Cryto! 6 October 2013

00:24:21 <DrWhat> lol its funny
00:24:24 <DrWhat> im on anonops
00:24:29 <DrWhat> making my self look vulntable
00:24:35 <DrWhat> Now they are trying to troll me
00:24:50 <DrWhat> and im giving them icecream and dropping it on the floor :D
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00:58:15 <DrWhat>
01:03:02 <DrWhat> jquery mobile is all over the news
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01:16:28 <iceTwy> alright
01:16:30 <iceTwy> going to sleep
01:16:32 <iceTwy> night
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01:41:04 <Zoned> sigh
01:58:23 <Zoned> trolling is so fun :)(
01:58:26 <Zoned> trolling is so fun :)*
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02:11:04 <Zoned> #tweetersanonymous
02:11:19 <Macbeth> iceTwy, I just understood what your nick means
02:11:24 <Macbeth> .title
02:11:25 <botpie91> Macbeth: Twitter IPO fervour sends bankrupt Tweeter's stocks 1,400 per cent up
02:11:34 <Macbeth> Ha ha ha
02:11:44 <Macbeth> I've got a link for you:
02:11:51 <Zoned> :)
02:12:08 <Macbeth> this may take a minute
02:12:14 <Macbeth> my internet is being retarded
02:12:19 <Zoned> tor isn't down you fuckhead
02:12:33 <Macbeth> Well aren't you an awesome guy
02:12:49 <Macbeth>
02:13:24 <Zoned> don't mean shit
02:13:29 <Zoned> tor is prob. under a ddos again
02:13:46 <Macbeth> Well that's much better
02:13:57 <Macbeth> The servers are having trouble.
02:14:03 <Macbeth> So I;m not doing much with it
02:17:22 <Zoned> lol
02:17:35 <Macbeth> laugh it up
02:17:45 <Macbeth> not sure what your problem with people is
02:17:58 <Zoned> im just laughing at this kid
02:18:08 <Zoned> "I have 39k slaves on my botnet"
02:18:10 <Macbeth> Yeah...
02:18:12 <Zoned> [....]
02:18:16 <Zoned> "but only 10 are on right now"
02:18:18 <Zoned> lololol
02:18:22 <Macbeth> lulz
02:18:31 <Macbeth> That guy is awesome
02:18:32 <Zoned> so the correct phrase is
02:18:38 <Zoned> "I HAD 39k slaves on my botnet"
02:18:54 <Zoned> lolol premiumvm up for sale again
02:18:56 <Macbeth> "I never did. I'm a lying phag."
02:18:57 <Zoned> lmfao
02:19:15 <Zoned> I can see his next business
02:19:17 <Zoned> "Wewontsell VM"
02:19:27 <Macbeth> LOL
02:19:34 <Zoned> Promises: 100% downtime, no refunds.
02:20:10 <Macbeth> ha ha ha
02:20:31 <Zoned> :D
02:20:37 <Zoned> im working on my tor host atm
02:20:48 <Zoned> cheap as fuck tor host coming soon
02:21:07 <Zoned> Dual 10gbit ports into the back of a dedicated server offshore in a undisclosed location
02:21:28 <Zoned> $35/mo for one site.
02:21:37 <Zoned> (0.3btc)
02:21:42 <Macbeth> gotta jump
02:21:44 <Macbeth> see you later
02:21:46 * Macbeth is away:
02:21:59 <Zoned> lol kcya
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03:37:11 <Macbeth> iceTwy, I just understood what your nick means
03:38:01 <DrWhat> what does it mean
03:38:12 <Macbeth> ice=nice
03:38:15 <Macbeth> Twy=try
03:38:18 <Macbeth> nice try
03:38:40 <Macbeth> gotta go
03:38:43 <Macbeth> gotta ru
03:38:50 <Macbeth> gotta run
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06:01:00 <tommykaine> eh eh
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08:17:50 <AnonO_o> hai
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08:22:52 <Cryto983> Salve, che fine ha fatto cipolla2?
08:25:38 <Cryto983> Qualcuno mi sa dare informazioni ? Avevo dei contatti importanti e non so come fare per leggere i messaggi privati, nè come rintracciare i miei contatti.
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08:33:44 <Cryto983> Ha un altro indirizzo?C'era scritto, sabato che stavano lavorando sul server.
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09:45:20 <joepie91> MK_FG; did you have IPv6 at home?
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09:54:24 <AnonO_o> mm ipv6
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10:56:15 <iceTwy> hola
10:57:00 <iceTwy> heh, too bad Macbeth isn't here
10:57:14 <iceTwy> I'm halfway through with my blog post about setting up an IRC server
11:00:21 <joepie91> iceTwy: hai
11:00:28 <joepie91> ex em pee pee!
11:00:35 <iceTwy> er yeah
11:00:37 <iceTwy> sec
11:00:39 <iceTwy> pasting something
11:00:41 <joepie91> :P
11:00:45 <joepie91> alright
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12:15:10 <joepie91>
12:15:11 <joepie91> urgh
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12:19:18 <Zoned> hai
12:20:17 <joepie91> whyyyy did this have to be built on top of SSL
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12:24:58 <joepie91> .title
12:24:59 <botpie91> joepie91: If you wanna buy a beer in Berlin, bring your bitcoins | Public Radio International
12:25:25 <kenical> hi > all
12:30:46 <iceTwy> hey there, kenical
12:31:37 <kenical> hi, before I have to say is my engish is vert tiny, sry bouthat.
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13:07:36 <Zoned> joepie91, know any good graphing solution for php?
13:15:15 <joepie91> Zoned:
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13:26:31 <Zoned> k thanks
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14:42:18 <joepie91> .w instant
14:42:19 <botpie91> instant — noun: 1. A very short period of time; a moment, 2. A single, usually precise, point in time — adjective: 1. Impending; imminent, 2. Urgent; pressing; acute — adverb: 1. (poetic) At once; immediately
14:48:22 <joepie91> .whois
14:48:23 <botpie91> Domain, registered on 042008-06-17T18:10:00 via 04eNom, Inc., expires on 042014-06-17T18:10:00, nameservers are,,,,, contact e-mails are
14:48:39 <joepie91> .whois
14:48:40 <botpie91> Domain, registered on 042013-05-10T00:00:00 via 04unknown registrar, expires on 04unknown, nameservers are,,, contact e-mails are
14:53:06 <MK_FG> joepie91, I have ipv6 via tunnel or openvpn/ssh proxies, no isps give these at home here yet afaik
14:53:34 <joepie91> MK_FG: aha
15:04:03 <iceTwy> too bad Macbeth isn't here
15:42:11 <joepie91> .ud iirc
15:42:14 <joepie91> no?
15:51:13 <Zoned> joepie91 hai
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16:06:16 <DrWhat> hmmm
16:06:23 <DrWhat> Why is vmware open on my server
16:06:32 <DrWhat> install windows server 2008 r2 sp1
16:06:44 <DrWhat> joepie91 is it you!
16:07:35 <Zoned> LEB is amusing me.
