Cryto! 15 February 2013

00:03:57 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: Ive decided what I want to do with my p2p engine
00:04:06 <twitchyliquid64> I want to make a community oriented VPN software
00:04:11 <joepie91> let me interrupt your explanation for a quick message of joy
00:04:12 <joepie91>
00:04:18 <joepie91> reddit now accepts bitcoin
00:04:19 <joepie91> carry on :)
00:04:33 <twitchyliquid64> A hybrid between darknet systems, and conventional VPNs
00:04:52 <twitchyliquid64> with all the usual services builtin to the archecture.
00:05:01 <twitchyliquid64> IE: chat, email, eepsites etcv
00:05:03 <twitchyliquid64> *etc
00:05:06 <twitchyliquid64> see what I mean?
00:05:30 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: yes, I just don't really see the use
00:05:33 <joepie91> of it
00:05:33 <joepie91> :P
00:05:52 <twitchyliquid64> Im trying to address the problem of conventional VPN software being too static, infrastructure oriented, and unable to automagically scale
00:06:32 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: imagine a conventional darknet for say a university.
00:06:38 <twitchyliquid64> now imagine it 100x better :P
00:06:45 <joepie91> better how?
00:06:50 <joepie91> I still don't see the advantages over, say, I2P
00:06:53 <twitchyliquid64> zero-config
00:07:00 <twitchyliquid64> easy to deploy
00:07:02 <joepie91> so is I2P
00:07:04 <joepie91> re: both
00:07:05 <twitchyliquid64> i2p == global
00:07:08 <joepie91> so?
00:07:11 <twitchyliquid64> VPN = private
00:07:17 <twitchyliquid64> separate networks
00:07:20 <joepie91> so?
00:07:51 <twitchyliquid64> Security principles.
00:08:05 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: your explanation is insufficient
00:08:08 <joepie91> what makes this better than I2P
00:08:10 <twitchyliquid64> right
00:08:10 <joepie91> in concrete terms
00:08:14 <joepie91> provable clear advantages
00:08:19 <joepie91> not just "I2P is X and this is Y"
00:08:24 <joepie91> actual motivation as to why Y is better
00:08:34 <twitchyliquid64> Its not so much better, as different. saying 100x better is a bit of an exageration
00:09:20 <twitchyliquid64> With I2P the emphasis is on a global, anonymous network with secured data transfers.
00:09:26 <twitchyliquid64> however, in this system
00:09:32 <twitchyliquid64> (still got no name yo)
00:10:59 <twitchyliquid64> the emphasis is being able to setup a reasonably secure zero-config VPN, which routes optimally and self-repairs. Consider it a hybrid between the uses of I2P, conventional VPN software, and a zero-config/maintainance model.
00:11:19 <joepie91> 'self-repairs'?
00:11:34 <twitchyliquid64> in a conventional network IP/VPN/whatever
00:11:39 <twitchyliquid64> if a switch goes down
00:11:48 <twitchyliquid64> you lose the ability to contact hosts
00:12:14 <twitchyliquid64> in my network, it detects and rebuilds new routes within a few seconds of a node failure
00:12:24 <twitchyliquid64> Ive already implemented and tested that.
00:12:33 <joepie91> I2P... also has that
00:12:34 <joepie91> so basically
00:12:38 <joepie91> the only difference between the two is
00:12:41 <twitchyliquid64> I2P doesnt need that
00:12:44 <twitchyliquid64> its not packet switched
00:12:45 <joepie91> that your idea 'routes optimally'
00:12:53 <twitchyliquid64> its entirely a different framework
00:12:56 <joepie91> while I2P 'routes randomly'
00:13:00 <twitchyliquid64> IP and I2P are incomparable
00:13:02 <joepie91> I don't care about the framework, I care about the practical result
00:13:11 <joepie91> the only practical diference is the routing method
00:13:11 <twitchyliquid64> your asking an invalid question
00:13:26 <twitchyliquid64> I2P DOES NOT have that
00:13:28 <twitchyliquid64> as you say
00:13:42 <twitchyliquid64> *I
00:13:51 <twitchyliquid64> do you need me to explain?
00:14:11 <joepie91> sigh
00:14:17 <joepie91> let me rephrase my question, twitchyliquid64
00:14:23 <twitchyliquid64> sure
00:14:25 <joepie91> what *practical* reasons would someone have to use your thingie over I2P
00:14:54 <twitchyliquid64> I2P uses java. (come on, thats a good reason :P)
00:15:00 <twitchyliquid64> I2P is CPU heavy
00:15:22 <joepie91> I am talking about the I2P protocol
00:15:23 <joepie91> not the router
00:15:33 <twitchyliquid64> oh
00:15:36 <twitchyliquid64> well
00:15:43 <twitchyliquid64> thats just design choices
00:15:56 <joepie91> what is the practical difference?
00:16:22 <twitchyliquid64> I2P is more secure mainly
00:16:33 <twitchyliquid64> and anonymous
00:16:44 <joepie91> okay, so what would be the point of using your thing?
00:17:27 <twitchyliquid64> For your own private network?
00:17:53 <twitchyliquid64> Also, throughput and latency on I2P is not great
00:18:26 <joepie91> and why would you want your own network with such an architecture
00:19:12 <twitchyliquid64> what if a uni club wants to setup a network for linking all their servers and users? using I2P would introduce additional latency, when all the connections could just be in the same city
00:19:34 <twitchyliquid64> What if a corporation wants to make their network available from home?
00:20:00 <twitchyliquid64> What if several programmers want to link their home networks together over the internet?
00:21:29 <twitchyliquid64> Also, I2P isnt exactly suited for linking IP networks. Sure, it could be done, but I dont know how effective it would be
00:22:42 <joepie91> <twitchyliquid64>what if a uni club wants to setup a network for linking all their servers and users? using I2P would introduce additional latency, when all the connections could just be in the same city
00:22:49 <joepie91> then they install openvpn, edit a config for 10 minutes, and are done?
