Cryto! 21 November 2013

00:50:27 <DrWhat> .bitcoins
00:50:28 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
00:50:29 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $597.10, 1 BTC = €468.45
00:57:51 <cayce> haha
00:57:52 <cayce> yeah.
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01:16:46 <Riddler> hello
01:17:57 <cayce> primarily dicks
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02:26:26 * joepie91 puts multihate on watch
02:26:57 <cayce> right?
02:27:20 <joepie91> cayce: see yesterdays logs
02:27:28 <joepie91>
02:28:01 <joepie91> from a cursory reading, he is coming -dangerously- close to breaking at least one channel rule, and possibly a second
02:28:28 <joepie91> and judging from his Twitter account, this is absolutely not the right channel for whatever he's doing, and I suspect he hasn't read the channel topic
02:28:39 <joepie91> or really done any research into what this channel is for/about at all, for that matter
02:29:01 <cayce> like almost every other person who comes in here
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02:29:04 <cayce> what a fucking surprise
02:29:05 <cayce> lo
02:29:06 <joepie91> no, not really
02:29:24 <pzuraq> hai joepie91
02:29:27 <joepie91> hai pzuraq
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02:29:34 <Charles> nah hes just really keen on bringing down pedos that he forgot some rules
02:29:54 <joepie91> Charles: that is his problem, if he makes it mine then he will see the consequences of that
02:29:57 <cayce> ain't no forget, they're right there
02:30:02 <joepie91> ie. a kick from the channel if he can not follow the rules
02:30:12 <joepie91> the rules are there for a reason
02:30:19 <joepie91> there's only 3 of them, abiding by them isn't hard
02:30:22 <pzuraq> how's life?
02:30:49 <joepie91> tl;dr if he makes his problem my problem, then I will make my problem his problem
02:31:04 <joepie91> pzuraq: generally okay, but a bit bothered by the direction things are going in for the past few days
02:31:08 <Charles> joepie91, alright
02:32:41 <joepie91> and I'll gladly discuss the topic of his "pedo hunt" (and I strongly suspect it's going to be yet another misdirected one, but that aside), but not if it's going to cause problems for this channel
02:41:08 <probably> sigh
02:41:46 <probably> joepie91, ello.
02:41:48 <probably> how are you?
02:42:17 <joepie91> ohai
02:42:20 <joepie91> <joepie91>pzuraq: generally okay, but a bit bothered by the direction things are going in for the past few days
02:42:25 <joepie91> that, basically
02:42:34 <joepie91> though I did make some progress with my whois thing
02:42:52 <probably> ah kewl mate
02:43:51 <joepie91> probably;
02:45:13 <probably> hmm nice
02:45:33 <joepie91> it can parse a bunch of stuff now
02:45:41 <joepie91> including registrant info
02:45:42 <joepie91> but a lot of work left
02:46:32 <probably> ah nice.
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02:46:39 <probably> lol joepie91 I just found BlueCP, remember that?
02:46:40 <probably> lol
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02:47:31 <probably> joepie91, you use default PHP autoloader in cphp at all?
02:48:11 <probably> also, please tell me you have a newer cPHP....
02:48:17 <probably> if(mysql_connect($cphp_mysql_host, $cphp_mysql_user, $cphp_mysql_pass))
02:48:18 <probably>         {
02:50:27 <joepie91> <probably>joepie91, you use default PHP autoloader in cphp at all?
02:50:28 <joepie91> yes
02:50:36 <joepie91> re: mysql, you're almost certainly looking at a very old version
02:50:49 <probably> joepie91: Where could I locate the new version, then?
02:50:51 <joepie91> mysql_ has been deprecated in CPHP for god knows how long now
02:51:07 <joepie91>
02:51:16 <joepie91> or if you want UUID support
02:51:17 <joepie91>
02:51:24 <joepie91> but that's still a more experimental branch
02:51:55 <probably> Ever get any proper documentation on cphp yet? Or is it still, "out there" basically.
