Cryto! 8 September 2013
00:00:40 <lysobit> night
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00:33:59 <cayce> cayce:) what do you mean "what am I running it on"?
00:34:44 <cayce> some version of wine or another
00:35:07 <cayce> latest kernel and latest proprietary drives
00:35:09 <cayce> drivers
00:35:53 <cayce> er
00:35:56 <cayce> haha I @
00:36:02 <cayce> 'd myself
00:36:22 <cayce> joepie91:) lysobit:)
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01:03:08 <MK_FG> So linux for workgroups is basically windows now
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01:52:55 <cayce> jesus. intel just pulled official driver support for xmir
01:53:23 <cayce> if either of amd or nvidia follow... canonical may collapse from lack of ecosystem support
01:53:24 <cayce> jeez
01:53:49 <cayce> linux nerds have spoken, wayland is where we're going
02:34:12 <cayce> aaaaaand mir is gpl3, wayland and implementation is mit
02:36:37 * cayce backs wayland
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03:16:58 <cayce> fucking shit
03:17:08 <cayce> so cdrom filesystems are a kernel module you have to enable
03:17:09 <cayce> LULZ
03:18:29 * cayce compiles new kernel because cdroms
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11:11:26 <joepie91> I was wondering why my Prosody 0.9 package wasn't publishing
11:11:32 <joepie91> apparently this is why: <arand>joepie91: for some reason publishing for home: repos are not working atm, is going to be looked at on monday afaik.
11:11:32 <joepie91> :(
11:11:57 <joepie91> cayce: yes, isn't that ISO9660 or some shit
11:11:58 <joepie91> ?
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11:18:56 <llegem_> Good morning
11:19:21 <llegem_> Someone here have a Botnets and are interested in a partnership wih ATZ, A3 etc etc?
11:19:32 <joepie91> llegem_: you are in completely the wrong place
11:19:35 <joepie91> read the topic
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11:20:18 <llegem_> sorry for error.
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11:24:06 <iceTwy> for the sake of curiosity
11:24:10 <iceTwy> what are ATZ and A3?
11:24:24 <joepie91> I have absolutely no idea
11:24:30 <joepie91> probably some affiliate scheme of sorts
11:24:33 <iceTwy> lol
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11:24:41 <joepie91> guessing from the context
11:24:52 <iceTwy> yeah probably
11:27:22 <joepie91> urgh
11:27:34 <joepie91> right now on afterhoursdjs they're playing that absolutely awful track
11:27:46 <joepie91> with the terribly annoyingly sounding girl with the terrible Dutch accent
11:27:49 <joepie91> no
11:27:49 <joepie91> just no
11:27:54 <joepie91> I cringe whenever I hear it
11:32:18 <joepie91> iceTwy: jabber!
11:34:07 <iceTwy> ye
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14:38:56 <norbert79> joepie91: Thanks for the link on the submarine cables... Are these related to the Internet or are this all military?
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14:49:12 <joepie91> there we go again
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15:13:58 <MK_FG> What's up? Don't see anything happening
15:16:09 <joepie91> MK_FG: host of the hub had some trouble
15:16:11 <joepie91> should be resolved
15:16:22 <joepie91> positive point: the auto-relink trick seems to work
15:16:22 <joepie91> :)
15:49:13 <Zoned> hm
15:50:48 <cayce> norbert79:) all interbutts
15:51:50 <joepie91> man, fuck packaging
15:52:27 <cayce> NP: [Disturbed - Land Of Confusion] [Ten Thousand Fists] [1081kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
15:52:38 <cayce> whaaaaaaat
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16:12:04 <iceTwy> wtf
16:12:14 <iceTwy> Wikipedia's new policy draft is horrible
16:15:22 <joepie91> okay, so
16:15:27 <joepie91> I *think* I have a working Prosody package!
16:22:16 <joepie91> iceTwy: mm?
16:22:43 <cayce> hahahahaha YES
16:23:04 <joepie91> yes, my prosody package works!
16:23:08 <cayce> no
16:23:23 <joepie91> that only took me a day
16:23:26 <joepie91> or two
16:23:28 <cayce> first hacker conf in the balkans and the dj plays "killing in the name" by rage against the machine
16:23:31 <cayce> turns the floor into a mosh
16:23:35 <joepie91> lol
16:23:45 <cayce> fuck yes
16:23:49 <cayce> NP: [Rage Against The Machine - Killing In The Name] [Rage Against The Machine] [1016kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:24:12 <cayce> ugh it makes me want to go be a stupid american in the balkans
16:24:13 <cayce> lol
16:24:19 <cayce> try not to die, pretty much
16:24:32 <cayce> state dept says stay the fuck out of turkey right now
16:24:44 <cayce> so she connects to serbia through istanbul
16:25:05 * cayce grins
16:26:39 <cayce> got it
16:26:45 <cayce> damn, took me a minute to find it
16:27:08 <cayce> ugh I want to visit the middle east before everything gets blown up
16:29:48 <iceTwy> hmm btw cayce
16:30:01 <iceTwy> ♪ NP @ iceTwy ♪ - Rage Against The Machine - Killing in the Name - Rage Against The Machine (1992) // 3031kbps
16:31:30 <cayce> iceTwy:) yeah? and how good is your audio hardware?
