Cryto! 3 January 2014

00:01:24 <dorotea> hey joepie91 is vhost broken?
00:02:41 <dorotea> like, the user.whatever ones work, but user-set ones don't seem to?
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00:06:55 <joepie91> dorotea: I just haven't manually approved any requested vhosts in a long time because I still have to recover services admin
00:07:30 <dorotea> ahh :)
00:07:59 <dorotea> someone was having issues setting one, that'd explain why :D
00:08:12 <Cypher> oh no's u lost passed? or just service is corrupt?
00:08:20 <Cypher> passwd*
00:08:41 <dorotea> it's better this way, what with the admin locked out of his own services
00:08:41 <dorotea> :D
00:08:49 <dorotea> more secure lulz
00:09:41 <dorotea> have some delicious music:
00:09:57 <Cypher> off topic how do i figure out the resolution of a photo? i just uploaded a picture from my camera and i have no idea the rez of it or how to find it lol i should duckduckgo it i guess.
00:10:40 <dorotea> usually the infobox or properties box whatever will tell you
00:11:00 <dorotea> if you're on windows, the properties thing does, but it's in advanced
00:11:17 <Cypher> osx here and its not in info that i could see. :/
00:11:43 <dorotea> show info should say it
00:11:50 <dorotea> might have to click an arrow to show it tho
00:12:00 <joepie91> <Cypher>oh no's u lost passed? or just service is corrupt?
00:12:00 <joepie91> <Cypher>passwd*
00:12:03 <Cypher> yeah i know where it usually is but its not listed with this cam some reason
00:12:06 <joepie91> I lost my password a long time ago
00:12:10 <joepie91> after feds seized my stuff
00:12:13 <Cypher> ah that blows
00:12:14 <joepie91> I just never got around to resetting it
00:12:25 <joepie91> I only reset my oper pass because that was easy
00:12:37 <joepie91> but I don't have access to nickserv (or services admin, because of that)
00:12:52 <kilo> em guys, whats the best sec token crypt fs with dm crypt atm?
00:12:53 <dorotea> cam? why aren't you just looking at it in finder or something
00:12:57 <kilo> aes-xts-plain64 --key-size 512?
00:13:20 <dorotea> finder -> get info -> "more info" shows me resolution
00:13:22 <Cypher> thats what i mean i right clicked the picture and clicked info and then click on show more info
00:13:28 <Cypher> but it don't display the rez for some reason.
00:13:31 <dorotea> weird
00:13:32 <Cypher> it does on other pictures
00:13:35 <Cypher> but not this one
00:13:39 <dorotea> dunno then
00:13:42 <Cypher> so i was wondering a alt way?
00:13:56 <Cypher> that be cool if i could use a cmd in terminal lol
00:14:07 <Cypher> don't matter to me just would like to know the rez of this pic
00:14:09 <dorotea> dunno lol
00:14:15 <kilo> whatsoever, idk
00:14:27 <dorotea> what're the choices, kilo
00:14:37 <kilo> sha256 or 512
00:14:53 <dorotea> so both are sha2, longer isn't going to hurt you
00:14:53 <kilo> xts or cbc
00:15:08 <kilo> i dunno want to get hurt
00:16:05 <dorotea> honestly I'd actually go with CBC, not because it's inherently better or anything but because xts is very new
00:16:11 <Cypher> sha512?
00:16:14 <dorotea> 2007 standardized
00:16:21 <dorotea> yes, 512byte long sha2 hashes
00:16:53 <dorotea>
00:16:57 <dorotea> (xts)
00:17:11 <dorotea> cbc seems stronger, but much slower
00:17:21 <dorotea> 2x slower
00:17:32 <kilo> zfs with lvm might be my best choice, and ctx plain46 with soze sha512 key length maybe
00:17:47 <dorotea> what's plain64
00:17:53 <dorotea> plain anything seems like a Bad Idea
00:17:53 <kilo> *xts plain64
00:17:58 <kilo> lel
00:18:22 <kilo> eh why?
00:18:57 <dorotea> plain being no encryption?
