Cryto! 5 February 2014
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00:42:12 <lysobit> http://mirror.nl.leaseweb.net/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/
00:46:02 <Ari> wot
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02:36:24 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: In re "Giant shared Harddrive" - freenet or a public tahoelafs?
02:36:28 <twitchyliquid64> whats wrong with them?
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03:04:02 <dorotea-> I HAVE A CLONE
03:04:08 <dorotea-> NO, WAIT
03:04:10 <dorotea-> I AM A CLONE
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03:19:51 <twitchyliquid64> lolwut
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03:44:18 <MK_FG> twitchyliquid64, tahoe-lafs has a lot of issues with untrusted clients and large scale
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03:54:19 <gesichtskirmes> morning
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05:57:30 <monod> morning
05:59:25 <gesichtskirmes> hey monod
05:59:38 <monod> hey there
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06:19:50 <monod> loggy, pointer?
06:19:50 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-05#T06-19-50
06:29:25 <monod> lol lysobit, that ubuntu mirror link :D
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06:39:38 <monod> is freenet open source? I'll read logs later, gotta go!
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06:48:31 <MK_FG> monod, It is
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08:25:49 <joepie91> right.
08:25:58 <joepie91> <joepie91>twitchyliquid64: I see; you need syntax highlighting though :P
08:27:55 <joepie91> also, twitchyliquid64, A. the shared HDD thing is a toy project, B. tahoe-lafs does not do quite the same thing (and is not sufficiently scalable at this point nor does it have accounting yet), and C. freenet is quite a bit different; it spreads arbitrary data to try and keep a copy of evrything intact, my idea doesn't and is just a directory overlay on whatever people are storing themselves
08:28:42 <joepie91> lol
08:28:44 <joepie91> .tw https://twitter.com/chronomex/status/430786898429112320
08:28:44 <botpie91> @joepie91 RST is an extra bonus packet! (@chronomex)
08:31:09 <Xeross> Easy to read, nice looking text. Difficult to create a template that manages to pull that off
08:32:18 <MK_FG> joepie91, Heh, you should really appreciate all the effort your ISP is putting into spoofing all tcp seq/ack numbers and injecting RST everywhere - sounds like a lot of extra work ;)
08:33:25 <joepie91> Xeross: ?
08:33:31 <joepie91> MK_FG: yeah, idk wtf is up with them
08:33:40 <joepie91> though I don't think they're technically RST packets
08:33:51 <Xeross> joepie91: I suck at typography basically
08:34:21 <joepie91> Xeross: everybody does, really; we're just varying degrees of good at pretending that we don't
08:34:22 <joepie91> ;)
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10:48:03 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ UP ] Service heartbeat on host monitoring.cryto.net reports that anonnews.org is now back up. It was down for 1 days, 2 hours, 12 minutes, 1 seconds.
10:48:04 <joepie91> whoo
10:54:47 <Xeross> joepie91: DDoS?
10:58:23 <joepie91> no
10:58:30 <joepie91> Xeross: somebody forgot to pay the bill
10:58:32 <joepie91> lol
11:03:38 <Xeross> joepie91: "somebody"?
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11:13:06 <joepie91> Xeross: yeah
11:13:12 <joepie91> it's a VM on somebody elses server
11:15:18 <Xeross> Ah ok
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13:00:22 <monod> hello people!
13:00:31 <monod> loggy, pointer
13:00:31 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-05#T13-00-31
13:00:33 <monod> thanks loggy
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13:03:19 <monod> <mk-fg> monod, It is (anti-highlighting cuz away)
13:03:20 <monod> oh ok thanks. So, it may be some good thing to try at home :)
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13:14:11 <monod> oh, you mean that AnonNews is running on a Virtual Machine on a server owned by someone else?
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13:17:07 <monod> I wonder what would happen if I install Freenet at university :D
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13:24:17 <monod> I'm on freenet!
13:31:19 <joepie91> it looks like today is going to be an odds and ends day...
13:31:26 <joepie91> <monod>oh, you mean that AnonNews is running on a Virtual Machine on a server owned by someone else?
