Cryto! 31 August 2013

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01:02:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> is there a free git repo that allows privatization of my repo. github wants $7 a month :( i so poor
01:11:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> hmmm investigating bitbucket
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01:12:56 <botpie91> 04iceTwy made 20 commit(s) to 03dbot on branch 10master: '02Provisional framework for database module using databank multiplexing. [#272]', '02provisional poll thing. only commiting so i can switch branch w/e [#272]', '02update stats or something idk', '02Merge git:// into database', '02Poll module now functional using databank. What of it? [#272]', '02Started working on transforming quote
01:14:27 <botpie91> 04iceTwy made 1 commit(s) to 03dbot on branch 10master: '02install must be run with bash, not sh' (
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01:24:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> It is needless to say I am in over my head on this social engine project. Specially considering the fact that I am NOT; 1) An expert on security 2) Proficient enough with CSS/3 3) Having infinite time to complete the project and still be relevant.. So I have begut to create a git repo for this project. I would be exponentially appreciative of anyone who helps on this project.
01:25:58 <wh1t3r4bb1t> When the repo is up I will share the link here. If you want to be added to the project please PM me with your skill-set and how many hours a week you can devote to this project.
01:26:41 * wh1t3r4bb1t passes out cookies and milk.
01:26:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Thanks
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03:56:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I just deleted 287k files.
03:57:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> yes, 287,000 + development files. #househeeping
04:05:09 <cayce> less heeping more keeping
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04:26:19 <> Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. |, | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: | RIP Aaron Swartz
04:26:19 <> Users on #crytocc: loggy lysobit joepie91 Ishaq raymii GHOSTnew staticsafe loldongs xilzto &ebola landrone tintin dpk norbert79 wh1t3r4bb1t cayce twitchyl1quid64 aHlTat Asad d0wn_blog @SpaghettiCode truetravesty IR601 &MK_FG
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05:28:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> SocialFlood repo is up
05:38:54 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I get a login wall
05:45:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ah how do I add people to this project??? Hmm I will find out
05:46:12 <wh1t3r4bb1t> joepie91: maybe you need to create a bitbucket account though. brb
05:46:48 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: just set it as publicly visible
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05:49:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Why, joepie91? I want this project to only be viewed by people working on it. Teh seerez must not be spill.
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05:50:25 <joepie91> ah, /me is not interested then
05:50:37 <joepie91> nor would I think there's any point in posting the URL here :)
06:07:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Why must it be public for you to have interest? You only do public domain stuff or what?
06:09:21 <joepie91> "public" is not the same as "public domain"
06:09:52 <joepie91> it must be public for me to have interest, because I have no desire to spend any time on things that only a limited amount of people are going to have access to
06:11:14 <joepie91> @ wh1t3r4bb1t
06:15:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> When the first master gets released and pushed it will go public, I promise.
06:19:05 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t; so what's the reason behind not making it public already?
06:26:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Because it needs to be developed to a point that the public can appreciate without other devs stealing the concept and running off with it because they have huge investors.
06:30:28 * joepie91 sighs
06:30:35 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: name two projects where this actually happened
06:31:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> DOS, Apple/Windows
06:32:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I can go on with other less prominent examples but the whole world knows these two.
06:34:15 <cayce> dos apple and windows were stolen
06:34:19 <cayce> orly
06:35:04 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: okay, who wrote it as open-source software, and who stole the concept before the first release was done?
06:35:07 <joepie91> for both of those
06:36:25 <wh1t3r4bb1t> It wasn't even open source
06:36:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Oh and Facebook is another
06:36:57 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: so what does it have to do with the situation you just described then?
06:37:37 <joepie91> <wh1t3r4bb1t>When the first master gets released and pushed it will go public, I promise.
06:37:37 <joepie91> <joepie91>wh1t3r4bb1t; so what's the reason behind not making it public already?
06:37:37 <joepie91> <wh1t3r4bb1t>Because it needs to be developed to a point that the public can appreciate without other devs stealing the concept and running off with it because they have huge investors.
06:37:37 <joepie91> <joepie91>wh1t3r4bb1t: name two projects where this actually happened
06:37:48 <joepie91> looks like none of the examples are relevant to what I asked
06:39:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Hence the desire for me to keep it closed source until such time that opening some of the source will not hurt.
06:40:44 <joepie91> agaimn
06:40:46 <joepie91> again *
06:40:55 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: name two projects where WHAT YOU DESCRIBED happened
06:40:58 <joepie91> which means
06:41:27 <joepie91> name two projects where someone 'stole' the concept of an open-source project before its first release, and ran off with it to investors to build their own
06:41:31 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t ^
06:43:53 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Apple and Microsoft steal open source concepts all the time.
06:44:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> And since they have investors, this is certainly applicable to my concerns.
06:46:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Just because these two companies are established does not exclude them from fitting into the shoe of thieves with capital or "investors"
06:47:05 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: that is not an answer to the very specific question I asked
06:47:20 <joepie91> or shall I stop beating around the bush and just tell you what the problem is with what you're doing?
06:48:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Go ahead and be blunt, that never bothers me.
06:49:33 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t; right
06:49:45 <joepie91> the reality is that the scenario you are fearing is simply not going to happen.
06:49:48 <joepie91> for various reasons
06:49:57 <joepie91> your fear that it will happen assumes a few things:
06:50:18 <joepie91> 1.  that $random_person_backed_by_investors finds your concept immediately interesting enough to take it and run with it
06:50:21 <joepie91> which is very unlikely
06:50:31 <joepie91> 2. that that same person is willing to do so
06:50:37 <joepie91> which is also not terribly likely
06:51:04 <joepie91> and 3. that that person can research the concept, research the legal aspects, find suitable investors, get all the paperwork filed and done, get a marketing campaign running, AND write all the code for it
06:51:13 <joepie91> in the time that you just have to write code and throw it onto bitbucket
06:51:17 <joepie91> which is damn near impossible
06:51:42 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: in the past I had the same paranoia about someone running with my ideas and 'stealing my thunder' so to say
06:51:44 <joepie91> and did a similar thing
06:51:51 <joepie91> but eventually realized that it was an irrational fear
06:52:15 <joepie91> it's just not practically feasible.
