Cryto! 23 May 2013

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02:24:23 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) you said there was video editing software for linux that wasn't half bad, what was it?
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12:25:25 <joepie91> lady-3jane: there's KDenLive (the bulky oldfag)
12:25:26 <joepie91> and OpenShot (the cool new kid that does things better than you'd expect)
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15:03:45 <zxcvbnm> morning
15:03:45 <zxcvbnm> folks
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15:09:56 <lady-3jane> oooh, unstablenet
15:10:04 * lady-3jane pimpslaps $ISP
15:10:13 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) thanks :)
15:11:33 <lady-3jane> joepie91:)  it's a nondestructive editor?
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16:12:50 <lady-3jane> NP: [Soundgarden - Burden In My Hand] [A-Sides] [919kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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17:48:07 <iceTwy> hohohoho
17:48:09 <iceTwy> hqi
17:48:11 <iceTwy> hai*
17:50:33 <lady-3jane> yes hello
17:52:35 <iceTwy> ohqi
17:52:42 <iceTwy> damn you, qwerty layout
17:52:49 <lady-3jane> :P
17:52:57 * lady-3jane watches obama speech
17:53:07 <iceTwy> too used to azerty :p
17:53:09 <iceTwy> oh
17:53:11 <iceTwy> about NSA?
17:53:35 <lady-3jane> counterterrorism
17:53:45 <lady-3jane> mebbe drones and things as well
17:53:51 <iceTwy> drones...
17:53:51 <lady-3jane> it starts in a few moments
17:53:56 <iceTwy> I hate those so much.
17:53:56 <lady-3jane>
17:54:00 <lady-3jane> I do not
17:54:08 <lady-3jane> they're like any other dual-use technology
17:54:18 <lady-3jane> can be used for useful awesome things, can be used for terrible things
17:54:23 <lady-3jane> it's all in what we do with them
17:54:31 <iceTwy> so be it
17:54:47 <iceTwy> but do you really think that they're put to good and overwatched use
17:54:52 <lady-3jane> and if you'd rather not use them for terrible things, we can make laws to ban those uses :P
17:54:52 <iceTwy> if they're used by counterterrorism agencies
17:55:00 <iceTwy> well yeah
17:55:12 <iceTwy> but drones were specifically developed for gathering intel
17:55:13 <lady-3jane> perhaps not a perfect solution, but better than doing nothing
17:55:15 <iceTwy> army intel
17:55:26 <lady-3jane> the tech is already here, so we can't run away from it
17:55:29 <iceTwy> true
17:55:55 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>joepie91:)  it's a nondestructive editor?
17:55:58 <iceTwy> but then a law banning surveillance usages of drones would never, ever pass
17:56:03 <joepie91> as far as I am aware, openshot asks you whether to operate on the originals
17:56:04 <joepie91> or to make a copy
17:56:10 <joepie91> as in, working copy
17:56:13 <lady-3jane> so it's destructive
17:56:16 <iceTwy> hai joepie91
17:56:22 <joepie91> depends on which you pick
17:56:22 <joepie91> :p
17:56:24 <joepie91> hai iceTwy
17:56:26 <lady-3jane> nondestructive would never touch originals
17:56:26 <lady-3jane> no
17:56:31 <lady-3jane> that's not nondestructive
17:56:44 <lady-3jane> copying originals is still operating on originals
17:56:53 <iceTwy> aaah.
17:56:53 <joepie91> eh?
17:56:57 <iceTwy> AZERTY layout.
17:56:57 <iceTwy> <3
17:56:59 <lady-3jane> let me see
17:57:08 <joepie91> iceTwy: ...what
17:57:28 <iceTwy> well my keyboard switched to QWERTY when I plugged it in.
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17:57:36 <iceTwy> so not used to QWERTY.
17:57:43 <joepie91> still, <3 AZERTY?
17:57:52 <iceTwy> no
17:57:52 <iceTwy> obv
17:57:55 <iceTwy> that was a reaction
17:58:12 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
17:58:12 <loggy>
17:58:15 <joepie91> hm.