13:31:29 <joepie91> yup
13:32:05 <monod> what does exactly mean that it is "running"? What is a website running while they're up? Uhm
13:32:10 <monod> joepie91, ^
13:35:01 <Xeross> monod: What do you mean?
13:36:28 <monod> I mean: I thought a website was made out of webpages stored on the HDD of a pc connected to the internet, thereby accessible from the internet. So, apart from the VM "running" the OS, that is staying 24/7 online, what else is "running" or being "ran"?
13:36:31 <monod> Xeross, ^
13:36:40 <monod> I don't know if I put it clearly.
13:37:12 <monod> because I still haven't looked into how websites work, yet...
13:37:17 <monod> never had one, that's why.
13:38:04 <monod> yet, when I realized any computer connected to the internet is a potential server for hosting a website, I can see the eventual birth of a website of mine closer :]
13:38:14 <monod> :-]
13:39:27 <joepie91> monod: a website isn't just pages
13:39:32 <joepie91> that's what it -seems- like
13:39:48 <joepie91> but for a forum, for example, those pages are generated as they are requested
13:39:59 <joepie91> 'page' is just a metaphor, they're not represented by actual files
13:40:09 <monod> understood.
13:40:17 <monod> it's the result of a query, like?
13:40:21 <joepie91> so that VM is running an entire webserver 'stack' (HTTP server, PHP, MySQL, etc.)
13:40:23 <monod> (that page)
13:40:26 <joepie91> yes
13:40:29 <joepie91> or well
13:40:31 <joepie91> multitple, usually
13:40:41 <monod> multiple queries?
13:40:53 <monod> and, so the thing that is being ran is a "webserver stack"
13:40:55 <joepie91> multiple database queries, that is
13:40:59 <monod> ok
13:41:03 <joepie91> well yes
13:41:10 <joepie91> I run lighttpd + PHP + MySQL for example
13:41:17 <monod> uh
13:41:24 <joepie91> lighttpd is the HTTP daemon, PHP does the dynamic stuff, MySQL is the database behind it
13:41:36 <joepie91> and it also runs memcached for cacheing stuff, but that kinda works like a databas
13:41:38 <joepie91> database *
13:41:59 <monod> I think you don't have enough time to introduce me into this, right? :D
13:42:20 <monod> anyway, I can now start looking for info about "webserver stack", e.g. ...
13:42:38 <joepie91> monod: "LAMP" should get you some more information about that
13:42:43 <joepie91> though that's usually with Apahac
13:42:45 <joepie91> Apache *
13:42:49 <joepie91> (that's what the A in LAMP stands for)
13:42:52 <monod> yess
13:43:04 <monod> Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP, maybe
13:43:19 <monod> I already heard it, a friend of mine told me about that much time ago
13:43:54 <monod> the "issue" is that here, at university, nearly noone talks about these things. Maybe because there are more "academic" things to worry/talk about instead
13:44:02 <monod> scientific topics maybe.
13:44:53 <monod> and less specific ones on.. how internet works. yet this will come sooner or later in a course, in the future, hopefully.
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13:50:55 <joepie91> monod: that's what the internet is for, no course required ;)
13:51:29 <monod> so it's just about getting back into the internet
13:52:02 <monod> only that I really don't feel like a can allow myself to do that right now
13:52:19 <monod> (for the amount of work required atm by my course)
13:53:44 <monod> not complaining about this, it's actually a good thing to have lots of things to do (and a "pre-drawn" path), it's just facts.
13:53:52 <monod> I'll see you later guys
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14:59:22 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add Verbose plugin', '02Merge pull request #2746 from Starli0n/masterAdd Verbose plugin' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/ccc9913252...b6768d589d)
15:07:29 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Updated ParentalControl Plugin- Indicated support for ST3- Added tag-based release channel- Added labels', '02Merge pull request #2754 from ilyakam/enhancement/ParentalControlUpdated ParentalControl Plugin' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/b6768d589d...b30fd9ccf0)
15:07:59 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Update d.jsonSyntax highlighting for Darwin programming language', '02Merge pull request #2755 from kgori/darwin_highlighterUpdate d.json' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/b30fd9ccf0...7fc763fc4f)
15:09:30 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 4 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Added Moka Theme info', '02Added Theme - Moka', '02Update m.json', '02Merge pull request #2757 from aldomann/masterAdded Theme - Moka' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/7fc763fc4f...60d3fac5df)
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15:35:09 <MK_FG> monod, I'd think running freenet at the uni might get you the same odd looks as with running any other p2p thing there ;)
15:35:27 <MK_FG> Not that I know what "running something at the university" really means
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16:28:22 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 4 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02added CheckTypos3', '02Changed checktypos 3 to be just a separate release', '02added a missing comma', '02Merge pull request #2736 from vaisaghvt/masteradded CheckTypos3' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/60d3fac5df...82eadbd566)
16:36:23 <Xeross> joepie91: did you ever find a decent Linux Twitter client?