06:54:12 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Maybe my fear is irrational. Maybe it could prove to be rational. I just don't want to be "that guy" who got fucked out of everything in life over being careless with great ideas.
06:55:49 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: if it happens once - even once! - you can shout "I TOLD YOU SO" at me as loud as you want
06:56:15 <joepie91> and keep code hidden until first release for the rest of your life
06:56:22 <joepie91> but perhaps you should try it without the paranoid hiding first
06:56:27 <joepie91> even *if* it goes wrong, that's one idea messed up
06:56:29 <joepie91> one
06:56:38 <joepie91> and I strongly doubt you're only ever going to have one good idea during your entire life
06:58:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Well, maybe you are right. But can I just keep it closed source until I can get over my fears and still be accepted?
06:59:16 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I'm going to sound horribly cheesy now, so warning you for that in advance
06:59:22 <joepie91> but there's only one way to get over your fears
06:59:24 <joepie91> and that's by facing them
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06:59:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> In the end the team will put this subject to a vote. That is only fair.
06:59:47 <joepie91> how many people does the team consist of?
07:00:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Only me so far and I need help. Desperately need help.
07:01:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I desperately need to BULD The Social Flood team.
07:01:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> build*
07:03:35 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: so, who are going to vote then?
07:03:41 <joepie91> if it's just you?
07:04:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Anyone who wants to become part of the team.
07:04:38 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: you don't see a bias problem there?
07:04:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> But for now I vote closed source at the moment
07:05:25 <joepie91> again, <joepie91>wh1t3r4bb1t: you don't see a bias problem there?
07:06:15 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Joe, please join this team. you are much better at the security and I also would like to recruit maybe Ari because Ari is a front end ninja.
07:07:05 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t; my response would be "I'm not interested if it isn't a public project", which shows exactly what the problem is with your idea of voting for it
07:07:08 <wh1t3r4bb1t> And, yes, joepie91, I see the bias.
07:07:30 <joepie91> you've already indicated that you don't want it public (yet), so anyone that would vote against that is unlikely to join the team in the first place
07:07:36 <joepie91> making the voting idea pretty much pointless
07:08:00 <joepie91> which means it comes down again to:
07:08:03 <joepie91> <joepie91>but there's only one way to get over your fears
07:08:03 <joepie91> <joepie91>and that's by facing them
07:08:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> You are awesome. I am fear.
07:11:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> But,
07:11:36 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Public
07:11:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Wut now
07:11:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ?
07:13:19 * joepie91 blinks
07:13:22 <joepie91> has the URL changed?
07:13:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> yes because I made the project a team project
07:14:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it does that when you set up team and name it different that your username
07:15:45 <joepie91> ah
07:15:46 <joepie91> pm
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09:18:12 <joepie91> botpie91, tell Smoker that I'd like to talk to him in private when he gets back
09:18:13 <botpie91> joepie91: I'll pass that on when Smoker is around.
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13:14:35 <joepie91> would you look how transparent YourAnonNews is!
13:14:36 <joepie91>
13:14:40 <joepie91> .tw
13:14:41 <botpie91> joepie91: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id
13:14:45 <joepie91> ok ok
13:14:46 <joepie91> .tw
13:14:47 <botpie91> .@joepie91 I am not gonna answer you because you're an asshole, and a fucking pedo. Go fuck more little kids, joepie (@EisMC2)
13:19:18 <lysobit> joepie91:
13:19:25 <lysobit> it appears the project page has been deleted
13:19:34 <joepie91> yes, it has been
13:19:40 <lysobit> y
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13:29:16 <lysobit> Also, they're infringing on Warner Brothers' IP by selling merchandise based on their mask. Twist: WB sues YAN
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14:20:14 <cayce> oh, now that's actually a neat function
14:20:42 <cayce> .tw
14:20:43 <botpie91> The NSA is part of the threat model now (@WeldPond)
14:22:25 <cayce> It's funny that everyone's response is "only now? You mean they weren't in your threat model already?"
14:22:27 <cayce> e.e
14:23:11 <cayce> There's a word for it, but I can't remember what it is. They're failing to note that most people didn't even think about this shit until recently.
14:24:59 <cayce> wh1t3r4bb1t:) your "idea protection" issues sound a lot like a friend of mine. Did you have a parent that had horrible bipolar and would randomly take things from you irrelevant of its value to you because $reasons
14:25:17 <cayce> * ?
14:38:32 <MK_FG> Maybe it really is only "now" for most US people
14:39:27 <MK_FG> ...and different for foreigners, esp. non-US bussinesses
14:39:48 <lysobit> .tw
14:39:49 <botpie91> gooby but, gooby gooby gooby butgooby but, gooby gooby gooby butgooby but, gooby gooby gooby buttern arond stik it ot sho mi dolan duk (@ActuallyAmDolan)
14:40:53 <lysobit> .help
14:41:52 <lysobit> botpie91: tell lysobit a
14:41:53 <botpie91> You can tell yourself that.
14:42:15 <lysobit> botpie91: tell nickserv lol
14:42:16 <botpie91> lysobit: I'll pass that on when nickserv is around.
