Cryto! 19 December 2013
00:00:44 <Philosoraptor> http://www.naaij.org/2013/12/18/greenwald-testifies-before-eu-parliament-nsa-goal-to-eliminate-privacy-worldwide/
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00:15:01 <dorotea> haha
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00:15:22 <dorotea> the un vote will be called ineffectual by detractors
00:15:45 <dorotea> because it's a statement of principles and "carries no law behind it"
00:15:53 <dorotea> no teeth, w/e
00:16:16 <dorotea> problem is, if you're not the USA, you actually follow those stated norms most of the time
00:16:29 <dorotea> stated norms are how the internet works, after all
00:17:02 <dorotea> it's also why I was gushing when the ietf announced it needed to decentralize both leadership and infrastructure away from the US
00:17:16 <dorotea> no rules, no time frame, nothing, but "we should move in this direction"
00:17:32 <dorotea> I think often cynics do not see how powerful norms are
00:17:47 <dorotea> or perhaps just seek counterexamples, of which there are often many
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03:35:03 <Philosoraptor> http://www.vancouversun.com/business/technology/Anonymous+hackers+plead+guilty+Paypal+attack/9270198/story.html
03:36:27 <dorotea> is that the paypal 14?
03:37:08 <dorotea> If so, I prefer you listen to their lawyer talk instead of some newpaper twat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39swF-0JMgc
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03:55:36 <Philosoraptor> Article cites 13
03:56:10 <dorotea> one was tried separately, which you'd know if you watched that video
03:56:27 <Philosoraptor> im getting to it
03:56:34 <dorotea> well hurry up :D
03:57:10 <Philosoraptor> Buffering
03:57:55 <Philosoraptor> lol "if there is no new criminal behavior....of consequence"
03:58:51 <Philosoraptor> everyday criminal behavior is fine, carry on
04:03:32 <dorotea> "as long as they don't get caught"
04:03:49 <dorotea> what he means is that parking tickets don't mean they get thrown back in jail
04:04:01 <dorotea> NP: [Vono Box - Hello Joe] [Electro Swing] [902kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6
04:07:28 <dorotea> or, like,
04:07:29 <dorotea> NP: [Notorious B.I.G. - Mo Money Mo Problems (Radio Mix)] [Mo Money Mo Problems] [999kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6
04:22:16 <joepie91> dorotea: http://feeds.falkvinge.net/~r/Falkvinge-on-Infopolicy/~3/YGfLId8f6ug/
04:22:16 <joepie91> .title
04:22:17 <botpie91> joepie91: Ideas Can't Be Property. Can Dirt? - Falkvinge on Infopolicy
04:22:46 <dorotea> didn't sleep much?
04:22:56 <dorotea> or have I just been working on this damn paper that long
04:22:58 <dorotea> lol
04:23:22 <joepie91> latter
04:23:28 <joepie91> I slepf ro... 8 hours?
04:23:30 <joepie91> for *
04:23:33 <joepie91> slept*
04:23:40 <joepie91> my typing skills haven'tt woken up yet it seems
04:23:41 <joepie91> haven't*
04:23:48 <dorotea> fuck
04:23:56 <dorotea> welp, page 4 here we come
04:23:57 <dorotea> lol
04:24:10 <dorotea> (I need 5 full pages e.e)
04:24:29 <dorotea> I have almost 3 e.e
04:26:35 <joepie91> LOL
04:26:37 <joepie91> .title http://feeds.falkvinge.net/~r/Falkvinge-on-Infopolicy/~3/weYTEv9mrlM/
04:26:38 <botpie91> joepie91: NSA Fallout Hits American Business To The Tune Of Four Billion Dollars: Brazil Ditches Boeing, Buys Gripen - Falkvinge on Infopolicy
04:26:46 <joepie91> oh man
04:26:50 <joepie91> dorotea: time for popcorn
04:26:56 <joepie91> countries doing boycotts
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04:27:52 <Charles> .bitcoin
04:27:54 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $555.29, 1 BTC = €420.00
04:27:54 <dorotea> yep
04:28:06 <Charles> crash
04:28:08 <dorotea> did you see the loss cisco announced?
