Cryto! 23 January 2014
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00:08:48 <dorotea> hmm
00:08:58 <dorotea> Is stripe any less of a piece of shit than it used to be?
00:09:10 <dorotea> cause like, when they launched that shit sucked ass
00:09:25 <dorotea> I can only hope that with 40m$ in funding they could do better
00:12:23 <dorotea> wow, they do paternity leave
00:12:28 <dorotea> I haven't seen a US company do that :O
00:12:47 <dorotea> that's fucking cool
00:13:29 <dorotea> oh man, stripe is written in ruby
00:15:34 <dorotea> let's just convert the entire company over to 0mq and be done
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01:19:10 <dorotea> huh
01:19:38 <dorotea> stripe's 80m$ funding round doesn't precisely coincide with twitter launching with them as a payments platform partner at ALL
01:19:39 <dorotea> noooo
01:19:44 <dorotea> not even a little
01:19:44 <dorotea> lol
01:23:45 <MK_FG> Stripe, funding, twitter...
01:24:16 <MK_FG> My bayes-bullshit-detector goes nuts ;)
01:27:35 <dorotea> lol
01:27:41 <dorotea> not very bayes of you
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01:28:59 <dorotea> am I correct in assuming paypal hasn't improved over the last year?
01:29:51 <dorotea> also holy fuck
01:30:25 <dorotea> like, verisign spun off all their shit, and every fucking body bought a piece
01:30:55 <dorotea> I didn't even know verisign had a payment services dept, but uh paypal bought it sometime in the last two years
01:31:17 <dorotea> symantec bought their pki... what selse
01:31:20 <dorotea> else *
01:31:42 <dorotea> domain registrar went to network solutions?
01:34:05 <dorotea> hmm
01:34:14 <dorotea> no, 2003 there from the SEA violation
01:37:29 <dorotea> oh, neat, and they were breached in 2010 repeatedly and tried to cover it up
01:37:43 <dorotea> wouldn't specify what was affected, only that it wasn't domain names shit
01:37:51 <dorotea> so uh, PKI? certs? yes?
02:49:39 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Try to update a package metadata', '02Merge pull request #2676 from titoBouzout/masterTry to update a package metadata' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/2e13533815...1b3941d1d8)
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08:38:41 <jwa> what timezone is dorotea in?
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08:59:10 <MK_FG> Would it really matter? IT-related people seem to be asleep/awake at the weirdest times of local day ;)
09:01:12 <MK_FG> Anyway, should be UTC-7 or UTC−8
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10:14:50 <jwa> MK_FG: west coast ic
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10:17:06 <monod> helo
10:19:26 <jwa> HN being down isn't even funny anymore.
10:19:34 <monod> lol
10:19:44 <monod> is there maintenance going on?
10:19:49 <monod> jwa ^
10:19:53 <jwa> yes
10:20:00 <monod> oh, that's fine then!
10:20:11 <monod> They're working for us 8-)
10:20:12 <jwa> heh, they changed their error page to embed their @HNStatus tweets
10:20:24 <monod> nice!
10:20:34 <jwa> also I recenty learned that cloudflare has horrible connectivity to users in switzerland :<
10:21:15 <monod> oh wait, remind me what cloudflare did? I can't remember it at this very moment! I only remember it's something having to do with signing up websites
10:21:21 <monod> and cloud technology
10:21:23 <monod> clearly.
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10:21:37 <monod> what cloudflare was*, better.
10:22:15 <jwa> er, no
10:22:20 <jwa> it's a CDN
10:22:29 <monod> content delivery network?
10:22:34 <jwa> yeah, basically
10:23:01 <monod> I remember you can "add" your website "to" cloudflare and you get something I don't remember what it was, is it right?
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10:23:50 <jwa> well, they're a CDN for your entire site and play MITM for your visitors
10:24:07 <jwa> more like load balancing CDN stuff
10:24:25 <jwa> er, anyway. they're huge
10:24:47 <monod> "and play MITM for your visitors" what?! In what sense mitm? what does this have to do?
10:25:00 <monod> oh ok
10:25:08 <monod> load balancing, you said.
10:25:34 <jwa> they sit between you and the original server
10:26:00 <jwa> hence the HN error page says something about “CloudFlare Location: Frankfurt”
10:27:14 <joepie91> <jwa>HN being down isn't even funny anymore.
