Cryto! 7 February 2013
00:00:53 <ryan> idk if you fixed it
00:00:56 <ryan> you used to run
00:00:57 <ryan> the vuln cgitr
00:01:01 <ryan> that had bof
00:01:17 <joepie91> is the current cgit in repo vuln?
00:01:24 <joepie91> because according to git there are no updates
00:01:32 <ryan> n because that mempodipper dude whitehatted it
00:05:18 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
00:05:18 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-07#T00-05-18
00:05:32 <joepie91> okay, day rollover works too
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00:11:42 <ryan> loggy, %d?
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00:12:33 <joepie91> haha
00:15:49 <ryan> had to try
00:15:53 <ryan> already had one bot vuln to this today
00:15:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> so I suppose nobody knows how to properly convert a mysql dump into a postgresql restore file?
00:16:10 <ryan> its called sed awk and that one other thing
00:16:13 <ryan> wait no
00:16:17 <ryan> perl
00:16:22 <ryan> thats the thing
00:16:23 <ryan> use it
00:16:29 <joepie91> ryan: I can link you to the source
00:16:35 <Akfreeworld> have you tried something very weird called a search on the internet? :P lol nah jsut kidding - I dont know sorry :P
00:16:38 <joepie91> actually, loggy can
00:16:42 <joepie91> loggy, help?
00:16:42 <loggy> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://wire.cryto.net/logs/
00:17:42 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I searched already. nothing but vague bullshit as if people already know exactly how to do this manually. And all the scripts fail miserably.
00:17:56 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: what I am curious about
00:17:59 <ryan> I don't like python but I don't think python likes utf8
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00:18:06 <joepie91> isn't SQL a more or less standard format?
00:18:20 <ryan> yes it is
00:18:21 <joepie91> so couldn't you just import a mysql dump into postgre?
00:18:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> No
00:18:31 <ryan> kind of
00:18:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> No
00:18:40 <ryan> yes
00:18:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Fuck you ryan
00:18:54 <ryan> o omk
00:18:57 <ryan> ok*
00:19:02 <joepie91> sigh
00:19:04 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t, be nice
00:19:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> You are ignorant and as such going on the ignorant list
00:19:09 <joepie91> people are trying to help you here
00:19:24 <joepie91> what happened when you tried to import mysql dump into postgre?
00:19:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> No he's being ignorant
00:19:42 <ryan> how so?
00:19:46 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: no, he's not
00:19:54 <joepie91> <joepie91>what happened when you tried to import mysql dump into postgre?
00:20:02 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ok, joepie91, I get an error saying that it is not a valid file
00:20:10 <joepie91> file..?
00:20:16 <joepie91> have you tried just running it as a query?
00:20:19 <wh1t3r4bb1t> So I tried using a perl script I downloaded
00:20:24 <joepie91> a .sql dump is essentially a giant query
00:20:27 <lady-3jane> I... what
00:20:28 <joepie91> or multiple, actually
00:20:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> archive*
00:21:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Yes but the SQL for mysql and postgre are different enough to cause incompatibility in the dump and restore
00:22:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> So I'm probably going to have to hand write the postgresql statements unless I can find a conversion tool that isn'y written half assed
00:22:44 <ryan> you can probably just sed most of the queries to be compatible with postresql
00:22:57 <ryan> or just make a script to convert it to some flatfile format you can easily convert to postresql
00:23:05 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: what in particular does it choke on?
00:23:10 <joepie91> if you run it as query, it should indicate around where it failed
00:23:32 <lady-3jane> NP: [Drivin' N' Cryin' - Chain Reaction] [Fly Me Courageous] [922kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
00:24:26 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I even used the option --compatible=postgresql in my dump command
00:24:46 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: stupid question maybe, but have you tried without that flag?
00:24:50 <joepie91> just to see what happens
00:25:10 <wh1t3r4bb1t> It's not choking on the conversion within the script but it's converting things to invalid postgre statements
00:25:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Yes
00:25:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> tries it both ways
00:25:47 <joepie91> what error do you get when you import a non-postgresql-formatted .sql into postgresql, as a query, without any import tools?
00:25:56 <ryan> I wonder
00:26:02 <ryan> How are you importing that dump?
00:26:54 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Well, I'm using pg_restore and I get this error: pg_restore: [archiver] input file does not appear to be a valid archive
00:27:34 <joepie91> ... have you *tried* running it as a query yet?
00:28:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> You mean with ececute?
00:28:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> execute*
00:28:43 <lady-3jane> thaaats expecting a targz or zip or so
00:28:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> No
00:29:03 <wh1t3r4bb1t> hmmm
00:29:09 <lady-3jane> well, uh, running it with exec or so is kinda what they asked earlier
00:29:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ok brb
00:29:21 <lady-3jane> that's what importing sql data is
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00:33:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Tried it in a tar
00:33:40 <wh1t3r4bb1t> errr from a tar
00:33:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> pg_restore: [tar archiver] could not find header for file toc.dat in tar archive
00:33:53 <joepie91> ..
00:33:59 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: just run it as a query
00:34:02 <joepie91> stop trying to use the restore thing
00:34:02 <lady-3jane> dude
00:34:03 <lady-3jane> ^
00:34:04 <lady-3jane> fucking hell
00:34:08 <joepie91> really
00:34:11 <joepie91> you could've had this done 10 minutes ago
00:34:14 <joepie91> just run the thing as one giant query
00:34:33 <lady-3jane> (because that's what IT IS!_
00:35:02 <lady-3jane> NP: [Dual Core - All The Things] [All The Things] [891kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
00:35:55 <ryan> postresqlclientshit <<<dump.sql
00:36:36 <joepie91> three <'s?
00:37:36 <ryan> s/<</<
00:37:38 <ryan> good point
00:37:55 <joepie91> I was wondering if there was some funky syntax in bash I was not aware of, haha
00:38:01 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lady-3jane, I'm fucking tired and I don't need your cuntism
00:38:05 <joepie91> bash and perl remain hieroglyphs to me and probably always will be...
00:38:08 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Shut the fuck up
00:38:14 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I suggest you go to sleep and continue tomorrow
00:38:28 <joepie91> when you are so tired that you start shouting at everyone that's trying to help you, you probably really need sleep
00:38:35 <ryan> <<< is just stdin
00:38:44 <joepie91> and it's more beneficial to the general atmosphere of the channel to continue when awake
00:38:48 <ryan> wall<<<im gay
00:38:57 <lady-3jane> ahh, cool
00:39:15 <lady-3jane> I was going to say "it's like cat"... wasn't far off :D
00:39:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm fine. I just don't need people being asses
00:39:44 <lady-3jane> we're not, we've been nicer than previous times
00:39:46 <ryan> I reckon only person here being an ass would be you
00:39:48 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: noone here is being an ass except for you, right now
00:40:06 <lady-3jane> somebody needs to go smoke a bowl >_>
00:40:13 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I know I can run it as a query but I still need to convert the statements
00:40:13 <joepie91> as I said, what you need right now is sleep, not advice
00:41:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> No, I need to import this data.
00:41:10 <wh1t3r4bb1t> And I will
00:41:31 <lady-3jane> put it in as one giant query, report back
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00:41:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> There ain't no rest for the wicked.