17:58:17 <iceTwy> I prefer using AZERTY because I'm used to it
17:58:21 <lady-3jane> so, in a true nondestructive editor, source files are never touched. ever. You don't have to make copies, because they are read only. You edit them in the editor, and those edits are stored as diffs (a really fancy config file, usually) versus the originals. You save that config file as you work, and eventually you export. exporting reads the originals, does the edits you specified, and saves that output. never ever touches originals.
17:58:23 <joepie91> odd.
17:58:25 <joepie91> iceTwy: aha
17:58:49 <joepie91> lady-3jane: the editor asks you WHETHER to operate on copies
17:58:54 <joepie91> it doesn't tell you to make copies yourself
17:58:59 <lady-3jane> but that's my point
17:59:04 <joepie91> just gives you the choice between two modes of operation
17:59:09 <joepie91> because speed tradeoff
17:59:09 <lady-3jane> if you're making copies, it's not nondestructive
17:59:14 <iceTwy> brobama's coming in lady-3jane
17:59:20 <joepie91> the practical difference is 0
17:59:21 <lady-3jane> iceTwy:) thanks for warning
17:59:25 <iceTwy> I have no sound. ffs.
17:59:38 <iceTwy> brb rebooting pc
17:59:47 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) no, because you shouldn't have to make copies
18:00:09 <lady-3jane> practical difference is zero when file sizes are a few megs or hundreds of megs... what happens when you have tens of tb's
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18:00:43 <lady-3jane> I've got hundreds of gigs of video from when I did video at school. if I had to make copies of all of it and had to edit them in real time?
18:00:45 <lady-3jane> that would not work
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18:01:17 <joepie91> uh
18:01:26 <joepie91> I very strongly doubt that it retains the copies for any longer than necessary
18:01:42 <joepie91> so unless you're working on hundreds of gigs of video _at the same time_...
18:01:44 <lady-3jane> but you still have to double the video size
18:01:46 <lady-3jane> yes
18:02:02 <lady-3jane> one of my sources is ~120gb
18:02:12 <lady-3jane> shot an hour long play
18:02:39 <lady-3jane> and that's very nice because the data I have is mts and thus already h264 compressed
18:02:49 <lady-3jane> would be much larger if I had real sources
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18:04:52 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: link to stream?
18:05:08 <iceTwy> ffs. still no sound
18:05:13 <iceTwy> since the most recent alsa update
18:05:18 <lady-3jane>
18:15:32 <MK_FG> iceTwy, Late kernel update seem to have generated more-than-usual "fuck, no sound" lines ;)
18:16:18 <MK_FG> (I'd assume 3.9, but maybe it's some ubuntu update)
18:17:01 <iceTwy> Hmm.
18:17:03 <iceTwy> Probably.
18:17:08 <iceTwy> ah btw MK_FG
18:17:14 <iceTwy> I'm shredding my old HDD like a boss.
18:17:29 <iceTwy> 10 passes with an 11th filling it with zeroes
18:17:46 <iceTwy> !afk
18:18:35 <MK_FG> You're hardcore paranoic then
18:19:15 <MK_FG> I'd do no more than a 2-3 passes, even one is irrestorable at the local services iirc
18:25:04 <lady-3jane> dod short is 3
18:25:16 <lady-3jane> long is 7
18:26:26 <MK_FG> I wouldn't be surprised if they had all hdds rigged with explosives just for secure deletion
18:26:33 <MK_FG> They are cranks!
18:31:54 <joepie91> pulseaudio!
18:32:07 <joepie91> :P
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18:35:46 <lady-3jane> I just realized that vp9, with how small and high quality it will be, will be fantastic for long-term surveillance footage storage
18:36:48 <lady-3jane> so google will be able to take even higher quality streetview footage, with the same space footprint
18:38:02 <HiveResearch> they're treating the drone talk like obama giving the public the sex talk
18:38:26 <lady-3jane> it is, though
18:38:38 <lady-3jane> hi. I'm potus. we use drones.
