Cryto! 6 October 2013
00:24:21 <DrWhat> lol its funny
00:24:24 <DrWhat> im on anonops
00:24:29 <DrWhat> making my self look vulntable
00:24:35 <DrWhat> Now they are trying to troll me
00:24:50 <DrWhat> and im giving them icecream and dropping it on the floor :D
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00:58:15 <DrWhat> http://www.fastcoexist.com/3019051/this-artist-learned-to-code-by-building-a-website-every-day-for-180-days
01:03:02 <DrWhat> jquery mobile is all over the news
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01:16:28 <iceTwy> alright
01:16:30 <iceTwy> going to sleep
01:16:32 <iceTwy> night
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01:41:04 <Zoned> sigh
01:58:23 <Zoned> trolling is so fun :)(
01:58:26 <Zoned> trolling is so fun :)*
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02:08:04 <Macbeth> 4TOR SERVERS ARE DOWN! BE CAREFUL!
02:11:04 <Zoned> #tweetersanonymous http://ibnlive.in.com/news/twitter-ipo-fervour-sends-bankrupt-tweeters-stocks-1400-per-cent-up/426575-11.html
02:11:19 <Macbeth> iceTwy, I just understood what your nick means
02:11:24 <Macbeth> .title
02:11:25 <botpie91> Macbeth: Twitter IPO fervour sends bankrupt Tweeter's stocks 1,400 per cent up
02:11:34 <Macbeth> Ha ha ha
02:11:44 <Macbeth> I've got a link for you:
02:11:51 <Zoned> :)
02:12:08 <Macbeth> this may take a minute
02:12:14 <Macbeth> my internet is being retarded
02:12:19 <Zoned> tor isn't down you fuckhead
02:12:33 <Macbeth> Well aren't you an awesome guy
02:12:49 <Macbeth> http://puu.sh/4IGa3.png
02:13:24 <Zoned> don't mean shit
02:13:29 <Zoned> tor is prob. under a ddos again
02:13:46 <Macbeth> Well that's much better
02:13:57 <Macbeth> The servers are having trouble.
02:14:03 <Macbeth> So I;m not doing much with it
02:17:22 <Zoned> lol
02:17:35 <Macbeth> laugh it up
02:17:45 <Macbeth> not sure what your problem with people is
02:17:58 <Zoned> im just laughing at this kid
02:18:08 <Zoned> "I have 39k slaves on my botnet"
02:18:10 <Macbeth> Yeah...
02:18:12 <Zoned> [....]
02:18:16 <Zoned> "but only 10 are on right now"
02:18:18 <Zoned> lololol
02:18:22 <Macbeth> lulz
02:18:31 <Macbeth> That guy is awesome
02:18:32 <Zoned> so the correct phrase is
02:18:38 <Zoned> "I HAD 39k slaves on my botnet"
02:18:54 <Zoned> lolol premiumvm up for sale again
02:18:56 <Macbeth> "I never did. I'm a lying phag."
02:18:57 <Zoned> lmfao
02:19:15 <Zoned> I can see his next business
02:19:17 <Zoned> "Wewontsell VM"
02:19:27 <Macbeth> LOL
02:19:34 <Zoned> Promises: 100% downtime, no refunds.
02:20:10 <Macbeth> ha ha ha
02:20:31 <Zoned> :D
02:20:37 <Zoned> im working on my tor host atm
02:20:48 <Zoned> cheap as fuck tor host coming soon
02:21:07 <Zoned> Dual 10gbit ports into the back of a dedicated server offshore in a undisclosed location
02:21:28 <Zoned> $35/mo for one site.
02:21:37 <Zoned> (0.3btc)
02:21:42 <Macbeth> gotta jump
02:21:44 <Macbeth> see you later
02:21:46 * Macbeth is away:
02:21:59 <Zoned> lol kcya
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03:37:11 <Macbeth> iceTwy, I just understood what your nick means
03:38:01 <DrWhat> what does it mean
03:38:12 <Macbeth> ice=nice
03:38:15 <Macbeth> Twy=try
03:38:18 <Macbeth> nice try
03:38:40 <Macbeth> gotta go
03:38:43 <Macbeth> gotta ru
03:38:50 <Macbeth> gotta run
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06:01:00 <tommykaine> eh eh
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08:17:50 <AnonO_o> hai
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08:22:52 <Cryto983> Salve, che fine ha fatto cipolla2?
08:25:38 <Cryto983> Qualcuno mi sa dare informazioni ? Avevo dei contatti importanti e non so come fare per leggere i messaggi privati, nè come rintracciare i miei contatti.
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08:33:44 <Cryto983> Ha un altro indirizzo?C'era scritto, sabato che stavano lavorando sul server.
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09:45:20 <joepie91> MK_FG; did you have IPv6 at home?
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09:54:24 <AnonO_o> mm ipv6
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10:56:15 <iceTwy> hola
10:57:00 <iceTwy> heh, too bad Macbeth isn't here
10:57:14 <iceTwy> I'm halfway through with my blog post about setting up an IRC server
11:00:21 <joepie91> iceTwy: hai
11:00:28 <joepie91> ex em pee pee!
11:00:35 <iceTwy> er yeah
11:00:37 <iceTwy> sec
11:00:39 <iceTwy> pasting something
11:00:41 <joepie91> :P
11:00:45 <joepie91> alright
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12:15:10 <joepie91> http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-payment-protocol-makeover/
12:15:11 <joepie91> urgh
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12:19:18 <Zoned> hai
12:20:17 <joepie91> whyyyy did this have to be built on top of SSL
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12:24:58 <joepie91> .title http://pri.org/stories/2013-10-04/if-you-wanna-buy-beer-berlin-bring-your-bitcoins
12:24:59 <botpie91> joepie91: If you wanna buy a beer in Berlin, bring your bitcoins | Public Radio International
12:25:25 <kenical> hi > all
12:30:46 <iceTwy> hey there, kenical
12:31:37 <kenical> hi, before I have to say is my engish is vert tiny, sry bouthat.
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13:07:36 <Zoned> joepie91, know any good graphing solution for php?
13:15:15 <joepie91> Zoned: http://www.chartjs.org/
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13:26:31 <Zoned> k thanks
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14:42:18 <joepie91> .w instant
14:42:19 <botpie91> instant — noun: 1. A very short period of time; a moment, 2. A single, usually precise, point in time — adjective: 1. Impending; imminent, 2. Urgent; pressing; acute — adverb: 1. (poetic) At once; immediately
14:48:22 <joepie91> .whois daycaredata.com
14:48:23 <botpie91> Domain 04daycaredata.com, registered on 042008-06-17T18:10:00 via 04eNom, Inc., expires on 042014-06-17T18:10:00, nameservers are 04dns1.name-services.com, dns2.name-services.com, dns3.name-services.com, dns4.name-services.com, dns5.name-services.com, contact e-mails are 04jlhughes@ucsd.edu
14:48:39 <joepie91> .whois daycare.io
14:48:40 <botpie91> Domain 04daycare.io, registered on 042013-05-10T00:00:00 via 04unknown registrar, expires on 04unknown, nameservers are 04b.dns.gandi.net, c.dns.gandi.net, a.dns.gandi.net, contact e-mails are 04c516aa31ba59e498d8e9bec03c95d863-1715167@contact.gandi.net
14:53:06 <MK_FG> joepie91, I have ipv6 via he.net tunnel or openvpn/ssh proxies, no isps give these at home here yet afaik
14:53:34 <joepie91> MK_FG: aha
15:04:03 <iceTwy> too bad Macbeth isn't here
15:42:11 <joepie91> .ud iirc
15:42:14 <joepie91> no?
