Cryto! 17 June 2013
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09:26:42 <haless.cryto.net> Users on #crytocc: loggy ShadowDemon iceTwy snowy foolex joepie91 Rabbit baliah aHlTat &MK_FG cr[a]tes lady-3jane YW crytocc-c truetravesty &ebola raymii waflel Ishaq IR601 @SpaghettiCode AppleJack Xeross|AFK vld twitchyliquid64
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10:45:35 <ShadowDemon> freakin' ruby
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10:45:40 <ShadowDemon> makes me wanna shoot myself
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12:47:43 <ShadowDemon> I have been working on getting this darn lighttpd to display run ruby on fastcgi
12:47:57 <ShadowDemon> It has failed far too many times for my sanity to be maintained
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15:01:12 <ShadowDemon> http://tracks.versidyne.com/
15:01:35 <ShadowDemon> Well, I got it ruby working with apache2 and proxied it through lighttpd
15:01:49 <ShadowDemon> Such a sad workaround, but it works for the meantime, lol
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16:03:54 <crytocc-c> Robert Clarke admits to hacking ramnode
16:03:56 <crytocc-c> -..-
16:09:48 <crytocc-c> STUPID SOLUS...
16:09:49 <crytocc-c> $db->query( 'SELECT * FROM clients WHERE username=\'' . $username . '\' AND password=\'' . $sha1password . '\'' );
16:10:03 <crytocc-c> they don't even clean the variable!!!
16:14:37 <joepie91> it's Solus, of course they don't
16:18:36 <joepie91> .bing test
16:18:37 <botpie91> joepie91: http://www.test.com/
16:18:40 <joepie91> .bin
16:18:41 <joepie91> er
16:18:42 <joepie91> .bing
16:18:43 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/search.py", line 126, in bing)
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16:19:56 <joepie91> .bing
16:19:56 <lolpie91> joepie91: .bing what?
16:19:56 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/search.py", line 126, in bing)
16:20:03 <joepie91> good
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16:21:23 <crytocc-c> joepie91 should I release solusvm vuln's
16:21:30 <crytocc-c> like a few zero-day vuln's
16:21:50 <joepie91> crytocc-c: send them to solusvm
16:21:58 <joepie91> if no response within reasonable timeframe, publish
16:23:01 <crytocc-c> I have sent them to solus before
16:23:08 <crytocc-c> 3 weeks ago I did, I got no response from them.
16:26:36 <crytocc-c> common, really solusvm...
16:26:54 <crytocc-c> trying to reverse the obfuscation
16:28:01 <crytocc-c> "$db->query( '' . 'SELECT company,emailaddress FROM clients WHERE clientid =\'' . $sdata['resellerid'] . '\'', true );"
16:28:05 <crytocc-c> ugh, just no.
16:30:06 <crytocc-c> brb
16:30:29 <joepie91> crytocc-c: if no response, then publish on full-disclosure
16:30:34 <joepie91> do not forget to include the disclosure timeline
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16:32:09 <joepie91> .bing
16:32:09 <botpie91> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/search.py", line 126, in bing)
16:32:12 <joepie91> hm
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16:32:34 <joepie91> .bing
16:32:34 <botpie91> joepie91: .bing what?
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16:41:12 <mama> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower
16:48:20 <iceTwy> .bing joepie91
16:48:21 <botpie91> iceTwy: http://anonymousjoepie91.wordpress.com/
16:48:29 <iceTwy> there ya go joepie91
16:49:31 <joepie91> lol
16:49:37 <joepie91> .google joepie91
16:49:42 <joepie91> .g joepie91
16:49:43 <botpie91> joepie91: https://twitter.com/joepie91
16:49:53 <joepie91> .yahoo joepie91
16:51:12 <iceTwy> but, crytocc-c: have you seen http://localhost.re/p/solusvm-11303-vulnerabilities?
16:58:00 <lady-3jane> .g lady-3jane
16:58:01 <botpie91> lady-3jane: https://twitter.com/lady3jane
16:58:07 <lady-3jane> ha ha ha
16:58:37 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: what kind of a picture is that
16:58:40 <iceTwy> on your twitter profile
16:58:41 <iceTwy> ?!
16:58:45 <iceTwy> .g iceTwy
16:58:46 <botpie91> iceTwy: http://icetwy.wordpress.com/author/icetwy/
16:58:54 <iceTwy> .bing iceTwy
16:58:55 <botpie91> iceTwy: http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/iceTwy/
16:58:55 <lady-3jane> iceTwy:) it's not mine
16:59:03 <iceTwy> oh is it not
16:59:19 <lady-3jane> iceTwy:) I only use this nick here :P
16:59:29 <iceTwy> hah
16:59:34 <iceTwy> you don't fancy self promotion do you
16:59:45 <lady-3jane> er, no
17:00:10 <iceTwy> for some reason, if you dug a bit, I'm pretty sure you'd find my real name
17:00:13 <iceTwy> on le interwebs
17:00:15 <lady-3jane> I got some head-twisted looks from the local occupy when I refused to put my name on the work I did
17:00:18 <iceTwy> not that I give two fucks but yeah
17:00:24 <lady-3jane> or indeed, anyone's name other than the local occupy
17:00:36 <iceTwy> oh
17:00:48 <iceTwy> funny. the Occupy movement never grew in France.
17:01:00 <lady-3jane> lotta "why wouldn't you take credit for your work?"
17:01:13 <lady-3jane> lotta people who don't understand how collective work works
17:01:20 <iceTwy> indeed
17:01:38 <lady-3jane> I had to give an extreme example, but it seemed to work
17:02:05 <iceTwy> satisfy my curiosity and tell me the example you used
17:02:32 <lady-3jane> what happens if I'm hit by a bus tomorrow?
17:02:52 <lady-3jane> It would make my name irrelevant, but the contributions would not be
17:03:15 <lady-3jane> legacy needs no name
17:04:52 <lady-3jane> it's like... putting my name on it doesn't change what I did, or the people it may help. And those who worked with me on it will always remember, they don't need me to be identified. They remember what it felt like.