16:33:28 <cayce> I always figure this is the perfect song for vinyl
16:33:29 <cayce> NP: [OutKast - Hey Ya!] [The Love Below] [2801kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:34:31 <cayce> 3kkbps aka clipping? what's that
16:37:14 <cayce> ahhh
16:37:27 <cayce> I can hear the vinyl noise
16:38:06 <cayce> ugh why am I listening to muse
16:39:27 <cayce> ahhh
16:39:28 <cayce> fixed it
16:39:28 <cayce> NP: [The Prodigy - Spitfire (05 Version)] [Spitfire] [1048kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:39:49 * cayce IF I WAS IN WORLD WAR 2, THEY'D CALL ME SPIT FIRE
16:39:54 * cayce BECAUSE I SPIT FIRE
16:44:50 <cayce> iceTwy:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXqPYte8tvc
16:54:56 <iceTwy> not bad cayce
16:55:17 <cayce> I like that one :D
16:55:31 <iceTwy> you like lots of delay and reverb
16:55:32 <iceTwy> :D
16:55:42 <cayce> and certain midtones, yes
16:55:49 <cayce> lol reverb pedal
16:56:00 <iceTwy> reverb pedals? meh
16:56:05 <cayce> :P
16:56:11 * cayce wahwahs
16:56:15 <iceTwy> what lol
16:56:19 <iceTwy> wah wah =/= reverb
16:56:20 <iceTwy> ^^
16:56:23 <cayce> I know
16:56:24 <cayce> :D
16:56:40 <cayce> same pedal :3
16:56:41 <iceTwy> usually reverb is built into the amp
16:56:43 <iceTwy> which is pretty nice
16:56:45 <iceTwy> and erm
16:56:49 <iceTwy> I do have a wah wah pedal
16:56:55 <iceTwy> well, the classic one
16:57:03 <iceTwy> Dunlop Cry Baby
16:57:05 <cayce> my friend had some pedal that did a ton of stuff
16:57:05 <cayce> :>
16:57:13 <cayce> he clicked buttons and it fucked up his shit
16:57:13 <cayce> :D
16:57:44 <iceTwy> yeah that's a pedalboard
16:57:48 <iceTwy> or rather
16:57:55 <iceTwy> yeah
16:58:01 <cayce> yes
16:58:13 <cayce> :3
16:58:14 <cayce> :3
16:58:15 <cayce> NP: [Coeur De Pirate - Comme Des Enfants] [Coeur De Pirate] [830kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:58:16 <iceTwy> my favorite artists - Animals as Leaders, Scale the Summit, etc
16:58:29 <iceTwy> they use an AWESOME piece of equipment
16:58:34 <iceTwy> it's the Axe Fx II
16:58:38 <iceTwy> gazillions of effects
16:58:49 <cayce> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaUI6Tvd1sA&
16:59:10 <cayce> :3:3
16:59:19 <iceTwy> lol coeur de pirate
16:59:32 <cayce> :>
16:59:33 <cayce> :3:3
17:00:32 <cayce> bam!
17:00:33 <cayce> NP: [Collective Soul - Shine] [Hints, Allegations, And Things Left Unsaid (Rising Storm Records)] [857kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
17:00:55 <cayce> I just realized: I really do have an impressive amount of music
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17:25:41 *** SpaghettiCode changed the topic to: "Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz"
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17:26:38 <cayce> not bad
17:26:43 <cayce> 1:40 to restore
17:27:12 <cayce> 2:20 for users
17:27:15 <cayce> that's not too bad :D
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17:54:18 <joepie91> yes, yes I know
17:55:40 * cayce waves
17:55:46 <joepie91> ohai
17:55:50 <cayce> :D
17:56:12 <cayce> time for the ddos song!
