Cryto! 23 June 2013
00:18:47 <lady-3jane> this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7agPOt1XZz8
00:19:55 <lady-3jane> :3:3
00:22:00 <lady-3jane> NP: [CSS - Let's Make Love And Listen To Death From Above (Spank Rock Remix)] [FABRICLIVE.33] [925kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
00:23:51 <lady-3jane> also very good:
00:23:52 <lady-3jane> NP: [Alice In Chains - Heaven Beside You] [Alice In Chains] [899kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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00:24:04 <testuser> what's up all?
00:24:13 <lady-3jane> dickall
00:24:19 <lady-3jane> read the topic :)
00:26:50 <lady-3jane> another favorite: https://vimeo.com/62092214
00:32:11 <iceTwy> erm erm erm
00:32:14 <iceTwy> lady-3jane:
00:32:21 <iceTwy> I knew CSS before ya!
00:32:45 <lady-3jane> oh?
00:34:06 <iceTwy> 2008
00:34:08 <iceTwy> what about you?
00:34:19 <lady-3jane> a year or two ago
00:34:30 <lady-3jane> unless they're the same one that did the css remix
00:34:39 <iceTwy> hm
00:34:42 <iceTwy> anyhow;
00:34:44 <iceTwy> ♪ NP @ iceTwy ♪ - Manilla Road - Playground of the Damned - Playground of the Damned (2011) // 958kbps
00:35:40 <lady-3jane> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaiQXr2KZBc
00:35:58 <lady-3jane> that song was SO well timed
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00:36:53 <iceTwy> so this is how the protests in Cyprus look like
00:36:54 <iceTwy> ?
00:37:09 <lady-3jane> yeah
00:37:30 <iceTwy> LOOOOOL
00:37:51 <lady-3jane> yeah, it's fuckin proper
00:38:04 <lady-3jane> It still brings a tear to my eyes
00:38:27 <lady-3jane> sufficiently sophisticated ad, thus indistinguishable from actual culture
00:39:16 <iceTwy> totally going to icetwy.re
00:40:28 <lady-3jane> mmmm "Any sufficiently sophisticated advertisement is indistinguishable from actual culture."
00:40:50 <lady-3jane> along with "Any sufficiently advanced algorithm is indistinguishable from human intelligence"
00:41:39 <lady-3jane> It's a very good pattern
00:42:17 <lady-3jane> mmmm
00:42:18 <lady-3jane> Je ne suis pas d'accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu'au bout pour que vous puissiez le dire.
00:47:54 <joepie91> "Any sufficiently structured sentence is indistinguishable from other sufficiently structured sentences"
00:47:56 <joepie91> :)
00:48:45 <lady-3jane> :>
00:48:53 <lady-3jane> I really like that template though
00:48:54 <lady-3jane> and uh
00:49:07 <lady-3jane> "I like... I wonder..." as a way to frame constructive criticism
00:50:46 <lady-3jane> learned that one in highschool :> As soon as you finished the presentation, you had 10 minutes of questions
00:51:00 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: nice French quote
00:51:04 <lady-3jane> merci :>
00:51:17 <iceTwy> je t'en prie :p
00:51:27 <iceTwy> satoshi said: "don't you worry, don't you worry child!"
00:51:31 <iceTwy> "bitcoin's got a plan for you!"
00:51:42 <lady-3jane> It's by "Evelyn Beatrice Hall"
00:51:46 <lady-3jane> to source
00:52:29 <joepie91> http://www.bitcointrezor.com/
00:53:25 <lady-3jane> well, at least they hired a real webdev
00:53:37 <joepie91> ?
00:53:38 <lady-3jane> none of the others do
00:53:52 <lady-3jane> It doesn't look like fucking shit
00:54:19 <lady-3jane> mmmm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4yfWRscHz0
00:54:36 <joepie91> lol
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00:57:43 <lady-3jane> oh god
00:57:49 <lady-3jane> why am I making geology jokes again
00:57:50 <lady-3jane> fuck
00:58:03 <lady-3jane> I do love it when people take geology classes
00:58:10 <lady-3jane> because then they can understand some of my jokes
01:08:23 <lady-3jane> hmm
01:08:38 <iceTwy> such as?
01:08:39 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: ?
01:08:41 <lady-3jane> I really can't wait to be in the income bracket where I can have clothes made for me
01:08:46 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 4 commit(s) to 03cvm on branch 10feature/terminate-vps: '02Merge branch 'fix/start-tunnel' into develop', '02Fix display bug with administrative VPS controls', '02Handle JSON errors in slave responses properly', '02Merge branch 'fix/node-admin' into feature/terminate-vps' (https://github.com/joepie91/cvm/compare/a89d0234ed...b7a2150625)
01:08:50 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to 03cvm on branch 10develop: '02Fix display bug with administrative VPS controls', '02Handle JSON errors in slave responses properly' (https://github.com/joepie91/cvm/compare/35ccac1930...3a135a15f7)
01:08:50 <lady-3jane> er
01:08:52 <lady-3jane> no
01:09:02 <lady-3jane> They're not text jokes
01:10:54 <lady-3jane> hmm
01:11:01 <lady-3jane> and someday I will find someone who can do proper krumping
01:11:08 <lady-3jane> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vTo2p3F_v8
01:11:11 <lady-3jane> that guy's okay
01:12:03 <lady-3jane> It's a badass dance style, though pretty much everybody hates it
01:47:34 <iceTwy> LA lady-3jane
01:47:37 <crytocc-c> fuck
01:48:12 <lady-3jane> iceTwy:) sup?
01:48:30 <iceTwy> how are you doing lady-3jane
01:48:52 <lady-3jane> little drunk
01:49:14 <lady-3jane> finding... shit I uploaded to my server
01:49:16 <lady-3jane> :"D
01:49:18 <lady-3jane> :D *
01:49:40 <lady-3jane> hahahaha
01:49:58 <iceTwy> xD
01:50:13 <lady-3jane> Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothin' but the truth, so help yo
01:50:17 <lady-3jane> ' black ass?
01:50:22 <lady-3jane> You're god damn right!
01:50:49 <iceTwy> 1. I don't have a black ass
01:50:54 <iceTwy> 2. I'm a serial liar
01:50:56 <iceTwy> 3. Problem?
01:50:59 <iceTwy> 4. ???
01:51:01 <iceTwy> 5. PROFIT
01:51:11 <lady-3jane> FUCK DA FUCKDA FUCKDA FUCKDA POLICE
01:51:37 <lady-3jane> http://youtu.be/Cq_NsK0LjXY?t=1m
01:53:04 <lady-3jane> goin' through my youtube likes lol
01:57:17 <lady-3jane> also a favorite, though not music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKyIw9fs8T4
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02:00:26 * lady-3jane BARBRA STREISAND
02:00:35 <lady-3jane> WOO0O0O0O0O0O0O000000 0OW0O0O0O0O0O0O0O00000
02:01:20 <lady-3jane> portuguese, yeah okay
02:01:30 <iceTwy> dafuck
02:01:31 <iceTwy> u drunk
02:01:41 <lady-3jane> yes
02:01:54 <lady-3jane> barao zito's script was from portuguese author
02:02:00 <lady-3jane> last updated in 2006
02:02:08 <lady-3jane> ^_^
02:02:26 <lady-3jane> maybe .br
02:02:27 <lady-3jane> heh
02:02:33 <lady-3jane> BRASIIIIIIIIIL
02:02:47 <iceTwy> YAAAY BRASILIA
02:02:53 <lady-3jane> wait, you don't know barbra streisand do you
02:03:09 <iceTwy> dude
02:03:10 <iceTwy> come on
02:03:47 <lady-3jane> http://youtu.be/J1mGWhLwu64?t=14s
02:03:56 <lady-3jane> I don't, it's a song
02:04:02 <iceTwy> blocked in the country of the Frenchies
02:04:10 <lady-3jane> also some lady I don't give a fuck about
02:04:11 <lady-3jane> too bad
02:04:41 <lady-3jane> can you mp3?
02:05:03 <lady-3jane> iceTwy:) ^
02:05:04 <iceTwy> no
02:05:07 <iceTwy> i r sleep
02:05:11 <lady-3jane> sucks
02:05:12 <iceTwy> it's five past 4AM
02:05:16 <lady-3jane> derp
02:05:23 <iceTwy> GOOD NIGHT <3
02:05:29 <lady-3jane> night!
02:05:37 <iceTwy> night!
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08:50:28 <MK_FG> What's the new hot forum software that got a lot of hype a few months ago? Discuss or something? What's it called?
08:52:25 <MK_FG> Found, http://www.discourse.org/
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09:06:56 <ShadowDemon> Life is good.
09:07:30 <MK_FG> It is, at times, indeed
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09:48:11 <ShadowDemon> MK_FG: More so when the baby is asleep. :D
09:50:45 <joepie91> ohai
09:55:23 <MK_FG> \o
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09:57:11 <iceTwy> hai!
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11:25:11 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: dat song
11:25:12 <iceTwy> ♪ NP @ iceTwy ♪ - Pink Floyd - High Hopes - Pulse (1995) // 5323kbps
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11:39:55 <joepie91> well
11:40:01 <joepie91> just got back from funfair
11:40:03 <joepie91> made some photos
11:40:03 <joepie91> cc iceTwy
11:46:40 <joepie91> also guess what
11:46:43 <joepie91> I found some popstations!
