Cryto! 10 April 2013
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04:24:48 <AnonForecast> whats joepies cryto email?
04:24:52 <AnonForecast> admin@?
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05:59:51 <MK_FG> .joepie-email
06:00:24 <MK_FG> .email
06:00:26 <MK_FG> Missing critical functionality!
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07:36:00 <MK_FG> Angelina, Dunno, maybe check with loggy
07:36:49 <MK_FG> It wasn't me who posted it, I try to avoid spidermonkey scriipts, as they usually leak or lag horribly, in my exp ;)
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13:16:41 <twitchyliquid64> Angelina: Dont think so.
13:17:27 <MK_FG> Wat!? There's lots of new stuff all around
13:17:30 <MK_FG> .bitcoin
13:17:31 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $259.50, 1 BTC = €198.50
13:17:57 <MK_FG> Also, a billionare born every minute
13:18:08 <MK_FG> ...apparently
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13:34:33 <DrWhat> .butcoin
13:34:38 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
13:34:39 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $258.00, 1 BTC = €199.70
13:37:47 <devslashrnd> anyone got BC in here?
13:38:33 <devslashrnd> 2 years ago i was thinkin bout settin up a mining rig, but never did. feel sad nowadays
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15:53:58 <haless.cryto.net> Users on #crytocc: loggy zxcvbnm AnonForecast joepie91 BLTGeno2 foolex dirtyhary smithsonian devslashrnd Taz Xeross DrWhat botpie91 ShadowDemon Angelina Matrix wh1t3r4bb1t @SpaghettiCode jamesbt Divinite_ &MK_FG Ishaq Kamonra lady-3jane j0hnny twitchyliquid64 crates AppleJack IR601 shikat aHlTat Chasenet truetravesty
15:54:05 <joepie91> wtf.
15:55:10 <lady-3jane> your shit: IS FUCKED
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16:03:05 <zxcvbnm> .bitcoin
16:03:06 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $241.00, 1 BTC = €186.00
16:03:13 <zxcvbnm> Boy... price really goes up doesn't it ?
16:03:32 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: What language do you do your IRC bots in ?
16:04:28 <lady-3jane> it's gotta be expensive enough to contain all trade which wants to happen at once in it, so yeah. and the price will continue to rise as interest does.
16:05:14 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: Python, but neither of these are technically mine
16:05:20 <joepie91> loggy is just a modified version of something written by sbp
16:05:27 <joepie91> botpie is a phenny with a few custom modules
16:06:02 <zxcvbnm> Well I'm interested in setting up a couple logging bots, but I don't reaaaally want anything heavy, and haven't found a good solution on github yet
16:07:24 <joepie91> zxcvbnm, have you tried multiloggy?
16:07:32 <zxcvbnm> Nope
16:07:40 <joepie91> https://github.com/joepie91/multiloggy
16:08:19 <zxcvbnm> Ahh. Marvelous.
16:08:43 <joepie91> this particular modification can do multiple channels at once :)
16:08:55 <zxcvbnm> Perfect.
16:09:18 <zxcvbnm> i have another question, totally non-computer related
16:09:53 <zxcvbnm> do American names look funny to you? cause some Dutch names seem pretty wild to me
16:10:35 <joepie91> some american names do
16:10:35 <joepie91> :P
16:10:45 <zxcvbnm> fair enough :D
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16:18:29 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: You need a readme for this. :P
16:20:12 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: it tells you what to do
16:20:20 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: when
16:20:22 <joepie91> it just has usage instructions
16:20:25 <joepie91> when you run it
16:20:36 <zxcvbnm> So I don't modify the contents of the .py ?
16:20:43 <zxcvbnm> I assumed I needed to..
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16:21:33 <joepie91> no
16:22:30 <lady-3jane> lulz
16:27:14 <zxcvbnm> The starting syntax is still confusing, I think I am typing it in right but then it just repeats it back to me
16:27:21 <zxcvbnm> $ ./loggy.py zxcLog irc://haless.cryto.net/crytocc /home/IRC/bot/log.txt
16:27:22 <zxcvbnm> Usage: ./loggy.py <nick> irc://<host>/<channel>[,<channel>...] <logdir> <loguri>
16:27:27 <devslashrnd> even if not, its python, just read the code, its not asm or so
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16:31:13 <zxcvbnm> "But one issue in particular bothers me to no end: the assumption that source code is a reasonable replacement for documentation. The documentation on module X is bad? Just read the source. "
16:32:03 <devslashrnd> said who?