10:27:18 <joepie91> it always kind of amuses me, really
10:27:29 <joepie91> clearly they're not Web Scale with High Availability ;)
10:27:52 <joepie91> <jwa>also I recenty learned that cloudflare has horrible connectivity to users in switzerland :<
10:28:06 <joepie91> tbh, if you tweet at the cloudflare CEO he'll probably fix it
10:28:13 <joepie91> (entirely serious)
10:29:23 <jwa> joepie91: there's been quite a discussion about it, imgur and UPC/Cablecom (major ISP here)
10:29:45 <jwa> dunno the details but yeah if the closest cloudflare location to zurich is frankfurt well
10:29:52 <jwa> I think that's improvable
10:30:34 <joepie91> UPC seems very omnipresent in Switzerland and Austria
10:30:46 <joepie91> but yeah, that could be better
10:30:54 <joepie91> though ch/at connectivity to de isn't exactly bad
10:31:05 <jwa> imgur with UPC is horribly slow because of some shit they're doing
10:31:26 <jwa> fastest interwebz connection in western europe is right here at ETHZ
10:31:42 <monod> are you in ETHZ??
10:31:49 <monod> Zurich Research thing?
10:32:00 <jwa> no
10:32:01 <monod> like Zurich's ETH
10:32:02 <monod> oh ok
10:32:14 <jwa> yeah ETHZ is ETH Zurich
10:32:22 <jwa> Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule
10:33:27 <jwa> the other one was in lausanne iirc
10:33:35 <monod> Hmm
10:34:22 <jwa> where are you located?
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10:36:02 <monod> jwa, me? Italy actually
10:36:04 <jwa> joepie91: shitty connection is shitty
10:36:14 <joepie91> yeah, I know
10:36:14 <jwa> oh cool, come stai?
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10:36:22 <monod> oh lol
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10:36:28 <monod> fine thanks/bene grazie
10:36:53 <jwa> no no no you got it all wrong, that's the moment when you cover your head :P
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10:37:30 <monod> are you talking about "shame"?
10:37:52 <jwa> no on swiss building sites most workers are italian or eastern european
10:38:19 <jwa> so when an eastern european yells at you COME STAI he actually means 'a stone is coming right at you'
10:38:28 <jwa> because swiss german
10:38:29 <jwa> ;)
10:38:41 <jwa> joepie91: btw i'll be in AMS Feb 3rd-6th
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10:38:52 <monod> stai == stein == stone?
10:38:56 <jwa> yep
10:39:10 <monod> so, COME STAI jwa?
10:39:17 <jwa> and come pronounced the same
10:39:28 <monod> lulz, that's a terrific joke
10:39:28 <jwa> i.e. koh-meh
10:39:38 <monod> a troll joke, actually
10:39:42 <jwa> linguistics, not a joke really
10:39:43 <jwa> yeah
10:39:46 * jwa ducks
10:39:52 <monod> I will troll my ignare friend from now on >:)
10:40:08 <jwa> ignare?
10:40:17 <monod> uhm
10:40:26 <monod> my bad. I mean.....
10:40:42 <monod> "someone who does not know, who ignores something"
10:40:51 <jwa> got it
10:41:03 <monod> is it correct in English? :D
10:41:06 <jwa> http://dict.leo.org/itde/index_de.html#/search=ignare
10:41:19 <jwa> oblivious would be a good translation I think
10:41:39 <monod> http://www.wordreference.com/iten/ignare
10:41:45 <monod> there you go! "unaware"
10:41:50 <jwa> alright
10:41:56 <monod> :evilasd:
10:41:59 <monod> >:)
10:42:17 <jwa> silly sven
10:44:14 <jwa> monod: I hate it when github repo maintainers ignore your PRs for weeks
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10:44:37 <jwa> joepie91: ping
10:44:45 <joepie91> yes yes, pong
10:44:53 <jwa> did you get my other message?
10:44:55 <monod> oops, I also can't remember what PR stands for, cause it passed lot of time since my last github use
10:44:56 <joepie91> stupid fucking ISP
10:44:59 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
10:44:59 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-01-23#T10-44-59
10:45:02 <joepie91> now I did
10:45:02 <monod> (try, rather than use)
10:45:04 <joepie91> :)
10:45:30 <jwa> monod: pull request
10:45:45 <monod> oh ok
10:45:46 <monod> thanks
10:45:47 <jwa> also that should totally be all over https
10:46:01 <jwa> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-01-23#T10-38-41
10:46:04 <jwa> joepie91: ^
10:46:19 <joepie91> jwa: alright, read them
10:46:24 <joepie91> come grab a cup of coffee :P
10:46:30 <jwa> weee \o/
10:46:35 <jwa> so you're around?
10:46:44 <joepie91> probably, but I'll be in Dordrecht
10:46:45 <joepie91> :P
10:47:11 <jwa> bah
10:47:23 <joepie91> jwa: everything is close in NL
10:47:48 * jwa googles 'bike route from oud west amsterdam to dordrecht'
10:48:20 <monod> everything is closed.