04:28:17 <dorotea> like, their sales tanked this quarter
04:28:21 <dorotea> fucking TANKED
04:28:38 <Charles> just a speculation
04:28:47 <Charles> with belief in it
04:28:56 <dorotea> price collapsed because china's rules changed
04:28:57 <Charles> like collecting ancient artpieces
04:29:02 <Charles> barter trade
04:29:28 <Charles> bbl
04:31:45 <joepie91> dorotea: heh
04:31:51 <joepie91> staticsafe: any luck setting up cryto-status yet?
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05:06:41 <dorotea> ugh
05:06:44 * dorotea writes writes writes
05:09:06 <joepie91> dorotea: know what
05:09:15 <joepie91> urpad is worse, disk I/O-wise, than santrex was
05:09:26 <dorotea> how do you even do that
05:09:31 <joepie91> I just stared at `tahoe start` running for 2 minutes
05:09:36 <joepie91> normal start-up time is between 1 and 10 seconds
05:09:53 <joepie91> best part
05:10:00 <joepie91> this operation took about 10 seconds: Removing stale pidfile /home/tahoe/.tahoe/twistd.pid
05:10:08 <joepie91> dorotea: massively overloading servers
05:10:24 <dorotea> wow
05:10:47 <dorotea> what kernel? maybe they should move to 3.13 and 3.14 for blk-mq
05:10:48 <joepie91> oh, and it went down twice yesterday
05:10:58 <joepie91> 45 minutes first time because I made a ticket
05:11:07 <joepie91> 2:45 hours second time when I DIDN'T make a ticket
05:11:11 <joepie91> guessing they don't have internal monitoring in place...
05:11:17 <joepie91> (cause: kernel panic, had to reboot node)
05:11:23 <joepie91> dorotea: it's openvz, no 3.x kernels
05:11:29 <joepie91> the problem isn't a kernel issue
05:11:41 <joepie91> but a let's-cram-hundreds-of-VPSes-onto-one-node problem
05:13:03 <dorotea> :|
05:13:13 <dorotea> also, woot linux
05:13:23 <dorotea> you can do that, even if it's unhappy about it
05:23:43 <joepie91> lol
05:23:54 <joepie91> "it's not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination, but you _can_ do it!"
05:27:14 <dorotea> :>
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06:15:32 <dorotea> heh, this essay is turning out
06:15:37 <dorotea> joepie91:) :D
06:15:42 <dorotea> close close
06:15:57 <dorotea> finish the last argument paragraph and then conclude
06:15:58 <dorotea> then done!
06:36:08 <joepie91> dorotea: gratz :)
06:36:42 <dorotea> I mean I've been on imgur since I said that
06:36:45 <dorotea> but like, yeah
06:36:47 * dorotea giggles
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07:01:35 <joepie91> heh
07:01:38 <joepie91> pro-crastination
07:01:40 <joepie91> emphasis on pro!
07:04:21 <dorotea> absolutely
07:04:36 <dorotea> I told my teacher I'd have the essay to her tonight
07:04:40 <dorotea> 55m left
07:04:41 <dorotea> :D
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07:40:00 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
07:40:00 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-12-19#T07-40-00
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07:54:24 <dorotea> fuck
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07:54:26 <dorotea> kay, done
07:54:30 <dorotea> I sent it in
07:54:46 <dorotea> two papers tomorrow, one is already written
07:54:58 <dorotea> maybe three, if I can manage it
07:55:05 <dorotea> but I've gotta go grocery shopping
07:56:53 <dorotea> and then friday is my history paper, and I'm done
07:56:55 <dorotea> fuck, too many papers
07:56:56 <dorotea> lol
07:59:16 <dorotea> that's the shit though
07:59:31 <dorotea> my grades are so good in these classes that all I have to do is complete the fucking papers
07:59:35 <dorotea> they don't even have to be done well
08:00:11 <dorotea> the history paper is the only one I'm shafting. I'll have the rest in by the due date
08:00:19 <dorotea> which is EXCELLENT
08:00:45 <dorotea> gotta choose your late penalties (if they happen) carefully :D
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08:46:38 <macbeth> Very helpful site for design: http://www.colorpicker.com/
08:48:45 <macbeth> Which design looks better?
