Cryto! 22 December 2013
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00:14:47 <iceTwy> haha
00:15:13 <iceTwy> mitsuhiko's blog posts are quite amazing, lol. see that one where he goes wtf with typeahead: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2013/12/9/stop-being-clever/
00:15:32 <iceTwy> "Based on that I'm now pretty convinced now that JavaScript is the Wild West of software development. Primarily because it rivals 2003 PHP code in terms of code quality"
00:28:42 <dorotea> The difference is, php code has improved since 2003
00:28:47 * dorotea sniggers
00:29:14 <dorotea> mmmmmmmmmmmmm
00:29:15 <dorotea> NP: [Mala - Mulata] [Mala in Cuba] [801kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6
00:29:24 <dorotea> dat. bass.
00:29:52 <iceTwy> dorotea: yeah that's what he says. the PHP community has somewhat become more mature
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03:01:02 <Cryto405> hi crypto
03:01:30 <Cryto405> http://greatvirtualsculpture.net/ art change the world
03:02:36 <Cryto405> http://greatvirtualsculpture.net every person in the world will receive daily paid share of global incom
03:03:11 <Cryto405> hi guys r u quiet consciouss?
03:04:02 <Cryto405> i was long working 4 this project
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03:11:18 <Cryto405> http://greatvirtualsculpture.net every person in the world will receive daily paid share of global income!!! in the name of youre spaghettiness!!
03:18:07 <Cryto405> free anonnymouse activists worldwide immadietly!!! http://greatvirtualsculpture.net/
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03:24:57 <dorotea> wat
03:25:00 <dorotea> why you spam in here
03:25:06 <dorotea> is cryto, not crypto
03:48:12 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 4 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02adding in the0ther/Sublime-Bitly', '02adding sublime version to package info', '02Merge branch 'release/0.1.0'', '02Merge pull request #2517 from the0ther/masteradding in the0ther/Sublime-Bitly' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/27cd20c8cb...7b977953e8)
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03:57:24 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
03:57:24 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-12-22#T03-57-24
04:28:02 <dorotea> shit show, yeah
04:28:03 <dorotea> lol
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04:33:46 <dorotea> skyyyyyriiiiiim
04:34:10 <dorotea> I've been itching to bludgeon something with a warhammer for a few days now
04:34:20 <joepie91> morning dorotea
04:34:35 <joepie91> right, make sure that "someone" isn't in this channel... I hate cleaning up the mess
04:34:36 <joepie91> :P
04:35:25 <dorotea> lol I apparently ran 'im off
04:35:36 <dorotea> it wasn't completely unintentional, just mostly
04:37:27 <joepie91> eh, reading back yesterdays logs
04:37:30 <joepie91> I suspect this was for the better
04:37:43 <dorotea> I figured >_>
04:37:54 <joepie91> if somebody doesn't catch the hint when you say "you're probably using the word hacking incorrectly" and just ignores it and goes on using it incorrectly...
04:38:01 <dorotea> I had a uh... feeling about culture fit
04:38:09 <joepie91> I don't think there's going to be all that much constructive input from him here
04:38:13 <joepie91> with that one-track mind
04:38:21 <joepie91> so eh
04:38:28 <joepie91> to be perfectly honest, I don't really mind
04:38:40 <dorotea> yeah, and no real signs of ... ways to make it constructive
04:38:47 <dorotea> like how a few people have been helped to be better
04:38:48 <joepie91> he's welcome when he can have two-way interaction with people, but until then... he's probably not a good fit here
04:38:51 <joepie91> dorotea: exactly
04:39:12 <dorotea> reaction to gentle corrections was attacks, not gonna be helped
04:39:13 <dorotea> lol
04:39:22 <joepie91> anyway, this is why you don't have to ban people.. if people -really- do not fit in, they will leave eventually anyway
04:39:34 <joepie91> dorotea: pretty much
04:39:37 <joepie91> "you must not be a real hacker"
04:39:40 <joepie91> yeah, uh, okay
04:40:00 <dorotea> notice how I refused to even touch the subject :D deny him higher ground :D
04:45:21 <joepie91> my favourite line is this
04:45:21 <joepie91> 19:04:25 <Ozymandias> i here looking for intellegent covo.
04:45:31 <joepie91> aside from the countless mistakes
04:45:47 <joepie91> I wonder when he will realize that that is the last thing you're going to find in the "hacker" (ie. cracker) communities
04:45:56 <dorotea> "I here looking for discussions on cracking"
04:46:14 <dorotea> probably closer to what he wanted
04:46:17 <dorotea> yeahm that too
04:46:38 <dorotea> many of the youngin's that are still naive enough to talk about it... aren't the most mature
04:46:52 <dorotea> intelligent conversation isn't something I'd peg them with
04:49:03 <dorotea> haha. netflix uses freebsd and nginx
04:49:15 <dorotea> excellent, CorpOS winning still
04:58:11 * joepie91 still doesn't understand why there's a warning on his box of tea
04:58:35 <joepie91> dorotea
04:58:37 <joepie91> "IMPORTANT ADVICE: Pour hot water over teabag and leave for at least 5-6 minutes! Only then is the product safe to consume!"
04:58:41 <joepie91> on a box of tea I have here
04:58:56 <joepie91> please explain why there's a warning label on my tea
04:59:08 <joepie91> a consumption safety warning, at that
04:59:26 <joepie91> apple / cinnamon / rooibos / 'rose leaves' "infusion"
04:59:40 <dorotea> same reason a lady in the US won a million dollars by spilling actually hot coffee on herself in a mcdonalds and suing
04:59:57 <joepie91> dorotea: except it's only on this variety
05:00:09 <dorotea> oh, maybe it's a recommendation for that type
05:00:10 <joepie91> and not on any of the other varieties from the exact same brand and manufacturer
05:00:21 <joepie91> hell, they're even shipped in a box with the other types that do NOT have this warning
05:00:28 <dorotea> I know certain types of teas and such are supposed to be steeped for a certain time
05:00:29 <joepie91> (Lidl, they just stack up boxes as they are shipped in)
05:00:36 <joepie91> dorotea: oh?