02:52:50 <joepie91> probably: technically the first stable version isn't released yet
02:52:53 <joepie91> and the docs are still lacking
02:53:02 <joepie91> the docs that exist are somewhat outdated, and definitely incomplete
02:53:11 <joepie91> but I'm working on first stable release, I just want to do more testing with UUIDs first
02:53:15 <joepie91> and need to document stuff still
02:54:47 <probably> hmm
02:55:01 <probably> because it would be nice to have documentation, so I could 'play around' with it :)
02:55:29 <joepie91> well, it's coming soon :P
02:55:40 <probably> any idea how soon?
02:57:52 <joepie91> when it's done (tm)
02:59:39 <probably> mmk
03:03:16 <joepie91> :P
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03:20:54 <probably> :)
03:23:05 <pzuraq> joepie91: I'm considering writing a book arguing that the future economy should be based off of the model presented by the open source community
03:23:17 <pzuraq> wat think?
03:24:02 <joepie91> I would say that there should be no economy at all, but do elaborate on your idea :P
03:25:23 <pzuraq> firstly I think the best way to try to model any potential economy is to base it on a real world example, if only because it proves that it works and given the right circumstances it can be emulated
03:25:51 <pzuraq> and I do think the open source community is an excellent model, in that it is much better than the current system
03:26:57 <pzuraq> it drives innovation, picks the best (or atleast rather good ideas), and manages to encourage cooperation between people and competition between ideas
03:27:10 <pzuraq> but I like to approach it from a different angle
03:27:21 <pzuraq> that is, what is the ideal world?
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03:28:17 <pzuraq> now, this is obviously not something that can be agreed upon, let alone exist, but I have a pretty broad vision that I think works for most people, possibly yourself included
03:28:38 <pzuraq> in the ideal world, everything would be completely decentralized.
03:29:19 <pzuraq> Every person would be capable of making their own food, purifying their own water, building their own machines, generating their own electricity, etc
03:29:34 <pzuraq> they wouldn't be forced to, they simply would be able to
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03:29:55 <pzuraq> what they do with that ability is up to them.
03:30:06 <pzuraq> Band together in communities, seek solitude
03:31:11 <pzuraq> an anarchistic world, as you once described to me, in which there is not an enforced absence of government, but an absence of enforced government.
03:32:01 <pzuraq> in order to facilitate this world in its ideal state, I hypothesize that three peak technologies would be required
03:34:02 <pzuraq> a personal infinite source of energy dubbed the Source, a communicator dubbed the Ansible, and a machine that given the proper specifications could produce anything dubbed the Replicator
03:34:51 <pzuraq> a key note about the Ansible is it must be able to connect to any other Ansible without infrastructure, direct connection
03:35:08 <pzuraq> now, these devices are purely theoretical ideals
03:35:28 <pzuraq> they may never be feasible given the realities of physics
03:35:54 <pzuraq> but, together they would allow for this society to prosper.
03:35:55 <Charles> I KNOW YOURE HIDING
03:36:18 <Charles> WHAT IS YR SOUND
03:36:28 <Charles> WILL WE EVER KNOW?
03:36:33 <joepie91> Charles
03:36:35 <joepie91> cut it out
03:37:04 <Charles> it will always be a mystery joepie91  :)
03:37:19 <joepie91> Charles: you are interrupting somebodies explanation for no good reason
03:37:20 <pzuraq> eplicator would be used to build things from plans downloaded via Ansible, and the Source would power them.
03:38:59 <pzuraq> in this environment, inherently post-scarcity, open source would thrive as a method for allocating resources (mostly people's time)
03:39:29 <pzuraq> people would only need to do what they wanted, and i would argue that many (though not all) would want to contribute
03:39:47 <Charles> pzuraq, what r u explaining? o_o
03:40:02 <joepie91> Charles, this is why we have public logs
03:40:04 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
03:40:04 <loggy>
03:40:22 <pzuraq> the rest of it is simply adding more constraints to our theoretical devices, and guesstimating when the new economic systom will come into place by outcompeting the older one
03:40:27 <pzuraq> which I believe it will
03:40:48 <joepie91> pzuraq: I can't help but feel like we're not far off this
03:40:57 <pzuraq> I think this will be somewhere in the next 50-200 years, depending on advances
03:41:01 <joepie91> with the whole 3d printer and open source model thing
03:41:05 <joepie91> especially combined with solar power and such
03:41:07 <pzuraq> we draw closer every day :)
03:41:11 <pzuraq> mmhmm
03:41:37 <Charles> oh 3D printer?