18:38:51 <lady-3jane> (oooooooh, he said droooooooones I'M TELLING DAD)
18:39:39 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>so google will be able to take even higher quality streetview footage, with the same space footprint
18:39:42 <joepie91> I'm kinda okay with that
18:39:48 <joepie91> I'm having issues reading signs quite frequently
18:40:30 <lady-3jane> yeah, I'm not overly bothered by it
18:40:39 <joepie91> I'd also love to have a finer granularity
18:40:39 <lady-3jane> people can see how pretty my jade trees are
18:40:44 <joepie91> in terms of movement
18:41:03 <joepie91> also quite often have a situation where both the left and the right side of the point I want to see, don't quite cut it
18:41:12 <lady-3jane> mm
18:41:30 <lady-3jane> hmm I should see if my jade trees are on my street view
18:41:53 * joepie91 uses google maps as research tool primarily
18:42:43 <lady-3jane> haha woot
18:42:49 <lady-3jane> you can totally tell where my house is
18:43:34 <lady-3jane> yay
18:43:42 <lady-3jane> but my bag of dirt is out there in the photo
18:43:44 <lady-3jane> some asshat stole it
18:43:51 <lady-3jane> Who steals bags of dirt?
18:43:56 <lady-3jane> seriously, it's 3$ at ace
18:48:48 <iceTwy> noms
18:48:50 <iceTwy> chocolate
18:49:09 <HiveResearch> we need to make people maps
18:49:20 <HiveResearch> and dump google
18:49:23 <iceTwy> HiveResearch: OpenStreetMaps
18:49:38 <HiveResearch> i'm talking about user submitted
18:49:43 <iceTwy> oh
18:50:04 <iceTwy> that'd be interesting but how'd you map the whole world then
18:50:22 <iceTwy> considering most users will struggle with mapping the areas they know
18:51:06 <HiveResearch> also the idea of only the rich gamblers having access to space tech makes we want to start a water balloon invasion
18:51:24 <iceTwy> rofl
18:51:58 <iceTwy> HiveResearch:
18:52:01 <iceTwy> is that your Twitter?
18:52:22 <HiveResearch> ya
18:52:29 <HiveResearch> one ocf
18:52:31 <HiveResearch> *of
18:52:52 <iceTwy> I'd bet $10 that you've subscribed to Injustice Facts.
18:53:34 <IR601> make it intresting £1`0
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18:56:17 <iceTwy> £10..
18:56:45 <iceTwy> can't wait to know if my 1k earplugs have been sent yet.
18:56:50 <iceTwy> bought them off eBay..
18:57:12 <iceTwy> erm
18:57:18 <iceTwy> advice to people using shred
18:57:57 <iceTwy> you'd better prepare enough food to stay in front of your screen for hours
19:01:33 <lady-3jane> lol
19:09:02 <MK_FG> Hm, about googlemaps, have you seen
19:09:10 <MK_FG> Awesome game idea ;)
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19:09:16 <zxcvbnm> anybody ever used vanilla forums? we're thinking about bringing them into our environment instead of vbulletin
19:09:31 <MK_FG> (or an entry test for some spooks)
19:09:32 <zxcvbnm> I haven't personally reviewed any code or anything, just curious if anyone has any first impressions
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19:11:50 <MK_FG> iceTwy, You're not supposed to look at it!
19:12:14 <iceTwy> Hehe.
19:12:15 <iceTwy> I can.
19:12:27 <MK_FG> No! Don't do it!!!
19:12:29 <iceTwy> Press a simple button on my screen.
19:12:33 <iceTwy> Switches to my other PC
19:12:35 <MK_FG> I tried staring against monitor
19:12:40 <MK_FG> It always wins!!!
19:12:42 <iceTwy> lmao
19:12:49 <MK_FG> There is no hope whatsoever
19:12:53 <iceTwy> Pass 1/11 at 82%...
