Cryto! 13 February 2013

00:12:42 <twitchyliquid64> good evening all
00:13:06 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: did you read about my p2p engine? if fucking EPIC
00:13:07 <twitchyliquid64> *its
00:13:36 <twitchyliquid64> still need moar ideas for something I should build with it though.
00:14:20 <Kamonra> grawr
00:14:28 <twitchyliquid64> rawr!!!
00:15:41 <joepie91> I did not yet, no
00:15:44 <joepie91> hm, Ari isn't here
00:16:07 <twitchyliquid64> well, I ranted about it around 13 hours ago
00:16:13 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: any idea if Ari would mind if I used his button?
00:18:36 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: any ideas for something I should build to test out ma p2p engine?
00:18:48 <wh1t3r4b_> I don't see why not, however I can't speak for others.
00:20:25 * Kamonra bites joepie91
00:23:31 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: no idea, sorta occupied atm tbh
00:23:40 <joepie91> :P
00:25:16 <joepie91> grrr pastehtml is down
00:26:03 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64, Kamonra, wh1t3r4b_,
00:26:06 <joepie91> might need some work still
00:26:08 <joepie91> but as first version
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00:26:46 <joepie91> also monod
00:26:57 <monod> yeah
00:26:59 <monod> tell me
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00:27:13 <joepie91> monod: see above link
00:27:16 <joepie91> was what I was working on
00:27:17 <joepie91> :P
00:27:22 <monod> oh
00:27:28 <monod> did not see it, I'll check it now
00:28:00 <monod> I may have discovered a bug=
00:28:01 <monod> ?
00:28:09 <monod> the drop-list
00:28:14 <monod> with $ and BTC
00:28:29 <joepie91> utf bug
00:28:29 <joepie91> already fixed
00:28:31 <joepie91> :P
00:28:32 <joepie91> refresh
00:28:35 <monod> is made up by "$", "???" and
00:28:36 <monod> ah ok
00:28:37 <monod> :D
00:30:29 <monod> you're becoming the "Ritchie" of the free internet :Dù
00:30:35 <monod> creating stuff here and there
00:30:49 <monod> one day we'll end up having lots of services from you :D
00:30:53 <monod> around the internet
00:34:52 <joepie91> well, that's sort of a goal
00:35:03 * joepie91 won't rest before everyone uses a joepie thing
00:42:00 <monod> lol
00:42:24 <monod> (off) and why is that? :)
00:52:23 <joepie91> monod: you'll want to use [off], not (off)
00:52:24 <joepie91> :)
00:52:34 <joepie91> anyway
00:52:44 <joepie91> because too much sucky software, too much proprietary inaccessible crap, etc
00:52:50 <monod> ohh ok
00:52:58 <monod> (no more off xD)
00:53:13 <monod> so a sort of Fight for the cause
00:53:25 <monod> if it's correct in Eng
00:53:25 <joepie91> yes
00:53:30 <monod> (Y)
00:53:38 <joepie91> seems correct to me
00:53:55 <monod> perrrrfect
00:54:06 <monod> 2:00 AM here, same there?
00:54:17 <monod> =_=
00:54:56 <joepie91> ya
00:59:54 <monod> uuuugh
01:00:25 <monod> btw, dunno if that interests you, but... Got a 28/30 in Data Structures and Algos :)
01:01:21 <monod> I opted for the full 30/30, but I have old courses I had not passed, so I had difficulties preparing Data Struc. & Algos for the better result
01:01:31 <monod> aaaaand, now going.
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01:44:04 <wh1t3r4b_> Does anyone know how to pass an object TO an ajax request "data" property? Not talking about passing it AS an object with the request but just passing the object TO the request's "data" property.... Anyone please?
01:54:49 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: it's not very clear what you want to do
01:54:55 <joepie91> perhaps you should be more verbose
01:55:50 <wh1t3r4b_> I have an object which is all the form fields
01:56:30 <wh1t3r4b_> I want to pass that object to the data: in my ajax request
01:56:57 <wh1t3r4b_> I don't want it to pass the object in the request just to the request function
01:57:35 <wh1t3r4b_> I don't see how I can make that any more clear without facepalming
01:59:45 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: it would probably be better if you wrote your question in pseudocode or some other format to make clear what the desired result is
01:59:54 <Kamonra> bwahaha
02:01:07 <wh1t3r4b_> I have an idea.
