Cryto! 2 March 2013

02:23:54 loggy (loggy@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc
02:23:54 <> Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNEL. |, | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Online Flash IDE: | Cryto Research: | RIP Aaron Swartz
02:23:54 <> Users on #crytocc: loggy pzuraq `\ ebola AnonyOps lady-3jane null_ AnonForecast DrWhat cr[a]tes razentka foolex Kamonra evilworks IR601 Ishaq &MK_FG smithsonian_ joepie91_ wh1t3r4bb1t truetravesty jamesbt aHlTat twitchyliquid64 ~joepie91 shikat Chasenet
02:27:33 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: Divvy has agreed to reduce the marketingspeak and put in a disclaimer outlining the security risks and the reality of the software
02:27:54 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: and does she actually realize what said security risks are?
02:28:08 <twitchyliquid64> well, I wrote them
02:28:10 <twitchyliquid64> so yes
02:28:40 * twitchyliquid64 pokes joepie91
02:29:49 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: the kick reason was very clear - if the issue outlined in said reason is resolved, I don't see why she can't join here again
02:29:52 <joepie91> *if* the issue is resolved
02:30:58 <twitchyliquid64> I think its pretty well resolved
02:31:13 <lady-3jane>
02:31:41 <joepie91> lady-3jane: thanks.
02:31:54 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) np
02:32:09 <lady-3jane> sorry it took me a sec, I forgot fucking pound symbols are special in urls
02:32:12 * lady-3jane facepalms
02:32:22 <joepie91> lol
02:32:52 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: does she actually have a different attitude towards privacy/security or others, or is she just agreeing with you?
02:32:57 <joepie91> of others *
02:33:01 <joepie91> pretty significant difference
02:33:34 <twitchyliquid64> she does care about the security of her users
02:33:41 <twitchyliquid64> she is making this primarily for herslef and friends
02:34:11 <twitchyliquid64> she was just getting pissed at how pedantic you were being (pedantic the right word??? not good at english)
02:34:13 <joepie91> security *and* privacy?
02:34:21 <twitchyliquid64> same thin IMHO
02:34:25 <joepie91> it's nopt
02:34:26 <twitchyliquid64> you have privacy if your secure
02:34:26 <joepie91> not *
02:34:36 <lady-3jane> nah mang
02:34:38 <joepie91> yes, but not the other way around
02:34:46 <joepie91> if you're 'secure' you don't necessarily have privacy
02:34:51 <joepie91> depending on your interpretation of 'secure'
02:34:56 <twitchyliquid64> if your secure from your provider and the world, you have privacy
02:35:01 <lady-3jane> I can encrypt email with forward-secure encryption, but someone can still know who I'm talking to
02:35:09 <joepie91> so, <joepie91>security *and* privacy?
02:35:18 <twitchyliquid64> I think so
02:35:21 <twitchyliquid64> still not sure on the difference
02:35:41 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: the difference is that if you cannot guarantee no logging, that means no privacy
02:35:43 <joepie91> even if it's secure otherwise
02:35:56 <twitchyliquid64> right
02:36:05 <twitchyliquid64> so the only things that can GARRANTEE privacy
02:36:09 <twitchyliquid64> are client side logging
02:36:14 <twitchyliquid64> *encryption
02:36:17 <joepie91> basically.
02:36:19 <twitchyliquid64> **client side encryption
02:36:23 <joepie91> actually
02:36:32 <joepie91> secure client side encryption*
02:36:50 <joepie91> clientside encryption in JS on a pastebin is not guaranteed to be private
02:36:57 <lady-3jane> privacy is people not knowing who is communicating or what they're communicating, security is others not being able to modify that communication (I think)
02:36:58 <joepie91> as theoretically the code that is served could be modified
02:37:14 <joepie91> lady-3jane: security actually goes quite a bit beyond that
02:37:15 <lady-3jane> is that decent?
02:37:19 <lady-3jane> oh?