10:48:23 <monod> ok, sad joke
10:48:34 <jwa> yeah just 80km - 4h 45min ride guess that'd doable
10:50:27 <joepie91> monod: it is, at night
10:50:33 <joepie91> :)
10:50:38 <joepie91> another one of those Dutch things
10:50:40 <jwa> joepie91: pity - thought you were closer to AMS
10:50:44 <joepie91> virtually nowhere do 24 hours things actually exist
10:50:46 <jwa> kanker kanker
10:50:53 <joepie91> aside from petrol stations
10:50:54 <monod> oh wow
10:50:57 <monod> oh lol
10:50:59 <jwa> joepie91: that's not a dutch thing that's just normal
10:50:59 <joepie91> NL is basically just dead at night
10:51:02 <joepie91> jwa: it's not
10:51:05 <jwa> er yes
10:51:12 <joepie91> most places in europe and US have 24 hour stores and such now
10:51:21 <jwa> don't make NYC let you think everything's oughta be open 24/7
10:51:22 <joepie91> go to the average city or town in NL and you will find 0
10:51:30 <jwa> come here
10:51:41 <joepie91> afaik only amsterdam, rotterdam and breda have any 24 hour things at all
10:51:45 <jwa> be surprised there aren't any 24hr shops
10:51:53 <jwa> even mc'donalds closes
10:51:53 <joepie91> lol
10:51:58 <monod> what do you think about 24/7 shops?
10:52:01 <monod> are they ethical?
10:52:10 <jwa> we recently had a vote on it
10:52:14 <joepie91> monod: I don't really see what ethics have to do with it...?
10:52:14 <monod> interesting
10:52:17 <jwa> not directly but certainly a way towards them
10:52:46 <jwa> joepie91: work ethics, people tend to believe its excrutiating for workers to be 'forced' to work long hours/shifts
10:52:57 <jwa> obviously the people who say that have no clue what they're talking about
10:53:02 <monod> joepie91: because of workers who have to cover larger time ranges, like. I don't know what are the rumours behind this actually.
10:53:06 <monod> jwa, interesting
10:53:09 <jwa> there are always insomniacs and money luring students
10:53:21 <monod> hehe
10:53:23 <monod> indeed
10:53:35 <monod> joepie91: jwa told exactly what I wanted to say
10:53:45 <jwa> anyway. i'm off for lunch and school afterwards
10:53:48 <monod> and it was just a quick question
10:53:54 <monod> alright
10:54:03 <jwa> after that i'll go home and sit in my corner, too depressed to talk to anyone because joepie91 turned me down for a meetup
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10:54:19 <monod> gosh
10:55:35 <jwa> :P
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10:55:44 <joepie91> awesome, now my IRC connection is just horribly laggy rather than disconnecting entirely
10:55:53 <joepie91> <jwa>joepie91: work ethics, people tend to believe its excrutiating for workers to be 'forced' to work long hours/shifts
10:56:08 <joepie91> that has to do with unreasonable treatment
10:56:10 <joepie91> not with 24 hour stores
10:56:28 <joepie91> you put on more staff, problem solved
10:56:36 <joepie91> <monod>joepie91: because of workers who have to cover larger time ranges, like. I don't know what are the rumours behind this actually.
10:56:42 <joepie91> the problem is that they're made to work longer
10:56:58 <joepie91> the "24 hours" aspect doesn't come into the picture anywhere, ethically speaking
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10:57:45 <monod> uhm, I think you still miss some messages because of the lag, maybe
10:58:15 <joepie91> monod: I don't
10:58:18 <monod> ok
10:58:20 <joepie91> I'm using ZNC now
10:58:26 <monod> o_O
10:58:29 <monod> what's that?
10:59:56 <joepie91> it's a bouncer
11:00:00 <joepie91> basically a sort of IRC proxy
11:00:08 <joepie91> that keeps your messages and then forwards them when you are online
11:00:11 <joepie91> (also can do a lot of other stuff)
11:01:00 <monod> so many resources joepie :)
11:01:41 <monod> now I.....
11:01:44 <monod> gottttttttttttta go!
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11:26:25 <lysobit> joepie91: you can still miss messages due to lag in ZNC. If your connection drops out, it won't send you messages that you received between the time your connection drops out and the time you ping timeout
11:27:33 <joepie91> lysobit, my connection to ZNC doesn't drop
11:34:45 <MK_FG> Can't you disable flushing the buffer there, so you'll still get all the "last N" messages, regardless of when you disconnect/drop/reconnect?
11:36:40 * joepie91 claps
11:36:44 <joepie91> <joepie91>lysobit, my connection to ZNC doesn't drop
11:36:45 <joepie91> ~ Connection closed
11:37:10 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
11:37:10 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-01-23#T11-37-10
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11:40:05 <MK_FG> Heheh
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14:06:36 <dorotea> joepie91:) nono, it's cool, we got this
14:06:37 <dorotea> lol
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14:13:13 <Geek> What do you thinkof Knoppix, joepie91?