03:41:41 <Charles> wat.
03:41:54 <pzuraq> but I'd really like to delves into these ideas, formalize them, and research them as much as possible
03:41:59 <LoneWarrior> I would like to go to MARS!
03:42:08 <pzuraq> maybe a Malcolm Gladwell style book
03:42:39 * joepie91 is increasingly starting to run out of patience
03:43:23 <Charles> lol LoneWarrior
03:44:35 <LoneWarrior> if I reach there first ill make sure every one is call "Anon" and we have free internet
03:44:36 <cayce> I suppose I'll have to read this, half a sec
03:45:12 <joepie91> read
03:45:12 <joepie91> the
03:45:13 <joepie91> goddamn
03:45:14 <joepie91> channel
03:45:15 <joepie91> rules
03:45:24 <joepie91> I am getting very fucking tired of certain people here
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03:46:06 <joepie91> pzuraq is trying to explain something, and he should be able to do so without being interrupted by people who have zero regard for what this channel is for or about, or what other people are trying to discuss
03:46:14 * cayce scrolls up
03:46:20 <joepie91> when those interruptions then also directly break the channel rules
03:46:26 <joepie91> it gets even worse
03:47:15 <joepie91> all great that you want to join in this channel, but take a few days to get familiar with other people and the channel atmosphere first, and adapt, instead of bulldozering through other peoples conversations with zero regard for others
03:47:24 <joepie91> yes?
03:47:45 <LoneWarrior> _!_
03:47:47 <daemon> joepie91, try running #web for a day ;)
03:48:04 <Charles> no its *_|_
03:48:04 <Charles> not _!_
03:48:31 <joepie91> breaking a channel rule here means you are instantly eligible for a kick
03:48:42 <joepie91> continued breaking of the channel rules will result in a permanentt ban
03:48:44 <joepie91> permanent *
03:48:45 <Charles> sorry joepie91 i understand. im not talking about payback but what u did on my channel was also considered "interrupting" aye?
03:48:55 <pzuraq> daemon: What's web about? Webdev hypothetically?
03:48:59 <joepie91> Charles: yes, and it is up to you to decide how to deal with that
03:49:09 <joepie91> that is entirely unrelated to what is going on here
03:49:15 <Charles> i kicked u. and u came back. ._.
03:49:20 <Charles> anyway, nvm.
03:49:25 <Charles> pls continue
03:49:25 <joepie91> Charles: yes, I have autorejoin turned on like most people
03:49:26 <Charles> with the discussion
03:49:56 <daemon> pzuraq, and related topic
03:50:17 <cayce> pzuraq:) hit up la via campesina for the farming aspects, we've got that shit down already. re: communicator, we're getting dangerously close to that in smartphones atm, though of course it'd need to be less centralized (see how android OS has been centralized recently), etc
03:50:27 <cayce> pzuraq:) so, we're close. we've got building blocks/
03:50:57 <pzuraq> Anyways, I really just want to spread these ideas. I want to get the idea that open source, given the right circumstances, can be inherently better than capitalism.