02:37:23 <joepie91> but there's two general interpretations of 'security'
02:37:26 <joepie91> one is 'inability to break in'
02:37:38 <joepie91> the other is 'integrity and privacy'
02:37:41 <twitchyliquid64> so if end-to-end pubpriv encryption is used, you can get privacy *and* security?
02:37:51 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: correct
02:38:07 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: Im pretty sure she is using end-to-end
02:38:09 <twitchyliquid64> ill check that
02:38:11 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: she can't
02:38:27 <twitchyliquid64> HTTPS?
02:38:29 <twitchyliquid64> duh
02:38:30 <joepie91> as far as I can determine, it works like a proxy in the sense that it lets you connect to external services
02:38:47 <joepie91> that means that it will only be end-to-end encrypted if the endpoint external service supports that
02:38:49 <joepie91> and nowhere near all services do
02:39:06 <joepie91> nor is it a feature of a particular VPN
02:39:10 <joepie91> either the endpoint offers it, or it doesn't
02:39:18 <joepie91> what you use to proxy through doesn't really matter
02:40:41 * lady-3jane puts router just outside endpoint that mirrors traffic into database
02:41:38 <twitchyliquid64> lol
02:41:49 <lady-3jane> I skipped a step, but it's illustrative
02:42:14 <twitchyliquid64> any encryption between endpoints will easily fix that
02:42:21 <twitchyliquid64> ie: my p2p library :D
02:42:29 <lady-3jane> sure, but you don't control the final endpoints
02:42:44 <twitchyliquid64> you can :D
02:43:19 <twitchyliquid64> I think
02:43:23 <twitchyliquid64> its a new Idea I have
02:43:35 <twitchyliquid64> to challenge the integrity of two elements of remote code
02:44:17 <lady-3jane> if you're talking about some sort of p2p access of the final endpoint (to make it impossible to detect where the request will come from) that's sort of tor, skin deep
02:44:25 <twitchyliquid64> no
02:44:39 <twitchyliquid64> im talking about being sure that the code your talking to on the other end is your own
02:44:49 <twitchyliquid64> ie: validating the code executing on the remote CPU
02:46:18 <twitchyliquid64> The idea is that you make certain elements of the communication reference a byte at an offset in the programs executable
02:46:23 <twitchyliquid64> or even in memory
02:49:49 <lady-3jane> I should think that would only work if you controlled or had... at the least access to that, which normally you don't
02:50:08 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: clearly she has not changed her attitude
02:50:24 <joepie91> lady-3jane: mind copypasting the log of that for me?
02:50:29 <joepie91> I can't copypaste more than one screen at a time
02:50:32 <joepie91> (WINE limitation)
02:51:11 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: after pointing out the problem, she put me on ignore *again*
02:51:15 <joepie91> she just does not want to hear about it
02:54:21 <lady-3jane> AHH
02:54:25 <lady-3jane> haha caps
02:54:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm so fucking high on caffeine right now. omgl
02:54:38 <lady-3jane> lelz
02:54:44 <twitchyliquid64> I wish I liked the taste of coffee
02:54:52 <twitchyliquid64> I wanna shoot up with caffee
02:54:58 <twitchyliquid64> *caffiene
02:55:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> are you still talking about my wife?
02:56:00 <twitchyliquid64> waht
02:57:31 <lady-3jane>
02:58:22 <joepie91> thanks, lady-3jane
02:59:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lol
02:59:48 <joepie91> lady-3jane: I find it alarming how Divinite feels that "well, people should think about things better" is a reasonable justification for making false claims
03:00:06 <joepie91> this is exactly the same attitude as a lot of scammers use
03:00:16 <joepie91> "well, if they don't want to be scammed, they should be more careful... I'm not doing anything wrontg"
03:00:16 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: shes correct all that
03:00:25 <joepie91> wrong *
03:00:27 <twitchyliquid64> *corrected
03:00:44 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: I don't care about what she's doing, I care about the attitude she's displaying
03:00:49 <lady-3jane> she's in #cryto right now being not-corrected
03:00:51 <joepie91> if you're not in #cryto you're probably missing this
03:01:01 <twitchyliquid64> right.
