Cryto! 28 November 2013
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05:51:02 <haless.cryto.net> Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz
05:51:02 <haless.cryto.net> Users on #crytocc: loggy skill3r pzuraq_ joepie91 probably lysobit Zekka foolex multihate GHOSTnew mikaa lblissett fr0z3n prism Asad disfunc nox ElectRo` connor paul &MK_FG IR601 LapAnon vld @SpaghettiCode connor- staticsafe Sonic d0wn aHlTat cayce niveus Sue truetravesty captainobvious
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07:43:33 <pzuraq> .bitcoin
07:43:34 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $969.98, 1 BTC = €790.49
07:43:40 <pzuraq> D:
07:44:39 <joepie91> pzuraq: hmm?
07:45:06 <pzuraq> joepie91: I want btc now but I don't has the moneys :(
07:45:44 <joepie91> ah
07:45:54 <joepie91> pzuraq: when investing, buying when it's high is usually not a very good strategy
07:45:55 <joepie91> just FYI
07:45:56 <joepie91> :)
07:46:01 <pzuraq> true
07:46:26 <pzuraq> I'm hoping that my lack of funds will be good, and there will be a drop soon instead
07:46:39 <joepie91> lol
07:46:50 <joepie91> also, pzuraq
07:47:02 <joepie91> http://tracker.archiveteam.org/hyves/
07:47:04 <joepie91> look at the speed!
07:47:04 <joepie91> :P
07:47:32 <joepie91> that's users/groups being downloaded and archived
07:49:32 <pzuraq> what are they archiving?
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07:55:49 <joepie91> botpie91, tell pzuraq that we're archiving Hyves, a Dutch social network that's about to shut down
07:55:50 <botpie91> joepie91: I'll pass that on when pzuraq is around.
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08:44:08 <joepie91> .startgh
08:44:10 <botpie91> Now watching GitHub for users joepie91, iceTwy, FichteFoll, cam1337, codetalkdev, shiny.
08:47:12 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03aether-public on branch 10master: '02Aaaaaand also force Logs/ to exist.' (https://github.com/joepie91/aether-public/compare/a79975ea94...16d938fdb0)
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09:13:23 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03aether-public on branch 10master: '02Add PyQt5 install script' (https://github.com/joepie91/aether-public/compare/16d938fdb0...400e2fc97c)
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09:31:36 <monod> hello
09:31:50 <monod> I'm reposting a message I wrote yesterday night
09:31:59 <monod> 23:00:40 <monod> hello
09:32:00 <monod> 23:00:45 <monod> I have a question:
09:32:02 <monod> 23:01:39 <monod> how does working for an important computer videogame software house sound for you?
09:32:03 <monod> 23:02:07 <monod> I was thinking at the "problem" that coding videogames is not that useful to society at all...
09:32:05 <monod> 23:02:31 <monod> I just came up with only one positive aspect, that is: I will improve my own skils, at work
09:32:08 <monod> hope this will not flood you :)
09:32:23 <monod> tell monod this is a test
09:32:32 <monod> botpie91, tell monod this is a test
09:32:33 <botpie91> You can tell yourself that.
09:32:34 <monod> ok
09:33:20 <monod> gotta go studying now >:) I want to become your fucking trusted engineer
09:33:28 <monod> cya soon/around! :)
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11:09:44 <monod> 01,04 Test
11:10:34 <joepie91> ohai
11:10:46 <joepie91> I wouldn't say that "coding videogames is not useful to society"
11:11:12 <joepie91> videogames, aside from providing entertainment (which /is/ necessary) also train quite a few skills
11:11:21 <joepie91> depending on genre
11:11:45 <joepie91> that said, more open-source games are needed, rather than proprietary
11:15:31 <monod> hey there
11:15:47 <monod> Dunno if you saw the colorz on "Test"
11:15:56 <joepie91> yes, I did
11:15:57 <joepie91> also, fuck
11:16:02 <joepie91> my attempts at installing PyQt5
11:16:04 <joepie91> have broken PyQt4
11:16:05 <joepie91> wtf
11:16:33 <monod> anyway, I don't think you mean "entertainment" is necessary, but something else regarding the concept of well-being
11:16:58 <monod> but also, I know that there are some flaws in saying videogames are useless
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11:17:34 <monod> hello iceTwy
11:17:35 <monod> !
11:17:41 <monod> welcome aboardd
11:17:47 *** monod is now known as reservoir
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11:18:01 <monod> oh muy god
11:18:13 <monod> Konversation has a strange way to change nicknamez
11:18:45 <iceTwy> hey there monod
11:18:58 <iceTwy> monod: use weechat or something
11:19:16 <monod> can't install anything, departmental computers atm
11:19:30 <monod> or.. is it browser-based?