11:47:36 <ShadowDemon> lol
11:47:39 <ShadowDemon> That's weird
11:48:16 <joepie91> photo series incoming
11:50:54 <joepie91> http://imgur.com/a/j88jz
11:50:58 <joepie91> cc ShadowDemon iceTwy lady-3jane others
11:55:43 <iceTwy> back
11:55:44 <iceTwy> yes
11:55:45 <iceTwy> lemme see
11:55:57 <iceTwy> kermis dordrecht
11:55:58 <iceTwy> yayaya
11:56:07 <iceTwy> awesome pics :o
11:56:10 <iceTwy> very colourful, love them
11:56:16 <joepie91> there's a few meh pictures
11:56:21 <joepie91> I'll be going again wednesday morning
11:56:23 <joepie91> during opening
11:56:25 <joepie91> so I can get sunny shots
11:56:56 <iceTwy> lol, this one: http://i.imgur.com/C2kpYxxh.jpg
11:57:31 <iceTwy> and that old dude at the end
11:57:32 <iceTwy> lmao
11:57:48 <iceTwy> matter of fact I really need to go out
11:57:52 <joepie91> clown guy is an awesome guy (the standing clown)
11:57:54 <joepie91> talked to him for a while
11:58:09 <iceTwy> last time I went out was on Friday, for the national music day
11:58:11 <joepie91> the driving one is just funny
11:58:12 <joepie91> and heh
11:58:35 <joepie91> also
11:58:36 <joepie91> iceTwy
11:58:46 <joepie91> the colourfulness is why I'm using a Canon camera
11:58:47 <iceTwy> yes
11:58:49 <joepie91> even though it's cheapo
11:58:53 <joepie91> and the picture quality isn't great
11:58:58 <joepie91> the colors are very... 'vibrant'
11:59:01 <iceTwy> they are
11:59:23 <iceTwy> never knew you were interested in photography tho ^^
11:59:30 <joepie91> do have to say that this camera isn't very good at high light contrasts
11:59:41 <joepie91> (see the standing clown picture or pictures with trees)
11:59:44 <iceTwy> yup, unfortunately
11:59:53 <joepie91> iceTwy: not particularly, just as a fun thing to do
12:00:01 <joepie91> I like pictures, I like making nice pictures
12:00:05 <joepie91> but not _terribly_ interested in it
12:00:07 <joepie91> :p
12:00:14 <iceTwy> there's one thing I HATE about taking pictures
12:00:16 <iceTwy> well, two actually
12:00:36 <iceTwy> 1. Asian people taking pictures 24/7 NON STOP when they're visiting some place
12:00:46 <joepie91> haha
12:00:48 <iceTwy> I'll remember that American park we saw, can't remember which one it was
12:00:55 <iceTwy> you had like, a family of 10 Japanese folks
12:01:02 <iceTwy> they were taking pictures non stop
12:01:04 <iceTwy> for at least 2h
12:01:07 <iceTwy> AND
12:01:21 <iceTwy> 2. the thing I hate the most, like, ever
12:01:32 <iceTwy> 2. people filming concerts
12:01:45 <joepie91> D:
12:01:46 <joepie91> why?
12:01:47 <iceTwy> you just see screens everywhere and they're obstructing your view
12:01:51 <joepie91> oh
12:01:55 <iceTwy> and you have a god damn memory to remember good times
12:02:01 <joepie91> eh, not really :P
12:02:09 <joepie91> I'm all for recording, people just have to get rid of the display
12:02:12 <iceTwy> you're not living the /moment/ if you just stand there with your camera
12:02:14 <joepie91> read: turn off display and keep your hand still
12:02:17 <iceTwy> no
12:02:27 <iceTwy> I say, just forget about recording and enjoy the god damn moment
12:02:33 <joepie91> no :P
12:02:35 <iceTwy> yes
12:02:39 <iceTwy> unless you're sat
12:02:47 <iceTwy> but when you're in the crowd just in front of the stage
12:02:50 <iceTwy> it's VERY annoying
12:03:43 <joepie91> meh
12:03:53 <joepie91> I really don't care, provided the display is turned off
12:03:57 <joepie91> lit displays are annoying as fuck
12:04:01 <iceTwy> yes
12:04:02 <iceTwy> they are
12:04:32 <iceTwy> like, don't get me wrong - I don't mind 2 or 3 people filming
12:04:34 <joepie91> sigh
12:04:36 <joepie91> come on wikileaks
12:04:39 <iceTwy> but in a crowd of 40k people
12:04:39 <iceTwy> ugh
12:04:41 <joepie91> if you timestamp your PRs
12:04:43 <joepie91> at least include the timezone
12:04:43 <joepie91> :|
12:04:54 <joepie91> iceTwy: I was more refering to the odd recording
12:04:59 <joepie91> than to the entire crowd filming
12:05:06 <joepie91> if it's other people already filming, just ask them to send it to you
12:05:07 <joepie91> :P
12:05:11 <iceTwy> they do include the timezone?
12:05:14 <iceTwy> http://wikileaks.org/gottfrid-docs/
12:05:19 <joepie91> PRs
12:05:20 <iceTwy> top right corner, below the title
12:05:32 <joepie91> http://wikileaks.org/WikiLeaks-Statement-On-Edward.html
12:05:35 <iceTwy> oh
12:05:35 <iceTwy> yes
12:05:43 <joepie91> no TZ
12:06:06 <iceTwy> He's going to Venezuela either way
12:06:09 <iceTwy> it's confirmed
12:06:20 <iceTwy> he's flying to Moscow right now, then will leave and join Cuba tomorrow
12:06:27 <iceTwy> and from there on he'll go to VZ
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12:08:32 <iceTwy> I'll probably go out this afternoon and ride my bike
12:08:36 <iceTwy> I really need to move my ass lol
12:12:19 <joepie91> lol
12:15:38 <iceTwy> I'm doing this as soon as I finish my finals:
12:15:56 <iceTwy> http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml
12:16:25 <iceTwy> cc joepie91
12:16:32 <joepie91> noted
12:16:52 <iceTwy> I should totally use your todo program
12:16:53 <iceTwy> link?
12:19:17 <joepie91> http://todo.cryto.net/about
12:19:18 <joepie91> :p
12:21:10 <iceTwy> hmm :p
12:23:47 <iceTwy> I need to do something else than sitting & listening to music
12:23:48 <iceTwy> ;o
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12:53:49 <joepie91> Xeross: http://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/8-jarige-moet-het-maar-zonder-begeleiding-doen-aldus-chasse-theater-breda/
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12:58:18 <iceTwy> joepie91: google translate
13:04:04 <joepie91> how well does google translate work
13:04:06 <joepie91> on this article?
13:04:07 <joepie91> iceTwy
13:04:18 <iceTwy> huuh
13:04:21 <iceTwy> i got the point
13:04:56 <joepie91> no
13:04:59 <joepie91> he was part of the show
13:05:02 <joepie91> forgot a t-shoirt
13:05:03 <joepie91> shirt *
13:05:13 <joepie91> and we went back to the changing rooms, or that was the idea
13:05:21 <joepie91> security guard told (8 year old!) brother to go downstairs alone
13:05:25 <joepie91> and that noone could accompany him
13:05:31 <joepie91> of course he immediately went the wrong way
13:05:41 <joepie91> and was gone for 30 minutes
13:05:58 <joepie91> and then the security guard came up with some bullshit argument about not allowing anyone else down there, not even a parent
13:06:02 <joepie91> because he had "300 artists down there":
13:06:11 <joepie91> nice try, but this show was the only show in the entire theater that day
13:06:15 <joepie91> and most of the kids had already left
13:06:29 <joepie91> read: asshole inventing excuses to justify his "I don't write the rules" behaviour
13:08:27 <iceTwy> pft
13:08:34 <iceTwy> must've been frustrating for your bro
13:08:35 <iceTwy> :<
13:08:40 <joepie91> more frustrating for us
13:08:43 <joepie91> tbh
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13:09:00 <joepie91> I just find it unacceptable that they don't let an adult accompany an 8 year old
13:09:12 <joepie91> because of a made-up excuse and a retarded interpretation of a rule
13:09:19 <joepie91> that may or may not be an actual rule
13:09:19 <iceTwy> especially when the said adult is the brother of the performer
13:09:20 <iceTwy> like
13:09:21 <iceTwy> :ol
13:09:26 <joepie91> or like, his parents?
13:09:27 <joepie91> :|
13:09:35 <joepie91> (was there with parents)
13:09:50 <joepie91> ohai vanarp, welcome to #crytocc, please be sure to read the topic and be aware that this channel is publicly logged
13:09:51 <joepie91> :P
13:10:06 <joepie91> but yeah, iceTwy, I've actually had a tour there in the past
13:10:09 <joepie91> behind the scenes
13:10:14 <joepie91> _while_ there were artists down there
13:10:22 <joepie91> if it wasn't a problem then, then why is it a problem now?
13:10:34 <joepie91> especially seeing as said artists _weren't_ present this time?
13:10:38 <vanarp> thanks joepie :)
13:11:21 <vanarp> joepie91 is there a way to cloak ip on such non-freenode irc servers?