19:13:01 <iceTwy> so 1 pass takes approx 2h
19:13:05 <iceTwy> 22h? wtf
19:14:40 <lady-3jane> zxcvbnm:) yeah, joepie91 runs vanilla right now, and iirc that's what the much-maligned LEB forums run
19:15:36 <lady-3jane> oh he took them down, ha
19:17:07 <zxcvbnm> oh excellent hopefully I can get some 1st hand account
19:17:26 <MK_FG> *1st hand rant
19:17:34 <zxcvbnm> ha
19:18:18 <zxcvbnm> I'll take that too :P
19:24:50 <joepie91> lady-3jane: there's a reason they're down ;)
19:25:09 <joepie91> loggy, pointer
19:25:09 <loggy>
19:25:24 <joepie91> well
19:25:26 <joepie91> zxcvbnm
19:25:27 <joepie91> basically
19:25:38 <joepie91> while Vanilla Forums has a good security response from what I've seen
19:25:42 <joepie91> I'd recommend waiting it out for a bit
19:25:48 <joepie91> there's... been quite a few holes recently
19:25:56 <lady-3jane> oh?
19:26:00 <zxcvbnm> I'm looking at the object injection attack
19:26:02 <joepie91> as in, "what the fuck, lowendtalk pwnt again? this is the 5th time"
19:26:10 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: which?
19:26:16 <zxcvbnm>
19:26:24 <lady-3jane> they always had really good security previous, owing to it not really doing much by default
19:26:43 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: ah yes
19:26:48 <joepie91> that was kind of a remote code execution attack
19:26:49 <joepie91> lol
19:26:53 <zxcvbnm>
19:26:55 <zxcvbnm> also
19:27:12 <lady-3jane> did they add some new feature that was vulnerable as shit?
19:27:26 <joepie91> lady-3jane: turns out there'd been a few vulns in the core
19:27:29 <joepie91> that had gone by unnoticed
19:27:36 <joepie91> as far as I know
19:27:39 <lady-3jane> so are they doing a full audit?
19:27:42 <joepie91> no idea
19:27:49 <lady-3jane> cause that's the best response
19:27:49 <joepie91> but honestly, at this point
19:27:52 <joepie91> with all the lowendtalk pwns
19:28:04 <joepie91> I'd imagine that that audit has basically already been performed
19:28:04 <joepie91> lol
19:28:10 <lady-3jane> "oh shit, sorry guys. wait a few weeks, we're not adding any new code until all code has been audited"
19:28:13 <lady-3jane> I love that response
19:28:32 <joepie91> :P
19:28:46 <lady-3jane> and especially if they take all outside help to do it
19:28:53 <lady-3jane> cause some people will give a helping hand
19:28:59 <joepie91> lady-3jane, did you have XMPP?
19:29:05 <lady-3jane> did I?
19:29:09 <joepie91> and, that's already what happened :P
19:29:12 <joepie91> well
19:29:16 <joepie91> I have a feeling I've asked it before
19:29:16 <joepie91> :;
19:29:18 <joepie91> :P *
19:29:29 <zxcvbnm> So they're doing a full external code audit currently, is this what I'm understanding ?
19:29:35 <lady-3jane> I'm in your prosody room already
19:29:58 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) and I asked where are you, my love, to no avail
19:29:58 <lady-3jane> :P
19:30:18 <joepie91> lolwat
19:30:24 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: you're understanding it wrong
19:30:27 <joepie91> it is uncertain whether they are
19:30:31 <zxcvbnm> ah
19:30:37 <joepie91> we were simply stating that it would be the recommended course of action for them
19:30:37 <joepie91> :P
19:30:44 <zxcvbnm> copy that delta fox
19:30:57 <joepie91> lady-3jane, add
19:30:58 <joepie91> :P
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19:31:34 <iceTwy> how would
19:31:41 <lady-3jane> ahh, I made one on cause they had directions on the page for pidgin and were on HN yesterday
19:31:44 <iceTwy> a SQLi exploit
19:31:46 <iceTwy> go unnoticed
19:31:56 <joepie91> dukgo... what was dukgo again?
19:32:01 <lady-3jane> duck duck go
19:32:05 <joepie91> oh really?
