Cryto! 16 May 2013
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00:37:23 <joepie91> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/app-developer-calls-critic-fcken-little-know-it-all-site-goes-down/
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01:46:48 <AnonForecast> rofl joe
01:46:55 <AnonForecast> what can they say? you warned them
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02:07:49 <scaepy> lolz hard
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16:28:17 <haless.cryto.net> Users on #crytocc: loggy mama Ari zxcvbnm IR601 foolex ztag100 ElectRo` wh1t3r4bb1t @SpaghettiCode babylon lady-3jane crytocc-c vld joepie91 &MK_FG AppleJack YW AnonForecast furillo Ishaq truetravesty aHlTat Hoax twitchyliquid64 crates Matrix Xeross
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16:28:26 <joepie91> now he is
16:28:30 <joepie91> and there's botpie too
16:28:34 <zxcvbnm> In other news, I'm a peaceful person who just loves supporting communities :)
16:30:30 <lady-3jane> okay now I'm banned
16:30:41 <lady-3jane> <oDong2> can i know what r u doing there?
16:30:41 <lady-3jane> <TSwift|h94d3> just popped in to see what noob was uploading cleartext php bots
16:30:41 <lady-3jane> <TSwift|h94d3> lmao
16:30:45 <zxcvbnm> Yeah, looks like they're actively on
16:30:48 <zxcvbnm> lol
16:31:23 <lady-3jane> I'm not subtle
16:31:24 <lady-3jane> :>
16:31:41 <zxcvbnm> Not my strong suit at times :)
16:34:17 <lady-3jane> never mine
16:34:41 <lady-3jane> found a kid who was diagnosed asbergers last night though... that was fun
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16:35:07 <lady-3jane> It was one of those "damn, this is like family" situations
16:36:22 <lady-3jane> but I also ran into one of those people who like metal music
16:36:31 <lady-3jane> and think it's just the best thing since sliced bread
16:36:39 <zxcvbnm> metal or running into those people
16:36:53 <lady-3jane> think metal
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16:37:22 <lady-3jane> he had all these fancy bands and history and omg how technical it was and blah blah fucking blah
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16:38:31 <lady-3jane> he was like "yeah, they change time signatures like it's nothing" "It's not nothing, it's fucking annoying and they should start making something that flows instead of assaulting the audience"
16:38:44 <lady-3jane> :3
16:39:21 <lady-3jane> metal falls into the same category classical music does for me, which is roughly "completely devoid of all value"
16:47:43 <lady-3jane> urg, new g+ is still very slow to load
16:47:54 <lady-3jane> I hate this though
16:47:58 <lady-3jane> many sites do what they're doing
16:48:18 <lady-3jane> load the page, so the content is showing. makes sense. but then they lazyload in another half the page (all the side shit).
16:48:44 <lady-3jane> the problem is that I won't touch the page until it's DONE LOADING, so I have to wait 10 seconds for the lazy load to finish
16:48:53 <lady-3jane> often it resets my scroll if I don't
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16:49:08 <lady-3jane> so they lose all the benefit they tried to gain from loading fast and lazy loading other stuffs
16:49:37 <lady-3jane> ugh
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16:50:05 <lady-3jane> why we cannot have light pages with a little blob of js for the interactive stuffs
16:50:19 <zxcvbnm> Very good question
16:50:23 <lady-3jane> instead of heavy pages and a blob the size of mars of js, with frames that lazy load in and all this other stuff
16:50:36 <lady-3jane> if I wanted a full desktop app, I'd have installed one
16:50:39 <MK_FG> Clever programmers
16:50:43 <lady-3jane> even if it was just a chromeless chrome window
16:50:52 <lady-3jane> with angularjs running the everything
16:51:16 <MK_FG> That's the way you poof whole job market into existence \o/
16:51:21 <lady-3jane> agh
16:51:30 <lady-3jane> but it's user hostile :/
16:51:41 <MK_FG> Aw, who cares
16:51:41 <lady-3jane> that's the other thing I don't understand these days
16:52:13 <lady-3jane> everyone wants to put ads everywhere, right? that's kind of satanic, but I think most people would put up with it if they weren't nearly ALL user hostile ways to include ads
16:52:31 <lady-3jane> it makes sense to me that if your ads weren't user hostile, and were relevant, people might actually click the fucking things
16:52:42 <MK_FG> Heh, yeah, I kinda like ads in the elevator in a place I live in
16:53:07 <MK_FG> They're non-intrusive at all, easy to ignore, on the side
16:53:22 <MK_FG> And they all about local stuff, which sometimes interesting to know about
16:53:37 <lady-3jane> yeah, see that's tolerable
16:53:37 <MK_FG> Plus, there's just nothing else to stare at in an elevator!
