Cryto! 7 September 2013

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05:27:39 <KaEsse> jello
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05:28:28 <AnonO_o> hai
05:28:29 <KaEsse> o_O
05:28:35 <KaEsse> hi
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15:37:32 <> Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. |, | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: | RIP Aaron Swartz
15:37:32 <> Users on #crytocc: loggy Asad mikaa botpie91 Amnesthesia Zoned truetravesty twitchyl1quid64 norbert79 lysobit &MK_FG @SpaghettiCode tintin staticsafe Summerfag6532 IR601 cayce Ishaq &ebola joepie91 neksip LapAnon Ari mama dpk d0wn_blog
15:41:27 <Zoned> I love reading posts on sites that are like "watch out"
16:13:18 <Zoned> Oh no WHMCS. Not again...
16:13:20 <Zoned> if (!mysql_query( $query )) {
16:13:20 <Zoned>     $queryerrors .= '' . 'Line ' . $querycount . ' - ' . mysql_error(  ) . '<br>';
16:13:20 <Zoned>     continue;
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16:15:34 <cayce> er
16:15:55 <cayce> can they just pay you to fix it all so I can stop worrying about it
16:16:09 <cayce> one of my bosses runs that shit on her hosting box
16:16:09 <cayce> e.e
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16:17:33 <Zoned> lol
16:17:42 <Zoned> I count 3 vuln
16:18:07 <cayce> :/
16:18:25 <Zoned> I got it fully decoded in under 5 minutes. Not bad.
16:18:45 <cayce> :)
16:18:49 <iceTwy> In what Zoned?
16:18:55 <iceTwy> vulns in what
16:18:57 <cayce> see if you can extract some moneys
16:18:58 <Zoned> WHMCS
16:19:03 <iceTwy> oh
16:19:04 <cayce> I want the bugs fixed, but I want you paid for it
16:19:05 <cayce> :P
16:19:06 <Zoned> they're still using mysql_* someone kill them
16:19:06 <iceTwy> lol
16:19:16 <Zoned> iceTwy install.php mysql_*
16:19:23 <Zoned> class.init.php mysql_*
16:19:32 <iceTwy> rofl
16:19:50 <iceTwy> god
16:19:52 <iceTwy> back from the gym..
16:19:56 <iceTwy> my first proper session
16:20:01 <iceTwy> 2h of weightlifting
16:20:03 <iceTwy> wee
16:20:24 <Zoned> lol
16:20:34 <joepie91>
16:20:36 <cayce> yeeee
16:20:37 <joepie91> .title
16:20:38 <botpie91> joepie91: What an e-book watermark looks like | Koen Rouwhorst
16:23:38 <cayce> joepie91:) huh. I actually wonder why that wasn't in-use before since it's such an obvious idea
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16:35:48 <Ari> okay guys
16:36:03 <Ari> it's saturday and rainy
16:36:04 <Ari> what do
16:38:13 <joepie91> Ari: code
16:38:23 <Ari> joepie91: fine
16:38:27 <Ari> I'll do work I'm supposed to
16:38:28 <Ari> T_T
16:38:30 <joepie91> lol
16:42:09 <iceTwy> Ari: gym
16:42:10 <iceTwy> :p
16:42:49 <Ari> iceTwy, I don't work out xD
16:44:20 <iceTwy> Ari: I just started haha
16:44:22 <iceTwy> feels great
16:44:25 <Ari> nice :P
16:44:32 <iceTwy> the subscription was rather expensive
16:44:36 <iceTwy> (to the gym that is)
16:44:38 <iceTwy> but worth it
16:44:45 <iceTwy> open from 7AM 'til 11PM
16:44:47 <iceTwy> all week long
16:44:53 <iceTwy> never too crowded even at peak hours
16:45:07 <iceTwy> lots of machines/weights/cardio training thingies
16:46:41 <Ari> I bike like 10km a day
16:46:43 <Ari> so
16:46:43 <Ari> w/e
16:47:05 <iceTwy> ah
16:47:26 <cayce> not bad :D
16:47:26 <iceTwy> though I /had/ to get a subscription
16:48:20 <cayce> apparently I ride 14.5km every day
16:48:22 <cayce> fancy
16:48:38 <cayce> and 20 on weekends!?