15:51:13 <Zoned> joepie91 hai
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16:06:16 <DrWhat> hmmm
16:06:23 <DrWhat> Why is vmware open on my server
16:06:32 <DrWhat> install windows server 2008 r2 sp1
16:06:44 <DrWhat> joepie91 is it you!
16:07:35 <Zoned> LEB is amusing me.
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16:12:06 <DrWhat> whos that
16:33:39 <iceTwy> 2there we go.
16:33:41 <iceTwy> http://blog.icetwy.re/setting-up-an-irc-server/
16:34:04 <DrWhat> I just saw inside twitters lead development offices
16:39:09 <DrWhat> Anyone else seen twitters offices
16:52:20 <iceTwy> http://cryptome.org/2013/10/26-years-snowden.htm
16:52:24 <iceTwy> .title
16:52:25 <botpie91> iceTwy: 26 Years to Release Snowden Docs by The Guardian
17:01:06 <Zoned> oh no...
17:01:14 <Zoned> this is why I shouldn't scan ramhost again..
17:01:44 <joepie91> botpie91, tell Macbeth to read <iceTwy>http://blog.icetwy.re/setting-up-an-irc-server/
17:01:45 <botpie91> joepie91: I'll pass that on when Macbeth is around.
17:01:49 <joepie91> Zoned:
17:01:50 <joepie91> rules
17:02:00 <Zoned> yeah yeah
17:02:03 <Zoned> sorry
17:08:35 <iceTwy> thanks joepie91 <3
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17:10:43 <tani> hey guys! wanted to say thanks to the guy/s who made the putlocker-vlc plugin
17:10:48 <tani> really awesome:)
17:11:46 <iceTwy> wouldn't that be joepie91? ;p
17:12:04 <joepie91> ah, that'd be me, yes
17:12:08 <joepie91> didn't expect people to actually use it
17:12:08 <joepie91> :P
17:12:13 <tani> i made a small change to get it working though: the '&' has to be replaced with '&'
17:12:26 <joepie91> ah, where in the code is that?
17:12:27 <joepie91> so I can fix it
17:12:45 <tani> i just added a re.sub to the final variable
17:12:53 <joepie91> ah, I see
17:13:03 <joepie91> do you happen to have an example putlocker URL handy? saves me some searching
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17:13:48 <joepie91> hm
17:13:54 <joepie91> also, wut, I don't seem to have it in any repo
17:13:56 <joepie91> just on a wiki page
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17:16:23 <tani1> whoops.
17:16:54 <joepie91> welcome back :P
17:17:00 <tani1> thanks.
17:17:03 <joepie91> last thing I said before you left: <joepie91>do you happen to have an example putlocker URL handy? saves me some searching
17:17:10 <joepie91> and are you using the Linux or the Windows version?
17:17:18 <tani1> i'm using the linux version
17:17:33 <tani1> uhm, let's see
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17:17:38 <tani1> video_file = re.sub('&','&',matches.group(1))
17:17:47 <Zoned> ColoCrossing uses IIS 7
17:17:48 <Zoned> :fp:
17:17:51 <tani1> though that's not what you asked for :P
17:18:03 <joepie91> nah, I meant a working putlocker URL :P
17:18:12 <joepie91> so I can test
17:18:33 <tani1> http://www.putlocker.com/file/752522976469E3B8
17:18:55 <tani1> oh well. i guess you meant the processed url?
17:19:08 <joepie91> nah, that's the right one
17:19:14 <joepie91> oddly, the un-fixed version works here
17:19:19 <joepie91> perhaps it depends on the VLC version
17:19:27 <tani1> that may be it
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17:19:56 <joepie91> both work here
17:20:02 <joepie91> either way, I assume you found it on the wiki?
17:20:06 <joepie91> because I just realized it doesn't seem to be in any of my repos
17:20:08 <tani1> yes, i did
17:20:53 <tani1> now with the script, i'm able to add subs to streams.. which is heaven :)
17:21:24 <joepie91> ah yes :)
17:21:37 <joepie91> that's a usecase I didn't even think of, actually
17:21:45 <joepie91> also, new version is here: https://github.com/joepie91/main/blob/master/tools/downloading/putlocker-vlc.py
17:21:50 <joepie91> I'll need to update the wiki some time soon
17:22:02 <joepie91> you may also be interested in https://github.com/joepie91/main/blob/master/tools/downloading/resolv_vlc.py
17:22:03 <Zoned> joepie91, got a second? hop into #zoned
17:22:06 <Zoned> i got something to tell u
17:22:09 <joepie91> which does a few other video sites also
17:22:17 <tani1> oh, nice.
17:22:20 <joepie91> uses resolv (you'll need to pip install resolv) which I also write
17:22:22 <joepie91> wrote *
17:22:23 <Zoned> or msg me on xmpp
17:22:38 <joepie91> supports these: https://github.com/joepie91/resolv/tree/master/resolv/resolvers
17:22:44 <joepie91> except youtube is probably broken again
17:23:06 <joepie91> the rest should work
17:23:39 <tani1> are you able to resolve streamcloud?
17:23:56 <joepie91> not familiar with it
17:23:56 <tani1> because it seems there's always better quality on streamcloud
17:24:05 <joepie91> I could probably write a module for it some time soon if you can provide me an example URL
17:24:13 <joepie91> preferably a few, but one also works
17:24:26 <tani1> i'll just try myself
17:24:32 <tani1> no hassle
17:24:33 <joepie91> alright :P
17:24:46 <joepie91> also, I completely forgot this
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17:25:05 <joepie91> hi, welcome to #crytocc, this is a publicly logged channel, please be sure to read the channel rules
17:25:12 <joepie91> you can prefix things with [off] to keep them out of the logs
17:25:18 <joepie91> or I can remove them afterwards but that's a bit of a pain
17:25:20 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
17:25:20 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-10-06#T17-25-20
17:25:21 <joepie91> :P
17:25:28 <complex> hm, now i think i got the SSL-connection to work
17:25:31 <joepie91> (that's my usual introduction but I seem to have forgotten it here...)
17:25:50 <complex> it was +6697 that was ssl, right?
17:25:54 <joepie91> complex: yes
17:26:14 <iceTwy> joepie91: what's the IP obfuscation module in UnrealIRCd?