16:53:44 <MK_FG> It's damn cool!
16:53:50 <lady-3jane> especially if it's local stuffs
16:53:53 <MK_FG> They even put the news there sometimes
16:53:58 <MK_FG> (local ones)
16:53:59 <lady-3jane> I don't usually mind that, even if the ads aren't very high quality
16:54:09 <lady-3jane> cause it's MY community
16:54:42 <MK_FG> And if I don't like them, just stare at any other 3/4 walls or 2/2 floor/ceil
16:54:52 <lady-3jane> :>
16:54:56 <lady-3jane> NP: [Ugly Duckling - Dumb it Down] [Taste the Secret] [910kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:55:23 <lady-3jane> oh man, I just realized
16:55:32 <lady-3jane> linus is bitching about the new g+ fonts
16:55:48 <lady-3jane> cause they're fuzzy or something. they're not for me, they're just like 10 fucking point
16:56:00 <lady-3jane> equally unreadable
16:56:35 <MK_FG> It's strange to find all these otherwise smart people in such a crappy hostile place as g+
16:56:44 <MK_FG> It always looked like shit for me
16:56:51 <lady-3jane> ahh
16:56:55 <MK_FG> js-heavy, damn slow, overloaded
16:56:56 <joepie91> MK_FG: not many alternatives
16:57:04 <lady-3jane> I like the serendipity engine aspect of g+
16:57:06 <joepie91> unless you want to get spammed with farmville notifications
16:57:10 <lady-3jane> which is why I put up with it
16:57:18 <MK_FG> No sane api's and clients, no links, not web at all
16:57:29 <lady-3jane> nope
16:57:33 <lady-3jane> walled garden, like every other
16:57:55 <lady-3jane> nobody thinks you can make a big cool workable thing these days without walling off
16:58:04 <MK_FG> Guess alternatives thing indeed
16:58:04 <MK_FG> But then, dunno, I like irc
16:58:10 <joepie91> IRC is not persistent
16:58:14 <joepie91> not comparable at all
16:58:14 <joepie91> :P
16:58:19 <MK_FG> Screw that!
16:58:25 <lady-3jane> which is why there are startups to make irc persistent
16:58:33 <lady-3jane> like grove
16:58:49 <lady-3jane> though don't use grove, that lady kills communities left and right
16:59:01 <lady-3jane> I still hate her for killing pownce
16:59:11 <MK_FG> Is G+ persistent?
16:59:15 <lady-3jane> yeah
16:59:26 <MK_FG> Did you dig anything old there, ever?
16:59:32 <lady-3jane> yes
16:59:47 <MK_FG> I'd think it's tortorous, with it'd dumb scrolling and all...
16:59:49 <lady-3jane> when you're signed into google, it surfaces g+ posts relating to your search terms in the results
17:00:06 <lady-3jane> it's been absolutely lifechanging several times
17:00:11 <lady-3jane> mostly owing to the people I have circled
17:00:12 <lady-3jane> :P
17:00:21 <lady-3jane> but I'll give google a modicum of credit for facilitating
17:01:20 <lady-3jane> okay I fixed g+
17:01:21 <MK_FG> Guess it's replacement for mailing lists
17:01:38 <lady-3jane> removed all their font sizes and font faces, replaced with just plain old 19px and default font
17:01:47 <lady-3jane> I hate mailing lists
17:01:50 <lady-3jane> same as forums
17:01:58 <lady-3jane> fucking worthless the lot of them
17:02:05 <MK_FG> Hm, why?
17:02:20 <lady-3jane> there's an implicit expectation that you keep up with them
17:02:27 <lady-3jane> among other problems
17:02:51 <MK_FG> Yeah, kinda
17:03:40 <lady-3jane> I've refused to use mailing lists and anything that resembles a forum
17:03:59 <lady-3jane> I'll administrate them, because that's fun for me, but I'll never post in a non-administrative context
17:04:27 <lady-3jane> you have to be able to keep context for so many people on so many topics for so long
17:04:32 <joepie91> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=44522
17:04:33 <joepie91> sigh
17:04:34 <lady-3jane> I can't do that
17:06:23 <lady-3jane> there's one forum I'll ever post on, and ot
17:06:28 <lady-3jane> it's a torrent site
17:06:38 <lady-3jane> the community is nice and doesn't expect you to keep up
17:07:33 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) I like the most recent comment
17:08:44 <lady-3jane> ahhh
17:08:50 <lady-3jane> man, 19px makes g+ usable
17:08:59 <lady-3jane> it was funny as shit
17:09:19 <lady-3jane> when my stop using small font sizes article frontpaged HN, got a lot of people complaining about the font size
17:09:31 <lady-3jane> they were all just dismissive "this is not 16px"
17:09:44 <lady-3jane> correct, most of them were seeing the page at 20px due to their resolution :D
17:12:53 <lady-3jane> hmm
17:13:07 <lady-3jane> the visual hierarchy on newg+ could use some work
17:13:10 <lady-3jane> because it doesn't exist
17:13:15 <lady-3jane> which makes it hard to scan
17:13:26 <lady-3jane> WHY DO I KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN GOOGLE'S DESIGNERS
17:13:28 <lady-3jane> WHYY
17:13:42 * lady-3jane rips hair out
17:14:12 <lady-3jane> on the positive side, dartlang is fucking sweet, go1.1 is god tier
17:16:16 <lady-3jane> oh bam
17:16:30 <lady-3jane> there's a chrome addon for replacing fonts on pages with google webfonts
17:16:38 <lady-3jane> opensans<3
17:19:00 <MK_FG> Stylish?