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17:56:39 <iceTwy> pft
17:56:41 <iceTwy> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/privacy-scandal-nsa-can-spy-on-smart-phone-data-a-920971.html
17:56:54 <iceTwy> I was happy to have an Android phone
17:57:05 <iceTwy> with that being said
17:57:08 <cayce> ha ha ha no
17:57:20 <iceTwy> I'm wondering what versions of Android the NSA can crack
17:57:21 <cayce> the encryption that phones use is shite
17:57:26 <iceTwy> yeah ikr
17:57:47 <cayce> like, phone<->network crypto was leading edge... in 1973
17:57:54 <iceTwy> xD
17:58:00 <iceTwy> tbh
17:58:01 <cayce> (when it was first proposed)
17:58:05 <cayce> :3
17:58:06 <iceTwy> I only use SMS to communicate with friends
17:58:08 <iceTwy> like
17:58:18 <iceTwy> "PLZ WAT HOMEVORK IZ"
17:58:22 <cayce> just use redphone and textsecure or whatever
17:58:25 <iceTwy> yes
17:58:26 <cayce> that helps
17:58:32 <cayce> no magic bullet, but it helps
17:58:34 <iceTwy> top level encryption is better than nothing
17:58:59 <cayce> but it's one of those ironies
17:59:11 <cayce> why does it matter if you can encrypt communications if the endpoints are pwnd
17:59:12 <cayce> lol
17:59:36 <iceTwy> hehe
17:59:40 <iceTwy> but
17:59:43 <cayce> but eh, you still get some amount of veracity that you're speaking to the correct person
17:59:51 <iceTwy> in Spiegel's report
18:00:02 <cayce> which is actually not the encryption, but the fact that you're a human and can recognise not-the-correct-person easily
18:00:12 <iceTwy> the NSA struggled to crack into Blackberry phones
18:00:13 <iceTwy> like
18:00:24 <iceTwy> they say that they could do it before 2010
18:00:30 <cayce> I've heard bb enterprise servers are the issue
18:00:36 <iceTwy> then Blackberry changed their data compression technique
18:00:41 <iceTwy> and then NSA had to search a bit
18:00:47 <iceTwy> before eventually being able to crack it again
18:00:50 <cayce> rim's own shit has backdoors, but iirc they refused to make a backdoor in enterprise hosted shit
18:00:54 <iceTwy> so that leads to my question:
18:01:00 <cayce> (why compress?)
18:01:06 <iceTwy> Android has lots of bugfixes
18:01:10 <iceTwy> including security holes
18:01:20 <iceTwy> including fixes for*
18:01:28 <cayce> yap
18:01:30 <iceTwy> so would they possibly have a better security than BlackBerry
18:01:32 <iceTwy> ESPECIALLY
18:01:43 <iceTwy> when you're running the newest Android version
18:01:53 <iceTwy> I was reading this article a couple of hours ago
18:01:55 <cayce> well, you get into an opensource vs closed source argument, which is a "what do you fear more" argument
18:02:01 <iceTwy> yup
18:02:07 <iceTwy> but the thing is
18:02:20 <iceTwy> I'm divided tho
18:02:23 <iceTwy> because
18:02:38 <cayce> go with linus's "with enough eyes all bugs are shallow" or "teams of targeted experts produce better and more secure code even if you can't verify it"
18:02:41 <iceTwy> 1. less than 1% (really) Android users run the latest Android version, i.e. 4.3
18:02:59 <cayce> yeah
18:03:00 <iceTwy> 2. but on the other hand, security holes might be unseen by devs, but exploited
18:03:01 <iceTwy> like
18:03:02 <iceTwy> zero day attack
18:03:05 <cayce> iirc there are TONS of people still on 2.x
18:03:09 <iceTwy> lolol
18:03:15 <iceTwy> it hasn't been updated since 2011
18:03:22 <cayce> yup
18:03:39 <cayce> I mean it's holding hands with satan but I'd never use an android phone that wasn't a google official one
18:03:44 <cayce> they get updates first always
18:03:46 <joepie91> today (or well, in the past month) we learned: everything you thought was secure, should be assumed not to be, you're fucked
18:03:53 <cayce> yep
18:04:11 <iceTwy> what?
18:04:11 <iceTwy> lol
18:04:13 <cayce> I was happy to see google is now encrypting inter-datacenter tunnels now
18:04:20 <iceTwy> I'd never, ever run a Google Android version
18:04:21 <cayce> which means they consider the NSA to be an adversary
18:04:24 <iceTwy> I run on CyanogenMod
18:04:26 <iceTwy> nightlies
18:04:31 <iceTwy> so I update my phone on a daily basis
18:04:44 <iceTwy> and yeah, seeing that Google do that is pretty great
18:04:54 <iceTwy> but they were being snooped on for years anyway
18:05:02 <cayce> It's not even a big step or anything, the actual "what this means" is purely significance
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18:05:06 <iceTwy> AND I guess it's safe to assume that they /might/ have collaborated with the NSA
18:05:10 <iceTwy> or forced to do so rather
18:05:21 <cayce> yeah
18:05:27 <iceTwy> yeah, the NSA will probably end up cracking their encryption
18:05:38 <cayce> I actually trust when they say that they only do manual-data-transmission to $agencies
18:05:42 <iceTwy> or force them to reveal enough details about the encryption
18:05:57 <cayce> they send a person with an external HD with the data on it, hand it in person
18:06:10 <cayce> no special interfaces or whatever
18:06:13 <cayce> if it's true, I'm happy
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18:07:02 <cayce> api's for user data like that are bad, but I don't have issues with complying with court orders in open civilian court
18:07:49 <cayce> it's this secret court shit that is bad. it's completely undemocratic. democracy doesn't work without information, and you can't get information without transparency.
18:08:30 <cayce> I'm happy to let the FBI take loads of data through an open court proceeding. We can audit that, we can change policy if it's not acceptable to us.