00:23:00 <twitchyliquid64> There are problems with OpenVPN
00:23:03 <joepie91> like?
00:23:05 <twitchyliquid64> namely how static It can be
00:23:08 <twitchyliquid64> if nodes go down
00:23:11 <twitchyliquid64> routes become dead
00:23:41 <twitchyliquid64> Also, openVPN has the client-server feel
00:24:02 <twitchyliquid64> While im not sure about this one, doesnt sound like it could scale diagonally
00:25:27 <joepie91> <twitchyliquid64>if nodes go down
00:25:27 <joepie91> <twitchyliquid64>routes become dead
00:25:30 <joepie91> ummm....
00:25:33 <joepie91> round robin DNS?
00:25:50 <joepie91> I'm really not quite sure what problem you're trying to solve that hasn't already been solved..
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00:35:19 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: round robin DNS does not solve when switches go down
00:35:50 <twitchyliquid64> It will solve when a specific server goes down, by having other servers available
00:36:16 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: are you not aware of things like BGP?
00:36:27 <joepie91> I really get the idea that you're not sure what problem you're trying to solve
00:36:33 <twitchyliquid64> Yepp
00:36:43 <joepie91> if a switch is down, then either A. there is a backup switch and your traffic will be routed over there anyway
00:36:56 <joepie91> or B. there's no backup switch and you have no connection, and no fallover system is going to fix that
00:37:08 <twitchyliquid64> Backup switches require configuration
00:37:10 <twitchyliquid64> and hardware
00:37:18 <joepie91> you're not reading what I say carefully enough
00:37:21 <joepie91> <joepie91>or B. there's no backup switch and you have no connection, and no fallover system is going to fix that
00:37:28 <joepie91> if you have no connection, you have no connection
00:37:31 <twitchyliquid64> why not use your users as a backup switch like my system?
00:37:38 <joepie91> because you have no connection?
00:37:54 <joepie91> like, really, this is how IP already works
00:38:05 <twitchyliquid64> well, for starters, this is an overlay netowrk
00:38:09 <twitchyliquid64> so thats not an issue
00:38:20 <twitchyliquid64> if you have no layer3 connection, your fucked
00:38:25 <twitchyliquid64> either way
00:39:03 <twitchyliquid64> But if your switch goes down or loses its connection?
00:39:11 <twitchyliquid64> then the users act as failover
00:39:36 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: okay, I have a feeling we disagree on terms here
00:39:38 <joepie91> define 'switch'/
00:40:11 <twitchyliquid64> something which takes packets in the network and routes them towards the destination
00:40:15 <twitchyliquid64> NOTE:
00:40:39 <twitchyliquid64> switch is not nessesarily for the underlying network, but could also refer to the overlay (VPN) network
00:41:10 <joepie91> that's pretty much the misunderstanding I'm trying to clear up here
00:41:18 <joepie91> which do you mean
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00:41:57 <twitchyliquid64> ok
00:42:27 <twitchyliquid64> so in the VPN network, IP addresses are/translatedto 64bit identifiers
00:42:59 <twitchyliquid64> every node participating the the VPN network can act as a switch
00:43:31 <twitchyliquid64> if a nearby node wants to communicate with x, and there is a node nearby who is decent, the node can send its message via that node
00:43:43 <twitchyliquid64> the node that relayed the message is a switch
00:43:46 <twitchyliquid64> understand?
00:43:55 <joepie91> yes, but I don't see the practical advantage
00:44:21 <twitchyliquid64> the advantage is that you dont have static routes and non-dynamic routing ir:RIP
00:44:29 <twitchyliquid64> if a route becomes slow or dead
00:44:31 <joepie91> how often does a VPN network fail
00:44:38 <twitchyliquid64> it scales by routing through other means
00:44:42 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: when you need it
00:44:49 <joepie91> I have not experienced such an issue..
00:45:01 <twitchyliquid64> Clearly dont use a big VPN network
00:45:04 <joepie91> if you have one backup VPN server, the chance of things completely failing is practically zero already
00:45:09 <joepie91> this seems like reinventing the wheel
00:45:22 <twitchyliquid64> one backup server, just like the IRC network :P
00:46:45 <joepie91> yes, except openvpn + round robin has a proper fallover mechanism
00:46:47 <joepie91> and unraelircd doesn't
00:46:49 <joepie91> unrealircd *
00:46:52 <joepie91> plus VPN doesn't have services
00:47:40 <twitchyliquid64> hence the hybrid between VPN and I2P
00:47:48 <twitchyliquid64> integrated services and service discovery
00:47:58 <twitchyliquid64> feels more li a personalised 'network'
00:49:33 <twitchyliquid64> also, most VPNs require quite a bit of configuration
00:49:49 <twitchyliquid64> failover requires even more
00:50:30 <twitchyliquid64> and if you want it to do the routing automatically, you need to ALSO setup a protocol like ospf
00:52:06 <twitchyliquid64> I agree OPenVPN could probably be made to work with a shitload of config, and backup servers, setting up routing protcols like ospf ...
00:52:17 <twitchyliquid64> but why not use something that has all those solutions builtin?
00:52:22 <twitchyliquid64> and does it all automatically?
