Cryto! 13 June 2013
00:00:15 <crytocc-c> joepie91
00:00:21 <crytocc-c> mind telling mrobvous on lowendtalk
00:00:27 <crytocc-c> he can suck an egg.
00:00:27 <crytocc-c> thanks
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00:16:29 <lady-3jane> 17:16:23 up 2 days, 7:59, 3 users, load average: 12.84, 13.52, 7.48
00:16:48 <lady-3jane> load of 12.8 is doable, 15 was bad
00:17:48 <lady-3jane> didn't crash my ui this time
00:19:36 <lady-3jane> nnova bitch. shoulda cleared my oom before launching two more tabs
00:19:43 <lady-3jane> woops
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00:25:49 <crytocc-c> joepie91
00:25:53 <crytocc-c> you still awake ://?
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00:28:50 <ShadowDemon> Hello world
00:28:56 * ShadowDemon slept quite nicely
00:29:09 <ShadowDemon> How's everything fellas?
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00:33:10 <crytocc-c> laughing atm
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00:36:17 <ShadowDemon> !help
00:36:21 <ShadowDemon> @help
00:36:23 <ShadowDemon> .help
00:36:24 <ShadowDemon> .t
00:36:25 <botpie91> Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:36:24 GMT
00:36:43 <ShadowDemon> .h
00:37:38 <scraepy> .title cryto.net
00:37:49 <scraepy> welcome
00:38:01 <scraepy> to
00:38:56 <ShadowDemon> .title cryto.net
00:38:57 <scraepy> the
00:39:44 <botpie91> scraepy: Cryto Coding Collective :: Home
00:39:51 <scraepy> voila!
00:41:03 <botpie91> ShadowDemon: Cryto Coding Collective :: Home
00:42:10 <ShadowDemon> lol
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00:44:41 <kvasir> fucking hell
00:44:54 <kvasir> computer has been frozen for 15 minutes now
00:45:03 <kvasir> jesus fucking christ linux, pull yourself together
00:45:37 <kvasir> Apparently linux is not very good with oom scenarios :(
00:46:37 <kvasir> problem is, I know it's still working because this pc still has internet
00:46:59 <kvasir> which means unbound is still looking up and returning addresses for me
00:48:36 <kvasir> and things like trying to ssh into it (which isn't turned on) receive instant rejects
00:48:40 <kvasir> so it's not dead, just th gui is
00:48:52 <kvasir> I may turn on ssh after this :D
00:49:15 <kvasir> hopefully it unsticks sometime in the next couple hours
00:52:07 <kvasir> hmm, now dns is starting to take forever. I think it is breaking :D
00:52:24 <kvasir> Man, doncha wish linux had a built-in oom killer?
00:52:26 <kvasir> oh wait...
00:53:22 <scraepy> .wik oom
00:53:23 <botpie91> "Out of memory (OOM) is a state of computer operation (often undesired) where no additional memory can be allocated for use by programs or the operating system." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_memory
00:54:17 <scraepy> i like phenny the first time helping me what you tryiing to tell
00:54:46 <scraepy> :)
00:55:50 <kvasir> yes
00:56:22 <kvasir> my keyboard entries were getting processed before, now it seems to be completely locked
00:56:32 <kvasir> which is weird, because I tried to close a big fat g+ tab
00:56:38 <kvasir> but I'm hoping that lets it recover
00:56:56 <kvasir> I think chrome needs to be smarter >_>
00:57:15 <kvasir> I'm probably stuck in really massive garbage collection hell
01:03:50 <twitchyliquid64> kvasir: sounds like memory fragmentation
01:03:56 <kvasir> what's that
01:03:58 <twitchyliquid64> try killing a bunch of processes and restarting them
01:04:11 <kvasir> I can't kill processes when the UI is unresponsive
01:04:23 <twitchyliquid64> switch to a console TTY
01:04:35 <kvasir> see previous line
01:04:42 <twitchyliquid64> it should still do it
01:04:53 <twitchyliquid64> even if the window manager is dead
01:05:51 <kvasir> you would be mistaken
01:06:01 <twitchyliquid64> strange
01:06:09 <kvasir> mouse input is not taken, nor was keyboard
01:06:09 <twitchyliquid64> thats a rare bug then
01:06:21 <twitchyliquid64> tried control-shift-F1?