17:05:14 <lady-3jane> It's an extremely uncommon line of thinking
17:05:25 <iceTwy> I would contest your view over one single point even though I mostly agree with it
17:05:52 <iceTwy> say you're a scientist who's made previous research in a field; you use your previous research in new papers
17:06:18 <iceTwy> if your previous research was wrong, then people who'd read the new papers would figure out that it would be mistaken
17:06:24 <iceTwy> they*
17:06:50 <iceTwy> rather than looking out for -why- and how those new papers were wrong
17:07:05 <iceTwy> so, in a way, the source has a certain role
17:07:07 <lady-3jane> so you're pointing out a single example where attribution could be important, whereas in the context I'm presenting it, it is not
17:07:09 <iceTwy> not crucial, definitely, but still
17:07:20 <iceTwy> well I could present a bunch more examples
17:07:31 <iceTwy> if I had time, but that I lack
17:07:38 <lady-3jane> none of which would be the context within which I presented my argument :)
17:07:55 * lady-3jane laughs
17:08:15 <lady-3jane> and really, I don't put my name on much anyway
17:08:24 <lady-3jane> even in scenarios where attribution /is/ important
17:08:52 <iceTwy> true. staying anonymous is frankly enjoyable
17:08:58 <lady-3jane> call it... lasting side effects from my childhood, and leave it at that
17:09:58 <iceTwy> I won't inquire about that, I suppose
17:10:00 <lady-3jane> and while I have reversed most of my imbued bad behavior, I don't find that one to be a behavior I particularly dislike, or that will disadvantage me in a significant way
17:10:40 <lady-3jane> But I also do not seek approval or support from others when doing something, so only my guages of success are important
17:11:49 <lady-3jane> oh, speaking of which, I have coffee to grab
17:13:17 <lady-3jane> you know what pisses me the fuck off? opera 15 isn't even going to be released for linux
17:13:24 <iceTwy> lolopera
17:13:30 <lady-3jane> I want to fly to oslo and kill them all
17:13:34 <lady-3jane> except that's been done before
17:13:36 <iceTwy> hey
17:13:36 <lady-3jane> >_>
17:13:38 <iceTwy> you're not breivik
17:13:55 <lady-3jane> haha no, and they have a good reason for it too
17:13:56 <iceTwy> also, opera would be great IF it had addons
17:14:04 <lady-3jane> I'm just pissed since opera 15 is so sexy on mac
17:14:24 <iceTwy> I have a question that bugs me
17:14:28 <lady-3jane> cause it's pretty much chrome canary with a bunch of shit removed
17:14:35 <iceTwy> I wonder whether Chromium tracks you just as much as Chrome
17:14:40 <lady-3jane> it does not
17:14:48 <iceTwy> or, does Google implement the tracking stuff into Chrome rather than Chromium
17:14:52 <lady-3jane> ^
17:14:55 <iceTwy> cool
17:15:02 <iceTwy> then I may use Chromium for a looooong time
17:15:07 <lady-3jane> you can strip even more shit out of chromium
17:15:10 <lady-3jane> so it's not track-free
17:15:17 <iceTwy> yeah, I've already done that
17:15:19 <lady-3jane> but it's much much less than chrome
17:15:29 <lady-3jane> if you grab something like iron browser, you'd be gold
17:15:36 <lady-3jane> it's chromium minus shittons
17:15:38 <iceTwy> I've used SRWare Iron
17:15:40 <iceTwy> buuuuuut
17:15:41 <lady-3jane> yeah
17:15:44 <iceTwy> it's not uptodate
17:15:45 <iceTwy> like
17:15:47 <lady-3jane> nope
17:15:51 <lady-3jane> they lag
17:15:51 <lady-3jane> :)
17:15:52 <iceTwy> whenever there is a release, I WANT a release
17:16:09 <lady-3jane> I don't, I want the release after
17:16:10 <lady-3jane> lol
17:16:19 <iceTwy> probably some childhood causes to that haha
17:16:19 <lady-3jane> chrome 27's out? I'm lusting for 29 :D
17:16:26 <iceTwy> lmao
17:16:29 <iceTwy> use the nightly builds
17:16:33 <lady-3jane> mostly cause 28 is first to be blink
17:16:41 <lady-3jane> and 29 will have all those millions of lines of webkit rm'd
17:16:43 <iceTwy> my Samsung Galaxy S2 runs on CM10.1 nightlies for example
17:16:47 <iceTwy> oh will it?
17:16:54 <lady-3jane> 28 probably already does
17:17:07 <lady-3jane> they cut webkit down from 15.8mloc to like 8.xmloc
17:17:29 <lady-3jane> got rid of all the build systems and cut out font rendering engines only apples use etc
17:17:36 <lady-3jane> big fuckin cleanse
17:17:39 <lady-3jane> that's 28
17:17:46 <lady-3jane> 29 is the stuff that comes after :)
17:17:46 <ShadowDemon> .g ShadowDemon
17:17:47 <botpie91> ShadowDemon: http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Shadow_Demon
17:17:52 <ShadowDemon> .bing ShadowDemon
17:17:54 <botpie91> ShadowDemon: http://www.shadowdemoncoalition.com/
17:17:57 <lady-3jane> .bing lady-3jane
17:17:58 <botpie91> lady-3jane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer
17:18:01 <lady-3jane> YES
17:18:07 <lady-3jane> BING, WITH THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWER
17:18:14 <lady-3jane> AHAHAHAHA
17:18:28 <lady-3jane> proof that it's for old people and idiots
17:18:29 <lady-3jane> <3
17:18:30 <iceTwy> DO EXPLAIN?
17:18:36 <lady-3jane> sure
17:18:38 <iceTwy> yeah, but I'm young.
17:18:39 <iceTwy> :<
17:18:53 <lady-3jane> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessier-Ashpool#The_essay
17:19:02 <lady-3jane> ^ that's the essay my char wrote
17:19:38 <lady-3jane> it's a beautiful piece of writing, and NAILS what villa straylight feels like
17:20:00 <iceTwy> I feel that my background music fits this essay perfectly
17:20:02 <iceTwy> somehow
17:20:15 <iceTwy> ambiant/atmospheric black metal from an utterly unknown band
17:20:22 <iceTwy> gosh I love those unknown bands
17:20:59 <lady-3jane> mmm
17:21:09 <lady-3jane> yeah, <3 that book
17:21:16 <lady-3jane> need to finish the series
17:21:25 <ShadowDemon> bbl all
17:21:28 <ShadowDemon> sleep time
17:21:29 <iceTwy> bai ShadowDemon
17:21:35 <ShadowDemon> o/
17:21:36 <lady-3jane> The Tessier-Ashpool family owns the mainframe to which one of their two artificial intelligences, Wintermute, is attached. As the computer hardware is located in Bern, Switzerland its resident AI thereby has limited Swiss citizenship "under their equivalent of the Act of '53". The other AI, Neuromancer, is housed within another family-owned mainframe located in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
17:21:38 <lady-3jane> <3
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17:22:09 <lady-3jane> If you've never whois'd me, that will make less sense than it should
17:22:18 <iceTwy> ah
17:22:20 <iceTwy> lemme do so
17:22:43 <iceTwy> Lady 3Jane Marie-France Tessier-Ashpool
17:22:50 <lady-3jane> :)
17:22:57 <iceTwy> couldn't have used a Frenchy-er character, could you
17:23:13 <lady-3jane> nope
17:23:18 <lady-3jane> :3
17:23:41 <lady-3jane> which reminds me, I need to learn italian and spanish
17:23:46 <iceTwy> well, I live in Paris. feel free to come by anytime you want!m
17:23:51 <lady-3jane> kinda scared of the italian women
17:23:54 <lady-3jane> oh, woot
17:24:02 <lady-3jane> yeah someday I may visit
17:24:10 <lady-3jane> I'll probably work in .eu somewheres
17:24:28 <lady-3jane> aiming for UN work, but eu would be cool too
17:24:41 <iceTwy> so you'd like to work for the UN?
17:24:44 <lady-3jane> yap
17:25:15 <lady-3jane> something .int
17:25:20 <lady-3jane> I don't wanna get stuck in american pols
17:25:31 <iceTwy> derp, America
17:25:46 <lady-3jane> which is why I'm international studies + global affairs
17:25:56 <iceTwy> I spent approx. 90 days in America, on both the East and West coasts
17:26:02 <lady-3jane> couple years I'll have a degree in each
17:26:04 <iceTwy> don't get me wrong, it was cool.
17:26:14 <iceTwy> but some American just seem to be... plain retarded.