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16:50:34 <joepie91> http://sprunge.us/fQTb?py
16:50:39 <joepie91> suddenly, CD-ROM archiving automation
16:50:41 <joepie91> Xeross: Hotot :P
16:52:04 <Xeross> joepie91: Have they finally implemented proper multi-account support?
17:02:35 <dorotea> hotot stopped working for me ages ago, but maybe they updated it again finally?
17:02:43 <dorotea> nope
17:02:47 <dorotea> 0985 still
17:03:15 <dorotea> (plus I like tweetdeck more, which runs on *browsers)
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17:06:22 <joepie91> Xeross: oh, idk
17:28:56 <joepie91> Xeross:
17:29:05 <joepie91> http://imgur.com/a/TqWVu
17:29:10 <joepie91> an excerpt of the stuff I'm archiving atm
17:29:52 * dorotea dances
17:29:57 <dorotea> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK463fcJebI
17:30:00 <dorotea> .title
17:30:01 <botpie91> dorotea: Live - They Stood Up For Love - YouTube
17:31:15 <dorotea> don't forget http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY9qS-qaako
17:31:17 <dorotea> .t
17:31:18 <botpie91> Wed, 05 Feb 2014 17:31:17 GMT
17:31:22 <dorotea> wat
17:31:23 <dorotea> .title
17:31:24 <botpie91> dorotea: Skrillex - First of the year [GOAT EDITION] - YouTube
17:31:54 <dorotea> dem riddems
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18:43:21 <Philosoraptor> Unnamed Op Press Release 02-xx-14 https://piratenpad.de/P3Pt6Sk2Iz
18:54:04 <dorotea> what's op, sounds like anonymous related which is not an allowed topic in this channel
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19:23:22 <Philosoraptor> Doesnt appear a single fuck was given anyway...
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19:24:56 <Philosoraptor> I meant no fucks were given in the form of participation on the pad
19:27:25 <Philosoraptor> a k/b is not necessary. I will not be here long enough for it to be of any consequence anyway.
19:28:27 <Philosoraptor> Enjoy your idling
19:28:38 * Philosoraptor tips Fedora and departs
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20:13:15 <monod> MK_FG, I guess you're right with the p2p observation.. And btw, "running at the university" means I've installed (gimmick-like) freenet on a computer :D the "gimmick" is to just install it in the temporary files folder
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20:13:43 <monod> to get 3100% HDD space (:D) and being able to install nearly anything, even games now that I think about it :D
20:14:00 <monod> loool, crysis @ univerisity, so fucking lame
20:14:02 <monod> would be.
20:20:51 * joepie91 sighs
20:21:05 <joepie91> dorotea : I really wonder why people are having such issues reading the rules
20:21:07 <monod> I'm getting out of sadness with increasingly bigger self-coscience and ... responsability?
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20:21:34 <joepie91> ...
20:21:43 <monod> lol
20:22:09 <dorotea> joepie91:) idk :/
20:22:09 <joepie91> monod: good :)
20:22:39 <monod> joepie91, yeah, even though I felt like I needed some support, but... my mind has changed in the meanwhile
20:22:55 <monod> like if it said to itself "hey, you're okay, keep staying okay!"