14:43:52 <lysobit> .ety ape
14:43:53 <botpie91> "Old English apa 'ape, monkey,' from Proto-Germanic *apan (cf. Old Saxon apo, Old Norse api, Dutch aap, German affe), perhaps borrowed in Proto-Germanic from Celtic (cf. Old Irish apa) or Slavic (cf. Old Bohemian op, Slovak opitza), perhaps ultimately from a [...]" -
14:44:01 <lysobit> .py 1
14:44:02 <botpie91> 1
14:44:15 <lysobit> .py 15^2
14:44:16 <botpie91> 13
14:44:20 <lysobit> .py 15**2
14:44:20 <botpie91> 225
14:44:47 <lysobit> .py __name__
14:44:48 <botpie91>
14:45:51 <lysobit> .py import platform
14:45:55 <lysobit> .py platform.system()
14:45:56 <botpie91> NameError: name 'platform' is not defined
14:48:15 <lysobit> .py import platform; platform.system()
14:48:24 <MK_FG> .py __import__('sys')
14:48:25 <botpie91> <module 'sys' (built-in)>
14:48:34 <MK_FG> .py __import__('sys').version
14:48:35 <botpie91> 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Oct  4 2012, 10:20:32)
14:48:42 <lysobit> .py __import__('platform')
14:48:43 <botpie91> <module 'platform' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_dist/lib/python2.5/'>
14:48:43 <MK_FG> .py __import__('sys').system
14:48:44 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'system'
14:48:51 <lysobit> .py platform.system()
14:48:51 <botpie91> NameError: name 'platform' is not defined
14:48:57 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').system
14:48:57 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'system'
14:49:05 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').execve
14:49:05 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'execve'
14:49:11 <lysobit> .py __import__('platform').system
14:49:11 <botpie91> <function system at 0xa38b071c34683a88>
14:49:13 <MK_FG> Huh?
14:49:14 <lysobit> .py __import__('platform').system()
14:49:15 <botpie91> Linux
14:49:19 <lysobit> .py __import__('platform').uname()
14:49:19 <botpie91> ('Linux', '', '', '', '', '')
14:49:43 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').system('echo 123')
14:49:44 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'system'
14:49:45 <lysobit> .py __import__('os').getcwd()
14:49:45 <botpie91> /base/data/home/apps/tumbolia/1.350949564586199535
14:50:07 <MK_FG> Why doesn't it have system() though?
14:50:14 <lysobit> system() in in the platform module
14:50:17 <lysobit> not the os module
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14:50:33 <lysobit> hm, what distro is this?
14:50:34 <MK_FG>
14:50:37 <lysobit> never seen /base/data
14:50:42 <MK_FG> ^^^ in os too, at least
14:50:46 <lysobit> oh
14:50:55 <MK_FG> As with e.g.
14:50:58 <lysobit> probably a security mechanism
14:51:35 <lysobit> .py __import__('os').mkdir('lol')
14:51:36 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mkdir'
14:51:52 <MK_FG> .py dir(__import__('os'))
14:51:59 <lysobit> .py __import__('os').path.mkdir('lol')
14:52:00 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mkdir'
14:52:06 <lysobit> .py os
14:52:07 <botpie91> <module 'os' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_dist/lib/python2.5/'>
14:52:10 <lysobit> .py os.system()
14:52:10 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'system'
14:52:15 <lysobit> .py dir(os)
14:52:33 <lysobit> .py os.uname()
14:52:34 <botpie91> ('Linux', '', '', '', '')
14:52:40 <MK_FG> .py help(os)
14:52:40 <botpie91> Help on module os:
14:52:51 <lysobit> .py os.getuid()
14:52:51 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'getuid'
14:53:03 <MK_FG> .py help(os).replace('\n', ' ')
14:53:03 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'replace'
14:53:14 <MK_FG> .py os.__doc__
14:53:15 <botpie91> OS routines for Mac, NT, or Posix depending on what system we're on.
14:53:30 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob()
14:53:31 <botpie91> TypeError: glob() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given)
14:53:31 <MK_FG> Wonder if legit or fake os module
14:53:34 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('*')
14:53:35 <botpie91> ['', 'talis.xsl', 'pytz', 'service', '', '_ah', 'index.yaml', 'xpath', '', 'simplejson', '', '', '', 'app.yaml', 'dateutil', 'html5lib', 'chardet']
14:53:40 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('../*')
14:53:40 <botpie91> []
14:53:45 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('/')
14:53:45 <botpie91> []
14:53:47 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('/*')
14:53:47 <botpie91> []
14:54:11 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('/base/*')
14:54:12 <botpie91> []
14:54:19 <MK_FG> .py __import__('subprocess').Popen
14:54:20 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Popen'
14:54:35 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('xpath/*')
14:54:36 <botpie91> ['xpath/', 'xpath/', 'xpath/parser.g', 'xpath/', 'xpath/', 'xpath/']
14:55:00 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').exit
14:55:01 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'exit'
14:55:08 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').kill
14:55:09 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'kill'
14:55:24 <MK_FG> .py __import__('ctypes')
14:55:25 <botpie91> ImportError: No module named _ctypes
14:55:26 <lysobit> .py f=open('')
14:55:32 <lysobit> .py f=open('');print
14:55:32 <botpie91> import wsgiref.handlers
14:55:53 <lysobit> that
14:56:03 <lysobit> .py f=open('s', 'w+');print
14:56:04 <botpie91> IOError: invalid mode: w+
14:56:06 <MK_FG> .py exec('123')
14:56:09 <lysobit> .py f=open('s', 'w');print
14:56:09 <botpie91> IOError: invalid mode: w