00:42:00 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: then I recommend you either follow the instructions given by various (helpful) users in this channel and keep back your nasty remarks, or try to get it fixed on your own
00:42:11 <joepie91> because I don't really get the idea that anyone here is enjoying your current mood/attitude
00:42:53 <lady-3jane> NP: [The White Stripes - The Hardest Button To Button] [Elephant] [820kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
00:43:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Rewriting statements to work in postgre
00:44:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Quick question... Has anyone here actually used postgre before, extensively?
00:44:55 <joepie91> not me, but how about you just try to import it *without* trying to rewrite things
00:45:02 <joepie91> 1. export as mysql dump
00:45:07 <joepie91> 2. run as query against postgresql
00:45:09 <joepie91> 3. await results
00:45:11 <joepie91> 4. ????
00:45:14 <joepie91> 5. boom or profit
00:45:22 <joepie91> go for the simplest attempt first
00:45:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Because you can't do that.
00:45:36 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: have you tried it?
00:45:39 <wh1t3r4bb1t> And that's lazy.
00:45:52 <joepie91> because I am running out of possible permutations to instruct you to JUST RUN THE DAMN THING.
00:45:57 <joepie91> and see what happens.
00:46:09 <joepie91> so, have you tried it or not?
00:46:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Read about it like I have. No it won't work so stop arguing that.
00:46:42 <lady-3jane> I'd figure it might just work, since it's Standard Query Language
00:46:42 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: so no?
00:46:44 <joepie91> do it first
00:46:45 <joepie91> seriously
00:46:51 <joepie91> stop being stubborn and just run the damn query already
00:46:53 <lady-3jane> or structured?
00:46:53 <lady-3jane> shit
00:47:13 <lady-3jane> structured it is
00:47:16 <lady-3jane> lmao
00:47:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Right do something that I read not to do from several sources... sure great idea. not.
00:47:37 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: JUST. FUCKING. DO. IT. ALREADY.
00:47:42 <joepie91> it's not going to blow up your fucking server
00:47:44 <lady-3jane> everything you read on the internet is truth
00:47:45 <joepie91> nor is it going to delete your dump
00:47:50 <joepie91> just fucking run the query
00:47:53 <joepie91> if it breaks you'll know in 10 seconds
00:47:59 <joepie91> and you can try something else
00:48:02 <joepie91> just run the goddamn thing already
00:48:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'll rud the statements once they are proper for postgre
00:48:18 <joepie91> okay, then I am not going to make any further attempts at helping you
00:48:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it doesn't break it fucks up the database.
00:48:32 <joepie91> since you clearly have no interest of following the advice of those youa re asking for help
00:48:36 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: no, it fucking doesn't
00:48:46 <joepie91> if it doesn't work, it'll throw a fucking syntax error you idiot
00:48:50 <joepie91> that's how SQL engines are designed
00:49:45 <joepie91> either you try to run a standard mysql dump right now and report back the result, or this is the last thing I will say on this topic and you're on your own
00:49:52 <joepie91> your choice
00:50:14 <wh1t3r4bb1t> grrr
01:11:08 <twitchyliquid64> wh1t3r4bb1t: he is right. SQL is transactional. If your THAT worried about damaging the database run the whole thing in a transaction and rollback at the very end, just so you can see how it goes
01:11:31 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: be careful with that
01:11:38 <joepie91> myisam is most definitely *not* transactional
01:11:38 <joepie91> haha
01:11:47 <wh1t3r4bb1t> im doing this @ command line
01:11:50 <joepie91> most engines do transactions, but SQL is definitely not transactional by default
01:11:57 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: that doesn't matter
01:11:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> brb food and attempts
01:12:05 <joepie91> its an engine feature
01:12:10 <twitchyliquid64> roger that
01:12:13 <joepie91> not a library feature
01:12:28 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: actually I think InnoDB is the only mysql engine that does transactions
01:12:40 <Akfreeworld> unfortunately
01:13:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> postgre is transactional
01:14:35 <joepie91> that's what I would have expected, yes, otherwise it probably wouldn't be used for financial transactions :P
01:14:40 <joepie91> it would worry me if it weren't
01:15:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> food make tummy happy
01:15:20 <joepie91> I suspect food also makes channel happy :P
01:15:23 <twitchyliquid64> even sqlite has transactions
01:15:32 <twitchyliquid64> ie: BEGIN, ROLLBACK, COMMIT
01:19:12 <lady-3jane> neat, I didn't know that's what transactional meant
01:19:18 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
01:19:18 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-07#T01-19-18
01:21:05 <lady-3jane> aaaahahahaha firefox apparently had crashing issues on facebook
01:21:13 <lady-3jane> that's part of what 18.0.2 is
01:21:14 <lady-3jane> LULZ
01:21:22 <joepie91> lol
01:21:25 <wh1t3r4bb1t> loggy, rollover!
01:21:26 <lady-3jane> no, wait
01:21:32 <lady-3jane> that's ALL of what 18.0.2 is
01:21:35 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: you're doing it wrong
01:21:35 <lady-3jane> hahahahaha oh man
01:21:40 <joepie91> loggy, barrel roll!
01:21:44 <joepie91> :P
01:21:51 <lady-3jane> sad panda
01:22:02 <lady-3jane> :3
01:22:10 <lady-3jane> whiiich reminds me, when is ff19 due
01:22:24 <lady-3jane> I'm glad firefox has gone rapid release, it's getting better so much more quickly
01:22:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> loggy, find precious!
01:22:46 <lady-3jane> loggy:) DICKS
01:22:55 * joepie91 should mod loggy to make random asshole remark when highlighted with invalid command
01:22:58 <joepie91> :P
01:23:02 <lady-3jane> yes
01:23:07 <lady-3jane> absofuckinglutely
01:23:09 <joepie91> lady-3jane: it does not recognize :)
01:23:17 <lady-3jane> the more sarcastic the better
01:23:21 <joepie91> haha
01:23:23 <lady-3jane> I know, most people don't recognize it either
01:23:29 <joepie91> hahaha
01:23:40 <lady-3jane> I found it from someone in a chan... cause it's a smile!
01:23:51 <joepie91> lady-3jane: your nick suffix is beyond a turing-test
01:23:54 <joepie91> even humans fail to pass it!
01:24:13 <lady-3jane> ffuuuuuuuuu
01:24:29 <lady-3jane> humans must be fickle
01:24:45 <lady-3jane> they'd parse it aplomb if only it was prefixed by a space
01:25:10 <lady-3jane> oh, ff19 ships this month
01:25:18 <joepie91> coming to think of it, human mind isn't very well-calibrated
01:25:24 <joepie91> or maybe, too calibrated
01:25:50 <lady-3jane> it's fuzzy
01:26:08 <lady-3jane> wow, ff is removing xforms
01:26:16 <joepie91> xforms?
01:26:23 <lady-3jane> xml form schema
01:26:46 <lady-3jane> hahaha
01:26:46 <joepie91> lady-3jane: okay, is it important?
01:26:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> For the record statements made via the mysql dump will not work in postgresql
01:26:57 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: what does it break on?
01:27:16 <lady-3jane> I think it's not widely used or adopted by developers, so they're taking it out
01:27:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Not only have I read this several time but I just tried it to make joepie91 happy.
01:27:30 <lady-3jane> w3c spec that failed the test of public opinion
01:27:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> the first line
01:27:43 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: yes, but with what error?
01:27:58 <joepie91> lady-3jane: I have a feeling all of w3c is starting to fail the test of public opinion, to be perfectly honest...