00:52:51 <twitchyliquid64> yes, there are substantial similarities
00:53:02 * twitchyliquid64 pokes joepie91
00:53:02 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: that's called an auto-installer
00:53:15 <twitchyliquid64> ew
00:53:30 <twitchyliquid64> I dont see the aversion you have
00:53:34 <twitchyliquid64> to new software
00:53:40 <twitchyliquid64> just cause a similar solution exists
00:54:04 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: I do not have an aversion towards new software
00:54:15 <twitchyliquid64> thats the impression your giving
00:54:18 <twitchyliquid64> to me
00:54:29 <joepie91> I have an aversion towards putting time into something that isn't really necessary
00:54:36 <joepie91> when there are other things that are necessary
00:54:45 <joepie91> I also have an aversion towards inefficient methods
00:54:54 <joepie91> for example, by writing an install script and config script
00:54:58 <joepie91> you could probably do the exact same with openvpn
00:55:02 <joepie91> in a fraction of the time
00:55:16 <twitchyliquid64> thats no fun
00:55:17 <twitchyliquid64> also
00:55:23 <twitchyliquid64> your talking to the guy
00:55:36 <twitchyliquid64> who runs his own custom webserver rather than lighttpd
00:55:39 <twitchyliquid64> and his own mail server
00:55:47 <twitchyliquid64> in fact all the code on his box is custom
00:55:50 <twitchyliquid64> :P
00:56:03 <twitchyliquid64> except irssi
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00:57:26 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: see, you never specified the 'fun' aspect
00:57:32 <joepie91> if you want to do it for fun, then by all means go ahead
00:57:39 <joepie91> I just don't see a real practical use for it
00:57:39 <joepie91> :p
00:57:51 <twitchyliquid64> it has its uses as well :P
00:57:55 <twitchyliquid64> I try and focus on that
00:58:09 <joepie91> the practical uses for this would be terribly limited
00:58:13 <joepie91> I'd recommend focusing on the fun aspect
00:58:23 <twitchyliquid64> besides, no one has really tried using a p2p packetswitched archtecture for a VPN
00:58:31 <twitchyliquid64> it could work really well
00:58:34 <twitchyliquid64> (or really badly)
00:58:52 <joepie91> okay, wow, housemate just gave me notes of house meeting.. they are not in comic sans, and not in times new roman, but in a monospace font and nicely formatted
00:59:04 <twitchyliquid64> yay nonospace
00:59:08 <twitchyliquid64> house meeting?
01:00:18 <joepie91> ya
01:00:21 <joepie91> I have to move soon
01:00:24 <joepie91> so we had a meeting
01:00:26 <joepie91> to discuss plans etc
01:00:36 <twitchyliquid64> your moving as a group?
01:00:55 <joepie91> maybe, maybe not
01:00:57 <joepie91> undetermined for now
01:00:59 <joepie91> anyway
01:01:01 <joepie91> I should really get back to work
01:01:06 <joepie91> should've done that 30 mins ago
01:01:06 <joepie91> >.>
01:01:10 <twitchyliquid64> lol
01:01:11 <twitchyliquid64> k
01:01:14 <twitchyliquid64> laterzzz
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02:13:13 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Good morning
02:14:27 <twitchyliquid64> its evening yo
02:14:37 <twitchyliquid64> late evening
02:14:40 <twitchyliquid64> :P
02:14:47 <twitchyliquid64> hows your CSS coming along?
02:14:59 <twitchyliquid64> I took a look at it earlier, it looks fucking amazing <3
02:25:22 <joepie91> bleh
02:25:28 <joepie91> have to wake up at 11AM tomorrow
02:25:29 <joepie91> to clean up shit
02:25:30 <joepie91> :p
02:25:46 <twitchyliquid64> leaving tomorrow? D:
02:25:52 <joepie91> no
02:25:59 <joepie91> owners of building are coming to look at it a last time
02:26:00 <twitchyliquid64> ah. good
02:26:02 <joepie91> so have to clean up a biot
02:26:03 <joepie91> bit *
02:26:07 <twitchyliquid64> ok
02:26:07 <joepie91> probably have to move out on may 1
02:26:17 <joepie91> before *
02:34:18 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Thanks for the compliments twitchyliquid64
02:34:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Household Goods
02:34:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> by Totally Enormous Extinct Dinos
02:34:58 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Im doing PDO right now XD
02:52:25 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Should I use 512 bit salts?
02:52:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Hmmm
02:53:19 <joepie91> that seems excessive
02:55:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 128
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03:03:44 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
03:03:44 <loggy>
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03:26:52 <AnonyOps> Life just sucks, I lost the one, I'm giving up she found someone
03:26:52 <AnonyOps> There's plenty more, girls are such a drag
03:26:59 <AnonyOps> :)
03:27:31 <joepie91> on valentines day too!
03:28:18 <AnonyOps> haha yesh
03:28:25 <AnonyOps>
03:28:32 <AnonyOps> Been listening to this guy
03:28:36 <AnonyOps> damn you enter
03:28:37 <AnonyOps> anyhow
03:28:51 <AnonyOps> been listening to this guy's cover of an awesome song
03:28:59 <AnonyOps> he does a really good job of it.
03:29:16 <AnonyOps> Fuck this place, I lost the war
03:29:17 <AnonyOps> I hate you all, your mom's a whore
03:29:28 <AnonyOps> A song like that, can be made beautiful by this guy lol
03:37:41 <AnonyOps> oh also joepie91
03:37:43 <AnonyOps> sec
03:37:52 <AnonyOps>
03:43:21 <joepie91> AnonyOps: heh
03:43:27 <joepie91> looks like jagex is learning how2community
03:44:51 <lady-3jane>
03:45:03 <lady-3jane> soon: actual usage
03:46:57 <lady-3jane> I'm getting much better and quicker about setting up wikis
03:47:08 <lady-3jane> now I must learn from experts about extra things to do
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03:53:09 <AnonyOps> @joepie Nah, they only did this cuz they know they'll make mad money from it
03:53:10 <AnonyOps> you have to be a member to vote
03:53:24 <AnonyOps> and they want at least 50k votes, but are pushing for 750k
03:54:00 <twitchyliquid64> AnonyOps: :)
03:54:11 <AnonyOps> implying 750k people sign up for members just to vote, which a lot will (including myself most likely), they will get $5,692,500
03:54:18 <AnonyOps> twitchy hai
03:55:02 <AnonyOps> not sure why the vote isn't online yet though >:(
03:55:11 <AnonyOps> I know it's Friday in the UK right now.
03:55:56 <AnonyOps> Funny though, their site is under so much traffic due to the rapid F5's that their site is going slow haha
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03:57:50 <noone> hey
03:57:50 <AnonyOps> also, going to bed now
03:57:51 <noone> AnonyOps
03:57:52 <noone> guesswho
03:57:52 <AnonyOps> Night all!