03:01:01 <joepie91> but she's basically still arguing the scammer justification
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03:02:28 <weechat_user> I find it alarming how you are using the scammer defense, Divinite
03:02:31 <weechat_user> "well, if they don't want to be scammed, they should be more careful... I'm not doing anything wrontg"
03:02:37 <weechat_user> whoops
03:02:39 <weechat_user> wrong channel derp
03:03:16 <joepie91> I'm so used to typing crytocc
03:03:20 <joepie91> that I fail to type cryto
03:03:22 <joepie91> lol
03:05:27 <joepie91> well, it's clear
03:05:34 <joepie91> Divinite does not give a fuck about anyone elses security or privacy
03:05:43 <joepie91> apparently doesn't care that she's using the scammer defense either
03:05:57 <joepie91> and ignores me without even attempting to discuss anything, no matter how calm the discussion
03:06:00 <lady-3jane> it's coming from you, it'll automatically be discarded
03:06:03 <lady-3jane> welcome to people
03:06:04 <joepie91> just because it confronts her with shit she doesn't want to think about it
03:06:22 <joepie91> er, doesn't want to think about *
03:06:54 * joepie91 throws redonate feature application into trashbin
03:07:07 <joepie91> I have absolutely no interest in supporting a project based on such carelessness
03:07:12 <joepie91> so, fuck that
03:07:18 <joepie91> and yes, I'm pissed
03:07:31 <joepie91> selfish fucking asshole
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03:13:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> dood
03:13:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> that was fuxed urp
03:13:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> oh well
03:14:07 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: yes, yes it was
03:14:56 <lady-3jane> stoned and caffeine? that sounds like a terrible idea
03:15:17 * wh1t3r4bb1t does two back flips, lands on head. walks in the snow with bare feet.
03:15:48 * wh1t3r4bb1t is so high he dgaf about nothin but caffeine.
03:16:32 * wh1t3r4bb1t runs around the room slapping asses
03:17:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Have you seen my marbles?
03:18:47 <lady-3jane> you any good at marbles?
03:20:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm a pro
03:20:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> But I get steely
03:37:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> my connection is poopstain tonight
03:47:17 <lady-3jane> hmm, apparently if I drink for a long time I have to increase the alcohol amount to keep being drunk?
03:47:20 <lady-3jane> does that make sense?
03:47:40 <lady-3jane> rather than a maintenance amount, you have to increase over time?
03:47:48 * lady-3jane squints
03:50:25 <joepie91> right, time to remove all traces of mysql_* from CPHP
03:54:55 <twitchyliquid64> lady-3jane: what part of shopping is emotionally draining?
03:55:06 <lady-3jane> the shopping part
03:55:51 <twitchyliquid64> but why?
03:56:07 <twitchyliquid64> im trying to understand what componenet of the shopping experience is so draining
03:56:10 <lady-3jane> Well I already said I'm not sure
03:56:15 <lady-3jane> it's not a component
03:56:18 <twitchyliquid64> is it interacting with people?
03:56:19 <lady-3jane> the entire thing is draining
03:56:24 <twitchyliquid64> the walking?
03:56:29 <twitchyliquid64> carrying shit?
03:56:36 <lady-3jane> no, it's the shopping part
03:56:41 <twitchyliquid64> having to see all the marketing shit?
03:56:56 <lady-3jane> having to filter all the marketing shit probably
03:57:40 <lady-3jane> I don't like having to walk around critically evaluating every thing I can see
03:57:44 <lady-3jane> I don't like spending money
04:00:39 <lady-3jane> I'm also completely disinterested in it, and take every effort to talk about something /else/ while I'm doing it
04:01:01 <lady-3jane> I really just don't fucking like it. I hate consumerism in my core.
04:01:12 <lady-3jane> I'm a motherfucking citizen, not a consumer.