17:26:16 <iceTwy> it's pretty amazing
17:26:18 <joepie91> iceTwy: custom
17:26:19 <tani1> alright, thanks for the warm welcome :D
17:26:23 <iceTwy> joepie91: ooh
17:26:31 <joepie91> iceTwy: though the .users.cryto is atheme, not unreal
17:26:37 <joepie91> but the standard unrealircd obfuscation is entirely custom
17:26:37 <iceTwy> yeah
17:26:41 <joepie91> based on those values you configure
17:26:41 <iceTwy> noice
17:26:44 <joepie91> tani1: you're welcome - literally :)
17:26:58 <joepie91> and mostly I want to make sure that people are aware that it's publicly logged here
17:26:59 <iceTwy> unfortunately, Charybdis devs have decided not implement strong crypto for IP obfuscation
17:27:01 <joepie91> as that's somewhat unusual for IRC channels
17:27:06 <iceTwy> https://github.com/atheme/atheme/issues/4
17:27:08 <iceTwy> .title
17:27:10 <botpie91> iceTwy: Fix memoserv/sendall only sending the first word of the memo by dwfreed · Pull Request #4 · atheme/atheme · GitHub
17:27:13 <iceTwy> er
17:27:15 <iceTwy> no
17:27:43 <joepie91> see, iceTwy, there's a reason I use unrealIRCd.. it's not great, but everything works "well enough"
17:27:46 <iceTwy> https://github.com/atheme/charybdis/issues/4
17:27:48 <joepie91> until I get around to setting up my own stuff
17:27:56 <joepie91> :P
17:27:58 <iceTwy> hey
17:28:03 <joepie91> .title
17:28:03 <iceTwy> Charybdis is terrific ;)
17:28:04 <botpie91> joepie91: Host cloaking could be better · Issue #4 · atheme/charybdis · GitHub
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17:28:08 <joepie91> yeah, I've read that issue I think
17:28:10 <iceTwy> I won't bash it because of one single module
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17:28:23 <joepie91> ah, a real client :)
17:31:31 <joepie91> anyway
17:31:43 <joepie91> I had one of the most annoying bugs ever, earlier today
17:31:47 <joepie91> in my JS
17:32:03 <joepie91> turns out that if you use the jQuery plugin syntax
17:32:08 <joepie91> you can't put function definitions before it
17:32:12 <joepie91> without everything breaking
17:32:17 <joepie91> because of parsing ambiguity
17:32:25 <joepie91> had to prefix the jquery plugin bit with a semicolon :|
17:32:41 <iceTwy> huh oh
17:32:54 <joepie91> end result: http://owely.com/2udUVh
17:32:57 <joepie91> note that semicolon
17:33:17 <joepie91> it thought the } of _updateItems and the ( of the jquery definition belonged together, it appears
17:33:27 <Zoned> 0bin
17:33:28 <Zoned> whereru
17:33:30 <Zoned> lol
17:33:33 <joepie91> so whatever was the last function definition before the jquery bit
17:33:34 <joepie91> just vanished
17:33:39 <joepie91> it just never defined
17:33:45 <joepie91> incredibly frustrating bug
17:34:38 <joepie91> oh, btw
17:34:42 <joepie91> iceTwy, not sure if you got the memo
17:34:46 <joepie91> but 0bin is actually 128-bit
17:34:47 <joepie91> not 256
17:34:49 <joepie91> same for zerobin
17:34:54 <joepie91> (the AES)
17:35:04 <joepie91> MK_FG pointed me at that a few days ago..
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17:45:10 <Cryto583> hello!
17:46:25 <Cryto583> rules = no Anonymous. Whats up with that?
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17:47:41 <Zoned> oh my god
17:48:25 <Cryto729> ?
17:48:47 <Zoned> oh nothing
17:49:03 <Cryto729> what is this?
17:50:28 <Cryto729> I dont remember what I clicked to get here lol
17:51:49 <tani_> you're connected to the cryto IRC network via webchat
17:52:32 <Cryto729> Is like good meds or bad ones? lol
17:53:02 <tani_> whatever you make of it ;) however, irc is quite great indeed
17:53:48 <Cryto729> its a chat room?
17:54:13 <tani_> a chat room on steroids, yes.
17:54:32 <Cryto729> lol havent been on one in a long time
17:55:08 <tani_> welcome then ;D
17:55:27 <Cryto729> lol thanks
17:55:40 <Cryto729> so, whats the latest and greatest news right now?
17:56:26 <iceTwy> joepie91: oh is it?
17:56:27 <iceTwy> :s
17:57:10 <Cryto729> that dosent have hashtag in it lol
17:57:47 <Cryto729> well my computer time expired for today - peace :)
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17:59:22 <joepie91> right
17:59:26 <joepie91> I'm just going to go out on a limb
17:59:33 <joepie91> and guess that he somehow ended up here from anonnews
17:59:39 <joepie91> and didn't realize that this is #crytocc, not #anonnews
18:00:00 <joepie91> iceTwy: yup
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18:13:53 <macbeth> Hello
18:13:54 <botpie91> macbeth: 17:01Z <joepie91> tell macbeth to read <iceTwy>http://blog.icetwy.re/setting-up-an-irc-server/
18:14:29 <macbeth> botpie91, tell iceTwy macbeth says thank you for the link to the IRC doc
18:14:29 <botpie91> macbeth: I'll pass that on when iceTwy is around.
18:14:37 <macbeth> botpie91, tell joepie91 macbeth says thank you for the link to the IRC doc
18:14:37 <botpie91> macbeth: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around.
18:14:42 <joepie91> :P
18:14:43 <botpie91> joepie91: 18:14Z <macbeth> tell joepie91 macbeth says thank you for the link to the IRC doc
18:14:47 <macbeth> He he
18:14:59 <joepie91> all thanks go to iceTwy, just passing on the message :)
18:15:15 <macbeth> Ha ha thanks
18:15:28 <macbeth> His name means nice try, right?
18:15:39 <joepie91> I have no idea what his name means actually
18:15:59 <macbeth> Ha ha alright
18:16:12 <macbeth> I listened to that podcast you send me
18:16:15 <macbeth> VERY good
18:16:19 <macbeth> I enjoyed it a lot
18:17:30 <joepie91> macbeth: which?
18:17:33 <joepie91> you mean the raid one?
18:17:52 <macbeth> Yes
18:18:05 <joepie91> well, wasn't a podcast :P
18:18:10 <joepie91> it's a recording of a talk I gave live
18:18:11 <joepie91> at OHM2013
18:18:19 <joepie91> some 100-150 people there
18:18:20 <macbeth> Oh, thanks
18:18:20 <macbeth> Do you know what you did yet?
18:18:31 <joepie91> heh, that question is almost funny
18:18:48 <joepie91> but yes, I know what the case is about, I just can't really say anything about it yet
18:18:48 <macbeth> Well what you are witness of?
18:18:57 <macbeth> Oh, I understand
18:23:42 <macbeth> joepie91, guest1974 has been a pest in #anonnews for so long. Can you do something about it pls?
18:27:38 <joepie91> #anonnews is effectively unmoderated
18:27:45 <joepie91> also
18:27:46 <joepie91> <FadeToBlack>Is everyone not looking at the IRC?
18:27:46 <joepie91> <FadeToBlack>That means the super-admin is not really doing it's job then....
18:27:46 <joepie91> lol
18:28:02 <joepie91> apparently my job is to look at IRC all day
18:28:21 <macbeth> Ha ha ah
18:28:48 <macbeth> btw, did you look at twy's blog post?
18:29:01 <macbeth> How good is that doc on IRC do you think?
18:31:42 <joepie91> haven't read it
18:32:02 <macbeth> Oh, alright
18:32:16 <complex> joepie91: do you mind giving me your speech at ohm?
18:32:32 <joepie91> complex: https://archive.org/details/OHM2013-Partyvan
18:32:56 <joepie91> also, complex, do I know you under another nick?