18:08:46 <cayce> the same cannot be said for fisa court proceedings.
18:08:54 <iceTwy> yup
18:08:58 <iceTwy> fisa is just undercover
18:08:59 <cayce> our congresspeople can't even get info about fisa shit
18:09:00 <iceTwy> underground somehow
18:09:03 <cayce> that's HUGELY problematic
18:09:05 <iceTwy> oh wait
18:09:09 <cayce> even if I don't like any of our congresspeople
18:09:10 <iceTwy> your congressmen
18:09:12 <cayce> they should have access
18:09:12 * iceTwy grins
18:09:17 <iceTwy> wait
18:09:28 <iceTwy> are you talking about the same people that
18:09:36 <iceTwy> 1. for 90% of them, do not know shit about Internet
18:09:49 <iceTwy> 2. take your taxes and pay all sorts of personal fees with them
18:10:07 <cayce> this is supposed to be a democratic republic (or that's what we learned in school) and so I've voted for them to represent me. I assume there are things I don't need to know about, hence republic. But they should have full access.
18:10:08 <iceTwy> 3. collaborate willingly with corporations, because they can get advantages out of it
18:10:22 <cayce> iceTwy:) Why do you hate America? :D
18:10:29 <iceTwy> oh I don't hate America
18:10:33 * cayce grins
18:10:40 <iceTwy> I can say the same about any democratic republic
18:10:43 <iceTwy> including France, lol
18:10:48 <iceTwy> you can apply those 3 points to France
18:10:56 <iceTwy> to w/e EU member
18:10:59 <cayce> I was in a politics class and asked the teacher why nothing we did looked like a "democratic republic"
18:11:02 <iceTwy> & so forth
18:11:16 <iceTwy> what did they answer?
18:11:16 <cayce> she goes "well, so isn't that the problem?"
18:11:42 <iceTwy> gotta reboot da irc
18:12:04 <cayce> to which I said "Well, what would be the proper classification of our government type based on current function?"
18:12:18 <cayce> "Democratic neocorporatism"
18:13:12 <cayce> the democratic part is a pluralistic competition between corporations for our representatives
18:13:15 <cayce> :P
18:14:37 <cayce> iceTwy:) you back yet? :D
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18:14:49 <cayce> oooooh
18:14:51 <cayce> NP: [DRUMSPYDER - The Nocturnal Stealth Of Cats] [Kytheria] [824kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:14:57 <cayce> nope >:D
18:15:24 <HiveResearch> government is a proxy for bankers, corporations, think tanks, freelance politicians.
18:15:28 <lysobit> Copyrighted music on archive.org? http://archive.org/details/FatboySlim-2000-HalfwayBetweenTheGutterAndTheStars-
18:15:28 <HiveResearch> there
18:15:45 <cayce> yeah, that's neocorporatism part
18:16:03 <HiveResearch> there is always one side complaining the other side is too big
18:16:16 <HiveResearch> all of those four want big gov
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18:16:27 <cayce> I think it was by design, though. unfortunately, I don't think our founding fathers foresaw corporations they way they are now
18:16:34 <HiveResearch> they just want the others to be smaller in influence
18:17:07 <cayce> madison's biggest fear was concentration of power, which is why the erosion of checks and balances by culture has been so devastating
18:17:17 <cayce> war and culture
18:17:18 <cayce> :/
18:17:24 <HiveResearch> culture?
18:17:29 <cayce> yes
18:17:33 <cayce> apathetic
18:17:39 <HiveResearch> we are experiencing a lack of culture
18:17:41 <cayce> lazy, fat, soma'd culture
18:17:48 <HiveResearch> that's lack of culture
18:17:59 <cayce> call it what you will, it's a failure of culture
18:18:00 <HiveResearch> culture is active
18:18:00 <cayce> :P
18:18:04 <HiveResearch> it wants things
18:18:13 <HiveResearch> lazy wants nothing
18:18:19 <cayce> we've completely failed to maintain our culture
18:18:29 <cayce> which I've been seeing more and more lately, not just in ours
18:18:30 <HiveResearch> also don't confuse paralyzed with lazy
18:18:34 <cayce> failures of maintenance
18:18:51 <cayce> only the poor are paralyzed
18:18:57 <HiveResearch> no
18:19:00 <HiveResearch> all are
18:19:04 <HiveResearch> even the rich
18:19:12 <cayce> examples please, I don't agree on the face of it
18:19:13 <iceTwy> I like the way you use a possessive to speak about culture
18:19:16 <iceTwy> "our" culture
18:19:31 <iceTwy> you've exported it all over the world
18:19:31 <HiveResearch> the only ones who are not paralyzed are the awake and the psychotic
18:19:57 <HiveResearch> iceTwy: there's local our and big our - not the same
18:20:24 <cayce> and americanization is not as big an issue as you'd imagine. we're hitting a pretty amazing era of remixing
18:20:39 <cayce> local cultural revivals remixing their culture, our culture, and others
18:20:46 <cayce> and then giving it back to everyone
18:21:15 <cayce> such that I can go to a restaurant and get "fusion cuisine" that is based in 3 or 4 different continents
18:21:18 <cayce> that's some amazing shit
18:21:21 <HiveResearch> well america fucked shit up by paid it back by inventing the internet
18:21:32 <iceTwy> a yaya
18:21:38 <iceTwy> true lol HiveResearch
18:21:56 <HiveResearch> you want to eat other cultures
18:22:05 <HiveResearch> i want to eat food and vitamins
18:22:07 <HiveResearch> lol
18:22:37 <cayce> As long as the cultures are documented it will be fine. the answer to homogenization in any living system is differentiation.