16:48:52 <cayce> well, one weekend day
16:48:57 <cayce> the beach is 20km roundtrip
16:51:23 <iceTwy> ^ that's what I usually ride when I go out on me bike
16:51:27 <iceTwy> Paris is a cool place
16:51:29 <iceTwy> so yeah
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16:53:36 <nora>
17:02:54 <iceTwy> no, nora
17:03:00 <iceTwy> TrueCrypt is not a viable solution.
17:04:35 <iceTwy> also
17:04:45 <iceTwy> while some of the things they recommend are good
17:04:52 <iceTwy> (PGP, Tails, OTR)
17:05:17 <iceTwy> I wonder how they can recommend using a closed-source proprietary software to encrypt hard drives
17:05:24 <iceTwy>
17:05:29 <iceTwy> >BitLocker encryption
17:08:24 <joepie91> iceTwy:
17:08:32 <joepie91> Now that we know that corporationsâ??or at least individuals in corporationsâ??have worked with the NSA to build backdoors into encryption technology, privacy buffs should give commercial encryption technology (such as Microsoftâ??s BitLocker) the hairy eye.
17:09:02 <joepie91> herp derp
17:09:10 <joepie91> "Now that we know..."
17:09:19 <joepie91> no, you fucking idiot, you should have made that assumption from the fucking get go
17:09:25 <joepie91> jesus christ
17:09:27 <joepie91> people never learn, do they?
17:09:56 <iceTwy> ^
17:11:35 <cayce> not usually, no
17:11:56 <cayce> I keep fighting with people because they don't know how any of this works and they're using fuzzy parsing to reach conlusions
17:12:19 <cayce> except the people they're listening to are not fuzzy speaking. the truth is in the gaps in their syntax :/
17:13:07 <cayce> everything the public officials say are very very specific and crafted
17:13:26 <cayce> and everyone's just fuzzy parsing the statements
17:13:28 <cayce> :/
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17:24:20 <cayce> ohhhh, whmcs is billing shit and whm is just server manager? :/
17:43:38 <cayce> joepie91:) that cable map is awesome! they've got the cuba => venezuela line marked :D
17:46:32 <joepie91> lol
17:46:41 <joepie91> do keep in mind that it also has future not-yet-existent cables
17:46:45 <joepie91> (you can uncheck a box for that)
17:46:53 <joepie91> context:
17:47:02 <joepie91> submarine cables
17:47:07 <joepie91> (just doing some IRC log SEO there)
17:47:12 <joepie91> :D
18:36:59 <joepie91> cayce
18:37:04 <joepie91> and iceTwy and lysobit
18:37:06 <joepie91>
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18:37:12 <joepie91> there is so much wrong here...
18:37:19 <joepie91> also norbert79 and twitchyl1quid64
18:37:19 <joepie91> :p
18:37:23 <cayce> yes
18:37:29 <cayce> yes I saw that in other chans
18:37:30 <cayce> :3
18:37:48 <cayce> and yeah, I know about the checkbox on cablemaps
18:38:29 <cayce> the cable's finished I think, I heard a couple of the fibers had been spun up and some bgp routes announced
18:38:42 <cayce> but like, a few mbit worth, nothing huge
18:43:46 <iceTwy> joepie91: what's this? ;o
18:46:10 <joepie91> iceTwy: novell account recovery
18:46:42 <joepie91> what's the point of security questions when they just email them to you anyway?
18:46:56 <joepie91> why is email often seen as spam by email?
18:46:58 <iceTwy> looooool.
18:47:07 <joepie91> by gmail*
18:47:22 <joepie91> why don't they just send a recovery-question-less recovery email instead of giving you your answers and telling you to go somewhere without giving a URL?
18:47:33 <joepie91> why does it take 10 minutes to send that shitty little email in the first place?
18:47:34 <joepie91> ...
18:47:45 <iceTwy> umad?