13:11:37 <joepie91> vanarp: if it's refering to cryto, your IP/host is partially masked by default
13:11:48 <joepie91> - Hostmask: vanarp!vanarp@890837B6.725F2A04.61FF222A.IP *
13:12:01 <joepie91> most unrealircd networks do this by default
13:12:09 <joepie91> other networks/IRCds may do things differently
13:12:10 <vanarp> thats cool
13:12:33 <joepie91> (it's hashed using cloak keys iirc, so unless you have the cloak keys you won't be able to figure out the IP)
13:12:47 <joepie91> (and the cloak keys are in ircd config)
13:13:22 <joepie91> anyway, I think I'll go out
13:13:24 <joepie91> and make some more pictures
13:13:29 <joepie91> it appears the sun has started shining
13:13:29 <joepie91> :)
13:13:43 <joepie91> and it should be dry for the rest of the day
13:15:29 <joepie91> urgh
13:15:33 <joepie91> I forgot where I put my spare batteries
13:17:43 <iceTwy> omfg, I'm dying hahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1qooBzE2w
13:18:01 <iceTwy> .bitcoin
13:18:02 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $107.40, 1 BTC = €81.20
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13:23:47 <iceTwy> hello snowden
13:23:49 <iceTwy> we were looking for you
13:25:40 <snowden> I am in Russia now.
13:26:59 <iceTwy> How's Soviet Russia
13:27:00 <iceTwy> ?
13:27:18 <snowden> more open :D
13:28:10 <snowden> http://news.sky.com/story/1107174/whistleblower-edward-snowden-lands-in-moscow
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13:30:38 <iceTwy> snowden must feel so weird at the moment
13:30:41 <iceTwy> all this attention
13:30:45 <iceTwy> he didn't WANT this
13:30:47 <iceTwy> he clearly said it
13:30:53 <snowden> life changer for sure
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14:00:52 <MK_FG> Heh, after leaking such things I'd think that it's either this or black bag
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14:01:23 <MK_FG> Now he'll be branded a russian spy as well
14:01:39 <iceTwy> at least he'll be chilling in Venezuela
14:01:46 <iceTwy> now NSA is going to be in Venezuela for sure
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14:05:19 <MK_FG> I wonder why do smart people go working for the NSA
14:05:36 <snowden> $
14:05:40 <iceTwy> ^
14:05:48 <iceTwy> smart people, but nonetheless attracted by monies
14:05:52 <MK_FG> It's not like all this stuff was secret, three-letter agencies violate such things all the time
14:06:07 <MK_FG> Smart = can get money anywhere
14:06:47 <MK_FG> And if money is the motivation, snowden really is a spy, selling data
14:12:27 <MK_FG> I wonder if it's a mistake one just can't get out of
14:13:45 <MK_FG> Like, you don't have any work xp (as nsa won't allow to discuss what you did there) and nsa presses the fact that you can't work in X, Y and Z afterwards (as it's likely you'll be leaking data w/o noticing or exposed to such leak-risk)
14:14:21 <MK_FG> So you either stick with them or other gov job or go become a plumber
14:15:36 <snowden> maybe they believed they were serving their country
14:17:24 <MK_FG> Hmm, indeed, somehow it didn't come to my mind, but there really are pro-authoritarian (at least at some point in life) people out there
14:42:14 <iceTwy> MK_FG:
14:42:15 <iceTwy> hai
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14:56:37 <iceTwy> hmph
14:56:56 <iceTwy> Iceland govt apparently haven't received a formal request from Snowden
14:56:59 <iceTwy> for asylum
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15:03:24 <joepie91> uploading funfair videos to youtube atm
15:05:20 <joepie91> > Processing your video. 112969 minutes remaining.
15:05:22 <joepie91> okay, youtube
15:05:53 <joepie91> iceTwy : ding
15:06:29 <joepie91> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLT324XogjOA9rpuZBrX37SC3xwDybH-BT
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15:13:35 <iceTwy> hem
15:13:40 <iceTwy> busy
15:13:43 <iceTwy> going out actually
15:13:44 <iceTwy> bike! :D
15:14:04 <iceTwy> see ya later!
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16:10:47 <lady-3jane> weird
16:17:34 <joepie91> ?
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16:27:17 <joepie91> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2BssnWcUlQ&list=PLT324XogjOA9rpuZBrX37SC3xwDybH-BT&index=15 (start playing at 1:25 or so)
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16:34:33 <screapy> ^C rofl
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16:40:09 <lady-3jane> ugh
16:40:20 <lady-3jane> I'm so tired of everyone freaking out about systems they don't understand
16:41:18 <lady-3jane> people are now freaking out about "shadow profiles" at facebook
16:41:36 <lady-3jane> because fb's exporter was sucking all the info they had on you out, not just what you had shared with them
16:41:46 <lady-3jane> (like, what they'd gotten from your friends phones and such)
16:42:12 <lady-3jane> and so this other information gets tagged onto you, and it's being labeled your "shadow profile" in the media
16:42:34 <lady-3jane> It's fucking stupid
16:42:42 <lady-3jane> there's a reason they named it the GRAPH API
16:42:50 <lady-3jane> BECAUSE IT'S A GRAPH
16:43:07 <lady-3jane> not cute little silos of what you explicitly give them
16:44:28 <lady-3jane> fucking graph theory, how does it work
16:44:29 <lady-3jane> :|
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16:51:58 <YouKnowMe> whos freaking out and what freaks them out exactly? surveillence alleergies?
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17:07:13 <iceTwy> backeety back
17:07:19 <iceTwy> joepie91: youtube videos muhbee
17:09:02 <joepie91> ?
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17:10:41 <iceTwy> of the fair
17:10:54 <joepie91> unsure how to interpret 'muhbee'?
17:11:25 <iceTwy> maybe
17:11:26 <iceTwy> :p
17:13:24 <lady-3jane> mebbe usually
17:13:27 <lady-3jane> you and your weird
17:13:39 <iceTwy> dog pls
17:13:41 <joepie91> lady-3jane; I'm still unsure how to interpret what you said as a whole lol
17:13:48 <iceTwy> I mean
17:13:49 <iceTwy> dawg pls
17:15:07 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) hmm?
17:15:23 <lady-3jane> re: facebook?
17:15:24 <joepie91> er
17:15:25 <joepie91> sorry
17:15:27 <joepie91> I meant iceTwy
17:15:31 * lady-3jane nods
17:17:37 <iceTwy> wat
17:17:44 <iceTwy> oh
17:17:49 <iceTwy> you said you'd put up videos of the fair
17:17:51 <iceTwy> funfair
17:17:53 <iceTwy> on YouTube?
17:18:12 <iceTwy> nvm found it
17:18:12 <lady-3jane> oh ffs, us invalidated snowden's passport as he flew to russia
17:18:17 <iceTwy> LOL
17:18:17 <iceTwy> really
17:18:22 <lady-3jane> yeah
17:18:27 <iceTwy> bitches
17:18:27 <YouKnowMe> >.<
17:18:30 <joepie91> iceTwy, I already linked you to it
17:18:32 <joepie91> er
17:18:37 <joepie91> linked everyone to it *
17:18:48 <lady-3jane> ugh
17:18:49 <YouKnowMe> snowden might as well go roommate with assange
17:19:00 <lady-3jane> I wish he'd have stayed where he was
17:19:01 <iceTwy> He's going to Ecuador
17:19:13 <lady-3jane> yeah, where we can assassinate him
17:19:29 <lady-3jane> It's fucking stupid
17:19:32 <lady-3jane> just like assange going there
17:19:37 <lady-3jane> or trying
17:19:41 <YouKnowMe> so is ecuador like the New America now?
17:19:49 <lady-3jane> no
17:20:04 <lady-3jane> but it's very easy to kill someone and make it look like random drug trafficker violence
17:20:05 <YouKnowMe> my gpa says south africa might be safe from USAGOV
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17:20:42 <lady-3jane> snowden was in a good place
17:20:45 <YouKnowMe> didnt nazis run away to south america? hide in rain forests
17:20:47 <YouKnowMe> china?
17:21:01 <lady-3jane> yeah who the fuck wants to live in a rain forest
17:21:09 <lady-3jane> ironically, that's my retirement plan
17:21:09 <YouKnowMe> better than gitmo
17:21:10 <lady-3jane> lol
17:21:21 <lady-3jane> not really
17:21:49 <lady-3jane> He won't be put in gitmo anyway, he's gonna be tried in a civilian court for treason or whatever
17:22:03 <lady-3jane> as he should be
17:22:16 <lady-3jane> fuck military courts
17:22:42 <YouKnowMe> gitmo is 5 letters, yours was like 500
17:22:55 <YouKnowMe> txt efficiency*
17:24:23 <lady-3jane> what?
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18:04:30 <monod> guysss!!!!
18:04:30 <monod> https://www.fsf.org/
18:04:31 <monod> two petitions
18:04:38 <monod> DRM into html5 o_O
18:04:53 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) what modifications did purecss make to normalize?
18:04:56 <lady-3jane> yes
18:05:08 <lady-3jane> chrome has implemented it behind flags already
18:06:04 <lady-3jane> agh what are the technical details
18:06:11 <lady-3jane> it's all inflammatory language and no details
18:06:20 <lady-3jane> fuckin hate fsf
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18:09:38 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
18:09:42 <YouKnowMe> its like SOPA for HTML?