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16:12:06 <DrWhat> whos that
16:33:39 <iceTwy> 2there we go.
16:33:41 <iceTwy>
16:34:04 <DrWhat> I just saw inside twitters lead development offices
16:39:09 <DrWhat> Anyone else seen twitters offices
16:52:20 <iceTwy>
16:52:24 <iceTwy> .title
16:52:25 <botpie91> iceTwy: 26 Years to Release Snowden Docs by The Guardian
17:01:06 <Zoned> oh no...
17:01:14 <Zoned> this is why I shouldn't scan ramhost again..
17:01:44 <joepie91> botpie91, tell Macbeth to read <iceTwy>
17:01:45 <botpie91> joepie91: I'll pass that on when Macbeth is around.
17:01:49 <joepie91> Zoned:
17:01:50 <joepie91> rules
17:02:00 <Zoned> yeah yeah
17:02:03 <Zoned> sorry
17:08:35 <iceTwy> thanks joepie91 <3
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17:10:43 <tani> hey guys! wanted to say thanks to the guy/s who made the putlocker-vlc plugin
17:10:48 <tani> really awesome:)
17:11:46 <iceTwy> wouldn't that be joepie91? ;p
17:12:04 <joepie91> ah, that'd be me, yes
17:12:08 <joepie91> didn't expect people to actually use it
17:12:08 <joepie91> :P
17:12:13 <tani> i made a small change to get it working though: the '&amp;' has to be replaced with '&'
17:12:26 <joepie91> ah, where in the code is that?
17:12:27 <joepie91> so I can fix it
17:12:45 <tani> i just added a re.sub to the final variable
17:12:53 <joepie91> ah, I see
17:13:03 <joepie91> do you happen to have an example putlocker URL handy? saves me some searching
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17:13:48 <joepie91> hm
17:13:54 <joepie91> also, wut, I don't seem to have it in any repo
17:13:56 <joepie91> just on a wiki page
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17:16:23 <tani1> whoops.
17:16:54 <joepie91> welcome back :P
17:17:00 <tani1> thanks.
17:17:03 <joepie91> last thing I said before you left: <joepie91>do you happen to have an example putlocker URL handy? saves me some searching
17:17:10 <joepie91> and are you using the Linux or the Windows version?
17:17:18 <tani1> i'm using the linux version
17:17:33 <tani1> uhm, let's see
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17:17:38 <tani1> video_file = re.sub('&amp;','&',
17:17:47 <Zoned> ColoCrossing uses IIS 7
17:17:48 <Zoned> :fp:
17:17:51 <tani1> though that's not what you asked for :P
17:18:03 <joepie91> nah, I meant a working putlocker URL :P
17:18:12 <joepie91> so I can test
17:18:33 <tani1>
17:18:55 <tani1> oh well. i guess you meant the processed url?
17:19:08 <joepie91> nah, that's the right one
17:19:14 <joepie91> oddly, the un-fixed version works here
17:19:19 <joepie91> perhaps it depends on the VLC version
17:19:27 <tani1> that may be it
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17:19:56 <joepie91> both work here
17:20:02 <joepie91> either way, I assume you found it on the wiki?
17:20:06 <joepie91> because I just realized it doesn't seem to be in any of my repos
17:20:08 <tani1> yes, i did
17:20:53 <tani1> now with the script, i'm able to add subs to streams.. which is heaven :)
17:21:24 <joepie91> ah yes :)
17:21:37 <joepie91> that's a usecase I didn't even think of, actually
17:21:45 <joepie91> also, new version is here:
17:21:50 <joepie91> I'll need to update the wiki some time soon
17:22:02 <joepie91> you may also be interested in
17:22:03 <Zoned> joepie91, got a second? hop into #zoned
17:22:06 <Zoned> i got something to tell u
17:22:09 <joepie91> which does a few other video sites also
17:22:17 <tani1> oh, nice.
17:22:20 <joepie91> uses resolv (you'll need to pip install resolv) which I also write
17:22:22 <joepie91> wrote *
17:22:23 <Zoned> or msg me on xmpp
17:22:38 <joepie91> supports these:
17:22:44 <joepie91> except youtube is probably broken again
17:23:06 <joepie91> the rest should work
17:23:39 <tani1> are you able to resolve streamcloud?
17:23:56 <joepie91> not familiar with it
17:23:56 <tani1> because it seems there's always better quality on streamcloud
17:24:05 <joepie91> I could probably write a module for it some time soon if you can provide me an example URL
17:24:13 <joepie91> preferably a few, but one also works
17:24:26 <tani1> i'll just try myself
17:24:32 <tani1> no hassle
17:24:33 <joepie91> alright :P
17:24:46 <joepie91> also, I completely forgot this
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17:25:05 <joepie91> hi, welcome to #crytocc, this is a publicly logged channel, please be sure to read the channel rules
17:25:12 <joepie91> you can prefix things with [off] to keep them out of the logs
17:25:18 <joepie91> or I can remove them afterwards but that's a bit of a pain
17:25:20 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
17:25:20 <loggy>
17:25:21 <joepie91> :P
17:25:28 <complex> hm, now i think i got the SSL-connection to work
17:25:31 <joepie91> (that's my usual introduction but I seem to have forgotten it here...)
17:25:50 <complex> it was +6697 that was ssl, right?
17:25:54 <joepie91> complex: yes
17:26:14 <iceTwy> joepie91: what's the IP obfuscation module in UnrealIRCd?