18:47:46 <iceTwy> :D
18:48:00 <iceTwy> seriously however
18:48:20 <iceTwy> that's most likely because Novell are a big company and must have had some troubles with Google at some poin
18:48:21 <iceTwy> t
18:48:33 <iceTwy> and they're slow, well, yes
18:49:45 <joepie91> and generally have terrible login systems?
18:49:47 <joepie91> yes
18:50:20 <lysobit> joepie91: yeah, the passwords are stored securely in "plaintext"
18:51:02 <lysobit> "Passwords are stored in a secure way. They’re only copied into plain text when pasted automatically into a password reminder mail."
18:52:01 <lysobit> but wait, their password recoery email is them sending you your security answer?
18:52:05 <lysobit> recovery*
18:58:46 <joepie91> lysobit: actually Novell doesn't appear to store in plaintext
18:58:54 <joepie91> at least, they claim as much in their recovery system
18:58:59 <joepie91> (for passwords)
18:59:00 <joepie91> also lol
19:00:26 <joepie91> oh, lysobit
19:00:27 <joepie91> we have a .tw command
19:00:28 <joepie91> .tw
19:00:29 <botpie91> @troyhunt Passwords are stored in a secure way. They’re only copied into plain text when pasted automatically into a password reminder mail. (@UKTesco)
19:03:23 <cayce> I suppose if you fire the password/answers off before they're hashed...
19:11:30 <MK_FG> "A plaintext file requires a special tool, called a text editor, to change its content. Linux hackers may use WINE to run notepad.exe."
19:12:03 <MK_FG> (twitters, seem to be relevant enuff)
19:12:43 <cayce> YEAH
19:12:49 <cayce> I mean really I'd use wine to run notepad2
19:12:50 <cayce> but whatever
19:13:20 <MK_FG> That's how you know it's secure
19:13:49 <MK_FG> Hackers, special hacker cybermil-grade software and stuffs
19:19:59 <lysobit> Ironically Backtrack comes with WINE and notepad.exe installed
19:21:12 <joepie91> lysobit: notepad.exe is actually a default part of WINE
19:21:12 <joepie91> afaik
19:21:20 <lysobit> oh right
19:21:25 <joepie91> as is regedit
19:21:28 <joepie91> or well, both are probably cflones
19:21:29 <joepie91> clones *(
19:21:33 <joepie91> because licensing and shit
19:21:38 <joepie91> yay
19:21:40 <joepie91> time to diff Makefiles
19:21:53 <joepie91> I couldn't possibly imagine a more fun way to spend an evening!
19:22:02 * joepie91 vomits
19:23:08 <MK_FG> Standard procedure on package updates to spot what's new wrt deps and such stuff there
19:23:20 <joepie91> MK_FG: I'm trying to package Prosody 0.9
19:23:23 <MK_FG> (well, usually ac's, am's and m4's too...)
19:23:32 <joepie91> thank god there's Diffuse
19:23:35 <joepie91> but even then
19:23:43 <MK_FG> git!
19:23:57 <joepie91> git is not applicable to my situation
19:24:30 <cayce> meld is the one I loved
19:24:56 <MK_FG> ediff-mode is bestest anyways
19:25:02 <joepie91> ?
19:25:06 <joepie91> that actually looks very sexy
19:25:58 <cayce> yeah that's the one
19:26:11 <cayce> It makes diffs fun
19:26:17 <cayce> which scares me somewhat
19:27:26 <joepie91> huh, that actually works much better
19:27:27 <joepie91> and heh, yes
19:27:27 <joepie91> lol
19:28:17 <joepie91>
19:28:18 <joepie91> much better
19:28:32 <cayce> :D
19:30:44 <joepie91> looks like no significant conflict
19:30:46 <joepie91> shower first, then fix
19:35:05 <cayce> NP: [1200 Micrograms - Hashish] [1200 Micrograms] [1016kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
19:40:15 <MK_FG> cayce, And then gave it to arabs first?
