Cryto! 4 February 2014
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01:05:08 <dorotea> MK_FG:) I live within a mile of the ocean, I'm not familiar with this `snow` concept
01:07:02 <dorotea> hello yes joepie91 I mean satan, #newnewnewnewnewnewtwitter is sexy
01:07:30 <dorotea> It's like bootstrap3.1.0+twitter=?
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02:44:14 <dorotea> current activity: http://archive.org/stream/theideaoftheholy00ottouoft/theideaoftheholy00ottouoft_djvu.txt
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03:14:34 <MK_FG> Hmm, fairly sure ocean isn't mutually exclusive with snow
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03:48:04 <gesichtskirmes> hey
04:38:33 <dorotea> It pretty much is along the entire western us coast, MK_FG
04:39:02 <dorotea> like 90% of it doesn't get snow
04:39:11 <dorotea> (I'm sure bits of washington do, though)
04:43:35 <dorotea> oh man
04:43:38 <dorotea> this class is gonna be so bad
04:43:59 <dorotea> It's "world views" but really it just covers all the religions, trying to understand the logic within the religion
04:44:22 <dorotea> and I'm reading christian theology and trying not to punch out a wall
04:45:22 <dorotea> "It cannot be expressed by means of anything else, just because it is so primary and elementary a datum in our psychical life, and therefore only definable through itself."
04:45:27 <dorotea> there's your killer lin
04:45:28 <dorotea> e
04:45:32 <dorotea> you need read nothing else
04:46:22 <dorotea> circular justification is myth. Why do we need myth? We don't.
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04:53:19 <dorotea> It's like someone blathering, using language to try and pin down something which doesn't actually exist
04:53:43 <dorotea> based on wholly false premises of logic, but within the system it is itself logical
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12:32:41 <monod> g'd morning.
12:32:45 <monod> loggy, pinter
12:32:47 <monod> oops
12:32:49 <monod> loggy, pointer
12:32:49 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-04#T12-32-49
12:32:53 <monod> loggy thanks
12:34:02 <monod> <dorotea> and I'm reading christian theology and trying not to punch out a wall
12:34:03 <monod> lol
12:35:13 <monod> religion is just a way of asking ourselves how can all this reality... be.
13:05:31 <monod> anyone knows anything about efnet? Are there any interesting channels? Because I've just seen that there's no nickserv service right now.
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14:08:13 <MK_FG> Not "right now", I think it's what makes efnet efnet ;)
14:08:29 <MK_FG> (lack of nickserv, I mean)
14:10:03 * joepie91 is finding DHT to be a very interesting topic
14:10:27 <joepie91> just read up on the basic concepts and workings of DHT, now reading about the BitTorrent Kademlia implementation...
14:16:49 <MK_FG> Iirc bep-5 is like 10% dht 90% implementation details (i.e. how to conserve ram with buckets)
14:17:32 <MK_FG> Maybe rfc-like docs are better that way?
14:17:49 <Xeross> joepie91: Python has a pydht library that I think already does Kademlia like peer finding or something similar
14:18:36 <joepie91> Xeross: doesn't matter
14:18:47 <joepie91> I'm interested in knowing how DHT works and how to implement it, not just in using it ;)
14:18:51 <Xeross> Mhm
14:22:18 <joepie91> When a node with ID "N" is inserted into the table, it is placed within the bucket that has min <= N < max.
14:22:22 * joepie91 claps
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14:24:20 <Xeross> Haha
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15:14:45 <dorotea> aff marketing, excellent, just what I had hoped to read about tonight
15:15:16 <Zekka> What are you reading?
15:15:31 <dorotea> well, it's not tonight yet
15:15:39 <dorotea> so I'm reading what you just wrote
15:15:48 <dorotea> but I will be reading joepie91's blog post
15:16:00 <Zekka> Oh, cool. I still haven't switched to his new RSS feed
15:16:12 <Zekka> mostly because my feedreader is kind of dippy
15:29:27 <dorotea> ahh
15:29:33 <dorotea> I have it mailed to me
15:29:36 * dorotea hates rss
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16:00:31 <joepie91> dorotea: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/02/03/editorial-why-games-should-enter-the-public-domain/
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16:54:45 <lysobit> since we're talking about copyright terms here, s/games/everything/
16:55:10 <lysobit> see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWZLFkmqAE&t=18m50s
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19:18:13 <monod> hello
19:18:45 <monod> joepie91, bucket-things in computer science are pretty interesting - have you ever heard of bucket sort?