18:32:56 <joepie91> "[
18:32:56 <joepie91> :P *
18:33:37 <complex> joepie91: no, im new here :)
18:33:46 <joepie91> ah, I see, hai :)
18:33:58 <joepie91> you sound vaguely familiar but that may just be a coincidence
18:34:09 <joepie91> (or my tired brain going derp)
18:34:20 <macbeth> complex: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz
18:34:25 <macbeth> Welcome
18:34:34 <joepie91> heh
18:34:54 <joepie91> I think complex might've been here when I welcomed tani_
18:35:11 <macbeth> Oh, alright
18:35:12 <joepie91> yup, entered just before that
18:35:13 <joepie91> :P
18:35:15 <macbeth> Just making sure
18:35:18 <complex> thanks, i joined because i want to know some programming community better
18:35:18 <joepie91> by coincidence, but still
18:35:27 <macbeth> It's important that ppl know that this is a publically logged channel is all
18:35:29 <complex> im not that into programming, but im eager to leanr you know
18:35:35 <joepie91> complex: good reason to join :D
18:35:39 <macbeth> codecademy.com
18:35:44 <macbeth> Epic site to start
18:39:02 <complex> yeah i've tried it
18:39:17 <macbeth> Something wrong with it?
18:40:26 <complex> no, i just got stuck after a while when my creativity was challenged. i think i prefer to read the stuff in a book before i do it
18:40:42 <DrWhat> i FORGOT MY LOGIN TO MY NETWORK SWITCH
18:40:44 <macbeth> I can understand that
18:40:53 <macbeth> DrWhat: I know what you're going through
18:40:54 <DrWhat> joepie91; TELL ME THE LOGIN TO MY SWITCH
18:41:08 <DrWhat> FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS
18:42:46 <DrWhat> MACBETH HALP ME
18:42:58 <macbeth> So sorry
18:43:01 <macbeth> Nothing I can do
18:43:03 <DrWhat> Also
18:43:08 <DrWhat> macbeth is a name
18:43:12 <DrWhat> CAPITALIZE YOU M
18:43:20 <joepie91> DrWhat: I'm not your keepass
18:43:21 <joepie91> :P
18:43:23 <DrWhat> YOU BUM BOY
18:43:29 <joepie91> and cool down
18:43:29 <joepie91> lol
18:43:35 * macbeth is away:
18:43:53 * DrWhat is aw a y "becuase i want to" L o g: on P a ger: off
18:44:03 <joepie91> asdfasdfasdfasdfasdgasdfasd
18:44:05 <joepie91> no
18:44:06 <joepie91> bad
18:44:12 * DrWhat is b a ck [19s]
18:44:12 <DrWhat> :p
18:44:22 <joepie91> macbeth, DrWhat: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
18:44:34 <DrWhat> Give me the login to my network switch then!!!
18:45:15 <DrWhat> Ohh
18:45:16 * joepie91 considers adding a spamfilter on 'is away'
18:45:20 <DrWhat> that an idea
18:45:24 <DrWhat> auto-away
18:45:32 * DrWhat goes to tinker with settings
18:45:34 <joepie91> DrWhat: then you're really auto away
18:45:35 <joepie91> so to say
18:45:36 <joepie91> ;)
18:46:24 <DrWhat> http://prntscr.com/1vodz7
18:46:25 <DrWhat> :)
18:46:54 <joepie91> DrWhat: what the hell did you do to your window styles ._.
18:47:05 * joepie91 twitches
18:47:13 <DrWhat> http://prntscr.com/1voe7h
18:47:14 <DrWhat> Do you like it
18:47:44 <DrWhat> ^__^
18:48:18 <joepie91> not... really... no... ._.
18:48:24 <joepie91> I would go insane
18:48:29 <DrWhat> :(
18:48:29 <joepie91> with a design like that
18:48:45 <joepie91> so many things
18:48:47 <joepie91> and things
18:48:49 <joepie91> and other things
18:48:51 <joepie91> and glows
18:48:52 <joepie91> and fades
18:48:54 <joepie91> and shadows
18:48:56 <joepie91> and gradients
18:48:58 <DrWhat> I made the windows desktop run on php/html
18:49:00 <DrWhat> :)
18:49:15 <DrWhat> so i can make it how ever i wan
18:49:15 <DrWhat> so i can make it how ever i want
18:49:23 <DrWhat> damn this isnt skype
18:49:25 * joepie91 raises eyebrow
18:49:28 <DrWhat> so i cant just ^ edit
18:49:29 <joepie91> indeed it isn't
18:49:29 <DrWhat> :*
18:49:44 <macbeth> holy shit that looks awful
18:49:45 <joepie91> skype for linux lets you s/old/new/
18:49:58 <joepie91> lol
18:50:01 <DrWhat> skype for linux is vulnable
18:50:03 <joepie91> glad to know I'm not alone
18:50:09 <DrWhat> you can send javascript
18:50:11 <joepie91> DrWhat: you can leave out the "for linux" bit
18:50:17 <joepie91> both are full of XSS vulns
18:50:20 <DrWhat> nope
18:50:23 <joepie91> yes
18:50:24 <DrWhat> removed out of windows
18:50:28 <joepie91> "removed"
18:50:30 <joepie91> until the next is found
18:50:34 <joepie91> like the last 5 timse
18:50:35 <joepie91> times *
18:50:37 <DrWhat> except
18:50:40 <tani_> hooray for closed source.