11:19:33 <iceTwy> departmental computers?
11:19:41 <iceTwy> nah, it's not browser-based
11:19:45 <monod> ehm, I'm at university
11:19:51 <iceTwy> ah, okay :p
11:19:53 <iceTwy> what uni btw?
11:20:03 <monod> do you mean which city?
11:20:08 <iceTwy> yeah
11:20:10 <monod> Padua
11:20:20 <monod> a famous universitarian city
11:20:37 <monod> "universitarian", if exists
11:20:52 <monod> universitary maybe :uhm:
11:21:23 <iceTwy> :p
11:21:25 <iceTwy> lol
11:28:15 <joepie91> universitarianist!
11:34:53 <monod> NOOOOO
11:35:00 <monod> you're trolling me! I feel it!!
11:35:10 <monod> CAN'T BE!!!
11:35:26 * monod bangs his head on the keyboard.
11:53:22 <MK_FG> monod, Wat, you think things that make people happy are "unnecessary"?
11:53:35 <monod> :D
11:53:48 <iceTwy> MK_FG: haha
11:53:49 <MK_FG> I'd think that they could be whole point of everything else
11:54:06 <iceTwy> so trolling is the point of everything in life
11:54:08 <iceTwy> ?
11:54:10 <iceTwy> hell yes
11:54:14 <monod> nono iceTwy XD
11:54:23 <iceTwy> yes
11:54:24 <MK_FG> Trolling doesn't make everyone hapy :P
11:54:25 <iceTwy> :
11:54:27 <MK_FG> ...usually
11:54:27 <iceTwy> D
11:54:35 <iceTwy> ... usually
11:54:38 <monod> it's referred to something said before you joined :3
11:54:43 <iceTwy> but since none of us here in this chat room are usual
11:54:55 <MK_FG> It might actually let people went out whatever crap they had that was making them unhappy
11:55:02 <MK_FG> So could be a good thing
11:55:12 <MK_FG> *vent
11:55:51 <monod> MK_FG: the only bad thing I was thinking of about coding games was the image of hardcore gamers, international tournaments and similar things..
11:56:09 <MK_FG> International tournaments are awesome
11:56:17 * MK_FG is a starcraft 2 sports fan
11:56:27 <monod> yes, I think so too :)
11:56:39 <monod> when I first discovered such events, I was amazed!
11:57:13 <monod> yet, once I asked myself: "but what are we/they (the players) doing??"
11:57:38 <MK_FG> Whatever the heck we want!
11:57:52 <MK_FG> (i.e. playing games)
11:58:30 <monod> One point in favor of games is that they are not harmful by themselves, but it's the way someone plays them
11:58:38 <MK_FG> I don't think being super-good at something or useful to society makes one happy
11:59:04 <MK_FG> In fact, I think it's a known fact that you don't want to be Chemistry Nobel Prize laureate :P
11:59:13 <monod> ???
11:59:19 <monod> And why? o_O
11:59:24 <MK_FG> (because rate of suicide among these is like "every third")
11:59:29 <monod> (I mean, why not)
11:59:33 <monod> oh god
11:59:35 <monod> really?
11:59:38 <MK_FG> Yep
11:59:39 <monod> and why is that?
12:00:01 <MK_FG> Could be that chemistry is kinda depressing and boring
12:00:09 <MK_FG> Or maybe a lot of pressure in that area
12:00:24 <MK_FG> Or chemicals altering their brain and killing health
12:00:35 <MK_FG> No idea! ;)
12:01:07 <monod> you shocked me! I didn't know this thing! It's really.. impressive O_O
12:01:12 <monod> anyway, GOOD TO KNOW
12:01:13 <MK_FG> In fact, I think rates of suicide among smarter and more productive (in terms of society) people is way higher than usual
12:01:31 <MK_FG> So clearly they should play more games instead of being smart and creative
12:01:41 <monod> hmm
12:01:52 <monod> I think you're now mixing things up a little bit, like:
12:02:11 <monod> there's no reason to bring "smart and creative" in, since that's also what we may do in games
12:02:25 <monod> I think there's some other names for what you wanted to say
12:02:31 <monod> am I correct? :)
12:02:49 <MK_FG> I think such people push themselves towards stupid work "for teh greater good" too hard
12:02:59 <monod> yes
12:03:00 <MK_FG> And that's core of the problem
12:03:05 <monod> uh.
12:03:07 <MK_FG> "So clearly they should play more games instead of being smart and creative"!