19:28:45 <joepie91> hai
19:28:52 <joepie91> heard of it, haven't looked into it
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19:36:42 <monod> it's not the easiest thing to look into iirc
19:36:49 <monod> not impossible to understand too
19:45:49 <joepie91> I've been thinking about how to implement a giant decentralized "shared hard drive"
19:45:55 <joepie91> with access controls and all that
19:46:11 <monod> the question is Wju?
19:46:13 <monod> Why*
19:46:14 <monod> lol
19:46:22 <monod> lol to my typo
19:46:37 <monod> I mean, is it really urgent?
19:46:45 <monod> but I know that maybe this is not a good question
19:46:58 <monod> because to-do lists are always difficult and stuff
19:47:41 <joepie91> toy project :)
19:48:25 <monod> hahaha
19:48:39 <monod> actually, I've been thinking of a shared computer like 2 days ago :D
19:49:06 <monod> yet I was just wondering during spare time
19:49:29 <monod> today I studied more efficiently with that meditation tip I've sent ya!
19:49:32 <joepie91> monod: it's not a project with a deadline or a goal
19:49:36 <joepie91> just something to experiment with
19:49:50 <monod> uhm ya
19:49:54 <monod> yea*
19:49:56 <joepie91> I need a toy project to take my mind off things
19:50:25 <joepie91> I've figured out a bunch of stuff already, but still have a few unsolved questions/concerns
19:50:26 <joepie91> :P
19:50:52 <monod> <joepie91> I need a toy project to take my mind off things
19:50:53 <monod> oh lulz
19:51:14 <joepie91> namely handling concurrent write conflicts, directory listing storage, flood protection for said storage, and file 'health' stats gathering
19:51:25 <monod> oh joepie91, maybe you can suggest me well - I decided to take a look into the evilzone community/forum
19:51:41 <monod> flood protection?
19:52:10 <monod> uhm, I feel like evilzone would be a waste of time compared to these few last things you just mentioned
19:52:57 <joepie91> :P
19:53:13 <joepie91> and yeah, if there is some kind of shared storage for directory information...
19:53:13 <monod> that must be a yes.
19:53:23 <joepie91> I'd want to prevent people from filling it up with bogus data
19:53:30 <joepie91> the question is; how do you define "bogus"
19:53:37 <joepie91> and how do you detect/prevent it
19:53:54 <joepie91> (also, there's a reason I haven't been active around Evilzone for a loooong time)
19:55:45 <monod> <joepie91> the question is; how do you define "bogus"
19:55:46 <monod> meaning some information that overrides the storage stats?
19:57:32 <joepie91> no
19:57:43 <joepie91> as in, data that doesn't have to be stored, that is just intended to fill up space
19:57:49 <joepie91> malicious intent
19:58:52 <monod> I don't have a solid ground beneath these things and I can't understand this too well :( But I'm not giving up trying understanding
19:59:26 <monod> also, notice the improvement in English in that statement :)
19:59:27 <monod> lulz
20:01:18 <monod> the context of that was the "shared hard drive"?
20:05:13 <monod> (btw, in visiting evilzone I noticed a quite big return into coding for me :) I think I should definitely find something like this that keeps my hands on the keyboard.. I'd like to fluently write projects! The only thing, now, is... that I can fluently program in java only and that I do not have any project to make - and this puts me in the state of being willing to hop into any project that may need me!)
20:05:48 <monod> also, I have to watchout for university, it should take the maximum time over the rest, if I want to give it a sense
20:05:51 <monod> meaning*
20:12:50 <joepie91> monod: I've noticed a lot of improvements in your English lately
20:12:50 <joepie91> :)
20:13:07 <joepie91> and yes, that was the context
20:14:06 <monod> improvements over long periods of time are still quite uncertain
20:14:19 <monod> yet happy to hear that!
20:15:02 <monod> also, I use "yet" instead of "but" when I have to start a phrase with that (but), because it's better to use 'yet', but I don't know if this is shared by others
20:15:39 <monod> and 'but' should be more intended inside phrases, after commas. "this and that, but not those." "Yet, I don't think so."