18:09:54 <lady-3jane> aaah here we go
18:10:09 <lady-3jane> oh
18:10:17 <lady-3jane> so it's not even implementation details
18:10:26 <lady-3jane> it's just standardizing drm api
18:11:04 <lady-3jane> This specification does not define a content protection or Digital Rights Management system. Rather, it defines a common API that may be used to discover, select and interact with such systems as well as with simpler content encryption systems. Implementation of Digital Rights Management is not required for compliance with this specification: only the simple clear key system is required to be implemented as a common baseline.
18:11:43 <YouKnowMe> so in laymens terms that would mean...
18:11:43 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>joepie91:) what modifications did purecss make to normalize?
18:11:44 <joepie91> I am unsure
18:11:58 <joepie91> re the HTML5 DRM
18:12:00 <joepie91> it's complete bullshit
18:12:07 <joepie91> it doesn't provide any cross-platform compatibility
18:12:25 <joepie91> it just opens the door to more DRM without providing _anything_ positive for end users
18:12:28 <lady-3jane> oh is it like windows specific?
18:12:35 <lady-3jane> mm
18:12:49 <lady-3jane> I always figured we'd have a drm-interaction-api, but if it's gonna be so naive
18:14:16 <joepie91> lady-3jane
18:14:22 <joepie91> it's not windows specific
18:14:32 <joepie91> the problem is that 'modules' can be used for DRM
18:14:38 <joepie91> this can (should?) be native code
18:14:45 <joepie91> there's no guarantee that a DRM module will run on any given platform
18:15:06 <lady-3jane> ahh
18:15:16 <lady-3jane> yeah I see what you mean
18:15:25 <lady-3jane> if it weren't native code it wouldn't be performant
18:15:26 <joepie91> the practical result is that it's only a justification of DRM
18:15:34 <joepie91> "see? it's implemented in HTML5 so it's okay"
18:15:42 <joepie91> that kind of reasoning
18:16:08 <lady-3jane> I'd rather it be implemented in a really intelligent way
18:16:21 <lady-3jane> sorta "If we're gonna do it, best not half-ass it"
18:16:50 <lady-3jane> Like my mother always said, "Do it right or don't do it at all"
18:17:46 <MK_FG> Hahah, good luck doing that with DRM ;)
18:17:48 <lady-3jane> do or do not, there is no try
18:17:49 <lady-3jane> :>
18:18:03 <MK_FG> Like, show content but don't show it
18:18:34 <lady-3jane> yeah it's kinda the antithesis of what we have
18:18:41 <joepie91> problem is that DRM can't be done right
18:18:49 <joepie91> why not? because it doesn't fulfill its original purpose
18:18:49 <lady-3jane> it'd take universal hardare and software implementation
18:18:57 <monod> "Like, show content but don't show it" xD I missed you guys, lady, joepie and MK
18:19:06 <joepie91> you can try to make it as unobtrusive as you possibly could, but that doesn't magically make it work
18:19:08 <lady-3jane> lmao how was your tests monod
18:19:25 <monod> insanely wrong, that's why I disappeared
18:19:33 <lady-3jane> well joepie91 the problem is you end up denying users viewing of your shit based on platform
18:19:39 <lady-3jane> just like netflix does
18:20:04 <iceTwy> "hiii"
18:20:06 <monod> I went crazy and I've spent the entire week figuring out ArmA 2.. ended up with disinstalling it today
18:20:08 <iceTwy> "DRM be bad"
18:20:13 <iceTwy> NO MONOD
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18:20:17 <iceTwy> I could've taught you!
18:20:24 <iceTwy> Reinstall it.
18:20:26 <lady-3jane> my friend is a badass in arma
18:20:27 <lady-3jane> haha
18:20:31 <monod> hahah
18:20:46 <monod> I also got transformed into a bird o_O
18:20:57 <lady-3jane> O.o
18:21:01 <MK_FG> lady-3jane, Your metaphorical "friend"?
18:21:02 <iceTwy> that's the anti cheat system
18:21:13 <monod> yay :D
18:21:14 <MK_FG> lady-3jane, Just admin you're arma2 junkie!
18:21:35 <MK_FG> (if that's a thing)
18:22:14 <lady-3jane> MK_FG:) no? actual friend. I can't play arma, I have only linux
18:22:37 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>well joepie91 the problem is you end up denying users viewing of your shit based on platform
18:22:44 <joepie91> that is only one of the problems with DRM
18:23:08 <monod> *afk as usual*
18:24:13 <joepie91> also hai monod
18:24:15 <joepie91> "{
18:24:16 <joepie91> :P *
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18:30:57 <crytocc-c> joepie91 I need someone to rant to
18:31:18 <iceTwy> y u no rant at me?
18:31:23 <iceTwy> crytocc-c: ^
18:31:35 <crytocc-c> lol
18:31:40 <crytocc-c> because its about an asshole father
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18:40:28 <monod> tecnical question: why do we need to restart the entire machine to switch from an OS to one another, going through all the BIOS again? Is BIOS supposed to be ran anytime you need to boot an operative system?
18:40:37 <monod> *afk and back in a sec*
18:40:41 <monod> *or min*
18:41:52 <MK_FG> *operating system
18:42:19 <MK_FG> And you can run different linux kernel via kexec without full reboot
18:43:45 <lady-3jane> is that what... the rebootless kernel upgrade did?
18:44:05 <lady-3jane> ksplice
18:44:45 <MK_FG> No, that thing is even cooler, doesn't need kernel restart either
18:45:26 <MK_FG> Just replaces bits of code right in the ram, if data structures didn't change
18:46:46 <lady-3jane> oh, ha
18:47:03 <lady-3jane> does it just freeze the kernel for a sec or something?
18:47:05 <iceTwy> afk dinner
18:47:18 <MK_FG> I bet it should somehow
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18:53:42 <joepie91> so
18:53:45 <joepie91> who wants to help translating CVM
18:53:48 <joepie91> :P
18:53:58 <joepie91> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/cvm/
19:03:32 <joepie91> added a bunch of languages
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19:05:35 <lady-3jane> the new chrome error messages are annoying
19:05:42 <lady-3jane> OH
19:05:44 <lady-3jane> it has a more button
19:05:47 <lady-3jane> okay we're cool
19:06:05 <lady-3jane> cvm is connection refused
19:06:06 <lady-3jane> btw
19:06:10 <joepie91> ?
19:06:46 <lady-3jane> cvm.cryto.net
19:06:48 <joepie91> ffs not again
19:07:28 <joepie91> fixed
19:09:04 <lady-3jane> what is full logging? do you support remote logging?
19:10:45 <lady-3jane> and what vps containers does cvm support?
19:11:34 <lady-3jane> we use kvm through libvirt atm
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19:21:07 <joepie91> openvz for now
19:21:10 <joepie91> kvm and xen later
19:21:15 <joepie91> also, 'full logging' as said where?
19:21:19 <joepie91> and 'remote logging' in what sense?
19:21:51 <iceTwy> but, wait, joepie91
19:21:57 <lady-3jane> ecurity with attention to detail: PDO, SSH-based master/slave communication with full logging, slow password hashing, existing and proven algorithms, separated administrator and user APIs, openly visible code allowing for
19:22:01 <iceTwy> didn't they want to implement this whole DRM thing via JS?
19:22:03 <lady-3jane> full logging
19:22:09 <lady-3jane> and remote logging is what orgs use
19:22:18 <lady-3jane> you have a log aggregator somewhere
19:22:27 <joepie91> iceTwy: even then it'd just be hooks
19:22:28 <joepie91> afiak
19:22:35 <iceTwy> if it was full JS..
19:22:37 <iceTwy> NoScript
19:22:38 <iceTwy> hahahaha
19:22:40 <lady-3jane> everybody pipes their logs over to it, so if your box gets popped you have separate logs to inspect
19:22:58 <joepie91> lady-3jane: full logging here means that every single SSH-based communication is logged
19:23:04 <joepie91> on the cvm user
19:23:06 <lady-3jane> to a file?
19:23:09 <joepie91> both interactive and non-interactive
19:23:09 * lady-3jane niggles
19:23:12 <joepie91> both input and output
19:23:17 <joepie91> currently to a file that is unreadable to the CVM user itself
19:23:23 <joepie91> and unwritable etc
19:23:25 <lady-3jane> kk
19:23:32 <joepie91> (hence needing root escalation exploit to even be able to touch them)
19:23:42 <joepie91> eventually I might implement remote logging
19:23:49 <joepie91> the thing is that I doubt very many hosts will actually use that
19:23:55 <joepie91> because it'd require a whole separate server
19:24:02 <lady-3jane> that's the idea
19:24:05 <joepie91> that is not your master, not a slave, and not a VPS on a slave
19:24:10 <lady-3jane> log storage and aggregation
19:24:12 <joepie91> most hosts would probably not be happy about having to do that
19:24:12 <joepie91> :P
19:24:27 <joepie91> especially because confidential data, competitor, blah blah blah
19:24:30 <lady-3jane> not happy, but they're not business people either
19:24:31 <crytocc-c> i need to rant lol
19:24:45 <lady-3jane> if you get breached that log box will be your saving grace
19:25:02 <joepie91> crytocc-c: I currently don't have time to listen to a rant, sadly.. kinda busy with CVM
19:25:04 * lady-3jane shrugs
19:25:10 <crytocc-c> lol
19:25:10 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) go hack cvm!