02:05:40 <wh1t3r4b_> So I passed the data to an object then into an array of other objects and then I push them. After than I serialize and voila! Cash money!
02:06:54 <wh1t3r4b_> Joepie91 I don't get what you mean by pseudo code... Please explain.
02:07:12 <joepie91>
02:09:28 <wh1t3r4b_> But I'm not french, I don't speak Pseudocode. Do you know someone who can translate my english to pseudocode?
02:12:46 <twitchyliquid64> wh1t3r4b_: so you have a JS object that you want to send over the wire, via AJAX?
02:15:53 <wh1t3r4b_> I'm beginning to think I wall have to, although that was not my original intention.
02:15:59 <wh1t3r4b_> will*
02:16:50 <twitchyliquid64> so you want to: my_ajax_func(my_JS_object)
02:16:54 * joepie91 can't help unless pseudocode
02:17:10 <twitchyliquid64> then in the func: my_JS_object.my_fields ???
02:17:15 <twitchyliquid64> is that what you want wh1t3r4b_ ?
02:19:36 <wh1t3r4b_> I want to data: my_object_properties
02:20:42 <wh1t3r4b_> I do not want to data: my_object
02:21:05 <twitchyliquid64> wh1t3r4b_: so you want to iterate over all the attributes of the object?
02:22:01 <wh1t3r4b_> But I think I will have to serialize the form instead because unless you write the object in the { } literally it doesn't deem to know what to do with it
02:23:45 <joepie91> not quite sure what the problem is
02:23:46 <joepie91> $.post("test.php", $("#testform").serialize());
02:24:33 <twitchyliquid64> wh1t3r4b_: all objects must be serialized for transmission. Thats one of the principles of network programming
02:26:47 <wh1t3r4b_> I know how it should work. I am using POST not GET so I have a feeling that I can't data: object unless i use GET.
02:27:07 <joepie91> ...
02:27:08 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_
02:27:10 <joepie91> $.post("test.php", $("#testform").serialize());
02:27:12 <joepie91> as I already said
02:27:14 <joepie91> what is the problem with that
02:27:27 <wh1t3r4b_> At least that's how the jquery manual reads to my interpretation
02:28:15 <wh1t3r4b_> I tried that joepiqe and it's not successing
02:28:48 <wh1t3r4b_> Because some form fields are optionaal and emplty I'm guessing it fails
02:29:06 <twitchyliquid64> wh1t3r4b_: now is probably the right time to post your code on pastebin or what not. And your HTML.
02:29:08 <wh1t3r4b_> I may need to use get
02:29:31 <wh1t3r4b_> Lol
02:29:52 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: stop finding workarounds for non-existent problems
02:29:53 <joepie91> jsfiddle
02:30:13 <joepie91> when you start saying things like "I may need to use get" it's clear that you don't really know what you're doing
02:30:22 <joepie91> not meant as criticism, but as an indicator to stop
02:30:26 <joepie91> and let someone else look at it
02:31:36 <wh1t3r4b_> Standby while I revert to my original "problem-less code" that I should have never "worked around". Even though it didn't work that way.
02:33:28 <Kamonra> bwahahahaha
02:35:04 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: can you recommend  a piece of HTML/JS that can take JSON and produce a treeview in the browser?
02:36:00 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: jquery ui can probably do it, extjs can probably do it, both are horrible
02:36:09 <joepie91> might want to see if you can find a jquery plugin of some sort
02:36:09 <twitchyliquid64> hence, 'recommend' :P
02:36:19 <joepie91> basically, I am not aware of a good way to do treeviews
02:36:24 <joepie91> with existing stuff
02:36:28 <twitchyliquid64> damn
02:36:33 <joepie91> otherwise, you can always write yourself
02:36:35 <joepie91> it's not terribly hard
02:36:36 <twitchyliquid64> ew
02:36:40 <wh1t3r4b_>
02:37:28 <twitchyliquid64> wh1t3r4b_: I liek your header
02:37:29 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: eh... so why are you doing this via AJAX?
02:37:33 <twitchyliquid64> I wish I had pretty headers
02:38:02 <twitchyliquid64> wh1t3r4b_: you dont have francs as a currency :/
02:38:20 <wh1t3r4b_> lol
02:38:31 <joepie91> twitchyliquid64: joke, right?