03:51:44 <pzuraq> cayce: One key thing about the point of viability is that it requires that a relatively small group of people can both self-sustain AND keep up to pace with modern technology
03:51:45 <cayce> if you want to study alternatives, check out how cuba's handling decentralized organic agriculture
03:51:51 <cayce> they've got challenges, but it's getting better every day
03:52:18 <cayce> that would happen anyway
03:52:22 <pzuraq> this is because if people cannot provide their own advances in tech, they will seek it from those who can
03:52:27 <pzuraq> yes, absolutely
03:52:28 <cayce> volunteerism pushes things forward according to interest
03:52:40 <cayce> that's open source
03:52:50 <cayce> which is why there are loads of great software and a dearth of bad docs
03:52:54 <pzuraq> but it will be a while before 3d printers can print modern circuits
03:53:01 <cayce> aye
03:53:07 <pzuraq> maybe decades, maybe longer
03:53:33 <pzuraq> however, I think it will be a trend as soon os 3d printers hit the market to move more and more off the grid, so te speak
03:53:38 <cayce> well they're only a couple years old in-home, and we're already working on organic alternatives to plastic
03:53:53 <cayce> so like
03:53:55 <cayce> not so far off
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03:54:12 <pzuraq> decentralized food production will happen first
03:54:13 <cayce> but also, even if it's 50 years, that is still our lifetime
03:54:20 <pzuraq> once hydropincs make it easy
03:54:28 <pzuraq> hydroponics*
03:54:28 <cayce> don't need hydro
03:54:40 <cayce> small plot farming is extremely efficient
03:54:44 <cayce> no need to replace nature
03:55:00 <pzuraq> true, but I'm assuming that people will want to be lazy for 2 reasons
03:55:10 <cayce> might want to define lazy
03:55:30 <cayce> old school ag, like "fertile crescent" ag, was only 4-6 hours per day
03:55:39 <cayce> that is already half of what most people spend working now
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03:55:45 <cayce> and it was unoptimized
03:55:54 <pzuraq> one, they will likely be bought into the system still (jobs) to get the things they want but cannot provide themselves (new tech, unneeded conusmer fluff)
03:56:24 <pzuraq> thus a large portion of the day is spent working, so automation will be the tipping point
03:56:30 <cayce> I get those things now by barter. I trade work I am expert in for goods
03:56:56 <cayce> (cash is not useful to me, heh)
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03:57:08 <pzuraq> and I think more people will (and are) going to take that path as time goes on
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03:57:24 <pzuraq> but, being pessimistic, I think it will take much longer to convince the masses
03:57:45 <pzuraq> well, maybe not much longer
03:57:46 <cayce> go uh
03:57:50 <cayce> whats his name
03:57:57 <pzuraq> automated farms are coming up
03:58:04 <cayce> go talk to @leashless about it (yes, twitter handle)
03:58:16 <cayce> automated farms are not efficient though
03:58:23 <cayce> they are uniform, not efficient
03:58:28 <pzuraq> none of this is efficient
03:58:34 <pzuraq> that's the downside
03:58:41 <cayce> actually hand farming is pretty efficient
03:58:48 <cayce> a few acres?
03:58:56 <pzuraq> hand farming yes, but what I'm talking about
03:59:04 <pzuraq> for this to really happen, we need a breakthrough in energy
03:59:06 <cayce> yeah
03:59:23 <cayce> but if it's going to work, something must make up for the lack of.. call it economic efficiency
03:59:34 <cayce> social efficiency is an option :)
03:59:40 <cayce> cultural too
03:59:58 <pzuraq> I think in the future, when people don't have jobs and are self sufficient, there will be a lot of hand farming
04:00:01 <cayce> but, this is where the arts come from -- people able to work on things that do not contribute direct wealth
04:00:06 <pzuraq> but it's a tipping point
04:00:19 <pzuraq> we need to get enough people to buy out of the current system
04:00:35 <cayce> if the protests everywhere are any indication, we've got issues
04:00:35 <pzuraq> my thought is lets make the alternative an offer they can't refuse
04:00:38 <pzuraq> true
04:00:49 <cayce> dunno if its "boot out of capitalism" issues, but issues is a good place to start outreach
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04:01:26 <pzuraq> I tend to be content with theorizing
04:01:34 <pzuraq> which is something I'm not proud of
04:01:41 <cayce> hehe
04:01:57 <cayce> and I refuse to not immediately try to come up with a litmus test for theories
04:01:58 <cayce> :P
04:02:09 <pzuraq> lol
04:02:14 <pzuraq> what's the test for mine?
04:02:17 <joepie91> seems to play well together!
04:02:28 <cayce> questions like "what does success look like" are great places to start
04:02:35 <pzuraq> hmm
04:02:43 <pzuraq> short term, medium term, or long term?