01:06:23 <kvasir> before keyboard was queued and run when the pc got to it, but it was very slow
01:06:27 <twitchyliquid64> should stwitch to console TTY
01:06:44 <kvasir> the last seen load is 22
01:06:46 <kvasir> it's not a bug
01:06:57 <kvasir> dualcore cpu, btw
01:07:03 <twitchyliquid64> lol
01:07:09 <twitchyliquid64> Ive never had these issues
01:07:18 <twitchyliquid64> linux has always been god stable for me
01:07:23 <kvasir> Yes, me too
01:07:26 <twitchyliquid64> though, windows BSODs ever 3 or 4 boots
01:07:36 <kvasir> but I was ooming and accidentally opened two more tabs
01:07:45 <twitchyliquid64> silly
01:07:46 <kvasir> it held on for a few minutes, but it's pretty DOA now
01:07:50 <twitchyliquid64> just power cycle computer then
01:07:59 <kvasir> I really would rather not risk dataloss
01:08:09 <twitchyliquid64> got importatn shit open?
01:08:16 <kvasir> all data is important
01:08:19 <twitchyliquid64> lol
01:08:27 <twitchyliquid64> that is why I do continous automated backups
01:08:28 <kvasir> especially when I don't know what can recover and what can't
01:08:34 <kvasir> I do not have that luxury
01:08:43 <twitchyliquid64> I wrote it myself
01:09:02 <kvasir> It requires something offsite with sufficient space. I have neither
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01:09:36 <kvasir> For other things, I'm dropping all text shit into dropbox
01:09:47 <kvasir> which is the only stopgap I have right now
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01:10:44 <kvasir> hmm, I may make an anti-oom script
01:11:04 <kvasir> sync all disks and then start chaos-monkeying
01:14:35 <kvasir> ahh man opera next is nice
01:14:43 <kvasir> I want to see what they do vs chrome
01:20:03 <kvasir> wow
01:20:14 <kvasir> apparently the us state department has its own credit union
01:20:40 <kvasir> and they're the only bank in the country which offers chip and pin credit cards, as used by all europeans
01:24:17 <ShadowDemon> You can dance if you want to
01:24:23 <ShadowDemon> You can leave your friends behind
01:24:36 <kvasir> cause your friends don't dance
01:24:45 <kvasir> and if they don't dance
01:24:48 <kvasir> well they're no friends of mine
01:25:09 <ShadowDemon> True story
01:25:14 <kvasir> brohirrim
01:31:11 <mama> hey vox is empty, i am alone there :s
01:33:46 <mama> scraepy: <3
01:34:32 <kvasir> lol
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01:51:10 <AnonO_o> hai
01:51:23 <emptyreddata> Hi there
01:53:25 <mama> so any one knows anything about vox?
01:53:38 <mama> hello AnonO_o :)
01:53:56 <AnonO_o> hi mama.. nope.. I keep ending up on the split server
01:54:20 <mama> i am almost alone there
01:54:58 <mama> i can even register vox haha
01:55:14 <mama> jk
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02:54:05 <AnonForecast> joepie91, or anyone, can you translate "least authroity" from https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs into laymens for me?
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03:58:17 <lady-3jane> it's exactly what it sounds like
03:58:39 <lady-3jane> reducing the amount of authority any actor in a system can have to the least possible necessary to operate
03:59:09 <lady-3jane> tahoelafs is neat because it doesn't require you trust anybody but your own pc
03:59:20 <lady-3jane> you only have to trust that they stay up, not that they protect your data
03:59:35 <lady-3jane> and with the part redistribution shit, you don't even have to trust that.
03:59:42 <lady-3jane> chunks? whatever they call em
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04:56:16 <ShadowDemon> meo
04:56:19 <ShadowDemon> meow*
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11:48:52 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
11:48:52 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-06-13#T11-48-52
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12:45:19 <joepie91> .in 5 sec test
12:45:20 <botpie91> joepie91: Okay, will remind in 5 secs
12:45:26 <botpie91> joepie91: test
12:45:31 <joepie91> :)
12:45:35 <joepie91> .to loggy test
12:45:38 <joepie91> aw
12:47:23 <joepie91> .beats
12:47:24 <botpie91> @574
12:47:35 <joepie91> .t
12:47:36 <botpie91> Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:47:35 GMT
12:47:38 <joepie91> .t UTC
12:47:39 <botpie91> 2013-06-13T12:47:38Z
12:47:43 <joepie91> .t GMT
12:47:43 <botpie91> Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:47:43 GMT
12:47:47 <joepie91> .t EST
12:47:48 <botpie91> Thu, 13 Jun 2013 07:47:47 EST
12:48:00 <joepie91> .yi
12:48:00 <botpie91> Not yet...
12:48:01 <joepie91> ?