02:38:41 <wh1t3r4b_> I'm doing this via ajax OR form submit
02:38:48 <twitchyliquid64> joepie91: no. Many countries apart from france use francs
02:39:18 <wh1t3r4b_> once the ajax works I will noscript
02:39:29 <twitchyliquid64> I love how Go can automatically generate documentation from your source
02:40:13 <wh1t3r4b_> data
02:40:13 <wh1t3r4b_> Type: PlainObject or String
02:40:13 <wh1t3r4b_> Data to be sent to the server. It is converted to a query string, if not already a string. It's appended to the url for GET-requests. See processData option to prevent this automatic processing. Object must be Key/Value pairs. If value is an Array, jQuery serializes multiple values with same key based on the value of the traditional setting (described below).
02:40:29 <wh1t3r4b_> YOu see there where is says GET. But doesn't say POST
02:40:45 <wh1t3r4b_> That's most likely the problem
02:40:51 <wh1t3r4b_> Hence my attempt at a workaround
02:41:56 <wh1t3r4b_> I'm not sure it will convert the object to a string for a POST request. which IMO is fucking retarded
02:44:53 <joepie91> well, wh1t3r4b_
02:44:54 <joepie91>
02:44:57 <joepie91> that seems to work fine
02:45:00 <twitchyliquid64> so just get the object
02:45:00 <joepie91> it shows an alert at least
02:45:04 <twitchyliquid64> and go .serialize()
03:02:54 <wh1t3r4b_> works on jsfiddle, doesn't work on the server
03:03:30 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_, I don't get it
03:03:37 <joepie91> you seem to be having issues with every bit of JS
03:03:41 <joepie91> and no ability to debug it yourself
03:03:50 <joepie91> I mean, how hard is it to throw in a few lines of console.log()s
03:03:51 <wh1t3r4b_> Shh
03:03:53 <joepie91> to see where it breaks
03:03:55 <joepie91> and look at your error log
03:03:56 <joepie91> really
03:03:59 <wh1t3r4b_> I am debugging it right now
03:04:03 <joepie91> if something breaks on your server, then figure out why
03:04:08 <joepie91> k
03:04:12 <joepie91> anyway, I'm going to sleep
03:04:15 <joepie91> night all
03:04:15 <wh1t3r4b_> I was just letting you know that it did't work on the serever
03:04:36 <joepie91> (this is the third time that "it doesn't work on the server" - maybe it's time to figure out why there's a difference, because there shouldn;t be)
03:05:14 <wh1t3r4b_> I know the difference
03:05:14 <wh1t3r4b_> lol
03:05:14 <wh1t3r4b_> Go to bed
03:07:26 <joepie91> then make that difference go away
03:08:46 <Kamonra> nini joepie91
03:09:03 * Kamonra sends joepie91 off with a warm glass of milk and a blanket fresh from the dryer
03:09:17 <joepie91> :D
03:11:20 <wh1t3r4b_> lol oh you mean upload my php files to jsfiddle? yeah, great idea joe
03:11:37 * Kamonra stabs wh1t3r4b_ with a stick
03:11:49 <Kamonra> shoo. Joe is sleeping now.
03:12:33 <wh1t3r4b_> Because that's the only difference
03:13:17 <wh1t3r4b_> But you knew that right? Because you know everything about everything.
03:13:37 * wh1t3r4b_ burps
03:17:37 <wh1t3r4b_> PS you have it sending empty fields now
03:17:50 <wh1t3r4b_> Which is breaking it on my server
03:18:16 <joepie91> then maybe your server code is balls?
03:18:16 <joepie91> :|
03:18:56 <wh1t3r4b_> Yawwwwnn... This is why I had handling built into the JS for that purpose. The part you removed. Yeah.
03:19:22 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: you realize that having this built into JS is a terrible idea?
03:19:30 <joepie91> make your server-side script deal with shit properly
03:19:36 <joepie91> JS shouldn't be doing any critical sanitizing or validation
03:19:53 <joepie91> if your code doesn't work when I removed all that crap, your code was bad to begin with
03:19:55 <wh1t3r4b_> I know I can use the method you used however it's not how it needs to work for the purpose we spoke on last night
03:20:09 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: just. write. proper. fucking. serverside. code.