01:28:03 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ERROR: syntax error at or near "`"
01:28:10 <joepie91> ... you have got to be kidding me
01:28:20 <joepie91> does postgresql not support backtick fieldname syntax?
01:28:25 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I need to rewrite the statements as I told you a thousand times.
01:28:25 <joepie91> or is that a tablename?
01:28:42 <wh1t3r4bb1t> So, now can I get some credit for being right and doing my homework?
01:28:57 <joepie91> yes
01:29:11 <joepie91> but I am really quite curious *why* it fails because I was under the impression that `` is standard syntax
01:29:13 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) to a certain degree I agree... but some of the times where groups are running against the spec are annoying... eg: microsofts competing webrtc clone
01:29:27 <joepie91> lady-3jane: the problem isn't with the specs, but with w3c
01:29:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> `` are standard for mysql
01:29:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> in postgre you need to use "
01:29:54 <joepie91> in an environment where a new platform can rise to massive proportions and die down entirely, all within 6 months, a 2-3 year period for discussing a spec is ridiculous
01:29:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> or double single quotes
01:30:03 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: for field/table names?
01:30:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it's a pain in the ass
01:30:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> for any naming
01:30:20 <joepie91> what the hell
01:30:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> and even field contents
01:30:44 <joepie91> field contents is normal
01:30:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it's called the double single quote escaping
01:30:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> or some shit like that
01:31:15 <joepie91> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Things_to_find_out_about_when_moving_from_MySQL_to_PostgreSQL
01:31:15 <joepie91> right
01:32:25 <joepie91> tried replacing all ` with "?
01:32:36 <lady-3jane> oh, in other words mysql sucks dick still
01:32:58 <lady-3jane> oh it's sunset
01:32:58 <joepie91> so eh, santrex, about that migration
01:32:59 <joepie91> ...
01:33:06 <joepie91> I still see fireball relinking every day
01:33:08 <lady-3jane> no wonder my screen is turning orange
01:33:11 <joepie91> so it's gotten significantly less stable
01:33:15 <joepie91> but still hasn't been migrated
01:33:17 <joepie91> wtf santrex
01:33:21 <lady-3jane> e.e
01:33:23 <joepie91> lady-3jane: heh
01:33:35 <lady-3jane> It's not the actual sunset, it's f.lux
01:33:54 <lady-3jane> http://stereopsis.com/flux/
01:34:06 <joepie91> ofc
01:34:08 * joepie91 uses flux
01:34:17 <lady-3jane> just checkin
01:34:18 <lady-3jane> :)
01:34:29 <lady-3jane> I need to figure a proper night time color
01:34:44 <lady-3jane> pretty sure I need to set it to flourescent because of my overhead light
01:35:01 <joepie91> mmm
01:35:05 <joepie91> also, I should get back to work
01:35:12 <joepie91> finally have a functional hypervm setup
01:35:19 <joepie91> or well, as functional as hypervm gets in its intended state
01:35:30 <joepie91> (...)
01:36:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> joepie91, that... and this > http://www.postgresql.org/files/documentation/pdf/9.2/postgresql-9.2-A4.pdf
01:36:45 * joepie91 gives that URL the evil eye
01:36:46 <joepie91> pdf...
01:37:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lol it's called a manual
01:37:13 <joepie91> my god
01:37:15 <joepie91> that's a fucking book
01:37:18 <joepie91> ._.
01:37:38 <joepie91> I'm sorry what?
01:37:40 <joepie91> 2.6k pages?
01:37:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'll print and bind it when I gets me some more paper reams
01:37:49 <joepie91> two point six thousand pages?
01:37:53 <joepie91> really?
01:38:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Yep.
01:38:42 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm going to read the WHOLE thing.
01:38:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Now.
01:39:17 <joepie91> I would not recommend that.
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01:48:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I got this
01:49:15 <Anon_3102> got what?
01:49:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> handled
01:56:32 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t, have you tried http://pypi.python.org/pypi/py-mysql2pgsql
02:02:51 <lady-3jane> that sounds awesome
02:13:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm only converting 5 empty tables and one populated table that has 17 entries so manually rewriting isn't so bad but for future referance that's a great link
02:14:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I was just pissed off to find out that mysql is fucking retarded and used non-standard methods for EVERYTHING!
02:18:28 <lady-3jane> best way to force a system on people: make it proprietary
02:18:53 <lady-3jane> I always liked postgre just cause it was so "boring" in that regard
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02:29:57 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I noticed that your mood greatly increased with food
02:30:05 <joepie91> you should eat more often :D
02:30:19 <joepie91> on a more serious note though
02:30:30 <joepie91> if one gets very grumpy when hungry, that's often an indication that one doesn't eat enough or varied enough
02:30:36 <joepie91> in my experience
02:31:50 <lady-3jane> I have a friend like that, but she's... got funky genetic issues lmao
02:32:12 <lady-3jane> She goes airheaded 15 minutes before she should eat, at the end of that 15m window she turns into a raging bitch
02:32:23 <lady-3jane> I learned quickly to indicate ahead of time that she needed food
02:32:23 <lady-3jane> :>
02:32:46 <lady-3jane> I think she likes being around me, because she's suddenly always fed when she needs to be :D
02:34:55 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) new chrome fixes pepper flash problem :)
02:38:25 <twitchyliquid64> lady-3jane: does she have diabeties? Because that flag goes up in my head when I hear that
02:43:20 <AnonForecast_> twitchyliquid64,
02:43:33 <twitchyliquid64> yes AnonForecast_
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02:44:01 <AnonForecast_> were trying to get the relay bot running but were stuck on the VPS step
02:44:15 <twitchyliquid64> ok
02:44:23 <twitchyliquid64> whats wrong?
02:44:28 <lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) nah, she's just very broken
02:44:29 <twitchyliquid64> like, whats going wrong?
02:44:36 <lady-3jane> loootsa genetic problems
02:44:38 <Professor_Xavier> The server apparently not have ssh...
02:44:43 <twitchyliquid64> WTF
02:44:47 <joepie91> that's... worrying
02:44:48 <joepie91> to put it nicely
02:44:52 <joepie91> also
02:44:57 <joepie91> in case any of you missed it
02:45:01 <joepie91> this channel is now being publicly logged
02:45:04 <lady-3jane> ^
02:45:11 <joepie91> prefix a message with [off] if you wish a message to be ignored by the public logbot
02:45:19 <joepie91> http://wire.cryto.net/logs
02:45:22 <AnonForecast_> thats interesting
02:45:30 <twitchyliquid64> np, thanks joe
02:45:52 <lady-3jane> today is broken
02:45:57 <joepie91> I know
02:45:58 <joepie91> have to remove it
02:46:00 <joepie91> or something
02:46:00 * lady-3jane grins
02:46:05 <joepie91> the bot simply doesn't write a today.txt
02:46:09 <AnonForecast_> Hi mom!
02:46:14 <AnonForecast_> LOOK IM ON TV!!!!
02:46:26 <Professor_Xavier> lol
02:46:28 <twitchyliquid64> AnonForecast_: A server that doesnt have SSH or some form of shell is a shit server, and should be killed.
02:46:44 <twitchyliquid64> (unless headless and preconfigured)
02:47:15 <Professor_Xavier> The problem is that yesterday other guy put some things on the server, and today when I was to enter, the ssh port refused me.