20:16:00 <lysobit> .t http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/04/major-bitcoin-exchange-not-executing-withdrawals-now-owes-clients-38m-in-disappeared-money/
20:16:02 <lysobit> (mt gox)
20:16:08 <lysobit> .title
20:16:10 <botpie91> lysobit: Major Bitcoin Exchange Not Executing Withdrawals; Now Owes Clients $38M In Disappeared Money - Falkvinge on Infopolicy
20:19:17 <joepie91> monod: I'll try to explain the difference
20:19:35 <joepie91> "yet" == kind of like "even though", "despite that"
20:19:52 <joepie91> okay, that was badly explained
20:19:59 <joepie91> let me try that again
20:19:59 <joepie91> lol
20:20:23 <joepie91> monod: argh, I can't find a way to explain it well
20:20:24 <joepie91> :(
20:21:08 <joepie91> lysobit: I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO
20:21:12 <joepie91> (generic you, not personal you)
20:21:16 <lysobit> " The author is personally affected by MtGox’ behavior, having a six-figure dollar amount in such non-executed withdrawals. He considered Gox to be a safer repository for bitcoin than his own probably-hackable computer. That judgment may not have been accurate."
20:21:23 <joepie91> haha
20:21:31 <joepie91> "that judgment may not have been accurate"
20:21:36 <joepie91> that... is a way to put it
20:22:14 <monod> joepie91, I know that "yet" is used when something "still does not", like: I haven't had dinner yet
20:22:30 <monod> yet, the use of 'yet' at the beginning of phrases should be a secondary usage of 'yet' :D
20:23:03 <monod> <joepie91> that... is a way to put it
20:23:03 <monod> lol
20:26:31 <monod> gosh, that's terrible news!
20:27:29 <monod> dinneeeeer!
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20:53:07 <orbit> wow, I completely forgot about this place, the fuck is wrong with me.
20:55:14 <beowulf> what IS wrong with you.
20:55:17 <beowulf> :P
21:00:01 <joepie91> ohai orbit
21:00:03 <joepie91> ohai beowulf
21:00:04 <joepie91> :P
21:00:17 <monod> baaack.
21:00:18 <joepie91> orbit: not sure if I spammed you with this before, so...
21:00:21 <joepie91> .welcome orbit
21:00:21 <botpie91> orbit: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off].
21:00:25 <monod> lulz
21:00:28 <orbit> So much beowulf jeez, Hai joepie91 hw's everything going?
21:00:30 <orbit> Yeah you did lol
21:00:34 <joepie91> alright :P
21:00:36 <joepie91> well
21:00:41 <orbit> *how's
21:00:42 <joepie91> things are going better than last week in some respects
21:00:46 <joepie91> though my internet thas gotten more unusable
21:00:51 <joepie91> pending ISP switch
21:01:19 <orbit> Good, shit man, to be fair I think your lucky no matter what speed you get I'm stuck at 150kb/s
21:01:28 <joepie91> orbit: the problem isn't speed
21:01:29 <joepie91> it's stability
21:01:36 <orbit> Ah got you.
21:01:39 <joepie91> nearly all of my TCP connections die every 5 minutes
21:01:43 <orbit> Ahhh
21:01:54 <joepie91> a ZNC is the only way to keep my shit somewhat operational on IRC
21:01:57 <orbit> Do they have a reason?
21:01:59 <joepie91> and even then it lags for minutes on end
21:02:01 <orbit> Damn dude that sucks
21:02:17 <joepie91> orbit: the reason is almost certainly that KPN's network is shit and massively oversubscribed
21:02:33 <joepie91> I haven't even bothered calling customer support
21:02:40 <joepie91> the last 10 times I did that it didn't turn up anything useful either
21:02:45 <orbit> oh lol
21:02:52 <joepie91> for all I know, it's just a fucking TTS engine and not an actual human
21:02:56 <monod> so mt.gox did illegally earn millions of dollars (thousands of bitcoins for hundreds of dollars each) over some years? That's the message behind what happened?
21:02:56 <joepie91> all you get are knowledge base answers anyway
21:03:07 <joepie91> useless customer support
21:03:50 <orbit> lol fair, Probably isn't blockchain getting in shit for offering a tumbling service?