03:20:13 <joepie91> it's not that hard
03:20:47 <joepie91> I don't get why you're being so complicated with shit
03:20:51 <joepie91> it's a goddamn form
03:20:56 <joepie91> just submit it as a normal request
03:21:01 <joepie91> javascript isn't even needed here
03:21:05 <joepie91> nor does it add any value
03:21:21 <joepie91> you're overcomplicating everything
03:21:21 <wh1t3r4b_> You assume a lot for a person who doesn't see he serverside code
03:21:33 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: I don't need to know anything more than what you've told me
03:21:35 <joepie91> being
03:21:42 <joepie91> "my serverside code breaks when I remove all the JS processing crap"
03:21:51 <joepie91> "my serverside code also accepts normal requests"
03:22:07 <wh1t3r4b_> if ($_POST['setup_details'] && isset($_SERVER['HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH'])) {
03:22:07 <wh1t3r4b_> $post = (object) $_POST;
03:22:07 <wh1t3r4b_> $response = array( 'ok' => false, 'message' => $post );
03:22:08 <joepie91> conclusion: that JS has no business of being there because it also works without and doesn't add any useful things
03:22:09 <wh1t3r4b_> return json_encode($response);
03:22:11 <wh1t3r4b_> //echo json_encode(btcm_setup_user_details($post));
03:22:12 <wh1t3r4b_>      exit; // only print out the json version of the response
03:22:14 <wh1t3r4b_> }
03:22:16 <wh1t3r4b_> thats the serverside code
03:22:20 <wh1t3r4b_> so overcomplicated
03:22:27 <wh1t3r4b_> omgg
03:22:35 <joepie91> why would you even do that
03:22:56 <wh1t3r4b_> Fot testing the response
03:22:56 <wh1t3r4b_> for*
03:23:24 <joepie91> even IF there's a valid purpose for it, return json_encode(array("ok" => false, "message" => $_POST));
03:23:36 <joepie91> wtf is all the object casting there for
03:24:03 <joepie91> and, HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH?
03:24:31 <wh1t3r4b_> Well aparently you should know all that because you know everything
03:24:47 <joepie91> stop acting like a fucking child every time you get told your code sucks
03:24:51 <joepie91> try learning from it for once
03:24:55 <joepie91> WITHOUT throwing a fucking tantrum first
03:25:13 <wh1t3r4b_> 1. My code doesn't suck
03:25:14 <joepie91> I just replaced the majority of your server-side code with one line of code
03:25:16 <joepie91> instead of bitching at me
03:25:22 <joepie91> USE THAT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE
03:25:24 <wh1t3r4b_> 2. You are always pissy.
03:25:29 <joepie91> 1. yes, it does
03:25:40 <joepie91> 2. yes, because you constantly do the same shit and constantly are fucking stubborn
03:25:59 <joepie91> if you would fucking THINK about your code before writing it\
03:26:08 <joepie91> instead of implementing hack after hack
03:26:13 <joepie91> instead of figuring out WHY something doesn't work
03:26:16 <joepie91> like, fucking seriously
03:26:16 <wh1t3r4b_> lol
03:26:26 <wh1t3r4b_> You need a midol
03:26:37 <joepie91> okay, I'm done
03:26:39 <joepie91> from now on
03:26:41 <joepie91> you can fix your own code
03:26:48 <joepie91> I'm not going to make any more attempts at helping you with this
03:26:50 <joepie91> I'm so tired of it
03:27:00 <joepie91> if you're just going to deflect every single bit of criticism into a personal attack
03:27:03 <joepie91> then have fun writing your own code
03:27:06 <wh1t3r4b_> My code is simple and works properly for scalability.
03:27:07 <joepie91> and having it fuck up time after time
03:27:15 <joepie91> because you were too fucking stubborn to listen to someone that is more experienced than you
03:27:22 <joepie91> and can explain exactly why it sucks
03:27:24 <joepie91> and how to fix it
03:27:27 <joepie91> but nooooooooooooooo
03:27:34 <joepie91> but yeah, enjoy fixing your own code
03:27:46 <joepie91> and by all means keep throwing buzzwords to describe your code
03:27:54 <joepie91> that certainly makes it better!
03:28:01 * joepie91 going to sleep
03:28:39 <wh1t3r4b_> PS - Joe never admits to being wrong ever. *Personality trait flaw mega.
03:29:15 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: just a FYI
03:29:21 <joepie91> constant personal attacks will likely result in removal from this channel
03:30:43 <wh1t3r4b_> Ohh because it's cool for you to talk down on me and treat me like shit and tell me my coding sucks, but it's not okay forsomeone else to bring up facts about you because you are the server Op.  Yeah real noble.