16:32:22 <zxcvbnm> joepie91. I'm not complaining or anything, I was definitely checking out the source code
16:32:35 <zxcvbnm> but I couldn't find any parameters to fill out like you normally do from custom .py scripts
16:33:42 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: blame the original author, haha
16:33:46 <joepie91> anyway
16:33:55 <joepie91> you're missing the loguri
16:33:55 <zxcvbnm> not blaming anyone
16:34:03 <joepie91> you can enter anything random there if you don't care
16:34:10 <joepie91> that's normally the place where the logs are publicly viewable
16:34:11 <zxcvbnm> I was wondering that.
16:34:14 <zxcvbnm> yeah
16:34:19 <zxcvbnm> so it needs all values
16:34:29 <joepie91> yes
16:34:29 <joepie91> also, this is new, someone "hacked" into the offices of Vudu: http://www.vudu.com/password_faq.html
16:34:38 <joepie91> as in, physically broke in and stole HDDs
16:35:25 <zxcvbnm> not encrypted
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16:36:02 <zxcvbnm> o that was quick
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16:36:42 <joepie91> :P
16:37:51 <devslashrnd> uh, blamin law enforcement for waitin 3 weeks for disclosure
16:39:46 <devslashrnd> well, ur passwords are out there for three weeks, including ur email, and if ure john dumb u use ur pwd more than once... thats ugly
16:42:01 <DrWhat> your ugly
16:42:19 <devslashrnd> no u
16:42:36 <zxcvbnm> you're *
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16:45:55 <joepie91> devslashrnd: knowing how law enforcement works, I have absolutely no doubts that their story is legitimate
16:45:59 <joepie91> :P
16:47:15 <joepie91> .bitcoin
16:47:16 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $229.50, 1 BTC = €171.70
16:47:41 <Angelina> .bitcoin
16:47:42 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $229.50, 1 BTC = €171.70
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16:57:57 <lady-3jane> heh
16:58:22 <lady-3jane> hmm gotta leave for class in 15m
16:58:34 * lady-3jane works on political science questions about drones
16:58:39 <lady-3jane> gotta research project to do
16:58:49 <joepie91> .bitcoinb
16:58:51 <joepie91> .bitcoin
16:58:52 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $227.00, 1 BTC = €174.00
16:58:54 <joepie91> lady-3jane: :P
17:00:51 <lady-3jane> :>
17:00:59 <lady-3jane> I'm trying to design a good question for her
17:01:06 <lady-3jane> cause her bounding on what our questions can be, sucks
17:01:24 <lady-3jane> something strictly political science re: drones
17:01:30 <lady-3jane> like political behavior or something
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17:03:52 <lady-3jane> I need to connect drones, political behavior or systems, and the scientific method, in one question
17:04:29 <lady-3jane> one question answerable with facts, and not opinions
17:04:31 <lady-3jane> e.e
17:06:06 <lady-3jane> or I could do the easy way and go with globalization
17:06:38 <lady-3jane> liiiiike "what downsides are there to globalizing a developing economy?"
17:06:58 <lady-3jane> "what are the positive and negative aspects of free trade agreements?"
17:07:16 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:07:17 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $220.00, 1 BTC = €170.00
17:07:20 <joepie91> interesting
17:07:23 <lady-3jane> (for either developed economies, or emerging ones)
17:07:31 <lady-3jane> you could target each of those types differently
17:07:32 <lady-3jane> :P
17:07:41 <lady-3jane> hmm that's much easier
17:07:49 <lady-3jane> I want to do the drone one anyway
17:07:52 <lady-3jane> maybe I'll just do both
17:07:56 <lady-3jane> and only turn one of them in
17:07:56 <lady-3jane> lol
17:08:26 <lady-3jane> this weekend will be workrape
17:08:32 <lady-3jane> it'll be AWESOME
17:08:40 <joepie91> lady-3jane: ._.
17:08:49 <lady-3jane> wat
17:09:10 <devslashrnd> workoholics are suspectible
17:09:21 <lady-3jane> what the fuck is suspectible
17:09:28 <lady-3jane> things other than a word
17:09:51 <devslashrnd> suspicious is what i mean
17:10:36 <MK_FG> Aren't all hackers workaholics by definition?
17:10:50 <lady-3jane> why are workaholics suspicious
17:11:00 <devslashrnd> naa thats not work, its divin
17:11:28 <MK_FG> Oh, you mean "dayjob" kind of work
17:12:25 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:12:26 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $220.54, 1 BTC = €165.00
17:12:30 <joepie91> this might get interesting
17:12:36 <lady-3jane> I'm confused
17:12:37 <MK_FG> .buttcoin
17:12:41 <MK_FG> Still don't work!