21:04:54 <monod> uhm
21:05:12 <monod> I can't understand why you did address blockchains o_O
21:05:14 <joepie91> monod: I don't think mt gox has any intention of scamming people
21:05:20 <joepie91> I just think they are massively incompetent
21:05:22 <monod> joepie91, oh.
21:05:23 <joepie91> and don't want to admit it
21:05:27 <monod> oh, lol
21:05:35 <monod> if that was the case....
21:05:40 <monod> ...omg!
21:07:04 <monod> Yet this is going to be the first point that bitconis skeptics are going to discuss to prove their skepticism
21:07:07 <monod> imo
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21:07:35 <monod> because: mt.gox is still earning real dollars from other's transactions, while somebody else's losing those dollars
21:07:54 <joepie91> I've been warning people about mt. gox for, what, 2 years now?
21:08:04 <joepie91> guess this is the point where the people who didn't listen, get burned
21:08:23 <monod> warning people because of mt.gox incompetentness?
21:11:38 <monod> oh my god
21:11:53 <joepie91> monod: yes
21:12:01 <joepie91> <monod>Yet this is going to be the first point that bitconis skeptics are going to discuss to prove their skepticism
21:12:05 <joepie91> actually this has nothing to do with bitcoin
21:12:09 <joepie91> or bitcoin skepticism
21:12:12 <monod> I now read that "up until ten days ago, MtGox had executed bitcoin withdrawals perfectly."
21:12:12 <joepie91> this is purely a problem with mt. gox
21:12:17 <joepie91> because mt. gox is run by incompetent idiots
21:12:21 <joepie91> to put it bluntly
21:12:27 <joepie91> and has been since its inception
21:12:34 <monod> of course, but they're still a big part of the bitcoin community, no?
21:13:05 <joepie91> monod: no
21:13:09 <joepie91> they're a big part of press coverage
21:13:14 <joepie91> their community involvement nears 0
21:13:47 <monod> and they are not influencing the majority of the bitcoin transactions and community
21:13:51 <monod> right?
21:14:25 <joepie91> also
21:14:27 <joepie91> next warning
21:14:33 <joepie91> bitcoin foundation
21:14:39 <joepie91> they will almost certainly harm bitcoin in the long run
21:14:52 <joepie91> their interests seem to lie with building their own little political empire
21:14:58 <joepie91> not with supporting bitcoin or the community around it
21:15:03 <joepie91> <monod>and they are not influencing the majority of the bitcoin transactions and community
21:15:06 <joepie91> not really
21:15:08 <monod> (So only those who made transactions with them got to pay for either their incompetentness or a scam (who knows))
21:15:15 <joepie91> exactly
21:15:19 <joepie91> but I really need to sleep now
21:15:24 <monod> alright!
21:15:26 <joepie91> keep an eye on the Bitcoin Foundation
21:15:32 <joepie91> I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them
21:15:32 <monod> I'll google it
21:15:46 <joepie91> goodnight all
21:15:48 <monod> good night!
21:34:56 <monod> I go!
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22:05:29 <pzuraq> YO
22:12:02 <pzuraq> sup
22:12:10 <orbit> not much, yourself/
22:12:33 <pzuraq> chilling
22:12:42 <pzuraq> writing a scheduler for Minix 3
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23:04:45 <Charles> .bitcoin
23:04:46 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $801.10, 1 BTC = €679.99
23:05:30 <Charles> lets say ur on irc and shopping in a super market. u start using the application on ur phone
23:05:49 <Charles> someone says "holy sht. im on that channel too!"
23:06:08 <Charles> and starts listing out the server channel etc
23:06:59 <Charles> and u r like 1) wow creeps like this r on the same channel as me 2) my identity :(
23:07:03 <Charles> nvm goodbye
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23:46:21 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add Gulp Snippets', '02Fix Gulp SnippetPackage order and empty lines.', '02Merge pull request #2719 from FilipeLinhares/masterAdd Gulp Snippets' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/184cf8ab3d...0107907a43)
23:46:51 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02CSScomb: Update repo url', '02Merge pull request #2752 from tonyganch/repo-urlCSScomb: Update repo url' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/0107907a43...76bc4fbf66)
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23:49:54 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02add channel for aligntab', '02Merge pull request #2743 from randy3k/masteraligntab - st2 support in another branch' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/76bc4fbf66...0076ab2561)