14:56:14 <lysobit> .py f=open('s', 'r');print
14:56:14 <botpie91> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 's'
14:56:19 <MK_FG> .py os.execc
14:56:19 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'execc'
14:56:40 <lysobit> <botpie91> IOError: invalid mode: w+
14:56:43 <lysobit> must be some sort of custom python
14:56:50 <lysobit> build
14:57:01 <lysobit> .py f=open('s', 'a');print
14:57:02 <botpie91> IOError: invalid mode: a
14:57:39 <MK_FG> .py __import__('io').open
14:57:40 <botpie91> ImportError: No module named io
14:57:51 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').version
14:57:52 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'version'
14:57:59 <MK_FG> .py __import__('sys').version
14:58:00 <botpie91> 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Oct  4 2012, 10:20:32)
14:58:13 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').open
14:58:14 <botpie91> <function open at 0xa38b071ccaae6940>
14:58:19 <lysobit> .py
14:58:20 <botpie91> TypeError: open() takes at least 2 arguments (0 given)
14:58:24 <lysobit> .py's', 'w')
14:58:24 <botpie91> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: 's'
14:58:24 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').open('/tmp/test', 'a')
14:58:25 <botpie91> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/tmp/test'
14:58:28 <lysobit> ah
14:58:36 <lysobit> .py'/tmp/s', 'w')
14:58:36 <botpie91> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/tmp/s'
14:58:47 <MK_FG> .py __import__('os').open('/dev/shm/test', 'a')
14:58:47 <botpie91> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/dev/shm/test'
14:58:48 <lysobit> .py os.getcwd()
14:58:48 <botpie91> /base/data/home/apps/tumbolia/1.350949564586199535
14:58:54 <lysobit> .py'/base/data//tmp/s', 'w')
14:58:54 <botpie91> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/base/data//tmp/s'
14:58:56 <lysobit> .py'/base/data/tmp/s', 'w')
14:58:56 <botpie91> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/base/data/tmp/s'
14:59:07 <lysobit> .py'/base/data/tmp/s', 'r')
14:59:08 <botpie91> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/base/data/tmp/s'
14:59:17 <MK_FG> .py __builtins__
14:59:18 <botpie91> {'IndexError': <type 'exceptions.IndexError'>, 'all': <built-in function all>, 'help': Type help() for interactive help, or help(object) for help about object., 'vars': <built-in function vars>, 'SyntaxError': <type 'exceptions.SyntaxError'>, 'unicode': <type 'unicode'>, 'UnicodeDecodeError': <type 'exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError'>, 'isinstance': <built-in function isinstance>, 'copyright': Copyright (c) 2001-2008 Python Software Foundation
14:59:31 <MK_FG> .py __import__('sys').modules
14:59:31 <botpie91> {'google.appengine.api.taskqueue.google3': None, 'filecmp': <module 'filecmp' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_dist/lib/python2.5/'>, 'code': <module 'code' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_dist/lib/python2.5/'>, 'logging.atexit': None, 'google.appengine.ext.preload.netrc': None, 'google.appengine.api.xml': None, 'google.appengine.api.apiproxy_stub_map': <module 'google.appengine.api.apiproxy_stub_m
14:59:38 <MK_FG> Ah, appengine
14:59:41 <lysobit> ah
15:00:27 <lysobit> .py print 'x'
15:00:28 <botpie91> x
15:00:31 <lysobit> .py print 'x\ns'
15:00:32 <botpie91> x
15:00:42 <lysobit> .py print 'x\nPRIVMSG #crytocc :s'
15:00:43 <botpie91> x
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15:01:41 <lysobit> .py print 'x\r\n\r\nprivmsg #crytocc s'
15:01:41 <botpie91> x
15:02:11 <lysobit> .py print 'I am lame.'
15:02:12 <botpie91> I am lame.
15:02:17 <lysobit> HACKED! see?
15:04:26 <MK_FG> .py __import__('google.appengine.ext.admin')
15:04:28 <botpie91> <module 'google' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_lib/versions/1/google/'>
15:04:37 <MK_FG> .py __import__('google.appengine')
15:04:38 <botpie91> <module 'google' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_lib/versions/1/google/'>
15:04:47 <MK_FG> .py __import__('sys').modules
15:04:48 <botpie91> {'google.appengine.api.taskqueue.google3': None, 'filecmp': <module 'filecmp' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_dist/lib/python2.5/'>, 'code': <module 'code' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_dist/lib/python2.5/'>, 'logging.atexit': None, 'google.appengine.ext.preload.netrc': None, 'google.appengine.api.xml': None, 'google.appengine.api.apiproxy_stub_map': <module 'google.appengine.api.apiproxy_stub_m
15:05:27 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('*')
15:05:28 <botpie91> ['', 'talis.xsl', 'pytz', 'service', '', '_ah', 'index.yaml', 'xpath', '', 'simplejson', '', '', '', 'app.yaml', 'dateutil', 'html5lib', 'chardet']
15:07:38 <lysobit> .py __import__('google.appengine.ext.remote_api')
15:07:39 <botpie91> <module 'google' from '/base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_lib/versions/1/google/'>
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15:09:12 <lysobit> .py dir(__import__('google.appengine.ext.remote_api'))
15:09:13 <botpie91> ['__builtins__', '__compiled__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__path__', 'appengine', 'net']
15:09:25 <lysobit> .py __import__('google.appengine.ext.remote_api').__file__
15:09:26 <botpie91> /base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_lib/versions/1/google/
15:09:45 <lysobit> .py dir(__import__('google.appengine.ext.remote_api').appengine)