17:13:05 <lady-3jane> whatevs
17:13:22 <lady-3jane> I'm a full time student, so school is my dayjob
17:13:23 <lady-3jane> :P
17:13:32 <lady-3jane> but I do lots more work for me than I do for school
17:13:56 <devslashrnd> baw, wanna go to school again, best time of my life
17:14:29 <MK_FG> Wow, your life must suck sooo bad ;)
17:15:09 <devslashrnd> no, school was soooo awesome. lifes not that bad, but school was better
17:15:38 <lady-3jane> yeah fuck school, but it's fun
17:15:45 <lady-3jane> gives me a reason to do way too much work
17:16:02 <lady-3jane> on topics nobody cares about
17:16:10 <lady-3jane> nobody here anyway
17:16:19 <lady-3jane> people all over the place care about the shit I'm working on
17:17:42 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:17:43 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $220.00, 1 BTC = €165.00
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17:25:39 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:25:39 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $210.00, 1 BTC = €170.00
17:27:33 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:27:34 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $210.00, 1 BTC = €165.07
17:27:41 <joepie91> notice how the EUR rate lags behind
17:31:06 <devslashrnd> where are u scrapin from? is it the source that lags or the bot?
17:32:27 <zxcvbnm> interesting: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/04/verizon-rigmaiden-aircard/all/
17:32:48 <joepie91> devslashrnd: blockchain.info API iirc
17:32:55 <joepie91> it's the actual exchange rate that's lagging behind
17:32:55 <joepie91> :P
17:33:33 <devslashrnd> k, lets exploit that^
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17:56:30 <devslashrnd> think i got it. theres a bigger difference in blockchain $ vs mtgox $ than in bc € to mtg€. i think mtgox has different currency pools and theres more action or volume per transfer in the $ pool
17:58:20 <devslashrnd> or the € pool is more liquid than the $ pool
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18:03:03 <joepie91> .bitcoin
18:03:10 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $190.70, 1 BTC = €157.21
18:03:21 <joepie91> devslashrnd: exchange rate between BTC and other currencies is still primarily denominated in USD
18:03:24 <joepie91> it's taken as a 'base'
18:03:43 <joepie91> due to people trying to turn a profit by trading with various different currencies
18:03:52 <joepie91> it causes a de facto 'equilibrium' between USD and EUR rate
18:03:56 <joepie91> just with a bit of lag
18:09:49 <devslashrnd> hm, dunno bout the internals of mtgox, 2 pools makes sense to spare exchange fees. thought thats where the lag comes from
18:20:36 <devslashrnd> .bitcoin
18:20:37 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $173.50, 1 BTC = €149.35
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18:33:32 <devslashrnd> .bitcoin
18:33:33 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $156.01, 1 BTC = €141.49
18:34:19 <devslashrnd> almost 30% in less than 5h
18:35:22 * zxcvbnm ze crash and ze burn
18:35:37 <zxcvbnm> If it keeps going down I'll actually buy some
18:39:45 <zxcvbnm> .bitcoin
18:39:46 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $178.00, 1 BTC = €150.00
18:39:53 <zxcvbnm> and back up
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18:58:56 <devslashrnd> .bitcoin
18:58:56 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $172.42, 1 BTC = €107.00
18:59:38 <MK_FG> Bubble-bobble!
19:00:35 <joepie91> so, uh
19:00:40 <joepie91> .bitcoin
19:00:41 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $172.42, 1 BTC = €107.00
19:00:51 <joepie91> http://owely.com/0UZ98m
19:01:09 <joepie91> so
19:01:11 <joepie91> that graph
19:01:26 <joepie91> I think mt gox is having two or more different order queues that it's processing at the same time
19:01:33 <joepie91> like an "instant order" queue and a "normal order" queue
19:01:52 <joepie91> the normal order queue is lagged behind because of the trading engine lag of 4k+ seconds
19:01:58 <joepie91> so still according to the old exchange rate
19:02:05 <joepie91> while the instant queue is executed straight away
19:02:12 <joepie91> which would explain the ridiculous constant jumps
19:02:18 <joepie91> nice work mt. gox
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19:08:03 <devslashrnd> could u place orders like buy/sell when the price hits 150? looks like a resistance zone
19:13:37 <joepie91> devslashrnd: ?
19:14:08 <devslashrnd> are there pending orders or only instant ones?
19:14:32 <joepie91> both
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19:24:30 <devslashrnd> so there are a bunch of orders sayin, if it reaches 150 than buy and other orders sayin if it reaches 190 again, than sell. also at 180 and 140. thats where the movements from, depending on the direction such a zone is called resistance or support zone, the rule is, if the course leaves the zone on one end or the other, than buy/sell cause there is no limit in that move
19:24:54 <devslashrnd> it could fall down to 50 or raise upto 300
19:25:27 <devslashrnd> thats classical chart theory, kind of borin
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19:45:10 <devslashrnd> watchin the bt chart makes me wantin to finish my fractal trading bot, maybe rewrite from mql4 to python and use the mtgox api
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20:17:16 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:17:17 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $139.94, 1 BTC = €110.00
20:17:36 <ryan> lol
20:18:15 <ryan> joepie91: mtgox disappearing seems to have caused more than a brief derp
20:18:39 <joepie91> ryan: disappearing?
