Cryto! 26 July 2013
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04:37:10 <ElectRo`> http://www.justice.gov/usao/nj/Press/files/Drinkman,%20Vladimir%20et%20al.%20Indictment%20News%20Release.html
04:37:18 <ElectRo`> snitches are bitches
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08:57:28 <joepie91> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57595529-38/feds-tell-web-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/
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09:47:48 <monod> helo
09:49:05 <monod> let me know this about the _NSAKEY: since it's a priv/pub key affair, the only capabilities for someone to use those keys is to have the private key, which is hopefully kept secret. Is this right?
09:49:21 <monod> So that there's no possibility to write any POC to exploit that?
09:49:38 <monod> MK_FG: can I PM you?
09:50:20 <monod> another question is about GPG used to encrypt emails:
09:50:47 <monod> suppose I use hotmail or gmail or facebook or other email providers as my main one.
09:51:01 <monod> they *have* my emails.
09:52:57 <monod> But, if I do use GPG encryption/signing, are they still able to read them as well as when I did not use GPG encryption? Or GPG makes any email provider unable to read and (automatically) analyze the emails' contents? (automatically making the email provider service behaving as ethical provider, I mean)
09:53:12 <monod> gotta go for some time
09:53:24 <monod> I'll be back.
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10:05:15 <MK_FG> I think the point of the earlier cnet piece - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57595202-38/feds-put-heat-on-web-firms-for-master-encryption-keys/ - was that fe-ds wanted private keys from companies
10:05:27 <MK_FG> But dunno what _NSAKEY is
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10:43:24 <YuKy> hi guys how can I register a channel?
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10:47:52 <joepie91> YuKy: currently, you cannot (as services are down temporarily) - but as you seem to have found out already, you can create a channel by just /join'ing it
10:48:29 <YuKy> ok thnak you joepie91
10:48:53 <joepie91> when services are back up again, a global message will be sent out
10:50:26 <YuKy> ok
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11:06:17 <monod> MK_FG: yup, I read that article, but it was - as you pointed out - a different story
11:06:36 <monod> the _NSAKEY is the famous thing back in 1999
11:06:54 <monod> e.g., http://cryptome.org/nsakey-ms-dc.htm
11:07:22 <monod> that's a drama-free email correspondence between Microsoft and a guy from epic.org
11:07:33 <monod> Electronic Privacy I.... Center
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11:08:55 <monod> and I know that highlighting has the same effect of PMs, but.. it's better to ask, I think.
11:09:24 <markov> bye
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11:11:50 <joepie91> well, that wasn't a long visit
11:12:17 <monod> that of markov?
11:12:22 <monod> (lulz, it was an italian guy)
11:12:31 <joepie91> yes, that of markov :P
11:12:59 <monod> oh, joepie91, I think you can answer that NSAKEY question
11:13:09 <monod> I think it would be easy for you to do so actually
11:13:22 <monod> because it's just priv/pub key encryption, if I don't go wrong
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11:13:32 <norbert79> Good morning
11:13:47 <monod> Good morning norbert79.
11:13:59 <monod> and I basically asked if there was no possiliities to use that second key, since it's priv/pub mechanism
11:14:27 <joepie91> hai norbert79 :)
11:14:33 <norbert79> ohai :)
11:14:41 <joepie91> norbert79: again, stuff is publicly logged etc., you can prevent a line from being logged by prefixing it with [off]
11:14:49 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
11:14:49 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-26#T11-14-49
11:14:53 <norbert79> Understand, thanks
11:15:12 <joepie91> then again, pretty sure at-bs is logged so you're probably already used to it
11:15:13 <norbert79> Nice method I must say
11:15:22 <joepie91> indeed
11:15:30 <monod> first guy to say so.