05:00:50 <dorotea> yes
05:01:00 <dorotea> there are different steep times lol
05:01:17 <dorotea> herbal is way different than actual tea, and herbal honestly actually depends on the herb content
05:03:07 <dorotea> ohfuck
05:03:16 <dorotea> south sudanese fighters fired on US planes
05:03:18 <dorotea> :O
05:03:23 <dorotea> shit's about to get real
05:03:38 <joepie91> dorotea: well yes I know the different times... but this package actually has it as a _safety warning_
05:03:42 <joepie91> instead of "preparation advice"
05:03:44 <joepie91> (like the others do)
05:03:46 <dorotea> mm
05:03:55 <joepie91> it's worded significantly differently, and strongly implies safety hazards
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05:04:31 <joepie91> (useful: Lidl actually has the steep times on the teabag labels' backside)
05:04:35 <dorotea> oh god damnit
05:04:42 <dorotea> south sudan's gonna be another genocide
05:04:45 <dorotea> calling it now
05:04:45 <joepie91> (for whatever fucking reason, most manufacturers don't do that in NL)
05:04:56 <joepie91> dorotea: I am completely unaware of the state of affairs there
05:05:09 <dorotea> (Ive only ever seen that on the box. neat that it'd be on the bag at all)
05:05:16 <dorotea> well, it was just sudan
05:05:28 <dorotea> couple years ago, UN et all let them split to try and stop the war
05:05:39 <dorotea> (north west sudan is darfur, if that rings any bells)
05:06:00 <joepie91> ahhhh
05:06:01 <joepie91> yes
05:06:11 <dorotea> south sudan, the newly created state, is crumbling in real time
05:06:20 <dorotea> they just fired on US warplanes, injuring 4
05:06:46 <dorotea> latimes says the factions are roughly being created on ethnic lines
05:06:47 <dorotea> so, genocide
05:07:15 <dorotea> aaaaand UN peacekeepers are pulling out
05:07:15 <dorotea> yeah
05:07:26 <dorotea> man, genocide early in the new year, if it even lasts that long
05:08:26 <dorotea> we're doing good offices for negotiations, but one of the military divisions that rules over "the northern region" which is this little dip of land between north and south sudan just delcared himself mayor of it or whatever
05:08:57 <dorotea> that little dip of land's ownership was disputed between north and south, because it's a big fucking oil field
05:09:20 <dorotea> and other than really rather terrible farmland, it's all sudan has for export markets
05:09:37 <dorotea> (which of course is all we're concerned about in the west)
05:10:05 <dorotea> man, it's fucking good timing that I read one of the books by the lost boys
05:10:13 <dorotea> I know where ALL of this shit is
05:10:28 <dorotea> fuck yeah
05:10:32 <dorotea> my major, at work
05:10:40 <dorotea> not even done with the bitch yet
05:11:23 <dorotea> oof, even china's evacuating their oil personnel
05:11:24 <dorotea> sheit
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05:27:16 <Charles> .bitcoin
05:27:17 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $596.00, 1 BTC = €462.00
05:27:28 <Charles> jeg forstar
05:27:33 <Charles> ikke
05:31:25 <joepie91> Charles: wha
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05:44:59 * dorotea warbles
05:45:12 <joepie91> dorotea; https://github.com/amscanne/huptime
05:45:15 <dorotea> man, marrionberry pie icecream
05:45:22 <joepie91> Huptime is a tool for achieving zero downtime restarts without the need to modify your program in any way.
05:45:23 <joepie91> Although many applications support reloading configurations while running, a zero downtime restart allows for upgrading the application code without rejecting any clients.
05:45:44 <dorotea> yep
05:45:51 <dorotea> like lighttpd's angel
05:45:55 <dorotea> but generic
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05:48:10 <dorotea> that's pretty excellent if it delivers
05:48:28 <joepie91> lighttpd's angel?
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05:48:38 <joepie91> (also, I still think /r/bitcoin people made a genius move with their reddit ad: http://i.imgutil.com/Vi68QxH.png )
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05:49:11 <dorotea> joepie91:) yeah, lighttpd2 includes "angel" functionality
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06:37:43 <Charles> .bitcoin
06:37:44 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $609.00, 1 BTC = €462.00
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07:52:58 <joepie91> holy crap
07:52:59 <joepie91> https://boards.4chan.org/pol/res/24507839
07:53:01 <joepie91> this is an actual thing
07:53:04 <joepie91> cc dorotea
07:53:59 <dorotea> oh man
07:54:04 <dorotea> so much excellence
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08:00:56 <Charles> .bitcoin
08:00:57 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $623.00, 1 BTC = €487.25
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08:33:55 <dorotea> agh man joepie91
08:34:02 <dorotea> trying to figure out what to get my mom for christmas is so hard
08:36:02 <joepie91> dorotea: how so?
08:36:12 <dorotea> I've never done it before
08:36:22 * dorotea doesn't buy things, let alone gifts
08:36:42 <dorotea> dunno what she likes
08:36:47 <dorotea> because I know she already has everything she needs
08:37:12 <dorotea> so... must find something novel
08:37:16 <dorotea> which is the thing I'm worst at
08:37:29 <dorotea> I like novelty, but novelty's kinda personal
08:37:31 <dorotea> :/
08:37:45 <dorotea> (like the kind of novelty each person prefers)
08:47:28 <joepie91> I don't do christmas gifts :P
08:47:33 <joepie91> dorotea: make something yourself!
08:48:03 <dorotea> i never have before but my mother said she's tired of not getting one
08:48:13 <dorotea> said don't get a card, get a thing
08:48:26 * dorotea hates this holiday, in general
08:54:13 <dorotea> I would really, really like to make gifts myself actually
08:54:21 <dorotea> but I don't have access to a wood shop
08:54:46 <dorotea> If I did, everyone would get beautiful handmade cutting boards or end tables or whatever
08:54:52 <zxcvbnm__> .bitcoin
08:54:53 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $659.97, 1 BTC = €492.00
08:55:01 <zxcvbnm__> hey yall
08:55:02 <zxcvbnm__> .bitcoin
08:55:03 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $659.97, 1 BTC = €492.00
08:55:20 <dorotea> I want to make cute little tables that are like 3 inches tall
08:55:35 <dorotea> like miniatures, basically
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08:55:45 <zxcvbnm__> loggy, pointer?
08:55:45 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-12-22#T08-55-45
08:56:06 <dorotea> tldr I'm buying the first ever christmas present for my mom
08:56:15 <dorotea> dunno how
08:56:15 <dorotea> lol
08:57:41 <zxcvbnm__> where does botpie pull the bitcoin data from /
08:58:42 <dorotea> mtgox?
08:58:46 <zxcvbnm__> i don't think so
08:58:47 * dorotea doesn't remember
08:58:53 <dorotea> might be bitinstant
08:59:04 <dorotea> or uh, blockchain if they have an api
08:59:30 <dorotea> oh bad
08:59:32 <dorotea> bad bad bad
08:59:38 <dorotea> I put "trinkets" into amazon
08:59:38 <joepie91> blockchain.info/ticker
08:59:41 <dorotea> so much amazing
08:59:45 <dorotea> so little money I have for it all
08:59:47 <joepie91> @ zxcvbnm__
08:59:50 <joepie91> weighted avg
09:00:16 <zxcvbnm__> for how long
09:00:19 <zxcvbnm__> the day ?