20:18:43 <ryan> even though only temporary disappearance
20:18:47 <ryan> from the internet
20:18:48 <joepie91> I haven't seen it go down
20:19:15 <ryan> there was
20:19:19 <ryan> a plenty of ddos
20:19:22 <ryan> then mtgox was like
20:19:25 <ryan> oh god we're being packeted
20:19:29 <ryan> and suddenly bitcoins go down
20:19:35 <joepie91> what I find more interesting
20:19:36 <joepie91> is this quote:
20:19:37 <joepie91> (sec)
20:19:45 <ryan> the one where they say that they wont fix their shit?
20:19:50 <joepie91> As far as preventing the attacks, Mt. Gox says there isn't much it can do other than disconnect the trade engine backend from the internet [...]
20:19:53 <joepie91> I- what?
20:19:57 <ryan> they are on
20:19:59 <ryan> prolexic
20:20:02 <joepie91> why is your trade engine connected to shit in the first place?
20:20:02 <ryan> which filters attacks
20:20:06 <joepie91> yes, but like
20:20:08 <ryan> but
20:20:10 <ryan> they have everything
20:20:12 <ryan> on 1 box
20:20:14 <joepie91> how is their trade engine in a place where it can be attacked
20:20:14 <joepie91> ..
20:20:18 <joepie91> kidding me right?
20:20:19 <ryan> (which is coincidentally the same box as btctalk)
20:20:31 <ryan> (btctalk coincidentally used to run vulnerable smf)
20:21:02 <ryan> aren't all of these coincidences funny
20:21:16 * joepie91 facepalms
20:22:07 <ryan> I might have forgotten the part where mtgox nor btctalk announce this fact
20:24:33 <ryan> I think tibanne even used to sell shared hosting on the mtgox server
20:24:37 <ryan> at least old dns records hint towards that
20:24:39 <ElectRo`> mtgox backend blows
20:24:59 <ryan> mtgox everything blows
20:25:19 <ElectRo`> huge sell order goes threw and boom
20:25:40 <joepie91> ryan: have you considered writing an article about this?
20:26:22 <ryan> no I'm way too lazy to do that
20:26:46 <zest> so nobody need it
20:27:02 <ryan> I could call them out on btctalk though
20:27:29 <joepie91> might be worth it
20:27:39 <ryan> looks like btctalk switched servers
20:27:39 <joepie91> the mt gox bullshit is really starting to pile up
20:27:50 <ryan> I kind of wanna wait and just see it explode
20:28:53 <ryan> also, manually reconstructing corrupt pdf files is a bitch
20:28:53 <zest> bitcoin's barons earned already enough money
20:31:22 <joepie91> .itcoin
20:31:23 <joepie91> er
20:31:24 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:31:25 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $139.94, 1 BTC = €106.98
20:32:54 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:32:55 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $148.24, 1 BTC = €117.12
20:32:58 <joepie91> interesting
20:33:21 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:33:22 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $148.24, 1 BTC = €117.12
20:34:16 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:34:17 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $148.24, 1 BTC = €117.12
20:34:52 <zest> traders ...
20:34:55 <ElectRo`> my order for 135 took forever :(
20:34:59 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:35:00 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $148.24, 1 BTC = €117.12
20:35:03 <joepie91> how often does this thing update
20:35:08 <joepie91> (blockchain.info API)
20:35:22 <joepie91> ElectRo`: everything takes forever
20:35:23 <joepie91> because mt gox
20:35:25 <joepie91> :|
20:35:51 <ElectRo`> idk how long blockchain takes
20:36:16 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:36:17 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $148.24, 1 BTC = €117.12
20:37:12 <ElectRo`> i like http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/
20:37:39 <zest> they not save enough for something really huge
20:38:04 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:38:05 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $160.00, 1 BTC = €119.76
20:38:07 <joepie91> hey look
20:38:15 <joepie91> seems a 5 minute update interval
20:40:00 <zest> grow will be again but you know someone want to buy cheaper than it is and DDOS is a right tool
20:40:03 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: You know what would be cool? If the bot updated on large swings up or down
20:40:13 <joepie91> meh
20:40:26 <joepie91> not enough fresh data for that
20:40:32 <joepie91> from blockchain.info API
20:40:40 <joepie91> if you feel like writing a module that uses streaming data, go ahead :P
20:41:41 <zxcvbnm> are you just pulling everytime you ask .bitcoin ?