18:50:40 <DrWhat> the linux once
18:50:43 <DrWhat> one*
18:50:49 <DrWhat> support full html/javascript
18:50:51 <joepie91> tani_: :(
18:50:57 <joepie91> DrWhat: so does the Windows client
18:50:58 <tani_> ;/
18:50:59 <joepie91> yes, really
18:51:01 <DrWhat> does
18:51:02 <DrWhat> not
18:51:07 <tani_> i'm glad i dont need skype
18:51:11 <joepie91> DrWhat: read up on recent security history of Skype for Windows
18:51:21 <joepie91> tani_: the problem is that there's not really a sane alternative for Skype
18:51:25 <joepie91> like
18:51:33 <joepie91> audio/video over XMPP almost never works
18:51:36 <DrWhat> http://prntscr.com/1vofgy
18:51:36 <joepie91> for unspecified reasons
18:51:41 <joepie91> and Jitsi is just... buggy, crappy
18:51:44 <joepie91> and doesn't work half of the time
18:51:49 <joepie91> not to mention it has insane resource usage
18:51:57 <joepie91> and that pretty much exhausts all open-source options
18:52:16 <DrWhat> you could use a contactless sollution line teamspeak but theirs no video
18:52:22 <joepie91> DrWhat: k, now send that to me on Linux
18:52:22 <DrWhat> or you can use google voice
18:52:26 <joepie91> and I'll make a screenshot
18:52:31 <joepie91> teamspeak is not open-source
18:52:34 <joepie91> nor is google voice or hangouts
18:52:37 <tani_> years ago i heard of a team that reverse engineered skype
18:52:40 <joepie91> mumble does audio but not video
18:52:49 <tani_> wonder what happened
18:52:54 <joepie91> tani_: http://skype-open-source.blogspot.nl/
18:52:57 <DrWhat> joepie91 it wont work
18:53:07 <DrWhat> but windows version sends the encoded tags
18:53:10 <DrWhat> so you weill see the tags
18:53:39 <DrWhat> but if i was using a lower version that doesnt encode the tags
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18:53:44 <DrWhat> you would see a html output
18:53:47 <joepie91> I know
18:53:51 <joepie91> anyway
18:53:55 <joepie91> Skype is overall a ball of fail
18:53:58 <DrWhat> but i cant be assed reinstalled skype
18:53:59 <joepie91> there's just no real alternative yet
18:54:06 <joepie91> webRTC is interesting
18:54:15 <joepie91> but haven't seen any good practical secure implementations of it yet
18:54:17 <DrWhat> msn got shutdown becuase skype is more popular
18:55:32 <DrWhat> their was one
18:55:37 <DrWhat> I saw a few months ago
18:55:41 <joepie91> DrWhat: Tox, probably
18:55:44 <DrWhat> nope
18:56:04 <DrWhat> it was a youtube advertisment
18:56:07 <DrWhat> i clicked on it
18:56:10 <DrWhat> it looks intresting
18:56:18 <DrWhat> cant for the life of me remeber what it was called
18:56:23 <DrWhat> and i didnt install it
18:56:25 <joepie91> oovoo probably
18:56:33 <joepie91> which used to be okay
18:56:34 <DrWhat> doesnt ring a bell
18:56:37 <joepie91> but is fucking terrible nowadays
18:56:41 <joepie91> and it's probably closed-source if it was a youtube ad
18:57:09 <joepie91> there's another one
18:57:10 <joepie91> similar to oovoo
18:57:12 <joepie91> but I forgot its name
18:57:19 <joepie91> but noone really uses it, it's unstable
18:57:22 <joepie91> and also closed-source
18:57:47 <DrWhat> their is http://www.razerzone.com/comms
18:57:54 <DrWhat> i just found googling
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18:58:09 <DrWhat> windows only
18:58:24 <joepie91> windows, closed-source
18:58:33 <joepie91> no video chat it seems
18:58:38 <DrWhat> nope
18:58:44 <DrWhat> its like skype
18:58:49 <DrWhat> without video
18:58:53 <DrWhat> no mircrosoft
18:58:54 <joepie91> DrWhat: then just use mumble
18:58:55 <DrWhat> no nsa
18:59:02 <joepie91> http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
18:59:13 <DrWhat> i dont use razor comms
18:59:17 <DrWhat> nor mumble
18:59:18 <joepie91> mumble works much better than teamspeak and all that
18:59:25 <joepie91> on unreliable connections especially
19:01:14 <DrWhat> i cant find it :(
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19:12:42 <joepie91> this is a very good example of why I like opensuse
19:12:42 <joepie91> http://software.opensuse.org/package/brackets?search_term=brackets
19:12:50 <joepie91> first stable version isn't even out yet
19:12:54 <joepie91> but it's already in a repository
19:13:05 <joepie91> and it works
19:13:09 <joepie91> albeit with questionable font rendering
19:15:36 <iceTwy> joepie91: if vps.icetwy.re is a DNS A record pointing to my VPS' IP
19:15:37 <botpie91> iceTwy: 18:14Z <macbeth> tell iceTwy macbeth says thank you for the link to the IRC doc
19:15:44 <iceTwy> macbeth: np!
19:16:05 <iceTwy> joepie91: will other subdomains (i.e. irc.icetwy.re) depending on the VPS, have to be CNAME
19:16:07 <iceTwy> records
19:17:06 <mama> DrWhat: have you read the link i posted for you 2 days ago?
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19:21:31 <macbeth> lol
19:25:13 <joepie91> iceTwy: that's possible
19:25:19 <joepie91> and advisable
19:25:23 <joepie91> so that if your VPS IP changes
19:25:26 <joepie91> you can just change vps.
19:25:29 <joepie91> also
19:25:30 <joepie91> http://brackets.io/
19:26:50 <vld> ewww
19:26:50 <vld> adobe
19:32:50 <joepie91> yes, ew adobe
19:32:53 <joepie91> but that editor is pretty damn nice
19:34:24 <macbeth> macb37h@hushmail.com
19:34:46 <macbeth> Awwww... :( WHY U NO HANE HTML5?!
19:35:57 * macbeth is back (gone 00:52:21)
19:36:03 <macbeth> Aww, fuck Adobe
19:36:09 <macbeth> They are pro CISPA
19:36:15 <macbeth> & Apple
19:38:12 <joepie91> macbeth: the code above is open-source
19:40:14 <norbert79> mikaa: Hi, what's up?
19:40:35 <macbeth> hai
19:40:40 <joepie91> ohai norbert79!
19:42:57 <macbeth> XMPP: macbeth@dukgo.com
19:43:50 <macbeth> Yeah.
19:45:22 <macbeth> Just installed brackets
19:45:24 <macbeth> Nice UI
19:45:24 <norbert79> hello joepie91
19:53:47 <macbeth> Yeah, I guess you're right
19:53:55 <macbeth> It's a useless effort. They will just make another site
19:54:04 <macbeth> Also, it's no permanent damage...
19:54:44 *** macbeth is now known as [off]
19:54:47 <joepie91> lol
19:54:48 <joepie91> nice try
19:54:49 <[off]> BWA HA HA AH
19:54:50 <joepie91> that doesn't work
19:54:57 *** [off] is now known as macbeth
19:54:57 <joepie91> enjoy the highlights :)
19:55:01 <macbeth> lol
19:57:09 <macbeth> A shut down.
19:57:21 <macbeth> A shut down will ruin their rep, and decrease their popularity
19:59:52 <macbeth> * agress
19:59:54 <macbeth> ugh
19:59:57 <macbeth> * AGREE
20:00:17 <vld> joepie91: I love how it highlights stuff when you edit the CSS
20:00:32 <vld> joepie91: I actually might give this a try
20:00:37 <joepie91> vld: yeah, considering the same
20:00:43 <joepie91> did you notice that it has chrome integration?
20:00:48 <joepie91> it plugs into chromes remote debugging
20:00:53 <vld> joepie91: yus
20:00:55 <joepie91> and does auto-reload -while editing-
20:01:19 <macbeth> I;m also enjoying Brackets, joe
20:01:23 <macbeth> Very useful tool
20:02:09 <macbeth> joepie91: I like how it (brackets) auto adds the </> tag in. Saves a little time.
20:02:21 <joepie91> macbeth: most editors do that if you configure them to do so
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20:02:30 <macbeth> Yes, I know
20:02:50 <macbeth> schish, what's with NSA.gov@schism
20:03:08 <macbeth> joe, have you been on r/ladyboners
20:03:17 <macbeth> If you like gay porn that's for you
20:03:17 <schism> just having a laugh
20:03:20 <joepie91> macbeth: you don't seem to be very good at this [off] thing, haha
20:03:28 <macbeth> 0.0
20:03:29 <macbeth> oh shit
20:03:37 <joepie91> that's like the 5th time you leak in 10 minutes :P
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20:04:45 <vld> joepie91: I broke it :( do a <html> then just delete or ctrl+z
20:05:02 <vld> joepie91: inside the index.html for example
20:05:13 <joepie91> vld: meh
20:05:14 <joepie91> I found a few bugs
20:05:27 <joepie91> I broke the 'missing end tag' indicator in like less than 30 seconds
20:05:28 <joepie91> lol
20:05:40 <joepie91> there's a reason it doesn't have a stable release yet
20:05:44 <macbeth> What program do you use to edit opensource programs?
20:05:47 <macbeth> Like a text editor?