04:02:44 <cayce> do not answer it
04:02:55 <cayce> keep the question until you have filled your ideas out :)
04:03:05 <cayce> and then, yes, all three. paint a picture
04:03:24 <cayce> because short/med/long is the transition to the system, in three parts
04:03:25 <cayce> :P
04:04:01 <pzuraq> people will probably not like my timeline
04:04:09 <pzuraq> the long term is measured in millenia
04:04:12 <cayce> then don't set one
04:04:16 <cayce> stick to "short medium long"
04:04:21 <cayce> and do not define what those words mean
04:04:40 <pzuraq> good point
04:04:43 <cayce> I frame everything as things that can be accomplished in my lifetime
04:04:47 <cayce> it's a good metric for me
04:05:03 <cayce> so, optimistically 70 more years
04:05:08 <cayce> probably closer to 60
04:05:19 <pzuraq> well, you read my description of the three devices no?
04:05:22 <cayce> yep
04:05:48 <cayce> all the tech will be done in <50 years, most of it's already here
04:05:57 <cayce> (tbh a push could get the tech in 10)
04:06:08 <cayce> but, migration and things is a whole other problem
04:06:12 <pzuraq> they are peak technologies. Understand that the replicator can make anything out of *anything*. We are talking breaking atoms apart and reassembling them.
04:06:30 <cayce> but it's like the article I saw asking about why blogs took so long to develop
04:06:43 <cayce> we had the tech for blogs as soon as mosaic worked
04:06:50 <cayce> and yet it took till 2001
04:07:00 <cayce> we didn't get blogger we got geocities
04:07:01 <cayce> why
04:07:10 <cayce> "because we didn't know what we were doing"
04:07:15 <pzuraq> true
04:07:35 <cayce> and that's a key observation
04:07:42 <cayce> just like with bitcoin, nothing in it is novel
04:07:49 <cayce> nothing at all
04:07:53 <pzuraq> but this is a different level of technology. That's why i'm considering leaving it out all together, perhaps as a separate essay.
04:07:57 <cayce> and yet, it's a "wholly new groundbreaking blah blah blah"
04:08:12 <cayce> made of old tech
04:08:22 <cayce> we've had it all for years
04:08:25 <cayce> but bitcoin happens now
04:08:34 <cayce> (well, 4 years ago, whatever)
04:08:44 <cayce> (but why not 4 years before that? heh)
04:08:51 <pzuraq> I agree, but these are very socially based constructs
04:09:02 <cayce> yes, this is my focus
04:09:03 <cayce> culture
04:09:04 <cayce> :P
04:09:08 <pzuraq> the power of the replicator is not something in the near future
04:09:16 <pzuraq> it may never exist at all
04:09:33 <cayce> if someone decides it will exist, it will happen in our lifetime
04:09:34 <cayce> end of story
04:09:41 <cayce> will you be that person?
04:09:51 <pzuraq> haha, I love your optimism
04:09:54 <cayce> or will you contribute by inspiring them?
04:10:00 <pzuraq> it's refreshing :)
04:10:08 <cayce> you literally cannot stop my optimism, haha. many have tried, all have failed :D
04:10:42 <cayce> It's why I take some of the things I learn and write them down as essays
04:10:51 <pzuraq> I will try to inspire, that is my goal.
04:10:57 <pzuraq> I need to start blogging.
04:11:06 <cayce> learn about the nature of reality and people, not like calculus or theories of globalization or something
04:11:17 <cayce> though I may have to write a theory of globalization late next year
04:11:24 <cayce> lol capstone
04:11:50 <pzuraq> eh, I tend to approach things from the other direction first, the theoretical
04:11:58 <pzuraq> then I add constraints
04:12:04 <cayce> we do that too
04:12:08 <pzuraq> I call it jawbreaker construction
04:12:09 <cayce> that's what my major it
04:12:12 <cayce> is *
04:12:27 <cayce> learn every single theoretical framework
04:12:34 <cayce> and the debugging information
04:12:47 <cayce> and apply it in novel ways, or in new situations
04:12:53 <cayce> that's the frame of my major
04:12:54 <cayce> :P
04:13:00 <pzuraq> that's good
04:13:12 <pzuraq> you study poli-sci?
04:13:45 <cayce> haha no
04:13:57 <cayce> though I was one class short of a degree in it
04:14:03 <cayce> :P
04:14:20 <pzuraq> hmm, sociology?