17:26:19 <lady-3jane> yes
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17:27:06 <iceTwy> now I wasn't the only one to hold that opinion, amongst our family (of 4)
17:27:07 <lady-3jane> “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
17:27:10 <lady-3jane> --asimov
17:27:22 <iceTwy> thanks, you just summed it up
17:27:28 <lady-3jane> I know :)
17:27:29 <lady-3jane> :P
17:27:33 * lady-3jane is good at that
17:27:48 <lady-3jane> I... had a weird thing in class one time
17:27:58 <lady-3jane> we were doing basic "read this text and summarize to class" work
17:28:06 <lady-3jane> and nobody else could accurately summarize it
17:28:13 <lady-3jane> maybe I just got a derp group, but fuck
17:28:33 <iceTwy> I can't synthetize things, unfortunately.
17:28:46 <iceTwy> that's one of my defaults you'll find in both my written and oral works
17:28:53 <iceTwy> or just verbal speech
17:29:51 * lady-3jane nods
17:29:57 <iceTwy> even when I try to prepare something in my mind before actually speaking
17:30:18 <iceTwy> one time, I wrote a little essay
17:30:30 <lady-3jane> one of the only things I'll give myself credit for is being unnaturally good at synthesizing knowledge and compressing it into vastly smaller spaces
17:30:34 <iceTwy> it had to be 2.5k words, I went full-blown and wrote 7k
17:30:42 <iceTwy> ah, you're lucky ;)
17:30:52 <lady-3jane> I'd have handed in the 7k one
17:30:53 <lady-3jane> lol
17:31:01 <lady-3jane> Either I'm tackling the subject or I'm not
17:31:01 <lady-3jane> lol
17:31:01 <joepie91> lol
17:31:06 <joepie91> teachers here set a max size
17:31:10 <joepie91> for essays etc
17:31:19 <joepie91> (most of them at least)
17:31:30 <lady-3jane> I was in a speech class, was supposed to give 6m speech
17:31:36 <lady-3jane> gave 11.5m, set the class record
17:31:47 <lady-3jane> I still wasn't done, they cut me off
17:31:49 <lady-3jane> lol
17:31:55 <iceTwy> yeah, but you didn't lose track of what you wanted to say
17:31:59 <lady-3jane> all off a little notecard with a few bulletpoints
17:32:00 <iceTwy> I actually do
17:32:00 <lady-3jane> nope
17:32:11 <iceTwy> dunno how I could fix this really
17:32:15 <lady-3jane> When I'm focusing on something, I'm excruciatingly articulate
17:32:22 <lady-3jane> practice and study
17:32:29 <lady-3jane> practice yourself, study others who are good
17:32:42 <iceTwy> recommendations in particular?
17:32:52 <lady-3jane> None, I've only learned from friends
17:33:18 <lady-3jane> which I guess now that I think about it, some of their names do carry weight
17:33:19 <lady-3jane> haha
17:33:27 * joepie91 has issues with talks
17:33:31 <joepie91> / speches
17:33:31 <lady-3jane> but I don't weight people on the weight their name has (for previous reasons)
17:33:33 <joepie91> speeches *
17:33:38 <joepie91> I much prefer a Q&A format
17:33:49 <lady-3jane> I'
17:33:50 <joepie91> ask me shit, I will answer and trail off to an entire story about it
17:34:00 <lady-3jane> I'll only do q+a if I've given a speech about it first
17:34:01 <joepie91> also makes for more interesting speeches
17:34:05 <joepie91> for me, it's basically
17:34:08 <iceTwy> same if I'm proficient enough on a subject
17:34:17 <joepie91> "hi, I'm Sven, I'm doing X, it's this and this and that, ask me questions"
17:34:33 <joepie91> well, I wouldn't do a speech on a topic if I weren't proficient i it
17:34:34 <joepie91> in *
17:34:39 <joepie91> that said
17:34:40 <lady-3jane> well if I've given a speech on it... having done that tells me a lot of prerequisite actions have been made
17:34:47 <joepie91> I can only recall two non-school speeches I've done
17:34:53 <joepie91> one on Anonymous
17:35:01 <joepie91> and one on the Occupy movement and camp here
17:35:05 * lady-3jane nods
17:35:10 <joepie91> the former was in a squat, the latter was at a school
17:35:14 <iceTwy> yeah, I talked at Occupy Paris as well
17:35:24 <joepie91> anonymous speech was a spoken timeline, with Q&A afterwards
17:35:33 <iceTwy> nah, it wasn't Occupy Paris; protest against ACTA
17:35:36 <joepie91> occupy speech was an introduction, with 90% of the remaining time being Q&A
17:35:40 <joepie91> and we had to cut it off
17:35:40 <iceTwy> a protest which you seem to oppose joepie91
17:35:42 <lady-3jane> I don't give speeches, usually people throw me up in front of a crowd and yell a subject at me while I walk to the podium
17:35:42 <joepie91> because the lesson ended
17:35:44 <lady-3jane> it's annoying as shit
17:35:50 <joepie91> iceTwy: mm?
17:35:52 <snowy> http://youtu.be/hnMPQmIPibE
17:36:07 <joepie91> I have no issue doing speeches, as long as they can be largely Q&A format
17:36:07 <joepie91> :P
17:36:26 <joepie91> I'd rather answer questions about what people want to know, than fire a pile of info at them that they _don't_ want to know
17:36:27 <iceTwy> joepie91: on your blog, you posted an article where you argued that protests against freedom-restricting Internet laws had no purpose
17:36:30 <lady-3jane> my french teacher threw me up in front of the class and goes "tell the class a little about your major"
17:36:30 <iceTwy> or something along that line
17:36:33 <joepie91> iceTwy: correct
17:36:38 <lady-3jane> so I spoke for 10 minutes
17:36:39 <joepie91> but this has only become relevant after the first few protests
17:36:39 <lady-3jane> >_>
17:36:45 <iceTwy> ah, yeah
17:36:54 <lady-3jane> context
17:36:57 <lady-3jane> pay attention to context
17:37:02 <iceTwy> because I do believe that our protests alongside Jeremie Zimmerman helped push ACTA off the cliff
17:37:16 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: in this case I had no time to read the full article
17:37:37 <lady-3jane> unless he included context, that's not what I mean
17:38:08 <iceTwy> herp?