02:47:30 <twitchyliquid64> Professor_Xavier: so it does have ssh
02:47:40 <twitchyliquid64> but the other guy 'bricked it'you have two options
02:47:41 <joepie91> Professor_Xavier: is it openvz?
02:47:49 <Professor_Xavier> I know, I think that a VPS MUST have ssh...
02:47:59 <joepie91> if you don't know, was it cheap for the amount of resources?
02:47:59 <Professor_Xavier> The owner of the server is AnonForecast_
02:48:00 <twitchyliquid64> you can either use the VPS providers' shell thingy
02:48:02 <joepie91> if yes, it's probably openvz
02:48:08 <twitchyliquid64> or you can wipe it and do a fresh install
02:48:18 <joepie91> (the former is obviously preferable)
02:48:46 <twitchyliquid64> I believe the proper name of the former is 'serial console'
02:49:46 <joepie91> that depends
02:49:53 <Professor_Xavier> Idk...
02:49:56 <joepie91> technically speaking, a serial console is a physical device
02:50:12 <joepie91> you're usually either speaking of a 'shell dropper' (openvz) or VNC (KVM, Xen)
02:50:14 <twitchyliquid64> its virtualised
02:50:26 <twitchyliquid64> it still speaks the serial protocol
02:50:45 <joepie91> I... strongly doubt it
02:51:21 <Anon_3102> lmfao.
02:52:05 <Professor_Xavier> The other guy is afk (in theory)...
02:52:06 <AnonForecast_> o.o
02:52:16 <AnonForecast_> why cant SRN just revive?
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02:53:51 <flyingpenis> because DICKS
02:56:09 <Professor_Xavier> Its possible that the ssh daemon isn't running?
02:56:19 <flyingpenis> or changed the port
02:56:50 <joepie91> either port changed, or someone fucked up the iptables config
02:56:53 <joepie91> those are the most likely issues
02:57:06 <joepie91> such as trying to set up whitelisting and forgetting to whitelist port 22
02:57:28 <Professor_Xavier> Yep, I scanned the server with nmap but only showed me the '80' and '44088'
02:57:30 <joepie91> (happens.)
02:57:37 <joepie91> what's 44088?
02:58:02 <Professor_Xavier> TCP
02:59:04 <Professor_Xavier> omfg
02:59:23 <lady-3jane> er
03:00:00 <Professor_Xavier> I tried the 44088 port, apparently works.
03:01:15 <joepie91> there you go
03:02:21 <Professor_Xavier> Tnx!
03:03:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> OMFFFFFFFFG. Can't pase a fucking euro sign into the database commandline??? WTF???
03:03:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> This is 2013 right?
03:04:00 <twitchyliquid64> your terminal
03:04:09 <twitchyliquid64> is probs in wrong mode
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03:05:35 <Professor_Xavier> Yep.
03:06:11 <joepie91> [occupy@edge13 hypervm-migrate]$ python testmigrate.py
03:06:11 <joepie91> Starting session...
03:06:11 <joepie91> Logging in... Logged in!
03:06:11 <joepie91> Starting transfer... Transfer of test.vm to x failed.
03:06:12 <joepie91> damnit
03:06:15 <joepie91> :|
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03:06:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> What "mode" should it be in? And why is € a 7 place left arrow?
03:07:17 <lady-3jane> mmmm http://youtu.be/w8n_6kogj2Y
03:07:23 <AnonForecast> superbowl blackout was "not hacking"? http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50140371n
03:07:43 <lady-3jane> just gross incompetence
03:08:06 <AnonForecast> didnt OpLastResort claim it?
03:08:17 <AnonForecast> awfully coincedental
03:09:56 <joepie91> [occupy@edge13 hypervm-migrate]$ python testmigrate.py
03:09:56 <joepie91> Starting session...
03:09:56 <joepie91> Logging in... Logged in!
03:09:56 <joepie91> Starting transfer... Transfer of test.vm to x initiated.
03:09:56 <joepie91> yay
03:15:30 <flyingpenis> :>
03:16:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm in fucking UTF-8 what the fuck is up with not being able to paste GBP symbols...?
03:17:01 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Solution, kill ever body in the world
03:17:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Dubstep
03:17:37 <joepie91> you're probably trying to paste a non-utf8 gbp symbol
03:17:38 <joepie91> or something
03:17:41 <joepie91> idk
03:17:45 <joepie91> I hate encodings
03:17:57 <joepie91> as in, a part of me dies every time I have to work with anything related to it
03:17:58 <joepie91> :|
03:19:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> when I paste the ¥ symbol also nothing
03:20:18 <wh1t3r4bb1t> fucking cock sucking mother fucking faggot ass piece of shit!
03:21:53 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Anytime I put £ in the terminal window it displays # and then goes to a new prompt line
03:27:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I officially hate postgre
03:27:40 <joepie91> howso?
03:28:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it's way too dificult to fucking manage and do DB shit from command line
03:28:34 <joepie91> why are you not using phppgadmin?
03:28:40 <wh1t3r4bb1t> specially when terminal is being a completely usless POS.
03:28:55 <joepie91> the mysql terminal utility is also a useless POS
03:28:57 <joepie91> hence phpmyadmin
03:29:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> because I cant figure out how to setup phppgadmin
03:29:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> the doc on iy is complete junk
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03:30:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I set it up on mac and it's functionality on my mac is fucking incoprhendable
03:31:06 <joepie91> mac isn't exactly the best platform to develop on
03:38:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> It's better than PC. MS products suck IMO.
03:39:21 <joepie91> PC? MS?
03:39:24 <joepie91> you're confusing two things there
03:39:30 <joepie91> a PC is a Personal Computer
03:39:33 <joepie91> not an OS
03:39:37 <joepie91> what you probably meant was Windows
03:40:06 <joepie91> (and I know Apple *really* likes to differentiate between "Apple" and "PC" as if it's somehow something special, but that's really just marketing)
03:40:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Well, maybe I'm generalizing
03:40:46 <joepie91> no, it's literally just incorrect word usage
03:40:50 <joepie91> :P
03:40:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> But MAC OS is linux based which is a far cry from shity MS
03:41:01 <joepie91> ..wat?
03:41:04 <joepie91> no it isn't
03:41:10 <joepie91> OS X is BSD based last time I checked
03:41:18 <joepie91> and honestly
03:41:25 <joepie91> judging from the complaints I hear over developers on OS X
03:41:30 <joepie91> and my own experience with developing on Windows
03:41:33 <joepie91> OS X actually seems to be worse
03:41:41 <joepie91> because of the total lack of support community around developing-on-OS-X
03:41:50 <joepie91> despite better stability
03:42:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ok well anyways I need step by step instructions on how to make phppgadmin accessable via browser on my VPS
03:42:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it's installed
03:42:34 <Professor_Xavier> Hi again guys.
03:42:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> so now what? lol
03:43:05 <joepie91> I can't really help further than "set up webserver with PHP, install phppgadmin, follow included README"
03:43:07 <Professor_Xavier> We are in the serial console of the server, i think that the ssh service is not running.
03:43:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> OMG Professor_Xavier I can hear your thoughts!
03:43:12 <joepie91> that works for 99% of things
03:44:19 <Professor_Xavier> Anyway, we can enter to the control panel with the root user and password, but when we enter in the serial console it ask us for other user and password, the default text is console_[somenumbersandletters]
03:44:23 <Professor_Xavier> Any idea?