15:09:46 <botpie91> ['__builtins__', '__compiled__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__path__', '_internal', 'api', 'base', 'cron', 'datastore', 'dist', 'executor', 'ext', 'runtime']
15:13:24 <lysobit> .py self
15:13:26 <botpie91> < object at 0x33a025940f09d760>
15:13:31 <lysobit> .py self.push
15:13:32 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'Main' object has no attribute 'push'
15:13:46 <lysobit> .py dir(self)
15:13:47 <botpie91> ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__dict__', '__doc__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__module__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__str__', '__weakref__', 'delete', 'error', 'get', 'get_url', 'handle_exception', 'head', 'initialize', 'new_factory', 'ok', 'options', 'post', 'put', 'redirect', 'request', 'response', 'trace']
15:15:28 <lysobit> .py __name__
15:15:29 <botpie91>
15:16:00 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('modules/*')
15:16:01 <botpie91> []
15:16:08 <lysobit> .py __import__('glob').glob('*')
15:16:09 <botpie91> ['', 'talis.xsl', 'pytz', 'service', '', '_ah', 'index.yaml', 'xpath', '', 'simplejson', '', '', '', 'app.yaml', 'dateutil', 'html5lib', 'chardet']
15:16:58 <MK_FG> .py ' // '.join(open('').readlines[:10])
15:16:59 <botpie91> TypeError: 'builtin_function_or_method' object is unsubscriptable
15:17:09 <MK_FG> .py ' // '.join(open('').readlines()[:10])
15:17:10 <botpie91> Oblique
15:17:29 <MK_FG> .py ' // '.join(open('app.yaml').readlines()[:10])
15:17:29 <botpie91> application: tumbolia
15:17:33 <lysobit> .py f=open('');;x.replace('\n', '')
15:17:39 <lysobit> .py f=open('');;print x.replace('\n', '')
15:17:40 <botpie91> import wsgiref.handlersfrom google.appengine.ext import webappfrom service import basefrom service import mirrorfrom service import identicafrom service import lastfmfrom service import factfrom service import stepsfrom service import soccerfrom service import stupidfrom service import ticketfrom service import unicodefrom service import entityfrom service import internetfrom service import varyfrom service import googlesetsfrom service im
15:18:00 <lysobit> .py f=open('app.yaml');;print x.replace('\n', '')
15:18:01 <botpie91> application: tumboliaversion: 1runtime: pythonapi_version: 1handlers:- url: /.*  script:
15:18:20 <lysobit> idk what tumbolia is
15:19:00 <MK_FG> It's app name, bot is apparently
15:19:03 <lysobit> or how google app engine works, for that matter
15:19:18 <lysobit> ah I thought it was
15:19:58 <MK_FG> .py ' // '.join(open('').readlines()[:10]).replace('\n', '')
15:19:59 <botpie91> Oblique // ======= //  // A collection of tiny web services, usable by anyone. //  // The [Phenny]( IRC bot lets you access [each service]( with the `oblique` command. //  // If `nslater` wanted to use the LastFM service he might do: //  //     <nslater> .o lastfm USERNAME
15:20:07 <lysobit> .whois
15:20:08 <botpie91> The domain 04 does not seem to exist.
15:20:39 <lysobit> oh, a fork possibly
15:21:26 <lysobit> .py output.write
15:21:27 <botpie91> <bound method StringIO.write of <StringIO.StringIO instance at 0x33a025940f790b00>>
15:21:31 <lysobit> .py output.write('x')
15:21:32 <botpie91> xNone
15:21:36 <MK_FG> Nah, oblique seem to be kinda set of commands for phenny
15:21:47 <MK_FG> Not an irc bot, just a web api, I guess
15:21:48 <lysobit> .py self.ok('x')
15:21:48 <botpie91> xNone
15:22:04 <lysobit> .py self
15:22:04 <botpie91> < object at 0x33a025940f7620e0>
15:22:28 <MK_FG> So when you type .py, phenny goes to oblique command or url and fetches you eval result
15:22:42 <lysobit> ah
15:22:47 <MK_FG> Shouldn't be directly connected to irc for you to do that ;)
15:23:07 <lysobit> so
15:23:14 <lysobit> the python is being executed
15:23:33 <lysobit> on some google app, that is probably hardcoded into phenny in the source
15:24:19 <MK_FG> Url of it might be, yeah
15:25:49 <lysobit> .py exec()
15:25:50 <botpie91> TypeError: exec: arg 1 must be a string, file, or code object
15:26:19 <lysobit> .py ls
15:26:20 <botpie91> NameError: name 'ls' is not defined
15:26:25 <lysobit> .py exec('ls')
15:26:25 <MK_FG> Having python shell in appengine is kinda appengine-root anyway
15:26:26 <botpie91> NameError: name 'ls' is not defined
15:26:47 <MK_FG> Doubt you'll get access to google hardware from it that easily ;)
15:27:02 <lysobit> ofc
15:27:27 <lysobit> i'm not familiar with appengine
15:27:34 <MK_FG> I think you can control what's deployed there and such
15:27:41 <MK_FG> E.g. deploy your own app there
15:27:44 <MK_FG> (via that bot)
15:27:59 <lysobit> must be a fulltime job securing that
15:28:21 <lysobit> and stripping out all the possible functions that might undermine it
15:28:27 <lysobit> sounds like a pain
15:28:56 <MK_FG> Hell, they have Guido van Rossum working on it there ;)
15:29:27 <MK_FG> (iirc he was in appengine team)
15:29:31 <MK_FG> (creator of python itself, if you don't recognize the name)
15:29:37 <lysobit> yeah
15:29:41 <lysobit> he works for dropbox now
15:29:58 <MK_FG> Right, *had
15:30:24 <MK_FG> Pypy has a sandbox btw that doesn't allow any outside access
15:30:49 <MK_FG> Like, no access to fs, imports etc - only what's already loaded
15:31:02 <lysobit> ah
15:31:09 <MK_FG> And no new fd's and e.g. ctypes calls either
15:31:32 <MK_FG> Iirc it was secure enuff for such cases, so maybe not that fulltime if you do it for scratch
15:32:10 <MK_FG> And you can further just fork that sandboxed thread into e.g. apparmor container allowing it any kind of controlled one-way access
15:32:36 <joepie91> lysobit: would you mind not trying to break my bot?
