Cryto! 22 April 2013

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14:29:18 <zxcvbnm> morning
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17:19:10 <MK_FG> Ok, I propose an alternative to jwz-law: "Every program attempts to expand until it includes its own udev."
17:19:16 <MK_FG> "... Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can."
17:19:52 <MK_FG> Apparently chromium already does, wat
18:11:55 <joepie91> MK_FG: huh?
18:11:58 <joepie91> it does?
18:12:01 <joepie91> why?
18:12:27 <MK_FG>
18:12:44 <MK_FG> I was as damn surprised as you are ;)
18:13:14 <MK_FG> Apparently it's a part of it's Media Galleries API -
18:13:57 <MK_FG> I just hope they won't start shipping suid binaries to be able to do these UpdateMtab() and mount/umount stuff
18:15:23 <MK_FG> chromium's gigabyte codebase running as root would probably give some infosec people heard attack ;)
18:15:30 <MK_FG> *heart
18:16:41 <MK_FG> Hm, also, everyone who use chrome now loses all moral rights to criticize systemd borg!
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20:57:38 <anonnews219> I need to know operation details regarding the Westborow baptist church
21:00:35 <MK_FG> anonnews219, We strike at noon! Ivan will place the charges and Boris will round up the survivors with machine gun
21:01:29 <anonnews219> Lovely thought but is there any knowledge of any cyber attacks?  
21:02:34 <MK_FG> Cyborgs? I didn't know Victor is coming with us
21:02:57 <MK_FG> Should come in handy to deal with these swat units
21:04:16 <anonnews219> Ha anonymous  hacked Westborow social media accounts before ?
21:04:41 <anonnews219> Has*
21:07:28 <MK_FG> Hacking yes, bring an axe
21:07:55 <anonnews219> You're simply full of humor today ?
21:08:16 <MK_FG> And you haven't read the topic, did you?
21:08:59 <anonnews219> Please do enlighten me !
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21:09:35 <MK_FG> "Topic for #crytocc: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNEL. |, | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Online Flash IDE: | Cryto Research: | RIP Aaron Swartz"
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21:10:33 <anonnews189> I had to switch to a new nick name
21:12:33 <anonnews189> Is the comedian still here ?
21:14:06 <MK_FG> Who me?
21:14:53 <anonnews189> Indeed!
21:15:37 <MK_FG> I didn't really mean to entertain, just to show the absurdity of your question
21:16:05 <anonnews189> In retrospect I do understand
21:16:47 <anonnews189> But if you still could be so kind as to enlighten me
21:17:37 <MK_FG> Just read the damn topic yourself
21:17:57 <anonnews189> Good thing I sure know how !
21:18:16 <MK_FG> Well you should!
21:18:41 <anonnews189> Well forgive me I don't
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21:24:03 <anonnews189> What exactly is a coding collective ?
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21:33:06 <joepie91> hahaha MK_FG
21:33:27 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
21:33:27 <loggy>
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21:55:01 <DrWhat> :)
22:00:10 <DrWhat> Fine
22:00:13 <DrWhat> Dont reply
22:00:18 <DrWhat> Oh wait
22:00:24 <DrWhat> FML
22:00:37 * DrWhat is away "the hanging starts now" • Log: on • Pager: off
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22:21:22 <joepie91> ohai DrAway
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22:49:35 <HiveResearch> joepie91:
22:56:20 <lady-3jane> yeah I've never bought the one-person-or-group-controls-all shit
22:56:35 <lady-3jane> I'll see shortly, since that's the level I'm headed to
22:56:44 <lady-3jane> But I'm not holding my breath
22:59:15 <joepie91> HiveResearch: from what I have seen, I'm inclined to believe that the 'elite' works much like Anonymous does
22:59:32 * lady-3jane loves some elite theory
22:59:33 <joepie91> more or less amorphous (correct word to use?) that may congegrate and separate at will, depending on agreements or disagreements
22:59:49 <joepie91> cooperations can exist from it, but so can disagreement
22:59:53 <lady-3jane> that seems rather fair
22:59:53 <joepie91> er
22:59:55 <joepie91> can originate from it *
22:59:59 <HiveResearch> you mean instead of IRC it's Bilderberg?
23:00:06 <joepie91> HiveResearch: I'm not sure I'm following
23:00:22 <lady-3jane> one of many such meetings, no doubt
23:00:28 <HiveResearch> taking over a hotel for a kind of Elite TED and decision making thing
23:00:40 <lady-3jane> dude rich people do that all the time
23:00:51 <lady-3jane> that's like what they do to make themselves feel smart
23:00:52 <lady-3jane> lol
23:01:09 <lady-3jane> a reinforcement of their power, maybe even
23:01:19 <HiveResearch> Bilderberg is literally Comicon for Assholes
23:01:25 <lady-3jane> sure
23:01:30 <lady-3jane> but comicon is full of assholes
23:01:32 <lady-3jane> too
23:01:51 <lady-3jane> so you're bitching about a conference for rich people?