14:13:16 <Geek> Or anyone else
14:13:47 <joepie91> no particular opinion :P
14:14:08 <Geek> I was here b4
14:14:12 <Geek> i asked aboutmint
14:14:31 <Geek> u said tht SuSE was better & I tried it but it was so fuckin slow
14:14:42 <Geek> never even started
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14:20:04 <joepie91> Geek: huh?
14:20:15 <joepie91> slowness doesn't have anything to do with a distro
14:20:52 <Geek> idk what the problem was
14:21:14 <Geek> it has never happened before.ubuntu and mint and kali and gNewSense always start rly fast
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14:25:36 <joepie91> Geek: you said it "never even started"
14:25:38 <joepie91> so what -did- it do?
14:40:25 <Geek> it gave me the gecko screen for 30 mins
14:40:29 <Geek> and i gave up
14:44:11 <dorotea> lol
14:45:19 <joepie91> Geek: have you tried hitting escape?
14:45:44 <joepie91> which is basically the default way to tell an OS "hey, I want to see what you're actually DOING, not some stupid splash"
14:45:53 <joepie91> though I don't think newer Windows versions do that anymore
14:46:04 <dorotea> nahp
14:46:13 <joepie91> iirc up to WinXP it would behave the same as Linux (in safe mode anyway)
14:46:14 <joepie91> and give you boot details
14:46:23 <joepie91> but yeah
14:46:27 <joepie91> WHY WOULD YOU INFORM THE USER
14:46:31 <joepie91> so they got rid of that
14:46:37 <dorotea> they don't know what any of it means
14:46:39 <dorotea> makes sense imo
14:46:52 <joepie91> dorotea: except it was only in safe mode boot and when you hit escape
14:46:54 <dorotea> "but hackers use consoles, can't show them how much console output actually exists"
14:46:59 <joepie91> which means a normal user won't touch it
14:47:02 <joepie91> or even see it
14:47:11 <joepie91> but somebody doing diagnostics would be able to get boot info
14:47:18 <joepie91> I see no valid reason to remove it in that form
14:47:42 <dorotea> NP: [Miss Kittin & The Hacker - Stock Exchange] [FABRICLIVE.33] [999kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0
14:47:47 <joepie91> obviously, a splash screen is a nice default... but you really shouldn't be FORCING the splash :P
14:48:11 <dorotea> an unpopular opinion I suspect
14:48:12 <dorotea> :P
14:48:35 <dorotea> (not wrong, just not popular :P )
14:48:48 <dorotea> EVERYDAY I'M HUSTLIN'
14:48:48 <dorotea> NP: [Rick Ross - Hustlin'] [FABRICLIVE.33] [822kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0
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14:49:45 * dorotea wonders when facebook is going to stop being broken
14:49:56 <dorotea> lol facebook is down, timesaver
14:52:40 * dorotea goes on twitter instead because AWESOME
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14:58:43 <monod> I go studying! I wonder if a "studying workout" does exist, do you know of any?
14:59:12 <monod> go
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15:06:52 <dorotea> lol
15:07:08 <dorotea> someday I'mma go stay on his couch lol
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15:26:42 <dorotea> I figured out what it is, akamai's cdn is down
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15:34:52 <joepie91> bahaha
15:36:36 <dorotea> yeah, like even akamai's site doesn't load right
15:36:57 <dorotea> it's pretty great
15:37:01 <dorotea> anyway bye
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18:17:14 <Cypher> After Dark Horror Fest 1,2,3,4
18:17:15 <Cypher> [xx:12] * Looking up irc.cryto.net [13:13] * Connected. Now logging in...
18:17:15 <Cypher> [xx:12] * Connecting to irc.cryto.net (46.19.142.63) port 6697...
18:17:15 <Cypher> [xx:12] * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused
18:17:15 <Cypher> [xx:13] * Disconnected ().
18:17:15 <Cypher> [xx:13] * Looking up irc.cryto.net
18:17:16 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Removed legacy code, made package cross-version compatible', '02Merge pull request #2678 from vadimtsushko/masterPlease remove version constrains for QlikView Tools' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/1b3941d1d8...7b9851392f)
18:17:18 <Cypher> [xx:13] * Connecting to irc.cryto.net (162.218.232.251) port 6697...
18:17:20 <Cypher> [xx:13] * * Certification info:
18:17:22 <Cypher> {connected est 2nd try}
18:17:24 <Cypher> oops
18:17:46 <Cypher> disregard the after dark horror stuff lol
18:18:15 <Cypher> just posting my error connection log
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22:20:55 <Slap> hey joepie91
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