08:48:45 <macbeth> http://puu.sh/5Rx4a.png
08:48:51 <macbeth> http://puu.sh/5Rx4q.png
08:49:08 <macbeth> I dont rly like the black but i think that the two greens fight with each other
08:49:18 <joepie91> I don't like either
08:49:26 <joepie91> but I also don't like the text
08:49:27 <joepie91> nor the idea
08:49:28 <joepie91> so eh
08:49:29 <joepie91> :|
08:50:27 * macbeth cuts with a plastic knife
09:06:59 <multihate> will the banks fight against bitcoin (after the fbi sold the silkroad wallet of course)?
09:07:54 <macbeth> fuck
09:07:55 <macbeth> them
09:08:38 <multihate> dont you think they have enough power to close down the whole bitcoin market?
09:09:03 <multihate> i mean, they are the ones that will be losing alot of money with btc
09:09:54 <multihate> its funny how alot of countries are warning about btc, but the usa keeps supporting
09:10:30 <multihate> maybe because they have to wait til the wallet is really seized
09:11:55 <multihate> after the process against the silkroad owner they need to drive the price high for a good sell
09:12:07 <multihate> and then?
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09:13:12 <multihate> alot of countries want to see a regulation of the bitcoin market
09:13:27 <DrWhat> regulation...
09:13:41 <DrWhat> Never, Gona, happen
09:13:48 <macbeth> ^^
09:13:59 <multihate> i think the bankers are afraid to lose the credid card and private account market
09:14:40 <multihate> too much money they would lose when btc becomes mainstream
09:15:52 <multihate> i bet they are already inventing scenarios how to destroy btc
09:16:03 <multihate> or they already did
09:16:54 <macbeth> they can regulate and make lawn until they are red int he face
09:17:04 <DrWhat> 0,1|¯¯|__ /¯/\¯\|¯¯|__
09:17:04 <DrWhat> |____ |\_\/_/|____ |
09:17:09 <macbeth> there will always be ppl like us that will get around it and use torrents and shit
09:17:18 <DrWhat> ^^
09:17:22 <multihate> simply forbid all transactions fiat-btc
09:17:29 <DrWhat> 1 of them will prolly open a BTC bank
09:17:37 <multihate> because of money laudering
09:18:08 <multihate> no more goods for btc
09:18:14 <multihate> btc dead
09:18:38 <multihate> or more something like linden dollars maybe
09:19:13 <macbeth> fuck
09:19:14 <macbeth> the
09:19:17 <macbeth> rules
09:20:18 <multihate> usa supports btc until they sold the silkroad wallet
09:25:14 <macbeth> https://twitter.com/MacbethIsFree/status/413600505735020544
09:38:21 <joepie91> <multihate>dont you think they have enough power to close down the whole bitcoin market?
09:38:22 <joepie91> no
09:38:23 <joepie91> they do not
09:38:30 <joepie91> no amount of political blah blah beats cryptography
09:38:44 <joepie91> <macbeth>they can regulate and make lawn until they are red int he face
09:38:46 <joepie91> pretty much this
09:38:59 <joepie91> <multihate>simply forbid all transactions fiat-btc
09:39:03 <joepie91> this hasn't worked for torrents
09:39:05 <joepie91> and it won't work for BTC
09:39:10 <macbeth> mhmm
09:48:25 <DrWhat> 10(150914:153910) <joepie91> and it won't work for BTC
09:48:27 <DrWhat> Again
09:48:34 <DrWhat> Cryptography
09:48:44 <DrWhat> it didnt work for tor either
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10:04:25 <pzuraq> joepie91: pong
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10:40:15 <DrWhat> I wana fuck you in the ass, i wana fuck you in the ass come now
10:43:53 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02update version compatibility for the GAMS plugin', '02Merge pull request #2505 from lolow/masterupdate version compatibility for the GAMS plugin' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/3d80d083f8...7d947a2b65)
10:48:01 <DrWhat> Good work who ever you are :/
10:48:26 <DrWhat> joepie91 have you been following lime text?