17:38:13 <lady-3jane> It was written or published while certain things were going on, and if you're trying to interpret a writing about an event so specific outside of the context within which it was written, you're a fool
17:38:26 <lady-3jane> :P
17:38:39 * lady-3jane is a giant pain in the ass
17:39:18 <iceTwy> but you'd have to know the context first of all; when I clearly didn't
17:39:23 * iceTwy is a giant pain in the ass
17:39:24 <iceTwy> :D
17:39:45 <lady-3jane> then you better get it :D
17:39:54 <lady-3jane> or you can't accurately analyze the piece
17:39:55 <lady-3jane> :)
17:40:13 <lady-3jane> oh god, that reminds me of the other problem
17:40:16 <iceTwy> you want to have the final world
17:40:18 <iceTwy> derp
17:40:20 <iceTwy> word
17:40:22 <iceTwy> HERP
17:40:26 <iceTwy> fucking finals tomorrow
17:40:28 <iceTwy> noooo
17:40:28 <iceTwy> :<
17:40:30 <lady-3jane> derp harder
17:40:31 <lady-3jane> :D
17:40:49 <lady-3jane> but anyway, I see lots of people who assume I'm being fuzzy with my language and sorta nonspecific
17:41:01 <lady-3jane> but like, when I'm making an argument I write crunchy text :/
17:41:13 <iceTwy> crunch dat text
17:41:15 <lady-3jane> I'm like nonofuckyou, read it again
17:41:28 <iceTwy> that reminds me someone
17:41:29 <lady-3jane> <3 crunch
17:41:33 <iceTwy> whose name I shall not disclose
17:41:46 <lady-3jane> you could have just left it at "that reminds me someone"
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17:41:52 <lady-3jane> :P
17:42:04 <iceTwy> oh well
17:42:06 <lady-3jane> because now you have tempted all here to try and get the person's identity
17:42:06 <lady-3jane> :P
17:42:22 <lady-3jane> I've had coffee and I'm feeling niggly
17:42:23 <lady-3jane> :>
17:42:23 <iceTwy> fuggedaboutit
17:42:36 <iceTwy> I'm having finals tomorrow and I'm feeling stressed
17:42:36 <iceTwy> derp
17:42:45 <lady-3jane> mmhmm
17:42:51 <lady-3jane> that's why I'm in liberal arts
17:42:55 <lady-3jane> it's impossible to be stressed
17:43:11 <iceTwy> hmph
17:43:14 <iceTwy> i'm in sciences
17:43:14 <iceTwy> so
17:43:15 <iceTwy> herp
17:43:44 <lady-3jane> because tests are mainlining coffee and writing really poignant essays that take exactly the opposite position of the normal one
17:44:06 <iceTwy> pft
17:44:11 <lady-3jane> I was the only person in my class to argue that political science was not a science
17:44:14 <lady-3jane> made me laugh
17:44:21 <iceTwy> so what did they say about it
17:44:32 <lady-3jane> everybody just follows what the teacher says
17:44:37 <lady-3jane> but she gives people "options"
17:44:42 <lady-3jane> so I took the other
17:45:01 <iceTwy> hmm
17:45:13 <lady-3jane> it's actually a really solid argument to make
17:45:20 <lady-3jane> there's a lot to back it up
17:45:25 <iceTwy> well, matter of fact; I have my hist-geo final tomorrow.
17:45:37 <lady-3jane> sounds easy
17:45:43 <iceTwy> not with 45 chapters
17:45:54 <lady-3jane> my geography class had about that many
17:46:02 <iceTwy> a shitty teacher throughout the year who teaches you, well, incorrect/inaccurate things
17:46:06 <lady-3jane> some 700 page behemoth
17:46:07 <lady-3jane> it was great
17:46:15 <iceTwy> geography derp
17:46:19 <iceTwy> history all the way
17:46:26 <lady-3jane> It was awesome, actually
17:46:39 <lady-3jane> presenting models for population growth and dispersal
17:46:58 <lady-3jane> modeling changes in populations as a result of the industrial revolution, etc
17:46:58 <iceTwy> dispersial's simple
17:47:00 <lady-3jane> super fun
17:47:07 <iceTwy> dispersal*
17:47:20 <lady-3jane> and all directly applicable to analyzing marketing campaigns
17:47:25 <iceTwy> but we're focused on France, and, to another extent, the European Union
17:47:26 <lady-3jane> :>
17:47:32 <lady-3jane> yes
17:47:36 <lady-3jane> eurocentricity
17:47:50 <iceTwy> oh you and your americanism
17:47:54 <lady-3jane> my geog teacher was indian, so we focused on asiaish
17:47:58 <iceTwy> oh derp
17:48:05 <lady-3jane> :P
17:48:10 <lady-3jane> lot more people there, lot more to see
17:48:12 <lady-3jane> :P
17:48:16 <iceTwy> my english teacher (she's retired at the end of this year! yeah) LOVED Indian stories
17:48:33 <iceTwy> she loved 'em so much, that in EVERY English test this year, we had something about India
17:48:36 <lady-3jane> apparently I was the token athiest in the class
17:48:37 <lady-3jane> it was great
17:48:39 <iceTwy> and if not, Bangladesh & co
17:48:57 <lady-3jane> she was like "how can you not believe in a God?"
17:49:07 <iceTwy> *sigh*
17:49:16 <lady-3jane> "Because I've seen no conclusive proof that one, or many, exists"
17:49:20 <iceTwy> have you read The God Delusion?
17:49:23 <lady-3jane> nope
17:49:27 <lady-3jane> dawkins, right?
17:49:28 <iceTwy> haah
17:49:29 <iceTwy> do
17:49:30 <iceTwy> yeah
17:49:31 <lady-3jane> nope
17:49:36 <lady-3jane> will never read anything by him
17:49:46 <iceTwy> y?
17:49:49 <lady-3jane> he's just the same as the other side
17:50:10 <iceTwy> well, alright, he's butthurt
17:50:17 <lady-3jane> he's an asshole is what he is
17:50:24 <iceTwy> hey
17:50:25 <iceTwy> no
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17:50:28 <iceTwy> rather
17:50:31 <iceTwy> arguments?
17:50:34 <lady-3jane> doesn't mean he's wrong, but it also doesn't mean I have to read his shit
17:50:34 <lady-3jane> lol
17:50:45 <iceTwy> then if you've never read anything by him
17:50:49 <iceTwy> how'd you know he's a dick
17:50:50 <iceTwy> lol
17:51:00 <lady-3jane> watched interviews with him, and panels he's on
17:51:27 <iceTwy> please let my bring my sort-of-fan-boy, totally invalid arguments:
17:51:36 <lady-3jane> lel
17:51:37 <iceTwy> 1. he teaches at Oxford!!&111
17:51:45 <iceTwy> 2. researcher in genetics!1111
17:51:55 <iceTwy> 3. gud scientific view on réligion!!11
17:52:05 <lady-3jane> 1: names carry no weight with me
17:52:07 <lady-3jane> 2: good!
17:52:18 <iceTwy> and three?
17:52:20 <lady-3jane> 3: yeah okay, but I don't share his militant-ism
17:52:35 <iceTwy> you know what
17:52:45 <iceTwy> I'd just prefer religion to be a private thing, sort of
17:52:55 <iceTwy> don't want to have to give a fuck about people and their religions
17:53:03 <iceTwy> but then they shouldn't either when it comes to me
17:53:03 <snowy> Dawkins had a christmas show where he sat by a log fire reading out the abusive mail he had received from 'christians' :D
17:53:30 <iceTwy> in fact I'm going to be a christian for.. 30 mins
17:53:40 <lady-3jane> at your death?
17:53:45 <iceTwy> naaah, right now
17:53:51 <iceTwy> I need God to gimme some water so I can take a shower
17:54:00 <iceTwy> pretty fucking dirty as it is
17:54:05 <lady-3jane> I accepted god into my heart, at one point. No measurable change so I figured it was bullshit and moved on
17:54:16 <lady-3jane> lmao
17:54:23 <iceTwy> do you honestly want to know at which point I accepted God?
17:54:36 <iceTwy> alright
17:54:39 <lady-3jane> I will pilgrimage to Jerusalem at some point, though
17:54:46 <iceTwy> it was at a school-organized mass, when I was 10
17:54:50 <lady-3jane> I want to see real mosques
17:55:02 <iceTwy> my whole grade was here, etc, AND LET ME FINISH MY LIFE STORY
17:55:04 <iceTwy> HMKYA?
17:55:05 <lady-3jane> NO
17:55:07 <lady-3jane> NEVER
17:55:10 <iceTwy> I'M BUTTHURT
17:55:16 * lady-3jane LOLOLOLOL
17:55:20 <iceTwy> and so I was hitting on this girl, right?
17:55:29 <iceTwy> I mean, had a cute little crush at 10
17:55:37 <iceTwy> but then it didn't work out
17:55:40 <lady-3jane> but really, I think photos can't do justice to the geometric shapes on the inside of mosques
17:55:43 <lady-3jane> yap
17:55:46 <iceTwy> so I let religion aside, and years later became an atheist
17:55:47 <lady-3jane> like every 10yo boy
17:55:47 <lady-3jane> :)
17:55:56 <iceTwy> photos?..