03:57:55 <AnonyOps> ooh
03:57:56 <noone> D:<
03:57:57 <AnonyOps> wait
03:58:01 <AnonyOps> hm...
03:58:03 <AnonyOps> sec
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03:58:04 <AnonyOps> I got this
03:58:05 <AnonyOps> ooo?
03:58:07 <noone> that help?
03:58:12 <noone> no
03:58:16 <noone> i wish
03:58:17 <noone> i love ooo
03:58:21 <noone> look at my username
03:58:22 <AnonyOps> I miss him :(
03:58:29 <noone> bucking faggot leaving us
03:58:29 <noone> lol
03:58:46 <AnonyOps> heh
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03:58:51 <AnonyOps> :o
03:58:53 <AnonyOps> HI!
03:58:53 <noone> o:
03:58:55 <noone> HAI O:
03:59:06 <AnonyOps> How goes it :3
03:59:09 <noone> how have you been o:
03:59:16 <noone> it goes good broheam :3
03:59:17 <AnonyOps> Eh, alright. Busy!!
03:59:23 <AnonyOps> Good to hear
03:59:31 <AnonyOps> Haven't seen you in forever
03:59:33 <noone> nice to hear from you
03:59:34 <noone> yeah :P
03:59:46 <AnonyOps> y u no IRC anymore?
03:59:51 <noone> paranoia and such
03:59:57 <AnonyOps> heh
03:59:58 <AnonyOps> I see
04:00:05 <lady-3jane> well you're in a logged chan
04:00:06 <lady-3jane> n.n
04:00:15 <lady-3jane> care, mang
04:00:24 <noone> i know it is logged :P
04:00:29 <lady-3jane> juusssss checkin
04:00:36 <lady-3jane> :3
04:00:44 <lady-3jane> <--- is drunk
04:00:46 <lady-3jane> :D
04:00:52 <AnonyOps> lel
04:00:57 <AnonyOps> <--- is sober :/
04:00:58 <lady-3jane> NP: [Godsmack - Serenity] [Faceless] [967kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
04:01:01 <AnonyOps> But eh I got work in the AM
04:01:05 <lady-3jane> work?
04:01:08 <AnonyOps> yesh
04:01:09 <lady-3jane> funny joke
04:01:11 <lady-3jane> :D
04:01:13 <AnonyOps> lol
04:01:30 <AnonyOps> also anyone know wtf happened to AnonTune?
04:01:47 <noone> yes AnonyOps, talk to joepie91
04:01:48 <AnonyOps> owait wut
04:01:51 <joepie91> AnonyOps: Art was here last night
04:01:53 <AnonyOps> It's online again
04:01:56 <joepie91> yes
04:01:58 <AnonyOps> The other day it was down
04:01:59 <joepie91> lol
04:02:01 <joepie91> yes
04:02:02 <AnonyOps> I see
04:02:04 <joepie91> german police
04:02:05 <joepie91> seized HDDs
04:02:06 <joepie91> of host node
04:02:07 <AnonyOps> Cuz I was gonna post a link to it
04:02:10 <joepie91> so anontune went down too
04:02:10 <AnonyOps> Ooooooooh
04:02:12 <AnonyOps> lmao...
04:02:15 <lady-3jane> lel
04:02:18 <joepie91> been throwing backups Arts way
04:02:20 <lady-3jane> I see how long that lasted
04:02:20 <joepie91> anyway
04:02:27 <joepie91> AnonyOps
04:02:28 <joepie91> wait with posting
04:02:30 <AnonyOps> I was gonna tweet out a video, and use this site as the holder for it
04:02:31 <joepie91> I think Art has some ideas
04:02:33 <AnonyOps> oh I see
04:02:36 <AnonyOps> ah okay.
04:02:37 <joepie91> aaaanyway
04:02:42 <joepie91> I had backup of like 2 weeks before seizure
04:02:42 <AnonyOps> Well, tell him that if he needs me to toast I will
04:02:44 <joepie91> of anontune
04:02:48 <joepie91> so I gief him backups
04:02:52 <AnonyOps> oh nice!
04:02:53 <joepie91> :P
04:03:04 <noone> Matrix: highlight
04:03:08 * joepie91 obsessed archivist
04:03:10 <joepie91> anyway
04:03:15 <joepie91> about to sleep
04:03:17 <AnonyOps> good thing though!
04:03:17 <joepie91> so, night all :)
04:03:21 <AnonyOps> Mhm me too
04:03:24 <AnonyOps> Night Joepie!
04:03:55 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: GOODNIGHT :D!!!!!
04:04:52 <noone> loggy: pointer?
04:04:52 <loggy>
04:05:06 <AnonyOps> also
04:05:09 <AnonyOps> dat HTML5
04:05:16 <lady-3jane> DAT
04:05:21 <lady-3jane> lol.dat
04:05:30 <AnonyOps> lelolel
04:05:33 <noone> my hostname is better than yours
04:05:42 <noone>
04:05:42 <twitchyliquid64> noone: whats your host?
04:05:43 <AnonyOps> .jpg;.php
04:05:44 <lady-3jane> lol
04:05:51 <twitchyliquid64> lol
04:05:57 <noone> lady-3jane.users.cryto
04:06:01 <lady-3jane> anontune sexy
04:06:04 <lady-3jane> yes
04:06:05 <noone> i'm connecting from a *
04:06:06 <lady-3jane> am user
04:06:18 <noone> because yolo swag 420 2k13
04:06:27 <lady-3jane> NO NO GO BACK, WE FUCKE DUP
04:06:29 <AnonyOps> also mfw AnonTune has a wikipedia article
04:06:42 <lady-3jane> lelz
04:06:47 <noone> le lols
04:06:51 <noone> LE LE LE LE
04:07:07 <AnonyOps> LE LE
04:07:07 <AnonyOps> LE
04:07:08 <AnonyOps> le
04:07:09 <AnonyOps> l
04:07:10 <AnonyOps> e
04:07:12 <AnonyOps> l
04:07:19 <twitchyliquid64> woah
04:07:23 <lady-3jane> LE LE LEEEEE
04:07:26 <noone>
04:07:30 <noone> LE LE LE LE
04:07:55 <noone>
04:08:04 <noone> LE LE LE LE
04:08:31 <AnonyOps> noone
04:08:32 <AnonyOps>
04:08:41 <AnonyOps> lol'd so hard today on that one
04:08:50 <noone> OH GOD
04:08:50 <noone> YES
04:09:07 <noone> LOL
04:09:11 <AnonyOps> "But what does an oddball such as myself consider manly?"