11:03:33 <joepie91> DrWhat: not really
11:03:41 <joepie91> and oh god not again
11:03:46 <joepie91> <DrWhat>Cryptography
11:03:46 <joepie91> <DrWhat>it didnt work for tor either
11:03:54 <DrWhat> :/
11:03:56 <joepie91> please tell me what the bullshit non-existent FUD "TOR exploit" of the day is
11:04:11 <DrWhat> :\
11:04:28 <DrWhat> i think joepie91 has been on the wakey backey today
11:04:36 <DrWhat> wacky backy*
11:05:07 <DrWhat> 4/8!4\ 14* 14 joepie91 is looking for you in the channel in 7 #crytocc on 7 Cryto-IRC 4/8!4\
11:05:11 <DrWhat> At leasted that worked :D
11:05:50 <joepie91> DrWhat: I am just getting very tired of people shouting "OMG TOR IS BROKEN/VULN/WHATEVER" every other fucking day
11:06:01 <joepie91> when in reality they haven't bothered to look into the claim
11:06:20 <DrWhat> joepie91 Im going to do a you
11:06:31 <DrWhat> i suggest you go back and read what was said
11:06:42 <joepie91> this crap has somehow gotten more and more common in the past few weeks
11:08:03 <DrWhat> Have you read it yet.
11:09:42 <joepie91> DrWhat: there is nothing to read
11:10:13 <DrWhat> 10(150914:153810) <joepie91> no
11:10:14 <DrWhat> 10(150914:153810) <joepie91> they do not
11:10:14 <DrWhat> 10(150914:153810) <joepie91> no amount of political blah blah beats cryptography
11:10:27 <DrWhat> 10(150914:153910) <joepie91> this hasn't worked for torrents
11:10:28 <DrWhat> 10(150914:153910) <joepie91> and it won't work for BTC
11:10:51 <DrWhat> Politics Tried to beat torrents
11:10:58 <DrWhat> Politics tried to block tor
11:11:13 <joepie91> DrWhat: right, I was reading what you said as "cryptography didn't work for TOR either"
11:11:21 <joepie91> misinterpretation then, I guess
11:11:28 <joepie91> so disregard above
11:11:41 <DrWhat> I dont use tor
11:11:46 <DrWhat> i couldnt care about it
11:14:00 <joepie91> and DrWhat: sorry for being so quick on the trigger, but the whole "TOR has been broken" FUD lately has really been getting on my nerves :/
11:28:30 <DrWhat> So can i fuck you in the ass now
11:53:34 <DrWhat> http://i.4cdn.org/f/src/das%20horn.swf
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11:59:15 <iceTwy> a cracker's wildest dream: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/secret-service-investigating-alleged-credit-card-breach-at-target/
11:59:17 <iceTwy> .title
11:59:17 <botpie91> iceTwy: Secret Service investigating alleged credit card breach at Target (Updated) | Ars Technica
11:59:19 <iceTwy> wow
11:59:24 <iceTwy> 40 million credit cards
12:05:08 <DrWhat> i thought i saw a post on a forum i was on a while ago selling these 40 million cards :/
12:05:19 <DrWhat> let me take a look
12:06:27 <DrWhat> Yeap
12:06:30 <DrWhat> there here
12:17:57 <iceTwy> :|
12:18:21 <iceTwy> MK_FG: this is still the best song ever, imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe-YapzvWAE
12:18:23 <iceTwy> Andrey Korolev
12:18:25 <iceTwy> FTW
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12:25:16 <DrWhat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAPuLrJoKAg
12:25:19 <DrWhat> Much better
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14:42:43 <DrWhat> so joepie91 What projects have you been working on latly
14:42:59 <DrWhat> and you never answered my question about lime text
14:45:22 <joepie91> I did
14:45:24 <joepie91> <joepie91>DrWhat: not really
14:45:33 <joepie91> as for projects, mostly StatusBot
14:45:53 <joepie91> http://owely.com/14cKVE
14:45:58 <joepie91> http://owely.com/510zvYN
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15:04:31 * joepie91 spots a dpk
15:04:40 <joepie91> hai!