12:48:14 <joepie91> .tock
12:48:15 <botpie91> "Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:48:14 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
12:48:38 <joepie91> .etym bleep
12:48:48 <joepie91> .ety bleep
12:48:49 <botpie91> "'electronic noise,' 1953, imitative." - etymonline.com
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15:22:05 <joepie91> so
15:22:10 <joepie91> http://www.appropedia.org/
15:22:13 <joepie91> I did not know this existed
16:06:36 <crytocc-c> Fuck. I hate kids.
16:06:55 <crytocc-c> Annoying little brats who don't know what the hell they're talking about -.-
16:07:12 <crytocc-c> Fucking mentally retarded.
16:07:41 <crytocc-c> "You use CSF" -> "Oh really? How did you come to that? Is it because you tried to DDOS us and you couldn't even get past the firewall? You little butthurt now..."
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16:30:04 <joepie91> crytocc-c: relax :P
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16:40:54 <joepie91> .bitcoin
16:40:55 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $108.91, 1 BTC = €83.29
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17:55:06 <joepie91> morning all
17:55:17 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) morning!
17:55:47 <lady-3jane> ugh so much work
17:55:52 <lady-3jane> and I'm gonna eat and do MORE
17:56:50 <lady-3jane> another draft of my writeup on rebuilding your personality... another review of my guide to social media (before sending it to a lady for review)... I finally sat down and started collecting all the longform journalism sites I use too
17:57:12 <lady-3jane> all in 3 hours this morning
17:57:43 <joepie91> heh
17:57:48 <joepie91> well, productive :D
17:59:23 <lady-3jane> the lady I'm sending my guide to does it for her job
17:59:29 <lady-3jane> she said she'd gladly give it the thumb test
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18:03:46 <lady-3jane> aaaaand I spoke with a girl last night. for hours. we're gonna meet saturday and I'm going to see if she actually took anything I said (she doesn't, usually)
18:03:55 <lady-3jane> and if she didn't, I'm walking out, never to come back :)
18:04:32 <lady-3jane> she's very bad at communicating, and I've just finally gotten her to realize it
18:04:38 <lady-3jane> we'll see if it sticks
18:05:03 <lady-3jane> I should write an article about fail-fast communication
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18:05:08 <lady-3jane> since it's what I do
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18:05:52 <MK_FG> I wonder, what do you mean by "bad at communicating" there?
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18:06:41 <lady-3jane> MK_FG:) do you, when communicating with others, attempt to head off any miscommunications? Perhaps framing it for them, or in a way they're more likely to understand?
18:07:12 <lady-3jane> She doesn't. She has ZERO for understanding where others are coming from.
18:07:34 <lady-3jane> She never even realizes she's miscommunicating
18:07:55 <MK_FG> Hmm
18:08:00 <lady-3jane> unfortunately it goes both directions for her, though. people don't understand her well, and she doesn't understand them
18:08:04 <lady-3jane> but most don't pick up on it
18:08:28 <lady-3jane> and most of the people she interacts with speak only about triviality, and so perfect communication is not so important or focused upon
18:08:56 <lady-3jane> I've had to learn how to learn all of this because I couldn't speak to people either
18:09:03 <joepie91> lady-3jane: I've noticed that the majority of the conversations doesn't seem to actually include real communication
18:09:06 <joepie91> even for in-depth topics
18:09:13 <joepie91> people seem to operate in a sort of auto-pilot mode
18:09:17 <lady-3jane> my experience is similar
18:09:22 <joepie91> just repeating what they heard elsewhere, barely ever thinking
18:09:24 <MK_FG> I can't seem to also grasp what "where others are coming from" means ;)
18:09:30 <joepie91> giving responses based on some keywords they picked up in a sentence
18:09:36 <joepie91> but never actually parsing the sentences completely
18:09:48 <joepie91> especially the keyword thing is common
18:10:08 <MK_FG> It looks like you mean something like "state of the other person's mind"
18:10:10 <joepie91> to try this in practice: try constructing a sentence in such a way that it says one thing, but if you only listen to the most obvious words in there, it seems to mean something entirely different
18:10:13 <lady-3jane> MK_FG:) so everyone has experiences that lead them to be who they are. Some people are weird about certain things, or view certain interactions VERY negatively. So if you rephrase what you want to say to take things like that into account... you're being more careful of "where they're coming from?