04:14:34 <cayce> nope, but I've studied that too
04:14:43 <cayce> anthropology, psychology, what else
04:14:56 <cayce> calculus, computer science
04:15:15 <pzuraq> you like college
04:15:39 <cayce> and my cold war history course is being taught by a woman who debriefed soviet nuclear scientists after the collapse of the ussr
04:15:45 <cayce> I like learning
04:15:47 <cayce> :)
04:16:03 <pzuraq> I can see
04:16:09 <cayce> People called me a know it all when I was small
04:16:10 <Charles> learning is fun until it has no use
04:16:14 <cayce> so I figured I'd just embrace it
04:16:25 <Charles> :/ knowitall?
04:16:26 <pzuraq> Charles: There are few things that have less use
04:16:37 <cayce> I know they meant it as an insult, but I have changed this power structure
04:16:38 * Charles is not convinced xD
04:16:50 <cayce> then you are well and truly worthless
04:16:56 <pzuraq> eh
04:17:04 <cayce> not you, pzuraq
04:17:06 <cayce> :P
04:17:06 <pzuraq> I wouldn't be so quick to judge worth
04:17:14 <LoneWarrior> you folks takeing your meds
04:17:20 <Charles> hey hey cayce
04:17:26 <Charles> dont think too much of urself
04:17:26 <cayce> Charles:) satan
04:17:27 <Charles> :P
04:17:37 <cayce> I don't
04:17:42 <cayce> I'm nobody
04:17:49 <Charles> okay
04:17:52 <pzuraq> LoneWarrior: They keep the voices quiet ;)
04:18:09 * Charles finds this label of cayce acceptable
04:18:25 <cayce> what a troll
04:18:35 <cayce> you can pass on to other waters
04:18:57 * Charles is still listening to the fox
04:19:07 <Charles> what is ur soundd
04:19:39 <pzuraq> the fox?
04:19:55 <LoneWarrior> dey jus discoverd a med...dey call it "get out of ur dreams" & "Shut the F* up" pls take them
04:20:14 * joepie91 finger hovers over a shiny button
04:20:27 <Charles> what does the fox say
04:20:58 <pzuraq> daemon: Did you mean #web on freenode?
04:21:05 <Charles> it was a viral vid and still is
04:21:26 <Charles> by some norwegian comedians
04:23:22 <joepie91> LoneWarrior: I strongly suggest you start behaving; otherwise you may find yourself removed from this channel
04:25:28 <LoneWarrior> I apologies
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04:40:31 <Charles> .bitcoin
04:40:32 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $602.99, 1 BTC = €450.00
04:42:15 <pzuraq> :(
04:42:20 <pzuraq> nooooo stay loooooow
04:42:47 <Charles> haha
04:42:56 <Charles> it dropped to 400+
04:43:01 <Charles> but i want 300
04:43:11 <Charles> :(
04:43:36 <pzuraq> you and I both Charles
04:43:39 <pzuraq> you and I both
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04:57:38 <joepie91>
04:57:42 <joepie91> well that only cost me a few years of my life
04:57:43 <joepie91> lol
04:58:42 <cayce> heh
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05:31:32 <joepie91> interesting article:
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05:38:47 <Charles> ...
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06:19:32 <joepie91> .startgh
06:19:33 <botpie91> Now watching GitHub for users joepie91, iceTwy, FichteFoll, cam1337, codetalkdev, shiny.
06:21:03 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 3 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Also allow for NIC handles in eNom/GoDaddy-style WHOIS data', '02Fix regex labeling, and allow eNom/GoDaddy-style Billing Contact entries for .museum support', '02Rough fix for .museum e-mail address detection' (
06:33:10 <joepie91> so....
06:33:14 <joepie91> Winamp is shutting down
06:33:15 <joepie91> :|
06:33:40 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Nameserver regex fix' (
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06:36:08 <Charles> .bitcoin
06:36:09 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $624.47, 1 BTC = €484.96
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06:53:20 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Data normalization' (
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06:56:17 <Charles> lysobit,
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08:19:37 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Add .dk testcase', '02Support for .pw domains' (
08:36:50 <MK_FG> Now I also fixed touchpad connector in laptop and everything works there \o/
08:37:00 <MK_FG> Imma mastar fixer
08:37:34 <joepie91> :D
08:37:53 <MK_FG> Now I have problem of choice
08:38:04 <MK_FG> ...even harder problem, that is
08:38:36 <MK_FG> To have two dev machines or maybe leave laptop as just simplier internets client...