00:19:01 <dorotea> or hashing, or whatever
00:19:18 <dorotea> but you're dicking with disk encryption shit I've never touched so
00:19:37 <kilo> aes-xts-plain64 might be strong, im gonna hope so
00:19:54 <dorotea> prolly
00:20:04 <kilo> damn new hdd and no idea bout encryprion
00:20:06 <kilo> *t
00:20:16 <dorotea> I've never done FDE, so ditto
00:20:32 <kilo> shay k thx will try
00:21:00 <dorotea> fde doesn't help my use-case, heh. Either I'm here and I stand there as they infect my shit or I'm not here and they do it anyway
00:21:09 <dorotea> :D
00:21:13 <kilo> :P
00:21:22 <kilo> lelz loud
00:21:26 <dorotea> in neither case is encryption useful. desktop pc don't move lulz
00:21:41 <dorotea> laptopish shit on the other hand... :D
00:23:31 <kilo> filevault2 is based on xts-aes?
00:24:06 <dorotea> dunno what that is
00:24:08 <dorotea> osx shit?
00:24:49 <Cypher> figured it out command+i with photo open in preview brings up lots of info
00:24:54 <Cypher> :)
00:24:57 <kilo> letz check the other site
00:24:59 <kilo> PBKDF2-HMAC-SHA512 / AES: 95 kHash/s
00:25:03 <kilo> on ocl
00:25:15 <kilo> thatz slow
00:25:21 <kilo> btw
00:26:09 <dorotea> yus
00:26:26 <dorotea> that's a combination of characters I approve of
00:26:51 <kilo> thats kind of variable in that game
00:26:52 <Cypher> filevault: An application that comes with Mac OS X for encrypting and protecting files on Macintosh computers.
00:27:00 <Cypher> I would vouch for TrueCrypt tho.
00:27:11 <kilo> nah, i dont care
00:27:59 <Cypher> true crypt is most secure from what i learned.
00:28:03 <kilo> .wiki filevault
00:28:07 <dorotea> .wik
00:28:08 <botpie91> Perhaps you meant ".wik Zen"?
00:28:17 <kilo> .wik filevault
00:28:18 <botpie91> "FileVault is a method of using encryption with volumes on Mac computers." -
00:28:24 <joepie91> Cypher: actually that's bullshit because there has not been a truecrypt audit (yet)
00:28:31 <dorotea> ^
00:28:37 <joepie91>
00:28:47 <dorotea> after the audit, and subsequent fixes, it'll be verifiably good (or bad)
00:28:56 <Cypher> heh what would u vouch for joepie91 j/w
00:30:00 <dorotea> I like dmcrypt
00:30:11 <joepie91> Cypher: I'm not sure there -are- any publicly audited FDE mechanisms
00:30:11 <joepie91> but
00:30:13 <kilo> yay thats for a reason
00:30:20 <joepie91> "If it would make you feel better, governments and military commonly use LUKS with AES256, CBC, ESSIV and SHA256 to protect stuff up to the level of secret and above that level they may use exactly the same algorithm, but just an audited and certified version."
00:30:21 <kilo> dm-crypt universelle
00:30:41 <joepie91> (unsourced)
00:30:47 <dorotea> yeah
00:31:00 <dorotea> if my mom ever gets clearances I'll ask
00:31:15 <kilo> haha :P and tell me
00:31:16 <dorotea> but that's going to be a couple of years yet :P
00:31:42 <joepie91> dorotea: would you mind travelling back in time to now
00:31:44 <joepie91> and give the answer already
00:31:44 <joepie91> :)
00:33:38 * joepie91 goes back to Blender
00:33:46 <joepie91> I'm building a house!@
00:33:56 <dorotea> :D
00:33:56 <joepie91> (the IRC bot of 3D design)
00:34:09 <dorotea> soon: an irc interface to blender
00:34:28 <joepie91> technically easily doable
00:34:39 <joepie91> Python is pretty much the IRC language nowadays
00:34:40 <dorotea> written in python and hosted publicly, so that you could stream commands from one bot to another as a public art project
00:34:40 <kilo> dont forget teh spaceshuttle  joepie91 - living on earth is hard
00:34:42 <joepie91> and Blender scripting is Python
00:34:59 <dorotea> constructing a human one command at a time
00:35:05 <joepie91> collaborative artbots...