04:01:58 <lady-3jane> and so I have to walk around and look at things I don't want and don't need trying to keep down my hatred for everything purchasing, everything advertising
04:02:16 <lady-3jane> I think it's not hard to see why it's draining
04:04:29 <lady-3jane> oh! fuck!
04:04:38 <lady-3jane> I found 20$ today and I know what I'mma do with it
04:04:40 <lady-3jane> buy bleach!
04:04:56 <lady-3jane> I am fucking coloring my hair orange sunday. that's what the fuck I'm doing.
04:05:09 <lady-3jane> bitchin.
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04:24:39 <wh1t3r4bb1t> fluttershy? is that you?
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04:27:00 <lady-3jane> wh1t3r4bb1t:) who?
04:28:12 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Dash? is that you?
04:31:52 <lady-3jane> NP: [Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger [feat. Christina Aguilera]] [Hands All Over [2011 Reissue]] [1008kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
04:35:22 <joepie91> root@vps10:/var/sites/redonate/public_html# php -f cron.daily.php
04:35:22 <joepie91> PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught exception 'NotFoundException' with message 'No results for specified query.' in /var/sites/cphp/class.databaserecord.php:634
04:35:22 <joepie91> Stack trace:
04:35:22 <joepie91> #0 /var/sites/redonate/public_html/cron.daily.php(51): CPHPDatabaseRecordClass::CreateFromQuery('SELECT * FROM c...')
04:35:22 <joepie91> #1 {main}
04:35:22 <joepie91>   thrown in /var/sites/cphp/class.databaserecord.php on line 634
04:35:24 <joepie91> goddamnit
04:35:27 <joepie91> I fail
04:36:53 <lady-3jane> derp'd
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04:44:29 <joepie91> There isn't any PDO::PARAM for decimals / floats, you'll have to use PDO::PARAM_STR.
04:44:31 <joepie91> jesus christ php
04:44:37 <joepie91> even if you do something right, you end up doing it wrong
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05:59:56 <> Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNEL. |, | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Online Flash IDE: | Cryto Research: | RIP Aaron Swartz
05:59:56 <> Users on #crytocc: loggy MK_FG xnite null_ `\ ebola lady-3jane AnonForecast DrWhat cr[a]tes razentka foolex Kamonra evilworks IR601 Ishaq smithsonian_ joepie91_ wh1t3r4bb1t truetravesty jamesbt aHlTat twitchyliquid64 ~joepie91 shikat Chasenet
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06:01:50 <Divinite> Thank you
06:01:56 <Divinite> I apologise about my friends
06:03:01 <joepie91> your friends, that happen to connect from the exact same IP with the exact same realname and ident
06:03:14 <Divinite> Also, if someone wants to join a channel
06:03:19 <Divinite> where joepie91 is not raging at people
06:03:29 <Divinite> join #freetalk
06:06:15 <MK_FG> Hehe, yeah, it's hard to find a channel where joepie91 is not raging at people these days</troll>
06:06:53 <MK_FG> Also, shouldn't people who use gost cipher or hash be insta-banned on the internet?
06:07:55 <Divinite> LOL
06:08:19 <Divinite> I typed the wrong one, was thinking about one
06:08:24 <Divinite> And yeah
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06:31:37 <lady-3jane> I think it's funny because I put snip in the filename
06:31:50 <lady-3jane> and I'm all like "no shit, sherlock"
06:32:02 <lady-3jane> I don't have daily log files, so no fucking shit I snipped it
06:34:12 <lady-3jane> hey Divinite ^
06:44:46 <lady-3jane> I'm also rather sure I didn't miss anything. You asked for confirmed email down, that's what I produced.