03:45:14 <joepie91> you get assigned a temporary user
03:45:15 <joepie91> to SSH in
03:45:22 <joepie91> follow the instructions in the panel
03:46:42 <Professor_Xavier> Umh? But the 22 port is closed, when we enter in the serial console only shows us the login window and the console behind.
03:47:46 <joepie91> follow. the. instructions.
03:47:53 <joepie91> it gives you a host, port, and login details
03:47:55 <joepie91> read it again
03:48:00 <joepie91> click around if need be
03:48:48 <Professor_Xavier> In the instructions in where the user and password are, tells that the SSH port is the 22, but don't works...
03:49:12 <Professor_Xavier> The user and password works well in the control panel.
03:49:13 <joepie91> sigh
03:49:15 <joepie91> Professor_Xavier
03:49:19 <joepie91> what host are you SSHing to
03:49:42 <Professor_Xavier> The IP?
03:49:42 <joepie91> let me guess
03:49:43 <joepie91> your VPS
03:49:50 <joepie91> as I already said twice now
03:49:52 <joepie91> read the instructions
03:49:54 <joepie91> YOU ARE GIVEN A HOST.
03:49:59 <joepie91> that is not your VPS
03:50:02 * joepie91 sighs
03:50:03 <Professor_Xavier> And I used that host.
03:50:10 <joepie91> then there is no reason for it not to work
03:50:22 <Professor_Xavier> Ya...
03:50:47 <Professor_Xavier> For that I would like to enter in the serial console and see if the daemon is running.
03:51:01 <Professor_Xavier> Better call they?
03:51:36 <joepie91> that host, that port
03:51:38 <joepie91> that is shown there
03:51:40 <joepie91> but the ones in your panel
03:51:45 <joepie91> in that location
03:52:05 <joepie91> if that doesn't work there's a far bigger problem than your VPS being inaccessible and you should probably be talking to the support dept of your host
03:52:25 <Professor_Xavier> Umh, ill check that.
03:58:50 <lady-3jane> mmmf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doJvBa-iMzw
04:01:13 <lady-3jane> I love this 5 seconds http://youtu.be/doJvBa-iMzw?t=3m22s
04:02:08 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Wholey fucking shit I got it to work.
04:02:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> For the love of all that is dubstep.
04:03:33 <lady-3jane> the music here is alright, but the comment chain is pure gold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRiXArl2FuY
04:05:03 <lady-3jane> end of israel palestine war :: "Could your tribe please stop plotting against us?" "done"
04:05:11 <lady-3jane> "Awesome... Let's now do that chair dance thingy."
04:06:30 <lady-3jane> NP: [Rihanna - Shut Up and Drive] [Good Girl Gone Bad] [1032kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
04:13:46 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: congratz!
04:13:48 <joepie91> :)
04:16:58 <wh1t3r4bb1t> This dubstep helps me think right
04:17:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Strange Behavior by Feed Me
04:20:19 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I like this
04:20:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> :D
04:27:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Trivia question... how many characters are in a signed four-byte integer?
04:28:44 <joepie91> "a signed four-byte integer" = str(26)
04:28:48 <joepie91> :P
04:31:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> :D
04:33:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ruffneck (FULL Flex)
04:33:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> by Skrillex
04:34:48 * joepie91 is not a fan of skrillex
04:34:58 <joepie91> ah look at that
04:35:04 <joepie91> I already had a 'Feed Me' track in my favorites
04:36:24 <wh1t3r4bb1t> And my postgresql DB is officially ready to be tested with PDO and pg_ - I'm thinking PDO will be easier once I get used to it.
04:36:32 <lady-3jane> SKRILLEX
04:36:39 <wh1t3r4bb1t> IS
04:36:51 <lady-3jane> SPIN SPIN DICKS
04:38:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I produce music but not dubstep. My forte is house, trance and indy dance.
04:38:49 <lady-3jane> NP: [Skrillex - The Devil's Den (Original Mix)] [Bangarang EP] [1130kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
04:38:53 <lady-3jane> om nom nom
04:41:04 <joepie91> so
04:41:10 <joepie91> I'm thinking of spending a day or two on learning pixel art
04:41:14 <joepie91> y/n
04:41:31 <lady-3jane> y
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04:50:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> y
04:53:41 <lady-3jane> Given enough time, hydrogen starts to wonder where it came from, and where it is going.
04:53:41 <lady-3jane> Edward R. Harrison
04:53:43 <lady-3jane> :3
04:54:01 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ok so should I do all my inserts updates and delets with transactions and use query for all my retrievals?
04:58:07 <joepie91> lady-3jane: ha
04:58:13 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I would say so, yes
04:58:21 <joepie91> don't forget to rollback if something fails
04:58:33 <joepie91> sounds "duh", but easy to fuck up
04:58:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> a beautiful song about love...
04:58:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Raise Your Weapon
04:58:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> by Deadmau5
04:59:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> This is how love has always been for me.
04:59:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I tell them women in my life... fine... raise your weapon.
05:04:39 <lady-3jane> this is my love song: https://vimeo.com/4196008
05:08:59 <lady-3jane> or, really, that entire cd
05:09:02 <lady-3jane> NP: [Live - Sparkle] [The Distance To Here] [1059kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
05:13:10 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I forgot about that song... Damn that's old school.
05:14:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Anyways, back to the present.
05:18:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> PDO = Beer
05:18:36 <wh1t3r4bb1t> errr wait
05:18:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Beer = PDO
05:18:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> No no... Peer = BDO
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05:19:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Yes that's it.
05:20:04 <joepie91> okay, I think it's about time to sleep
05:20:29 <joepie91> I trust that you guys will inform anyone that returns to the channel while I am asleep, that this is a publicly logged channel :)
05:20:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Hell no
05:21:07 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I wanna see people get caught up
05:21:32 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: rather not
05:21:33 <joepie91> means more work for me
05:21:36 <joepie91> having to scrub logs later
05:22:10 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ok I'll wait till they fuck up then tell em.
05:22:13 * wh1t3r4bb1t giggles
05:23:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> In For The Kill (Skrillex Remix)
05:23:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> by La Roux
05:23:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Anothe great modern love song.
05:36:47 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lettuce, tomato, cheese, ham, salt, pepper, bread. Sammich!
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08:15:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Anyone awake of did you all pass out like children.
08:15:52 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ?
08:15:55 <wh1t3r4bb1t> !
08:16:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> loggey, status.
08:19:08 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Moar beeeeeer. Yup I'm drunk. What the hell are you gonna do about it? Huh?
08:38:05 <naSignal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQnIiT6BbBk
08:38:10 <naSignal> ^ nice shizlles
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15:11:39 <MK_FG> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/461687407/kickstarter-open-source-death-star
15:11:50 <MK_FG> Finally!