18:22:49 <HiveResearch> or war
18:22:50 <HiveResearch> ;p;
18:22:55 <cayce> same thing
18:22:56 <cayce> :P
18:23:00 <HiveResearch> lol
18:23:20 <cayce> it's not the only way it can be expressed of course, but war is one way
18:23:35 * iceTwy wars cayce
18:23:41 <iceTwy> I invented a verb!
18:23:42 <iceTwy> to war.
18:23:47 * cayce falls over déd
18:23:53 <iceTwy> aww
18:23:54 <iceTwy> the "é"
18:23:55 <iceTwy> <3
18:23:58 <cayce> :3
18:23:59 <joepie91> Another instance was for those times when Caroline convinced the nationwide class (including Anna brother) to educate yourself regarding say that Anna had eaten sporting goods polish during an art class. Again big event a minumum of one believed Anna. She begged and cried therefore hard that she couldn breathe. She NEEDED someone to are under the impression her; too about whether or not big event more then one
18:23:59 <joepie91> did her life would be that the it seems to me end after high school graduation because Mike is the believe she had lied to you AND had gotten attention along with element
18:24:01 <cayce> <3
18:24:02 <joepie91> some of this spam is actually funny
18:24:13 <cayce> OH GOD
18:24:17 <cayce> WHERE IS MY POLISH ART CLASS
18:24:34 <iceTwy> LOL
18:24:46 <iceTwy> what are those polish pastries called again
18:24:48 <iceTwy> ponshki?
18:24:52 * cayce no idea
18:25:02 <iceTwy> yeah
18:25:02 <iceTwy> like
18:25:15 <iceTwy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%85czki
18:25:17 <iceTwy> Paczki
18:25:19 <cayce> all I remember is polak and someone telling me it was horribly racist
18:25:20 <joepie91> >eaten sporting goods polish
18:25:20 <joepie91> rofl
18:25:51 <cayce> I mean the problem with polak being racist is that it's like a black person saying nigger. It's fine for them and nobody else
18:26:08 <iceTwy> dude
18:26:14 <iceTwy> black people never say nigger
18:26:15 <iceTwy> they say nigga
18:26:25 <cayce> my dad's side of the family is all polish, sooooo
18:26:26 <iceTwy> subtle yet important difference
18:26:33 <iceTwy> ZUBROWKSA :D
18:26:41 <cayce> lmao
18:27:23 <cayce> I just have this feeling that if I went to poland I'd be staring at a sea of people that look like me
18:27:27 <cayce> I don't relish the idea
18:27:28 <joepie91> lol
18:28:38 <iceTwy> hehe
18:28:46 <iceTwy> you do look Polish yeah
18:29:04 <cayce> LET ME PLAY YOU THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE
18:29:05 <cayce> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo9ee4P6K8o
18:29:21 <cayce> NP: [Wszystkie Wschody Słońca - Telewizor] [Japoński Reżyser] [208kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:29:36 <cayce> yes, polish dub rap
18:29:37 <cayce> shut up
18:29:40 <iceTwy> 208kbps
18:29:42 <iceTwy> no thank you
18:29:45 <cayce> >dat feel
18:30:01 <cayce> the flac one had shitty tags
18:30:08 <cayce> I suppose I should czech on it
18:30:10 * cayce giggles
18:30:14 * iceTwy cackles
18:30:18 <cayce> >feels
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18:30:29 <iceTwy> >brofeels
18:30:36 <cayce> <3
18:30:46 <cayce> damnit
18:30:47 <cayce> no flac
18:30:48 <cayce> e.e
18:31:22 <iceTwy> also
18:31:36 <iceTwy> I've just found out that using SASL is better than connecting then authenticating with NickServ
18:31:40 * iceTwy is stoopido
18:31:42 <cayce> yes
18:31:45 <cayce> duh
18:31:50 <cayce> client certs++
18:31:53 <iceTwy> your hostname isn't revealed with SASL
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18:34:17 <cayce> mmm
18:34:48 <cayce> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gm-zfX2DgE
18:36:07 <cayce> ahhh, forgot how good this song is
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18:37:47 * joepie91 sighs
18:37:49 <joepie91> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/texas-truck-decal-woman_n_3881700.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
18:38:05 <joepie91> "contributes to a culture of violence against women"
18:38:17 <joepie91> uhm, if you're going to criticize that, how about "contributes to a culture of violence against people"?