17:26:16 <iceTwy> it's pretty amazing
17:26:18 <joepie91> iceTwy: custom
17:26:19 <tani1> alright, thanks for the warm welcome :D
17:26:23 <iceTwy> joepie91: ooh
17:26:31 <joepie91> iceTwy: though the .users.cryto is atheme, not unreal
17:26:37 <joepie91> but the standard unrealircd obfuscation is entirely custom
17:26:37 <iceTwy> yeah
17:26:41 <joepie91> based on those values you configure
17:26:41 <iceTwy> noice
17:26:44 <joepie91> tani1: you're welcome - literally :)
17:26:58 <joepie91> and mostly I want to make sure that people are aware that it's publicly logged here
17:26:59 <iceTwy> unfortunately, Charybdis devs have decided not implement strong crypto for IP obfuscation
17:27:01 <joepie91> as that's somewhat unusual for IRC channels
17:27:06 <iceTwy>
17:27:08 <iceTwy> .title
17:27:10 <botpie91> iceTwy: Fix memoserv/sendall only sending the first word of the memo by dwfreed · Pull Request #4 · atheme/atheme · GitHub
17:27:13 <iceTwy> er
17:27:15 <iceTwy> no
17:27:43 <joepie91> see, iceTwy, there's a reason I use unrealIRCd.. it's not great, but everything works "well enough"
17:27:46 <iceTwy>
17:27:48 <joepie91> until I get around to setting up my own stuff
17:27:56 <joepie91> :P
17:27:58 <iceTwy> hey
17:28:03 <joepie91> .title
17:28:03 <iceTwy> Charybdis is terrific ;)
17:28:04 <botpie91> joepie91: Host cloaking could be better · Issue #4 · atheme/charybdis · GitHub
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17:28:08 <joepie91> yeah, I've read that issue I think
17:28:10 <iceTwy> I won't bash it because of one single module
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17:28:23 <joepie91> ah, a real client :)
17:31:31 <joepie91> anyway
17:31:43 <joepie91> I had one of the most annoying bugs ever, earlier today
17:31:47 <joepie91> in my JS
17:32:03 <joepie91> turns out that if you use the jQuery plugin syntax
17:32:08 <joepie91> you can't put function definitions before it
17:32:12 <joepie91> without everything breaking
17:32:17 <joepie91> because of parsing ambiguity
17:32:25 <joepie91> had to prefix the jquery plugin bit with a semicolon :|
17:32:41 <iceTwy> huh oh
17:32:54 <joepie91> end result:
17:32:57 <joepie91> note that semicolon
17:33:17 <joepie91> it thought the } of _updateItems and the ( of the jquery definition belonged together, it appears
17:33:27 <Zoned> 0bin
17:33:28 <Zoned> whereru
17:33:30 <Zoned> lol
17:33:33 <joepie91> so whatever was the last function definition before the jquery bit
17:33:34 <joepie91> just vanished
17:33:39 <joepie91> it just never defined
17:33:45 <joepie91> incredibly frustrating bug
17:34:38 <joepie91> oh, btw
17:34:42 <joepie91> iceTwy, not sure if you got the memo
17:34:46 <joepie91> but 0bin is actually 128-bit
17:34:47 <joepie91> not 256
17:34:49 <joepie91> same for zerobin
17:34:54 <joepie91> (the AES)
17:35:04 <joepie91> MK_FG pointed me at that a few days ago..
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17:45:10 <Cryto583> hello!
17:46:25 <Cryto583> rules = no Anonymous. Whats up with that?
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17:47:41 <Zoned> oh my god
17:48:25 <Cryto729> ?
17:48:47 <Zoned> oh nothing
17:49:03 <Cryto729> what is this?
17:50:28 <Cryto729> I dont remember what I clicked to get here lol
17:51:49 <tani_> you're connected to the cryto IRC network via webchat
17:52:32 <Cryto729> Is like good meds or bad ones? lol
17:53:02 <tani_> whatever you make of it ;) however, irc is quite great indeed
17:53:48 <Cryto729> its a chat room?
17:54:13 <tani_> a chat room on steroids, yes.
17:54:32 <Cryto729> lol havent been on one in a long time
17:55:08 <tani_> welcome then ;D
17:55:27 <Cryto729> lol thanks
17:55:40 <Cryto729> so, whats the latest and greatest news right now?
17:56:26 <iceTwy> joepie91: oh is it?
17:56:27 <iceTwy> :s
17:57:10 <Cryto729> that dosent have hashtag in it lol
17:57:47 <Cryto729> well my computer time expired for today - peace :)
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17:59:22 <joepie91> right
17:59:26 <joepie91> I'm just going to go out on a limb
17:59:33 <joepie91> and guess that he somehow ended up here from anonnews
17:59:39 <joepie91> and didn't realize that this is #crytocc, not #anonnews
18:00:00 <joepie91> iceTwy: yup
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18:13:53 <macbeth> Hello
18:13:54 <botpie91> macbeth: 17:01Z <joepie91> tell macbeth to read <iceTwy>
18:14:29 <macbeth> botpie91, tell iceTwy macbeth says thank you for the link to the IRC doc
18:14:29 <botpie91> macbeth: I'll pass that on when iceTwy is around.
18:14:37 <macbeth> botpie91, tell joepie91 macbeth says thank you for the link to the IRC doc
18:14:37 <botpie91> macbeth: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around.
18:14:42 <joepie91> :P
18:14:43 <botpie91> joepie91: 18:14Z <macbeth> tell joepie91 macbeth says thank you for the link to the IRC doc
18:14:47 <macbeth> He he
18:14:59 <joepie91> all thanks go to iceTwy, just passing on the message :)
18:15:15 <macbeth> Ha ha thanks
18:15:28 <macbeth> His name means nice try, right?
18:15:39 <joepie91> I have no idea what his name means actually
18:15:59 <macbeth> Ha ha alright
18:16:12 <macbeth> I listened to that podcast you send me
18:16:15 <macbeth> VERY good
18:16:19 <macbeth> I enjoyed it a lot
18:17:30 <joepie91> macbeth: which?
18:17:33 <joepie91> you mean the raid one?
18:17:52 <macbeth> Yes
18:18:05 <joepie91> well, wasn't a podcast :P
18:18:10 <joepie91> it's a recording of a talk I gave live
18:18:11 <joepie91> at OHM2013
18:18:19 <joepie91> some 100-150 people there
18:18:20 <macbeth> Oh, thanks
18:18:20 <macbeth> Do you know what you did yet?
18:18:31 <joepie91> heh, that question is almost funny
18:18:48 <joepie91> but yes, I know what the case is about, I just can't really say anything about it yet
18:18:48 <macbeth> Well what you are witness of?
18:18:57 <macbeth> Oh, I understand
18:23:42 <macbeth> joepie91, guest1974 has been a pest in #anonnews for so long. Can you do something about it pls?
18:27:38 <joepie91> #anonnews is effectively unmoderated
18:27:45 <joepie91> also
18:27:46 <joepie91> <FadeToBlack>Is everyone not looking at the IRC?
18:27:46 <joepie91> <FadeToBlack>That means the super-admin is not really doing it's job then....
18:27:46 <joepie91> lol
18:28:02 <joepie91> apparently my job is to look at IRC all day
18:28:21 <macbeth> Ha ha ah
18:28:48 <macbeth> btw, did you look at twy's blog post?
18:29:01 <macbeth> How good is that doc on IRC do you think?
18:31:42 <joepie91> haven't read it
18:32:02 <macbeth> Oh, alright
18:32:16 <complex> joepie91: do you mind giving me your speech at ohm?
18:32:32 <joepie91> complex:
18:32:56 <joepie91> also, complex, do I know you under another nick?
18:32:56 <joepie91> "[
18:32:56 <joepie91> :P *
18:33:37 <complex> joepie91: no, im new here :)
18:33:46 <joepie91> ah, I see, hai :)
18:33:58 <joepie91> you sound vaguely familiar but that may just be a coincidence
18:34:09 <joepie91> (or my tired brain going derp)
18:34:20 <macbeth> complex: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. |, | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: | RIP Aaron Swartz
18:34:25 <macbeth> Welcome
18:34:34 <joepie91> heh
18:34:54 <joepie91> I think complex might've been here when I welcomed tani_
18:35:11 <macbeth> Oh, alright
18:35:12 <joepie91> yup, entered just before that
18:35:13 <joepie91> :P
18:35:15 <macbeth> Just making sure
18:35:18 <complex> thanks, i joined because i want to know some programming community better
18:35:18 <joepie91> by coincidence, but still
18:35:27 <macbeth> It's important that ppl know that this is a publically logged channel is all
18:35:29 <complex> im not that into programming, but im eager to leanr you know
18:35:35 <joepie91> complex: good reason to join :D
18:35:39 <macbeth>
18:35:44 <macbeth> Epic site to start
18:39:02 <complex> yeah i've tried it
18:39:17 <macbeth> Something wrong with it?