11:15:31 <monod> lulz
11:15:31 <norbert79> Aye, I used to have my own channel logged too, but then gave up on it
11:15:33 <monod> joking
11:15:40 * joepie91 didn't write the bot, just made a modification
11:15:53 <joepie91> https://github.com/joepie91/multiloggy
11:16:24 <norbert79> joepie91: Hmm, will take a look. I use an eggdrop based bot
11:16:37 <joepie91> this is... phenny-ish
11:16:49 <joepie91> iirc it's technically based on the same IRC code that phenny was built on
11:16:50 <joepie91> not quite the same though
11:17:02 <norbert79> Understand
11:17:05 <joepie91> we also have a phenny here :)
11:17:07 <joepie91> .bitcoin
11:17:08 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $96.02, 1 BTC = €72.75
11:17:14 <norbert79> .help
11:17:20 <joepie91> .info
11:17:22 <joepie91> .version
11:17:23 <joepie91> hm
11:17:25 <norbert79> hah
11:17:26 <monod> lulz
11:17:28 * joepie91 forgot the standard commands
11:17:33 <norbert79> looks like I am not the only one having issues
11:17:35 <joepie91> anyway, there's a bunch of interesting commands
11:17:36 <norbert79> :)
11:17:37 <joepie91> .license wtfpl
11:17:39 <botpie91> Do WTF You Want To Public License v2 (WTFPL-2.0): The WTFPL is almost a public domain grant. It is super-permissive. Basically, do whatever you want. http://www.tldrlegal.com/license/do-wtf-you-want-to-public-license-v2-(wtfpl-2.0)
11:17:52 <monod> .destructomatch
11:17:55 <monod> oh :(
11:17:57 <joepie91> .license cc by-sa
11:17:58 <botpie91> Sorry, could not find any licenses for that search term.
11:18:00 <joepie91> hrm
11:18:05 <joepie91> it always has issues with CC licenses
11:18:12 <joepie91> .license cc sa
11:18:13 <botpie91> Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (CC-SA): This creative commons license is very similar to the regular Attribution license, but requires you to release all derivative works under this same license. You must give credit to the original author of the work, state their name and the title of the original work, say that you modified the work if you did and include the attribution logo, found on their website <a href="http://creativecom
11:18:15 <joepie91> there we go
11:18:40 <joepie91> monod: http://cryto.net/destructomatch !
11:19:10 <monod> yeeee
11:20:01 <norbert79> joepie91: I host a webby+durby method, bit modified... It might be useful here too... Grabbing URL headers
11:21:15 <joepie91> norbert79: URL headers?
11:21:30 <norbert79> Yes, so when you paste a link it grabs the title and uses a short URL method too
11:21:36 <norbert79> if the link is too long
11:21:43 <norbert79> and returns it to the chat
11:21:55 <norbert79> let me do an example from my channel:
11:22:08 <norbert79> [13:04:10] < norbert79> Interesting material from 1993: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/739760-anchory.html#document/p1
11:22:11 <norbert79> [13:04:11] <@FatCatBot> Anchory ( http://is.gd/5qYJBB )( 200; text/html; utf-8; 2130 bytes )
11:22:18 <norbert79> Sometimes it adds more info
11:23:02 <monod> oh yes, those are very common
11:23:21 <norbert79> Not even mentioning as being a great help too
11:23:37 <joepie91> argh, short URLs D:
11:23:40 <monod> because they give an idea of what an URL is almost instantly
11:23:47 * joepie91 stares evilly at FatCatBot
11:24:00 <norbert79> No, it decrypts and encrypts into short-URL too
11:24:09 <norbert79> paste a short-URL, it looks up what the link is about
11:24:20 <joepie91> norbert79: you haven't ever read the urlteam site? :|
11:24:45 <joepie91> http://urlte.am/
11:24:48 <norbert79> Not really, I am busy with lot of things
11:24:52 <norbert79> ok, let's take a look
11:24:57 <joepie91> primarily the first paragraph or so
11:25:13 <monod> "url shortening was a fucking awful idea." HAHAHAHA
11:25:20 <monod> pretty direct.
11:26:04 <norbert79> Well, yeah, but comes handy if you IRC from a smartphone
11:26:15 <norbert79> or from a regular terminal with no copy-paste :)
11:27:36 <norbert79> I am crazy enough to do IRC from my old 486 sometimes using FreeDOS or an SSH connection to some host and check links with arachne
11:27:46 <norbert79> Or arachnoid
11:27:54 <norbert79> Anyway, DOS based webbrowser
11:27:57 <norbert79> Ugly, but works
11:28:13 <joepie91> norbert79: just get a client that lets you work around that then :P
11:28:32 <norbert79> (I don't do this often, but I like to see how much possibilites have my 486 to offer)
11:28:51 <monod> encomiable
11:29:18 <norbert79> Thank you
11:29:32 <monod> I say because I (try and) do the same :D
11:30:24 <norbert79> I got addicted to command line based of things, and as result I landed at archiveteam where I could thank joepie91 inviting me here :)
11:30:57 <norbert79> I was always a command line user, but I have always had more fun with old things
11:30:59 <monod> oooh that's why you talk this much! Usually new people joining here does not stay very long or talk any much
11:31:23 <norbert79> Well, I could go on for hours, but I try not to become the Doctor from the USS Voyager ;-)
11:31:29 <monod> haha
11:31:36 <monod> you can PM-spam me at any time
11:31:52 <monod> (a general 'you')
11:32:11 <monod> (with interesting things though. :D)
11:32:15 <norbert79> well, if you have similar interests, may I show you a link, which is basically a place I spend almost my major time?