19:32:07 <lady-3jane> they provide xmpp
19:32:08 <lady-3jane> yes
19:32:09 <joepie91> didn't know that
19:32:11 <zxcvbnm> iceTwy: it appears this is the correction for that aforementioned SQLi
19:32:13 <zxcvbnm>
19:32:23 <lady-3jane> it was on HN yesterday and they had a screenshot walkthrough for pidgin, so I made one
19:32:24 <lady-3jane> :P
19:32:27 <joepie91> iceTwy: there has been an unauthenticated admin password reset SQLi in ZPanels 'Forgot Password' page for years
19:32:28 <joepie91> so, yeah
19:32:33 <joepie91> without being reported on, ofc
19:32:37 <iceTwy> wow
19:32:44 * zxcvbnm runs and hides from the word zpanel
19:32:46 <joepie91> haha
19:32:54 <joepie91> yeah, that kind of turned into a "zpanel dead" situation
19:33:10 * zxcvbnm got ~600 link karma on reddit thanks to zpanel. :P
19:33:23 <joepie91> hahaha
19:33:34 <zxcvbnm> my first successful reddit link. w0000t
19:33:56 <lady-3jane> nice!
19:34:03 <lady-3jane> I posted one rant and got like 150 out of it
19:34:06 <lady-3jane> it was hilarious
19:34:19 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: it seems to have provided day-long entertainment for all of /r/netsec
19:34:29 <zxcvbnm> yea :)
19:34:35 <joepie91> it was hard to find critical comments, nearly everyone was too busy laughing their asses off..
19:34:50 <lady-3jane> hmm
19:35:03 <lady-3jane> it started trying to generate an otr key and that seems to have blown up pidgin
19:35:06 <lady-3jane> very interesting
19:35:14 <zxcvbnm> lady-3jane:  i never have issues with otr
19:35:17 <joepie91> that's odd
19:35:24 <joepie91> it shows unverified conversation here
19:35:28 <joepie91> so seems to have succeeded
19:35:32 <lady-3jane> yeah
19:38:04 <iceTwy> btw joepie91
19:38:10 <iceTwy> are you still developing CWM?
19:39:10 <joepie91> yes
19:39:12 <joepie91> CVM *
19:39:19 <joepie91> working on it right now actually
19:43:59 <iceTwy> CVM ye
19:45:01 <iceTwy> YouTube annoys me.
19:45:09 <iceTwy> I've set every possible setting so that it uses HTML5.
19:45:25 <iceTwy> Yet it can't play some videos with the HTML5 player.
19:45:26 <joepie91> I was about to ask "why", but then remembered that "why not" would be more appropriate...
19:45:39 <joepie91> HTML5 doesn't work for videos with special features
19:45:40 <iceTwy> Yup..
19:45:43 <joepie91> and supposedly also not for videos with ads
19:45:48 <iceTwy> really?
19:45:50 <joepie91> solution: use XBMC
19:45:54 <joepie91> yes, even /html5 says so
19:46:00 <iceTwy> XBMC = ?
19:46:17 <joepie91> :O
19:46:22 <joepie91> you don't know what XBMC is?
19:46:31 <joepie91> google it!
19:46:53 <joepie91> it's very very awesome
19:47:00 <joepie91> and it now actually runs _without_ raping your resources!
19:47:11 <joepie91> (this is, afaik, a fairly recent feature :P)
19:47:19 <iceTwy> looks pretty fancy
19:47:43 <joepie91> it is
19:47:45 <joepie91> quite pleasant to use
19:48:50 <joepie91> iceTwy: it's probably in your repository
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19:54:11 <iceTwy2> erm
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19:54:14 <iceTwy2> damn
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19:54:28 <iceTwy> xbmc ain't bad
19:54:29 <iceTwy> but
19:54:37 <iceTwy> if it's going to go full screen everytime I use it
19:54:39 <iceTwy> no way
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19:54:59 <joepie91> iceTwy
19:55:01 <joepie91> hit \
19:55:05 <iceTwy> erm
19:55:05 <joepie91> yes, backslash
19:55:18 <joepie91> it'll toggle fullscreen
19:55:18 <iceTwy> oo
19:55:21 <joepie91> :)
19:55:38 <iceTwy> thanks lmao
19:55:40 <iceTwy> had to reboot my PC.