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11:57:58 <> Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNEL. |, | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Online Flash IDE: | Cryto Research: | RIP Aaron Swartz
11:57:58 <> Users on #crytocc: loggy BLTGeno sila-jain dlite zest truetravesty evilworks Divinite MK_FG xnite null_ `\ ebola lady-3jane AnonForecast DrWhat cr[a]tes razentka foolex Kamonra IR601 Ishaq smithsonian_ joepie91_ wh1t3r4bb1t jamesbt aHlTat twitchyliquid64 ~joepie91 shikat Chasenet
11:58:01 <joepie91> should be over now
11:58:13 <twitchyliquid64> right
11:58:17 * DrWhat pugs a log on loggy
11:58:21 <DrWhat> Hes staying now
11:58:47 <joepie91> lol
11:59:00 <DrWhat> he laughed, im off the hok
11:59:02 <DrWhat> :D
12:00:21 <twitchyliquid64> anyone here been to a foam party?
12:00:22 <joepie91> DrWhat: you seem to be in a good mood
12:00:29 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: those things still happen?
12:00:35 <DrWhat> drwhat
12:00:46 <DrWhat> WTF
12:00:56 <DrWhat> O_O
12:01:17 <DrWhat> twitchyliquid64 ... Sounds gay
12:01:31 <DrWhat> Is it acohol foam?
12:01:53 <twitchyliquid64> DrWhat: joepie91: someone just invited me to one
12:02:00 <twitchyliquid64> I want to know about them
12:02:09 <twitchyliquid64> and foam, as in dance party + foam
12:02:13 <DrWhat> Borning
12:02:20 <DrWhat> Like big pillow fights :/
12:02:25 <DrWhat> but with wussy foam
12:02:32 <twitchyliquid64>
12:02:41 <DrWhat> and it ruins your clothes
12:02:48 <zest> rock on
12:02:58 <twitchyliquid64> The guy said the foam these days doesnt stain
12:03:15 <DrWhat> you can never beleive them
12:03:42 <twitchyliquid64> who here has been to one?
12:04:15 <twitchyliquid64> can you 1) rate it out of 10, where 1 is worst party and 10 is best party youve ever been to. 2) say why
12:04:18 <DrWhat> Nope
12:04:21 <DrWhat> Dont like the idea
12:04:25 <twitchyliquid64> tbh I thought foam would be kinda kinky
12:04:33 <DrWhat> I tend to go the Bra pparties :D
12:04:41 <twitchyliquid64> whats that?
12:04:58 <zest> seems about tits ^^
12:05:04 <DrWhat> girls in underware
12:05:07 <DrWhat> :P
12:05:10 <zest> )
12:05:26 <DrWhat> swinging
12:05:47 <twitchyliquid64> DrWhat: what do the guys wear?
12:05:50 <zest> don't whats better wet girls or in underwear girls ...  
12:05:55 <zest> * know
12:06:01 <DrWhat> fongs :)
12:06:12 <twitchyliquid64> wet girls tend to strip to underwhere?
12:06:15 <twitchyliquid64> *wear
12:06:25 <DrWhat> ware*
12:06:26 <DrWhat> :P
12:06:38 <DrWhat> men waer golden fongs
12:06:48 <DrWhat> girls come in what ever they choose
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12:08:38 <zest> suck
12:10:56 <DrWhat> Whos tried out youtube HTML5?