11:32:22 <monod> of course.
11:32:23 <norbert79> It's basically a telnet based game
11:32:26 <monod> hahah
11:32:32 <norbert79> telehack.com works through http and telnet
11:32:41 <monod> I have a telnet movie if you want, but it's well-known out in the web
11:32:50 <norbert79> it has that too :)
11:33:05 <monod> haha, guessed it xD
11:33:09 <joepie91> Star Wars?
11:33:12 <norbert79> Aye
11:33:12 <monod> yup.
11:33:18 <joepie91> :P
11:34:10 <monod> (for similar effects on a more daily environment, I recall a VLC plugin that streams video with characters rather than actual pictures)
11:34:19 <norbert79> basically my host itself telehack.org is kind of a support site/fan like site for that... I host gopher, BBS (way not being finished), a Wiki and a pastebin (also have an OpenTTD server running, my bot, and some other things)
11:34:34 <norbert79> Wiki and pastebin goes through https
11:35:34 * monod lags.
11:35:38 <norbert79> but it needs more work to get it run finally as designed
11:38:40 <monod> I didn't fully understood "basically my host itself telehack.org is kind of a support site/fan like site for that".
11:39:35 <norbert79> telehack.com was the game. I joined in 2011 and I got so addicted, that I started making an own site as sort of a support for the game. I first took over the Telehack Wikia site, then thought it would be better having my own Wiki
11:39:53 <monod> oh alright
11:39:54 <monod> wow.
11:39:56 <monod> :D
11:40:03 <monod> an enthusiast
11:40:05 <norbert79> Indeed
11:40:47 <norbert79> well, more, than that by now... Got admin authorization by now, got access to the code itself :)
11:41:12 <norbert79> although the game has been slow lately
11:41:44 <norbert79> I mean from the perspective of amount of visitors and activity
11:42:27 <norbert79> Hah, port 22? :)
11:42:53 <monod> me?
11:42:57 <norbert79> Yes
11:43:06 <monod> I recall telnet being something else than 22
11:43:11 <monod> 21?
11:43:12 <norbert79> No, within the game :)
11:43:13 <monod> 23?
11:43:16 <norbert79> 23 btw
11:43:23 <monod> FTP21
11:43:39 <monod> hmm, at the moment it seems the BBS login
11:43:40 <norbert79> Yes, but within the game a users port doesn't refer to the real port being used :)
11:43:47 <norbert79> The game runs at telehack.com
11:43:49 <norbert79> not org
11:44:01 <norbert79> org is my site, .com is the game itself
11:44:03 <monod> oooh
11:44:03 <monod> haha
11:45:11 <norbert79> do a 'finger'
11:45:21 <norbert79> you will see current connected users
11:45:54 <monod> finger: telehack.org(com): no such user
11:46:04 <monod> hmm I guess I mistyped the command
11:46:06 <norbert79> within the game
11:46:10 <norbert79> finger @telehack.com
11:46:15 <monod> oh ok
11:46:18 <norbert79> in regular UNIX/Linux
11:46:22 <monod> well, still not in the game :D
11:46:37 <norbert79> oh, I see, well, I woke someone elses interest for sure :)
11:47:55 <monod> I'm sorry if sometimes I don't seem very responsive, it's just that sometimes I genuinely don't understand english logical phrase construction :(
11:48:30 <norbert79> I understand. Is English not your first language or are other reasons behind?
11:48:42 <monod> /whois
11:48:43 <monod> :D
11:48:51 <monod> not native, in fact.
11:48:52 <norbert79> can be anything, but let's see :)
11:48:56 <monod> hehe
11:49:10 <norbert79> Ah, Italian, I see... I am not English either :)
11:49:59 <monod> WHAT?? they give you an email address!