15:05:40 <dpk> morning
15:05:45 <dpk> or whatever time it is
15:05:56 <dpk> how do?
15:06:17 <dpk> oh, joepie91, i forgot my NickServ password on cryto, how do i change it?
15:06:23 <joepie91> do okay
15:06:26 <joepie91> and well
15:06:27 <joepie91> uh
15:06:30 <joepie91> yeah, uhm.
15:06:31 <joepie91> :p
15:06:36 <joepie91> well, thing is
15:06:50 <joepie91> I don't have email set up
15:06:55 <dpk> heheheh
15:07:00 <joepie91> so you won't receive password rset emails
15:07:03 <joepie91> I would normally manually verify
15:07:06 <joepie91> and then reset your pw
15:07:07 <joepie91> but...
15:07:10 <joepie91> I still have to reset my own pw
15:07:13 <joepie91> so yeah
15:07:17 <joepie91> mind if I look into that tomorrow :P
15:07:18 <dpk> this is actually the police's fault for seizing my server
15:07:23 <dpk> yeah, that's fine, hehe
15:07:32 <dpk> because ZNC was configured to auth automatically
15:07:35 <joepie91> heh
15:07:41 <joepie91> also, gah, trying to get Laravel to work
15:07:45 <joepie91> can't even get it installed properly
15:07:45 <joepie91> wtf
15:07:54 <dpk> lolsoftware
15:08:03 <joepie91> this is why I hate frameworks
15:09:27 <joepie91> right, doesn't look like I'll be getting shit done today
15:09:29 <joepie91> ffs
15:22:13 <multihate> hi joepie, i just read your answers to the bitcoin talk
15:23:22 <multihate> the chinese didnt break the cryptography, but still they practically killed the chinese market
15:24:36 <multihate> they didnt kill bitcoin itself, but made in impractical to use it as a paying system
15:24:45 <multihate> made "it"
15:30:05 <joepie91> multihate: not really
15:30:26 <joepie91> if you're making that judgment from the exchange rate, that's the wrong source to look at
15:30:43 <joepie91> there are no reports from increased or decreased individual/business trade regarding china as of yet
15:31:12 <joepie91> and I strongly doubt that they'd set up stupid schemes like "you can use it but not go to a bank with it"
15:31:25 <joepie91> seems like in the cultural perspective in China, they could just outright ban it and get away with it
15:31:41 <joepie91> would be a far simpler and more certain approach
15:35:24 * dorotea wakes up to new papers to write!
15:51:34 <zxcvbnm> so what is the real reason behind barring payment processors from accepting btc
15:52:05 <zxcvbnm> I only read the original article about YeePay stopping accepting payments, ergo BTC China not able to accept deposits
15:58:32 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: a reasonable theory was trying to put a brake on BTC
15:58:39 <joepie91> while they figure out wtf the consequences are going to be
15:58:48 <joepie91> not killing it, just slowing it down enough to catch up with it
15:58:57 <joepie91> which makes sense
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16:04:34 <zxcvbnm> mhm.
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16:12:18 <iceTwy> this is brilliant lol
16:12:21 <iceTwy> http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2013/dec/19/nsa-christmas-films-darth-twitter#/?picture=425299805&index=0
16:12:23 <iceTwy> .title
16:12:23 <botpie91> iceTwy: How the Grinch Stole Your Metadata, and other Christmas tales | World news | theguardian.com
16:12:24 <iceTwy> cc joepie91 ^
16:12:42 <DrWhat> joepie91 Whats the git for status bot, love to check it out
16:12:56 <joepie91> http://github.com/joepie91/cryto-status
16:12:57 <joepie91> also
16:12:58 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ ALARM ] Host wire.cryto.net reports that an alarm was triggered for rule 07725944-1a2d-4d8c-82f3-2ed1b99b031e (*!machine.memory:physical.used_percentage). The reported value was 91.3 for physical.used_percentage , triggering the > 90 condition.