09:01:41 <dorotea> I'mma call you lazy
09:01:51 <dorotea> because it says at the beginning of each line, 15 minutes
09:02:48 <zxcvbnm__> lol
09:02:50 <zxcvbnm__> i read that
09:02:53 <zxcvbnm__> i meant the weighted average
09:02:57 <zxcvbnm__> oh its a weighted average of 15m
09:02:58 <zxcvbnm__> got it
09:03:06 <zxcvbnm__> i thought joepie was doing some extra calculations when he reported it
09:04:38 <dorotea> 3.49 to make a joke
09:04:58 <dorotea> http://www.amazon.com/Darice-2314-45-Timeless-Miniatures-Cup-Coffee/dp/B002QSI5I8/
09:05:11 <joepie91> such pancakes, so delicious. wow
09:05:35 <zxcvbnm__> such syrup.
09:05:54 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: https://github.com/joepie91/phenny/blob/master/modules/bitcoin.py#L19
09:06:00 <dorotea> many hippo
09:06:04 <joepie91> isn't open-source awesome ;)
09:06:22 <joepie91> oh man, pancakes
09:06:23 <joepie91> pic incoming
09:07:12 <joepie91> http://owely.com/8qmGOq
09:08:13 <dorotea> less fry more syrups
09:10:20 <joepie91> dorotea: wat
09:10:29 <dorotea> too much dark
09:10:40 <dorotea> either your heat was too high or you overfried
09:10:43 <dorotea> >_>
09:10:44 <joepie91> these are dutch pancakes okay
09:10:49 <dorotea> they're wrong
09:10:52 <dorotea> wrong pancakes
09:10:54 <joepie91> no they're not
09:10:56 <dorotea> :D
09:11:03 <dorotea> okay mr. wrong
09:11:05 <joepie91> also the top one is with cheese
09:11:06 <dorotea> :>
09:11:17 <joepie91> https://www.google.com/search?q=dutch+pancakes&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=o6y2UsyEO-7s0gWHvYCQDQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=1064
09:11:17 <dorotea> even weirder, but probably tastes good so I'll allow it
09:11:28 <joepie91> you can put pretty much anything on Dutch pancakes
09:11:29 <dorotea> make the tiny ones
09:11:37 <dorotea> those are fun
09:11:56 * dorotea called them danish pancakes though, because danish roommate
09:11:57 <joepie91> (did you know: it used to be typical "poor family" dinner in NL; all cheap and plentiful farm ingredients, kids loved them, and you could throw anything on top of them)
09:12:23 <joepie91> (they also take quite some time to make)
09:12:45 <dorotea> (makes sense. just like how "chuck" steak is now expensive even though it's one of the shittiest meats in a cow, or tritip too, which is THE shittiest meat in a cow)
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09:20:54 <dorotea> oh wow
09:21:01 <dorotea> I found where all my trinkety shit's coming from
09:21:10 <dorotea> Home & Kitchen › Home Décor › Home Décor Accents › Collectible Figurines › Polyresin › International
09:24:33 <dorotea> or, damn, http://www.amazon.com/Gold-Ceramic-Maneki-Lucky-KT6-KC/dp/B000IG3RVA/
09:47:52 <dorotea> ugh I'm just gonna go cry myself to sleep because these gifts seem really fucking stupid
10:02:40 <joepie91> http://www.primewire.ag/watch-2741885-Atlantis
10:02:46 <joepie91> the first few minutes of ep 1 are very very cheesy
10:02:52 <joepie91> but otherwise, it seems like a nice series
10:18:51 <joepie91> dorotea: http://www.putlocker.com/gopro.php
10:19:00 <joepie91> apparently putlocker has switched to Bitcoin-only...
10:19:05 <joepie91> that's definitely a new thing
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11:30:32 <escape> ohai
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12:10:51 <joepie91> jesus
12:10:54 <joepie91> iceTwy, wtf are you doing lol
12:12:59 <zxcvbnm__> .bitcoin
12:12:59 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $644.50, 1 BTC = €494.00
12:14:29 <iceTwy> joepie91: haha
12:14:40 <iceTwy> joepie91: well unfortunately there's still no SASL on CrytoCC
12:14:42 <iceTwy> <3
12:21:07 <joepie91> iceTwy: that's no reason for constantly disconnecting and reconnecting
12:21:07 <joepie91> lol
12:22:53 <iceTwy> there is actually, because I tried all of the SASL auth mechanisms before ending up choosing NickServ to identify haha
12:23:13 <iceTwy> joepie91: I had a problem that ended up in rm -rf'ing all of my home directory
12:23:45 <iceTwy> I didn't loose anything important (thx backup) even though I felt like a Linux newbie, but all of my config files were deleted
12:23:47 <iceTwy> so erm
12:23:59 <joepie91> you should know by now that there's no SASL here...
12:24:02 <joepie91> and eh
12:24:06 <joepie91> how exactly
12:24:09 <joepie91> did you rm -rf your homedir
12:33:52 <DrWhat> rm /home -rf
12:33:58 <DrWhat> Even i know how to do that
12:34:16 <DrWhat> or rm /home/icetwy -rf
12:34:31 <DrWhat> also ther eis SASL
12:34:35 <DrWhat> Im using it
12:48:32 <iceTwy> joepie91: yeah. because I was writing my first bash script
12:48:33 <iceTwy> hahaha
12:48:37 <joepie91> DrWhat: I mean as in, what made him do that
12:48:41 <joepie91> DrWhat: and no, there's no SASL
12:48:44 <joepie91> SASL !== SSL
12:48:49 <joepie91> iceTwy: eh...
12:48:54 <joepie91> still a bad idea :P
12:48:56 <iceTwy> and, basically, my script had to pick up a certain directory (to save files to) from a config file
12:48:57 <joepie91> anyway
12:49:05 <joepie91> iceTwy: PM me your SSH pubkey
12:49:10 <iceTwy> joepie91: okay
12:49:12 <joepie91> you'll see why in a moment
12:49:18 <iceTwy> which one? GitHub one?
12:49:22 <iceTwy> I guess, yeah
12:49:24 <joepie91> ... your SSH pubkey...
12:49:26 <joepie91> the one you use
12:49:30 <joepie91> just
12:49:34 <iceTwy> I have 3 different SSH keys ;)
12:49:36 <joepie91> what
12:49:38 <joepie91> why
12:49:46 <iceTwy> github & VPS's
12:49:51 <joepie91> eh?
12:50:00 <iceTwy> it's a matter of security really
12:50:03 <joepie91> what?
12:50:07 <iceTwy> but anyhow! lemme give you my main one
12:50:09 <joepie91> iceTwy, I think you might be misunderstanding how keypairs work
12:50:12 <joepie91> :|
12:50:32 <joepie91> the -point- is that you only need one, and that compromising something you have access to doesn't compromise your keypair
12:50:49 <joepie91> having multiple SSH keys is pointless if they're all stored on the same system
12:51:01 <iceTwy> heh, they're not
12:51:05 <joepie91> wha?