17:56:03 <lady-3jane> yes
17:56:04 <iceTwy> no, dude
17:56:08 <lady-3jane> you been in a mosque?
17:56:11 <iceTwy> obviously
17:56:17 <iceTwy> Istanbul
17:56:18 <iceTwy> Sophia
17:56:21 <lady-3jane> ye
17:56:24 <iceTwy> amazing mosque
17:56:25 <lady-3jane> hagia sophia
17:56:44 <iceTwy> also went to a few Iranian mosques, because, well, I'm a second-generation Iranian immigrant
17:56:48 <iceTwy> my dad's straight from Iran
17:56:50 <lady-3jane> :D
17:56:53 <iceTwy> **NSA log begins**
17:56:54 <lady-3jane> woot
17:57:01 <lady-3jane> begins? been running the whole time
17:57:02 <lady-3jane> lol
17:57:07 <iceTwy> alright
17:57:17 <lady-3jane> I'm stateside, assume anything I see they do too
17:57:20 <iceTwy> **NSA active data inspection beginning**
17:57:23 <lady-3jane> lulz
17:57:31 <lady-3jane> but yeah
17:57:33 <iceTwy> i hez tor & proxy & vps!!11
17:57:36 <iceTwy> or not
17:57:38 <lady-3jane> istanbul is a place I'd like to see someday
17:57:43 <iceTwy> and mosques in Ispahan, Iran
17:57:52 <lady-3jane> something about 2.5kyo buildings next to skyscrapers
17:57:53 <iceTwy> in the middle of the fucking sand desert
17:57:56 <iceTwy> are like, wow
17:58:06 <iceTwy> but turkey's falling apart
17:58:08 <iceTwy> with le Erdogan
17:58:10 <lady-3jane> yeah
17:58:22 <lady-3jane> I don't care, I'll find a local
17:58:30 <lady-3jane> I don't do the tourist thing
17:59:12 <lady-3jane> my favorite was going to see downtown san francisco with nothing but a map I'd scrawled on a piece of paper
17:59:35 <iceTwy> sounds hipster-ish
17:59:42 <iceTwy> anyhow
17:59:48 <lady-3jane> the only thing better than that is to find a local who can show the non-tourist cool places
17:59:49 <iceTwy> yes, I hate huge tourist tours as well
17:59:51 <iceTwy> ridiculous
17:59:56 <lady-3jane> hipster? you mean poor :D
18:00:12 <lady-3jane> I don't own a smartphone, and I'm going into a city where pretty nearly everyone has one
18:00:13 <lady-3jane> lol
18:00:16 <iceTwy> well I'd assume that you can find a decent WiFi connection in downtown SF
18:00:18 <iceTwy> aaaah
18:00:21 <lady-3jane> wifi?
18:00:23 <lady-3jane> for what
18:00:24 <iceTwy> well indeed, I went to SF
18:00:31 <iceTwy> didn't read you hadn't a smartphone
18:00:33 <iceTwy> don't mind me
18:00:35 <lady-3jane> oh
18:00:38 <iceTwy> hey
18:00:42 <lady-3jane> I said I had a map, not a laptop
18:00:42 <lady-3jane> lol
18:00:44 <iceTwy> hey
18:00:50 <iceTwy> afk shower
18:00:53 <lady-3jane> kk
18:00:55 <iceTwy> (and I had the last word)
18:00:58 <iceTwy> (herheheheheh)
18:02:44 <lady-3jane> ugh people on youtube raging about globalization
18:03:04 <lady-3jane> this single bit of ignorance and stupidity is going to make my life hard
18:03:06 <lady-3jane> :|
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18:40:36 <joepie91> .startgh
18:40:37 <botpie91> Now watching GitHub.
18:41:37 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03todo on branch 10develop: '02Fix some mistakes on the about page' (https://github.com/joepie91/todo/compare/d70dbb22f4...fdd838f2a0)
18:41:40 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to 03todo on branch 10master: '02Fix some mistakes on the about page', '02Merge branch 'develop'' (https://github.com/joepie91/todo/compare/5eb836b6c5...31bc5a3e75)
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19:08:33 <haless.cryto.net> Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Online Flash IDE: http://wonderfl.net/about/ | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz
19:08:33 <haless.cryto.net> Users on #crytocc: loggy joepie91 crytocc-c why_slap_option foolex Rabbit &ebola negison Xeross speakeasy AnonForecast d0wn_blog mama scraepy iceTwy snowy &MK_FG cr[a]tes YW truetravesty raymii waflel Ishaq IR601 @SpaghettiCode AppleJack vld twitchyliquid64
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19:08:35 <joepie91> there we go
19:08:39 <joepie91> .startgh
19:08:39 <botpie91> Now watching GitHub.
19:09:12 <iceTwy> .startgh
19:09:13 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
19:09:24 <iceTwy> whose GH does it watch though
19:10:15 <joepie91> mine
19:10:19 <joepie91> hardcoded for now
19:10:26 <joepie91> will let it monitor other stuff later on
19:10:26 <joepie91> :P
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19:10:51 <joepie91> added to todo list
19:10:53 *** connor is now known as Connor
19:11:39 <Connor> ok
19:12:07 <MK_FG> Connor as in robot uprising?
19:12:14 <Connor> no
19:12:16 <lady-3jane> huh, net blew
19:12:28 <lady-3jane> must be why tweetdeck was throwing a fit
19:12:44 <lady-3jane> loggy, pointer?
19:12:44 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-06-17#T19-12-44
19:12:46 <MK_FG> I never get why people put commit bots into channels for humans
19:13:01 <lady-3jane> so you can keep track of the work going on around you
19:13:05 <joepie91> ^
19:13:10 <joepie91> also, Connor, be sure to read the topic :P
19:13:13 <joepie91> also hai
19:13:18 <Connor> ok
19:13:19 <Connor> hai
19:13:33 <MK_FG> Sure, but make a separate chan for commits and you get that
19:13:50 <MK_FG> Without breaking the discussions and making mess out of channel
19:13:51 <lady-3jane> why separate it? You're just going to discuss the commits right there anyway
19:14:10 <MK_FG> Hm, never really seen that happening
19:14:12 <joepie91> MK_FG: it reports only once every push
19:14:16 <joepie91> it's not as noisy as CIA was
19:14:22 <joepie91> which spammed on every commit
19:14:29 <iceTwy> MK_FG: I'd understand not putting a commit bot into a crowded chan
19:14:32 <joepie91> if there's multiple commits in a push, it'll group them together
19:14:34 <lady-3jane> oh god cia
19:14:36 <lady-3jane> that fucking bot
19:14:39 <iceTwy> but #crytocc ain't that animated ;p
19:14:41 <joepie91> lol
19:15:30 <MK_FG> Guess so, still feel that putting bots in seem to be a good way to make any channel more ignore-worthy ;)
19:15:48 <iceTwy> *shrug*
19:15:57 <lady-3jane> yep, but this is a coding channel, officially
19:16:01 <iceTwy> it's always fun to take a look at someone's code
19:16:05 <iceTwy> whenever you're bawred
19:16:09 <lady-3jane> even if I'm 70% of the chat in here, almost always nothing to do with coding
19:16:20 * lady-3jane grins
19:16:33 <iceTwy> hehe
19:16:46 <iceTwy> also joepie91, users should be registered to use .startgh imo
19:16:59 <MK_FG> Coincidence in naming doesn't seem to have anything to do with bots!