20:41:53 <joepie91> yes
20:44:28 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) have you talked to magicaltux about how mtgox works? (re complaints about their system)
20:44:51 <lady-3jane> He's in the process of rewriting that entire system right now
20:45:02 <lady-3jane> it'll be "deployed" this spring, I think this month was his goal
20:45:10 <lady-3jane> vastly less lag and better matching etc
20:45:41 <lady-3jane> I was in #mtgox a couple weeks ago and he was talking about it
20:46:28 <lady-3jane> and yeah, it is all on one box right now
20:46:40 <lady-3jane> new system is gonna have a whole net of frontboxes the apis sit on
20:46:43 <lady-3jane> talking to the backend
20:48:23 * zest scratch head
20:49:22 <joepie91> lady-3jane
20:49:31 <joepie91> I was in that channel a long time ago
20:49:34 <joepie91> back when they had the old site
20:49:41 <joepie91> he made the exact same claims
20:49:50 <joepie91> and the new promised site came, and it was still shit
20:50:05 <joepie91> I'm taking what he claims with an ounce of salt until I see the actual substance to back it up
20:50:11 * lady-3jane shrugs
20:50:22 <lady-3jane> this isn't a front stuff rewrite
20:50:33 <joepie91> he promised a "trade engine rewrite" back then as well
20:50:39 <lady-3jane> he pretty much said he's still running on the original matching engine or whatever
20:51:31 <lady-3jane> it was funny cause someone was giving him shit
20:51:53 <zest> )
20:51:59 <lady-3jane> cause the person says they do shit like that (distributed message distribution systems and matching engines...) at $dayjob
20:52:11 <joepie91> lady-3jane: if he didn't fulfill his promise of a new trading engine last time, I see no reason to assume that he will do so now :|
20:52:17 <lady-3jane> and that it'd take em a weekend to do better than what he has, and two weeks to do it right
20:52:18 <joepie91> until I actually see it in action
20:52:55 <lady-3jane> side effects of free market
20:52:57 <lady-3jane> :P
20:55:52 <lady-3jane> ha oh man
20:55:57 <lady-3jane> bitcoincharts is 502'd
20:56:20 <lady-3jane> If this shit with mtgox goes on through the spring I'm going to stop saying anyone should ever go there
20:56:38 <lady-3jane> Every time I see it it looks more like a proper conspiracy and less a software scalability failure
20:56:49 <joepie91> I doubt it's a conspiracy
20:56:54 <joepie91> I think it's just someone that likes easy money
20:57:08 <joepie91> for what is effectively being treated like a spare-time hobby project
20:57:11 <zest> de ja vu
20:57:18 <lady-3jane> urg
20:57:27 <lady-3jane> I keep seeing people take that approach
20:57:28 <lady-3jane> such blinders they have
20:57:40 <lady-3jane> there is so much more wealth to be made by doing it the hard way
20:57:46 <lady-3jane> the long term and hard way
20:57:52 <zxcvbnm> < joepie91> I'm taking what he claims with an ounce of salt until I see the actual substance to back it up
20:57:59 <zxcvbnm> An ounce of salt would actually be a lot :D
20:58:05 <zxcvbnm> i know i know... semantics i'm sorry
20:58:15 <zxcvbnm> Grain of salt would probably be more appropriate :)
20:58:17 <lady-3jane> yes that's the idea
20:58:20 <lady-3jane> lots of salt
20:58:21 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: exactly the point
20:58:22 <joepie91> lol
20:58:41 <joepie91> .bitcoin
20:58:42 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $184.50, 1 BTC = €148.56
21:00:05 <lady-3jane> I hate that though. I just look at it like: So if you do it the hard way, you're good at what you do and you build for the long game, you'll end up being THE respected name in whatever it is. People will love you. You can very easily monopolize a market that way, and if you do not abuse your monopoly you will keep it for many years to come.
21:00:31 <lady-3jane> people will allow it
21:01:06 <lady-3jane> I think most money grubbers listen to western philosophy instead of eastern
21:01:08 <lady-3jane> :/
21:01:21 <ElectRo`> if you push a good product, a monopoly is more widely accepted
21:01:38 <lady-3jane> that's what I mean
21:02:01 <lady-3jane> Why only make yourself some millions of dollars when you can make it for the next 5 generations in your family?
21:02:10 <ElectRo`> most companies dont take that risk on first gen products
21:02:26 <zest> too lazy ? ))
21:02:27 <lady-3jane> hence playing the long game
21:02:28 <lady-3jane> :P
21:03:20 <lady-3jane> But eh, I would be weird running a company
21:04:06 <ElectRo`> like selling wooden computers XD
21:04:08 <zest> you can buy part
21:04:23 <joepie91> .bitcoin
21:04:24 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $190.00, 1 BTC = €145.37
21:04:46 <lady-3jane> I think if I took over running a company there would be a cultural shift
21:05:05 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) I bet someone sold a bunch
21:05:07 <zest> is it possible to buy part of a bitcoin business with rights to change smthng?