12:51:21 <iceTwy> well I've got my own little setup lol
12:52:01 <joepie91> iceTwy: I am still none the wiser as to how your setup works, and I'm running out of ways to subtly imply that I'd like an explanation :|
12:52:06 <DrWhat> I have 5 SSH keys
12:52:09 <DrWhat> 2 on my pc
12:52:14 <DrWhat> 1 on my tablet
12:52:25 <DrWhat> and the other 2 i dont knwo where they are any more
12:52:43 <iceTwy> joepie91: here it is:
12:52:49 <DrWhat> hehehe
12:52:59 <iceTwy> https://iceb.in/paste/40Tzstqa#obhawgUNsyXcVhkCW2VZqcs0clAt2LBfFpzgRPPoqF0=
12:53:07 <iceTwy> afk noms noms.
12:53:12 <joepie91> nonononono
12:53:16 <joepie91> iceTwy: :|
12:53:24 <joepie91> why go afk now D:
12:56:47 <DrWhat> Laughing out Loud
12:57:11 <DrWhat> joepie91 im still here
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13:47:52 <iceTwy> joepie91: okay back
13:48:10 <joepie91> wb
13:48:11 <joepie91> pm
13:48:12 <joepie91> :P
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14:00:48 <DrWhat> Im backl
14:08:50 <joepie91> wb
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14:38:31 <botpie91> 04iceTwy made 1 commit(s) to 03kasper on branch 10master: '02Merge pull request #1 from iceTwy/masterFix some HTML5 syntax errors' (https://github.com/iceTwy/kasper/compare/e518b9f658...d7d3e150d7)
14:41:32 <botpie91> 04iceTwy made 1 commit(s) to 03kasper on branch 10master: '02Remove useless p tag' (https://github.com/iceTwy/kasper/compare/d7d3e150d7...d39d10f7cf)
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14:53:17 <DrWhat> nice iceTwy
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15:44:31 <joepie91> mmm
15:44:41 * joepie91 is liking his new code style so far
15:45:06 <MK_FG> joepie91, "having multiple SSH keys is pointless if they're all stored on the same system" <-- can be decrypted at diff times (i.e. one of them - like 1/year) :P
15:45:29 <joepie91> MK_FG: don't see how that's any better than just generating a new key every year
15:45:56 <joepie91> unless you expect your PRNG to be compromised in a year or whatever strange scenario
15:46:12 <MK_FG> Much less trouble for tons of systems you access infrequently?
15:46:19 <joepie91> how so?
15:46:37 <MK_FG> No need to update authorized_keys on all of them
15:46:49 <joepie91> eh, that's a 5 minute bash job
15:46:49 <joepie91> at most
15:47:09 <joepie91> scp new_key.pub user@$HOST:/home/user/authorized_keys
15:47:15 <joepie91> foreach $HOST in cat hostsfile
15:47:17 <joepie91> done
15:47:22 <MK_FG> Gotta remember them all too, and that job is a bad idea ;)
15:49:12 <MK_FG> Actually, might be nice to learn to setup ssh with some signed keys
15:49:45 <MK_FG> I.e. put some "root key" there and only unseal (or even plug) it like 1/year to rotate temp keys
15:51:43 <MK_FG> And I think x509 have much more secure encryption for at-rest keys anyway (pkcs8) that openssh also supports for its own keys (to decrypt), but doesn't use ;(
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16:07:37 <joepie91> wb iceTwy
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16:35:07 <dorotea> now I'mma trust usps to get things to her house in time
16:35:09 <dorotea> :/
16:50:39 <IR601> im about to say goodbye to windows as a main os
16:53:16 <joepie91> \o/
16:53:42 <joepie91> IR601: let me know if there's any Windows-only software you need a Linux alternative for, I can probably help with a lot of it
16:53:57 <IR601> sweet :)
16:54:16 <IR601> i still need windows :'( cause of battlefield 4
16:54:52 <IR601> but linux is going on the ssd :D
16:55:30 <IR601> is there anything i need to know about linux on SSD's
16:55:46 <IR601> only root and boot are going on there /home will be on a hdd
16:56:21 <joepie91> IR601: the same thing as for every other OS on an SSD: your SSD will die quickly
16:56:22 <joepie91> (comparatively)
16:56:25 <joepie91> due to wear
16:56:36 <joepie91> if you can, keep /tmp on your HDD
16:56:45 <IR601> ah ok
16:56:45 <joepie91> it will make a massive difference in SSD lifespan
16:57:04 <joepie91> should be peanuts to configure that in Linux :)
16:57:09 <IR601> cant be as bad as having windows on an ssd XD
16:57:14 <joepie91> wel
16:57:20 <joepie91> Windows just throws all its shit on the same filesystem
16:57:22 <joepie91> so that's hardly comparable
16:57:23 <joepie91> lol
16:57:31 <joepie91> "what do you mean that directory has to be on a different fs"
16:57:45 <IR601> lol
16:58:50 <IR601> wish me luck :D
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17:00:31 <joepie91> IR601: what distro will you be using?
17:01:04 <Philosoraptor> www.CryptoHits.info
17:01:23 <Philosoraptor> Supports the following coins:
17:01:23 <Philosoraptor> ADT, ANC, ASC, BBQ, BET, BTB, BTC, BTE, BTG, CGB, CPR, CSC, DGC, DOGE, DVC, FRK, GLD, IFC, JKC, LTC, MEC, MNC, NBL, NET, NMC, NVC, QRK, RYC, SBC, SRC, TRC, UNO, WDC, XPM, ZET
17:02:12 <IR601> opensuse
17:02:31 <dorotea> make uh
17:02:40 <IR601> ive been using it on a seprate hdd for a bit
17:02:41 <dorotea> does opensuse carry new kernels?
17:03:07 <dorotea> ( @ joepie91
17:03:29 <IR601> k bai
17:03:31 <dorotea> cause the last couple have had wonderful ssd features added
17:03:55 <dorotea> trim, recently, and blk-mq in the forthcoming
17:03:58 <joepie91> hmm
17:04:06 <joepie91> I think you can grab newer kernels from the software search
17:04:07 <dorotea> but blk-mq isn't stabled yet
17:04:11 <joepie91> IR601: alright
17:04:12 <dorotea> so whatevs
17:04:14 <joepie91> also
17:04:21 <joepie91> dorotea: afaik... Tumbleweed? has a really new kernel
17:04:22 <joepie91> or Evergreen
17:04:24 <dorotea> not worried about it, but trim is motherfucking important
17:04:25 <joepie91> I keep confusing the two
17:04:28 <joepie91> wait
17:04:31 <joepie91> Evergreen was LTS
17:04:37 <dorotea> so not that one
17:04:51 <joepie91> don't ask me why opensuse uses plant-related shit for their special releases
17:04:51 <joepie91> but eh
17:05:07 <joepie91> http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
17:05:12 <dorotea> until they name it lotus or jade, idc
17:05:13 <dorotea> :D
17:05:18 <joepie91> Who should try Tumbleweed?