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16:02:00 <joepie91> http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a117735/start-of-a-new-wub
16:02:18 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: ^
16:15:15 <joepie91> new PHP.net coming up: http://php.net/manual/en/function.str-replace.php?beta=1
16:15:46 <lady-3jane> my god it's actually usable
16:16:08 <joepie91> yes, I'm surprised
16:16:15 <joepie91> I was afraid the new layout would fuck up the manual
16:16:18 <joepie91> but I'm quite okay with it
16:16:24 <joepie91> it's more pleasant to read, too
16:16:34 <joepie91> though I'd prefer for the user notes section to be more clearly delimited
16:16:52 <joepie91> old: http://php.net/manual/en/function.str-replace.php
16:17:31 <lady-3jane> oh, and the +/- buttons in the old one is an awesome feature
16:17:54 <lady-3jane> hide user comments in *click*
16:18:19 <lady-3jane> this is a very good thread: http://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2013-February/003824.html
16:18:29 <lady-3jane> it's only 4 or 5 emails, you should read it
16:19:01 <lady-3jane> even if you're not concerned about the app, it's a very sober look at investigative journalism in places where you can be killed for it
16:19:03 <joepie91> lady-3jane: few emails is not a requirement for me to read something
16:19:04 <joepie91> :P
16:19:12 <joepie91> if it's a lot, I'll read it as well
16:19:15 <joepie91> if it's interesting
16:19:41 <lady-3jane> Most people complain because I send them longform articles which are 6-10k words and require hours to read
16:19:42 <lady-3jane> lol
16:19:56 <joepie91> ugh, silent circle
16:20:00 <lady-3jane> (To me, they're the only ones really worth reading)
16:20:02 <joepie91> I have my... reservations about it, to say it nicely
16:20:07 <lady-3jane> read the thread
16:20:10 <lady-3jane> shhh
16:20:12 <lady-3jane> :)
16:23:26 <joepie91> my biggest concern is not sufficiently voiced in that thread
16:23:33 * lady-3jane nods
16:23:44 <joepie91> the false sense of security that comes from the whole "the file will be deleted"
16:23:58 <joepie91> it may very well supposedly be "better than nothing", but why are they not clear about the risks?
16:24:04 <joepie91> about it not being perfect?
16:24:24 <joepie91> it's being presented as a super secure infallible method of deletion
16:24:26 <joepie91> when in reality, it isn't
16:24:35 <joepie91> any arbitrary thing running on that phone could intercept it in the meantime
16:24:41 <joepie91> that your threat model has to change for that, doesn't matter
16:24:47 <joepie91> it's an unlisted risk
16:24:58 * lady-3jane nods
16:25:01 <joepie91> additionally, I am not quite comfortable with the app costing anything
16:25:13 <joepie91> and, from what I can determine, not being available under an open-source license
16:25:17 <joepie91> (viewable source != open source)
16:25:29 <joepie91> this should be available to anyone, not just those that can pay
16:25:43 <joepie91> so yes, I have a few issues with this thing
16:25:46 <joepie91> :|
16:25:51 <lady-3jane> oh, it costs money? that's dumb >_>
16:25:55 <joepie91> yes
16:25:57 <joepie91> $20 iirc
16:26:01 <joepie91> according to Slate article
16:26:07 * lady-3jane nods
16:26:09 <joepie91> but hey, if it didn't cost money, how would they earn money?
16:26:12 * lady-3jane didn't read the slate article
16:26:15 <joepie91> let's not forget it's a commercial undertaking
16:27:07 <joepie91> all that being said, I *am* happy that they plan to make the source viewable at least
16:27:19 <joepie91> for the sake of integrity verification
16:37:21 * lady-3jane fait un cafe
16:39:19 <lady-3jane> someday I need to figure a reliable way of doing accents on my e's and such
16:39:37 <lady-3jane> and o's avec accent circumflex
16:39:49 <lady-3jane> o's with hats!
16:39:53 <lady-3jane> haaaats!
16:40:28 <joepie91> café?
16:40:39 <lady-3jane> yeah
16:40:47 <lady-3jane> I have no way to do it e.e
16:41:32 <lady-3jane> tbh there are few enough letters I could just memorize the ascii codes, but I don't know how to enter them
16:44:18 <lady-3jane> It used to be in dos you could enter them by holding alt and typing the code on the number pad
16:44:26 <lady-3jane> that's how I did all the ascii art in basic
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16:50:42 <flyingpenis> hmm
16:50:51 <flyingpenis> I really wish chrome would time out on local cache access
16:54:39 <joepie91> ?
16:55:37 <flyingpenis> my harddrive is often over-committed I/O wise, and so it would be cool if chrome would just fail open on the disk and drop everything in ram instead
16:55:44 <flyingpenis> hit the disk later when it can
16:57:24 <joepie91> ah
16:57:31 <joepie91> make an issue on the issue tracker
16:57:35 <joepie91> :p
16:59:38 <flyingpenis> they'll throw it out as wontfix haha
16:59:50 <flyingpenis> because they expect your main drive to be accessible e.e
17:00:02 <flyingpenis> false assumption!
17:00:23 <flyingpenis> mostly I think it's a more unix way to treat IO
17:00:24 <flyingpenis> haha
17:00:43 <flyingpenis> what? no disk? we'll keep trying, and in the meantime keep everything in ram
17:00:51 <flyingpenis> :3
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17:04:28 <joepie91> flyingpenis: could always make a ram disk..
17:04:38 <flyingpenis> I don't have enough ram for that
17:04:47 <flyingpenis> chrome's cache is too large
17:05:00 <joepie91> hm, is there not some way to overflow it onto disk?
17:05:09 <flyingpenis> I don't know
17:05:18 <joepie91> a ramdisk with swap so to say
17:05:36 <flyingpenis> essentially what I'd do is the same sort of thing flashcache does, but with ram instead of ssd
17:06:28 <joepie91> hmm
17:06:33 <joepie91> flyingpenis: there's a software SSD caching thing, right?
17:06:36 <joepie91> software-based
17:06:44 <joepie91> what if you try to use that, and as 'SSD' set a small ramdisk
17:07:01 <joepie91> it all gets a bit messy, but theoretically, if it can do that, it would be treating your ramdisk as a tiny SSD
17:07:05 <joepie91> and cache most frequently used stuff on it
17:07:20 <flyingpenis> flashcache is that thing, yes
17:07:27 <flyingpenis> it's facebook's opensource thingum
17:07:28 <joepie91> ah, I thought flashcache was hardware
17:07:32 <joepie91> oh wait, that's cachecade I think
17:08:04 <flyingpenis> ironically, all of this is just working around the way it should be done in the first place
17:08:06 <flyingpenis> >_>
17:08:12 <joepie91> lol
17:08:18 <joepie91> isn't that how computers work?
17:08:19 <joepie91> :p
17:08:52 <flyingpenis> sure, but chrome puts things to disk too quickly
17:09:07 <flyingpenis> not OS level swapping, but writing out page stuff
17:11:46 <joepie91> I thought Chrome tried to cache in RAM whatever it could
17:11:48 <joepie91> :|
17:13:09 <flyingpenis> I really should try and figure out where the code is
17:13:18 <flyingpenis> cause... well it does cache a lot in ram
17:13:23 <flyingpenis> but I think cookies are stored only on disk or something
17:13:37 <flyingpenis> and in my experience, it flushes to disk too quickly
17:14:11 <flyingpenis> the only reliable way to get things to cache only in ram is to use private browsing or whatever
17:14:40 <flyingpenis> hmm, maybe that's what it is
17:14:42 <flyingpenis> cookies
17:14:59 <flyingpenis> putting them on disk makes sense for cross-process sharing
17:15:39 <joepie91> yes
17:16:58 <flyingpenis> that's... not easy to work around
17:17:17 <flyingpenis> that would be a heavy bit of overhead to keep consistency with ram and disk copies
17:17:36 <flyingpenis> and you'll always risk overwriting another process's copy
17:17:37 <flyingpenis> :|
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17:51:07 <joepie91> MK_FG: what in the...