23:01:52 <joepie91> different kind of asshole
23:01:55 <joepie91> the less smelly kind
23:01:55 <joepie91> :)
23:02:01 <joepie91> well
23:02:02 <joepie91> less figuratively smelly
23:02:02 <lady-3jane> lmao
23:02:13 <joepie91> not so sure about the less literally smelly
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23:02:29 <HiveResearch> the point i was making was that power comes with accelerated power acquision - the more you have, the faster you get it
23:02:38 <lady-3jane> HiveResearch:) I'll try and attend bilderberg someday, just to piss on your hat
23:02:43 <lady-3jane> yes
23:02:47 <lady-3jane> that's how it works
23:02:57 <lady-3jane> smaller groups accelerate many things
23:03:10 <joepie91> HiveResearch: in that sense, temporary cooperation makes sense
23:03:18 <joepie91> in an amorphous manner
23:03:24 <HiveResearch> once the power concentration reaches a certain point it becomes semi permanent
23:03:33 <joepie91> form cooperation, gain power, until enough power that cooperation is no longer necessary, disband
23:04:05 <lady-3jane> HiveResearch:) I don't believe it does. It's only permanent for now because everyone values money so heavily.
23:04:07 <HiveResearch> then they keep protecting that entrenchment by preventing others from organizing effectively
23:04:26 <HiveResearch> and joepie91 nailed it
23:04:37 <HiveResearch> the bills are a distraction
23:04:52 <HiveResearch> we could be building the world we want
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23:05:04 <lady-3jane> no, they're just the recurring interest in something not everyone wants
23:05:22 <lady-3jane> which is more to the core of what he's pointing out
23:05:25 <lady-3jane> and what the page he linked me gets at
23:05:57 <lady-3jane> as long as someone stands to profit from the bills, they will continue to be presented
23:06:07 <lady-3jane> it's not so expensive to get the bill passed, and lots of money will be made
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23:06:29 <lady-3jane> makes sense within the scope of corporatism and capitalism
23:06:30 <HiveResearch> well i'm an industrialist so i see them as an energy vacuum to slow down real change
23:06:50 <lady-3jane> what the fuck is an industrialist
23:06:53 <joepie91> if (amount of bills necessary before one slips by * cost per bill) < profits from one successful bill
23:06:56 <joepie91> they'll keep coming
23:07:08 <joepie91> it's a mathematically/psychologically more or less predictable gamble
23:07:09 <lady-3jane> you want to go back to unregulated workers and child abuse (work, not sexual)
23:07:36 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) yeah
23:07:52 <lady-3jane> I don't want an industrial revolution, that shit was fucking hard on people
23:08:00 <HiveResearch> industrialist = build shit you want, protect the builders, attack when they attack your friends, ignore when they attack you
23:08:29 <lady-3jane> mind giving an example, that concept isn't very fluid
23:08:36 <HiveResearch> i'm not talking about that wrongly named thing
23:08:46 <HiveResearch> that was the industrial concentration
23:09:01 <lady-3jane> industrialist as in industrialism as in working hard
23:09:17 <joepie91> HiveResearch : industrial revolution was based on cost-per-unit-production
23:09:26 <joepie91> not really applicable any longer
23:09:34 <joepie91> can't just drop in that concept and expect it to work without modifications
23:09:36 <HiveResearch> i mean i'm going to make tools that put the average person on a level playing field with monsters
23:09:58 <lady-3jane> culture jammer?
23:10:00 <HiveResearch> and then i'm going to give half of it away
23:10:01 <lady-3jane> :>
23:10:09 <HiveResearch> massive culture hack
23:10:31 <lady-3jane> I take it you're using the nouveau nomenclature for that then
23:10:32 <lady-3jane> heh
23:28:52 <HiveResearch> in any case i wasn't suggesting the abuse of workers
23:29:22 <HiveResearch> rather the abolishment of the distinction between worker and company owner
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23:33:43 <lady-3jane> some companies do that
23:33:55 <lady-3jane> it doesn't work most places though
23:34:07 <lady-3jane> people kind of have to want it
23:34:30 <joepie91> lady-3jane: seems to have worked in argentina
23:34:30 <joepie91> ;)
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23:38:22 <lady-3jane> yeah?
23:38:49 <lady-3jane> mmm
23:38:54 <lady-3jane> allergy meds makin me feel good haha
23:39:20 <lady-3jane> aaaaand this is why I took half a pill instead of a whole
23:54:48 <joepie91> lady-3jane: worker-owned factories
23:55:10 <HiveResearch> no workers
23:56:24 <HiveResearch> a worker is someone who works on one compartmentalized task all day
23:56:47 <HiveResearch> like there's a war to be fought or something
23:58:47 <lady-3jane> most people do not have the cognitive capacity to do everything though
23:59:12 <lady-3jane> not like they're dumb or something, but we've only got a finite amount of working-space in our heads at once :/
23:59:16 <HiveResearch> most people do not have the physical capacity to do the same thing over and over
23:59:20 <HiveResearch> also
23:59:36 <HiveResearch> it's exaggerated productive capacity
23:59:58 <HiveResearch> good companies allow naps at work