17:05:18 <joepie91> Any user who wishes to have newer packages than are available in the openSUSE 12.3 repositories. This includes, but is not limited to, an updated Linux kernel, SAMBA, git, desktops, office applications and many other packages.
17:05:23 <joepie91> keyword: kernel
17:05:29 <dorotea> mm
17:05:31 <IR601> also this is funnt
17:05:31 <IR601> Original Install Date: 22/12/2012, 00:07:37
17:05:34 <IR601> 1 year
17:05:34 <joepie91> it's basically a rolling bleeding-edge release
17:05:35 <IR601> XD
17:05:47 <joepie91> afaik it's reasonably stable, but not perfect
17:05:51 <joepie91> IR601: heh
17:05:55 <joepie91> well timed :P
17:06:21 <joepie91> anyway
17:06:27 <joepie91> IR601: if you want stability
17:06:30 <joepie91> go with 13.1
17:06:36 <joepie91> if you want bleeding edge and occasional breakage, tumbleweed
17:07:15 <joepie91> dorotea: finding kernel version for you now
17:07:27 <joepie91> openSUSE 13.1 ships with the latest patch in the 3.11 kernel series. The brisk development pace of the worldâ??s largest software engineering project has continued, with no less than four releases since the previous openSUSE version, bringing countless features to our users.
17:07:41 <dorotea> 3.11's not bad
17:07:42 <joepie91> so yeah, 3.11
17:08:03 <joepie91> dorotea, overview here: https://news.opensuse.org/2013/11/19/opensuse-13-1-ready-for-action/
17:08:12 <joepie91> I should note that I'm still on 12.3
17:08:22 * dorotea nods
17:08:23 <joepie91> sven@linux-rfa7:~/archival> uname -a
17:08:23 <joepie91> Linux linux-rfa7.site 3.10.20-1-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 29 19:20:20 UTC 2013 (8038aea) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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17:08:42 <dorotea> according to the internet, trim support has been around for a bit so maybe it just got polished recently
17:08:44 * dorotea duno
17:09:06 <dorotea> huh, preempt kernel
17:09:07 <dorotea> weird
17:09:10 <joepie91> holy crap, what is this: https://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/GNOME_Boxes_13.1.png
17:09:24 <joepie91> wow
17:09:27 <joepie91> a KVM frontend apparently
17:09:32 <joepie91> fuck, that looks sexy
17:10:22 <dorotea> hmm, must be time to pack
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17:26:44 <IR601> HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.11.6-4-desktop x86_64 ** Distro: openSUSE 13.1 (x86_64) ** CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 950 @ 3.07GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.00GHz ** RAM: Physical: 11.8GB, 85.2% free ** Disk: Total: 925.7GB, 55.4% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 [GeForce GTX 680] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8110SC/8169SC Gigabit E
17:26:44 <IR601> thernet ** Uptime: 19m 40s **
17:26:48 <IR601> ^_^
17:26:56 <IR601> just taring home
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17:32:04 <joepie91> IR601: whoop
17:32:15 <joepie91> oh, IR601, one sec
17:32:41 <joepie91> IR601: _IF_ you want/need proprietary drivers for your card, http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_drivers
17:33:01 <joepie91> if you have no particular need for it (ie. no need for WebGL or certain features), I'd recommend sticking with nouveau
17:33:07 <joepie91> nouveau is pretty damn solid
17:33:10 <IR601> thanks joe i already got that sorted on this install
17:33:19 <joepie91> alright :P
17:33:24 <IR601> im just gonna redo the whole lot
17:33:30 <joepie91> figured I'd link before you tried to hand-compile your GFX drivers
17:33:43 <joepie91> which, while it works temporarily, will eventually break your shit
17:33:53 <joepie91> and is generally a bad idea
17:34:03 <IR601> yeah i learnt that on my laptop with a ubuntu install
17:34:20 <IR601> kernel upgrade and everything went tits up
17:34:21 <joepie91> Xorg ABI changes are the devil, if you run hand-compiled drivers
17:34:29 <joepie91> same for kernel upgrades, if you use nvidia drivers
17:34:34 <joepie91> afaik ATI drivers can deal with that now
17:34:44 <joepie91> but if you upgrade Xorg, you're still fucked
17:34:47 <joepie91> lol
17:35:15 <joepie91> fucking with the GFX drivers is by far the easiest way to bring down a Linux system
17:35:28 <joepie91> unless you really need to, just never touch them :P
17:35:37 <joepie91> the easiest accidental way *
17:36:21 <IR601> XD
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17:43:17 <MK_FG> IR601, If you use dm-crypt and/or lvm, you might want to enable discards (TRIM ata command) in both of them - should probably help ssd's a lot (both with write amplification and wear)
17:44:14 <MK_FG> (in case of dm-crypt, it usually goes into /etc/crypttab for cryptsetup)
17:45:01 <IR601> sweet nice tips
17:46:07 <MK_FG> Maybe better tip would be to read cryptsetup faq about security implications of enabling that trim thing ;)
17:46:50 <MK_FG> Also, not sure why lvm actually have it disabled by default, might also be something undesirable, but can't really think of anyting
17:48:29 * dorotea goes home for break
17:48:33 <MK_FG> And I think for opensuse you might also want to rebuild initramfs (dracut) for new /etc/crypttab to take effect, if it's used for rootfs
17:49:18 <dorotea> bye joepie91 ! and MK_FG
17:49:27 <dorotea> tweet at me if you need me :)
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17:49:40 <MK_FG> bb
17:50:16 <joepie91> bah, too late to say bai
17:50:24 <joepie91> I hate when that happens
17:50:46 <MK_FG> Is it my pirated kerbal space program, or proper version crashes like every 10mins as well?
17:52:16 <MK_FG> joepie91, Actually, doesn't opensuse use systemd these days?
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17:57:57 <joepie91> MK_FG: uh...
17:57:59 <joepie91> how would I check
17:58:00 <joepie91> lol
17:59:37 <MK_FG> # which systemctl :P
17:59:59 <joepie91> sven@linux-rfa7:~/archival> which systemctl
17:59:59 <joepie91> /usr/bin/systemctl
18:00:05 <MK_FG> \o/
18:00:25 <MK_FG> Just noticed your comment about /tmp and was wondering...
18:00:38 <MK_FG> systemd should always mount /tmp as tmpfs by itself, I think
18:00:53 <MK_FG> (unless you override that in fstab)
18:01:36 * joepie91 realizes he should probably do a test restore of his incremental backups some time soon
18:01:38 <MK_FG> Also, you have stuff like journalctl (structured logging) and all the other goodies there ;)
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19:00:22 <dorotea> just kidding, missed the bus
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19:09:10 <MK_FG> The bus? Weren't you more of a bike person?