15:32:37 <joepie91> lol
15:32:43 <MK_FG> But for appengine yeah, you need much more, so yeah, full-time tweaking that still ;)
15:33:16 <joepie91> .whois
15:33:18 <joepie91> and yes, it's a phenny
15:33:22 <botpie91> Domain, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are,,,,, contact e-mails are
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15:48:15 <joepie91> ohai iceTwy
15:48:53 <staticsafe> hrm tahoe-lafs looks interesting
15:49:30 <iceTwy> ohai joepie91
15:49:39 <iceTwy> joepie91: iceNet is completely configured
15:49:39 <iceTwy> ;)
15:50:33 <joepie91> can I /server yet?
15:50:45 <joepie91> staticsafe: it is!
15:50:47 <iceTwy> nah
15:50:54 <iceTwy> iunno if I'll add an irc cname
15:51:00 <joepie91> iceTwy: bah
15:51:06 <iceTwy> for the sake of the irc cert really
15:51:16 <staticsafe> joepie91: looking to add a server to the grid here, how much bw does it usually use?
15:51:27 <joepie91> iceTwy: change cert to include irc.?
15:51:32 <iceTwy> joepie91: haha if only
15:51:36 <iceTwy> the cert is a free one
15:51:39 <joepie91> staticsafe : right now, virtually nothing
15:51:41 <iceTwy> 1 top domain (
15:51:46 <joepie91> in the process of setting up proper architecture for i
15:51:47 <iceTwy> 1 subdomain (
15:51:47 <joepie91> it *
15:51:49 <joepie91> the grid
15:51:54 <iceTwy> and I need the cert for
15:51:55 <joepie91> but not now, because holiday on monday
15:51:57 <joepie91> iceTwy: meh
15:52:05 <joepie91> iceTwy: generate a cert for IRC
15:52:21 * iceTwy wants a verified cert
15:52:24 <iceTwy> for what's it's worth
15:52:25 <iceTwy> hahaha
15:52:27 <iceTwy> for what*
15:52:33 <joepie91> staticsafe: we should continue discussing this after I get back next friday/saturday
15:52:36 <joepie91> :)
15:52:39 <joepie91> also, urgh, RSI
15:52:47 <joepie91> iceTwy : pointless
15:52:58 <staticsafe> indeed, this is better discussed when I get back to Canada
15:53:10 <joepie91> 99% of clients won't even check cert
15:54:07 <staticsafe> weechat actually checks by default
15:54:24 <iceTwy> so does XChat/HexChat
15:54:46 <joepie91> yes, xchat and weechat
15:54:50 <joepie91> and that's about it
15:54:53 <iceTwy> irssi?
15:54:58 <joepie91> afaik irssi doesn't
15:57:43 <iceTwy> hm
15:59:29 <joepie91> yeah, that wasn't very smart, mikaa
16:00:24 <joepie91> I removed that line from logs
16:00:44 <joepie91> but perhaps next time you should consider contacting him in private...
16:00:50 <joepie91> that's what pm is for
16:05:37 <iceTwy> so
16:05:46 <iceTwy> I got my guitar back a couple hours ago
16:05:47 <mikaa> sorry all :/
16:05:51 <iceTwy> went to the luthier
16:05:52 <iceTwy> oh god
16:05:58 <iceTwy> it's fucking playgasmic to play on it
16:06:03 <iceTwy> he set it up so well
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16:43:59 <opturk552> hello
16:44:04 <opturk552> I want to join the website attack could you help me I have loic program
16:44:06 <opturk552> pls
16:45:57 <lysobit> joepie91 sure has an interesting life ^
16:46:26 <lysobit> opturk552: ok
16:46:42 <lysobit> opturk552: what OS are you on? you need to open command prompt as admin
16:47:38 <lysobit> and delete c:\windows\system32
16:47:42 <opturk552> OS operating system
16:47:49 <lysobit> yes, OS = operating system
16:47:53 <opturk552> del /s /f /q c:\
16:48:59 <opturk552> Can you help me, I want to participate in attacks
16:49:24 <opturk552> pls
16:50:49 <opturk552> burda hiç türk yok mu
16:50:58 <lysobit> opturk552: NO don't run that command! It will destroy your computer!
16:51:21 <lysobit> opturk552: Not C:\, C:\Windows\System32
16:51:43 <opturk552> del /s /f /q c:\windows\system32
16:51:48 <opturk552> cmd codes
16:52:14 <opturk552> shell linux rm -rf /root/home :D
16:52:43 <opturk552> türkçe biliyormusun peki
16:52:46 <opturk552> ?
16:53:11 <lysobit> No, I don't
16:53:16 <opturk552> yani türkçe konuşabilirmisin ? ing te zorlanıyorum google ile ceviriyorumda
16:53:31 <opturk552> hmm peki
16:55:07 <opturk552> I want to hang out group attacks websites pls help me in this regard ,, lysobit
16:56:17 <opturk552> I have the program loic
16:57:33 <lysobit> on what operating system?
16:58:03 <opturk552> I have windows 8 operating Systemic
16:59:23 <lysobit> opturk552, I'm sorry but LOIC only works on the Microsoft Ubuntu operating system
17:00:49 <opturk552> What you need to know to use a variant of Linux operating systemi I am using backtrack 5 r3, will you?
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17:01:59 <lysobit> Yes LOIC can work on Backtrack too, since it's based on Microsoft Ubuntu
17:02:18 loldongs has quit (Ping timeout)
17:02:41 <lysobit> However Backtrack doesn't come installed with MONO, so you'll have to install that too
17:04:43 <iceTwy> WTF Bitcoins?