00:35:10 <dorotea> :3
00:35:11 <joepie91> this sounds vaguely concerning
00:35:20 <dorotea> it sounds vaguely AWESOME
00:37:58 <dorotea> Zhou Tonged - Cyprus Anthem
00:38:01 <dorotea> still my favorite
00:38:27 <dorotea> Satoshi said Don't you Worry, Don't you worry child, bitcoin has got a plan for you!
00:39:29 <dorotea> It's funny because the capital controls implemented in cyprus are totally present in usa already
00:39:46 <dorotea> theirs were a bit stricter than ours though
00:40:24 <MK_FG> kilo, If you follow dorotea's suggestion and switch to cbc, don't use plain64 or plain IV
00:40:32 <dorotea> ^
00:40:43 <MK_FG> aes-cbc-essiv should work
00:40:52 <dorotea> milspec++
00:41:19 <dorotea> whenever I'm encrypting anything, this song plays in my head:
00:41:33 <MK_FG> There's also "null" for IV, which is - not to be confused with plain - universally bad ;)
00:41:43 <dorotea> if that song played for everyone whenever they encrypted shit, encryption would be THE default
00:42:29 <MK_FG> Heh, having stuff on dm-crypt, it'd have to play 24/7
00:42:54 <dorotea> absolutely
00:43:07 <dorotea> background music to the world
00:43:47 <MK_FG> Sounds like some horrible dystopy ;)
00:44:10 <dorotea> you'd just walk around with swagger and if anybody asked questions you'd be all "nigga I'm cryptin' shit, step off"
00:44:14 <kilo> MK_FG, aes-cbc-essiv:sha512, if your kernel supports it...
00:44:35 <dorotea> seems legit
00:44:53 <MK_FG> Nah, cbc shucks
00:45:07 <dorotea> slow as fuck, yeah
00:45:17 <MK_FG> One flipped bit propagates corruption to second block half
00:45:25 <MK_FG> Also slow - has to be chained
00:45:43 <MK_FG> And probably have some weird vulns too
00:45:56 <kilo> k cleaning the bits again
00:45:57 <dorotea> xts is too green imo
00:46:14 <MK_FG> rc4 ftw
00:46:20 <joepie91> <dorotea>if that song played for everyone whenever they encrypted shit, encryption would be THE default
00:46:22 <joepie91> nonono
00:46:24 <joepie91> sec
00:46:34 <joepie91>
00:46:34 <joepie91> !
00:46:54 <dorotea> MK_FG:) y u trawlin
00:47:18 <dorotea> oh god no
00:47:23 <joepie91> :)
00:47:23 <dorotea> not this shit
00:47:31 <dorotea> there's a fucking reason I turned the music off that game
00:47:40 <joepie91> :D
00:49:00 <joepie91> okay fine
00:49:01 <joepie91> dorotea:
00:49:18 <kilo> tahhhh MK_FG
00:49:27 <kilo> ESSIV adds some entropy to prevent same text cyphered on the same way, The XTS does not commonly use ESSIV because the XTS provides another mechanism rather than IV number.
00:49:33 <kilo> .woogle it
00:50:05 <dorotea> I have better elevator music than this O.o
00:50:58 <MK_FG> kilo, Yes, that's why you need essiv with cbc
00:51:39 <MK_FG> "entropy" seem like a weird word for totally deterministic thing ;)
00:51:48 <MK_FG> (i.e. hashed block number)
00:52:01 <dorotea> lol deterministic entropy
00:52:11 <dorotea> might as well ask the user for random numbers
00:52:39 <MK_FG> 1. Encrypt with random IV  2. ???  3. Profit!
00:53:12 <dorotea> omg
00:53:21 <dorotea> I got an ad on youtube to be a CIA officer
00:53:39 <dorotea> and in the most telling slip ever, they said "Learn from past intel officers"
00:53:40 <MK_FG> Resistance is futile
00:53:44 <kilo> you charming :P
00:53:48 <dorotea> past, not former or retired
00:53:56 <dorotea> because they know that once an intel officer always an intel officer
00:54:49 <MK_FG> Same can probably be said about every profession :P
00:55:10 <dorotea> well but that's the joke with spooks
00:55:24 <dorotea> everybody retires, but they never really stop working for the agency
00:56:00 <MK_FG> Now I wonder why such thing exists
00:56:59 <dorotea> my discrete math teacher was that way
00:57:22 <dorotea> oh yeah, because a cia sigint op of 30 years is really going to retire and teach one class at a local college
00:57:50 <MK_FG> Sure, why not?