19:17:24 <iceTwy> say waflel carries out a massive attack like he did that other day, and every of his zombies run .startgh
19:17:51 <lady-3jane> probably it'd knock the bot over before anything truly bad
19:18:10 <iceTwy> hmm
19:18:14 <lady-3jane> or his api axx would get revoked
19:18:21 <lady-3jane> I dunno how gh is about that shit
19:18:24 <joepie91> .startgh
19:18:24 <joepie91> .startgh
19:18:24 <joepie91> .startgh
19:18:24 <joepie91> .startgh
19:18:24 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
19:18:25 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
19:18:25 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
19:18:26 <botpie91> Already watching GitHub.
19:18:31 <joepie91> :)
19:18:34 <lady-3jane> :>
19:18:53 <joepie91> also
19:18:56 <joepie91> not actually using github API
19:19:02 * lady-3jane squints
19:19:05 <joepie91> http://github.com/joepie91.json
19:19:08 <joepie91> :)
19:19:30 * lady-3jane counts that as an api
19:20:02 <lady-3jane> NP: [Moby - Porcelain] [Play] [893kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
19:20:19 <lady-3jane> hmm, should reboot soon
19:24:59 <lady-3jane> man, new github is so much faster
19:25:08 <lady-3jane> excite
19:25:37 <lady-3jane> 300ms page load times
19:25:41 <lady-3jane> fucking FINALLY
19:25:57 <joepie91> awesome, 'todo' plugin for geany fishes out any 'TODO' or 'FIXME' comments in your code
19:26:00 <joepie91> and lists them in a listview
19:26:18 <lady-3jane> someday I will have my website on a real server and my pageloads will be sub100ms
19:26:25 <iceTwy> joepie91: when I'll have time I'll probably create some API for some SaaS
19:26:45 <iceTwy> no idea which one I'd want to start with
19:26:48 <lady-3jane> that's a lot of hot air without a lot of meaning
19:26:50 <iceTwy> maybe an online Bitcoin wallet?
19:26:51 <lady-3jane> unless I'm missing something
19:26:52 <lady-3jane> lol
19:26:59 <iceTwy> ikr
19:27:00 <lady-3jane> api for saas :D
19:27:03 <iceTwy> as i said, no specific idea
19:27:04 <lady-3jane> YES
19:27:07 <lady-3jane> API ALL THE THINGS
19:27:16 <joepie91> online bitcoin wallet bad
19:27:18 <joepie91> api good
19:27:19 <iceTwy> I MEAN
19:27:21 <iceTwy> derp
19:27:24 <iceTwy> not create an api
19:27:34 <iceTwy> create something OFF the API
19:27:55 <iceTwy> but then, yeah, finals
19:27:58 <joepie91> off what API?
19:28:00 <lady-3jane> my dream for about 10 minutes was to make a streaming api for bitcoin
19:28:08 <iceTwy> dunno joepie91
19:28:13 <lady-3jane> to enable actual fucking realtime stuff
19:28:35 <joepie91> lady-3jane; exists
19:28:35 <iceTwy> bitcoin is exposed to double spending I'm afraid
19:28:38 <lady-3jane> mtgox supposedly is gonna do something like that, but as always their description sounded retarded and not scalable
19:28:45 <joepie91> bitcoincharts already has one
19:28:53 <joepie91> mt gox is ridiculous and their API would be useless because it's only mt gox
19:28:58 <joepie91> iceTwy: hm?
19:29:18 <iceTwy> joepie91: did you read that paper about double spending when Bitcoin using fast transactions?
19:29:39 <lady-3jane> hmm, btc is down a bit from last I looked
19:29:41 <lady-3jane> interesting
19:30:12 <joepie91> I did not, no
19:30:15 <joepie91> .bitcoin
19:30:16 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $101.90, 1 BTC = €76.90
19:30:16 <iceTwy> alright
19:30:17 <lady-3jane> iceTwy:) do you mean doublespending is a risk when clients are not enforcing 6 block minimums for verification?
19:30:32 <lady-3jane> cause like, duh
19:30:51 <iceTwy> well, the lack of a transaction confirmation with enough blocks is only a consequence of the method used to doublespend
19:31:02 <iceTwy> the method used to double-spend with BTCs is, pay as quickly as possible, twice
19:31:11 <iceTwy> and since it's not confirmed the first time
19:31:18 <joepie91> <iceTwy>the method used to double-spend with BTCs is, pay as quickly as possible, twice
19:31:24 <joepie91> which is exactly why it's unrealistic in the real world
19:31:27 <joepie91> for small purchases
19:31:32 <lady-3jane> the receiver gets twice as much money?
19:31:46 <joepie91> n
19:31:47 <joepie91> no *
19:31:53 <joepie91> one of the receivers thinks he got money
19:31:55 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: probably not because once it's confirmed, the 2nd transaction is off
19:31:56 <joepie91> then later figures out he doesn't
19:32:05 <lady-3jane> hmm
19:32:16 <iceTwy> say I pay 100 BTC in 2 parts of 50 BTC
19:32:34 <iceTwy> then I could very well trick the other dude by paying quickly twice 50 BTC
19:32:44 <iceTwy> but I'm actually just spending 50 BTC
19:32:53 <lady-3jane> same 50btc
19:32:55 <lady-3jane> ?
19:32:56 <iceTwy> yup
19:32:58 <iceTwy> exactly
19:32:59 <lady-3jane> ahh
19:33:22 <lady-3jane> sounds like it'd be easy to mitigate
19:33:33 <lady-3jane> or not realistic in the first place
19:33:35 <iceTwy> but honestly, most bitcoin wallet clients don't allow you to do that anymore
19:33:35 <joepie91> it is already mitigated
19:33:40 <joepie91> that's what the confirmations are for
19:33:44 <lady-3jane> yeah
19:33:45 <joepie91> iceTwy: irrelevant
19:33:52 <lady-3jane> which reminds me
19:33:52 <joepie91> just needs some custom work
19:33:56 * lady-3jane launches bitcoin
19:33:57 <iceTwy> but the confirmations aren't done quickly enough to avoid double spending
19:34:13 <iceTwy> lady-3jane: donations at 1HfJBgWCqvNAW1JeENDZp4WTwti5pRQ7Gy kkthx
19:34:32 <lady-3jane> haha no
19:34:33 <crytocc-c> SolusVM.... time to die.
19:34:41 <iceTwy> I bet my hardly-won 0.01BTC (from mining) on SatoshiDice 73% on Saturday
19:34:47 <iceTwy> never thought I'd lose
19:34:48 <lady-3jane> lol
19:34:49 <iceTwy> but I did :(
19:35:02 <lady-3jane> A friend sent out 1btc to anyone who asked
19:35:08 <lady-3jane> so, I have a btc
19:35:13 <crytocc-c> Time to disclose 9 vulnerabilities on SolusVM.
19:35:18 <iceTwy> so you have $100?
19:35:19 <lady-3jane> crytocc-c:) woot!
19:35:23 <iceTwy> crytocc-c: oO
19:35:26 <joepie91> lady-3jane: hmm, I used to do that
19:35:28 <lady-3jane> iceTwy:) yes, and at some points 150, some 130 too
19:35:31 <joepie91> sending free bits of BTC
19:35:32 <joepie91> to people
19:35:35 <lady-3jane> :)
19:35:38 <joepie91> :)
19:35:53 <lady-3jane> I'm waiting to spend it on something inside btc ecosystem
19:35:55 <crytocc-c> Decoding SolusVM is like pie. I managed to figure out all the function names by reversing the obfuscation
19:36:02 <lady-3jane> need to find cool thing to buy
19:36:05 <iceTwy> I remember when BTC was about $5-$15
19:36:15 <lady-3jane> lol
19:36:19 <lady-3jane> on the first of this year?