20:06:01 <joepie91> macbeth: for development in general, I normally use Geany
20:06:03 <joepie91> http://geany.org/
20:06:08 <joepie91> it's somewhere inbetween a text editor and an IDE
20:06:31 <joepie91> the only things I'm missing are more intelligent autocompletion, browser integration, and inline CSS editing
20:06:40 <joepie91> Brackets seems to do better at that, but I'll wait until it's more stable
20:06:51 <joepie91> other than that, Geany is by far my favourite editor
20:07:48 <macbeth> WOO HOO!
20:09:21 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
20:09:21 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-10-06#T20-09-21
20:09:23 <macbeth> just looking through some old docs of ppl that claim to have done it
20:09:37 <joepie91> I really don't understand why people are so obsessed with the guy
20:09:51 <joepie91> he's full of shit; write a post pointing out his bullshit and be done with it
20:09:54 <joepie91> he's just a troll
20:10:03 <joepie91> (and he really REALLY hates being criticized)
20:10:08 <macbeth> yes ye yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
20:10:14 <joepie91> I recall chasing him out of #anonops on irc2p once
20:10:14 <joepie91> lol
20:10:16 <macbeth> like a retarded 6 y/o
20:10:21 <joepie91> he parted the channel to escape the discussion
20:10:31 <macbeth> HA HA AH AH AHA HA HA AH
20:10:39 <joepie91> speaking of which
20:10:41 <macbeth> PLEASE tell me that you have a transscript
20:10:42 <joepie91> I should go to irc2p again
20:10:44 <macbeth> or a screen shot
20:10:45 <joepie91> macbeth: i don't
20:10:46 <macbeth> PLEASE!!
20:10:47 <joepie91> but I'm sure others do
20:10:49 <macbeth> D:
20:10:50 <joepie91> :)
20:10:59 <joepie91> a bunch of irc2p'ians will probably remember
20:14:05 <macbeth> I need i2p to get in, right?
20:17:00 <macbeth> joepie91, I need i2p to get in, right?
20:17:09 <joepie91> macbeth: yes
20:17:12 <macbeth> Thought so
20:17:17 <macbeth> I had it for a little while
20:17:18 <joepie91> it's a darknet :)
20:17:23 <macbeth> Was sorta useelss to me
20:17:42 <tani_> mhhh cookies
20:18:01 <macbeth> cookies taste like trackers
20:18:30 <macbeth> Once, my friend and I had our friend follow a link. We stole his cookie from him and loged into the admin panel of his website
20:18:42 <macbeth> I really wish I still had the code, I think he still does though
20:18:45 <macbeth> Anyway, it was awesome
20:19:33 <joepie91> once, I spammed anonyops.com with aborted baby pictures
20:19:38 <joepie91> because he didn't htmlspecialchars() correctly
20:19:40 <joepie91> lol
20:19:46 <tani_> :D
20:19:50 <joepie91> he never seems to have forgotten that lesson
20:19:50 <joepie91> :D
20:20:23 <macbeth> awesome
20:20:31 <macbeth> Are you pro-choice?
20:21:10 <macbeth> Are you pro-choice, joepie91?
20:21:21 <joepie91> pro what choice?
20:21:35 <macbeth> Pro-abortion?
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20:21:42 <crytocc730> fuck
20:21:50 <joepie91> crytocc730: also hello
20:21:59 <macbeth> Ha ha ha
20:22:00 <joepie91> macbeth: I am undecided as of yet
20:22:02 <macbeth> He left
20:22:07 <macbeth> joe, alright
20:22:19 <macbeth> I can understand that
20:22:36 <joepie91> the reason I am undecided is the same reason "pro choice" is a retarded term
20:22:39 <joepie91> pro whose choice?
20:22:44 <joepie91> the one carrying the baby? or the baby?
20:23:05 <joepie91> it makes no sense to call it "pro-choice" when you're inherently only giving one party a choice
20:23:36 <macbeth> I think that it's wrong because the baby has a pulse and looks like a 'person' and the baby has manorisms while in the womb that would be like a "person"
20:23:45 <tani_> there's a chance one party doesn't have a heartbeat and thus no choice
20:23:46 <joepie91> macbeth: it doesn't matter
20:23:52 <joepie91> also re: tani_
20:24:00 <joepie91> it's like a Christian calling himself pro-reality
20:24:09 <joepie91> yes, in _his_ view he's going to be right
20:24:10 <macbeth> And the babies also sometimes try to avoid the abortion needle which speaks for itself
20:24:15 <joepie91> can it objectively be called pro-reality? no
20:24:22 <joepie91> because it's simply unclear whether his view is correct or not
20:24:28 <macbeth> Yeah
20:24:47 <joepie91> similarly, you can't call it pro-choice because whether it's about 'choice' is completely dependent on your personal view
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20:24:49 <macbeth> I never flood myself with the beliefs of my orgenazations, but rather what I think it right.
20:24:53 <joepie91> so as an objective term it's nonsense
20:25:09 <joepie91> so call it either pro-abortion or anti-abortion and you have a reasonable objective term
20:25:19 <macbeth> Though I'm christian, I do NOT stand for many of the things that my Church stands for
20:25:21 <joepie91> hell, even pro-life would probably do
20:25:30 <macbeth> I reserve my opinions to reason, not to what a group says they should be
20:25:37 <joepie91> but "pro-choice" is a stupid term
20:25:43 <macbeth> i agree
20:25:54 <macbeth> funny that we're talking about different things @ once
20:26:02 <joepie91> macbeth: that's not uncommon in here :)
20:26:13 <macbeth> yes, yes
20:26:27 <macbeth> btw, I found a cool tutorial that I'm gonna be linking newbloods to
20:26:34 <joepie91> k, but remember the channel rules
20:26:35 <joepie91> :p
20:26:35 <macbeth> You can thank reddit r/security
20:26:42 <macbeth> I love reddit
20:26:47 <macbeth> I find so much awesome stuff on there
20:27:09 <macbeth> I like this link cos it's pretty much what I tell the newbloods. Now I can just link them to it
20:27:16 <macbeth> I wish there was a video tutorial through... lol
20:27:22 <macbeth> Anyone want a link?
20:27:26 <tani_> <
20:27:30 <macbeth> http://geekonin.com/how/free-secure-encrypted-messaging-software/
20:27:33 <joepie91> anyway, macbeth, tani_; I'm undecided on the issue of abortion exactly because it's unclear whether/when you can consider a baby to be a 'being'
20:27:34 <macbeth> Some cool stuff
20:27:40 <joepie91> and both sides have their arguments
20:27:45 <joepie91> and neither of the sides have convinced me as of yet
20:27:46 <macbeth> yeah
20:27:52 <joepie91> so I'm staying on the "I have no idea" thing
20:28:08 <macbeth> Well, not holind opinions is awesome too. That must be so blisss
20:28:11 <macbeth> * bliss
20:28:19 <tani_> so you wouldn't abort a being
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20:28:35 <joepie91> The reason that we are going to be using dukgo.com is because the site is owned and operated by DuckDuckGo, Inc, an anonymous search engine that doesnâ??t record IPs, doesnâ??t track [...]
20:28:37 <joepie91> this is bad
20:28:42 <macbeth> I wouldn't kill a person. Why fetus?
20:28:44 <joepie91> these kind of statements should not be in such tutorials
20:28:50 <macbeth> What?