18:40:26 <complex> no, i just got stuck after a while when my creativity was challenged. i think i prefer to read the stuff in a book before i do it
18:40:44 <macbeth> I can understand that
18:40:53 <macbeth> DrWhat: I know what you're going through
18:40:54 <DrWhat> joepie91; TELL ME THE LOGIN TO MY SWITCH
18:42:46 <DrWhat> MACBETH HALP ME
18:42:58 <macbeth> So sorry
18:43:01 <macbeth> Nothing I can do
18:43:03 <DrWhat> Also
18:43:08 <DrWhat> macbeth is a name
18:43:12 <DrWhat> CAPITALIZE YOU M
18:43:20 <joepie91> DrWhat: I'm not your keepass
18:43:21 <joepie91> :P
18:43:23 <DrWhat> YOU BUM BOY
18:43:29 <joepie91> and cool down
18:43:29 <joepie91> lol
18:43:35 * macbeth is away:
18:43:53 * DrWhat is away "becuase i want to" • Log: on • Pager: off
18:44:03 <joepie91> asdfasdfasdfasdfasdgasdfasd
18:44:05 <joepie91> no
18:44:06 <joepie91> bad
18:44:12 * DrWhat is back [19s]
18:44:12 <DrWhat> :p
18:44:22 <joepie91> macbeth, DrWhat:
18:44:34 <DrWhat> Give me the login to my network switch then!!!
18:45:15 <DrWhat> Ohh
18:45:16 * joepie91 considers adding a spamfilter on 'is away'
18:45:20 <DrWhat> that an idea
18:45:24 <DrWhat> auto-away
18:45:32 * DrWhat goes to tinker with settings
18:45:34 <joepie91> DrWhat: then you're really auto away
18:45:35 <joepie91> so to say
18:45:36 <joepie91> ;)
18:46:24 <DrWhat>
18:46:25 <DrWhat> :)
18:46:54 <joepie91> DrWhat: what the hell did you do to your window styles ._.
18:47:05 * joepie91 twitches
18:47:13 <DrWhat>
18:47:14 <DrWhat> Do you like it
18:47:44 <DrWhat> ^__^
18:48:18 <joepie91> not... really... no... ._.
18:48:24 <joepie91> I would go insane
18:48:29 <DrWhat> :(
18:48:29 <joepie91> with a design like that
18:48:45 <joepie91> so many things
18:48:47 <joepie91> and things
18:48:49 <joepie91> and other things
18:48:51 <joepie91> and glows
18:48:52 <joepie91> and fades
18:48:54 <joepie91> and shadows
18:48:56 <joepie91> and gradients
18:48:58 <DrWhat> I made the windows desktop run on php/html
18:49:00 <DrWhat> :)
18:49:15 <DrWhat> so i can make it how ever i wan
18:49:15 <DrWhat> so i can make it how ever i want
18:49:23 <DrWhat> damn this isnt skype
18:49:25 * joepie91 raises eyebrow
18:49:28 <DrWhat> so i cant just ^ edit
18:49:29 <joepie91> indeed it isn't
18:49:29 <DrWhat> :*
18:49:44 <macbeth> holy shit that looks awful
18:49:45 <joepie91> skype for linux lets you s/old/new/
18:49:58 <joepie91> lol
18:50:01 <DrWhat> skype for linux is vulnable
18:50:03 <joepie91> glad to know I'm not alone
18:50:09 <DrWhat> you can send javascript
18:50:11 <joepie91> DrWhat: you can leave out the "for linux" bit
18:50:17 <joepie91> both are full of XSS vulns
18:50:20 <DrWhat> nope
18:50:23 <joepie91> yes
18:50:24 <DrWhat> removed out of windows
18:50:28 <joepie91> "removed"
18:50:30 <joepie91> until the next is found
18:50:34 <joepie91> like the last 5 timse
18:50:35 <joepie91> times *
18:50:37 <DrWhat> except
18:50:40 <tani_> hooray for closed source.
18:50:40 <DrWhat> the linux once
18:50:43 <DrWhat> one*
18:50:49 <DrWhat> support full html/javascript
18:50:51 <joepie91> tani_: :(
18:50:57 <joepie91> DrWhat: so does the Windows client
18:50:58 <tani_> ;/
18:50:59 <joepie91> yes, really
18:51:01 <DrWhat> does
18:51:02 <DrWhat> not
18:51:07 <tani_> i'm glad i dont need skype
18:51:11 <joepie91> DrWhat: read up on recent security history of Skype for Windows
18:51:21 <joepie91> tani_: the problem is that there's not really a sane alternative for Skype
18:51:25 <joepie91> like
18:51:33 <joepie91> audio/video over XMPP almost never works
18:51:36 <DrWhat>
18:51:36 <joepie91> for unspecified reasons
18:51:41 <joepie91> and Jitsi is just... buggy, crappy
18:51:44 <joepie91> and doesn't work half of the time
18:51:49 <joepie91> not to mention it has insane resource usage
18:51:57 <joepie91> and that pretty much exhausts all open-source options
18:52:16 <DrWhat> you could use a contactless sollution line teamspeak but theirs no video
18:52:22 <joepie91> DrWhat: k, now send that to me on Linux
18:52:22 <DrWhat> or you can use google voice
18:52:26 <joepie91> and I'll make a screenshot
18:52:31 <joepie91> teamspeak is not open-source
18:52:34 <joepie91> nor is google voice or hangouts
18:52:37 <tani_> years ago i heard of a team that reverse engineered skype
18:52:40 <joepie91> mumble does audio but not video
18:52:49 <tani_> wonder what happened
18:52:54 <joepie91> tani_:
18:52:57 <DrWhat> joepie91 it wont work
18:53:07 <DrWhat> but windows version sends the encoded tags
18:53:10 <DrWhat> so you weill see the tags
18:53:39 <DrWhat> but if i was using a lower version that doesnt encode the tags
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18:53:44 <DrWhat> you would see a html output
18:53:47 <joepie91> I know
18:53:51 <joepie91> anyway
18:53:55 <joepie91> Skype is overall a ball of fail
18:53:58 <DrWhat> but i cant be assed reinstalled skype
18:53:59 <joepie91> there's just no real alternative yet
18:54:06 <joepie91> webRTC is interesting
18:54:15 <joepie91> but haven't seen any good practical secure implementations of it yet
18:54:17 <DrWhat> msn got shutdown becuase skype is more popular
18:55:32 <DrWhat> their was one
18:55:37 <DrWhat> I saw a few months ago
18:55:41 <joepie91> DrWhat: Tox, probably
18:55:44 <DrWhat> nope
18:56:04 <DrWhat> it was a youtube advertisment
18:56:07 <DrWhat> i clicked on it
18:56:10 <DrWhat> it looks intresting
18:56:18 <DrWhat> cant for the life of me remeber what it was called
18:56:23 <DrWhat> and i didnt install it
18:56:25 <joepie91> oovoo probably
18:56:33 <joepie91> which used to be okay
18:56:34 <DrWhat> doesnt ring a bell