19:40:36 <cayce> Iunno :D
19:40:54 <cayce> I mean they're all just avatars of vishnu after all
19:41:14 <cayce> which could be a cleverly disguised precursor to jesus/muhammed
19:41:17 <cayce> allah/god
19:41:19 <cayce> >_>
19:41:24 <cayce> (gaia)
19:41:28 <tintin>
19:41:29 * cayce coughs
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19:44:10 <MK_FG> p2p hype, cloud hype, infosec hype...
19:51:29 <joepie91> MK_FG: oh well, better than ignorance hype
19:52:47 <cayce> that is a very fucking good ad for s4
19:52:54 <cayce> cleverly disguised
19:53:02 <cayce> as an ad
19:53:02 <cayce> :3
19:54:46 <MK_FG> Author of that thing asked around in #tahoe-lafs before publishing, only got zooko's attention after publishing ;)
19:55:10 <MK_FG> <zooko> malaclyps: ambimorph said something like "Oh! It's by Danny O'Brien. I was wondering how come it was so accurate."
19:56:10 <MK_FG> Anyways, everyone going for crypto wars seem... wrong
19:56:19 <cayce> lol
19:57:04 <MK_FG> I mean, you don't go with guns against the army if you don't like something usually, you try changing policies and such first
19:57:25 <MK_FG> Not that it's exactly the same thing, of course
19:57:42 <MK_FG> But trying to beat nsa in it's own field kinda
19:58:10 <cayce> defeat all seeing eye not by fighting on their turf but by changing the rules of the game
19:59:55 <MK_FG> Yep, using nist crypto they developed in 80s
20:00:06 <MK_FG> Teh Rules Haz Changed
20:00:43 <cayce> yep
20:00:53 <joepie91> awesome, Novell sent me my recovery stuff AGAIN!
20:00:54 <cayce> needs more curve25519 and salsa
20:01:15 <cayce> and aes-gcm for such things
20:01:18 <cayce> also sha3
20:01:34 <MK_FG> Heh, I see cruel irony in this
20:01:44 <MK_FG> Especially aes, gcm mode and keccak
20:01:59 <cayce> what, the biased rng's it all depends on?
20:02:06 <MK_FG> All of these are criticized for being nsa plants with fuckton of magic constants no one gets
20:02:30 <MK_FG> And all are nist, which late revelations cover
20:02:46 <cayce> I wanted blake or skein
20:02:47 <cayce> :/
20:03:02 <joepie91> MK_FG: I think we're kind of past the 'change policy' stage now, now that people realize the NSA gives 0 shits about what people actually find acceptable
20:03:10 <joepie91> they're just full-on adversaries now
20:03:16 <joepie91> as they probably should be considered
20:03:36 <joepie91> using 'NSA' here as a collection of 'NSA and all associated and cooperative parties'
20:03:54 <cayce> "There's no reason not to consider the nsa an adversary; they consider you to be one, after all."
20:03:55 <MK_FG> It's totally fucked up
20:04:24 <joepie91> cayce: pretty much
20:04:41 <joepie91> hence
20:04:42 <joepie91> .tw
20:04:43 <botpie91> The NSA considers citizens to be 'adversaries'. I'd say that warrants for citizens to consider the NSA to be an adversary. (@joepie91)
20:04:43 <MK_FG> When everyone considers their own (or allied) gov an adversary
20:04:59 <cayce> you know what this means?
20:05:00 <MK_FG> But yeah, 0 trust for these lately
20:05:05 <cayce> interbutts have flipped
20:05:14 <cayce> it started based on trust and exclusivity
20:05:16 <cayce> we've lost both
20:05:43 <cayce> man, institutional inertia of the internet... to reverse the fundamentals of how it works
20:05:45 <cayce> this will be painful
20:06:18 <cayce> probably better(easier) to build an alternative system and migrate
20:06:44 <cayce> because at this point the water's tainted
20:06:56 <cayce> and no matter how much you flush it, you won't get the poison out without new water
20:07:03 <joepie91> I don't know.