21:05:25 <lady-3jane> if you're on the board you can influence their decisions
21:05:26 <lady-3jane> :)
21:05:28 <zest> * that is the problem too
21:05:49 <lady-3jane> does mtgox have a board of directors?
21:05:54 <lady-3jane> maybe I should try to get on it
21:06:02 <zest> 2 guys rule everything
21:06:12 <lady-3jane> smart of them
21:07:02 <lady-3jane> it would not be hard to launch a coup and take the company from him, if there was a board
21:07:15 <lady-3jane> he would have to be very very good with his lawyers and paperwork to prevent that
21:07:26 <zest> )
21:09:28 <lady-3jane> weird
21:09:36 <lady-3jane> this cream cheese is so fatty it tastes like butter
21:09:42 <zest> )))
21:09:48 <lady-3jane> it's delicious :>
21:09:56 <zest> I want it )
21:10:04 * lady-3jane offers a slab
21:12:27 <joepie91> lol
21:12:27 <joepie91> lady-3jane
21:12:28 <joepie91> http://bitcoinity.org/markets/mtgox/USD
21:12:49 <lady-3jane> lol'd
21:12:56 <lady-3jane> not a conspiracy?
21:12:59 <lady-3jane> :)
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21:23:13 <joepie91> .bitcoin
21:23:14 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $191.00, 1 BTC = €151.99
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21:23:46 <AnonyOps> joepie91 http://www.saveyourprivacypolicy.org/
21:23:51 <AnonyOps> Have you seen this?
21:24:05 <joepie91> yes I know
21:24:09 <joepie91> I have already been spammed to death
21:24:09 <joepie91> about it
21:24:09 <joepie91> :P
21:24:12 <AnonyOps> :p
21:24:24 <AnonyOps> Was thinking about creating a banner of anonyops
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21:27:07 <Emergency_Breaking_News> Hey joepie91, http://www.saveyourprivacypolicy.org/ !!!!!!
21:27:10 <Emergency_Breaking_News> Gotta go.
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21:27:17 <AnonyOps> LOL
21:27:21 * lady-3jane laughs
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21:35:30 <lady-3jane> I'm slowing closing in on a properly configured window manager
21:35:37 <lady-3jane> dicking around with i3's config
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21:49:10 <joepie91> .bitcoin
21:49:11 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $170.03, 1 BTC = €139.40
21:49:56 <lady-3jane> dat wobble
21:51:24 <joepie91> (10:33:16 PM) Sven Slootweg: I think BTC might stabilize (for a bit) at 160 or so
21:54:10 <lady-3jane> oh dear, new nvidia drivers
21:54:19 <lady-3jane> could be fine, could be dead UI
21:54:50 <zxcvbnm> alright
21:54:52 <zxcvbnm> you guys stay classy
21:54:54 <zxcvbnm> see you tomorrow.
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21:56:26 <joepie91> .bitcoin
21:56:27 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $162.01, 1 BTC = €129.70
21:57:10 <lady-3jane> mmk
21:57:21 <lady-3jane> I now have a new kernel AND new graphics drivers waiting for me after a reboot
21:57:25 <lady-3jane> obvious solution: never reboot
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22:20:07 <ryan> 22:17:38 [ Shaniqua] BITCOINS COLLAPSING! LAST TRADE: $92.9529
22:20:08 <ryan> lold
22:28:44 <ryan> http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/04/todays-bitcoin-crash-shows-why-its-not-really-currency/64100/
22:28:58 <ryan> that's actually a somewhat good read
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22:31:20 <ryan> is a "currency" a currency if not used as such?
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22:32:52 <joepie91> .bitcoin
22:32:53 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $150.00, 1 BTC = €121.00
22:33:12 <joepie91> ryan: I'd argue that whether something is a currency is determined by whether it has the desirable properties necessary to use it as a currency
22:33:49 <joepie91> yum taking its sweet time, as usual
22:34:22 <ryan> stable stocks aren't really too much different from "real world currencies" nowadays
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22:58:34 <joepie91> looks like I'll not be using Skype for the foreseeable future
22:58:39 <joepie91> piece of shit is making my kernel crash
23:01:01 <scaepy> lol is it the skype or the hype? skype sold to ms for $8^9
23:02:03 <scaepy> a kernel crashs only once a year i think, not forget about the insmods ;))
23:02:14 <ryan> who runs skype
23:02:19 <ryan> worst thing
23:02:22 <scaepy> never ever
23:05:13 <scaepy> ms wants it just implementing their cool 8er ui maybe, to stand up against macs facetime or whatever
23:05:55 * scaepy dunno care much
23:07:39 <scaepy> only think i know really is that skype was developed by the guys who build kazaa and other p2p protocols
23:07:50 <scaepy> so it is sad
23:18:33 <lady-3jane> the undercarriage to skype was brilliant
23:18:45 <lady-3jane> the gui is shit yeah, but that's a whole separate bit of code, or was
23:19:39 <lady-3jane> I remember being in love with skype 2. 1.4 was really good too.