12:04:05 <monod> clearly they should play more games instead of pushing themselves way off their endurability, I would say
12:04:09 <monod> or something similar
12:04:26 <MK_FG> Yeah, relax and watch teh world burn \o/
12:04:37 <monod> because from what you say, seems like who plays games cannot be smart and/or creative! :D
12:04:45 <monod> <MK_FG> Yeah, relax and watch teh world burn \o/
12:04:46 <monod> LOL
12:06:31 <MK_FG> Also, designing (maybe not so much coding) games sounds like a very interesting activity
12:07:09 <monod> I so much share you're crazy statements like the one before, btw :)
12:07:24 <monod> and yes, videogames mix up so many fields together....
12:07:25 <MK_FG> That's what many people like to do with pen-and-paper rpgs, for example - build their own world and rulesets and stuff
12:08:08 <MK_FG> I've played these with a friends here and pretty much everyone was or wanted to be a dm at least one
12:08:10 <MK_FG> *once
12:08:18 <monod> hehe
12:09:00 <MK_FG> There shouldn't even be a question if it's worth doing, actually, if you like that stuff :P
12:09:17 <monod> :3
12:09:33 <MK_FG> In fact, I might be designing a shadowrun campaign in the near future
12:10:00 <monod> shadowrun? This name sounds familiar
12:10:17 <monod> also, sounds like a good new! :)
12:10:25 <MK_FG> RPG setting, and a few games based on it
12:10:36 <MK_FG> It's from some 80s, I think ;)
12:10:49 <MK_FG> Cyberpunk + magic and all that
12:10:54 <monod> now I remember what I was thinking of when I said "useful to society"!
12:11:15 <monod> (going to google it, I thought it was some more recent game, dunno why)
12:11:16 <MK_FG> Original shadowrun was probably a basis for rpg titans like planescape torment and arcanum
12:11:39 <MK_FG> (given similarities of setting and/or plot there)
12:11:42 <monod> real classic RPGs I see:)
12:12:06 <MK_FG> There actually is Shadowrun Returns these days
12:12:12 <MK_FG> Kickstarted game
12:12:23 <MK_FG> http://harebrained-schemes.com/shadowrun/
12:12:28 <joepie91> grrrrrrrrr
12:12:35 <joepie91> today is such an uninspired day :(
12:12:57 <monod> anyway, I still am not able to understand why certain people like RPGs over all games and why other people just.. don't! Like if the gameplay does not attract them
12:12:59 <MK_FG> Bought it on Steam, liked it a lot, but fairly sure it's for old-style rpg fans, not like skyrim or anything like that :P
12:13:29 <monod> joepie91: what's wrong?? :O
12:13:33 <monod> make a short pause
12:13:56 <monod> ohohoh, MK
12:14:08 <MK_FG> joepie91, There was defcon/blackhat video dumps few days ago - good source of inspiration :P
12:14:11 <monod> I have to ask you: how do you play on Steam? Linux, right?
12:14:33 <MK_FG> No no, I have a windows on this desktop too ;)
12:14:44 <MK_FG> I tried installing steam on exherbo here...
12:14:57 <joepie91> monod: supposed to be working on something, but can't find inspiration
12:15:02 <MK_FG> But it spat some unspeficic errors at me, so I quickly gave up
12:15:05 <joepie91> I thtink I'll just go work on something else instead
12:15:31 <monod> exherbo? o_O (duckducking it...)
12:15:42 <MK_FG> It's a esoteric linux distro
12:15:57 <MK_FG> Clearly steam is more oriented on something less hipsterish like ubuntu
12:16:13 <joepie91> MK_FG: you can run it on RPM-based systems also :)
12:16:31 <MK_FG> Yeah, fairly sure it's not *just* ubuntu :P
12:16:49 <monod> I tried Steam on Debian, after some scripty installer it went right
12:16:51 <monod> buuuuut..
12:17:06 <MK_FG> And I definitely can run it here, i.e. in ubuntu-like chroot, if everything else fails
12:17:08 <monod> ..the graphics support on Debian was not so great so I couldn't play anything :D
12:17:14 <MK_FG> But just don't see much point
12:17:29 <MK_FG> I have isolated windows setup just for games, why not play there...
12:17:54 <monod> pretty much the same as me ;) and so many others
12:18:14 <monod> "All design goals must be phrased in such a way that it is hard to use them as slogans to justify stupidity."
12:18:16 <monod> lol
12:18:53 <MK_FG> Sounds like a design goal for design goals that can be used to justify stupidity
12:19:18 <monod> yeah, to avoid them
12:19:37 <monod> I hope I got the irony correctly
12:19:39 <monod> :3
12:19:59 <MK_FG> No I mean, that the statement by itself is a goal that can lead to (and justify) really dumb phrasing :P
12:20:34 <monod> ok, but at least they couldn't be too short and used as slogans to justify echolalia
12:21:08 <monod> I WROTE ECHOLALIA CORRECTLY!!