20:07:25 <cayce> you can only dilute the poison
20:07:32 * cayce shrugs
20:07:36 <joepie91> unrelated,
20:07:49 <cayce> yes
20:08:02 <cayce>
20:08:13 <cayce> blue one is coinbase
20:08:23 <cayce> very pretty interface, no lie
20:09:57 <cayce> I like this very much
20:11:59 <MK_FG> Build new network and/or distributed system and what stops agencies from tapping it in similar way, given that they remain unlimited in privilege? superior crypto?
20:12:46 <cayce> yes, and more
20:12:52 <cayce> interbutts were designed with trust
20:12:59 <cayce> that needs to be removed as a prereq
20:13:32 <cayce> crypto from the ground up, of course, instead of being stapled on later. but more importantly is the reversal of trust
20:13:49 <cayce> bgp is just trust with machine filters
20:13:56 <MK_FG> Meh, still their field
20:14:08 <MK_FG> Both trust relations and crypto
20:14:13 <cayce> I'm not concerned about the crypto
20:14:15 <cayce> like, at all
20:16:24 <MK_FG> Guess next system we'll be building will be a dreamworld inside our own imaginations, like heavy violence victims
20:16:37 <MK_FG> Surely they won't get there without lobotomy ;)
20:17:12 <cayce> NP: [OutKast - Hey Ya!] [The Love Below] [2801kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
20:33:50 <tintin> wierd; was listening to that earlier ^
20:36:00 <cayce> :D
20:38:43 <joepie91> WHOO!
20:38:44 <joepie91>
20:38:45 <joepie91> ALL GREEN!
20:38:49 <joepie91> looks like it built successfully!
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21:01:09 <TheHackBox> SUP
21:01:28 <TheHackBox> cc joepie91
21:01:30 * TheHackBox is listening to Chief Keef - Love Sosa (RL Grime Remix)
21:01:32 <TheHackBox> idk
21:01:46 <joepie91> mm?
21:02:43 <cayce> NP: [Pendulum - Propane Nightmares] [In Silico] [1089kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
21:02:51 <TheHackBox> yay I registed with a safe password joepie91
21:02:53 <TheHackBox> gg hackers
21:02:56 <TheHackBox> cayce: love it
21:03:00 <joepie91> TheHackBox: ?
21:03:00 <TheHackBox> registered*
21:03:14 <TheHackBox> joepie91: I haven't been here since the hackers logged nickserv
21:03:16 <TheHackBox> :P
21:03:26 <joepie91> oh
21:03:27 <joepie91> lol
21:03:46 <cayce> :)
21:03:56 <TheHackBox> also your v6 is broken joepie91
21:04:55 <joepie91> aware, aware
21:04:57 <joepie91> on the todo list
21:12:34 <TheHackBox> 3 servers at colocrossing joepie91?
21:12:59 <iceTwy> what
21:13:02 <iceTwy> the flying fuck
21:13:21 <iceTwy> is HowToBasic
21:13:34 <TheHackBox> uhh
21:13:37 <TheHackBox> good question
21:14:15 <iceTwy> on YouTube...
21:14:24 <iceTwy> possibly the most disturbing channel I've ever seen
21:14:24 <iceTwy> lol
21:16:14 <joepie91> TheHackBox: I AM AWARE
21:16:24 <joepie91> this is partially a result of server moves
21:16:26 <joepie91> it is on the todo list
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21:28:41 <TheHackBox> joepie91: wth is up with windows
21:28:46 <TheHackBox> nvidia driver crashed
21:30:44 <Zoned> lol
21:31:04 <Zoned> I acadently rm -rf'd my irc server.
21:36:43 <joepie91> TheHackBox: nvidia drivers for Windows do that
21:36:46 <joepie91> Zoned: that is not a smart thing to do
21:38:42 <Zoned> joepie91: yup. dumb idea
21:40:15 <cayce> huh
21:40:32 <cayce> 3.11 linux kernel is over 2mb smaller than 3.10.10, compressed
21:40:59 <cayce> wat
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21:52:04 <Zoned> god damnit
22:00:36 <joepie91> just ran across an old post
22:00:39 <joepie91> on anonnews
22:00:40 <joepie91>
22:02:02 <Zoned> lol
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22:10:17 <cayce> mmm
22:12:18 <cayce> funny
22:12:33 <cayce> the list of software they say is going to ship with 13.10 is what I'm already running
22:12:35 <cayce> how quaint
22:14:34 <cayce> joepie91:) memories!