18:10:19 <joepie91> you'll notice that people respond to the 'entirely different' thing
18:10:21 <lady-3jane> s/?/"/
18:10:26 <joepie91> and not to what you are actually saying
18:10:32 <MK_FG> Which I don't think I'm trying to guess in what I normally call a "communication"
18:10:34 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) yes
18:10:35 <joepie91> even if parsing the entire sentence would make it obvious what you are actually saying
18:10:58 <lady-3jane> that's the problem I've had with her, joepie91. and she's not even cognisant that it's happenin
18:11:11 <lady-3jane> and when I point it out she tells me she doesn't understand what I'm saying
18:11:34 <lady-3jane> like being on autopilot so long you forget you've got manual mode
18:11:47 <MK_FG> Ah well, guess I'm bad at it too
18:12:03 <lady-3jane> I had to learn all of this in the last 3 years :)
18:12:17 <lady-3jane> college has been very informative, and it has nothing to do with my classes :)
18:12:59 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) don't mind me, I'm going to steal your phrasing. Want "ty joepie" at the bottom?
18:14:37 <lady-3jane> NP: [Mark Knopfler - Song For Sonny Liston] [Shangri-La] [769kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:25:12 <lady-3jane> huh
18:25:27 <lady-3jane> a someone I follow online is doing another... I don't know what to call them
18:25:43 <lady-3jane> she has these periods of extreme authenticity
18:26:17 * lady-3jane grumbles
18:29:18 <lady-3jane> fuck, two more writeups
18:29:29 <lady-3jane> I need to articulate that, and I should write an article about fail-fast communication
18:29:41 * lady-3jane stamps feets
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18:39:40 <lady-3jane> dude holy fucking shit
18:39:49 <lady-3jane> cryptocat has otr file transfer
18:39:55 <lady-3jane> those words in the same sentence.
18:40:00 <lady-3jane> fuck yeah.
18:40:21 <lady-3jane> https://github.com/cryptocat/cryptocat/wiki/OTR-Encrypted-File-Transfer-Specification
18:42:48 <MK_FG> Heh, I thought it was bad enough even without crypto :)
18:43:01 <lady-3jane> what was bad enough?
18:43:25 <MK_FG> File transfers
18:43:45 <MK_FG> https://xkcd.com/949/
18:44:16 <lady-3jane> oh, yeah
18:44:20 <lady-3jane> seen that one
18:44:35 <lady-3jane> awh
18:44:41 <lady-3jane> their css is not delivered via https
18:44:49 <lady-3jane> unstyled page ftl
18:44:53 <MK_FG> Heh, yeah
18:45:00 <MK_FG> I disabled that thing in aurora
18:45:14 <MK_FG> So much stuff suddenly became broken ;)
18:45:17 <lady-3jane> I wish chrome would more forcefully block mixed content scenarios
18:45:37 <lady-3jane> If you're fucking over your users, your shit deserves to be broken
18:45:38 <lady-3jane> :P
18:46:24 <MK_FG> Hey, I just want to see the hamster dance!
18:46:58 <lady-3jane> hey fuck you!
18:46:59 <lady-3jane> :D
18:46:59 <MK_FG> (probably obscure reference to some end-to-end-sec-fail talk)
18:47:12 <lady-3jane> which talk
18:47:12 <lady-3jane> :D
18:47:17 <lady-3jane> I'll queue it
18:47:25 <lady-3jane> fuck
18:47:30 <lady-3jane> I'm gonna publish so much shit today
18:47:31 <lady-3jane> fuuuuuck me
18:47:40 <lady-3jane> like 3 articles, new css I've been working on
18:47:48 <lady-3jane> new contact page
18:47:49 <MK_FG> http://www.iacr.org/cryptodb/data/paper.php?pubkey=24329
18:47:51 * lady-3jane flails
18:48:00 <lady-3jane> danke
18:48:07 <MK_FG> I remember it because it mentions tahoe-lafs, so they liked it on the site ;)
18:48:13 <MK_FG> *linked
18:48:53 <lady-3jane> oh good
18:48:58 <lady-3jane> tahoe is the sex
18:49:23 <MK_FG> I also seen that "I just want to see hamster dance" analogy referenced in other stuff recently, the way speakeer presents it is memorably hilarious ;)
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19:16:10 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) do you have a free 10 minutes?
19:17:54 <lady-3jane> This is what I wrote this morning, one of em: http://w.explodie.org/index.php/rebuilding/ /cc joepie91
19:18:12 <lady-3jane> more-permanant url will be made later
19:22:44 <joepie91> going to let that sink in
19:25:29 * lady-3jane nods
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19:53:44 <lady-3jane> unrelated, great presentation on website speed http://www.igvita.com/slides/2013/fluent-perfcourse.pdf
20:07:47 <mama> In solidarity with thousands of ground activists who will face an arsenal of repression, join #OpG8 at irc.cyberguerrilla.org ; read http://piratenpad.de/pmlT3nyrS6
20:07:56 <mama> sorry dear joepie91 ;)
20:16:33 <joepie91> hmm
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20:19:35 <joepie91> .startgh
20:19:36 <botpie91> Now watching GitHub.