20:28:52 <joepie91> also fuck sites that append rubbish after a copypaste
20:29:00 * joepie91 gives evil stare to geekonin
20:29:03 <macbeth> Eh, I didn't write it.
20:29:16 <joepie91> macbeth: I know, just pointing out that these kind of statements are exactly what screws people over
20:29:20 <joepie91> there should be a situation of zero trust
20:29:26 <joepie91> not "we use this provider because they promise blah blah blah"
20:29:37 <joepie91> promises is exactly what you SHOULDN'T be relying on
20:29:52 <macbeth> where does it say promise?
20:29:55 <tani_> alright, discarding link.. :P
20:29:56 <norbert79> This just made my evening: http://de2.eu.apcdn.com/full/108887.jpg - So true
20:30:04 <joepie91> macbeth: "promise" is implied
20:30:05 <joepie91> read the quote I gave
20:30:11 <joepie91> " an anonymous search engine that doesnâ??t record IPs, doesnâ??t track"
20:30:18 <joepie91> that is nothing more than a promise
20:30:19 <joepie91> that's it
20:30:25 <joepie91> there is no way to verify it
20:30:36 <joepie91> tani_: mm?
20:31:13 <joepie91> norbert79: hahaha
20:31:22 <joepie91> "Yeah, we understand there's a bit of a disconnect there..."
20:31:26 <macbeth> But I think that DDG is secure. It says that on the homepage, the post is just quoting them
20:31:35 <macbeth> that is an awesome link
20:31:37 <joepie91> macbeth: you didn't read what i said
20:31:38 <macbeth> thanks
20:31:40 <joepie91> again
20:31:46 <joepie91> what DDG says is a PROMISE./
20:31:52 <joepie91> it is not a technical certainty or guarantee
20:31:55 <joepie91> it cannot be independently verified
20:31:58 <joepie91> it's a promise and that's it
20:32:01 <joepie91> nothing more
20:32:03 <macbeth> yeah, I guess
20:32:38 <joepie91> so if you want to make your personal safety rely on the promises of a third party company whose operators you do not know personally, nor do you have any perspective of their possible motives or funding
20:32:40 <joepie91> then go ahead
20:32:43 <joepie91> but don't encourage others to do so
20:32:59 <macbeth> But it also covers OTR, which we all use and trush
20:33:01 <macbeth> * trust
20:33:14 <joepie91> macbeth: this should be ESPECIALLY obvious to anyone - especially to you - after the NSA revelations
20:33:18 <joepie91> companies lie
20:33:20 <joepie91> people lie
20:33:24 <macbeth> I know this.
20:33:27 <joepie91> trusting your security with a promise is completely fucking retarded
20:33:31 <joepie91> full stop
20:33:32 <macbeth> I know
20:33:39 <joepie91> doesn't matter whether it's Google, Microsoft, or DuckDuckGo
20:33:47 <joepie91> and yes, it mentions OTR
20:33:55 <joepie91> but it ALSO perpetuates the idea of a "trusted provider"
20:34:02 <joepie91> that one sentence is enough for people to start "trusting" DDG
20:34:03 <macbeth> Aiight
20:34:10 <joepie91> and not taking additional measures such as using TOR
20:34:16 <joepie91> to hide their IP from DDH
20:34:16 <joepie91> DDG *
20:34:20 <joepie91> because "they don't track anyway"
20:34:25 <macbeth> You're right
20:34:46 <macbeth> So you don't trust the onion router either?
20:34:56 <joepie91> the only way to get rid of this idea of trusting third parties with your safety, is to completely ignore/destroy/counter every single mention of it, no matter where it appears
20:35:03 <joepie91> macbeth: TOR is a technical measure that can be independently verified
20:35:07 <joepie91> it is based on zero trust
20:35:16 <joepie91> you don't trust TOR, you verify it
20:35:53 <joepie91> even if it's just a basic assessment
20:36:04 <macbeth> yeah, yes
20:36:06 <macbeth> You're right
20:36:11 <joepie91> "oh, there's 3-5 hops, there's this many nodes, that many exit nodes, the chance of a compromised connection with X tainted nodes is such and such percent"
20:37:37 <tani_> what about security and 'i have nothing to hide'
20:37:56 <joepie91> tani_: of course you have something to hide
20:38:01 <tani_> because part of me does think so, and the other can't find good arguments against it
20:38:06 <joepie91> alright
20:38:14 <joepie91> tani_: allow me to demonstrate
20:38:14 <joepie91> one moment
20:38:22 <tani_> sure
20:38:25 <joepie91> tani_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz8PdALdQDI&t=1m43s
20:38:26 <joepie91> watch from there
20:39:37 <joepie91> you should only need some 30 seconds of that video to understand that you do have something to hide :)
20:40:17 <macbeth> I am SO enjoying that video
20:40:20 <joepie91> and that's not even approaching the possibility of technical failure leading to serious problems - that is, mis-analysis of the data collected on you leading to ending up under stricter surveillance or even no-fly lists etc.
20:40:27 <joepie91> which has happened in the past
20:41:01 <joepie91> and if you want a REALLY scary perspective of what can be done with the data that the NSA and other agencies collect, watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f86VKjFSMJE from start to end
20:41:59 <joepie91> and for some more practical perspective; pre-WWII, the Dutch government had possibly the most efficient and accurate citizen administration in all of Europe
20:42:04 <joepie91> complete records on all citizens
20:42:09 <joepie91> religious affiliations, etc
20:42:28 <joepie91> when the nazis took over during WWII, they suddenly had a very useful register of all the jews
20:42:50 <tani_> alright, gonna watch the second one another time
20:43:11 <tani_> point made.
20:44:02 <complex> anyone knows how to write (at) and so on in hexchaat?
20:44:05 <complex> doenst work
20:46:24 <tani_> complex: http://hexchat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/tips.html#special-glyphs
20:47:46 <tani_> joepie91: still, i feel more safe on the internet - even without encryption. probably because i don't realize/don't think about being watched.
20:48:25 <tani_> i don't feel good when filmed in public either
20:48:44 <tani_> and hate that kind of surveillance
20:48:50 <iceTwy> gaaaaaaaaaaah
20:48:54 <iceTwy> fucking Apache/SELinux
20:49:19 <tani_> dawoop for arch linux ;D
20:50:08 <joepie91> tani_: the problem is indeed that it isn't obvious that you're monitored
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20:50:19 <joepie91> it feels like you're not
20:50:25 <joepie91> because there's nothing to physically remind you of it
20:50:51 <tani_> which is why less than 5% of (germans) see a problem at all
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20:55:25 <joepie91> whoop, got mouseover selection for my autocomplete working
20:55:30 <joepie91> it's almost done!
20:55:44 <macbeth> what is?
20:55:54 <joepie91> my autocomplete
20:55:54 <joepie91> :p
20:56:13 <macbeth> you're writing an autocomplete program?
20:56:14 <joepie91> macbeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No4mOAtLZDw&hd=1
20:56:23 <joepie91> the autocomplete that's used for the search box
20:56:27 <joepie91> and will be used for other fields also
20:56:47 <macbeth> cool
20:57:00 <joepie91> when that's done I can populate it with real data
20:57:04 <joepie91> and then I can actually use it
20:57:04 <joepie91> :P
20:57:34 <macbeth> awesome
20:57:36 <macbeth> thats come cool stuff
20:57:51 <joepie91> this is what my current data source looks like
20:58:00 <joepie91> obviously that needs to be changed to retrieve data from the database
20:58:09 <joepie91> rather than some hardcoded stuf
20:58:12 <joepie91> stuff *
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20:58:51 <tani_> eh, i didn't see your mouse moving.