03:32:01 <wh1t3r4b_> You're wrong. You hate being wrong and that's the bottom line. Go to bed. Your attitude is undesirable.
03:32:15 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: 1. this has nothing to do with me being a 'server op', this has to do with me starting to be VERY tired of your attitude in this channel
03:32:23 <joepie91> 2. multiple people have pointed out the exact same problems with your attitude
03:32:39 <joepie91> 3. you are on the edge, if I see so much as a *hint* towards continued personal attacks, you're gone
03:32:53 <joepie91> you've reached the end of my patience
03:33:02 <joepie91> if you want to bitch at people and refuse to learn anything, then go do that elsewhere
03:33:32 <joepie91> your inability to deal with criticism is not my problem
03:33:37 <joepie91> nor should it be anyone elses
03:33:49 <joepie91> you have repeatedly verbally attacked several users in this channel that were trying to help you
03:33:51 <wh1t3r4b_> 1. You come at me like you are better, hence I throw attitude back.
03:33:52 <joepie91> and you've used up all your chances
03:34:05 <wh1t3r4b_> 2. This is rediculous.
03:34:23 <joepie91> I don't care whether you think it's ridiculous or not
03:34:23 <joepie91> behave or you're gone
03:34:41 <wh1t3r4b_> I behave.
03:34:44 <joepie91> good.
03:35:10 <wh1t3r4b_> However I will not tolerate snide remarks about my coding ability.
03:35:46 <joepie91> deal with it
03:36:12 <joepie91> if you're refusing to improve your code or code methods, then don't complain when someone points out that your code sucks
03:36:16 <wh1t3r4b_> I see it's a double standard then?
03:36:19 <joepie91> that's entirely your own choice you're making there
03:36:22 <joepie91> no, not at all
03:36:26 <wh1t3r4b_> I need to behave but nobody else does?
03:36:42 <joepie91> the bitching you are receiving has an actual basis that derives from your decisions and the code you write
03:36:49 <Kamonra> joepie91, GO TO BED
03:36:50 <joepie91> the bitching you are handing out is solely 'revenge'
03:36:51 <wh1t3r4b_> So if i'm offended fuck me but if someone else is offended fuck me too?
03:36:53 <joepie91> because people piss you off
03:36:55 <joepie91> by criticizing you
03:36:57 * Kamonra wags finger
03:37:00 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: READ WHAT I SAY BEFORE COMPLAINING
03:37:01 <wh1t3r4b_> Awesome
03:37:12 <wh1t3r4b_> I see how it is now Joe thanks for clairifying
03:37:15 <joepie91> I am perfectly fine with criticism
03:37:22 <joepie91> I am NOT fine with senseless bitching just because you can't handle criticism
03:37:37 <joepie91> and yes, harsh criticism is fine WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY CRITICISM.
03:37:51 <joepie91> clear enough?
03:38:10 <wh1t3r4b_> Fucking crystal.
03:38:18 <joepie91> good.
03:39:14 <wh1t3r4b_> You're always right. I'm always wrong. Period. I need to take it and not dish it. Oh and never accept Joe's help when he is tired.
03:39:25 <wh1t3r4b_> Got it
03:39:30 <wh1t3r4b_> g'night
03:40:13 <joepie91> wh1t3r4b_: edge
03:40:40 <wh1t3r4b_> joepie91: center
03:41:05 <wh1t3r4b_> Wooosaahhh broham
03:41:30 <wh1t3r4b_> Take a deep breath, have some sleepytime tea. And relax.
03:42:48 <wh1t3r4b_> Is ok for us to disagree. maybe will push us both to do better. Mostly me in coding but you have a few things to think about also.
03:42:57 * wh1t3r4b_ puts hand out
03:43:34 * lady-3jane is having a hard time keeping mouth shut
03:43:50 * lady-3jane endeavors to do so
03:43:59 * wh1t3r4b_ wishes people would open mouth more often
03:45:15 <lady-3jane> haha, no you don't
03:45:29 * wh1t3r4b_ assumes that Joe won't shake hands.
03:45:50 * wh1t3r4b_ shrugs and goes back to becoming a superior coder.