11:50:14 <norbert79> Where?
11:50:23 <monod> telehack.org, which is yours?
11:50:39 <norbert79> Aye, the BBS offers this possibility in default, but doesn't really work well right now
11:50:47 <norbert79> the BBS is using the Synchronet engine
11:50:56 <norbert79> as told, the most configuration must be done with the BBS
11:51:05 <monod> right.
11:51:06 <norbert79> again: work in progress :)
11:51:46 <norbert79> The issue is, that while the BBS comes with default mailing I still need to convince the BBS to use my system-used mailing instead of it's own one
11:52:26 <norbert79> and first I still need to setup the system mailing properly
11:52:34 <norbert79> it is working, it's just not perfect
11:52:48 <monod> I would really like to be much more into these things, but I always feel I don't have time because I have to study and I don't know where to start from (I have a short period of time of experience programming)
11:53:04 <monod> and I also would like help in programming
11:53:20 <norbert79> I started no different... my home host, which I use as a gateway to many things is an EeePC 701 with an external USB HDD attached
11:53:31 <norbert79> I even started using Linux from 2003
11:53:38 <monod> gosh
11:53:42 <norbert79> so I am pretty young in this aspect too :)
11:53:50 <monod> I was a kid back then xD
11:54:01 <monod> anyway
11:54:14 <norbert79> well, to be fair I use PC's since 1994, but I guess I am much older, than you are :)
11:54:28 <monod> guess so, from your nickname
11:54:33 <norbert79> exactly
11:54:41 <monod> ok.
11:55:02 <norbert79> anyway, feel free to wander around, if you need help, tell me
11:55:13 <norbert79> Now I see you connecting
11:55:14 <norbert79> :)
11:55:14 <monod> wander? (checking a dict....)
11:55:18 <monod> (yes :D)
11:55:29 <norbert79> walk around, like going on a hill
11:55:33 <norbert79> wandering
11:55:38 <monod> yup
11:56:01 <monod> 'starwars' haha
11:56:22 <monod> 'Free Kevin !'
11:56:27 <norbert79> if you register yourself with 'newuser' you have lot more possibilities
11:57:02 <monod> can I register a temporary account?
11:57:07 <monod> just to take a test ride
11:57:18 <norbert79> sure, I can rfemove your account any time if you wish
11:57:21 <norbert79> *remove
11:57:24 <monod> ok
11:57:28 <monod> Trying...
11:58:31 <norbert79> Now I sneak upon you ;)
11:58:49 <monod> "You have mail @"
11:58:56 <monod> "You have mail\n @"
11:59:02 <norbert79> Yes... Like in a regular UNIX system
11:59:05 <monod> 'read'?
11:59:06 <monod> o
11:59:08 <monod> h
11:59:09 <monod> mail"
11:59:11 <monod> ?
11:59:13 <norbert79> Right
11:59:30 <norbert79> Damn, that mail should be changed
11:59:31 <norbert79> lol
11:59:36 <norbert79> I will modify that later
11:59:44 <monod> lulz
12:00:08 <norbert79> ok, you got your first badge
12:00:15 <monod> lulz, what's that?
12:00:18 <norbert79> there are around 40 to collect
12:00:22 <monod> hahaha
12:00:35 <monod> now I recall it was the game site
12:01:02 <norbert79> you can check your stats using 'finger monod' and show your status on different things using 'show'
12:02:00 <norbert79> do help or help/all
12:02:04 <norbert79> help /all I mean
12:02:15 <monod> too late - quest issued :D
12:02:24 <monod> "preparing your challenge..."
12:02:47 <norbert79> it's creating a quest for you, but actually the "win" from that is nothing right now
12:02:52 <norbert79> Quests should be reworked too
12:03:03 <norbert79> it helps you starting the game although
12:03:13 <monod> so it's a fictional cracking game?
12:03:18 <monod> is it*
12:03:36 <norbert79> Yes
12:03:40 <norbert79> but partially a museum
12:03:45 <monod> uhm
12:03:47 <norbert79> of old ARPANET/old Internet
12:03:59 <monod> this is what it was like?
12:04:01 <norbert79> some of the servers have their original banners too
12:04:03 <norbert79> Yes
12:04:08 <monod> are you serious??
12:04:09 <norbert79> Not a perfect simulation
12:04:18 <monod> I wished I could see this for a long time
12:04:43 <norbert79> reply with 'talk <port> or norbert79'
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13:41:58 <joepie91> whoop whoop!