12:11:35 <DrWhat> It only really works 100% in chrome
12:11:45 <DrWhat> firefox is missing h.65
12:12:03 <joepie91> DrWhat: I use it
12:12:08 <joepie91> it's quite pleasant
12:12:22 <DrWhat> in chrome i guess
12:12:26 <joepie91> minor bug: ad-supported videos use flash player on video page, but html5 player on all other pages (like channel page)
12:12:26 <joepie91> yes
12:12:57 <DrWhat> It works full html5 in firefox
12:13:05 <joepie91> no it doesn't
12:13:12 <joepie91> it will use flash player on videos with ads
12:13:13 <DrWhat> But somtimes you cant watch a video becuase of some error
12:13:40 <DrWhat> nope
12:13:48 <DrWhat> if the videa has adds i get this error
12:13:48 <DrWhat>
12:14:26 <DrWhat> Im missing
12:14:27 <DrWhat> h.264
12:14:30 <joepie91> DrWhat: no, that error means it uses a codec that you don't have
12:14:30 <joepie91> yes
12:14:35 <joepie91> has nothing to do with ads
12:14:51 <DrWhat> i have the thing codec
12:14:59 <DrWhat> the full free codec thing
12:15:02 <DrWhat> can remeber whats it called
12:15:14 <DrWhat> K-Lite Codec Pack
12:15:21 <DrWhat> i got that
12:17:07 <joepie91> DrWhat : doesn't matter
12:17:15 <joepie91> afaik it's about codecs included in the browser
12:17:24 <DrWhat> well
12:17:25 <DrWhat> h.264
12:17:28 <DrWhat> is a k-lite codec
12:17:51 <DrWhat>
12:18:11 <DrWhat> so idont see how it can say i dont have it
12:22:05 <joepie91> wtf
12:22:09 <joepie91> when I try to pay an invoice
12:22:12 <joepie91> paypal says I'm limietd
12:22:15 <joepie91> limited *
12:22:18 <joepie91> I log into my account
12:22:21 <joepie91> status: verified, no open issues
12:22:22 <joepie91> ???
12:24:30 <DrWhat> ?
12:24:41 <DrWhat> My paypal is limited :(
12:24:44 <joepie91> idk
12:34:13 * DrWhat throws apples at joepie91
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14:42:30 <MK_FG> Just seen on twitter this most awesome thing -
14:42:57 <MK_FG> Must-add to all the auth-related pages
15:05:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> no sleep till brooklyn
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15:40:12 <lady-3jane> Divinite:) you're fucking retarded, seriously. The bit you think I missed was over an hour after you asked me for the log.
15:40:34 <lady-3jane> jesus fucking christ
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15:42:22 <lady-3jane> I don't much care about the discussion between you and joe, but I will nail your ass to a cross if you start accusing me of lacking integrity or transparency.
15:42:41 <lady-3jane> Let that be known.
15:53:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> You know how the facebook signup form has text in it before you type and the text stays there while it has focus but the cursor is at the 0 position and then when you keypress the text goes away....?  How is that done in jquery?
15:54:52 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I know how to put text in there but i don't know how to st the cursor at the 0 position and leave the text there while not allowing the cursor to scroll through the existing letters in the field
16:03:38 <DrWhat> Current bandwidth: [Downstream: 23.34MB/s] × [Upstream: 506.14KB/s]
16:03:54 <DrWhat> Im downloading 2086 steam games
16:04:03 <DrWhat> about 20 tb :/
16:04:07 <DrWhat> :D
16:04:15 <DrWhat> Oh yeah
16:04:19 <DrWhat> Plus all the DLC
16:04:24 <DrWhat> there an exploit out
16:04:31 <DrWhat> all steam games free
16:04:32 <DrWhat> Soo
16:04:41 <DrWhat> Im using my space
16:04:45 <DrWhat> all of it
16:04:47 <DrWhat> then
16:04:53 <DrWhat> Ill upload al lthe game to a server
16:04:58 <DrWhat> and yeah
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16:05:13 <DrWhat> Oh ehllo
16:05:15 <DrWhat> ttmbRAT was last seen on #crytocc as "tmbucky", 8hrs 8secs ago
16:05:25 <DrWhat> I thought you stoped visiting
16:05:28 <DrWhat> I missed you
16:05:36 <DrWhat> NOW FUCK OFF
16:06:05 <DrWhat> joepie91 shune him
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16:06:33 <joepie91> <wh1t3r4bb1t>You know how the facebook signup form has text in it before you type and the text stays there while it has focus but the cursor is at the 0 position and then when you keypress the text goes away....?  How is that done in jquery?