03:45:52 <lady-3jane> I assume he went to bed
03:46:08 <lady-3jane> or at least checked out of this chan
03:48:04 <wh1t3r4b_> I like Joe, he just seems to always be like annoyed with helping me. Maybe I am misinterpreting him though like way before we even start arguing.
03:48:33 <wh1t3r4b_> I'm horrible at reading situations.
03:49:33 <wh1t3r4b_> Anyways. I hope he has nice dreams. I had a wicked awesome dream last night. I was pissed off that I woke up actually lmao.
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03:54:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Toadies!
03:57:45 <lady-3jane> NP: [Toadies - I Come from the Water] [Rubberneck] [947kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
03:57:48 <lady-3jane> toadies!
03:59:49 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lol rubberneck was the album i was listeneing to also. did they even make any other albums? hehe
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04:05:15 <lady-3jane> yeah, like 6
04:05:33 <lady-3jane> released one last year, even
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04:06:42 <flyingpenis> fuckin govbots
04:11:35 <twitchyliquid64> LOL
04:12:01 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Blur!
04:14:42 <flyingpenis> either of you two have a working tor bitcoin internal service?
04:15:44 <twitchyliquid64> nup sorry
04:15:49 <twitchyliquid64> ive never needed bitcoin
04:16:47 <wh1t3r4bb1t> weezer!
04:17:49 <flyingpenis> oh, my setup finally works
04:18:42 <lady-3jane> NP: [Filter - Hey Man, Nice Shot] [Short Bus] [849kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
04:22:14 <flyingpenis> badass
04:22:22 <flyingpenis> bitcoin over tor ftw
04:22:47 <twitchyliquid64> bitcoin network is not suited for high throughput data routing
04:23:09 <flyingpenis> no shit
04:23:26 <flyingpenis> I wouldn't call a block every 10 minutes particularly high throughput
04:25:15 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Pearl Jam - Black
04:25:45 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lol bocks are huge
04:26:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> well "block chains"
04:26:56 <flyingpenis> yes, if I were downloading the whole fucking thing
04:27:06 <flyingpenis> fortunately I have multiple computers running 080rc1
04:27:27 <flyingpenis> and so I can just wget the blockchain from my own computer
04:28:30 <flyingpenis> waiting on the last few blocks is no biggie for me or the network
04:29:35 <lady-3jane> NP: [Brenda Boykin - Hard Swing Travellin' Man] [CD 1 - Tempo, Tempo, Tempo] [924kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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04:52:56 <lady-3jane> this is now the topic:
05:28:12 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Pahahahaha
05:33:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Push
05:33:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> by Matchbox Twenty
05:46:46 <twitchyliquid64> ew
05:51:54 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Bitter Sweet Symphony
05:51:54 <wh1t3r4bb1t> by The Verve
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07:04:31 <Sabit> is joepie there?
07:04:56 <lady-3jane> Sabit:) he's asleep
07:05:10 <Sabit> dang
07:08:06 <Sabit> alright i shall crash then
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07:34:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Optionals account details setup and update are working... now I move on to financial info and PDO.
07:34:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> secured API
07:34:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> The fun stuff
07:34:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> SSL
07:34:58 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Yeah I'm ready to do the complex shit.
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08:19:14 <wh1t3r4bb1t> jiggle boots squared
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08:47:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> .serialize is not getting my select field. the select has a name. this is weird. researching...
08:52:36 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lol it's not working for options with value and it's not working for options without vale.
08:52:53 <wh1t3r4bb1t> lmfao wtf... this is extremely odd.
08:53:07 <wh1t3r4bb1t> more research
09:01:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> okay so apparently you can't apply the :input[value] parameter to the serialization or it won't pick up select fields. hmmm
09:01:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> more research
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11:14:49 <twitchyliquid64> omg
11:14:56 <twitchyliquid64> valentines day in 2 days
11:15:01 <twitchyliquid64> FOREVER ALONE!!!
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13:23:00 * joepie91 yawns
13:23:02 <joepie91> morning
13:23:11 <Matrix> arguing with #python
13:23:12 <Matrix> fun....
13:23:29 <joepie91> <wh1t3r4bb1t>okay so apparently you can't apply the :input[value] parameter to the serialization or it won't pick up select fields. hmmm
13:23:33 <joepie91> that seems... logical?
13:23:39 <joepie91> seeing as a <select> is not an <input>
13:23:48 <joepie91> Matrix: I feel for you
13:23:53 <joepie91> is the topic twisted?