23:20:02 <lady-3jane> after that nothing really happened
23:20:13 <lady-3jane> got some HD video and higher quality audio, that's about it
23:20:26 <lady-3jane> and they started clamping down conference calls so only paying people could use it
23:20:35 <lady-3jane> used to be we'd run conference calls with 20 people
23:20:37 <lady-3jane> :/
23:20:52 <lady-3jane> cause it'd scale up to whatever system resources the host had
23:21:15 <lady-3jane> so we had a buddy on the east coast with some 50mbit sync or so and a quadcore at the time, so he'd host
23:21:25 <ryan> skype is
23:21:29 <ryan> shit in every possible way
23:22:09 <DrWhat> Skype is aamazzing :D
23:22:15 <ryan> god no
23:22:27 <scaepy> glad you complain
23:22:29 <DrWhat> Suck my dick gnger bread man
23:22:46 <lady-3jane> skype was beautifully architected. Just because it sucks now doesn't mean it wasn't great before
23:23:02 <DrWhat> skype was and still is Amazing
23:23:08 <ryan> it's always been buggy and slow as hell
23:23:08 <DrWhat> What can replace it?
23:23:10 <DrWhat> Skype replaced msn
23:23:17 <DrWhat> Whats replacing skype?
23:23:27 <scaepy> xmpp
23:23:29 <ryan> there's a million things that replace voice chat
23:23:41 <ryan> irc and xmpp are in every way superior to skype as text chats
23:23:41 <DrWhat> i dont use skype for voice chat
23:23:54 <lady-3jane> ryan:) how many of them are one click setup and as accessible to people as skype?
23:24:02 <DrWhat> Yeah except the one flaw witch is user base
23:24:12 <ryan> lady-3jane: they are protocols
23:24:20 <ryan> pidgin is pretty much one click setup
23:24:23 <lady-3jane> sure, but somebody's gotta host an xmpp server
23:24:24 <ryan> hell
23:24:28 <ryan> everybody uses xmpp
23:24:30 <ryan> gtalk
23:24:30 <DrWhat> IRC has grown in sociaty as and advance text chat?
23:24:31 <lady-3jane> and someone else has to hook their shit up to it
23:24:38 <ryan> facebook chat
23:24:44 <DrWhat> facebook sucks
23:24:46 <DrWhat> IN TOTAL
23:24:48 <ryan> gtalk doesn't
23:24:50 <DrWhat> NEVER MENTION THAT HERE!
23:25:07 <ryan> It's a good example in context, I don't give a crap about your ideologies
23:25:20 <ryan> and besides, weren't you not supposed to use the internet anyways?
23:25:40 <DrWhat> Who the fuck are you.
23:25:53 <lady-3jane> ryan:) problem with those examples though is that isn't what I use skype for. It's for voice and video.
23:26:03 <lady-3jane> irc is def my preference for chat :P
23:26:14 <scaepy> and a file here and there - watch out their wifi snapin
23:26:21 <DrWhat> skype would be my fav for group chat
23:26:22 <ryan> lady-3jane: well mumble is good for voice
23:26:27 <DrWhat> if the lag wasnt atrosus
23:26:38 <ryan> google has a great video chat solution
23:26:46 <ryan> and voice
23:26:48 <lady-3jane> ryan:) and I love mumble, but it takes an hour to set the voice up on it
23:26:54 <ryan> huh?
23:27:05 <ryan> mumble has always worked fine for me
23:27:07 <lady-3jane> It's impossibly complicated to tune
23:27:14 <lady-3jane> so that it "just works"
23:27:18 <lady-3jane> I have to baby people
23:27:32 <ryan> wat
23:27:42 <ryan> lmc
23:27:47 <DrWhat> Never heard of mumble?
23:27:48 <lady-3jane> yeah man
23:27:51 <ryan> there's like
23:27:53 <lady-3jane> it's fucking annoying
23:27:53 <ryan> 5 configuration steps
23:28:02 <DrWhat> wuts mumble
23:28:04 <ryan> all of which
23:28:08 <ryan> could be on one page
23:28:09 <ryan> p much
23:28:14 <ryan> DrWhat: voice chat
23:28:19 <DrWhat> oh
23:28:23 <DrWhat> sucks much?
23:28:25 <lady-3jane> yes, in the wizard, which has not resulted in a decently configured setup in any of the people I've gotten to use it
23:28:31 <lady-3jane> no, it's great
23:28:33 <lady-3jane> uses opus too
23:28:40 <lady-3jane> audio quality for mumble is through the roof
23:28:54 <DrWhat> my audio quality on skype is great
23:28:57 <lady-3jane> but the onramp sucks
23:29:26 <lady-3jane> I run our mumble server (just to make that part of it easy "No, you don't have to sign up just put this server in the box and go")
23:29:57 <DrWhat> oh so mumble is like ventrilo or team speak?