18:56:37 <joepie91> but is fucking terrible nowadays
18:56:41 <joepie91> and it's probably closed-source if it was a youtube ad
18:57:09 <joepie91> there's another one
18:57:10 <joepie91> similar to oovoo
18:57:12 <joepie91> but I forgot its name
18:57:19 <joepie91> but noone really uses it, it's unstable
18:57:22 <joepie91> and also closed-source
18:57:47 <DrWhat> their is
18:57:54 <DrWhat> i just found googling
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18:58:09 <DrWhat> windows only
18:58:24 <joepie91> windows, closed-source
18:58:33 <joepie91> no video chat it seems
18:58:38 <DrWhat> nope
18:58:44 <DrWhat> its like skype
18:58:49 <DrWhat> without video
18:58:53 <DrWhat> no mircrosoft
18:58:54 <joepie91> DrWhat: then just use mumble
18:58:55 <DrWhat> no nsa
18:59:02 <joepie91>
18:59:13 <DrWhat> i dont use razor comms
18:59:17 <DrWhat> nor mumble
18:59:18 <joepie91> mumble works much better than teamspeak and all that
18:59:25 <joepie91> on unreliable connections especially
19:01:14 <DrWhat> i cant find it :(
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19:12:42 <joepie91> this is a very good example of why I like opensuse
19:12:42 <joepie91>
19:12:50 <joepie91> first stable version isn't even out yet
19:12:54 <joepie91> but it's already in a repository
19:13:05 <joepie91> and it works
19:13:09 <joepie91> albeit with questionable font rendering
19:15:36 <iceTwy> joepie91: if is a DNS A record pointing to my VPS' IP
19:15:37 <botpie91> iceTwy: 18:14Z <macbeth> tell iceTwy macbeth says thank you for the link to the IRC doc
19:15:44 <iceTwy> macbeth: np!
19:16:05 <iceTwy> joepie91: will other subdomains (i.e. depending on the VPS, have to be CNAME
19:16:07 <iceTwy> records
19:17:06 <mama> DrWhat: have you read the link i posted for you 2 days ago?
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19:21:31 <macbeth> lol
19:25:13 <joepie91> iceTwy: that's possible
19:25:19 <joepie91> and advisable
19:25:23 <joepie91> so that if your VPS IP changes
19:25:26 <joepie91> you can just change vps.
19:25:29 <joepie91> also
19:25:30 <joepie91>
19:26:50 <vld> ewww
19:26:50 <vld> adobe
19:32:50 <joepie91> yes, ew adobe
19:32:53 <joepie91> but that editor is pretty damn nice
19:34:24 <macbeth>
19:34:46 <macbeth> Awwww... :( WHY U NO HANE HTML5?!
19:35:57 * macbeth is back (gone 00:52:21)
19:36:03 <macbeth> Aww, fuck Adobe
19:36:09 <macbeth> They are pro CISPA
19:36:15 <macbeth> & Apple
19:38:12 <joepie91> macbeth: the code above is open-source
19:40:14 <norbert79> mikaa: Hi, what's up?
19:40:35 <macbeth> hai
19:40:40 <joepie91> ohai norbert79!
19:42:57 <macbeth> XMPP:
19:43:50 <macbeth> Yeah.
19:45:22 <macbeth> Just installed brackets
19:45:24 <macbeth> Nice UI
19:45:24 <norbert79> hello joepie91
19:53:47 <macbeth> Yeah, I guess you're right
19:53:55 <macbeth> It's a useless effort. They will just make another site
19:54:04 <macbeth> Also, it's no permanent damage...
19:54:44 *** macbeth is now known as [off]
19:54:47 <joepie91> lol
19:54:48 <joepie91> nice try
19:54:49 <[off]> BWA HA HA AH
19:54:50 <joepie91> that doesn't work
19:54:57 *** [off] is now known as macbeth
19:54:57 <joepie91> enjoy the highlights :)
19:55:01 <macbeth> lol
19:57:09 <macbeth> A shut down.
19:57:21 <macbeth> A shut down will ruin their rep, and decrease their popularity
19:59:52 <macbeth> * agress
19:59:54 <macbeth> ugh
19:59:57 <macbeth> * AGREE
20:00:17 <vld> joepie91: I love how it highlights stuff when you edit the CSS
20:00:32 <vld> joepie91: I actually might give this a try
20:00:37 <joepie91> vld: yeah, considering the same
20:00:43 <joepie91> did you notice that it has chrome integration?
20:00:48 <joepie91> it plugs into chromes remote debugging
20:00:53 <vld> joepie91: yus
20:00:55 <joepie91> and does auto-reload -while editing-
20:01:19 <macbeth> I;m also enjoying Brackets, joe
20:01:23 <macbeth> Very useful tool
20:02:09 <macbeth> joepie91: I like how it (brackets) auto adds the </> tag in. Saves a little time.
20:02:21 <joepie91> macbeth: most editors do that if you configure them to do so
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20:02:30 <macbeth> Yes, I know
20:02:50 <macbeth> schish, what's with
20:03:08 <macbeth> joe, have you been on r/ladyboners
20:03:17 <macbeth> If you like gay porn that's for you
20:03:17 <schism> just having a laugh
20:03:20 <joepie91> macbeth: you don't seem to be very good at this [off] thing, haha
20:03:28 <macbeth> 0.0
20:03:29 <macbeth> oh shit
20:03:37 <joepie91> that's like the 5th time you leak in 10 minutes :P
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20:04:45 <vld> joepie91: I broke it :( do a <html> then just delete or ctrl+z
20:05:02 <vld> joepie91: inside the index.html for example
20:05:13 <joepie91> vld: meh
20:05:14 <joepie91> I found a few bugs
20:05:27 <joepie91> I broke the 'missing end tag' indicator in like less than 30 seconds
20:05:28 <joepie91> lol
20:05:40 <joepie91> there's a reason it doesn't have a stable release yet
20:05:44 <macbeth> What program do you use to edit opensource programs?
20:05:47 <macbeth> Like a text editor?
20:06:01 <joepie91> macbeth: for development in general, I normally use Geany
20:06:03 <joepie91>
20:06:08 <joepie91> it's somewhere inbetween a text editor and an IDE
20:06:31 <joepie91> the only things I'm missing are more intelligent autocompletion, browser integration, and inline CSS editing
20:06:40 <joepie91> Brackets seems to do better at that, but I'll wait until it's more stable
20:06:51 <joepie91> other than that, Geany is by far my favourite editor
20:07:48 <macbeth> WOO HOO!