13:42:37 <joepie91> YuKy: can't send a global yet, but services are back, so you can register channels using chanserv now
13:44:32 <MK_FG> monod, Now I'm finally here, can PM if there's still any need for it ;)
13:44:41 <MK_FG> Lemme check teh backlog
13:48:38 <joepie91> ohai MK_FG
13:48:47 <MK_FG> monod, Convo you linked about NSA_key seem to be about answering the question...
13:48:59 <norbert79> hi MK_FG
13:49:07 <MK_FG> monod, ..."who has the keys to sign CSP libs ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_Service_Provider )"
13:49:23 <MK_FG> monod, And states that it's not only Microsoft, but NSA as well
13:49:54 <MK_FG> monod, Meaning that they can backdoor these libs, sign them and ship them even as a part of windows out of the box
13:50:29 <MK_FG> monod, So it seem fairly unrelated to GPG, which I don't think uses CSP in any way
13:51:47 <MK_FG> monod, Some other PGP implementation might use it however, then such backdoored CSP can naturally leak all the things, but it has probably full access to the system at all times (being run as highly-privileged uid's), so if there's random NSA code, it can have/do all on the machine
13:51:54 <MK_FG> Hi joepie91 norbert79 ;)
13:52:16 <MK_FG> Your nicks look kinda similar, are you guys related? ;)
13:54:15 <norbert79> Sort of... He lured me from #archiveteam-bs
13:54:17 <norbert79> :)
13:54:31 <MK_FG> That evil bastard! ;)
13:54:59 <norbert79> Exactly :D
13:56:21 <MK_FG> Dunno if it's universal, but today's Sysadmin Day here (last Fri of July)
13:56:53 <MK_FG> So \o/ for all the people here, who probably are ;)
13:57:32 <MK_FG> It's customary for sysadmins to break out of offices, bathe in fountains and beat the shit out of annoying users
13:58:20 <MK_FG> (today, that is... it'd be just "nice" for other days)
14:12:04 <norbert79> well, we have that over here too
14:16:34 <monod> sorryyyy, this Konversation does not flash upon messages
14:18:42 <norbert79> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-barnaby-jack-dead-20130726,0,6428162.story
14:18:53 <norbert79> Professed pacemaker hacker Barnaby Jack dies ahead of Black Hat conference
14:22:54 <monod> MK_FG: of course the GPG question was unrelated to the NSAKEY thing. For the GPG question, I meant: if I send GPG encrpyted emails, am I sure that email providers cannot analyze them?
14:23:38 <MK_FG> They can't read them, yes
14:23:44 <MK_FG> But there are some things to consider
14:23:53 <MK_FG> Like, Subject: line usually left unencrypted
14:24:06 <monod> regarding the NSA key, the question was: since it's a priv/pub key type of crytptography, the _NSAKEY alone wouldn't allow doing anything harmful, while it's the combination of that _NSAKEY (public) and the other paired private key which allows the owner of the priv key to modify the system?
14:24:12 <MK_FG> (same for all other headers, which actually constitute "metadata")
14:24:24 <monod> MK_FG: oh, so sender, receiver
14:24:29 <monod> and other stuff
14:24:33 <MK_FG> Also, gpg with just long-term keys doesn't have deniability properties
14:24:35 <monod> headers
14:24:48 <monod> what do you mean by that?
14:25:50 <MK_FG> That by looking at emails' ciphertext and gpg keys, email provider or anyone can tell that it's you who wrote them
14:26:11 <MK_FG> (unless you don't use ad-hoc one-time keys and publish them later)
14:26:29 <monod> (wow)
14:26:30 <MK_FG> s/don't//
14:26:38 <monod> heh
14:26:39 <MK_FG> Anyways, I'm off to get drunk
14:26:43 <norbert79> haha
14:26:46 <monod> oh :(
14:26:47 <monod> ok
14:26:58 <norbert79> have fun :)
14:27:05 <monod> have a nice <don't know what is called>
14:27:11 <monod> drinking?
14:27:12 <norbert79> evening? :)
14:27:16 <monod> anything XD
14:27:24 <monod> ends in -ing, sounds good.
14:27:29 <IR601> wanking
14:27:33 <monod> can I still PM you whyile afk, MK_FG?
14:27:56 <monod> IR601: how often do you get drunk by wanking?