04:09:16 <AnonyOps> "My little pony"
04:09:19 <noone> LOLING
04:09:22 <AnonyOps> "Magic is friendship
04:09:24 <AnonyOps> LOLWUT
04:09:32 <AnonyOps> lol'd so hard when I saw that today
04:09:50 <AnonyOps> also
04:09:50 <AnonyOps> oops
04:09:56 <AnonyOps> "friendship is magic"
04:09:57 <AnonyOps> meh w\e
04:10:08 <AnonyOps> anyhow, you've all kept me up for too long!
04:10:08 <noone> lol
04:10:10 <AnonyOps> Time to sleep
04:10:10 <noone> I GOTTA SLEEP
04:10:10 <AnonyOps> NOA
04:10:12 <noone> IT IS LIKE
04:10:13 <twitchyliquid64> Sounds likie my little pony
04:10:15 <noone> 5AM
04:10:22 <twitchyliquid64> no dont sleep
04:10:23 <noone> BYE GUYS
04:10:24 <twitchyliquid64> you can do it
04:10:26 <AnonyOps> yeah I got workz in the AM
04:10:27 <AnonyOps> Night all!
04:10:27 <twitchyliquid64> all nighter bro
04:10:29 <noone> \o
04:10:32 <AnonyOps> o/
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04:10:41 <twitchyliquid64> \o
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05:01:19 * lady-3jane wobbles
05:01:37 <Sabit> :o
05:16:46 <lady-3jane> NP: [Juno Reactor - Masters of the Universe] [Shango] [967kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
05:41:35 <lady-3jane> NP: [PSY - 강남스타일] [PSY 6甲 (Six Rules), Pt. 1] [1031kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
05:46:06 <lady-3jane> NP: [Wu-Tang Clan - C.R.E.A.M. (Rollomatik remix)] [Blends & Remixes] [320kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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06:41:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t>
06:42:15 <wh1t3r4bb1t> My PDO class so far ^^ the comment tabbing got fucked by the paste
06:42:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> but it still looks goo
06:46:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> here's the way it looks in my editor
06:49:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Anyways thats the horrible code I write. ;)
06:49:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> WAKE UP!
07:15:43 <lady-3jane> fuck you
07:15:52 <lady-3jane> I have vodka and doesn't afraid of anything
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07:36:47 <lady-3jane> NP: [Audioslave - Show Me How To Live] [Audioslave] [1057kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
08:22:10 <Divinite> FUCK EVERYTHING
08:22:11 <Divinite> WITH
08:22:16 <Divinite> PENUT BUTTERRRRR
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09:54:23 <wh1t3r4bb1t> oraly? I mean orly?
10:04:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ok it's that time again... I'm setting up lighttpd with ssl and php support. I know how to install lighttpd but have so idea how to setup the ssl php support
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11:50:34 <monod> Good morning/afternoon/evening
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12:10:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Sup
12:11:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I got lighttpd working and I got the btcmutual api secured. when you go there and you aren't the right IP you get hosed, eh.
12:39:15 <monod> :D
12:39:34 <monod> what lighttpd and btcmutual are?
12:39:43 <monod> and what are they for?
12:40:00 <monod> (say just "Google" if you don't want to explain)
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14:21:54 <Art> I have 99 joepies but a bitch ain't one. Hit me.
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14:47:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Testing my PDO Class... Fucking shit is eronious bronies
14:48:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> error code 00000 but uhmmmm no insert happened
14:48:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm like wtf mate
14:49:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> How the fuck do you debut that?
14:49:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lol Oh and yes I am echoing my sql statement and it's perfect
14:50:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I just don't get it. maybe time to switch back to mySQL_
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15:39:58 <wh1t3r4bb1t> PDO::errorInfo(): SQLSTATE[00000]: No error uhhhm then insert my fucking data you piece of shit.
15:40:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> PDO fucking blows
15:40:15 <wh1t3r4bb1t> i'm out
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16:51:51 <joepie91> back
16:52:07 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: try figuring out what you did wrong
16:52:10 <joepie91> instead of blaming the tools
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18:13:49 <joepie91> ohai
18:17:10 <lady-3jane> okai
18:19:21 <joepie91> lady-3jane: okai?
18:27:28 <lady-3jane> wrong letter
18:30:02 <joepie91> :P
18:30:12 <joepie91> which? the I or the K?
18:32:20 <lady-3jane> k
18:32:34 <lady-3jane> I want to take a picture of the cup I have
18:33:01 <lady-3jane> but it's extremely hard (I did it on purpose) to get photos from my camera onto an internet connected pc
18:34:22 <lady-3jane> mild excite:
18:35:11 <joepie91> lady-3jane: interesting
18:36:09 <joepie91> In order to promote the service and make it easily accessible to the greatest possible number of users we are charging only .10 BTC per month during the beta. Please note that this is under our expected costs for running the service and we will have to adjust this in the future for the service to be a viable business.
18:36:11 <joepie91> I.. what?