20:09:21 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
20:09:21 <loggy>
20:09:23 <macbeth> just looking through some old docs of ppl that claim to have done it
20:09:37 <joepie91> I really don't understand why people are so obsessed with the guy
20:09:51 <joepie91> he's full of shit; write a post pointing out his bullshit and be done with it
20:09:54 <joepie91> he's just a troll
20:10:03 <joepie91> (and he really REALLY hates being criticized)
20:10:08 <macbeth> yes ye yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
20:10:14 <joepie91> I recall chasing him out of #anonops on irc2p once
20:10:14 <joepie91> lol
20:10:16 <macbeth> like a retarded 6 y/o
20:10:21 <joepie91> he parted the channel to escape the discussion
20:10:31 <macbeth> HA HA AH AH AHA HA HA AH
20:10:39 <joepie91> speaking of which
20:10:41 <macbeth> PLEASE tell me that you have a transscript
20:10:42 <joepie91> I should go to irc2p again
20:10:44 <macbeth> or a screen shot
20:10:45 <joepie91> macbeth: i don't
20:10:46 <macbeth> PLEASE!!
20:10:47 <joepie91> but I'm sure others do
20:10:49 <macbeth> D:
20:10:50 <joepie91> :)
20:10:59 <joepie91> a bunch of irc2p'ians will probably remember
20:14:05 <macbeth> I need i2p to get in, right?
20:17:00 <macbeth> joepie91, I need i2p to get in, right?
20:17:09 <joepie91> macbeth: yes
20:17:12 <macbeth> Thought so
20:17:17 <macbeth> I had it for a little while
20:17:18 <joepie91> it's a darknet :)
20:17:23 <macbeth> Was sorta useelss to me
20:17:42 <tani_> mhhh cookies
20:18:01 <macbeth> cookies taste like trackers
20:18:30 <macbeth> Once, my friend and I had our friend follow a link. We stole his cookie from him and loged into the admin panel of his website
20:18:42 <macbeth> I really wish I still had the code, I think he still does though
20:18:45 <macbeth> Anyway, it was awesome
20:19:33 <joepie91> once, I spammed with aborted baby pictures
20:19:38 <joepie91> because he didn't htmlspecialchars() correctly
20:19:40 <joepie91> lol
20:19:46 <tani_> :D
20:19:50 <joepie91> he never seems to have forgotten that lesson
20:19:50 <joepie91> :D
20:20:23 <macbeth> awesome
20:20:31 <macbeth> Are you pro-choice?
20:21:10 <macbeth> Are you pro-choice, joepie91?
20:21:21 <joepie91> pro what choice?
20:21:35 <macbeth> Pro-abortion?
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20:21:42 <crytocc730> fuck
20:21:50 <joepie91> crytocc730: also hello
20:21:59 <macbeth> Ha ha ha
20:22:00 <joepie91> macbeth: I am undecided as of yet
20:22:02 <macbeth> He left
20:22:07 <macbeth> joe, alright
20:22:19 <macbeth> I can understand that
20:22:36 <joepie91> the reason I am undecided is the same reason "pro choice" is a retarded term
20:22:39 <joepie91> pro whose choice?
20:22:44 <joepie91> the one carrying the baby? or the baby?
20:23:05 <joepie91> it makes no sense to call it "pro-choice" when you're inherently only giving one party a choice
20:23:36 <macbeth> I think that it's wrong because the baby has a pulse and looks like a 'person' and the baby has manorisms while in the womb that would be like a "person"
20:23:45 <tani_> there's a chance one party doesn't have a heartbeat and thus no choice
20:23:46 <joepie91> macbeth: it doesn't matter
20:23:52 <joepie91> also re: tani_
20:24:00 <joepie91> it's like a Christian calling himself pro-reality
20:24:09 <joepie91> yes, in _his_ view he's going to be right
20:24:10 <macbeth> And the babies also sometimes try to avoid the abortion needle which speaks for itself
20:24:15 <joepie91> can it objectively be called pro-reality? no
20:24:22 <joepie91> because it's simply unclear whether his view is correct or not
20:24:28 <macbeth> Yeah
20:24:47 <joepie91> similarly, you can't call it pro-choice because whether it's about 'choice' is completely dependent on your personal view
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20:24:49 <macbeth> I never flood myself with the beliefs of my orgenazations, but rather what I think it right.
20:24:53 <joepie91> so as an objective term it's nonsense
20:25:09 <joepie91> so call it either pro-abortion or anti-abortion and you have a reasonable objective term
20:25:19 <macbeth> Though I'm christian, I do NOT stand for many of the things that my Church stands for
20:25:21 <joepie91> hell, even pro-life would probably do
20:25:30 <macbeth> I reserve my opinions to reason, not to what a group says they should be
20:25:37 <joepie91> but "pro-choice" is a stupid term
20:25:43 <macbeth> i agree
20:25:54 <macbeth> funny that we're talking about different things @ once
20:26:02 <joepie91> macbeth: that's not uncommon in here :)
20:26:13 <macbeth> yes, yes
20:26:27 <macbeth> btw, I found a cool tutorial that I'm gonna be linking newbloods to
20:26:34 <joepie91> k, but remember the channel rules
20:26:35 <joepie91> :p
20:26:35 <macbeth> You can thank reddit r/security
20:26:42 <macbeth> I love reddit
20:26:47 <macbeth> I find so much awesome stuff on there
20:27:09 <macbeth> I like this link cos it's pretty much what I tell the newbloods. Now I can just link them to it
20:27:16 <macbeth> I wish there was a video tutorial through... lol
20:27:22 <macbeth> Anyone want a link?
20:27:26 <tani_> <
20:27:30 <macbeth>
20:27:33 <joepie91> anyway, macbeth, tani_; I'm undecided on the issue of abortion exactly because it's unclear whether/when you can consider a baby to be a 'being'
20:27:34 <macbeth> Some cool stuff
20:27:40 <joepie91> and both sides have their arguments
20:27:45 <joepie91> and neither of the sides have convinced me as of yet
20:27:46 <macbeth> yeah
20:27:52 <joepie91> so I'm staying on the "I have no idea" thing
20:28:08 <macbeth> Well, not holind opinions is awesome too. That must be so blisss
20:28:11 <macbeth> * bliss
20:28:19 <tani_> so you wouldn't abort a being
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20:28:35 <joepie91> The reason that we are going to be using is because the site is owned and operated by DuckDuckGo, Inc, an anonymous search engine that doesnâ??t record IPs, doesnâ??t track [...]
20:28:37 <joepie91> this is bad
20:28:42 <macbeth> I wouldn't kill a person. Why fetus?
20:28:44 <joepie91> these kind of statements should not be in such tutorials
20:28:50 <macbeth> What?
20:28:52 <joepie91> also fuck sites that append rubbish after a copypaste
20:29:00 * joepie91 gives evil stare to geekonin
20:29:03 <macbeth> Eh, I didn't write it.