14:28:04 <monod> trollface
14:28:09 <IR601> lol
14:28:22 <IR601> too much spillage
14:28:36 <monod> :O
14:29:04 * norbert79 hits head... GET THIS IMAGE OUT OF MY HEAD
14:29:17 <norbert79> me and my imagination
14:29:22 <IR601> :D
14:29:34 <monod> haha, now I like the fact I don't comprehend 100% of English
14:29:59 <monod> anyway, that game is a drug norbert79, I can't stop thinking at it and it really feels like it's a time-machine, to me
14:30:16 <monod> we will talk more about that in some other occasions
14:30:35 <norbert79> haha
14:30:36 <monod> for example, is there any possibilty to host a relay to that?
14:30:47 <norbert79> My evil plan has worked, sucked in another one :D
14:31:11 <norbert79> no, but ircuplink is a bot on the game which transmits all messages to OFTC network #telehack-relay
14:31:19 <norbert79> you can't message back, but you can still follow
14:31:36 <norbert79> also, the main channel is OFTC channel's #telehack
14:31:47 <monod> what is OFTC for?
14:31:52 <monod> the acronym
14:31:59 <norbert79> OFTC is a network... Open.. wait
14:32:04 <monod> (I know it's an IRC server)
14:32:12 <norbert79> Open and Free Technology Community
14:32:25 <monod> yep, googled as well
14:32:25 <norbert79> similar to Freenode, just with better license and people :)
14:32:29 <monod> oh
14:32:42 <norbert79> and their services are more stable
14:32:44 <monod> can't believe it, but it sounds like a good introduction
14:32:52 <norbert79> many projects are there
14:32:58 <monod> I will give it a look
14:33:01 <monod> not now tho
14:33:29 <norbert79> http://www.oftc.net/constitution/ - just an interesting page why I have chosen OFTC
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15:24:22 <monod> byebye guys!
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16:06:56 <norbert79> joepie91: Any new zPanel stories?
16:06:57 <norbert79> :)
16:08:09 <joepie91> well, that's interesting, looks like someone else is using my nickname again: http://www.antiessays.com/profile/Joepie91/885024
16:08:26 <joepie91> I guess that brings the total amount of people persistently using my nickname to 3?
16:08:29 <joepie91> norbert79: nah
16:08:49 <norbert79> my nickname is used sometimes too, but I own most of the time this name
16:09:26 <norbert79> Join date 13.dec.2012
16:09:56 <joepie91> there's now apparently one Dutch guy (in Groningen) using my name on travel review sites
16:10:02 <joepie91> and one Kansas guy using it on there
16:10:15 <joepie91> plus a bunch of people that have temporarily used it in the past to cause chaos, but not counting those
16:10:17 <norbert79> Interesting
16:10:21 <joepie91> that mostly happened on IRC, so not persistent :P
16:10:28 <norbert79> might fans of yours
16:10:31 <joepie91> doubtful
16:10:31 <norbert79> Might be
16:10:35 <norbert79> How comes?
16:10:53 <joepie91> the Groningen guy has been around for quite a while
16:10:55 <norbert79> oh, wait: http://www.joepie.be/
16:10:58 <zxcvbnm> There are 832,000 results on Google for "zxcvbnm".
16:11:07 <joepie91> and the Kansas guy... if I had such a fanbase, that'd probably be manifested in ways other than using the same nick
16:11:15 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: not really a fair comparison :P
16:11:22 <joepie91> norbert79: yes, 'joepie' is Dutch for 'yay'
16:11:23 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: tomato tomato
16:11:28 <joepie91> and Flemish
16:11:29 <norbert79> Aaah
16:11:32 <norbert79> That explains it
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16:11:38 <joepie91> it also says Joe Pie
16:11:38 <joepie91> :P
16:11:57 <norbert79> norbert79 -> around 8690 hits
16:13:06 <zxcvbnm> when am I not going to have to type and use a mouse and just send electrical impulses via my brain?
16:13:19 <norbert79> zxcvbnm: Ask Stephen Hawking
16:13:28 <norbert79> he might give his device to you
16:13:32 <zxcvbnm> zzzzzzing
16:14:08 <zxcvbnm> do you have his email ?