20:23:16 <monod> this kinda keeps me from falling into sadness :/
20:29:10 <joepie91> monod: fwiw, I like having you here :)
20:29:38 <Xeross> joepie91: They don't have issues with reading them, they have issues with giving a fuck about them
20:30:22 <joepie91> Xeross: the first issue is reading them
20:30:32 <joepie91> I can't even count the amount of times somebody asked me "where can I see the rules"
20:30:36 <joepie91> despite them being at the top of their screen
20:31:29 <monod> joepie91, yeah, it's always nice to hear that :)
20:33:36 <joepie91> :)
20:35:47 <monod> the only thing is that sometimes I can't enter conversations because of a lack of knowledge...
20:36:25 <monod> and the '...' are because this reminds me a thing in real life that makes me want to write '...', not because of what happens here. w/e
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21:02:04 <joepie91> monod; it's fine to just read and learn
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21:04:43 <monod> Oh, I see what you mean, I said "I can't _enter_ conversations"
21:04:55 <monod> like if I needed to write or reply
21:05:27 <monod> while I meant more like to get the topic. But maybe it's just a matter of time and a non-issue
21:05:36 <monod> which is typical for me, atm
21:05:39 <dorotea> I feel like if I come visit you monod I'mma learn you a bunch of shit
21:05:40 <monod> of* me
21:05:42 <dorotea> it'll be awesome
21:05:49 <monod> dorotea yeah :D
21:06:10 <monod> I think so, especially cleaning all the mess
21:06:15 <dorotea> :>
21:06:33 <monod> but I think it's because I'm deeply concerned about university in this moment...
21:06:39 <monod> I mean
21:07:10 <dorotea> It's cool, I don't graduate for another year anyway
21:07:57 <monod> I use to assign to "university" the main reason why I very much out of this other "world" atm. Do you mean you're getting late for the n-th time?
21:08:17 <monod> and yes, I think it's cool too..
21:08:37 <monod> on the other hand, university is important
21:10:55 <dorotea> yes! but I have fun at uni
21:11:19 <dorotea> I almost got a 4.0 grade point average last semester
21:11:31 <monod> what is that?
21:11:37 <monod> 4 out of?
21:11:44 <dorotea> 4
21:11:48 <monod> oh god :D:D
21:11:55 <monod> greets!
21:11:57 <dorotea> a 4.0 means all perfect marks
21:12:01 <monod> yes
21:12:02 <monod> ohhh
21:12:06 <dorotea> you can get higher than a 4, though
21:12:08 <monod> you make me eat my nails
21:12:12 <monod> oh lol
21:12:15 <monod> laude?
21:12:38 <dorotea> yeah, there are classes which allow up to a 5.0 called "advanced placement" (AP) courses
21:12:49 <dorotea> but that's for highschool, not college
21:12:50 <monod> :notbad:
21:13:19 <dorotea> and you take the class, then you must take a fancy test and do really well on it, and THEN you can have up to 5.0
21:13:24 <dorotea> but only for that class
21:13:39 <dorotea> usually you can only take 1 or 2 AP courses at once
21:13:58 <monod> (IN THE MEANWHILE, somewhere on an irc server/channel.... "<mu2l4k> what is this?
21:13:59 <monod> <jimi> an irc channel
21:13:59 <monod> <monod> EXACT ANSWER")
21:16:06 <monod> sorry for the off-topic, anyway I read
21:26:58 <monod> here's a thing
21:27:20 <monod> I've never ever succeeded in reading from start to finish my first (and only) programming book.
21:27:31 <monod> that I bought with my money when I decided to learn programming.
21:27:33 <monod> "my" money
21:28:04 <monod> while the other guy I told you about times and times ago did so.. with his book.. and maybe twice too
21:28:17 <monod> I know this is not a good term of comparison, but
21:29:23 <monod> no "but" required
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21:54:45 <monod> the other day I got an idea for a joke
21:54:48 <monod> one guys tells another
21:54:59 <monod> A: "trust me!"
21:55:04 <monod> and B thrusts him :D
21:55:17 <monod> not fully sure of the English translation
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22:11:45 <monod> gosh
22:11:55 <monod> hopefully tomorrow may be a good day
22:12:12 <monod> better go now, cya later
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22:17:44 <Xeross> monod is impressive in having monologs
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23:00:32 <dorotea> Xeross:) always
23:02:14 <dorotea> hmm
23:02:22 <dorotea> I notice firefox is much less shitty on a less shitty pc
23:02:29 <dorotea> excellent