08:38:53 <MK_FG> And not bother syncing repos, dev envs and such there
08:39:45 <MK_FG> Or leave desktop just for stupid games
08:40:41 <MK_FG> Aaargh, it's just unbearable *smashes laptop 'till its broken*
08:41:44 <Charles> yay games :D
08:42:41 <MK_FG> yay yay
08:42:57 <Charles> yay :D
08:43:12 <MK_FG> They seem to be less addictive than code or internets though
08:43:28 <Charles> keep the games :)
08:43:44 <MK_FG> I can tear myself away from game, but when I work on something, it's always "one more thing and I'm done"
08:46:04 <MK_FG> Yeah, screw it, will add some admin work and try to setup some cool sync for dev stuff between the two
08:46:31 <MK_FG> Should be interesting to explore git-annex and related things for that maybe
08:48:18 <Charles> :)
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09:01:26 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Add support for InterNetworX domains' (
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10:01:32 <Charles> .bitcoin
10:01:33 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $633.42, 1 BTC = €498.00
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11:28:44 <Charles> I wonder who owns ""
11:28:49 <Charles> :/
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11:57:00 <iceTwy> not sure if troll
11:57:02 <iceTwy> or bad joke
11:57:05 <iceTwy> or actually serious
11:57:06 <iceTwy>
11:57:12 <iceTwy> .title
11:57:13 <botpie91> iceTwy: Free Ross Ulbricht | The Official Defense Site of the Ulbricht Family
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12:16:22 <iceTwy> it's that time of the day again:
12:16:25 <iceTwy> NP: Epiphany by Intervals - from In Time (2012)
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13:42:33 <Charles> .bitcoin
13:42:34 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $676.10, 1 BTC = €505.00
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15:17:25 <cayce> "Hmm, what's in the box?" "Socialism."
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15:48:59 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 3 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10feature/vagrant: '02Bootstrap fixes, and finally gotten SleekXMPP new_muc installed correctly', '02Create and populate database in bootstrap script', '02Add Envoy setup to bootstrapping script' (
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16:22:52 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
16:22:53 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $692.00, 1 BTC = €532.86
16:22:58 <DrWhat> almost there
16:23:43 <DrWhat> Im mite cash out at 700
16:23:51 <DrWhat> Or post a offer for 800
16:24:02 <DrWhat> and wait for that
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16:50:16 <multihate> hi
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17:00:24 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
17:00:25 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $692.00, 1 BTC = €550.00
17:00:58 <DrWhat> mtgox low is 702
17:01:06 <DrWhat> igh is 770
17:04:14 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
17:04:15 <botpie91> ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded (file "/usr/lib/python2.6/json/", line 338, in raw_decode)
17:04:19 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
17:04:20 <botpie91> ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded (file "/usr/lib/python2.6/json/", line 338, in raw_decode)
17:04:23 <DrWhat> joepie91
17:04:30 <DrWhat> its borken
17:04:39 <DrWhat> its borken
17:04:40 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
17:04:41 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $700.00, 1 BTC = €545.00
17:04:44 <DrWhat> YEAH
17:04:47 <DrWhat> 700
17:04:50 <DrWhat> EPIC
17:04:54 <DrWhat> WOOP WOOP
17:11:46 <joepie91> no it's not
17:11:47 <joepie91> :D
17:14:26 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
17:14:27 <botpie91> KeyError: 'EUR' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/", line 19, in getrate)
17:14:31 <DrWhat> :/
17:14:41 <DrWhat> ^
17:14:46 <DrWhat> ----------------------------^
17:14:52 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
17:14:53 <botpie91> KeyError: 'EUR' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/", line 19, in getrate)
17:15:57 <probably> .bitcoin
17:15:58 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $700.00, 1 BTC = €538.00
17:16:03 <probably> lel
17:16:05 <probably> its broken
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17:37:51 <DrWhat> hmmm
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17:38:01 <DrWhat> How can USD uncress and the euro decress
17:38:08 <DrWhat> How can USD incress and the euro decress
17:38:18 <DrWhat> the system is broken
17:41:41 <joepie91> what?