16:14:21 <norbert79> Hmm, Sheldon Cooper might have it :)
16:14:37 <zxcvbnm> hehe
16:14:47 <zxcvbnm> you got that one laying around? he and I aren't on first name basis yet
16:15:26 <lady-3jane> I suppose I have to ask who barnaby jack is, since everyone is whoa'ing over his death
16:15:49 <zxcvbnm> barnaby jack = capt. kangaroo
16:15:56 <norbert79> Former hacker
16:16:12 <norbert79> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwMuMSPW3bU
16:16:13 <norbert79> him
16:16:16 <lady-3jane> clear as mud
16:17:58 * lady-3jane copies it into textfile for later opening
16:21:50 <lady-3jane> does the video tell what he did?
16:22:04 <lady-3jane> and his history, and the relevance
16:23:12 * lady-3jane doesn't revere people, so sorry if it seems brash
16:28:18 <joepie91> lady-3jane: he did the "Jackpotting ATMs" presentation at blackhat
16:28:31 <joepie91> and showed how to exploit insulin pumps
16:28:33 <joepie91> and, apparently, pacemakers
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16:53:20 <lady-3jane> oh, okay
16:53:24 <lady-3jane> yes I've heard of those things
16:53:25 <lady-3jane> :>
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18:52:26 <lady-3jane> DUDE :D
18:52:34 <lady-3jane> there's a wow quest called two if by boat
18:52:35 <lady-3jane> I LOVE IT
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19:23:17 <joepie91> YuKy: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
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21:04:51 <joepie91> YuKy: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
21:05:14 <joepie91> also, pretty awesome cinematography: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWuBGRKiyU0&hd=1
21:09:02 <YuKy> sorry
21:09:55 <YuKy> but in the old channel was used so
21:10:37 <YuKy> however
21:13:28 <YuKy> we are a communiti of the italian darknet, we count on the forum more than 2000 active members, OFTC shot our channel down..There is a problem if we move here??
21:14:48 <YuKy> sorry 4 my bad english
21:16:16 <YuKy> we don't trade CP or something like this
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21:17:58 <YuKy> but we do not do things their are properly legal... is thi a problem for this magnificent IRC server?
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21:26:53 <YuKy> SpaghettiCode, scusa se ti disturbo ma sembri ita -_-
21:29:28 <lolpwn> YuKy: l2 [off]
21:29:57 <YuKy> hum?
21:31:57 <joepie91> YuKy: basically, don't get me or the network in trouble
21:32:28 <joepie91> YuKy: http://wiki.cryto.net/doku.php?id=irc:rules
21:32:40 <YuKy> ok tnx
21:33:02 <YuKy> I think we will be fine
21:33:50 <YuKy> when we can register nickname and the channel?
21:33:56 <joepie91> that should be possible now
21:33:57 <joepie91> services are back
21:34:07 <YuKy> nice
21:34:20 <joepie91> also, another note: like every other IRC network, Cryto can't be assumed to be secure (because the servers see everything in plaintext)
21:34:48 <joepie91> if you have private things to discuss with people, I'd strongly recommend client-to-client encryption such as OTR or FiSH
21:35:06 <joepie91> this goes for every IRC network, though
21:35:13 <YuKy> ok
21:36:40 <YuKy> but we all connect via tor, the important is that they don't track the real ip, but is impossible
21:36:59 <joepie91> information leaks are just as harmful as IPs, if not more harmful :)
21:37:11 <YuKy> and many connect vpn> tor
21:37:19 <joepie91> if you're telling one person who you are, and then on the same network tell another person something private, it's not hard to connect the two together
21:37:26 <joepie91> if the network were ever compromised
21:38:02 <YuKy> ok, I understand, thanks for everything;)
21:38:08 <joepie91> np
21:39:34 <YuKy> on behalf of the entire Italian community I tell you that we are proud to be popped in here. good luck 4 everything
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21:49:01 <joepie91> well, that's interesting
21:49:02 <joepie91> https://github.com/cryptocat/cryptocat/issues/361
21:49:15 <joepie91> looks like someone decided to link kaepora to Cryto Todo :P
21:49:45 <joepie91> hmm, I think I know that person
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22:46:57 <YuKy> sorry guys but here what is the command for channel registration?
22:47:19 <lolpwn> msg chanserv register #{channelname}
22:47:21 <lolpwn> I believe.
22:49:03 <YuKy> thanks
22:54:52 <lolpwn> no problem
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23:54:25 <lolpwn> decided to write encryption function. that went over well
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