17:19:25 <lady-3jane> that's for firefox iirc
17:19:36 <lady-3jane> which is a still broken app
17:19:38 <lady-3jane> :(
17:19:52 <MK_FG> Nah, I think there's a chrome port as well
17:19:56 <lady-3jane> ahh
17:20:05 <lady-3jane> this one's just for font replacement, nothing more
17:20:16 <lady-3jane> but it has all the hundreds of gwebfonts
17:20:35 <lady-3jane> I guess if I was a pain I could write the css for stylish or something, but booooring
17:21:17 <lady-3jane> agh fuck
17:21:25 <lady-3jane> it slides out the left menu when you try to hit "settings"
17:21:31 <lady-3jane> forcing you to click home
17:21:37 <lady-3jane> this is broken :|
17:22:00 <MK_FG> Boring, hmm
17:22:10 <MK_FG> I always found stylish fun
17:22:26 <MK_FG> With the "apply" button on top of ff window
17:22:41 <MK_FG> It's like truly dynamic visual coding
17:22:51 <MK_FG> You write a thing and see results right now
17:22:54 <MK_FG> Neat!
17:23:04 <lady-3jane> hehe
17:23:10 <lady-3jane> I do that with the chrome devtools
17:23:24 <lady-3jane> unclick ALL THE FONT DEFS
17:23:51 <MK_FG> There should be more things like that, really
17:24:06 <lady-3jane> hmm
17:24:15 <lady-3jane> I'm somewhat confused by this g+ change
17:24:17 <lady-3jane> not gonna lie
17:24:30 <lady-3jane> the major complaint most had about the old one was the whitespace
17:24:39 <MK_FG> No kidding, you've been bitching about it for the whole backlog! ;)
17:24:41 <lady-3jane> but otherwise it had a visual language and flowed well
17:24:51 <lady-3jane> this one... doesn't.
17:25:02 <lady-3jane> lol
17:26:50 <lady-3jane> it's like this weird mix between flatui and metro and google's old design language
17:29:42 <lady-3jane> agh
17:30:01 <lady-3jane> and there's a styled button for npr audio articles... but it doesn't actually launch the npr player
17:30:03 <lady-3jane> urg
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17:35:41 <joepie91> potentially interesting observation: people seem to become far more upset about someone disagreeing based on an unbiased argument
17:35:49 <joepie91> than about someone disagreeing on an oppositely biased argument
17:38:03 <MK_FG> I'd be upset seeing some snobbish bastard making a logical argument when even great I cannot put forth such one!!!
17:55:49 <MK_FG> It's funny how I can't seem to think of anything possibly upsetting me in a convo, but then in reality it happens all the time ;)
17:56:18 <MK_FG> Damn your alien brains, humans!
17:59:48 <joepie91> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/using-science-to-reform-toxic-player-behavior-in-league-of-legends/
17:59:51 <joepie91> must read
18:00:06 <joepie91> absolutely must read
18:00:37 <zxcvbnm> you don't play LoL do you ?
18:01:17 <joepie91> I do not
18:01:39 <joepie91> the interesting thing is that these results align _exactly_ with what I've been seeing across IRC and such
18:01:44 <joepie91> from what I can see
18:01:53 <zxcvbnm> well if you doubted it, the community is as bad as it sounds
18:02:00 <joepie91> and it supports quite a few of the claims I've made in the past
18:24:26 <joepie91> MK_FG: http://uinc.ru/news/sn19885.html
18:24:30 <joepie91> seems well written
18:24:32 <joepie91> from what I can determine via google translate
18:25:47 <MK_FG> God it's awfully formatted there ;)
18:32:32 <lady-3jane> haha
18:32:46 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) yeah, there's a video presentation by the dude leading that team too
18:32:54 <lady-3jane> I watched that, and it was fascinating
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20:48:39 <zxcvbnm> zpanel announcement: "1) The cause Yesterday one of our support staff decided to use vulgar and aggressive language which greatly offended a community member. For this I personally and on behalf of the ZPanelCP Project would like to apologise. This member of staff will not be participating in the ZPanelCP team anymore."