19:55:46 <joepie91> another tip: to make the overlay disappear during a video, rightclick
19:55:51 <joepie91> it toggles overlay visibility
19:56:00 <joepie91> if you want to show the menu *over* the current video, hit tab
19:56:16 <joepie91> and then you have the usual controls
19:56:22 <joepie91> arrow keys, backspace (?), escape, etc
19:57:00 <iceTwy> alrighty
19:59:26 <iceTwy> oh wait
19:59:30 <iceTwy> all of this just reminds me
19:59:31 <iceTwy> that I have no sound
19:59:32 <iceTwy> :>
19:59:41 <joepie91> lol
19:59:48 <joepie91> I found a very annoying bug in suse 12.3
19:59:54 <joepie91> when running with XFCE
20:00:00 <joepie91> it does something odd with the media keys
20:00:07 <joepie91> where if you hit the mute button, it sets _two_ things to mute
20:00:10 <joepie91> but when you hit it again
20:00:14 <joepie91> it only unsets one of them
20:00:21 <joepie91> end result: you can mute, but you cannot unmute
20:00:24 <joepie91> without going into volume control
20:00:31 <joepie91> and manually turning it back on
20:00:38 <joepie91> it seems an XFCE-specific issue
20:01:26 <iceTwy> bothering aye
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20:11:02 <iceTwy> sigh
20:11:05 <iceTwy> rolling back recent updates
20:11:11 <iceTwy> so that I can find what's making me bug
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20:23:41 <iceTwy> Silly ALSA.
20:23:46 <iceTwy> It had muted my Master chan.
20:24:02 <iceTwy> Even though the first thing I did 4h ago was to check alsamixer
20:24:06 <iceTwy> I didn't see it was muted
20:24:08 <iceTwy> fml
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20:29:28 <joepie91> iceTwy: are you sure it isn't the same bug I'm having? heh
20:29:37 <iceTwy> hmm?
20:29:39 <iceTwy> no I've solved it
20:29:40 <iceTwy> lol
20:29:43 <joepie91> because my train of thought went in a roughly similar manner
20:29:45 <iceTwy> it just happened randomly
20:29:46 <joepie91> "wtf? this is not muted...|
20:29:52 <joepie91> just missed that the other slider was
20:30:22 <iceTwy> btw
20:30:23 <iceTwy> how do you
20:30:29 <iceTwy> fullscreen XBMC
20:30:34 <iceTwy> whilst playing a video
20:32:44 <joepie91> \
20:32:45 <joepie91> :P
20:33:34 <iceTwy> erm
20:33:57 <iceTwy> doesnt
20:33:58 <iceTwy> work?
20:33:58 <iceTwy> :o
20:34:06 <iceTwy> ah
20:34:08 <iceTwy> actually
20:34:14 <iceTwy> the thing is that XFCE doesn't make it go back fullscreen
20:34:28 <iceTwy> it's not XBMC, XFCE doesn't fullscreen the window
20:34:55 <iceTwy> right done
20:34:57 <iceTwy> fixed
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21:26:56 <zxcvbnm> ohhhh fuckaduck
21:34:26 <joepie91> iceTwy: I use XFCE
21:34:30 <joepie91> I am not having issues with XBMC
21:34:41 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: fuckaduckduckgo?
21:35:49 <MK_FG> Haha, that's an awesome name!
21:37:22 <iceTwy> very
21:37:26 <iceTwy> very
21:37:29 <iceTwy> good ted talk
21:37:46 <iceTwy>
21:40:53 <joepie91> bookmarked for future viewing
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21:50:30 <iceTwy> please do zxcvbnm
21:50:42 <MK_FG>
21:50:53 <MK_FG> that you won't look at ducks the same way again, ever
21:52:09 <iceTwy> MK_FG: wtf is this voice
21:52:09 <iceTwy> lol
21:52:31 <iceTwy> erm
21:52:43 <iceTwy> zxcvbnm, redirects to
21:52:52 <zxcvbnm> oh it already exists?
21:52:57 <zxcvbnm> damn. :(
21:55:47 <zest> look deeper this is pretty girl )
21:56:14 <zest> "7 years experience in accounting and sales tax" written on her linkedin acc
21:56:28 <zest> think about it, what you can do with her mind !)
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21:58:52 <iceTwy> heh?
21:58:54 <iceTwy> what could you do
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22:06:23 <zest> no debts, no taxes, no headaches with bills and planning budget
22:06:48 <zest> moreover you get
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