19:25:11 <lady-3jane> :D
19:25:20 <joepie91> lady-3jane: it took 2 years for hosts to realize that a panel that uses exec to read out configuration files, is going to be insecure
19:25:35 <joepie91> can you understand my pessimism in them understanding the importance of an external log box?
19:25:36 <iceTwy> really
19:25:40 <joepie91> :|
19:25:49 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) yes sorry I'm used to dealing with professionals
19:25:50 <joepie91> I mean
19:25:52 <joepie91> there will be _some_ hosts
19:25:54 <joepie91> that understand it
19:25:55 <lady-3jane> which vps providers aren't
19:25:57 <joepie91> but far too many that won't
19:26:01 <joepie91> lady-3jane: oh, some are
19:26:12 <joepie91> there's just quite a few.. less-than-professional individuals around
19:26:19 <joepie91> iceTwy
19:26:19 <lady-3jane> yes
19:26:23 <joepie91> mind helping to translate to french?
19:26:23 <joepie91> :p
19:26:37 <lady-3jane> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/cvm/viewstrings/#fr_FR/main-strings/13739831
19:26:40 <lady-3jane> ^
19:26:55 <iceTwy> huh
19:26:57 <iceTwy> what this
19:27:04 <lady-3jane> translate cvm to french
19:27:08 <joepie91> ^ :P
19:27:17 <iceTwy> YES YES YES
19:27:18 <iceTwy> :D
19:27:18 <joepie91> type translation, tab, type translation, tab, etc
19:27:25 <joepie91> tab = save and next
19:27:41 <iceTwy> Can't type?
19:28:25 <joepie91> you probably have to reg first
19:28:25 <joepie91> :P
19:28:29 <iceTwy> yes
19:28:29 <iceTwy> xD
19:51:49 <iceTwy> joepie91: when you say, VPS terminated
19:52:09 <iceTwy> you mean that it's been shut down
19:52:11 <iceTwy> ?
19:52:12 <joepie91> no
19:52:15 <joepie91> eh
19:52:16 <joepie91> basically
19:52:23 <joepie91> this is how it appears to the end user and admins:
19:52:29 <joepie91> VPS deleted (for example for abuse)
19:52:30 <iceTwy> no but, like
19:52:33 <joepie91> unrecoverable
19:52:33 <iceTwy> yes
19:52:34 <iceTwy> that
19:52:37 <iceTwy> is it this meaning?
19:52:37 <joepie91> how it actually works:
19:52:39 <joepie91> VPS is suspended
19:52:44 <joepie91> then after set amount of time
19:52:47 <joepie91> container is physically deleted
19:52:51 <joepie91> (to have an undo period)
19:52:52 <joepie91> yes
19:52:57 <joepie91> that's what terminated means :P
19:52:59 <iceTwy> yeah
19:53:00 <joepie91> stopping is called stopping
19:53:07 <iceTwy> the two terms come off close in French
19:53:12 <joepie91> language usage is pretty consistent throughout the panel
19:53:40 <lady-3jane> arrete versus... dead
19:53:41 <lady-3jane> lol
19:53:54 <lady-3jane> morir?
19:53:58 <lady-3jane> something
19:54:01 <joepie91> mort?
19:54:06 <iceTwy> nope
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19:54:13 <iceTwy> terminated would be..
19:54:14 <joepie91> mort == dead right?
19:54:14 <iceTwy> résilié
19:54:15 <lady-3jane> mort is conjugated
19:54:16 <iceTwy> yes
19:54:22 <joepie91> arret = stopped
19:54:26 <joepie91> ?
19:54:28 <iceTwy> yes
19:54:30 <lady-3jane> arrete yeah
19:54:34 <iceTwy> arrêté actually
19:54:35 <joepie91> it;s incredible, I recognize some french
19:54:35 <joepie91> hah
19:54:47 <lady-3jane> l'arrte du bus or whatever, bus stop
19:54:55 <lady-3jane> yes but I cannot type those accents easily :D
19:55:19 <joepie91> I can't remember those accents easily
19:55:20 <lady-3jane> oh, hum
19:55:31 <lady-3jane> I know them, they're just so slow to type
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20:02:08 <iceTwy> hard labor joepie91
20:02:09 <iceTwy> hard labor
20:02:22 <joepie91> :P
20:05:58 <screapy> WOW and what a explosion! Do you go the formal or the unformal way?
20:06:23 <screapy> imma ask cause i dont know?
20:07:30 <screapy> Your = Your, but formal != unformal
20:08:07 <iceTwy> Who's translating it to German joepie91?
20:09:35 * screapy <-
20:10:37 <iceTwy> ach ya'
20:10:49 <iceTwy> screapy: I've been taking German lessons for 5-6 years at school
20:11:01 <iceTwy> 4 years with a shitty teacher, 2 with an actual German teacher
20:11:07 <iceTwy> Result: I can't speak a word of German
20:11:08 <iceTwy> LOL
20:11:09 <screapy> yea im teaching russian
20:11:13 <iceTwy> teach me
20:11:20 <iceTwy> so I can talk to my bro Poutine
20:11:58 <screapy> lol
20:12:16 <iceTwy> I know one expression
20:12:18 <iceTwy> Blyat suka
20:12:21 <iceTwy> :D
20:12:31 <screapy> im teaching german to :P
20:12:37 <screapy> *o
20:12:43 <iceTwy> I'd like to speak German :p
20:12:49 <screapy> Come on
20:12:56 <screapy> dont blame urself
20:13:14 <iceTwy> well I know a bit of German, true
20:13:18 <iceTwy> but my grammar's absolutely horrible
20:13:25 <iceTwy> my teacher said I had some vocabulary
20:13:30 <iceTwy> but my grammar is ugh
20:14:09 <screapy> well, joepie91 how u wannit, yours or yours
20:16:49 <screapy> first lesson iceTwy
20:17:42 <screapy> Deine = informal, Ihre = formal
20:19:06 <screapy> doo != zee
20:19:17 <iceTwy> I do know that deine is informal
20:19:19 <iceTwy> and ihre is formal
20:19:24 <iceTwy> I need grammar lessons
20:19:25 <iceTwy> ^^
20:20:22 <screapy> ahh fuckit, i chuzz formal
20:20:57 <iceTwy> yeah I've gone for formal as well
20:26:09 <iceTwy> taking a little break from translating cc joepie91
20:40:45 <monod> ok guys, I'm back! but.. I will only read what I missed so far and then go to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeep......
20:41:56 <iceTwy> monod
20:41:59 <iceTwy> I'll teach you ArmA2
20:42:03 <iceTwy> Reinstall it nubcake
20:51:48 <iceTwy> .bitcoin
20:51:49 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $106.80, 1 BTC = €80.80
20:52:14 <iceTwy> cheap
20:53:57 <monod> how the hell are bitcoinz still so expensive??
20:54:04 <iceTwy> I dunno
20:54:05 <iceTwy> incredible
20:54:36 <monod> iceTwy: sadly I've already uninstalled the game's versions and deleted all the setups from the hdd :/ I was preparing to another studying rush
20:55:04 <monod> and since I did not make it to work, I was more then sure to erase it..
20:55:10 <iceTwy> :/
20:55:19 <monod> but I may reinstall it in some "near" future :D
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20:57:16 <monod> hey loggy! How are you? Always busy uh? :D
20:58:10 <iceTwy> loggy, pointer?
20:58:10 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-06-23#T20-58-10
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21:01:33 <monod> iceTwy, did you play ArmA2 recently?
21:01:37 <monod> lol
21:01:39 <monod> so close
21:01:51 <monod> "he didn't read"
21:01:55 <monod> (it's a meme)
21:10:06 lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc
21:11:31 <joepie91> back
21:11:52 <lady-3jane> dickles!
21:13:02 <monod> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28programmer_subculture%29
21:15:05 <lady-3jane> should just be a paste of catb
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21:21:35 Ashiarai (Yashiki@cryto-A55C5792.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc
21:21:35 <Ashiarai> *busts into the room*
21:22:04 <Ashiarai> YOU! Channel Owner! WAKE UP! >Wash me i say!
21:22:34 <Ashiarai> Do you not hear me?! I SAID >WASH!!!!
21:23:04 <Ashiarai> I DEMAND THAT YOU >WASH ME PUNY HUMANS, FOR I WILL NOT LEAVE HERE SULLIED!
21:23:17 <lady-3jane> hello satan
21:23:34 <Ashiarai> You dare belittle the great foot?! You shall pay for this insolence... Now >wash me!
21:24:05 <Ashiarai> Sir Rossom will hear of this treachery, >wash before you perish!
21:24:25 <monod> what?
21:24:35 <Ashiarai> Mark my words, I will spawn forth a plague demons if i do not recieve a >wash!
21:25:05 <Ashiarai> >WASSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:25:17 <iceTwy> hello Ashiarai
21:25:31 <iceTwy> Welcome to Cryto-CC. This channel is publicly logged.