00:58:33 <dorotea> because of the intel industry in town
00:58:33 <dorotea> :P
00:58:52 <MK_FG> Wat
00:59:01 <MK_FG> Intel in town? ;)
00:59:07 <MK_FG> I thought it was inside
00:59:14 <dorotea> ;D
00:59:27 * dorotea blows intel all over MK_FG's face
00:59:56 * dorotea mails a letter to putin apoligizing for violating airspace
01:00:21 <joepie91> lol
01:00:23 <joepie91>
01:00:29 <MK_FG> No need, he read that already
01:00:41 <joepie91> assuming that is not faked, this guy is incredibly screwed
01:01:47 <MK_FG> Doesn't seem that bad to take nap under a desk
01:02:01 <dorotea> yeah I don't actually see a problem with it
01:02:15 <MK_FG> Shows dedication
01:02:38 <MK_FG> Like, you didn't ran away home to sleep, but so hardcore you even sleep at a workplace
01:02:54 <joepie91> MK_FG: the problem is that you're using logic
01:02:57 <joepie91> this is management
01:03:00 <joepie91> logic is irrelevant
01:03:01 <joepie91> :P
01:03:03 <MK_FG> Yes!
01:03:09 <joepie91> also
01:03:10 <joepie91>
01:03:13 <MK_FG> What they want is obedience and blind following
01:03:16 <joepie91> also
01:03:19 <joepie91> also
01:03:24 <MK_FG> Which is what the thing displays!
01:03:29 <MK_FG> Like, being a good drone
01:03:31 <joepie91> god imgur is so awful
01:03:35 <joepie91> I just went to upload an image
01:03:38 <joepie91> and I got lost in gifs
01:03:38 <joepie91> :(
01:03:56 <MK_FG> You don't have to watch them all you know
01:04:31 <joepie91> lol:
01:04:33 <joepie91> MK_FG; WRONG
01:04:35 <joepie91> THEY DEMAND IT
01:04:35 <joepie91> :(
01:05:07 <MK_FG> Oh
01:05:38 <joepie91> waaaaaait
01:05:38 <MK_FG> The voices?
01:05:40 <joepie91> a moment
01:05:40 <joepie91> where
01:05:44 <joepie91> did the "direct image URL" go
01:05:47 <joepie91> on imgur
01:06:13 <joepie91> anyway
01:06:14 <joepie91>
01:07:06 <MK_FG> Windows look unnecessarily small for a house for people to live in
01:07:17 <joepie91> ..
01:07:18 <MK_FG> And if it's a barn, shape seem to be a bit wrong
01:07:21 * joepie91 stares at MK_FG
01:07:33 <MK_FG> What? what?
01:07:37 <joepie91> it's my first real Blender thing okay :(
01:07:51 <MK_FG> But it's not a blender thing ;)
01:08:14 <joepie91> wat
01:08:50 * dorotea blenders your thing
01:09:14 <MK_FG> I mean, more of a conceptual thing than execution (in blender)
01:09:20 <dorotea> that reminds me to watch inception again
01:09:21 <joepie91> hehe:
01:09:26 <joepie91> MK_FG: confused
01:09:30 <dorotea> that was an amazing movie
01:09:50 <MK_FG> Meeh
01:10:01 <MK_FG> Overhyped!
01:10:06 <MK_FG> (is the word)
01:10:23 <dorotea> the word, yes, but I don't listen to hype
01:10:34 <MK_FG> YOU CREATE IT
01:10:35 <dorotea> can't be overhyped if you never heard hype ;)
01:10:56 * joepie91 is much confused and goes back to Blender
01:11:11 <dorotea> much blender. very primitive. wow.
01:11:17 * dorotea ducks
01:11:25 <joepie91>
01:11:29 <joepie91> "Modeling a Simple Person"
01:11:32 <joepie91> "Simple Person"
01:11:34 <joepie91> "Person"
01:11:36 <dorotea> simpleton!