18:36:42 <joepie91> I hope that's just outdated
18:36:49 <lady-3jane> dunno
18:36:51 <joepie91> because $270 for a 600MB VM is outrageous
18:36:59 <lady-3jane> I saw it cause it got linked in #bitcoin
18:37:01 <joepie91> Oh
18:37:02 <joepie91> OH *
18:37:04 <lady-3jane> 0.10
18:37:04 <joepie91> .10 BTC
18:37:05 <lady-3jane> haha
18:37:06 <joepie91> not 10
18:37:06 <joepie91> wtf
18:37:09 <lady-3jane> yeeees
18:37:10 <joepie91> who wrote that text
18:37:13 <joepie91> still
18:37:15 <joepie91> $27 is retarded
18:37:17 <joepie91> :|
18:37:25 <lady-3jane> 2.70
18:37:33 <lady-3jane> per mo
18:37:35 <joepie91> wat
18:37:40 * joepie91 prods his internal calculator
18:37:43 <joepie91> WAKE UP
18:37:59 <joepie91> 2.70 is fine
18:38:41 * lady-3jane grins
18:39:01 <lady-3jane> i'mma try booting into a 3.5.x kernel on my laptop, that way I can have access to the card reader
18:39:22 <lady-3jane> I forgot the drivers for it in my 3.7 kernel
18:39:22 <lady-3jane> :D
18:41:24 <joepie91>
18:41:30 <joepie91> all Steam for Linux games appear to be on sale
18:41:31 <lady-3jane> yes!
18:41:32 <lady-3jane> and it golded!
18:41:34 <joepie91> 50-75% discount
18:41:36 <lady-3jane> yes
18:41:40 <lady-3jane> it golded, they want buy-in
18:41:42 <lady-3jane> :D
18:41:48 <joepie91> lady-3jane: yes
18:41:58 <joepie91> and I can't even begin to express how happy I am about this
18:41:58 <lady-3jane> OH
18:42:05 <lady-3jane> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO LAUNCH
18:42:09 <joepie91> steam?
18:42:09 * lady-3jane fires new steam up
18:42:11 <lady-3jane> yes
18:42:14 <lady-3jane> It updated last night
18:42:19 <lady-3jane> but I didn't have enough ram at the time
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18:53:19 <monod> anyone has instant instructions on how to manually set a ramdisk?
18:53:33 <monod> otherwise I'll search on google
18:54:47 <monod> found that
18:55:07 <monod>    ; <<< if you're intested as well
19:03:24 <monod> too hard
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19:16:35 <lady-3jane> oh fuck yeah
19:16:49 <lady-3jane> and with steam golding, cs and css are in my library
19:16:55 <lady-3jane> I CAN RAGE IN LINUX
19:16:56 <lady-3jane> YEAHHHHH
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19:24:23 <lady-3jane> how do you get grub to show its boot list?
19:24:38 <lady-3jane> everything on the net says to edit menu.lst but I don't have one.
19:27:05 <joepie91> idk
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19:54:26 <lady-3jane> hey joepie91
19:54:50 <lady-3jane> you had some sort of a social network-esque thing... how many pictures did/does it have, what size, and how many users?
20:02:16 <lady-3jane> a friend of mine is talking about needing 1tb of storage to start and I think he's full of shit
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20:09:31 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>you had some sort of a social network-esque thing... how many pictures did/does it have, what size, and how many users?
20:09:35 <joepie91> <lady-3jane>a friend of mine is talking about needing 1tb of storage to start and I think he's full of shit
20:09:37 <joepie91> yes, he's full of shit
20:09:59 <joepie91> 2.5k members, 35k pictureas
20:10:01 <joepie91> pictures *
20:10:22 <joepie91> let me check used space
20:10:28 <lady-3jane> what's the du -sh on that?
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20:11:17 <joepie91> 17GB
20:13:59 <joepie91> @ lady-3jane
20:14:18 <lady-3jane> thanks
20:14:30 <joepie91> lady-3jane: has he already suggested that he needs more than one server?
20:14:37 <joepie91> such as a database server
20:14:41 <joepie91> and a frontend server
20:14:44 <joepie91> etc
20:14:54 <lady-3jane> he's actually trying to convince me to do the same
20:14:57 <lady-3jane> multiple servers
20:14:57 <lady-3jane> lol
20:15:04 <joepie91> even worse than I thought then, lol
20:15:10 <joepie91> I remember talking to some guy
20:15:13 <lady-3jane> make our php shit run on one box, db on another
20:15:18 <lady-3jane> I'm like "no"
20:15:21 <joepie91> that believed thousands of dollars were needed to get anonplus running
20:15:30 <joepie91> because they needed to "build a datacenter"
20:15:33 <joepie91> I was like "what"
20:15:38 <joepie91> I don't think this guy was even like a dev
20:15:47 <joepie91> just random guy hovering around it
20:15:58 <lady-3jane> this guy's a dev, but... he's optimizing things far too early
20:16:01 <joepie91> idk why people have this tendency to over-estimate the resources they need
20:16:06 <joepie91> lol this isn't optimizing
20:16:11 <joepie91> this is overestimating resource allotments
20:16:16 <joepie91> alotments?