21:25:36 <Ashiarai> BAH! YOU SOULLESS CREATURES LACK SPINE! YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE LAST OF ME, I WILL RETURN IF YOU DO NOT >WASH ME NOW!!
21:25:44 <iceTwy> Add [off] if you want your message not to be logged.
21:25:51 <iceTwy> joepie91 is the server admin.
21:26:06 <Ashiarai> Your lack of humor does not surprise me, my logic has been wasted on you mortals! I AM THE GREAT FOOT, ASHIARAI YASHIKI! >WASH BEFORE YOURE SQUISHED BY MY GREATNESS!
21:26:15 <iceTwy> proof or lie
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21:26:35 <Ashiarai> http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1g1eto/til_japanese_folklore_contains_a_creature_known/
21:26:35 Ashiarai has parted #crytocc (Lulz brought to you by the <3)
21:26:36 <iceTwy> lol, random dude comes in and tells us tales about his greatness
21:26:37 <iceTwy> :3
21:26:47 <iceTwy> reddit is an invalid argument
21:26:48 <iceTwy> next?
21:27:26 <lady-3jane> reddit link explained
21:27:37 <iceTwy> I know
21:27:39 <lady-3jane> trolling redditor, I'd be honored if it wasn't such a cesspool
21:27:39 <iceTwy> I looked at it
21:32:26 <YouKnowMe> openSuSE is 6GB, are there any 700mb CD versions i can use for instasllation?
21:34:41 <monod> YouKnowMe, http://software.opensuse.org/123/it
21:34:45 <monod> I read 4.7GB DVD
21:35:19 <monod> sorry for the localized URL, it was automatically forged
21:35:22 <monod> "forged"
21:35:26 <monod> (dunno if correct)
21:35:49 <iceTwy> YouKnowMe: don't you want to try a lighter distro?
21:37:42 <monod> I'm curious: what are you thinking of, ice?
21:37:53 <iceTwy> frankly?
21:37:59 <iceTwy> Triskel
21:39:27 <iceTwy> cc monod
21:39:57 <monod> checking it out
21:40:27 <iceTwy> 100% FOSS distro
21:40:52 <monod> Trisquel* I think
21:40:52 <crytocc-c> joepie91
21:40:56 <monod> FOSS?
21:41:03 <crytocc-c> who thinks whmcs will update their software
21:41:05 <monod> free, open-source, o..?
21:41:12 <crytocc-c> as I just exposed a huge vulernability
21:41:16 <crytocc-c> effecting everyone and everything
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21:41:20 <crytocc-c> using WHMCS
21:41:37 <monod> consider private messages or [off] crytocc-c :)
21:41:38 <crytocc-c> Not properly santizied variables on everything...
21:41:50 <crytocc-c> monod ?
21:42:33 <monod> since this channel is publicly logged
21:42:42 <screapy> haha
21:42:59 <crytocc-c> idc
21:43:00 <crytocc-c> lol
21:43:15 <monod> nevermind, just paranohic
21:43:22 <monod> paranoic, par.... whatever
21:44:37 <lady-3jane> lol
21:44:40 <lady-3jane> yes
21:44:42 <lady-3jane> paranoic
21:44:50 <lady-3jane> but, probably paranoid is what you mean
21:45:05 <lady-3jane> crytocc-c:) did you report it?
21:45:12 <crytocc-c> Yes
21:45:14 <crytocc-c> I did.
21:45:29 <crytocc-c> however I was in total shock they don't know how to code...
21:46:09 <lady-3jane> most people don't
21:46:10 <crytocc-c> function {snipped}($arr) {
21:46:11 <lady-3jane> get over it
21:46:11 <crytocc-c> global $whmcs;
21:46:11 <crytocc-c> return $whmcs->sanitize_input_vars( $arr );
21:46:11 <crytocc-c> }
21:46:11 <crytocc-c> .....
21:46:20 <crytocc-c> $whmcs = new WHMCS_Init();
21:46:20 <crytocc-c> $whmcs = $whmcs->init();
21:46:36 <crytocc-c> They fail to understand you don't need to global $whmcs; when its created the instanse in the file already...
21:47:51 * lady-3jane shrugs
21:47:57 <lady-3jane> my shit will get updated the day they do it
21:47:58 <lady-3jane> :>
21:48:16 <crytocc-c> lol
21:48:26 <crytocc-c> if they don't do it, then they're vulnerable and I'll release a POC
21:48:36 <lady-3jane> I've no problems with that
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21:50:35 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: do you know
21:50:37 <iceTwy> ♪ NP @ iceTwy ♪ - Marty Friedman - Evil Thrill - Dragon's Kiss (1988) // 952kbps
21:51:18 <crytocc-c> joepie91
21:51:22 <lady-3jane> no
21:51:24 <crytocc-c> so thats why you wanted the module decrypted...
21:51:54 <joepie91> crytocc-c: ?
21:52:05 <joepie91> also http://localhost.re/p/solusvm-whmcs-module-316-vulnerability
21:52:06 <crytocc-c> joepie91: solusvm module
21:52:09 <crytocc-c> ^
21:52:18 <joepie91> crytocc-c: eh, you know I'm not localhost.re right?
21:52:22 <crytocc-c> ik
21:52:27 <joepie91> and as far as I know that was unrelated
21:52:33 <crytocc-c> but I just have to assume thats a reason why you wanted it decoded.
21:52:39 <joepie91> to my knowledge it isn't :P
21:52:42 <joepie91> no way for me to be certain ofc
21:52:45 <joepie91> but I doubt it is
21:52:50 <crytocc-c> lol
21:52:52 <joepie91> also, things like this are perhaps better suited for [off]
21:52:56 <joepie91> seeing as it was a private message to start with
21:52:57 <crytocc-c> meh
21:53:01 <crytocc-c> i suppose
21:53:09 <lady-3jane> yeah nice opsec
21:53:13 <lady-3jane> outing people
21:53:17 <crytocc-c> Well,
21:53:24 <lady-3jane> no, shut the fuck up
21:53:27 <lady-3jane> take it to pm
21:53:37 <crytocc-c> I bet you'll see tomorrow "ChicagoVPS compermised... AGAIN"
21:56:49 <screapy> yay 100%
21:57:59 <screapy> sure needs to be reviewed ;)
21:58:16 <screapy> hell a bunch of same stuff to type
21:59:02 * screapy < is 1. hahaha
21:59:31 <screapy> mission complete
22:01:24 <YouKnowMe> oh crap, my irc didnt beep. yes iceTwy I need a opensuse distro under 700MB to fit onto a CDR
22:01:41 <iceTwy> y openSuSE tho? :/
22:02:10 <screapy> yast ;( saying
22:02:46 <YouKnowMe> someone said OpenSuSE was easiest
22:03:03 <iceTwy> I could argue on that point
22:03:09 <iceTwy> easiest for whom
22:03:12 <YouKnowMe> my grandfather wants to check email on his old PC, HD=40G
22:03:26 <iceTwy> then he surely doesn't want to use openSuSE lol
22:03:34 <screapy> me too, suse is novell and novell is not favor
22:03:37 <YouKnowMe> TCP/IP is corrupted on WinXP sp2
22:03:51 <iceTwy> YouKnowMe: is checking his mail/browsing the internet all he needs to do?
22:03:56 <YouKnowMe> whats lightest and easiest?
22:03:59 <iceTwy> debian
22:04:00 <YouKnowMe> yes
22:04:00 <iceTwy> stable
22:04:09 <YouKnowMe> thats all, maybe youtube, etc. no gaming, no photoshopping
22:04:20 <iceTwy> yeah, debian stable
22:04:25 <YouKnowMe> he only knows win XP and doesnt want to learn anything new
22:04:32 <iceTwy> it's easy as hell to use
22:04:40 <YouKnowMe> so it has to be easiest for a winxp user
22:04:42 <YouKnowMe> ok
22:04:44 <iceTwy> right
22:04:45 <iceTwy> look
22:04:48 <iceTwy> erm
22:04:49 <YouKnowMe> and under 700M?
22:04:53 <iceTwy> probably yeah
22:05:12 <iceTwy> x86_64?
22:05:15 <YouKnowMe> i was steered away from Tiny7
22:05:18 <YouKnowMe> doubtful
22:05:21 <YouKnowMe> its a very old PC
22:05:33 <lady-3jane> oh, yeah debian is a decent choice too
22:05:35 <YouKnowMe> dell i think, 1990s/2000s
22:05:37 <lady-3jane> and they stayed on gnome2
22:05:45 <lady-3jane> so it'll be arranged just like windows
22:05:53 <YouKnowMe> works for me
22:05:56 <YouKnowMe> googling now
22:06:03 <lady-3jane> for him it'll be different colors
22:06:04 <lady-3jane> lol
22:06:11 <iceTwy> Yup
22:06:13 <iceTwy> 650Mb
22:06:17 <iceTwy> YouKnowMe: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
22:06:22 <iceTwy> CD version
22:06:30 <YouKnowMe> tyvm good sir
22:06:30 <iceTwy> And then install XFCE
22:06:37 <iceTwy> It will run like a /charm/ on an old PC
22:06:38 <iceTwy> I swear
22:06:42 <iceTwy> np!
22:06:47 <YouKnowMe> transmission for torrents, VLC for movies?