01:11:43 <MK_FG> The retarded one?
01:11:43 <joepie91> that does not even remotely look like anything you could call a "person"
01:11:51 <dorotea> 1: draw a couple of circles
01:11:51 <joepie91> "stick figure", at best
01:11:53 <dorotea> 2: make them 3d
01:12:01 <dorotea> 3: fill in the rest of the human
01:12:07 <dorotea> 4: done!
01:12:08 <joepie91> lol
01:12:11 <MK_FG> Hey, stick figures can also have personality
01:12:20 <joepie91> sounds like those "draw mickey mouse" tutorials in the donald duck magazines here
01:12:22 <MK_FG> (see xkcd)
01:12:57 <dorotea> NOMS
01:13:32 <dorotea> NP: [Alison Mosshart and Carla Azar - Tomorrow Never Knows] [Sucker Punch] [854kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6
01:13:51 <dorotea> I love that movie too :D
01:14:23 <dorotea> because nothing is cooler than fighting world war 2 era clockwork powered reanimated zombies with a mech painted with pink bunnies
01:14:42 <dorotea> and using fuel air bombs against dragons
01:15:09 <MK_FG> Its meta layers are weird
01:15:23 <dorotea> absolutely
01:15:28 <dorotea> that's why I love it
01:15:34 <dorotea> I hate movies that are straightforward
01:15:53 <dorotea> except when they're shitty action movies, those are alright. blow shit up, don't look into the explosion.
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01:19:46 <dorotea> the only comedy I like is "men who stare at goats" :D
01:19:48 <dorotea> best movie ever
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01:27:28 <dorotea> .welcome joepie91
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01:36:32 <joepie91>
01:36:34 <joepie91> lol dorotea
01:36:46 <dorotea> lol tubepeople
01:36:53 <dorotea> :3
01:51:14 <MK_FG> Alienz
01:51:32 <MK_FG> dorotea, Did you see the recent Wolf movie?
01:52:05 <dorotea> nope
01:52:06 <MK_FG> I've heard it's something very meta like Sucker Punch, also delivers said thing and is basically a comedy
01:55:27 <dorotea> hmm
01:55:37 <dorotea> name of movie?
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01:56:05 <dorotea> just wolf, 2013?
01:56:46 <MK_FG> "wolf of wall street" or something like that
01:57:00 <MK_FG> scorcese/dicaprio
01:57:18 <dorotea> oh!
01:57:24 <dorotea> the one everyone's bitching about right now
01:57:30 <MK_FG> Heheh
01:57:34 <MK_FG> Yeah
01:57:36 <dorotea> excellent
01:57:52 <dorotea> everyone groaning at a movie is usually a good indication that it should be seen
01:58:23 <MK_FG> Though it's always safe bet to go see hobbit instead ;)
02:00:34 <dorotea> seen it
02:00:36 <dorotea> :)
02:01:28 <joepie91> !
02:01:31 <joepie91> dorotea
02:01:36 <joepie91> well-known Dutch newspaper
02:01:40 <joepie91> is going to accept BTC
02:01:45 <joepie91> for articles from their archive
02:01:54 <joepie91> (that previously required a subscription to the newspaper as a whole)
02:02:06 <joepie91> paypal/ideal already supported, BTC/creditcards being added soon
02:03:54 <dorotea> absolutely solid
02:04:05 <dorotea> what like 50c or 1$/article or something?
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02:04:49 <joepie91> 10 cents per article, but (for now) requires 5 euro per top-up
02:04:54 <joepie91> 10 eurocents
02:04:58 <joepie91> not dollar cents
02:05:00 <joepie91> :P
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02:05:10 <joepie91> also, apparently also accepts BTC
02:05:40 <dorotea> makes sense
02:05:41 <MK_FG> What, people actually pay for the news!?
02:05:59 <dorotea> 10c is a great price, and 5bucks ain't much buy-in
02:06:01 <MK_FG> Or rather "news"
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02:07:28 <MK_FG> Though come to think of it, I was subscribed to lwn for a few years until pre-last month or so...