12:21:18 <monod> this is a sign of English improvement!!
12:21:19 <MK_FG> I have no idea what that word means anyway!
12:21:31 <monod> I USED A WORD SOMEONE'S DOES NOT KNOW!!
12:21:37 <monod> THAT'S EVEN MORE IMPROVING!
12:21:38 <monod> xD
12:21:42 <MK_FG> Could be
12:21:45 <monod> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecolalia
12:21:52 <monod> it's a cool concept tho :)
12:22:04 <MK_FG> So it's Eco-, not Echo-?
12:22:06 <monod> someone's is wrong, in the first place xD
12:22:12 <monod> both of them :P
12:22:17 <monod> ops
12:22:22 <monod> sorry, only echo*
12:22:31 <monod> "Redirecting from ecolalia"
12:22:37 <monod> phewwwwww
12:22:52 <joepie91> .wik echolalia
12:22:53 <botpie91> "Echolalia (also known as echologia or echophrasia[1]|) is the automatic repetition of vocalizations made by another person." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echolalia
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12:23:07 <monod> oh cool .wik usage there
12:23:15 <joepie91> :)
12:23:16 <monod> +1 joepie
12:23:18 <monod> :D
12:23:22 <joepie91> .wik wikipedia
12:23:23 <botpie91> "Wikipedia (|i|/ˌwɪkɨˈpiːdiə/ or |i|/ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/ WIK-i-PEE-dee-ə) is a collaboratively edited, multilingual, free Internet encyclopedia supported by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
12:23:33 <joepie91> surprisingly neutral
12:23:41 <monod> :?
12:23:58 <joepie91> you'd expect wikipedia to praise wikipedia
12:23:59 <joepie91> :P
12:24:05 <monod> xD
12:24:59 <monod> ohhh I can feel the lunch is going out of the hard-digesting phase
12:25:11 <monod> so back to work soon ;evil:
12:26:56 <monod> how can I overcome that fear of breaking stuff on Linux? As when people began having computers at home and couldn't try and fix easy problems by themselves for the fear of breaking something they didn't know?
12:27:02 <monod> maybe I also found the answer...
12:27:13 <joepie91> monod: idk, but my stuff never breaks
12:27:16 <joepie91> unless I break it myself
12:27:16 <joepie91> lol
12:27:17 <monod> xD
12:27:44 <monod> by the way, I kinda realised how I learned the first time, on Windows
12:27:57 <monod> just looking inside folders, it's the only way to start
12:28:16 <monod> understanding where the computers looks for his things
12:28:17 <monod> and stuff
12:28:19 <monod> good.
12:28:21 <monod> will do.
12:28:26 <monod> bak2work!
12:28:31 <monod> byezzz
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12:55:24 <joepie91> http://i.imgur.com/2cChKvq.jpg
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13:33:58 <joepie91> .wik .la
13:33:59 <botpie91> ".la is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Laos." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.la
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15:35:54 <joepie91> .wik thanksgiving
15:35:55 <botpie91> "Thanksgiving Day (Jour de l'Action de grâce in Canadian French) is a national holiday celebrated primarily in the United States and Canada as a day of giving thanks for the blessing of the harvest and of the preceding year." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving
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22:15:04 <iceTwy> OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
22:15:06 <iceTwy> captainobvious:
22:15:08 <iceTwy> cayce:
22:15:10 <iceTwy> cayce:
22:15:12 <iceTwy> cayce:
22:15:14 <iceTwy> cayce:
22:15:16 <iceTwy> cayce:
22:15:18 <iceTwy> cayce:
22:15:20 <iceTwy> cayce:
22:15:34 <captainobvious> your god won
22:15:36 <captainobvious> 't save you now
22:20:53 <iceTwy> captainobvious: well no
22:20:56 <iceTwy> but DeaDBeeF will
22:21:00 <iceTwy> cayce: http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/posts/deadbeef_0.6.0_is_out.html
22:21:02 <iceTwy> .title
22:21:03 <botpie91> Can't connect to http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/posts/deadbeef_0.6.0_is_out.html
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23:43:21 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 9 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add CodeTestSwitcher plugin', '02Update p.json', '02Update p.json - move pxtoem to right position', '02Update p.json - add sublime_text version selector', '02Update c.json', '02Fixed indentation', '02Added PythonTraceback module', '02use tabs for indent', '02Merge pull request #2428 from maltize/masterAdd CodeTestSwitcher plugin' (https://git
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