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22:21:36 <joepie91> :)
22:21:43 <HiveResearch> yo joepie91
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22:38:11 <tintin> whoever was running it, decided not to anymore
22:39:36 <joepie91> tintin: haha
22:40:16 <tintin> I can't remember the nick, but they posted saying they were shutting down the server
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22:57:14 <Zoned> when videos lag on your pc... its not fucking youtube
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23:23:13 <cayce> well that wasn't what I was hoping for
23:23:53 <cayce> nvidia is so good at transitioning between kernel versions
23:23:58 <cayce> and destroying its own installs
23:24:17 <cayce> one of those lines was sarcastic, I'll let you figure which
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23:25:45 <cayce> on the plus side I've got 3.11 built with nvidia-325.15
23:26:14 <cayce> and for some fucking reason, a git-head build of xorg to facilitate
23:39:47 <lysobit> Looks like they were smart enough to dump their old, insecure script
23:40:04 <Zoned> They use wordpress now.
23:40:17 <lysobit> yeah
23:40:26 <lysobit> though the frontpage hasn't changed at all
23:40:34 <lysobit> since 2 years
23:40:42 <Zoned> lysobit 30 minutes spare time I could most likely make it change ;)
23:40:44 <lysobit> but they fixed download
23:40:52 <Zoned> looks like its going down now.
23:40:58 <Zoned> gateway timeout :)
23:42:41 <Zoned> yeah its dead
23:43:01 <cayce> hot
23:43:18 <cayce> 504!
23:44:03 <Zoned> ;)
23:45:08 <cayce> hmm, let's see how new kernel and drivers hold up under skyrim
23:45:52 <Zoned> kewl
23:45:54 <cayce> perfectly?
23:45:55 <cayce> shit
23:45:58 <cayce> man that was SMOOVE
23:47:14 <cayce> wow
23:47:17 <cayce> this is scary smooth
23:47:23 <cayce> better than windows smooth
23:49:28 <joepie91> cayce; what are you running it on?
23:49:51 <lysobit> apparantly games run faster on Linux
23:50:09 <joepie91> well, yes, they do
23:50:20 <lysobit>
23:50:49 <lysobit> When ported and properly optimized, that is. Not under WINE.
23:50:53 <joepie91> I have to say that Traveline has been notable helpful so far
23:50:55 <joepie91> notably *
23:51:06 <joepie91> or rather, whoever at Traveline is handling dataset stuff
23:51:23 <joepie91> lysobit: games may run better under WINE than on Windows natively
23:51:46 <lysobit> that..doesn't seem plausible
23:51:49 <lysobit> any examples?
23:52:04 <joepie91> The Sims 3 on (ex-)bf's PC
23:52:25 <lysobit> You've tried on the same PC, with the same hardware?
23:52:29 <joepie91> switched to Linux, it suddenly ran noticeably better
23:52:29 <joepie91> yes
23:52:35 <joepie91> it ran Windows before
23:52:48 <joepie91> proprietary drivers on both
23:53:30 <joepie91> even without benchmarking anything, it was noticeably more responsive and smoother on Linux under WINE than it was on Windows
23:53:47 <lysobit> What does the Sims 3 Engine use for graphics?
23:53:52 <joepie91> I have absolutely no idea
23:54:19 <joepie91>
23:54:39 <lysobit> oh, OpenGL
23:54:42 <lysobit> then it would make sense
23:55:04 <lysobit> otherwise what would that mean, WINE is better at implementing the Windows API than Microsoft themselves?
23:55:45 <joepie91> not necessarily
23:56:08 <joepie91> but if the implementation is on par and the kernel is more efficient (as appears to be the case for Linux vs Windows)
23:56:15 <joepie91> then it may result in better performance
23:57:32 <joepie91> (to just give one example)
23:59:56 <joepie91> time to sleep
23:59:57 <joepie91> night all