20:29:16 <joepie91> macbeth: I know, just pointing out that these kind of statements are exactly what screws people over
20:29:20 <joepie91> there should be a situation of zero trust
20:29:26 <joepie91> not "we use this provider because they promise blah blah blah"
20:29:37 <joepie91> promises is exactly what you SHOULDN'T be relying on
20:29:52 <macbeth> where does it say promise?
20:29:55 <tani_> alright, discarding link.. :P
20:29:56 <norbert79> This just made my evening: - So true
20:30:04 <joepie91> macbeth: "promise" is implied
20:30:05 <joepie91> read the quote I gave
20:30:11 <joepie91> " an anonymous search engine that doesnâ??t record IPs, doesnâ??t track"
20:30:18 <joepie91> that is nothing more than a promise
20:30:19 <joepie91> that's it
20:30:25 <joepie91> there is no way to verify it
20:30:36 <joepie91> tani_: mm?
20:31:13 <joepie91> norbert79: hahaha
20:31:22 <joepie91> "Yeah, we understand there's a bit of a disconnect there..."
20:31:26 <macbeth> But I think that DDG is secure. It says that on the homepage, the post is just quoting them
20:31:35 <macbeth> that is an awesome link
20:31:37 <joepie91> macbeth: you didn't read what i said
20:31:38 <macbeth> thanks
20:31:40 <joepie91> again
20:31:46 <joepie91> what DDG says is a PROMISE./
20:31:52 <joepie91> it is not a technical certainty or guarantee
20:31:55 <joepie91> it cannot be independently verified
20:31:58 <joepie91> it's a promise and that's it
20:32:01 <joepie91> nothing more
20:32:03 <macbeth> yeah, I guess
20:32:38 <joepie91> so if you want to make your personal safety rely on the promises of a third party company whose operators you do not know personally, nor do you have any perspective of their possible motives or funding
20:32:40 <joepie91> then go ahead
20:32:43 <joepie91> but don't encourage others to do so
20:32:59 <macbeth> But it also covers OTR, which we all use and trush
20:33:01 <macbeth> * trust
20:33:14 <joepie91> macbeth: this should be ESPECIALLY obvious to anyone - especially to you - after the NSA revelations
20:33:18 <joepie91> companies lie
20:33:20 <joepie91> people lie
20:33:24 <macbeth> I know this.
20:33:27 <joepie91> trusting your security with a promise is completely fucking retarded
20:33:31 <joepie91> full stop
20:33:32 <macbeth> I know
20:33:39 <joepie91> doesn't matter whether it's Google, Microsoft, or DuckDuckGo
20:33:47 <joepie91> and yes, it mentions OTR
20:33:55 <joepie91> but it ALSO perpetuates the idea of a "trusted provider"
20:34:02 <joepie91> that one sentence is enough for people to start "trusting" DDG
20:34:03 <macbeth> Aiight
20:34:10 <joepie91> and not taking additional measures such as using TOR
20:34:16 <joepie91> to hide their IP from DDH
20:34:16 <joepie91> DDG *
20:34:20 <joepie91> because "they don't track anyway"
20:34:25 <macbeth> You're right
20:34:46 <macbeth> So you don't trust the onion router either?
20:34:56 <joepie91> the only way to get rid of this idea of trusting third parties with your safety, is to completely ignore/destroy/counter every single mention of it, no matter where it appears
20:35:03 <joepie91> macbeth: TOR is a technical measure that can be independently verified
20:35:07 <joepie91> it is based on zero trust
20:35:16 <joepie91> you don't trust TOR, you verify it
20:35:53 <joepie91> even if it's just a basic assessment
20:36:04 <macbeth> yeah, yes
20:36:06 <macbeth> You're right
20:36:11 <joepie91> "oh, there's 3-5 hops, there's this many nodes, that many exit nodes, the chance of a compromised connection with X tainted nodes is such and such percent"
20:37:37 <tani_> what about security and 'i have nothing to hide'
20:37:56 <joepie91> tani_: of course you have something to hide
20:38:01 <tani_> because part of me does think so, and the other can't find good arguments against it
20:38:06 <joepie91> alright
20:38:14 <joepie91> tani_: allow me to demonstrate
20:38:14 <joepie91> one moment
20:38:22 <tani_> sure
20:38:25 <joepie91> tani_:
20:38:26 <joepie91> watch from there
20:39:37 <joepie91> you should only need some 30 seconds of that video to understand that you do have something to hide :)
20:40:17 <macbeth> I am SO enjoying that video
20:40:20 <joepie91> and that's not even approaching the possibility of technical failure leading to serious problems - that is, mis-analysis of the data collected on you leading to ending up under stricter surveillance or even no-fly lists etc.
20:40:27 <joepie91> which has happened in the past
20:41:01 <joepie91> and if you want a REALLY scary perspective of what can be done with the data that the NSA and other agencies collect, watch from start to end
20:41:59 <joepie91> and for some more practical perspective; pre-WWII, the Dutch government had possibly the most efficient and accurate citizen administration in all of Europe
20:42:04 <joepie91> complete records on all citizens
20:42:09 <joepie91> religious affiliations, etc
20:42:28 <joepie91> when the nazis took over during WWII, they suddenly had a very useful register of all the jews
20:42:50 <tani_> alright, gonna watch the second one another time
20:43:11 <tani_> point made.
20:44:02 <complex> anyone knows how to write (at) and so on in hexchaat?
20:44:05 <complex> doenst work
20:46:24 <tani_> complex:
20:47:46 <tani_> joepie91: still, i feel more safe on the internet - even without encryption. probably because i don't realize/don't think about being watched.
20:48:25 <tani_> i don't feel good when filmed in public either
20:48:44 <tani_> and hate that kind of surveillance
20:48:50 <iceTwy> gaaaaaaaaaaah
20:48:54 <iceTwy> fucking Apache/SELinux
20:49:19 <tani_> dawoop for arch linux ;D
20:50:08 <joepie91> tani_: the problem is indeed that it isn't obvious that you're monitored
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20:50:19 <joepie91> it feels like you're not
20:50:25 <joepie91> because there's nothing to physically remind you of it
20:50:51 <tani_> which is why less than 5% of (germans) see a problem at all
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20:55:25 <joepie91> whoop, got mouseover selection for my autocomplete working
20:55:30 <joepie91> it's almost done!
20:55:44 <macbeth> what is?
20:55:54 <joepie91> my autocomplete
20:55:54 <joepie91> :p
20:56:13 <macbeth> you're writing an autocomplete program?
20:56:14 <joepie91> macbeth:
20:56:23 <joepie91> the autocomplete that's used for the search box
20:56:27 <joepie91> and will be used for other fields also
20:56:47 <macbeth> cool
20:57:00 <joepie91> when that's done I can populate it with real data
20:57:04 <joepie91> and then I can actually use it
20:57:04 <joepie91> :P
20:57:34 <macbeth> awesome
20:57:36 <macbeth> thats come cool stuff
20:57:51 <joepie91> this is what my current data source looks like
20:58:00 <joepie91> obviously that needs to be changed to retrieve data from the database
20:58:09 <joepie91> rather than some hardcoded stuf
20:58:12 <joepie91> stuff *
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20:58:51 <tani_> eh, i didn't see your mouse moving.