17:46:00 <tintin> tides go in, tides go out...
17:50:26 <vld> .bitcoin
17:50:27 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $694.23, 1 BTC = €538.75
17:50:31 <vld> lol nub bot
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18:15:24 <Riddler> hello
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18:53:51 <iceTwy> heh
18:54:01 <iceTwy> good guy GitHub
18:54:02 <iceTwy> To the strong credit of GitHub, the site said it uses the bcrypt algorithm to cryptographically hash passwords.
18:54:08 <iceTwy>
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19:11:06 <lysobit> My response to that is
19:13:31 <iceTwy> eh
19:14:17 <lysobit> See the bottom of
19:14:48 <lysobit> With public/private key authentication, that article wouldn't have to exist
19:19:24 <lysobit> Also
19:19:25 <lysobit> [13:01] <iceTwy> [11:57:00] not sure if troll
19:19:25 <lysobit> [13:01] <iceTwy> [11:57:02] or bad joke
19:19:25 <lysobit> [13:01] <iceTwy> [11:57:05] or actually serious
19:19:25 <lysobit> [13:01] <iceTwy> [11:57:06]
19:20:27 <lysobit> It's not a troll. Some people support the drug market for philosophical and moral reasons, the same way people passionately support piracy/The Pirate Bay. Not all of them are doing it with no moral thought.
19:21:51 <lysobit> But that website doesn't seem to have any philosophical motivations, seems like a website setup by friends and family wanting to give him a fair trial.
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19:22:29 <lysobit> "Our goal is to provide Ross with what every American citizen is promised: a fair trial. In the USA we are presumed innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt. We firmly believe in Ross’ innocence and are working hard with the best legal team to prove it."
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19:46:47 <iceTwy> lysobit: nonono
19:46:51 <iceTwy> I'm not talking about the trial
19:46:54 <iceTwy> or supporting Ross
19:47:14 <connor> .bitcoin
19:47:14 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $696.14, 1 BTC = €525.20
19:47:20 <connor> woah
19:47:24 <iceTwy> I'm just saying that the website itself is a big joke lol
19:47:35 <iceTwy> 1. it does not give a proper presentation of Ross
19:47:59 <iceTwy> it feels so much like one of these "oh yeah he's a tender person who loves his family" kinda descriptions
19:48:13 <iceTwy> that makes him look like a suspicious innocent guy
19:48:29 <iceTwy> 2. no BTC address for BTC donations? come on man
19:50:32 <iceTwy> 3. horrible design
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20:50:51 <iceTwy> hmm
20:50:55 <iceTwy> this is interesting
20:51:14 <iceTwy> I'm scripting my little AUR-API based Python script
20:52:27 <iceTwy> here's what I've got so far;
20:53:06 <iceTwy> however aur_api_result is not empty even with a wrong packagen ame
20:53:07 <iceTwy> name*
20:53:28 <iceTwy> i.e. a package that doesn't exist. if that happens, aur_api_result should be an empty dict i.e. []
20:53:40 <iceTwy> erm, results*
20:55:01 <iceTwy> ah
20:55:06 <iceTwy> obviously, here's what I get:  No request type/data specified.
20:58:43 <iceTwy> bleh, fixed it
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22:26:11 <iceTwy> yay
22:34:20 <complex> so it looks like bitcoin will be taxed from what i see
22:35:41 <iceTwy>
22:35:44 <iceTwy> complex: who cares, LTC won't be
22:36:19 <complex> yeah, thats what i was thinkig
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23:01:51 <pzuraq> .bitcoin
23:01:52 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $723.50, 1 BTC = €557.00
23:01:57 <pzuraq> fsck
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23:18:31 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
23:18:32 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $724.99, 1 BTC = €565.00
23:30:09 <pzuraq> goddamn man I wish I had bought
23:30:16 <pzuraq> I almost bought at $100
23:30:19 <pzuraq> fsck
23:30:25 <pzuraq> not making that mistake again
23:47:11 <lysobit> yeah, that's what they all say
23:47:23 <lysobit> next year you'll be saying "I almost bought at $700"