20:52:41 <joepie91> http://forums.zpanelcp.com/showthread.php?27606-ZPanelCP-Server-Has-Not-Been-Compromised
20:52:41 <joepie91> oh
20:52:42 <joepie91> damnit
20:52:47 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: Y U SO MUCH FASTER
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20:55:14 <joepie91> https://github.com/bobsta63/zpanelx/blob/10.0.3/dryden/ui/templateparser.class.php#L24
20:55:15 <joepie91> The security issues mentioned in the following article (http://imgur.com/a/lzRuo) are already fixed, however we are a short way off being able to release the new version.
20:55:26 <joepie91> I'd like to know why there's still a vulnerable templater in the repo
20:55:32 <joepie91> when it's been "fixed"
20:55:51 <joepie91> master has the same code
20:56:09 <joepie91> in fact, looks like they're developing on master branch
21:04:13 <zxcvbnm> :P
21:08:03 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: You might like quantopian.com
21:08:37 <joepie91> meh
21:09:00 <zxcvbnm> I figured you would have something to say about it, at least.
21:09:19 <joepie91> seems like commercial maths playground for traders
21:09:29 <joepie91> no part of that particularly interests me
21:09:36 <zxcvbnm> BTC interests you ?
21:10:19 <joepie91> as a currency, yes
21:10:52 <zxcvbnm> Affirmative
21:12:25 <zxcvbnm> Ok so an interesting vector here is --> They get their data from a 3rd party source. The data can not just be downloaded, however, a "secure websocket communication" connection is initiated when you build the algorithm
21:13:02 <zxcvbnm> They can not and do not want you to have the raw data that they use. But, you can pull the data to use in their backtester
21:13:31 <zxcvbnm> Just interesting, is all
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21:25:51 <zxcvbnm> Is there anything out there that you all know of that lets you a) Upload a picture b) Use photo recognition to identify the font used ?
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21:34:32 <AnonyOps[m]> Hey I can get on cryto now!
21:39:54 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: whatthefont
21:40:05 <joepie91> yes, it's actually called that
21:40:08 <zxcvbnm> real or futuristic
21:40:13 <joepie91> ?
21:40:17 <zxcvbnm> Excellent
21:40:25 * zxcvbnm thank you
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22:44:30 <Andres> joepie91,
22:44:38 <joepie91> yes, hai
22:44:38 <Andres> arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/app-developer-calls-critic-fcken-little-know-it-all-site-goes-down/
22:44:41 <Andres> YOU'RE FAMOUS NOW
22:44:42 <joepie91> yes
22:44:43 <joepie91> no
22:44:51 <Andres> i mean, more famous
22:45:06 <Andres> is that my little joepie91 or some imposter?
22:45:29 <Andres> sorry i had to ask but you know im the internet TMZ
22:45:50 <joepie91> there
22:45:57 <Andres> no not your nick, i know that you're you
22:46:04 <Andres> i mean the poster in the zpanel forum
22:46:13 <Andres> ZPanel support member Nigel Caldwell made the comment in the site's official forums and it was directed at a user named joepie91.
22:46:26 <Andres> http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/zpanel-forum.jpg
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22:48:27 <joepie91> Andres: oh, yes
22:48:28 <joepie91> that was me
22:48:38 <Andres> ur so famous
22:48:40 <Andres> lol
22:48:41 <Andres> jk
22:48:54 <Andres> how is cryto doing btw?
22:49:07 <Andres> is there anything written in perl that needs help?
22:49:16 <joepie91> not many perl devs, but perhaps
22:49:17 <joepie91> :P
22:49:31 <Andres> :P most of the unloyal left for these hipster languages
22:49:45 <Andres> OH WOTS THIS RAILS... OMG YET ANOTHER LISP DIALECT
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22:50:20 <Andres> why are people so impressed over RoR
22:50:34 <Andres> it makes it easier to the devs by dumbing it down
22:50:41 <joepie91> idk
22:50:44 <joepie91> but I was kinda about to get to work
22:50:47 <joepie91> for the 5th time today
22:50:52 <joepie91> and I probably really should get tto work now
22:50:52 <joepie91> :P
22:50:53 <joepie91> to *
22:50:59 <Andres> then do it
22:51:03 <Andres> is it... at the FBI?
22:51:07 <Andres> lol jk
22:51:14 <Andres> ilu jewiepie
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