17:51:11 <joepie91> that death star
17:51:12 <joepie91> is insane
17:51:13 <joepie91> haha
17:51:19 <joepie91> and they are going to be SO fucked when they hit the goal
17:52:27 <MK_FG> Sure, that's April 1st ;)
17:53:09 monod (none@BB6905A8.A3E4041.F83BB92F.IP) has joined #crytocc
17:53:16 <monod> hello
17:53:23 <monod> is torch a safe browser?
17:53:24 <MK_FG> Also, if they'll get 20M...
17:53:28 <joepie91> monod: NO
17:53:29 <joepie91> stay away
17:53:31 <joepie91> far far far away
17:53:33 <joepie91> VERY far away
17:53:40 <monod> I suspected it
17:53:42 <monod> damn
17:53:43 <joepie91> torch is evil
17:53:50 <joepie91> it's part of the whole iMesh/Discordia/Bandoo group
17:53:51 <monod> why is it sponsored on tpb???
17:54:02 <monod> honeypots right?
17:54:05 <joepie91> because they pay TPB?
17:54:19 <joepie91> god I get so fucking tired of this Bandoo crap everywhere
17:54:30 <joepie91> also, MK_FG
17:54:32 <joepie91> not sure if you got the memo
17:54:39 <joepie91> but this is now a publicly logged channel
17:54:45 <monod> simply because they pay, tpb let them have that space??
17:54:46 <joepie91> prefix with [off] to prevent log
17:54:48 <joepie91> also cc monod
17:54:59 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
17:54:59 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-07#T17-54-59
17:55:15 <monod> oh
17:55:34 <joepie91> anyway, bandoo is probably paying TPB for advertising space
17:55:41 <joepie91> that's pretty much how advertising works.. :|
17:55:50 <monod> yes...
17:56:05 <joepie91> anyway, the guys behind Torch Browser, are the same guys behind the fake iMesh, fake Shareaza, fake Lphant, new Bearshare
17:56:12 <joepie91> Viber (that iPhone app that stole your addressbook)
17:56:27 <joepie91> and a whole slew of other applications that can be considered 'shady' at best
17:56:27 <monod> ahhh
17:56:30 <joepie91> also jZip
17:56:38 <monod> oh my god...
17:56:50 <monod> I hope I'll recognize them by their ads :D
17:57:01 <monod> the ads of torch were soooo suspicious...
17:57:05 <joepie91> basically, if the URL starts with lp. and has a large download button
17:57:08 <joepie91> it's probably bandoo
17:57:12 <monod> :D
17:57:12 <joepie91> if unsure, ask me and I'll investigate
17:57:18 <joepie91> I have a *lot* of information on them
17:57:23 <monod> ok :D
17:57:23 <joepie91> been researching them a while ago
17:57:37 <joepie91> have a historical record of their shell companies and addresses, websites, domains, names, employees, etc
18:13:42 <MK_FG> joepie91, Got the memo
18:14:09 <MK_FG> (but can't really think why would someone consider what happens in public irc channel to be private)
18:15:02 <MK_FG> And no amount of '[off]' will save you! ;)
18:16:34 <MK_FG> Like, worst-case, if someone starts pinging people "hey, do you have log of the interesting chat at ...", they're bound to get it from someone
18:17:34 <MK_FG> Dunno if threat model here is "look up nick in google" though
18:17:37 <lady-3jane> there's a pretty solid difference between publicly and privately logged
18:19:55 <MK_FG> lady-3jane, I wonder what exactly do you mean by that
18:20:17 <joepie91> MK_FG: the point of [off] is more to prevent googleability
18:21:16 <MK_FG> That's somewhat comprehensible... I guess
18:22:25 <MK_FG> ...if you're paranoid enough to know that you're giving away all the secrets by all the innocent-looking chat lnes
18:22:39 <joepie91> :P
18:23:16 <MK_FG> Somehow, currently that line of thinking seem to be quite crazy even to me
18:23:47 <lady-3jane> it's cool, someday (if not today) that will be determined by an algorithm
18:24:06 <joepie91> lady-3jane: you will be determined by an algorithm!
18:24:19 <MK_FG> lady-3jane, you will be algorithm!
18:24:23 <lady-3jane> I am determined by an algorithm!
18:24:36 <joepie91> he's determined to be an algorithm.
18:24:43 <MK_FG> algorithm!
18:24:48 <joepie91> ralgoithm!
18:25:16 <monod> algowars :)
18:25:24 <lady-3jane> Someone once emailed me for joining an email list, and asked me to prove I was human, so I responded: I'm a sufficiently advanced algorithm
18:27:01 <MK_FG> ...therefore, yes, I'm, as you say, a meatbag
18:27:13 <lady-3jane> nope :D
18:27:17 <lady-3jane> It's a turing test joke
18:27:24 <lady-3jane> The Turing test is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of an actual human.
18:27:33 <monod> yep ofc
18:27:45 <lady-3jane> I am a sufficiently advanced automated intelligence (thus indistinguishable from a human)
18:27:51 <lady-3jane> :3
18:28:01 <MK_FG> Well, it's catch-22
18:28:38 <lady-3jane> to be able to make the joke is a sign of being human, but with a sufficiently advanced AI, that's no longer a good litmus test
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18:29:31 <lady-3jane> idiomatic language is my best litmus test still
18:29:35 * joepie91 brb
18:29:52 <lady-3jane> loggy, pointer?
18:29:52 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-07#T18-29-52
18:30:12 <lady-3jane> oh, cool, it puts an asterisk
18:30:32 <monod> same as her
18:30:33 <monod> e
18:31:50 <MK_FG> What's discrimination against non-humans called?
18:32:06 <lady-3jane> dunno, haven't read i robot
18:32:09 <lady-3jane> lol
18:32:23 <MK_FG> Well, you're so it! ;)
18:32:31 <lady-3jane> lmao
18:32:44 <lady-3jane> I used to be worse
18:33:20 <MK_FG> Luckily, there weren't that many robots back then
18:34:16 <lady-3jane> I'm on a path of convergence with being human
18:34:17 <lady-3jane> it's neat :D
18:40:31 <Divinite> Do du do
18:43:06 <monod> hi Divinite
18:44:11 <Divinite> Hello monod
18:44:58 <monod> do you already now that this is now a publicly logged channel?
18:46:12 <Divinite> Interesting
18:46:27 <monod> you did not know then :)
18:46:29 <monod> aaaand
18:46:33 <monod> loggy, pointer?
18:46:33 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-07#T18-46-33
18:46:36 <monod> loggy, help?
18:46:36 <loggy> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://wire.cryto.net/logs/
18:47:11 <Divinite> Lol
18:47:17 <Divinite> Very neat
18:48:15 <monod> *afk*
19:02:35 <Divinite> Going to set up DNS tunnelling
19:02:56 <Divinite> To try and bypass my school's firewall.
19:07:09 <joepie91> back
19:07:15 <joepie91> well, that was an exercise in frustration
19:07:43 <Divinite> Hmm?
19:08:21 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>idiomatic language is my best litmus test still
19:08:31 <joepie91> and then they let Watson read the Urban Dictionary
19:08:44 <joepie91> and had to wipe its memory because it was unable to distinguish polite language use from impolite language uise
19:08:45 <joepie91> use *
19:08:54 <joepie91> and basically became an asshole AI
19:09:11 <Divinite> Ok then...