20:59:02 <joepie91> tani_: keyboard control
20:59:05 <joepie91> that video is old
20:59:07 <joepie91> just shows the keyboard bit
20:59:14 <joepie91> I just got done implementing part of the mouse control :P
20:59:25 <joepie91> goal is to have a large part of the application be controllable by keyboard
20:59:35 <joepie91> for speed of use
20:59:39 <tani_> thumbs up to that
20:59:53 <joepie91> ctrl+F for example, will move windows out of the way if necessary to make the search box visible
20:59:58 <joepie91> and jumps your focus to the search box
21:00:09 <joepie91> ctrl+N will pop up a 'create node' window like the button does
21:00:12 <joepie91> of which a video can be found...
21:00:29 <joepie91> here:
21:00:44 <tani_> wish i could download all vim shortcuts into my brain :D
21:00:51 <joepie91> (that's pre-autocomplete)
21:01:01 <joepie91> heh
21:01:10 <joepie91> anyway, all of the above is kind of tricky
21:01:11 <joepie91> in a browser
21:01:21 <joepie91> most of the existing code for this kind of stuff is not suitable for my project
21:01:25 <joepie91> and/or runs too heavy
21:01:29 <joepie91> (yes, ExtJS, looking at you)
21:01:40 <joepie91> and/or isn't smooth enough in usage
21:01:45 <joepie91> so I'm basically writing all UI stuff from scratch
21:02:08 <joepie91> because there's still no really usable UI toolkits for web stuff
21:02:23 <macbeth> what operating system is that?
21:02:59 <joepie91> macbeth: openSUSE 12.3 + XFCE + DockbarX (using xfce4-dockbarx plugin)
21:03:02 <joepie91> with Greybird theme
21:03:17 <joepie91> however, everything within the browser window is custom
21:03:21 <joepie91> and is just HTML/CSS/JS
21:03:22 <joepie91> :p
21:03:24 <tani_> what will openNG be about?
21:03:26 <macbeth> cool
21:03:27 <joepie91> including the notifications
21:03:36 <joepie91> tani_: well, I just linked to Palantir, right?
21:03:37 <joepie91> the video about it
21:03:41 <tani_> yea
21:03:56 <joepie91> right now only governments and corporations with deep pockets have access to that kind of application
21:04:04 <joepie91> so I figured I might as well level the playing field
21:04:13 <joepie91> by writing an open-source application that does much of the same
21:04:26 <joepie91> (though significantly differently designed; better, imo)
21:04:51 <joepie91> and with collab features such as connecting multiple openNG instances together
21:04:52 <tani_> from About
21:04:55 <joepie91> so that they can share data
21:04:56 <tani_> We're here to help solve the world's hardest problems.
21:05:00 <tani_> alright then :D
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21:05:13 <joepie91> palantir is really mostly just a fancy node graph
21:05:19 <joepie91> with a mediocre but featureful UI
21:05:22 <joepie91> in front of it
21:05:27 <joepie91> and a lot of custtom dev
21:05:30 <joepie91> custom *
21:05:37 <joepie91> (which is what they're paying Palantir for)
21:05:48 <joepie91> so it's not hard to replicate conceptually
21:05:56 <joepie91> just the UI is tricky; I'm trying to make it as smooth as possible to use
21:06:00 <joepie91> so that it's accessible to everyone
21:06:03 <joepie91> a bit like wikipedia
21:06:10 <joepie91> except for intelligence/research stuff
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21:07:07 <tani_> wow, huge project
21:08:41 <joepie91> tani_: somewhat
21:08:54 <joepie91> the implementation is simple
21:08:55 <joepie91> the design is tricky
21:09:04 <joepie91> but I've spent the past 3 years or so on that
21:09:07 <joepie91> so I think that'll be fine :D
21:12:07 * macbeth is away:
21:12:10 <tani_> oh, definitely :D
21:12:30 <joepie91> I'm kind of wondering what Palantir will do actually
21:13:13 <joepie91> because A. this is licensed under the WTFPL B. Palantir is known to integrate open-source stuff into their own software and C. the UI of openNG is technically compatible with the Palantir model but significantly smoother than their own UI
21:25:34 <macbeth> tell me if you get this msg after ive left
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21:26:06 <macbeth> did it go through?
21:26:25 <tani_> ( 23:22  macbeth ) tell me if you get this msg after ive left
21:26:25 <tani_> ( 23:22  macbeth ) did it go through?
21:26:34 <macbeth> canu say tht again?
21:26:41 <tani_> i could
21:28:02 <macbeth> well if you wanted me to see it, then you are gonna have to
21:28:16 <tani_> i just wondered why, but alright
21:28:16 <tani_> ( 23:22  macbeth ) tell me if you get this msg after ive left
21:28:17 <tani_> ( 23:22  macbeth ) did it go through?
21:28:43 <tani_> and before:
21:28:44 <tani_> ( 23:08            * macbeth is away:
21:28:52 <macbeth> alright i guess it didn't down
21:28:59 <macbeth> /msg #crytocc test
21:29:06 <macbeth> you have to be in the chan for it to work i guess
21:29:10 <macbeth> be rihgt back
21:34:27 <joepie91> I'm preeeeeeetty sure this is a V8 bug
21:34:28 <joepie91>
21:34:35 <joepie91> rapidly += 1 and -= 1
21:34:41 <joepie91> through mouse and keyboard events
21:34:47 <joepie91> and suddenly it starts treating it as a string in some cases
21:35:17 <joepie91> macbeth: external channel messages can't be done with the... +n mode I think
21:35:30 <joepie91> which is default on channel registration
21:55:55 <norbert79> ok, this is just lol: apt-get install nyancat-server
21:56:26 <norbert79> adds the VT220 based telnet stream to port 23
21:56:33 <norbert79> of the Nyan-Cat animation
22:07:20 <joepie91> haha what
22:07:27 <joepie91> inb4 there's a vuln in there
22:07:59 <tani_> meh.. i can't extract any direct file from streamcloud
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22:12:57 <tani_> oh wait, i already did but didn't notice.
22:13:13 <joepie91> heh
22:17:02 <joepie91> norbert79:
22:17:07 <joepie91> telnet 23
22:17:07 <joepie91> :P
22:17:35 <tani_> and don't forget
22:17:35 <tani_> telnet
22:18:03 <tani_> wooho, nyaning :D
22:18:17 <tani_> alright, enough of that.
22:19:37 <norbert79> tani_: Blinkenlights offer more, than Starwars only :)
22:20:38 <tani_> oh, didn't know that :D
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22:46:48 <tani_> good night!
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23:12:58 <Macbeth> Hello
23:13:13 <Macbeth> hao
23:13:17 <Macbeth> * hai
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23:58:20 <joepie92> VICTORY!
23:58:29 <Zoned> joepie92
23:58:31 <Zoned> :L