18:38:25 <joepie91> what does gender have to do with this?
18:39:54 <cayce> because we're still on "violence against women" problem
18:40:03 <cayce> haven't moved to "people are people" yet
18:41:03 <cayce> hmm
18:41:26 <cayce> I have a ton of free buffer... I think I'm going to request a flac
18:41:37 <cayce> 5gigs enough bounty? maybe 10?
18:41:54 <joepie91> cayce: perhaps it's time to start moving on then
18:41:57 <joepie91> :|
18:42:02 <cayce> joepie91:) yes, we're working on it
18:44:17 <cayce> it will be a rough time, though, and it won't be fast
18:44:38 <cayce> I mean shit, we still don't even talk about how bad the honor culture is in the south
18:44:45 <cayce> nobody touches that
18:44:50 <cayce> not with a 100foot pole
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18:47:38 <joepie91> * joepie91 marks bug priority as 'high'
18:48:08 <joepie91> also lol: http://i.imgur.com/EJxrlsC.jpg
18:49:09 <cayce> hahaha
18:49:24 <cayce> so how many gigs
18:49:28 <cayce> on the request
18:49:41 <cayce> 5? 10?
18:50:42 <cayce> needs to be punchy :D
18:52:41 <joepie91> uhh.. cayce.. http://anonnews.org/forum/post/38346#p-39924
18:52:43 <joepie91> just ran across that
18:53:27 <cayce> lol can't-decide-if-serious-or
18:54:09 <joepie91> that one reply
18:54:11 <joepie91> is actually scarily accurate
18:54:35 <cayce> I'll read it in a sec
18:54:46 <cayce> trying to figure out how to produce exactly 15gigs after 10% tax
18:54:53 <joepie91> ?
18:54:59 <joepie91> 15 * 110 / 100 ?
18:55:05 <joepie91> er
18:55:07 <joepie91> derp
18:55:11 <joepie91> 15 / 110 * 100
18:55:31 <joepie91> >>> 15 / 110.0 * 100
18:55:31 <joepie91> 13.636363636363635
18:55:39 <joepie91> oh wow
18:55:39 <joepie91> derp
18:55:41 <joepie91> I am blind
18:55:41 <cayce> wrong direction
18:55:42 <joepie91> er
18:55:45 <joepie91> I am brain-mushed
18:55:49 <joepie91> one moment, brain needs reboot
18:56:01 <cayce> I can't just add 10% to 15
18:56:04 <cayce> (16.5)
18:56:07 <joepie91> >>> 15 / 90.0 * 100
18:56:07 <joepie91> 16.666666666666664
18:56:17 <cayce> looks close
18:56:25 <cayce> YAY
18:56:25 <joepie91> 10% tax means the remainder is 90%
18:56:38 <cayce> Bounty after tax: 15.00 GB
18:56:39 <cayce> If you add the entered 16.67 GB of bounty, your new stats will be:
18:56:47 <cayce> :3
18:56:59 <cayce> Bounty after tax: 15.00 GB
18:56:59 <cayce> If you add the entered 16.67 GB of bounty, your new stats will be:
18:56:59 <cayce> Uploaded: 601.26 GB
18:57:00 <cayce> Ratio: 1.76
18:57:01 <cayce> hurrrrrrrrr
18:58:21 <cayce> wppt!
18:59:16 <joepie91> so 15 gigs represents 90% of the total
18:59:16 <joepie91> therefore 15 / 90 * 100
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19:00:00 <cayce> wiggle while you work!
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19:01:53 <cayce> yes
19:02:14 <cayce> NP: [Smashing Pumpkins - Bullet With Butterfly Wings] [Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (Disc 1)] [838kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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19:48:09 <iceTwy> dat netsplit tho
19:48:28 <iceTwy> joepie91: is buffalo.cryto.net one of your colocrossing VPS'
19:48:29 <iceTwy> ?
19:48:35 <joepie91> yes
19:48:44 <joepie91> the problem is actually not with colocrossing this ti e
19:48:45 <joepie91> time *
19:48:46 <joepie91> (for once)
19:48:51 <joepie91> also, buffalo will be going down shortly
19:48:54 <joepie91> permanently
19:48:58 <joepie91> and will be replaced
19:51:41 <cayce> take it out of the round-robbin?
19:52:10 <joepie91> yes, I will
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19:59:06 <iceTwy> this is..