20:19:39 <joepie91> k.
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20:22:54 <joepie91> lolpie incoming!
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20:23:40 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny: '02Also show relevant branch in commit notices'
20:23:43 <joepie91> hm
20:23:44 <joepie91> or not
20:23:48 <joepie91> oh wait
20:23:49 <joepie91> that's botpie
20:23:51 <joepie91> not lolpie
20:23:52 <joepie91> crap
20:23:52 <joepie91> :
20:23:55 <joepie91> :| *
20:23:57 <joepie91> .startgh
20:23:58 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
20:23:59 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
20:24:01 <joepie91> durrrr
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20:24:49 <joepie91> .startgh
20:24:50 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
20:24:50 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
20:25:11 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny: '02Deal with absence of a branch in an event'
20:25:22 <lolpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny on branch u000203master: '02Deal with absence of a branch in an event'
20:25:28 <joepie91> ... yeah, _almost_
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20:26:28 <lady-3jane> :3
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20:26:36 <joepie91> .startgh
20:26:37 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
20:26:38 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
20:26:47 * joepie91 waits
20:27:09 <lolpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny on branch 10master: '02Fix output bug and change text color'
20:27:11 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny: '02Fix output bug and change text color'
20:27:14 <joepie91> :D
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20:28:14 <joepie91> .startgh
20:28:15 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
20:28:15 <lolpie91> Now watching GitHub.
20:28:43 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny: '02Also output a URL for commits'
20:28:46 <lolpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny on branch 10master: '02Also output a URL for commits' (https://github.com/joepie91/phenny/compare/23f5a1ee3c...0f9e159edd)
20:29:21 <joepie91> I should rename lolpie to testpie
20:29:22 <joepie91> :P
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20:29:56 <joepie91> .startgh
20:29:58 <botpie91> Now watching GitHub.
20:30:00 <joepie91> thar we go
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20:50:18 * lady-3jane bobbles
20:50:37 <lady-3jane> shower, hike, publish.
20:52:08 <joepie91> you forgot an 'eat' in there somewhere
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22:20:31 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) thanks for reminding me
22:20:32 <lady-3jane> :D
22:20:58 <lady-3jane> banana cream pie it is
22:27:03 <crytocc-c> .
22:27:51 <lady-3jane> .
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22:41:46 <Xt3Rn4L2600> hi all
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23:20:31 <lady-3jane> I am not drunk enough for the webshit I'm trying to do
23:20:46 <zest> ))
23:20:47 <lady-3jane> I'm mapping out how the colors should be on links and menu buttons
23:20:58 <lady-3jane> hover and not, clicked and not, default, etc
23:21:07 <lady-3jane> and the borders
23:21:12 <lady-3jane> e.e
23:21:16 <lady-3jane> niggly fumbly shit
23:21:18 <zest> pink and light pink ?)
23:21:23 <lady-3jane> no
23:21:30 <zest> why ?)
23:21:36 <lady-3jane> because I can't see those colors
23:21:44 <lady-3jane> also because I don't like many pinks
23:21:53 <zest> so take strong pink and pink
23:22:01 <zest> ah ..
23:22:16 <zest> what colors you like ?
23:22:39 <lady-3jane> the same shade of orange and blue
23:22:57 <scraepy> unisex colors xD
23:23:17 <lady-3jane> dunno :>
23:23:24 <lady-3jane> they're my favorites
23:23:29 <lady-3jane> and I had a graphic designer lady help me pick em
23:23:38 <lady-3jane> so I've got the pantone colors and all that
23:23:48 <lady-3jane> but she tells me they're the same color
23:24:03 <lady-3jane> which you can see, because when you print the two out in black and white, they're the same color of grey
23:24:27 <lady-3jane> I even picked a yellow that's the same color
23:24:29 <lady-3jane> it's great
23:24:59 <lady-3jane> man, I'm such a fucking nerd
23:25:12 <lady-3jane> girl gets me drunk and what do we do? rip through pantone color books.
23:25:24 * lady-3jane grins
23:26:20 <zest> nice story )
23:26:40 <lady-3jane> :)
23:26:57 <lady-3jane> also holy fucking shit, the default color profile on osx is atrocious
23:27:14 <lady-3jane> It makes the os ui look good, but fucks EVERY OTHER COLOR
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