23:30:00 <lady-3jane> sure
23:30:03 <lady-3jane> except less shitty
23:30:15 <DrWhat> I dont think ventrilo is shitty
23:30:21 <ryan> ahahahaha
23:30:27 <ryan> How is ventrilo not shitty
23:30:27 <DrWhat> team speak maybe
23:30:37 <DrWhat> quality is not that good
23:30:41 <lady-3jane> yeah they both suck shit through 10 bricks
23:30:45 <ryan> There's tons of unpatched vulnerabilities
23:30:48 <lady-3jane> and have horrible horrible licensing terms
23:31:12 <DrWhat> there a other daemons that run the ventrilo protacal
23:31:27 <lady-3jane> for the 12 people that use them
23:31:30 <ryan> well there's no good client
23:31:34 <ryan> so it hardly matters
23:31:39 <scaepy> look i still have a 4 digit pass from skype at some account ... very cool isnt it LOL! teamspeak is for l33t gamers, i honor it...
23:31:49 <scaepy> what is vertilo
23:31:59 <lady-3jane> ventrillo
23:32:02 <DrWhat> how do you have a 4 didit pass?
23:32:04 <scaepy> *ventrilo
23:32:06 <lady-3jane> same as teamspeak, but a hair less shitty
23:32:10 <ryan> all pro gamers use mumble anyways
23:32:13 <DrWhat> thought the mimimum was 8?
23:32:18 <lady-3jane> yeah positional audio ftw
23:32:29 <ryan> positional audio is banned in most tournaments iirc
23:32:35 <lady-3jane> really? awh
23:32:36 <ryan> and in esea too p sure
23:32:45 <lady-3jane> shit sucks
23:32:47 <lady-3jane> lmao
23:32:49 <ryan> also it's not good as they make it out to be
23:33:05 <lady-3jane> I've never tried it with a game that mumble officially supported, so it's whatever
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23:33:09 <scaepy> not possible hah? it is...
23:33:11 <lady-3jane> I just thought "damn, that's a fucking cool idea!?
23:33:14 <lady-3jane> "
23:33:24 <ryan> o its apparently allowed in esea
23:34:00 <lady-3jane> huh, first time I've heard of esea
23:34:12 <ryan> esea is biggest counter strike league
23:34:15 <lady-3jane> interesting
23:34:28 <ryan> they probably have more players than valve official servers
23:34:38 <ryan> esea.net
23:34:40 <lady-3jane> yeah I don't track any competitive stuff, so I have no idea about most of this shit
23:34:48 <lady-3jane> same with sports and such too
23:35:05 <ryan> yea
23:35:21 <ryan> kinda different for me since I actually play competitively
23:35:33 <lady-3jane> I've played games quite a bit in the past, but not much anymore
23:35:45 <lady-3jane> I should have gone out for cal or whatever it was called
23:35:49 <lady-3jane> back when I played css
23:36:13 <ryan> if you played css im surprised you haven't heard of esea
23:36:30 <lady-3jane> only realized In hindsight that I was any good
23:36:42 <lady-3jane> I played because I was taking concerta at the time
23:36:52 <lady-3jane> and I had to focus on something, anything, if I was awake
23:36:53 <scaepy> teh e-sn1per
23:36:59 <scaepy> lel
23:37:02 <ryan> mm
23:37:21 <lady-3jane> I stopped taking adhd meds, and slowly slowly games have fallen away
23:37:32 <lady-3jane> As I chill out more over time I play less
23:37:35 <lady-3jane> It's interesting to watch
23:37:36 <lady-3jane> :)
23:37:52 <ryan> copenhagen games were a great watch
23:39:03 <lady-3jane> mmm
23:39:06 <scaepy> look out demo scene 64k intro i got blamed http://www.scene.org/file.php?file=
23:39:14 <lady-3jane> yeah I watched some bits of the league of legands world tourneys or whatever
23:39:19 <DrWhat> so ryan
23:39:27 <lady-3jane> pretty sweet shit
23:39:38 <DrWhat> you the ginger bread man
23:39:46 <ryan> ok
23:40:03 <lady-3jane> but eh, all I did when I played LoL was scream RAMMUS
23:40:09 <lady-3jane> and flashball people
23:40:10 <ryan> scaepy: pouet.net
23:40:15 <scaepy> K
23:40:41 <lady-3jane> and taunt people into traps
23:40:46 <lady-3jane> rammus is so much fun :>
23:40:57 <lady-3jane> I just troll with him, don't give a fuck about winning
23:40:59 <scaepy> uhh i like the smel of graf and stuff!
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