16:06:33 <joepie91> <wh1t3r4bb1t>I know how to put text in there but i don't know how to st the cursor at the 0 position and leave the text there while not allowing the cursor to scroll through the existing letters in the field
16:06:38 <joepie91> it's not using jquery, mostly
16:06:41 <joepie91> it's the placeholder attribute
16:06:52 <joepie91> <input type="text" placeholder="Type something">
16:07:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Hmm
16:07:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ]I try that
16:07:40 <wh1t3r4bb1t> thanks
16:08:07 <joepie91> not all browsers support it but most do
16:08:17 <joepie91> and you could probably hack something in there using jquery
16:08:19 <joepie91> as fallback
16:08:23 <joepie91> that reads out placeholder arg
16:08:55 <DrWhat> joepie91
16:08:57 <DrWhat> shikat: )
16:09:01 <DrWhat> Fuck
16:09:03 <DrWhat> shikat: )
16:09:05 <DrWhat> WTF
16:09:11 <DrWhat> hi, :)
16:09:17 <DrWhat> thats what i was tring to say
16:10:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> dude that is so simple it's rediculous
16:10:36 <joepie91> DrWhat: hai
16:10:41 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: it's fairly new
16:10:49 <joepie91> make sure you're using html5 doctype
16:10:54 <joepie91> because I think that's where it was introduced
16:10:57 <joepie91> <!doctype html>
16:10:58 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Well like html5 new
16:11:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> but thats not THAT new
16:11:12 <DrWhat> what happned to html4?
16:11:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> no such thing
16:11:28 <DrWhat> what do you mine
16:11:42 <DrWhat> you can version somthing ontop of somthing that does not exsit
16:11:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> They went from html straight to html5
16:12:00 <wh1t3r4bb1t> j/k
16:12:08 <DrWhat> there must of been a html 4?
16:12:13 <DrWhat> or html3?
16:12:19 <joepie91> ...
16:12:21 <joepie91> HTML4.01?
16:12:26 <joepie91> that's what was used before HTML5?
16:12:27 <DrWhat> They dont call IPv6 just for the fun of it
16:12:30 <joepie91> not sure where the question here is
16:12:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> yes but I killed them all so that html5 could take over
16:12:54 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: meh. HTML5 doesn't have framesets.
16:13:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> me and html5 are getting married
16:13:09 <DrWhat> html5 sucks
16:13:28 <joepie91> HTML5 is great, but it does not have framesets
16:13:28 <joepie91> and that irks me
16:14:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> framesets are so html2
16:14:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> or was it 2.5
16:14:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> anyways that's oldschool
16:15:41 <DrWhat> frame sets allow a page to not become mutated on diffrent resolusions
16:16:24 <joepie91> DrWhat: eh, that's not what to use framesets for
16:16:44 <joepie91> what to use framesets for, is for things like anonnews external news
16:16:47 <joepie91> where you have a top bar from anonnews
16:16:53 <joepie91> and the rest of the screen is filled with the actual page
16:17:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> yep
16:17:48 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it's for bringing multi domian content into one window without curl or ajax
16:17:51 <joepie91> and before someone tries to say iframes are a replacements
16:17:54 <joepie91> replacement *
16:17:55 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ollllld school
16:17:56 <joepie91> no, they're not
16:18:05 <joepie91> not until you can set a proper fill-the-rest-of-the-screen size
16:18:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> before they even know soap was gonna happen
16:18:06 <joepie91> without JS
16:20:08 <shikat> Hai there.
16:20:54 <wh1t3r4bb1t> oooooh no he fohgit dah pahwoo
16:21:24 <wh1t3r4bb1t> say that is your best asian voice and it's hilarious
16:21:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> js
16:21:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> sorry for the distraction... back to work
16:22:16 <joepie91> hai shikat
16:25:16 <lady-3jane> fuck, fucked up my foot on the way back from the store
16:25:23 * lady-3jane removes shoe in case it swells
16:29:16 <joepie91> what happened?