02:07:41 <dorotea> :P
02:07:48 <joepie91> MK_FG: actually...
02:07:49 <joepie91> sec
02:08:00 <joepie91>
02:08:07 <joepie91> this kind of news outlet is absolutely worth a subscription
02:08:25 <joepie91> investigative journalism, well-researched and well-sourced pieces (with sources and references in the side-line)
02:08:29 <dorotea> I don't mind paying for news or "news" as it aligns business interests with mine
02:08:51 <MK_FG> Heh, they also have "news" in quotes ;)
02:08:52 <joepie91> and most of all, if you share an article, others don't hit a paywall
02:08:56 <joepie91> you can directly link to the article
02:09:12 <MK_FG> Yeah, same thing as with lwn
02:09:20 <MK_FG> Link on irc - no problem \o/
02:11:04 * joepie91 sighs
02:11:08 <joepie91>
02:11:20 <joepie91> the weekly "but NSA!" fear-post appears on /r/bitcoin
02:11:43 <joepie91> would be nice if people realized that traditional banking systems all use the exact same crypto, thus you're going to be fucked either way
02:12:09 <joepie91> not to mention "It all seems very ambitious to be the product of a single individual."
02:12:22 <joepie91> because apparently because he isn't ambitious, anybody else on the globe who is, is automatically suspect
02:12:25 <joepie91> or sometthing
02:13:08 <MK_FG> Well, now that I know NSA "observes" me, I'm boned
02:13:14 <MK_FG> Better go kill myself
02:13:30 <MK_FG> NSA is lulzy
02:13:53 <joepie91> thing is, what the NSA is doing -is- a problem, and it -is- a potential issue for Bitcoin
02:14:06 <joepie91> but depicting it as a "ticking timebomb"... is leaving out context at best
02:14:28 <joepie91> because at the point where Bitcoin is compromised through NSA fuckery, so is quite literally everything else related to money
02:14:44 <MK_FG> I think it's a potential problem for much more than just bitcoin
02:14:52 <joepie91> it's the usual "yeah, it's a problem with Bitcoin, but it isn't EXCLUSIVE to Bitcoin"
02:14:53 <MK_FG> And I thought that was your point as well..
02:15:01 <joepie91> which is a concept people seem to be unable to grasp
02:15:07 <joepie91> MK_FG: pretty much
02:15:38 <joepie91> I mean, coming up with solutions to these problems (or even trying to do so) is great
02:15:57 <joepie91> but sitting behind your keyboard on /r/bitcoin, posting threads where you're magnifying a universal issue for one particular thing (Bitcoin)
02:16:01 <joepie91> ... isn't really going to help anybody
02:16:09 <joepie91> :/
02:16:28 <MK_FG> Well...
02:16:44 <MK_FG> Someone can always profit from FUD :P
02:16:52 <MK_FG> So it might help them!
02:17:35 <joepie91> heh:
02:17:40 <MK_FG> Like the self-appointed messiah exposing bitcoin conspiracy actually
02:20:45 <MK_FG> Wait, ex-banker fellow buys piece of paradise and then moans on how banking system is unfair and criminal
02:20:53 <joepie91> .........
02:20:54 <joepie91> .title
02:20:55 <MK_FG> Yeah, sure, he's basically the proof of it :P
02:20:56 <botpie91> joepie91: AOL Still Earns Most of Its Money From Dialup Subscribers
02:21:11 <joepie91> MK_FG: lol
03:05:39 <joepie91> dorotea, I like my routing to arvel now :D
03:05:41 <joepie91>
03:11:57 <dorotea> joepie91:) much nicer :D
03:12:08 <dorotea> maaaan
03:12:11 <dorotea> world of warcraft
03:19:54 <joepie91> lol
03:19:57 <joepie91> anon mask for BTC:
03:28:40 <dorotea> :<
03:28:46 <dorotea> sad droplr is sad
03:28:56 <joepie91> I was about to post that in here
03:28:57 <joepie91> but yeah,
03:28:58 <joepie91> assholes
03:29:00 <dorotea> but mostly WoW
03:29:03 <dorotea> and wine
03:29:07 <joepie91> "hey thanks for making us what we are, now please pay or gtfo"
03:29:10 <dorotea> and now pizza and carrot cake
03:29:13 <dorotea> :D
03:29:42 * joepie91 puts Droplr in "asshole" list
03:30:18 <dorotea> yeah.