20:16:19 <joepie91> idk spelling
20:16:21 <lady-3jane> shit, Id uno
20:16:22 <lady-3jane> lol
20:16:24 <lady-3jane> :D
20:16:31 <lady-3jane> allot
20:16:36 <lady-3jane> so allotments
20:16:38 <lady-3jane> :)
20:16:40 <joepie91> alright
20:16:47 <joepie91> anyway, tell this guy to start off with a 70GB disk first
20:17:03 <joepie91> and one box running everything
20:17:03 <lady-3jane> right now he's got everything on a linode
20:17:05 <joepie91> he can move shit around as it grows
20:17:08 <joepie91> good
20:17:09 <joepie91> keep him there
20:17:14 <lady-3jane> he's not done coding yet, but yeah
20:17:20 <joepie91> not a fan of linode, but if the alternative is buying half a datacenter, then stick with linode
20:17:26 <joepie91> :P
20:17:28 <lady-3jane> he wants to move to... digitalocean? the ssd one that hit the front page of HN recently
20:17:31 <joepie91> nop
20:17:32 <joepie91> don't
20:17:33 <joepie91> no *
20:17:39 <joepie91> tell him not to do that, really
20:17:46 <joepie91> I've been hearing about so many issues with DO
20:17:56 <joepie91> and I quote pretty much literally
20:18:05 <joepie91> "basically the worst performing SSD VPS I've used"
20:18:18 <joepie91> if he wants to get SSD stuff, then have him look at ramnode
20:18:33 <joepie91>
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20:18:43 <lady-3jane> kay, just pasted him that
20:18:44 <lady-3jane> haha
20:18:48 <joepie91> SSD cached will probably be enough
20:18:50 <joepie91> actually it'd be better
20:18:53 <joepie91> full SSD isn't a lot of space
20:18:57 <ANONKAX> hi, all
20:19:04 <joepie91> performance diff between SSD cached and full SSD is negligible for these kind of purposes
20:19:08 <joepie91> so SSD cached is better
20:19:10 <joepie91> hai ANONKAX
20:19:52 <joepie91> lady-3jane: 512MB openvz SSD-cached would be perfect for him I think
20:20:00 <lady-3jane> kk
20:20:03 <joepie91> though, to be sure, what exactly does he want to build, and in what language?
20:20:07 <joepie91> (or languages)
20:20:21 <lady-3jane> it's some sort of crazy social network thing, and it's fully entirely in python
20:20:23 <lady-3jane> and mongodb
20:20:38 <joepie91> okay
20:20:39 <joepie91> in that case
20:20:53 <joepie91> 1. ramnode openvz will work fine, they use vswap, which does NOT suffer from the python RAM issue
20:20:58 <joepie91> so no need for KVM
20:21:15 <joepie91> 2. tell him to install the 64-bits version of $distro
20:21:19 <joepie91> this is very important
20:21:28 <joepie91> because otherwise, mongodb will throw away his data when it goes over like 3.5GB
20:21:34 <joepie91> silently
20:23:44 * joepie91 installs steam on linux
20:24:45 <lady-3jane> pm me your steamname sometime, maybe we can draw penises in tf2 together or something
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20:26:28 <joepie91> lol
20:26:35 * joepie91 doesn't play tf2
20:26:36 <joepie91> anyway
20:26:40 <joepie91> lady-3jane, steam name is... guess what
20:26:52 <joepie91> (at least, I assume that the public name == login name)
20:26:52 <lady-3jane> yeah yeah
20:27:05 * joepie91 doesn't normally use steam
20:27:17 <lady-3jane> public name does not necessarily equal login name
20:27:30 <lady-3jane> lots of people used emails for login, and you can change your chat name to whatever you want
20:27:40 <joepie91> No package rpmbuild available.
20:27:40 <joepie91> Error: Nothing to do
20:27:44 <joepie91> you have got to be fucking kidding me
20:27:46 <lady-3jane> lol'd
20:27:54 <joepie91> really Fedora? really?
20:28:09 <lady-3jane> dunno why you're running the runt of the linux distros
20:28:13 <joepie91> preinstalled
20:28:16 <lady-3jane> ahh
20:28:34 <lady-3jane> I had a friend who loves fedora, but I have a feeling he runs the entire thing out of 3rd party rpm repos
20:29:39 <joepie91> idk how anyone can love Fedora
20:29:43 <joepie91> it's absolutely fucking terrible
20:29:46 <joepie91> oh, by the way
20:29:48 <joepie91> this version went EOL 3 days ago
20:29:57 <joepie91> so apparently I now have to risk upgrading and breaking everything
20:30:08 <joepie91> yay
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20:37:11 <lady-3jane> if they bring ro2 into steam for linux, I'm gonna be really fucking happy
20:37:32 <lady-3jane> both ro1 and ro2 are unreal engine
20:37:35 <lady-3jane> so it shouldn't be hard
20:37:44 <lady-3jane> (ro1 is there already)
20:44:24 <lady-3jane> ugh I just want a static site generator, why does it seem like I'm going to have to write one myself
20:45:10 <lady-3jane> they're all really cool and have shit like html5bp or bootstrap built in... but I don't fucking want that
20:45:14 <lady-3jane> I have a css already
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20:47:11 <joepie91> ro2?
20:47:42 <joepie91> oh, yeah, great
20:47:47 <joepie91> the first dependency errors are appearing
20:47:50 <joepie91> fucking fedora
20:47:50 <joepie91> ffs
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20:49:38 <lady-3jane> haha
20:49:40 <lady-3jane> red orchesta
20:49:50 <lady-3jane> ww2 theme shooter
20:49:56 <lady-3jane> very very very fucking pretty and fun
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20:50:13 <lady-3jane> it has a realistic mode... that's well pretty fucking realistic
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20:50:30 <lady-3jane> everything from shellshock to being slowed down and pulled left by being shot through the left lg
20:50:35 <lady-3jane> s/lg/leg/
20:50:44 <zest> R e A l I s T i C
20:51:00 <joepie91> right
20:51:10 <lady-3jane> not things you're interested in though
20:51:13 <lady-3jane> iirc you don't like shooters
20:52:12 <joepie91> not really, no
20:52:18 <joepie91> I like Metro 2033 for its atmosphere
20:52:29 <joepie91> I like Project Eden for its puzzle approach
20:52:39 <joepie91> and I like UT2004 for the sheer fun of arcade-like gameplay
20:52:42 <joepie91> and that's about it
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20:53:08 * lady-3jane nods
20:53:12 <lady-3jane> I've never played any of those
20:53:13 <lady-3jane> haha
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21:18:53 <joepie91>
21:18:57 <joepie91> photoshop 1.0.1 source code
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21:24:37 <ryan> inb4 exploits for new photoshop
21:29:11 * lady-3jane laughs
21:31:21 <lady-3jane> best comment "I wonder how long before it runs on plan 9..."