19:09:14 <Divinite> How?
19:09:14 <joepie91> Divinite: went to store
19:09:21 <joepie91> met every annoying kind of person
19:09:22 <joepie91> on the way
19:09:29 <joepie91> very frustrating
19:09:33 <joepie91> anyway
19:09:40 <joepie91> Watson is the AI that IBM is working on
19:09:45 <joepie91> it learns from what it reads
19:09:53 <joepie91> so they let it read UD
19:09:59 <Divinite> Ok then
19:10:01 <joepie91> and it started using the vocabulary it picked up there
19:10:01 <joepie91> haha
19:10:12 <Divinite> LOL
19:10:52 <Divinite> joepie91: Need some advice from you
19:11:14 <joepie91> that's usually another way to say "I really broke something very very badly"
19:11:17 <joepie91> when people say that
19:11:18 <joepie91> but, go ahead
19:11:20 <joepie91> :P
19:11:46 <Divinite> My school firewall drops any packets with SSH/VPN, etc
19:11:47 <joepie91> (people tend to not say they 'need' advice from me because I can be a bit of an asshole at times, so they often only say such a thing when they are really desperate...)
19:12:01 <joepie91> right
19:12:04 <Divinite> And has extremely strict blocking
19:12:07 <joepie91> how about HTTPS?
19:12:19 <Divinite> Yeah, problems with that too
19:12:25 <joepie91> I mean legitimate HTTPS
19:12:33 <joepie91> real HTTPS traffic
19:12:38 <Divinite> https has to be non-signed
19:12:54 <Divinite> For instance https://github.com
19:13:00 <Divinite> Will not work
19:13:09 <Divinite> But an unsigned cert
19:13:11 <Divinite> Will
19:13:17 <joepie91> wat
19:13:20 <joepie91> that makes no sense
19:13:25 <joepie91> also, http://www.exiledmind.net/vpn-tunnel/
19:13:26 <Divinite> I know
19:13:29 <joepie91> but eh
19:13:33 <joepie91> I recommend being VERY careful
19:13:38 <joepie91> as it seems like they're trying to MITM...
19:14:07 <joepie91> wtf kind of retarded school are you at :|
19:14:09 <Divinite> They are
19:14:32 <Divinite> Catholic school...
19:14:35 <Divinite> They all send off all packets to one place
19:14:42 <Divinite> Monitored by the Church
19:14:48 <Divinite> Bastards
19:14:51 <joepie91> oh, of course, because invading on peoples privacy is not a sin
19:14:57 <joepie91> fuck this shit
19:15:04 <Divinite> I hate Christianity
19:15:09 <joepie91> MUST ENFORCE MORAL GUIDELINES ON OTHERS
19:15:09 <Divinite> And Catholics
19:15:14 <Divinite> Yep
19:15:21 <joepie91> Divinite: change schools
19:15:21 <Divinite> That's why I want to bypass it
19:15:31 <Divinite> Can't :/
19:15:38 <joepie91> why not?
19:15:46 <Divinite> Maybe next year
19:16:00 <Divinite> It's not as simple as "let's change schools"
19:16:09 <Divinite> Not in Australia anyway
19:16:34 <joepie91> I don't see why not
19:16:43 <joepie91> you don't have standardized education system there?
19:17:45 <Divinite> We do
19:18:02 <Divinite> But school applications are different
19:18:14 <Divinite> And I cannot drive myself to school
19:18:22 <joepie91> why has noone fixed this shit yet
19:18:23 <joepie91> seriously
19:18:29 <Divinite> Most schools are very far away
19:18:34 <Divinite> Yeah, I know
19:18:45 <Divinite> Bastard church
19:19:02 <Divinite> I'm thinking they store the data for later use
19:19:54 <Divinite> If I just kill their DNS servers
19:20:00 <Divinite> All catholic schools
19:20:09 <Divinite> Will be freed
19:21:40 <Divinite> But meh
19:21:47 <Divinite> I'll just bypass
19:21:50 <Divinite> And be merry
19:33:27 <joepie91> meh
19:33:29 <joepie91> just kill their system
19:33:30 <joepie91> :D
19:37:07 <Divinite> LOL
19:37:16 <Divinite> It's harder than you think
19:37:55 <joepie91> not really
19:38:04 <joepie91> over the years, I have found numerous ways to break shit in our school network
19:38:14 <joepie91> because I kept my eyes open
19:38:14 <joepie91> :p
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20:00:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I saw a notification that I was mentioned but it was far too long ago to retrieve.
20:01:02 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Mornin
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20:11:01 <joepie91> hai wh1t3r4bb1t
20:11:18 <joepie91> two things:
20:11:24 <joepie91> 1. you can ctrl+F on....
20:11:26 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
20:11:26 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-07#T20-11-26
20:11:29 <joepie91> 2.
20:11:30 <joepie91> <joepie91>http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a117735/start-of-a-new-wub
20:11:30 <joepie91> <joepie91>wh1t3r4bb1t: ^
20:11:32 <joepie91> :P
20:11:44 <joepie91> (the advantages of public logs!)
20:17:40 <lady-3jane> NP: [Tinariwen - Dualahila ar Tesninam] [Amassakoul] [786kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
21:15:11 <monod> <~joepie91> and then they let Watson read the Urban Dictionary
21:15:12 <monod> <~joepie91> and had to wipe its memory
21:15:12 <monod> lol! ^
21:15:42 <monod> Divinite, not only in australia changing school is not immediate, everywhere is like that
21:15:54 <monod> oh well
21:16:15 <monod> not if education & teaching are standardised as joepie mentioned
21:16:24 <monod> so nevermind what I said xD
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21:28:30 <Tron> rofl
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21:28:38 <Tron> hi
21:28:55 <monod> hi Tron
21:29:00 <monod> take a look at this
21:29:04 <monod> loggy, pointer?
21:29:04 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-07#T21-29-04
21:29:08 <monod> loggy, help?
21:29:08 <loggy> I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://wire.cryto.net/logs/
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22:08:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Kickstarter if faggotry
22:08:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I can't save anything! Completely useless ajax if it doesn't save your work.
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22:19:45 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: did you see the jamendo link>?
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22:31:36 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Oh yes I downloaded that song
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22:32:38 <joepie91> :)
22:32:41 <joepie91> like it?
22:36:11 <lady-3jane> oh fuck yeah! the problems I was having running bitcoin on freebsd may have been boost port issues!
22:36:20 * lady-3jane waits on the extremely long recompile
22:36:55 <lady-3jane> hopefully openssl will recompile today too, to fix dos vuln lol
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22:37:04 <lady-3jane> love that my server emails me when there's a vulnerability
22:43:07 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm still pissed off at kickstarter
22:43:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it won't save my fucking rewards and let me continue
22:43:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> their save feature is fucking broket.
22:43:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> broken*
22:54:32 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: trying to fund a competitor to the Death Star?
22:54:40 <joepie91> :P
22:56:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Trying to fund a new album. Their website is supper buggy. Very shitily made.
22:57:29 <joepie91> not surprised
22:57:37 <joepie91> it has some elements of hipster in it
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23:27:07 <joepie91> really?
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23:28:00 <joepie91> well, it's that time again
23:28:02 <joepie91> main hub is down
23:28:08 <joepie91> welcome back all
23:28:24 <joepie91> also, lulzy reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/182v6v/as_international_currency_war_brews_bitcoin_may/c8b833u
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