20:59:02 <joepie91> tani_: keyboard control
20:59:05 <joepie91> that video is old
20:59:07 <joepie91> just shows the keyboard bit
20:59:14 <joepie91> I just got done implementing part of the mouse control :P
20:59:25 <joepie91> goal is to have a large part of the application be controllable by keyboard
20:59:35 <joepie91> for speed of use
20:59:39 <tani_> thumbs up to that
20:59:53 <joepie91> ctrl+F for example, will move windows out of the way if necessary to make the search box visible
20:59:58 <joepie91> and jumps your focus to the search box
21:00:09 <joepie91> ctrl+N will pop up a 'create node' window like the button does
21:00:12 <joepie91> of which a video can be found...
21:00:29 <joepie91> here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbALs5PNCcs&hd=1
21:00:44 <tani_> wish i could download all vim shortcuts into my brain :D
21:00:51 <joepie91> (that's pre-autocomplete)
21:01:01 <joepie91> heh
21:01:10 <joepie91> anyway, all of the above is kind of tricky
21:01:11 <joepie91> in a browser
21:01:21 <joepie91> most of the existing code for this kind of stuff is not suitable for my project
21:01:25 <joepie91> and/or runs too heavy
21:01:29 <joepie91> (yes, ExtJS, looking at you)
21:01:40 <joepie91> and/or isn't smooth enough in usage
21:01:45 <joepie91> so I'm basically writing all UI stuff from scratch
21:02:08 <joepie91> because there's still no really usable UI toolkits for web stuff
21:02:23 <macbeth> what operating system is that?
21:02:59 <joepie91> macbeth: openSUSE 12.3 + XFCE + DockbarX (using xfce4-dockbarx plugin)
21:03:02 <joepie91> with Greybird theme
21:03:17 <joepie91> however, everything within the browser window is custom
21:03:21 <joepie91> and is just HTML/CSS/JS
21:03:22 <joepie91> :p
21:03:24 <tani_> what will openNG be about?
21:03:26 <macbeth> cool
21:03:27 <joepie91> including the notifications
21:03:36 <joepie91> tani_: well, I just linked to Palantir, right?
21:03:37 <joepie91> the video about it
21:03:41 <tani_> yea
21:03:56 <joepie91> right now only governments and corporations with deep pockets have access to that kind of application
21:04:04 <joepie91> so I figured I might as well level the playing field
21:04:13 <joepie91> by writing an open-source application that does much of the same
21:04:26 <joepie91> (though significantly differently designed; better, imo)
21:04:51 <joepie91> and with collab features such as connecting multiple openNG instances together
21:04:52 <tani_> from palantir.com: About
21:04:55 <joepie91> so that they can share data
21:04:56 <tani_> We're here to help solve the world's hardest problems.
21:05:00 <tani_> alright then :D
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21:05:13 <joepie91> palantir is really mostly just a fancy node graph
21:05:19 <joepie91> with a mediocre but featureful UI
21:05:22 <joepie91> in front of it
21:05:27 <joepie91> and a lot of custtom dev
21:05:30 <joepie91> custom *
21:05:37 <joepie91> (which is what they're paying Palantir for)
21:05:48 <joepie91> so it's not hard to replicate conceptually
21:05:56 <joepie91> just the UI is tricky; I'm trying to make it as smooth as possible to use
21:06:00 <joepie91> so that it's accessible to everyone
21:06:03 <joepie91> a bit like wikipedia
21:06:10 <joepie91> except for intelligence/research stuff
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21:07:07 <tani_> wow, huge project
21:08:41 <joepie91> tani_: somewhat
21:08:54 <joepie91> the implementation is simple
21:08:55 <joepie91> the design is tricky
21:09:04 <joepie91> but I've spent the past 3 years or so on that
21:09:07 <joepie91> so I think that'll be fine :D
21:12:07 * macbeth is away:
21:12:10 <tani_> oh, definitely :D
21:12:30 <joepie91> I'm kind of wondering what Palantir will do actually
21:13:13 <joepie91> because A. this is licensed under the WTFPL B. Palantir is known to integrate open-source stuff into their own software and C. the UI of openNG is technically compatible with the Palantir model but significantly smoother than their own UI
21:25:34 <macbeth> tell me if you get this msg after ive left
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21:26:06 <macbeth> did it go through?
21:26:25 <tani_> ( 23:22 macbeth ) tell me if you get this msg after ive left
21:26:25 <tani_> ( 23:22 macbeth ) did it go through?
21:26:34 <macbeth> canu say tht again?
21:26:41 <tani_> i could
21:28:02 <macbeth> well if you wanted me to see it, then you are gonna have to
21:28:16 <tani_> i just wondered why, but alright
21:28:16 <tani_> ( 23:22 macbeth ) tell me if you get this msg after ive left
21:28:17 <tani_> ( 23:22 macbeth ) did it go through?
21:28:43 <tani_> and before:
21:28:44 <tani_> ( 23:08 * macbeth is away:
21:28:52 <macbeth> alright i guess it didn't down
21:28:59 <macbeth> /msg #crytocc test
21:29:06 <macbeth> you have to be in the chan for it to work i guess
21:29:10 <macbeth> be rihgt back
21:34:27 <joepie91> I'm preeeeeeetty sure this is a V8 bug
21:34:28 <joepie91> http://owely.com/413XfJ4
21:34:35 <joepie91> rapidly += 1 and -= 1
21:34:41 <joepie91> through mouse and keyboard events
21:34:47 <joepie91> and suddenly it starts treating it as a string in some cases
21:35:17 <joepie91> macbeth: external channel messages can't be done with the... +n mode I think
21:35:30 <joepie91> which is default on channel registration
21:55:55 <norbert79> ok, this is just lol: apt-get install nyancat-server
21:56:26 <norbert79> adds the VT220 based telnet stream to port 23
21:56:33 <norbert79> of the Nyan-Cat animation
22:07:20 <joepie91> haha what
22:07:27 <joepie91> inb4 there's a vuln in there
22:07:59 <tani_> meh.. i can't extract any direct file from streamcloud
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22:12:57 <tani_> oh wait, i already did but didn't notice.
22:13:13 <joepie91> heh
22:17:02 <joepie91> norbert79:
22:17:07 <joepie91> telnet arvel.cryto.net 23
22:17:07 <joepie91> :P
22:17:35 <tani_> and don't forget
22:17:35 <tani_> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
22:18:03 <tani_> wooho, nyaning :D
22:18:17 <tani_> alright, enough of that.
22:19:37 <norbert79> tani_: Blinkenlights offer more, than Starwars only :)
22:20:38 <tani_> oh, didn't know that :D
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22:46:48 <tani_> good night!
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23:12:58 <Macbeth> Hello
23:13:13 <Macbeth> hao
23:13:17 <Macbeth> * hai
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23:58:20 <joepie92> VICTORY! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0w8q-MnYZE&hd=1
23:58:29 <Zoned> joepie92
23:58:31 <Zoned> :L