19:59:08 <iceTwy> interesting
19:59:11 <iceTwy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%85czki
19:59:19 <iceTwy> woops
19:59:22 <iceTwy> no, not pastries
19:59:25 <iceTwy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnOJgDW0gPI
20:06:58 <joepie91> bookmarked for later viewing
20:08:43 * cayce lags
20:09:04 <cayce> finally
20:13:38 <iceTwy> it's pretty horrible joepie91 heh
20:14:03 <iceTwy> I can't imagine kids feeling this way
20:14:06 <iceTwy> when they come out
20:14:07 <iceTwy> like
20:14:08 <iceTwy> :S
20:18:42 <iceTwy> what the flying fuck http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-H-is-closing-down-1920027.html
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20:32:50 <cayce> er
20:33:08 <cayce> well I've never read them but that sucks
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20:50:49 <joepie91> cayce: https://briansmith.org/browser-ciphersuites-01.html
20:51:38 <cayce> yes! there's an rfc for that somewhere
20:51:52 <cayce> maybe not by him, but by someone else
20:53:46 <cayce> his rationale is good
20:53:47 <cayce> happy
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20:54:10 <iceTwy> alright then
20:54:15 <joepie91> perhaps it's time to write a httpd extension module that will check what ciphersuite was used to connect, and inform the user that he should upgrade if he's using a weak ciphersuite
20:54:17 <iceTwy> since Linux 3.11 supports SSDs pretty well
20:54:24 <joepie91> through an injection in page content or so
20:54:30 <iceTwy> and that it actually supports Rapid Start
20:54:32 <joepie91> cc cayce
20:54:38 <iceTwy> my system boots in approx 3 secs
20:55:11 <iceTwy> from the UEFI logo to the Linux login screen that is
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20:56:20 <joepie91> lol
20:57:10 <cayce> joepie91:) if you use polarssl or gnutls they actually select best-ciphers based on your support level
20:57:25 <cayce> problem: nginx et all don't implement support for those ssl libs
20:57:40 <cayce> hiawatha does, and is said to be one of the better servers for ssl smarts
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20:58:16 <cayce> eg: negotiate tls1.2, server only hands out ciphers supported in tls1.2
20:58:28 <cayce> no 1.0 fallbacks at all
20:58:32 <cayce> neat stuff like that
20:59:12 <joepie91> the problem with no fallbacks
20:59:16 <joepie91> is errors without apparent cause
20:59:17 <joepie91> (to the end user)
20:59:24 <joepie91> to them, the "site is down"
20:59:35 <joepie91> they don't know that their client just doesn't speak proper suites
21:00:19 <cayce> wonderful
21:00:24 <cayce> so
21:00:36 <cayce> fail open versus fail closed, in a situation where security can mean your life is lost
21:00:42 <cayce> that choice is clear, to me
21:01:01 <joepie91> cayce: this is obviously a solution for the bog standard site
21:01:07 <joepie91> with average people visiting it
21:01:13 <cayce> but I don't give a fuck about them
21:01:17 <cayce> they're not the important ones
21:01:18 <joepie91> not submit-your-leak type of sites
21:01:24 <joepie91> they are
21:01:27 <cayce> they will follow defaults, and those defaults will be sufficient
21:01:33 <joepie91> the defaults follow them.
21:02:18 <cayce> I'm perfectly happy to break all of their shit if it means one less person dies and the internet gets forced into using better defaults
21:02:44 <iceTwy> I wish browsers supported different encryption than TLS
21:02:51 <cayce> The reason I've been so interested in tls support and such is because I consider it to be life/death
21:02:51 <iceTwy> and that something else that HTTPS would actually be used
21:02:56 <iceTwy> rather, not something
21:03:00 <iceTwy> other protocols
21:03:06 <cayce> there are problems, yes, but we need support before we can fix the other issues
21:03:09 <cayce> you cannot fix what does not exist
21:03:23 <iceTwy> yeah but you can develop it
21:03:25 <iceTwy> and try it out
21:03:36 <cayce> that has been done
21:03:44 <cayce> we have alpn and good ciphers
21:03:47 <cayce> they are not implemented
21:03:50 <cayce> that is the issue
21:04:06 <iceTwy> yes
21:04:08 <iceTwy> that is the issue
21:04:09 <cayce> we have modern things which still support null ciphers
21:04:17 <iceTwy> also joepie91
21:04:19 <cayce> like
21:04:20 <cayce> what
21:04:22 <cayce> :|
21:04:26 <iceTwy> are you still going to have VPS in Murrhika
21:04:37 <iceTwy> or are you going to move every VPS to European countries
21:04:40 <iceTwy> i.e. Germany/Iceland
21:04:41 <iceTwy> ?
21:05:33 <joepie91> iceTwy: there's no point in moving everything to europe
21:05:44 <joepie91> I'm just getting rid of the disproportionate amount of colocrossing stuff on my net
21:05:58 <joepie91> because A. I don't like colocrossing and B. too centralized
21:06:05 <iceTwy> yeah
21:06:14 <iceTwy> also
21:06:16 <iceTwy> if you need to
21:06:19 <iceTwy> I can provide a VPS
21:06:20 <iceTwy> no probs
21:06:26 * joepie91 frowns
21:06:26 <joepie91> where?