21:31:56 <joepie91> ryan: haha, would not at all surprise me
21:32:20 <lady-3jane> now that I'm back home....
21:32:27 * lady-3jane removes the cover from the bottom of laptop
21:32:47 <lady-3jane> there's a lovely solid plastic plate which covers the area where the cpu fan intake SHOULD be
21:32:48 <lady-3jane> e.e
21:33:04 <lady-3jane> fuck yeah asus
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21:36:20 <Divinite> do du do
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21:43:56 <Divinite> NEXUS
21:43:59 <Divinite> NETSPLIT
21:44:02 <Divinite> joepie91
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21:44:27 <Divinite> joepie91
21:44:31 <Divinite> NETSPLIT
21:44:35 <joepie91> once is enough
21:44:37 <Divinite> AFFECTED SERVER: NEXUS
21:44:39 <nada> Can someone help me with some ASM?
21:44:49 * joepie91 doesn't speak ASM
21:44:58 * Divinite doesn't either...
21:45:08 <nada> My UDP client keeps segfaulting :(
21:45:29 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64 might know a bit of ASM?
21:45:32 <Divinite> Run a trace?
21:45:37 <joepie91> let's see who else..
21:45:47 <joepie91> Ari maybe? xnite?
21:45:53 <joepie91> maybe MK_FG
21:45:57 <Ari> erm
21:46:01 <Ari> sorry, I don't know ASM
21:46:02 * joepie91 is making fairly wild guesses now
21:46:06 <nada> strace returns einval
21:46:21 <Ari> I know someone who does though
21:46:22 <Ari> wait damn, he's not online
21:46:34 <nada> Anyone know an IRC i can go to for help?
21:46:38 <nada> inb4 anonops
21:46:41 <Divinite> nada:
21:46:46 <joepie91> nada: freenode, probably
21:46:56 <joepie91> no doubt there's an ##asm channel or something there
21:47:45 <lady-3jane> bought a camera tripod a year or so ago at a flea market, best 15$ I've spent
21:47:45 <nada> thanks joepie91
21:48:03 <joepie91> nada: np
21:48:42 <joepie91> hmm, looks like I'll have to balance monitor on stack of books to fit :/
21:49:44 <Divinite> Additional Required Information
21:49:45 <Divinite> How did you hear about us?
21:49:45 <Divinite> If other, please describe:
21:49:53 <Divinite> My duck told me. BARRELS.
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21:53:54 * joepie91 reorganizes ALL THE THINGS
21:59:58 <Divinite> I KNEW IT
22:00:57 <Divinite> What do you think of our service?
22:01:12 <Divinite> My duck thoughly enjoyed this server//
22:01:19 <Divinite> It was a quack quack
22:01:58 <Divinite> nada: The problem was that I passed a size of 1 byte to the read() function. It seems that this is not supported
22:02:01 <Divinite> (why? what is the minimum size? must it be a multiple of 2/the bitness of the platform?).
22:02:05 <Divinite> Now I am passing 8 and it works. Thank you all for your comments.
22:02:25 <Divinite> There's no such thing as "bitness of the platform". You likely had/have a bug somewhere and it happens to work. You should provide the code to us.
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22:17:03 <zest> why 2, probably you want to say 8 ?
22:17:23 <zest> (padding)
22:18:15 <zest> "The multiple of 8 part comes from the machines CPU word size. On a 64-bit computer this is 8. But on a 32-bit computer, something slowly going away, it is 4 bytes and padding happens on the 4-byte boundary."
22:18:59 <joepie91> so, I just hooked up my old CRT again
22:19:06 <joepie91> I forgot how awesome pictures can look on a CRT
22:19:08 <joepie91> how "alive"
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22:50:08 <xnite> <~joepie91> Ari maybe? xnite? <-- nope!
22:50:24 <xnite> joepie91, CRT... srsly?
22:50:41 <xnite> I just hooked my 2nd monitor up again last night
22:50:45 <joepie91> xnite: if you consider that unacceptable, feel free to buy me a TFT
22:50:48 <joepie91> ;)
22:50:54 <xnite> so I can watch netflix n shit while i'm doing other stuff
22:51:03 <xnite> joepie91, uhhh go ahead n keep ur crt
22:51:05 <xnite> :P
22:51:10 <joepie91> :P
22:51:16 <joepie91> also
22:51:18 <xnite> joepie91, I would love to be rich and just be able to buy stuff for my friends online though
22:51:21 <xnite> that would be fucking awesome
22:51:27 <joepie91> I use a second monitor for productivity-increasing purposes
22:51:30 <xnite> oh u want a tft, sure here ya go buddy! :)
22:51:30 <joepie91> not productivity-decreasing
22:51:33 <joepie91> (read: netflix)
22:51:35 <Ari> haha
22:51:45 <joepie91> xnite: meh
22:52:04 <joepie91> :P
22:52:14 <xnite> joepie91, yea I do the same though. sometimes I'll throw a manual on my 2nd monitor while i dick around with 5 or 6 terminal windows on my primary
22:52:42 <joepie91> I have editor on one
22:52:44 <joepie91> browser on other
22:52:46 <xnite> otherwise it is a hassle trying to switch from manual to different terminals
22:53:00 <joepie91> yeah, that's what I have Guake for lol
22:53:13 <xnite> joepie91, well u know I do it consulting sooo sometimes a client wants a particular piece of software done by the manual
22:53:27 <xnite> thing is that half the time the manual is broken or outdated :P
22:53:33 <xnite> so I need to improvise
22:54:51 <joepie91> anyway
22:54:54 <joepie91> back to work
22:55:35 <MK_FG> nada, "strace returns einval" (I assume some libc socket-related call does that) doesn't look like "asm" problem at all ;)
22:56:21 <MK_FG> nada, More like "man send" ...scroll to the bottom... there they are - all the possible errno's and what they mean
22:57:00 <MK_FG> ("man send" here describes libc function, which mimics kernel syscall)
22:57:29 <MK_FG> (point is, no lower-level concepts involved, really)