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16:35:01 <joepie91> what's with all the cries for help lately
16:36:49 <lady-3jane> joepie91:) some assclown wouldn't take their turn right so I went between them and the curb... hit the split between the concrete and blacktop wrong and almost flipped my bike. kicked the ground with my inside (right) foot to stabilize, which was hard enough to temporarily paralyze my foot from shock :/
16:38:24 <joepie91> :(
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16:42:28 <lady-3jane> It'll be fine haha, I just had to stop for a minute and let my leg unparalyze itself
16:42:50 <lady-3jane> I had forgotten what shock pain felt like
16:42:51 <lady-3jane> hehe
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16:44:06 <joepie91> I guess I'll flick the switch on redonate tomorro
16:44:09 <joepie91> tomorrow *
16:44:39 <lady-3jane> kay kay
16:44:46 <lady-3jane> yeah should be fresh and up for launch
16:45:06 <lady-3jane> see you in 8h?
16:45:09 <spoonzy> anyone got a riseup mail account?
16:46:12 <joepie91> lady-3jane: something like that
16:46:13 <joepie91> goodnight
16:46:22 <lady-3jane> night :)
16:46:25 <lady-3jane> bon nuit!
16:46:37 <lady-3jane> wait is night female
16:46:38 <lady-3jane> shit
16:46:39 <lady-3jane> lol
16:46:45 <lady-3jane> might be bonne nuit
16:47:06 <lady-3jane> indeed
16:47:08 <lady-3jane> bonne nuit!
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17:56:06 <lady-3jane> It's sorta terrifying how much less ram I use when I'm using e17 instead of unity
17:56:09 <lady-3jane> holy crap
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18:11:44 <MK_FG> Doesn't your browser eat like 80% of it anyway?
18:16:24 <lady-3jane> MK_FG:) that was the assumption, but I've got crazy tabs right now and am using much less ram... the only thing different is I'm using e17 and not unity
18:16:41 <lady-3jane> so perhaps that's a large component of the difference
18:20:10 <lady-3jane> hah, launched chrome, ram usage went up by 600m, and I'm still under 2.3g ram
18:20:12 <lady-3jane> wtf mang
18:20:19 <lady-3jane> so much lighter
18:21:43 <MK_FG> conky seem to help me a lot to keep track of such things
18:22:13 <lady-3jane> dunno what that is
18:22:18 * lady-3jane uses htop
18:22:57 <lady-3jane> ahh some sort of system monitor
18:23:09 <MK_FG> I don't run top or something like that on a laptop just to check on what eats how much, but always seem to know the hogs and overall res usage just from occasional glance to it
18:23:48 <lady-3jane> does it run in a window?
18:23:50 <MK_FG> <-- that thing on the left
18:23:55 <lady-3jane> or is it one of the ones that plasters itself on the background
18:24:15 <lady-3jane> yeah it plasters to background
18:24:19 <MK_FG> It can do both
18:24:21 <lady-3jane> I can't see those e.e
18:24:31 * lady-3jane never sees the background
18:24:55 <MK_FG> I only see it on desktop with terminals and misc apps (1)
18:25:25 <MK_FG> And seem to have some habit of trackng apps through it w/o thinking about it ;)
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18:25:39 <lady-3jane> hehe alright
18:25:43 <MK_FG> So I'd say get something like this, maybe on some overlay window
18:26:04 <lady-3jane> I use htop and order by memory usage, though usually cpu usage because that's what I was used to from windows
18:27:44 <lady-3jane> hmm
18:27:57 <lady-3jane> I'm trying to make a widget box and I want the html for it to be at the bottom
18:28:05 <lady-3jane> so it's last on small screens
18:28:10 <lady-3jane> but I can't get it to go UP
18:28:18 * lady-3jane grumbles
18:34:07 <lady-3jane> hmm
18:34:18 <lady-3jane> if I ruin the centering of the main content block, it works
18:34:19 <lady-3jane> :|
18:38:45 <DrWhat> DAMN
18:38:48 <DrWhat> i just reliesed
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19:34:40 <DrWhat> :3
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