19:21:07 <dorotea> not riding my bike 300 miles
19:21:08 <dorotea> sorry
19:21:14 <dorotea> MK_FG:) ^
19:21:41 <MK_FG> 300 miles sounds a lot for a bus too ;)
19:21:51 <dorotea> nah man
19:22:16 <dorotea> I'm just pissed cause by catching the next bus there's bigger waits involved
19:22:21 <dorotea> gonna take 8 hours to travel instead of 5
19:22:48 <dorotea> also fuck does syncing the blockchain annihilate my load
19:22:53 <dorotea> 11:22:35 up 6 days, 12:51, 2 users, load average: 5.31, 4.97, 2.87
19:22:58 <dorotea> ffffff
19:23:47 <MK_FG> I'd check if it constantly does fsync()
19:24:48 <MK_FG> Iirc cjd said it does the thing like mad and that causes a lot of load along with io from its db backend (and maybe other stuff you have running)
19:25:31 <MK_FG> Guess leveldb (or whatever they use these days) might be the cause, but can be fixable regardless, if that's the case
19:33:28 <dorotea> ahh. maybe someone should fix it
19:33:46 <dorotea> it sucks all my IO out and that's what chrome is most heavily dependent on (due to their 13 layers salad of caching)
19:38:11 <MK_FG> I wonder if it's more of a "not a bug" territory - dbs are designed to be "reliable" like that, and I don't think there's a way to make hdd flush just some part of the data - it's write barriers or nothing
19:39:23 <MK_FG> But linux itself probably doesn't have to flush all the stuff from caches too if you have enough ram
19:40:26 <MK_FG> Maybe you should download the whole thing from torrents or http as one chunk anyway?
19:42:12 <dorotea> I'm not syncing the whole thing, just the last two weeks
19:42:16 <dorotea> since I last launched
19:42:36 <dorotea> it's been running for 20m now, just nearly caught up
19:42:48 <dorotea> load of 3-7 the whole time
19:43:07 <dorotea> I'd rather it just pulled the blocks into ram and wrote them out batchwise
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19:43:28 <MK_FG> I'd get some LD_PRELOAD code to no-op fsync/fdatasync then :P
19:44:30 <dorotea> :>
19:44:46 <dorotea> hand that data to the kernel and be like "here, you deal with it. I don't wanna"
19:45:20 <MK_FG> Well, unless your machine tend to crash every few minutes, I'd think it should be safe ;)
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19:45:27 <dorotea> yeah, basically
19:45:36 <MK_FG> And should probably speed the thing up, so less risk even if it does!
19:45:58 <dorotea> but the thing is, if they kept track of what had been known written (like ask the OS to notify when done writing X data chunks), it'd be fine
19:46:10 <dorotea> It's also fucking irrelevant since the index is reverified every damn launch
19:46:49 <dorotea> that's like big issue
19:47:00 <dorotea> it doesn't keep to the idea of only doing work when you absolutely have to
19:47:22 <dorotea> not doing that makes sense if everyone's going to be mining all the time, but that's an assumption that hasn't been true for a couple years now
19:47:26 <MK_FG> You mean it reads the GiBs of db blocks and checks everything? Sounds unlikely even for the most paranoid app ;)
19:47:57 <dorotea> nah, it rechecks the index not the blockchain db. index is much smaller
19:48:02 <MK_FG> Also, aren't there better ways to work with BTCs without whole blockchain anyway?
19:48:13 <dorotea> yeah, the new thing they're going to do
19:48:16 <dorotea> pruned db or whatever
19:48:21 <MK_FG> SPV or something
19:48:23 <dorotea> only keeping the most recent balances of all wallets
19:48:24 <dorotea> yeah
19:48:50 <dorotea> keeps the database linear in size with the number of people having used it, instead of linear with number of blocks exchanged
19:49:09 <dorotea> one of those two is problematically large
19:49:14 <dorotea> I'll let you figure which
19:49:26 <MK_FG> Why not both?
19:50:54 <dorotea> then you end up with three (four?) client types?
19:51:15 <dorotea> thin (web-backed), medium (spv), and full which would run both?
19:51:38 <dorotea> (both being full blockchain with index and spv)
19:51:39 <MK_FG> Guess that's how it kinda is now ;)
19:51:44 <dorotea> yeah
19:51:53 <MK_FG> "thin" is these exchanges
19:52:04 <MK_FG> And misc scammy sites like btc banks
19:52:04 <dorotea> I was thinking... electrum
19:53:25 <MK_FG> But I wonder if number of keys should also be problematic, though guess they'll fix it eventually by discarding the "dust" keys, or maybe already did
19:53:51 <dorotea> ones with no balance?
19:53:57 <dorotea> that was my assumption
19:54:01 <dorotea> hence linear scaling with "usage"
19:54:08 <MK_FG> With 0.00000001 balance, like all satoshi dice keys :P
19:54:18 <dorotea> if the address has no balance at all, no need to track
19:54:33 <Philosoraptor> Seen? www.CryptoHits.info
19:54:37 <MK_FG> Well, just needs proper definition for "no balance" ;)
19:55:09 <MK_FG> Philosoraptor, Are you a spam bot?
19:55:33 <Philosoraptor> Nope
19:55:43 <MK_FG> It talks! Shoot it!!!
19:55:54 * Philosoraptor slaps a MK_FG around a bit with a triforce!
19:56:37 <dorotea> I don't think there's a definition other than the common speech one
19:56:46 <dorotea> no satoshi = empty
19:57:08 <dorotea> what've we got, like 8 decimal places right now
19:57:11 <MK_FG> Keys reciting bible in the chain are not "empty"
19:57:17 <MK_FG> But have the minimal amount
19:57:24 <MK_FG> So are the millions of dice keys
19:57:28 <MK_FG> Same for other crap
19:57:37 <dorotea> do they have a btc associated with them?