22:06:55 <lady-3jane> correct
22:06:58 <YouKnowMe> chrome for everything else
22:07:02 <lady-3jane> yep
22:07:03 <iceTwy> chromIUM
22:07:06 <YouKnowMe> k
22:07:11 <iceTwy> Chromium.
22:07:13 <iceTwy> not Chrome.
22:07:31 <YouKnowMe> ill get wine and SteamForLinux too just in case
22:07:32 <iceTwy> I'd like to have a supercomputer.
22:07:39 <iceTwy> so that I could build Chromium in 1 sec
22:07:47 <lady-3jane> I can't actually agree with chromium vs chrome... chromium doesn't ship pepper flash
22:07:53 <iceTwy> yes it does?
22:07:55 <iceTwy> I mean
22:07:58 <lady-3jane> it didn't when I used it
22:08:00 <joepie91> http://localhost.re/p/solusvm-whmcs-module-316-vulnerability
22:08:02 <joepie91> fun fun fun
22:08:03 <iceTwy> if you install it from Arch Linux's AUR, it does
22:08:12 <lady-3jane> hmm
22:08:20 <iceTwy> joepie91: gibberish for someone who doesn't know PHP!
22:08:56 <joepie91> <iceTwy>then he surely doesn't want to use openSuSE lol
22:08:57 <joepie91> wat
22:09:05 <joepie91> iceTwy: actually it's a vuln in the (C) code of libcurl
22:09:05 <joepie91> it seems
22:09:12 <joepie91> which is interesting
22:09:21 <iceTwy> ah
22:10:39 <iceTwy> worst part; it's curl 7.31.0
22:10:43 <iceTwy> the newest version
22:10:44 <iceTwy> ouch
22:10:50 <lady-3jane> yay
22:10:56 * lady-3jane smells an update coming
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22:11:18 <iceTwy> actually joepie91 and lady-3jane the libcurl team know about it
22:11:18 <YouKnowMe> i want netinst of i386 right?
22:11:18 <iceTwy> http://curl.haxx.se/docs/adv_20130622.html
22:11:28 <iceTwy> YouKnowMe: no, the CD installation of i386
22:11:40 <iceTwy> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/
22:11:43 <lady-3jane> cd will be faster
22:12:03 <iceTwy> heh, with XFCE packed: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso
22:12:05 <YouKnowMe> ok
22:12:08 <YouKnowMe> just first disc?
22:12:08 <iceTwy> YouKnowMe: ^
22:12:09 <YouKnowMe> debian-7.1.0-i386-CD-1.iso 2013-06-16 00:28 648M
22:12:15 <iceTwy> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.1.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso > XFCE packed right away
22:12:26 <iceTwy> I recommend the one with XFCE already packed.
22:12:26 <YouKnowMe> orly? O.O
22:12:30 <YouKnowMe> idk what that is but i want it!
22:12:31 <iceTwy> debian is cool :p
22:12:37 <lady-3jane> yeah
22:12:38 <iceTwy> XFCE is a desktop environment
22:12:39 <lady-3jane> <3 debian
22:12:42 <lady-3jane> my first love in linux
22:12:46 <YouKnowMe> downloading now :)
22:12:47 <joepie91> iceTwy
22:12:48 <iceTwy> haha same lady-3jane
22:12:50 <joepie91> that curl adisory
22:12:53 <joepie91> advisory *
22:12:54 <joepie91> is not the same thing
22:12:57 <iceTwy> is it not?
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22:12:59 <YouKnowMe> 3hours left? wtf kind of connection does gpa have? smh
22:13:00 <iceTwy> they talk about boundaries
22:13:17 <lady-3jane> lol keyword analysis fail
22:13:30 <lady-3jane> ahhh
22:13:32 <lady-3jane> dude fuck yeah
22:13:36 <lady-3jane> rsync --partial
22:13:39 <YouKnowMe> welp.. guess i can scan for old files to backup off old PC while i wait
22:14:40 <iceTwy> wtf
22:14:46 <iceTwy> this is all you can do with this vuln: http://docs.solusvm.com/v2/Default.htm#Developer/Admin-Api/Admin-Api.htm
22:15:09 <joepie91> iceTwy: all you can do?
22:15:12 <joepie91> that's basically everything...
22:15:15 <iceTwy> yes
22:15:16 <joepie91> and yes, they talk about boundaries
22:15:17 <iceTwy> that's what I meant
22:15:18 <iceTwy> lol
22:15:19 <joepie91> but it's a different vuln
22:15:20 <joepie91> ah
22:15:22 <joepie91> the sarcasm was lost on me
22:15:23 <joepie91> :P
22:15:31 <joepie91> the issue here is insufficient randomness
22:15:32 <lady-3jane> text sarcasm
22:15:44 <iceTwy> localhost.re is a cool folk
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22:20:22 <lady-3jane> yay, library updates
22:26:07 <iceTwy> .bitcoin
22:26:08 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $106.73, 1 BTC = €80.80
22:26:17 <iceTwy> 81/0.3
22:26:35 <iceTwy> something like 27.5?
22:27:04 <iceTwy> *0.3
22:27:07 <iceTwy> and 24€
22:29:27 <lady-3jane> sure
22:29:29 <lady-3jane> why not
22:29:30 <lady-3jane> lol
22:33:08 <screapy> hey miners, i have a question to bitcoin
22:33:40 <screapy> is that real comfortable to mine at those prices?
22:34:56 <screapy> when i get a small gh miner, like the one from butterflylabs for 250$, wich produces $13.89 / day is that true??
22:35:13 <screapy> is my calculation wrong?
22:36:21 <screapy> mining with a standard graka is not effordable, 0,01 per day is more than hazzard to my room
22:36:46 <screapy> *mor waste of time, lack of knowing
22:37:06 <screapy> how di you guys mine?
22:38:01 <screapy> indoor? outdoor? kitchen?
22:38:19 <screapy> *confused by the hype
22:38:41 <iceTwy> has anyone bought bitcoins from bitcoin.de?
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22:41:51 <screapy> the more get into, the less comes out
22:42:12 <iceTwy> screapy: no
22:42:19 <iceTwy> I've been reading about this
22:42:23 <iceTwy> because I do mine a bit
22:42:26 <iceTwy> for the fun of it
22:42:38 <iceTwy> all those ASIC manufacturers do NOT SHIP right away
22:42:48 <iceTwy> you have a pre-order for /at least/ 3 months
22:42:51 <iceTwy> til they ship it
22:43:03 <iceTwy> and then after those 3 months, the market will have adapted itself to ASIC miners
22:43:10 <iceTwy> and then yours will be completely inefficient
22:43:18 <iceTwy> so, right now, yes it would be worth it to HAVE one
22:43:32 <iceTwy> but not ORDER one so that it arrives later, when the market will have adapted itself
22:45:08 <screapy> okay, thx. real true 4 fun? so u have a optimistic view for capitalism?
22:45:20 <iceTwy> I dislike capitalism
22:45:22 <iceTwy> ^^
22:45:23 <screapy> thats shit all over
22:45:29 <iceTwy> but yeah I do it for fun
22:45:30 <screapy> i know
22:45:36 <screapy> even
22:45:38 <iceTwy> but
22:45:42 <screapy> i like the idea
22:45:44 <iceTwy> I scripted a little calculator
22:45:56 <iceTwy> that computes whether mining BTC is profitable for you
22:46:08 <iceTwy> based on the energy consumption of your PC
22:46:19 <lady-3jane> does it take power price per kwh as an argument?
22:46:27 <iceTwy> yes
22:46:41 <iceTwy> why?
22:46:42 <lady-3jane> cause I pay alot e.e
22:46:44 <iceTwy> hehe
22:46:47 <iceTwy> how much do you pay
22:46:54 <iceTwy> and what's your PSU power?
22:47:00 <lady-3jane> I mean, we don't pay a lot, but that's because we are very efficient
22:47:09 <lady-3jane> psu? goes to 710
22:47:19 <lady-3jane> current actual usage tops at around 110w
22:47:34 <lady-3jane> I got an 80+gold certified psu, too
22:47:40 <iceTwy> gold?
22:47:43 <iceTwy> hmmm
22:47:50 <iceTwy> I have a Corsair TX650 v2
22:47:50 <lady-3jane> which works out to around 95% efficient or so at this power level
22:48:13 <lady-3jane> I paid a pretty penny for it, but the power saved vs extra cost at purchase time is significant
22:48:51 <iceTwy> yup..
22:49:18 <lady-3jane> our low tier is 13c/kwh, medium tier is like 17c, high tier is 33c
22:49:26 <lady-3jane> but high tier is at only 450kwh in a month
22:49:39 <lady-3jane> very very expensive power
22:50:30 <lady-3jane> my friend only hits his medium tier at 1000kwh/mo
22:50:58 <lady-3jane> but it's fine, it just means everything I buy is for energy efficiency
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22:52:08 <iceTwy> wtf
22:52:22 <iceTwy> we stand on your low tier tho
22:52:31 <iceTwy> oh wait
22:52:33 <iceTwy> you're in the US
22:52:56 <lady-3jane> yes?
22:53:03 <iceTwy> hold onnnn
22:53:05 <lady-3jane> stand?