16:12:58 <joepie91> >.>
16:13:19 <joepie91> then again
16:13:20 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ SOLVED ] Host wire.cryto.net reports that the alarm for rule 07725944-1a2d-4d8c-82f3-2ed1b99b031e (*!machine.memory:physical.used_percentage) was resolved for physical.used_percentage. It was active for 4 minutes, 6 seconds.
16:13:22 <joepie91> it resolved itself apparently
16:15:25 <joepie91> wtf
16:15:37 <joepie91> cstatsd RAM usage is slowly but steadily increasing
16:15:41 * joepie91 wonders what's up with that?
16:18:07 <joepie91> iceTwy: hrm
16:18:08 <joepie91> so-so
16:18:22 <joepie91> sleep time
16:18:28 <joepie91> goodnight all
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16:28:55 <dorotea> leaky leaky
16:29:56 <stassi> hello all!
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16:47:33 <zxcvbnm> oh bullllllllshit
16:47:41 <zxcvbnm> I don't believe this
16:48:10 <zxcvbnm> .title http://threatpost.com/researchers-find-way-to-extract-4096-bit-rsa-key-via-sound/103234
16:48:11 <botpie91> zxcvbnm: Researchers Find Way to Extract 4096-Bit RSA Key via Sound | Threatpost | The First Stop For Security News
16:48:53 <zxcvbnm> title is misleading
16:50:58 <dorotea> I linked that already
16:51:06 <dorotea> do they link to the study?
16:51:38 <dorotea> http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/
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17:01:30 <zxcvbnm> I like the furby hacking :P
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18:24:35 <wh0> Interesting stuff
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19:31:27 <DrWhat> sooo who has the sex
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19:41:27 <Philosoraptor> -ChanServ- #BitCoin is now registered to Philosoraptor.
19:45:37 <DrWhat> :/
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22:33:19 <TheSaint^> buonasera ^^
22:35:25 <zxcvbnm> o wow
22:35:31 <zxcvbnm> apollo theatre ceiling collapsed
22:39:46 <snowy> I guess the play brought the house down
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22:59:32 <Philosoraptor> lol
23:02:44 <dorotea> damn, shoulda bought btc yesterday
23:02:49 <dorotea> wish I'd have been paying attention
23:06:16 <TheSaint^> hi
23:06:28 <TheSaint^> where i can find an admin or IRCOP? :)
23:07:22 <dorotea> why do you need one >_>
23:07:54 <dorotea> did you read the MOTD when you connected to the server?
23:08:04 <TheSaint^> coz had problem with nickserv
23:08:26 <dorotea> why don't you just ask in here? we can help with the commands
23:08:40 <dorotea> or you can /msg nickserv help command
23:08:43 <dorotea> if you'd rather do that
23:09:06 <TheSaint^> some lamer registered my nickname
23:09:16 <TheSaint^> try to fake it from the forum Cipolla
23:09:20 <dorotea> then you can pick a new one
23:09:36 <TheSaint^> just ask if can help me to patch it :)
23:09:57 <dorotea> mm
23:10:14 <TheSaint^> yes i know i can, but is different from the forum nickname and i dont want risk someone fake it
23:10:26 <TheSaint^> i just talked to yuky
23:10:31 <TheSaint^> she suggest me to ask here
23:10:32 <TheSaint^> :)
23:10:58 <dorotea> ahh
23:11:03 <dorotea> well the op isn't connected right now
23:11:16 <dorotea> and I dunno who yuky is, but thank them for directing you here
23:11:30 <TheSaint^> eheh ok np :)
23:11:33 <TheSaint^> who is the op?
23:11:37 <dorotea> joepie91
23:11:44 <TheSaint^> joepie91 ok
23:11:46 <TheSaint^> will ask him
23:11:47 <TheSaint^> grazie :)
23:11:57 <dorotea> de nada
23:12:11 <TheSaint^> ;)
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