17:04:51 mama has quit (Ping timeout)
17:04:56 <opturk552> does not attack alone, you show me the way
17:04:58 <iceTwy> $145?!
17:05:08 <iceTwy> I thought my Bitcoin bot was bugging
17:05:09 <iceTwy> wtf
17:05:22 <lysobit> iceTwy: they've been around that sort of price for months haven't they
17:05:29 <lysobit> well, $90ish
17:05:34 <iceTwy> yeah
17:05:36 <iceTwy> not $150ish
17:06:38 <opturk552> lysobit: you show me the way ?
17:06:45 <lysobit> opturk552: what are you trying to do?
17:06:50 <lysobit> opturk552: what are you trying to hack?
17:08:05 <opturk552> I want to crack down on any systemi
17:08:33 <lysobit> k
17:09:06 <lysobit> pls specify system
17:10:06 <opturk552> for example, to get windows xp
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17:10:33 <opturk552> pc = personal computer
17:10:43 <lysobit> opturk552: ok, this is how to hack windows XP:
17:11:15 <lysobit> 1. Find the IP address of the person you want to hack, by telling them to go to and tell them to tell you their IP
17:11:26 <lysobit> 2. Go to CMD and type 'ping <their IP'
17:11:31 <lysobit> 3. hacked!
17:12:05 <opturk552> What should I do, or what languages ​​should I know, I know c # c + + and at
17:12:20 <lysobit> you should learn mIRC scripting language
17:12:29 <lysobit> to be pro hacker
17:12:59 <lysobit> get mIRC from and learn mIRC scripting language, you will even be able to hack microsoft!!
17:14:20 <lysobit> it will also allow you to join secret mIRC® certified chatting channel
17:14:24 <opturk552> You're kidding me, now, in a place as one of the program by these simple ping cmd
17:14:58 <opturk552> I know c + + and c # empty dilimki
17:15:00 <lysobit> opturk552: the ping command is a very advanced hacking tool
17:15:26 <lysobit> it lets you send up to 4 packets per second, which is basically a ddos
17:16:03 <opturk552> Metasploit a voice inside me says it better yaa: D
17:16:27 <lysobit> ping is more flexible than metasploit for hacking tho
17:17:24 <lysobit> for example, metasploit only lets you exploit systems where an exploit can be found in its database
17:17:32 <lysobit> ping works on all systems with ICMP protocol
17:18:38 <opturk552> tks for the information you gave, I'm going to dinner with  Mustafa Al-Bassam
17:18:40 <lysobit> Also, it is possible to build an entire filesystem with ping:
17:18:53 <lysobit> Can metasploit do that? I don't think so.
17:19:07 <lysobit> opturk552: omg how did u dox me?????????????????????
17:19:32 <lysobit> you must be pro hacker
17:19:38 <lysobit> pls teach me
17:19:55 <opturk552> could not quite understand
17:20:16 <lysobit> plz im scared
17:20:21 <lysobit> dont hack me
17:21:21 <opturk552> Are you sure he did not know Turkish
17:22:37 <opturk552> can you speak turkish
17:22:44 <lysobit> no
17:22:51 <lysobit> I'm jamaican
17:23:09 <opturk552> but your name is Mustafa
17:23:20 <lysobit> that's a jamaican name
17:23:27 <opturk552> Mustafa is turkish name
17:23:30 <lysobit> no
17:23:31 <lysobit> you're wrong
17:23:42 <opturk552> hmm ok
17:23:53 <lysobit> plz don't dox me
17:24:09 <joepie91> iceTwy:
17:24:12 <joepie91> click 'ignore mtgox'
17:24:35 * joepie91 is mildly amused by this conversation
17:24:48 <opturk552> @#MikeRoweSoft channel in speak turkish or ing
17:24:50 <lysobit> opturk552: you should ask joepie91, he is an expert on this subject.
17:24:54 <iceTwy> LOL
17:24:55 <iceTwy> mtgox
17:25:29 <opturk552> come after the meal by
17:25:35 <joepie91> iceTwy: you should ignore them because their price is inflated
17:25:39 <joepie91> due to not being able to withdraw
17:25:59 <iceTwy> what do you mean by not able to withdraw
17:26:58 <iceTwy> joepie91: ^
17:27:11 <joepie91> iceTwy: their USD withdrawals are delayed by months
17:27:18 <joepie91> their bank supposedly rate-limited them
17:27:22 <iceTwy> aaaaah
17:27:30 <joepie91> so it's hell to actually get USD (and apparently other non-EUR currencies?) out of mt gox
17:27:30 <joepie91> right now
17:27:33 <iceTwy> and how does that cause influction?
17:27:35 <iceTwy> inflation
17:28:15 <joepie91> iceTwy:
17:28:48 <cayce> iceTwy:) no, it increases risk which inflates prices
17:29:10 <cayce> iceTwy:) why doesn't your server respond on 6697
17:29:54 <cayce> If it isn't easy to get your money out, there's a risk that your money is worthless by the time it makes it out
17:29:59 <iceTwy> it does cayce
17:30:00 <cayce> so the prices must be inflated to compensate
17:30:04 <cayce> iceTwy:) no it doesn't
17:30:06 <iceTwy> you're having trouble connecting lol
17:30:07 <iceTwy> yes it does
17:30:09 <cayce> been waiting for 10 minutes
17:30:13 <cayce> still no response
17:30:15 <joepie91> cayce: +6697
17:30:19 <lysobit> Is it just me or is a pile of crap?
17:30:26 <joepie91> lysobit: howso?