22:53:16 <lady-3jane> we're using 0.380kwh right now
22:53:18 <iceTwy> okay
22:53:20 <lady-3jane> everybody's pc on
22:53:27 <iceTwy> peak hours for us are your mid tier
22:53:40 <lady-3jane> we don't do that
22:53:48 <lady-3jane> we can choose to, but it doesn't benefit us
22:53:59 <lady-3jane> "peak hours"
22:54:10 <lady-3jane> there's a bunch of plans to pick, we stick with monthly flat usage tiers
22:54:37 <lady-3jane> I am NOT turning my shit off during the day. fuck that shit. I will just buy more efficient components.
22:55:44 <iceTwy> lol
22:58:56 <lady-3jane> hmm tf2 or skyrim
22:59:05 <lady-3jane> wish ro2 was built for linux
22:59:11 <YouKnowMe> wine?
22:59:18 <lady-3jane> for?
22:59:22 <YouKnowMe> ro2
22:59:27 <lady-3jane> why would I do that
22:59:31 <YouKnowMe> why not
22:59:35 <lady-3jane> unreal runs without modification on linux
22:59:40 <lady-3jane> it just needs to be compiled for it
22:59:55 <YouKnowMe> <lady-3jane> wish ro2 was built for linux
22:59:58 <lady-3jane> ro1 was automatically added for linux on launch of steam for linux
23:00:03 <lady-3jane> because the build already existed
23:00:43 <YouKnowMe> does debian need AV like win?
23:00:49 <lady-3jane> no
23:01:02 <lady-3jane> win doesn't need av either
23:01:20 <lady-3jane> keep your shit up to date and quit clickin' shit
23:01:29 <joepie91> wat
23:01:30 <joepie91> no
23:01:31 <joepie91> bad advice
23:01:34 <lady-3jane> lol
23:01:39 <lady-3jane> it's worked for years
23:01:47 <joepie91> lady-3jane: it has not worked for years
23:02:10 <joepie91> personally known at least several people that got infected by a drive-by on an ad network
23:02:12 <joepie91> hell
23:02:12 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) I have been doing it successfully since xpsp3
23:02:19 <joepie91> remember that cisco paper?
23:02:31 <lady-3jane> nope
23:02:33 <joepie91> "malware is more likely to be found on everyday sites, than on porn sites or 'shady' sites"
23:02:40 <lady-3jane> okay
23:02:42 <joepie91> because ad networks and driveby's and whatnot
23:02:44 <lady-3jane> and yet...
23:02:58 <joepie91> "watch where you click" will not save you when there is the 23661346th vulnerability in some MS thing
23:03:04 <joepie91> that gets exploited without you ever knowing
23:03:14 <joepie91> via some pwnt blog or whatever
23:03:17 <lady-3jane> if the codes on your computer, you've already lost
23:03:27 <joepie91> an AV catches most of this crap
23:03:47 <lady-3jane> an a/v represents a significant performance decrease too
23:03:55 <joepie91> stats please
23:04:11 <lady-3jane> I can feel the difference is good enough for me
23:04:14 <joepie91> I have not seen a noticeable slowdown or resource usage peak occur with Avast on my hardware
23:04:28 <lady-3jane> computer takes longer to boot and takes longer to launch applications
23:04:34 <YouKnowMe> avast still the fan fav freebie?
23:04:58 <lady-3jane> I used mse occaisionally, just to doublecheck I hadn't caught anything
23:05:04 <lady-3jane> once every 8 months or so
23:05:34 <YouKnowMe> avast work for debian?
23:05:38 <joepie91> YouKnowMe: considering it's the only free one that A. doesn't rm vital features to make you buy the paid version B. doesn't delete its own definitions or even system libraries as being a 'virus' (yes AVG, looking at you) and C. doesn't bog down your machine
23:05:38 <joepie91> yes
23:05:40 <joepie91> and no
23:05:45 <joepie91> on debian you'll probably be fine
23:05:50 <joepie91> lady-3jane: MSE is rubbish
23:06:21 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) if you say so
23:07:06 <YouKnowMe> oddly, lifehacker endorsed MSE
23:07:15 <YouKnowMe> thats first time i had heard anyone speaking fondly of it
23:07:18 <joepie91> lifehacker is gawker
23:07:24 <YouKnowMe> orly?
23:07:25 <joepie91> I would not take them seriously without a doublecheck
23:07:32 <YouKnowMe> who would you take seriously?
23:07:35 <joepie91> they don't seem to have very strict editorial policies
23:07:41 <joepie91> well... pretty much everyone except for lifehacker lol
23:07:44 <joepie91> (in this area)
23:07:47 <YouKnowMe> ouch
23:07:51 <joepie91> or everyone except gawker I should say
23:07:57 <joepie91> ars is fine, wired is fine, many of the smaller ones are fine
23:08:07 <joepie91> they aren't infallible, but have good editorial policies as a general rule of thumb
23:08:39 <lady-3jane> I liked mse because it Just Works(tm) and isn't norton, avg, or mcafee
23:08:56 <lady-3jane> I used to use avast, hated it
23:09:09 <lady-3jane> nice and fast, had horrible obnoxious defaults
23:09:11 <YouKnowMe> hated what about it?
23:09:23 <lady-3jane> well screaming at me every time it updated was nice
23:09:40 <lady-3jane> and there were no "no" options
23:09:43 <YouKnowMe> screaming like a banshee?
23:09:56 <joepie91> lady-3jane: it's in the settings
23:10:00 <lady-3jane> so if it detected a virus coming over the wire, it would shut the connection down and force me to agree with it
23:10:02 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) irrelevant
23:10:05 <joepie91> oh, that
23:10:06 <joepie91> yes
23:10:10 <joepie91> avast is stupid-user-resistant
23:10:12 <YouKnowMe> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banshee
23:10:24 <lady-3jane> yes I don't like that
23:10:33 <lady-3jane> I would rather not be given the choice than forced to agree
23:11:46 <lady-3jane> If you're the app writer and you think you know better, fucking do it and make the decision for me. But don't treat me like I'm an idiot and force me to agree with your plan of action.
23:12:39 <YouKnowMe> there must be an industry term for this rule of thumb
23:12:40 <crytocc-c> fk
23:12:57 <joepie91> lady-3jane: you do realize that this is pretty much necessary to keep users from doing stupid shit?
23:13:20 <lady-3jane> make the decision for them, then
23:13:23 <lady-3jane> but don't patronize them
23:13:48 <lady-3jane> If there's no "no" option, do not give me the choice.
23:13:59 <joepie91> there is a very big difference, psychologically, between cutting it off + notifying, and making people agree to it
23:14:02 <lady-3jane> (and yes, this came about because I WAS downloading viruses. ON PURPOSE.)
23:14:08 <lady-3jane> yes
23:14:13 <lady-3jane> one patronizes, and one doesn't
23:14:20 <joepie91> I said psychologically
23:14:25 <joepie91> if you just notify, there's a large chance that the user will just disable AV
23:14:26 <joepie91> and try again
23:14:38 <joepie91> if you make them agree to it, then only the people that know what they're doing are likely to do so
23:14:43 <lady-3jane> one pops a notification up and says "we blocked X, kickass!" and the other forces you to agree that they already blocked X
23:15:02 <lady-3jane> I just... no.
23:15:09 <lady-3jane> Do not fucking patronize me.
23:15:11 <joepie91> read above
23:15:16 <YouKnowMe> The Psychology of Coding
23:15:17 <joepie91> look, if it pisses you off, fine, don't use it
23:15:22 <lady-3jane> I will not use software that does so
23:15:24 <joepie91> but there is an actual purpose to this kind of thing
23:15:25 <lady-3jane> exactly
23:15:34 <lady-3jane> I will not use it, and I will not recommend it to anyone
23:16:16 <lady-3jane> If they change that, I'd happily do so. their a/v engine was top-shit when I used it
23:16:33 <YouKnowMe> there should be some kind of universal NGO for the psychology of coding, similar to the IETF/ISOC
23:17:07 <YouKnowMe> instead of everyone winging it without the support of accessable research
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23:20:24 <YouKnowMe> debian@174/626m@44k/s~2h -.-
23:27:07 <monod> goooosh, definitely have to go
23:27:11 <monod> sleep well guys
23:27:14 <monod> see you!
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23:30:11 <joepie91> hai EmptyRedData
23:30:27 <EmptyRedData> Hey there joepie, what's up?
23:30:45 <joepie91> I had a question
23:30:57 <joepie91> do you by any chance speak any languages natively that are not Dutch or English?
23:31:22 <EmptyRedData> Nope. Learning a couple on and off, but nothing passable at all
23:31:28 <joepie91> alright
23:31:29 <joepie91> :P
23:31:47 <joepie91> looking for translators for CVM
23:32:05 <iceTwy> joepie91: useful to have a frenchie at hand, isn't it
23:32:06 <iceTwy> :D
23:32:34 <joepie91> ya
23:32:35 <joepie91> :D
23:34:31 <iceTwy> you ought to teach me some Dutch expressions tho
23:34:32 <iceTwy> :p
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23:41:48 <MK_FG> http://letstalkbitcoin.com/post/53700133097/users-bitcoins-seized-by-dea
23:42:05 <MK_FG> They're coming for your WoW gold next
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