19:36:22 <joepie91> I remember when BTC was under $1
19:36:22 <iceTwy> no
19:36:25 <iceTwy> 2010
19:36:25 <joepie91> like 0.22 or some shit
19:36:28 * lady-3jane is with joepie
19:36:34 <iceTwy> it's funny cuz
19:36:43 <iceTwy> I was reading Rick Falkvinge's article
19:36:49 <lady-3jane> it was an exciting day when it finally crested 0.10
19:36:52 <iceTwy> about how he'd put all his savings in bitcoins
19:37:10 <iceTwy> when you scrolled down to the comments everyone was hating on him because the price had just dropped down months later
19:37:18 <iceTwy> but what's Falkvinge thinking now
19:37:19 <lady-3jane> that would have been an accidentally brilliant idea a few years ago
19:37:33 <lady-3jane> suddenly: MONEY
19:37:35 <iceTwy> Inflation bubbles aren't going to stop soon with BTC lol
19:37:43 <lady-3jane> nope
19:37:53 <iceTwy> next time BTC drops down I invest massively
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19:38:02 <iceTwy> seriously I just received 500€ off my uncle
19:38:11 <lady-3jane> nice!
19:38:19 <iceTwy> saw him 2 weeks last summer in Bali, where he hosted us
19:38:21 <iceTwy> (family)
19:38:29 <iceTwy> and all this week here, in
19:38:31 <iceTwy> Paris
19:38:33 <iceTwy> where we hosted him
19:38:43 <lady-3jane> :>
19:38:47 <iceTwy> now I received 60€ from other sources
19:38:59 <iceTwy> so, 560€ in one week. couldn't ask for any more really
19:39:55 <lady-3jane> that's... my rent+utilities+some of my food
19:40:12 <iceTwy> umad?
19:40:26 <lady-3jane> almost 750$
19:40:27 <joepie91> that covers a month and a bit of my living expenses
19:40:28 <lady-3jane> yeah
19:40:37 <iceTwy> meh, I don't care that much about money honestly
19:40:45 <lady-3jane> 550 is rent+utils, + food
19:40:48 <lady-3jane> could easily live on that
19:40:57 <iceTwy> possessing it somewhat feels satisfying but I'm not a money whore either
19:40:58 <joepie91> 450 is everything in a month for me pretty much
19:41:03 <iceTwy> I have enough comfort already
19:41:06 <crytocc-c> Wahoo
19:41:08 <lady-3jane> nice :D
19:41:11 <joepie91> rent, utils, hosting, food, etc
19:41:20 <crytocc-c> Debaiting on writing a script to exploit solusvm
19:41:24 <lady-3jane> 750 would give me money for hosting
19:41:25 <lady-3jane> haha
19:41:28 <crytocc-c> as I have the latest version sitting with me right now
19:41:28 <lady-3jane> maybe then I'd have a real server
19:41:31 <joepie91> crytocc-c, hunting season?
19:41:33 <crytocc-c> fully decoded
19:41:33 <joepie91> LP
19:41:33 <joepie91> :P *
19:41:34 <crytocc-c> and restored.
19:41:37 <crytocc-c> :P
19:41:39 <crytocc-c> joepie91, pm?
19:41:42 <lady-3jane> woot
19:41:43 <joepie91> if it's quick
19:41:46 <joepie91> yes
19:42:43 <iceTwy> also
19:42:58 <iceTwy> what domain should I use for personal use
19:43:03 <iceTwy> .net ?
19:43:10 <joepie91> .net or .org imo
19:43:11 <joepie91> or a domain hack
19:43:19 <lady-3jane> lel
19:43:30 <lady-3jane> <3 me some .org
19:43:38 <iceTwy> but I'm no organization
19:43:53 <joepie91> so? :P
19:44:15 <iceTwy> *shrug* I've always wanted to keep .org for actual organization
19:44:16 <iceTwy> s
19:44:29 <lady-3jane> nobody respects those guidelines anymore
19:44:32 <lady-3jane> :/
19:44:33 <iceTwy> I know
19:44:48 <iceTwy> but it's something I hold onto for an absolutely unknown and shady reason
19:44:52 <lady-3jane> and .org is not run by verisign :D
19:45:11 <lady-3jane> run by public interest registry
19:45:13 * lady-3jane does research
19:45:30 <iceTwy> free https over .org?
19:45:30 <iceTwy> yaaaaay
19:46:04 <lady-3jane> The largest domain transfer in history[6] occurred on January 1, 2003, when ICANN had VeriSign delegate 2.6 million domains to the Public Interest Registry
19:46:05 <lady-3jane> fuck woot
19:46:24 <lady-3jane> iceTwy:) oh? with who
19:46:34 <lady-3jane> gandi does free https first year
19:46:56 <iceTwy> gandi is French
19:47:02 <iceTwy> buy domains from gandi!
19:47:30 <lady-3jane> I do o.o
19:47:32 <iceTwy> if you want to be a FrenchWOman
19:47:37 <lady-3jane> After the 2011 tsunami in Japan, the Public Interest Registry waived renewal fees for Japan-based .ORG domains to prevent domains from expiring due to intermittent internet access.[15]
19:47:38 <iceTwy> buy domains from gandi, host on OVH
19:47:41 <lady-3jane> fucking righteous
19:48:42 <lady-3jane> The Public Interest Registry promotes and publicizes the .ORG domain. While .ORG is an open domain, the Public Interest Registry wants more people to view .ORG as a domain for communities and entities that serve the public good, rather than being perceived as directed to non-profits.
19:48:58 <lady-3jane> :>
19:49:10 <iceTwy> ooo
19:49:35 <crytocc-c> This is why I hate ioncube : http://pastebin.com/f6X0dpuu
19:49:55 <lady-3jane> :/
19:50:05 <lady-3jane> you can tell what it does though
19:50:10 <lady-3jane> that's worthless obfuscation
19:52:41 <lady-3jane> oh, ha
19:52:56 <lady-3jane> bitcoin 0.8.2.2
19:53:15 <lady-3jane> lelz
19:54:36 <iceTwy> good hoster for a small website = ?
19:55:08 <joepie91> iceTwy, what kind of site?
19:55:13 <lady-3jane> ^
19:55:18 <iceTwy> blog
19:55:23 <lady-3jane> static or dynamic
19:55:42 <joepie91> want a VPS, or will shared be fine?
19:55:52 <crytocc-c> #### FULL DISCLOSURE ####
19:55:57 <crytocc-c> who wants me to release solusvm source?
19:56:12 <iceTwy> nope joepie91, won't be shared I suppose
19:56:14 <iceTwy> personal blog
19:56:15 <joepie91> IRC doesn't support Markdown ;)
19:56:17 <crytocc-c> I got 0.04153285 BTC
19:56:20 <crytocc-c> ($4.20)
19:56:23 <lady-3jane> lol
19:56:28 <joepie91> iceTwy: not shared because?