19:57:49 <MK_FG> And there's a practical DoS attack for spamming these, I think
19:57:53 <MK_FG> Yep
19:57:59 <dorotea> if the tx is empty of satoshi, discard
19:58:09 <MK_FG> Veery veeeery few btc :P
19:58:15 <dorotea> but if they want to tack a message on (which seems to be a thing), better have some satoshi or it gets pruned
19:58:35 <dorotea> that seems fine to me, but maybe introduces issues like stupid people
19:58:36 <dorotea> lol
19:58:47 <MK_FG> That's a new thing, in ye olde days they just used a pubkey bit for message
19:58:49 <dorotea> idiots who are too cheap to pay for their message to be stored globally
19:59:00 <dorotea> lmao
19:59:28 <MK_FG> If you didn't see it, there's like a part of bible in the blockchain that way and other crap
19:59:41 <MK_FG> And actually no way to prove it's not a valid keys ;)
19:59:58 <dorotea> yeah, I know, one of the big mining guys is a heavy fucking christian and does shit like that
20:00:28 <dorotea> well yeah but that's what I mean, if the tx has no satoshi associated with it and it's got a message, it should be dropped
20:00:42 <dorotea> you're essentially NOT paying for the entire world to store your message for perpetuity
20:00:47 <dorotea> which makes you an asshole
20:01:15 <dorotea> libertarian wet dreams aside
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20:02:30 <dorotea> it's like how they've been slowly clamping down on protocol conformance
20:03:42 <dorotea> HAHAHA
20:03:42 <dorotea> http://engineering.stanford.edu/news/stanford-biologist-computer-scientist-discover-anternet
20:03:53 <dorotea> short version: ants use TCP slow start algorithm to determine where food is
20:04:12 <dorotea> EXCELLENT
20:04:18 <MK_FG> Heh, yeah, ant highways are made of ferromones
20:04:23 <dorotea> I WELCOME OUR NEW SIX-LEGGED OVERLORDS
20:04:41 <MK_FG> Send scouts, if they get back, few more follow their now-strong scent path
20:04:56 <dorotea> continue doubling rate until no food
20:04:58 <MK_FG> Straight from Pratchett ;)
20:05:02 <dorotea> yap :>
20:05:09 <MK_FG> Or something kills them on the other end ;)
20:05:11 <dorotea> shit's funny
20:05:27 <dorotea> people look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them everything is the same, just repurposed
20:06:05 <dorotea> I was talking to people at a security conference last weekend and some people gave me GREAT fucking looks when I was telling them you can apply social theory to programming constructs and vice-versa
20:06:25 <dorotea> same shit, different terminology guys
20:07:14 <dorotea> harm reduction methodology is pretty similar to defensive programming or so, like the shit they use (tbh, should use) in mission critical scenarios
20:07:41 <dorotea> where errors must be "rolled with" and the program essentially isn't allowed to crash
20:08:00 <MK_FG> Heheh, it's more like sysadmin's job
20:08:05 <dorotea> yeah
20:08:15 <dorotea> it's fun shit, but like this is my major
20:08:28 <dorotea> I'm literally majoring in crossapplication of theories like that
20:08:43 <dorotea> I mean talk about liberal fucking arts
20:08:48 <dorotea> :D
20:09:05 <dorotea> my favorite question is "what will you do with your degree"
20:09:12 <dorotea> because there literally can be no answer
20:09:54 <MK_FG> If your degree is to 100% predict the future, maybe when you get it, there will be!
20:10:06 <dorotea> pretty much
20:10:18 <dorotea> I mean the thing is, it's entirely focused around problems with globalization
20:10:36 <dorotea> so, while it's not really directly applicable to much, it's indirectly applicable to everything
20:10:52 <MK_FG> Hmm
20:11:00 <dorotea> globalizing world? I HAVE A DEGREE IN THAT
20:11:06 * dorotea kekeke's
20:11:07 <MK_FG> Maybe start a scientology-like anti-globalist cult?
20:11:14 <dorotea> which one
20:11:16 <dorotea> >_>
20:11:17 <dorotea> :D
20:11:27 <MK_FG> Your very own one!
20:11:33 <dorotea> oh
20:11:39 <dorotea> I don't like that much attention
20:12:00 <dorotea> and I don't really want to go breaking into fbi offices to make sure I'm tax exempt
20:12:06 <MK_FG> So... you just need to get a proper sock-puppet figurehead first
20:12:29 <dorotea> lol go coopt idle no more
20:12:34 <dorotea> oh man
20:12:42 <dorotea> I'm not THAT much of a dick
20:12:58 <dorotea> or uh
20:13:06 <MK_FG> It's not dick if you do it for TEH GREATER GOOD
20:13:07 <dorotea> actually it'd be cool to change la via campesinas
20:13:15 <dorotea> cause they embrace the gpl, which is satan
20:13:53 <dorotea> using a modified gpl to license all seed germplasm, so biotech companies are forced to release shit to the public
20:14:03 <dorotea> except it's gpl based, which means you're not openly licensing it
20:14:12 <dorotea> you're telling adults what to do with their stuff
20:14:17 <dorotea> not acceptable to me
20:14:39 <dorotea> it creates a commons, but that commons is enforced by law and not social norms
20:14:48 <dorotea> and it's not an open commons
20:15:04 <dorotea> it only accepts new things, you can't ever remove things
20:15:12 <dorotea> fuck virus like shit lol
20:15:15 <MK_FG> Hey, don't be a dick to open data :P
20:16:30 <dorotea> yeah but I hate the concept of telling adults what they can do with stuff
20:16:55 <dorotea> I prefer to just disclaim "if you do something stupid, you're on your own"
20:17:05 <MK_FG> Do you believe that all adults are created equal?
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20:17:34 <dorotea> created? yeah
20:17:46 <dorotea> doesn't mean they're raised equal or socialized equal
20:18:15 <MK_FG> So why not "protect" or "guide" or "help" the ones that don't work "well enough"?
20:18:31 <MK_FG> ...by helpful open licensing
20:18:35 <dorotea> that's what system defaults are for
20:18:51 <dorotea> defaulting open versus closed would already be a monumental change
20:29:03 <dorotea> interesting
20:29:10 <dorotea> there's an ISO standard for bibliographic citations
20:29:23 <dorotea> I wish it wasn't 140chf or I'd buy it
20:30:25 <MK_FG> What's chf?
20:30:27 <dorotea> (why do we have to pay for public standards?)
20:30:37 <MK_FG> Because profit!
20:30:38 <dorotea> swiss franc
20:30:47 <dorotea> ~160$
20:31:05 <MK_FG> How the hell "ch" means "swiss"!?
20:31:50 <dorotea> they /are/ .ch
20:32:14 <dorotea> hmm
20:32:19 <dorotea> now I have to figure out how to get my hands on it
20:32:32 <dorotea> I want to learn iso690 style citations instead of mla or apa or turabian or such
20:32:45 <dorotea> just to fuck with my teachers
20:32:46 <dorotea> lol
20:33:21 <dorotea> "I don't recognize this citation system, but it's readable" "Yeah, that's because it's an ISO standard, not some fucking style manual made by dead tree industries"
20:34:00 <MK_FG> ISOs probably also have their share of crap
20:34:23 <MK_FG> "Federal Chancellery of Switzerland"
20:34:39 <dorotea> absolutely, but it's not like the others don't
20:34:41 <MK_FG> "Christian Democratic People's Party of Switzerland"
20:34:48 <dorotea> fucking mla7 allows you to omit urls
20:35:03 <dorotea> like, who the fuck thought THAT was a good idea
20:35:07 <MK_FG> And there I thought swiss were kinda ok
20:35:24 <dorotea> their argument is that urls change a lot, and dead urls are a thing, so don't include urls cause it might change
20:35:37 <dorotea> which is dumb because if you don't have the original YOU CAN'T GO FIND IT IN THE INTERNET ARCHIVE
20:35:55 <dorotea> fucking idiots
20:36:15 <MK_FG> Who knows if Internet Archive stuff is made up by some crazy bearded Scott fellow
20:37:39 <dorotea> yes, because bearded scott makes shit up all the time
20:37:40 <dorotea> :D
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20:39:45 <MK_FG> I bet he's paid off by Ministry of Truth to control Teh Past
20:42:15 * dorotea pimpslaps MK_FG for insinuating bad things about MiniTru
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20:43:17 <MK_FG> It's Teh Right Thing, not a bad thing!