03:30:24 <dorotea> way to screw old users
03:37:55 <joepie91> without these people, they wouldn't have had a goddamn business to begin with
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03:44:22 <joepie91> I get so tired of this
03:44:54 <joepie91> I say that commercial anything is an awful idea because it leads to "profit over ethics" mentality, I get people bitching at me that "that's too wide a brush, you can do business ethically"
03:44:59 <joepie91> then the moment something unethical happens
03:45:06 <joepie91> the default justification is "yeah, that's just how business works"
03:45:07 <joepie91> wtf
04:01:58 <MK_FG> You can do biz ethically, but of course you don't - that's how it works :P
04:03:34 <dorotea> ^
04:09:18 <joepie91>
04:09:23 <joepie91> my new favourite facepalm
04:15:02 <Sabit> LOL
04:15:31 <Sabit> joepie91: that gif :P
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04:21:59 <Crypted> Hello.
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04:30:17 <dorotea> yes.
04:40:22 <joepie91> dorotea:
04:57:16 <dorotea> soon: gumby
05:12:09 <joepie91>
05:12:10 <joepie91> lol
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05:25:24 <> Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. |, | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: | RIP Aaron Swartz
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05:26:17 <joepie91> mmm
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05:45:51 <dorotea> lol
05:47:29 <joepie91> packet loss :/
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06:22:25 <joepie91> dorotea:
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06:50:36 <dorotea> marble!
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07:13:26 <joepie91> both reddit and imgur having load issues, it seems..
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10:56:29 <joepie91> I maed a lamp! cc MK_FG dorotea
10:57:06 <joepie91> cc iceTwy!
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11:06:34 <MK_FG> Nice, you can already get into game modding scene ;)
11:07:21 <joepie91> lol
11:07:22 <joepie91> nah
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11:08:25 <joepie91> MK_FG: seriously though, the ribs worked out nicer than I expected
11:08:26 <joepie91>
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11:15:45 <joepie91> MK_FG:
11:15:46 <joepie91> !
11:30:57 <iceTwy> grr.
11:31:02 <iceTwy> wtf is wrong with $100 college textbooks
11:31:04 <iceTwy> seriously
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11:52:47 <joepie91> iceTwy: textbook industry is a scammy industry
11:52:48 <joepie91> also
11:52:48 <joepie91>
11:52:49 <joepie91> !
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13:42:52 <iceTwy> the Dutch
13:42:55 <iceTwy> uheh
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15:10:54 <dorotea> only 100$ for a book? you so lucky
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22:07:25 <joepie91> hai Sabit
22:08:42 <Sabit> harro
22:08:45 <Sabit> i finally got it to work
22:08:49 <Sabit> :D
22:09:17 <Sabit> except... im a noob and put the stream into a loop sequence to fetch data.. so i gotta figure that out
22:10:08 <joepie91> Sabit: how do you mean?
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22:42:37 <Sabit> oh sorry joepie
22:43:09 <Sabit> joepie91, i use a for statement to retrieve data because i was following a tutorial :o
22:44:00 <joepie91> Sabit: pastebin some code?
22:45:54 <Sabit> joepie91,
22:46:33 <Sabit> oops.. forgot to put the declarations for some stuff there lol
22:48:42 <Sabit> pls don't cry at the code :<
22:48:46 <Sabit> i copy pasta'd most of it lol
22:49:59 <joepie91> Sabit: step one: indent your code properly
22:50:06 <joepie91> that is an absolutely vital aspect of programming
22:50:15 <joepie91> debugging will take endlessly longer if you don't indent your code properly
22:51:15 <Sabit> :o
22:53:11 <joepie91> Sabit; if you indent your code properly, then over time you'll learn to "scan" over your code and immediately see how the structure of it works
22:53:14 <joepie91> that is absolutely vital for debugging
22:53:21 <joepie91> and that's why debugging will take longer without proper indentation
22:54:31 <Sabit> :o
22:54:43 * Sabit nods
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23:54:46 <pzuraq> anyone know what's up with
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