19:56:32 <lady-3jane> ^
19:56:36 <iceTwy> oh
19:56:41 <iceTwy> misread my bad
19:56:45 <iceTwy> nono, shared, don't need a VPS
19:56:46 <lady-3jane> if it's personal blog that's exactly the case you'd use shared hosting :D
19:56:48 <joepie91> k
19:56:50 <iceTwy> yeah, lol
19:56:52 <joepie91> http://ramhost.us/ -> shared
19:56:53 <joepie91> done
19:57:00 <iceTwy> hmph
19:57:06 <joepie91> ?
19:57:08 <iceTwy> most of my readers are US-based but..
19:57:14 <iceTwy> what about an € host?
19:57:15 <joepie91> eh
19:57:20 <joepie91> what kind of blog software are you planning on using
19:57:52 <iceTwy> WP
19:57:54 <joepie91> lol
19:57:59 <joepie91> then don't bother with geolocalizing
19:58:04 <iceTwy> alrighty
19:58:06 <lady-3jane> ^
19:58:06 <joepie91> WP is slow enough not to make that matter
19:58:09 <joepie91> so yeah
19:58:16 <lady-3jane> haha, just what I was going to say
19:58:17 <lady-3jane> lol
19:58:27 <iceTwy> IT LUEKS GUD
19:58:38 <iceTwy> hmm
19:58:41 <iceTwy> paid yearly? rah
19:58:50 <lady-3jane> if you use one of the markdown based ones where you compile up markdown to html and upload to server via scripts... that's plenty fast
19:59:01 <joepie91> iceTwy: eh
19:59:08 <joepie91> I've been using them for... 3+ years?
19:59:11 <joepie91> (their VPSes)
19:59:14 <joepie91> and it's like $20
19:59:16 <joepie91> for a year
19:59:16 <joepie91> lol
19:59:20 <joepie91> maybe a bit more, idk
19:59:26 <joepie91> don't know prices from memory
19:59:50 <joepie91> you're really not going to find cheap good shared hosting that isn't yearly because of payment processor fees :P
20:00:15 <lady-3jane> yeah
20:00:19 <iceTwy> funny
20:00:34 <iceTwy> $1.49/mo * 12 = $17.88 (/ year)
20:00:42 <iceTwy> convert that on Wolfram|Alpha to €
20:00:46 <iceTwy> 13.37€
20:01:29 <lady-3jane> and card fees are like 3.5%, plus a flat charge iirc
20:01:43 <lady-3jane> which if you're talking monthly, is most of your fuckin profit
20:04:04 <iceTwy> erm
20:04:05 <iceTwy> ramhost.us
20:04:07 <iceTwy> doesn't really work
20:04:13 <joepie91> ?
20:04:25 <iceTwy> their cart displays a blank page after choosing your domain name
20:04:36 <joepie91> it shouldn't do that
20:04:44 <joepie91> hop into #ramhost on irc.ramhost.us
20:04:47 <joepie91> and poke ramhost/ramnet
20:04:48 <joepie91> or email them :P
20:04:50 <iceTwy> hold on
20:04:52 <iceTwy> lemme use firefox
20:05:27 <iceTwy> does it as well
20:06:44 <joepie91> sec
20:07:08 <iceTwy> https://my.ramhost.us/clients/cart.php?a=add&pid=19
20:08:12 <lady-3jane> holy fuck betaworks owns so much
20:08:27 <lady-3jane> bitly, chartbeat, digg, instapaper
20:09:56 <iceTwy> joepie91: are you running into the same problem on ramhost?
20:11:04 <joepie91> one sec
20:12:01 <joepie91> yup, broken
20:12:02 <joepie91> sec
20:14:18 <joepie91> iceTwy: highlighting him generally works
20:14:19 <joepie91> :P
20:14:20 <joepie91> (as I just did)
20:14:34 <joepie91> if you don't get a response in like 30 mins, send an email to support@ramhost.us and he should get back to you
20:14:50 <joepie91> might very well just be WHMCS being disabled because of yet another vuln or something
20:14:53 <joepie91> WHMCS rubbish is full of holes
20:15:37 <iceTwy> erm
20:15:44 <iceTwy> off-putting for an order, don't you agree? :p
20:16:16 <joepie91> meh
20:16:33 <joepie91> honestly, I'd rather someone put their time into keeping service running smoothly for existing clients
20:16:40 <joepie91> than them putting their time into attracting new client s:P
20:16:41 <joepie91> clients *
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20:43:00 <joepie91> d0wn_blog: hai
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20:43:25 <joepie91> were you interested in contributing to or using it?
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20:45:15 <joepie91> also, I normally say this when someone comes in, but hi, welcome to #crytocc, be sure to read the topic and be aware that this channel is publicly logged :)
20:45:30 <joepie91> anyway, d0wn_blog, pm?
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20:52:18 <iceTwy> good night
20:52:20 <iceTwy> erryone
20:52:26 <joepie91> night :P
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21:00:30 <lady-3jane> hmm
21:00:36 <lady-3jane> anybody know shit about dmesg output?
21:00:45 <joepie91> it's a mess
21:00:55 <lady-3jane> grep Features /var/run/dmesg.boot
21:00:55 <lady-3jane> Features=0x78bfbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2>
21:00:55 <lady-3jane> Features2=0x2001<SSE3,CX16>
21:00:55 <lady-3jane> AMD Features=0xea500800<SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,RDTSCP,LM,3DNow!+,3DNow!>
21:00:55 <lady-3jane> AMD Features2=0x19<LAHF,ExtAPIC,CR8>
21:01:04 <lady-3jane> just want to confirm that actually means I have sse3
21:01:30 <lady-3jane> if yes I can turn it on in cflags for new software
21:01:32 <lady-3jane> :>
21:02:06 <lady-3jane> make gcc48 optimize my ports a bit more
21:03:00 <lady-3jane> gonna recompile shit like openssl and nginx under new build system
21:03:02 <lady-3jane> and probably maria
21:11:59 <lady-3jane> fuck yeah
21:12:13 <lady-3jane> best idea: portupgrade -rf security/openssl
21:12:32 <lady-3jane> recompiles openssl with new toolchain, and any ports that depend on it
21:13:03 <lady-3jane> mmm, gcc 4.2.1 ==> 4.8.1
21:13:11 <lady-3jane> and sse3
21:16:06 <AnonO_o> Features2=0x2001<SSE3,CX16>
21:16:10 <AnonO_o> you have sse3
21:16:33 <lady-3jane> yeah
21:16:42 <lady-3jane> just wanted to make sure I wasn't misreading
21:16:50 <AnonO_o> more importantly what's the extensions for openssl that does the aes stuff for amd?
21:17:06 <lady-3jane> dunno
21:17:20 <lady-3jane> but unless amd had it in 2006 or whatever, I probably don't have it
21:17:25 <AnonO_o> makes a big difference under intel
21:17:31 <AnonO_o> oh, if it's that old, then no
21:17:53 <lady-3jane> it's one of the old 1.8ghz amd's
21:17:57 <lady-3jane> the ones that will run forever
21:19:22 <lady-3jane> I hear that we may get bumped to a core2duo this summer
21:19:33 <lady-3jane> somewhat excite
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21:26:13 <lady-3jane> mmm
21:26:16 <lady-3jane> NP: [Moby - Run On] [Play] [801kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
21:26:22 <lady-3jane> loggy, pointer?
21:26:22 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-06-17#T21-26-22
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22:11:50 <crytocc-c> LOL
22:11:55 <crytocc-c> joepie91
22:12:16 <crytocc-c> I exposed Eric Hocking by doing a full disclosure, now suddenly VPSBoard stops loading.
22:12:17 <crytocc-c> Ironic eh?
22:18:21 <joepie91> hm?
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