20:47:00 <iceTwy> I AM RIGHT
20:47:04 <iceTwy> THEREFORE I SHALL DO
20:47:06 <iceTwy> LALALALALA
20:47:51 * dorotea awaits the Thought Police's arrival at iceTwy's abode
20:48:34 <dorotea> man, funniest shit I saw on twitter today
20:48:43 <dorotea> al qaeda blew something up in yemen
20:48:52 <dorotea> and there was some collateral damage
20:48:59 <dorotea> so they paid the families for their losses
20:49:20 <dorotea> think about how different the world would be if we did that
20:49:45 <iceTwy> wait, did they?
20:49:47 <iceTwy> oO
20:51:08 <dorotea> for my purposes, the truth doesn't actually matter. It might just be propaganda, but it's one hell of a thing to think about
20:52:13 <dorotea> oooh, conversation is fascinating though https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/414808257900068864
20:52:17 <dorotea> (that's the tweet)
20:53:46 <dorotea> they would benefit massively p/r wise from following through with the payment promise
20:54:06 <dorotea> it would other things aside, show them as better than that which they are fighting
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21:29:19 <iceTwy> ~lala~
21:42:13 * dorotea throws spoons at iceTwy
21:45:32 <dorotea> mmmm
21:48:25 <botpie91> 04iceTwy made 2 commit(s) to 03kasper on branch 10master: '02Merge pull request #3 from iceTwy/masterRemove useless p tag', '02Fix incorrect time datetime format' (https://github.com/iceTwy/kasper/compare/d39d10f7cf...e9d8a59278)
21:54:19 <iceTwy> wat
21:54:25 <iceTwy> dorotea: such discrimination
21:54:26 <iceTwy> wow
21:54:38 <iceTwy> why would you throw a spoon in your iceTea
21:54:40 <iceTwy> :(
21:54:45 * iceTwy feels
21:57:47 <dorotea> ice-twee is not ice-tea
21:58:57 <iceTwy> theorically it should be "ice-twai"
21:59:00 <iceTwy> as in, kawai
21:59:19 <dorotea> yeah but I pronounce it in english
21:59:37 <dorotea> accord to rules I've just made up
21:59:38 <dorotea> :D
22:00:08 <dorotea> hmm
22:01:03 <MK_FG> It's not the spoons that are scary... it's the forks
22:01:39 <dorotea> :O
22:01:44 <dorotea> someone offered to review my paper
22:01:45 <dorotea> :O
22:01:54 <dorotea> well fuck, now I HAVE to finish it
22:02:11 <dorotea> (probably spend tomorrow working on it, heh)
22:02:13 <iceTwy> MK_FG: harrharr
22:02:34 <iceTwy> I shall impale you wit mein fork
22:02:49 * dorotea overdoses on caffeine before getting on a bus
22:03:02 <iceTwy> ^ I know this feeling, dorotea
22:03:14 <dorotea> DRINK DRINK DRINK DRINK
22:03:24 <dorotea> I made a whole press of coffeee
22:03:31 <dorotea> like fucking hell I'mma waste a drop
22:04:13 <iceTwy> some day I'll get a cup of that $50-a-cup coffee
22:04:21 <iceTwy> Black Ivory coffee from Thailand, I believe
22:04:30 <dorotea> the cat poop coffee?
22:04:34 <dorotea> civet, rather
22:04:40 <iceTwy> elephant poop
22:04:41 <iceTwy> lol
22:04:46 <dorotea> mmm
22:04:52 <dorotea> I'll get some esmerelda geisha someday
22:05:00 <iceTwy> hm
22:05:09 <dorotea> I've been told it's delicious, from a small farm in panama
22:05:11 <iceTwy> the question is; why the hell didn't I have some of this coffee when I was in Thailand
22:05:13 <iceTwy> ..
22:05:19 <iceTwy> < noobTwy (tm)
22:05:23 <dorotea> yeah man
22:05:29 <dorotea> failing to take in the culture
22:05:31 <dorotea> derp
22:05:38 <iceTwy> lmao
22:05:52 <iceTwy> seriously tho, Thailand really is a great place
22:07:25 <dorotea> yeah
22:08:15 <iceTwy> oh god
22:08:20 <iceTwy> YouTube's UI has changed
22:08:22 <iceTwy> AGAIN
22:08:55 <dorotea> I fucking hope so
22:09:02 <dorotea> which one did you get
22:09:03 <dorotea> :D
22:10:01 <iceTwy> lol
22:10:20 <iceTwy> wait
22:10:30 <iceTwy> eating panettone with tequila
22:10:45 <iceTwy> oO
22:10:55 <dorotea> wat is that word
22:10:58 <dorotea> panettone
22:11:07 <iceTwy> it's that Italian, sorta celebration cake
22:11:17 <dorotea> huh
22:11:32 <dorotea> kings cake <3
22:11:34 <iceTwy> this
22:11:36 <iceTwy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panettone
22:11:55 <iceTwy> when I see its shape and height all I think of is "noms noms NOMS!1"
22:12:50 <dorotea> dude
22:12:51 <dorotea> same shit
22:12:57 <dorotea> In South America, especially in Peru, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Venezuela, Colombia, Bolivia, and Chile, it is a Christmas dinner staple and in some places replaces roscón de reyes/bolo rei (King cake).
22:13:12 <dorotea> it's the same idea, just diff culture
22:13:13 <dorotea> lol
22:13:37 <dorotea> wppt.
22:14:05 <dorotea> haha fucking android
22:14:11 <dorotea> damn phone updates all the apps without asking
22:14:21 <dorotea> newest spyware: INSTALLED
22:14:33 <dorotea> (at least they keep it up to date, heh)
22:14:54 <iceTwy> yeah
22:14:56 <iceTwy> definitely
22:15:25 <iceTwy> that's one bad side of Android lol. but at least it asks for your approval when apps are trying to get new permissions
22:19:34 <dorotea> I mean I honestly don't care
22:20:33 <iceTwy> yeah.
22:20:42 <iceTwy> WELL YOU SHOULD
22:20:43 <iceTwy> a bit at least
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