21:06:31 <iceTwy> wherever you want
21:06:37 <iceTwy> 'long as it's not too expensive
21:07:46 <cayce> I'm hoping for some hosting in iceland someday
21:07:51 <cayce> wtb .is
21:08:08 <cayce> swiss too
21:08:43 <iceTwy> cayce: FlokiNet
21:08:54 <iceTwy> https://flokinet.is/
21:09:56 <joepie91> iceTwy: ah
21:10:32 <cayce> 5,50eu per mo
21:10:33 <cayce> not bad
21:10:57 <cayce> I mean competitively it's expensive, but the outright price is good
21:11:22 <iceTwy> yeah
21:11:29 <iceTwy> I actually mailed Floki a while back
21:11:44 <iceTwy> and they told me why it was moar expensive to have a VPS in Iceland
21:11:46 <iceTwy> cba to fire up the mail
21:12:03 <cayce> I don't mind
21:12:14 <iceTwy> ye
21:12:17 <cayce> their flat prices are low enough the difference of jurisdiction is worth it
21:12:20 <iceTwy> 5,5€ isn't outrageous lol
21:12:25 <cayce> yeah
21:12:28 <iceTwy> yeah but, cayce
21:12:28 <iceTwy> imo
21:12:32 <iceTwy> the best deal is German VPS
21:12:33 <cayce> and 256m is plenty to work with
21:12:36 <iceTwy> mainland Europe
21:12:39 <iceTwy> strong privacy laws
21:12:45 <cayce> is germany beefing privacy laws?
21:12:49 <iceTwy> good servers
21:12:57 <iceTwy> well they've always been strong privacy supporters
21:12:58 <cayce> I heard they had a not-so-good reaction to NSA spying
21:13:11 <cayce> and the complicity of their govt in it
21:13:21 <iceTwy> they were the single european country that pushed for a strong reaction against NSA
21:13:48 <cayce> I know merkel tried to defend it
21:13:49 <cayce> did she give up yet?
21:13:55 <iceTwy> she didn't?
21:13:59 <cayce> she did
21:14:02 <cayce> sec
21:16:17 <joepie91> <iceTwy>and they told me why it was moar expensive to have a VPS in Iceland
21:16:19 <joepie91> because of bw
21:16:48 <cayce> this was the article I saw, but being rt they don't link to the der spiegel article they're ripping off http://rt.com/news/germany-nsa-usa-xkeyscore-378/
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21:17:58 <iceTwy> pretty nice as well
21:17:58 <iceTwy> http://www.edis.at/en/server/linux-vserver/iceland
21:19:37 <iceTwy> woah wtf
21:19:38 <iceTwy> nice
21:19:38 <iceTwy> http://ecodissident.net/virtual-servers
21:20:09 <joepie91> iceTwy: https://1984hosting.com/
21:20:29 <joepie91> https://1984hosting.com/about/
21:20:31 <iceTwy> but they're expensive
21:20:33 <iceTwy> and I know 'em
21:20:34 <iceTwy> they're good
21:21:30 <iceTwy> the thing is that
21:21:54 <iceTwy> not only the server should be located in Iceland, but the actual company offering it should be Icelandic
21:21:59 <iceTwy> otherwise there's no interest at all
21:22:05 <iceTwy> (this doesn't apply to 1984 Hosting obv)
21:57:12 <iceTwy> https://gnunet.org/internetistschuld?gnuweb
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22:25:04 * cayce waits for german to end
22:27:35 * cayce wishes their site was faster
22:28:46 * cayce saves as
22:37:13 <iceTwy> ffs
22:37:19 <iceTwy> I've got a maths test on wednesday
22:37:27 <iceTwy> and it's all about stuff we did last year
22:37:32 <iceTwy> we don't have our old books anymore
22:37:37 <iceTwy> so I've got nothing to practice on
22:37:39 <iceTwy> very annoying
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23:04:22 <MK_FG> joepie91, It's possible to write some js to include on page that'd annoy people if they have weird ssl that'd poll some nginx "location ... { return 200 "$ssl_protocol $ssl_cipher"; }" for what they've negotiated
23:10:00 <joepie91> that is a possibility
23:17:43 <MK_FG> Actually, someone should write it, while hype is high ;)
23:23:41 <HiveResearch> if anyone wants to critique this http://antishock.opesr.net/start or this http://antishock.opesr.net/school:example:a_simple_light_bulb_circuit be appreciated :)
23:30:12 <joepie91> I'm not sure removal of grub is supposed to happen in suse studio
23:30:40 <joepie91> 1 software selection removed
23:30:41 <joepie91> grub
23:31:37 <MK_FG> Maybe it knows you have efi?
23:34:40 <joepie91> MK_FG: was building a custom opensuse ISO
23:34:43 <joepie91> apparently I still had grub2
23:34:51 <joepie91> so I probably removed something random that had grub as a dep
23:35:14 * joepie91 is prettymuch just waiting for his build to finish now
23:44:28 <MK_FG> https://ezcrypt.it/kd7n#8yOxnimSfhYymepuBvgbfmVd yep yep
23:47:55 <joepie91> lol
23:49:20 <Zoned> ryanc
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