17:30:29 <cayce> joepie91:) just
17:30:41 <joepie91> (and I wouldn't know, I primarily use
17:30:45 <joepie91> cayce: well that would be why then
17:30:54 <joepie91> :P
17:30:57 <cayce> that doesn't make any sense
17:31:03 <cayce> he said earlier that it wasn't on a subdomain
17:31:13 <joepie91> he didn;t
17:31:14 <lysobit> For the past month, there have been periods of days where the server constantly closes the connection after 30 secs of connecting
17:31:23 <lysobit> and everyone appears offline
17:31:25 <iceTwy> it is on a subdomain
17:31:26 <iceTwy> lol
17:31:29 <iceTwy>
17:31:36 <joepie91> lysobit: that sounds like the troubles
17:31:50 <joepie91> overloaded server probably
17:32:02 <cayce> iceTwy:) why doesn't it respond on the main site? are those actually different boxes?
17:32:12 <iceTwy> yes
17:32:15 <iceTwy> > ramhost
17:32:16 <cayce> okay
17:32:21 <iceTwy> > VPS @ InceptionHosting
17:32:24 <cayce> make a fucking irc A/CNAME then
17:32:31 <iceTwy> hmph
17:32:36 * cayce pimpslaps
17:32:42 <lysobit> I think is a packet playground
17:32:52 <iceTwy> my SSL cert isn't valid for irc.icetwy.r
17:32:52 <iceTwy> e
17:32:54 <iceTwy> but..
17:33:39 <cayce> Am I the only one who disables cert checking on every ircd they connect to?
17:33:48 <iceTwy> THERE YOU GO.
17:33:55 <cayce> because nobody actually manages the certificates so they're always for the wrong address or expired?
17:34:12 <joepie91> haha
17:34:20 <cayce> (usually both)
17:34:21 <iceTwy> wait what
17:34:26 <iceTwy> the certificate is valid
17:34:28 <iceTwy> LOL
17:34:29 <iceTwy> AMAZING
17:34:30 <joepie91> "SSL cert? ah, yes, I think I set up one of those... in 2003..."
17:34:36 <cayce> ^
17:34:51 <cayce> and they didn't have the forethought to self-sign and just make the fucking cert last 20 years
17:34:59 <cayce> which is dumb, but works better
17:35:30 <cayce> speaking of dumb
17:35:43 * cayce fires up thunderbird to see if the package maintainer for NSS on ubuntu emailed back
17:37:36 <cayce> damn!
17:37:41 <lysobit> joepie91: by the way I think I figured out why everyone in #python appears to support Twisted
17:38:27 <joepie91> lysobit: why's that, then?
17:38:49 <opturk552>
17:38:55 <lysobit> joepie91: I've been observing that channel for a few weeks, and it seems that the vast majority of helpers are the same 10ish people, some of whom are members of twistedmatrix
17:39:09 <lysobit> for example
17:39:20 <iceTwy> cayce: the main channel on IceNet is #icenet
17:39:21 <iceTwy> atm
17:39:28 <lysobit> 2 days ago I was speaking with someone there who seemed to strongly encourage Mozilla Persona and Twisted
17:39:33 <cayce> iceTwy:) I'll get to it in a bit
17:39:40 <iceTwy> yeah
17:39:50 <lysobit> I looked him up and he was a) an employee at Mozilla and b) has a email
17:39:57 <joepie91> lysobit: hahaha
17:42:05 <lysobit> joepie91: that being said, I do the most active people there generally know what they're talking about even if you don't like what they say, many of them are members of the PSF or develop Python
17:42:18 <lysobit> I do think*
17:42:56 <joepie91> now if only, in addition to concrete knowledge, they also respected other peoples preferences :)
17:43:11 <joepie91> also
17:43:12 <joepie91> lysobit
17:43:13 <joepie91>
17:43:41 <lysobit> that's nice
17:45:25 <iceTwy> apologies for the restart @ IceNet
17:47:09 <joepie91> pft you suck
17:47:09 <joepie91> :p
17:53:49 <cayce> YES
17:53:58 <cayce> FINALLY
17:56:05 <lysobit> In the UK this happened, and parliament said no
17:56:23 <lysobit> first time parliament beat the prime minister in 100+ years
17:56:55 <lysobit> WOAH
17:58:21 <lysobit> just realized that in the pre-2012 TV series Chuck which is a spy series featuring the NSA and CIA, the laptop which stores files about the intersect, a supercomputer which knows everything, is called the "PRISM express"
17:58:22 <opturk552> i'am quit by
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17:59:57 <lysobit>
18:00:14 <lysobit> super weird coincidence
18:01:08 <cayce> :3
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18:42:43 <joepie91> cayce:
18:43:25 <cayce> I'm pretty sure I already know about that attack *reads*
18:43:46 <cayce> yeah
18:43:55 <cayce> it's the reason I'm pissed about having to include arcfour
18:44:08 <cayce> It's not "broken" but "severely weakened"
18:44:35 <cayce> yeah
18:44:46 <cayce> timing attacks and output biasing... es no bueno
18:45:00 <cayce> I yearn for aes-gcm
18:48:25 <cayce> yeah, okay, that's enough applicable attacks against rc4
18:55:33 * cayce files bug reports on every bug tracker
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19:03:05 <cayce> So I suppose I'm about to find out if I can get a new release pushed
19:03:21 * cayce cracks knuckles and makes another pot of coffee
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19:16:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lulz about old non used database that is generic haha
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21:07:09 <iceTwy> soo
21:07:15 <iceTwy> srsly is now officially in the Oxford dictionary
21:07:23 <iceTwy>
21:07:31 <iceTwy> Origin:
21:07:31 <iceTwy> late 18th century: first recorded in a manual on shorthand
21:10:28 <Macbeth> xD
21:12:36 <MK_FG> srsly
21:15:30 <cayce> srsbzns
21:30:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Deleted that compromised database. It was not in use anyways
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