13:24:04 <Matrix> guy called jim
13:24:18 <Matrix> apparently he have been "wasting peoples time" by trying to help
13:24:20 <Matrix> and got banned
13:24:30 <Matrix> so i questioned Ygh1s' behavior
13:24:38 <Matrix> and i think it could be handeled in a number of ways
13:27:09 <Matrix> merp
13:27:11 <Matrix> atleast i wasnt banned
13:27:12 <joepie91> Matrix: and you're not b& yet?
13:27:17 <joepie91> lol, simulthoughts
13:27:29 <Matrix> not but really
13:27:35 <Matrix> if they banned me for raising the concern
13:27:40 <Matrix> it would just turn out even worse
13:27:51 <Matrix> one guy even tried to call me a troll :P
13:27:55 <joepie91> that never held back the ops that banned me...
13:27:56 <joepie91> anyway
13:27:58 <joepie91>
13:28:00 <joepie91> PortKnox' free owncloud service is shutting down
13:28:02 <Matrix> i like #clojure soooooo much better then #python
13:28:21 <joepie91> pretty much every channel is better than #python
13:28:27 <joepie91> so that's not hard
13:28:50 <joepie91> #python is probably like the least helpful and most ignorant channel on freenode...
13:29:01 <Matrix> also one of the biggest ._.
13:29:08 <joepie91> (this is a Problem)
13:29:17 <Matrix> i know
13:29:21 <Matrix> but they defend it with
13:29:40 <Matrix> "We still have people here which helps people. So its just a imagenary problem! not a real one"
13:30:01 <Matrix> and that like....turns a blind eye too how the community could have been
13:30:16 <joepie91> haha, yes
13:30:21 <joepie91> and sadly
13:30:25 <Matrix> :/
13:30:33 <joepie91> that response fits EXACTLY in the ignorance going on there
13:30:34 <joepie91> try saying the docs are bad because X and Y
13:30:36 <Matrix> so hard believing Ygh1s is a core dev
13:30:55 <Matrix> joepie91: you and your docs :P
13:30:56 <joepie91> instead of them showing interest in how to fix it
13:31:05 <joepie91> you will have half the channel on your throat
13:31:13 <joepie91> arguing on how the docs are "fine and I never have problems with it"
13:31:23 <joepie91> despite just having pointed out concrete issues and that many people complain about it in silence
13:31:34 <Matrix> I was chatting with another python dude her at beer and programming
13:31:38 <joepie91> but noooo, instead of being constructive... ATTACK THE GUY THAT CRITICIZED
13:31:39 <Matrix> he just said
13:33:12 <Matrix> "Yes, python probably lacks examples. But hey, PHP got loads of bad documentation also."
13:33:12 <Matrix> joepie91: it is a problem indeed
13:34:11 <joepie91> Matrix: yeah, that sounds like the usual kind of #python response
13:34:17 <joepie91> "YEAH BUT THEY DO IT TOO <deflect>"
13:35:33 <Matrix> haha
13:35:52 <Matrix> But going all mad at Python, saying how awsome PHP docs are
13:36:01 <Matrix> will just give you that response :P
13:36:04 <Matrix> and tbh
13:36:10 <Matrix> all docs have bad documentation some where
13:36:33 <Matrix> Clojure f.eks. Their docs page is 1 version behind.
13:36:43 <Matrix> and tons of functions miss docs
13:36:47 <Matrix> not to mention examples
13:39:22 <joepie91> sure, every language *does* have problems
13:39:25 <joepie91> I won't deny that
13:39:35 <joepie91> let's not forget that programmers are historically terribly bad documenters
13:39:49 <joepie91> some languages *are* a lot worse though
13:40:23 <joepie91> I mean, sure, PHP docs have inconsistencies etc like the rest of the language - but I've barely ever seen a doc page where there *wasn't* an example making it crystal clear what to do... *in context*
13:42:08 <Matrix> ^^
13:42:18 <Matrix> now we started again python-offtopic
13:45:57 <joepie91> hmm? :P
13:46:07 <joepie91> oh, also, Matrix, you are aware that this channel is publicly logged now, yes?
13:46:21 <joepie91> can't recall if I told you
13:46:25 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
13:46:25 <loggy>
13:47:48 <Matrix> joepie91: well
13:47:49 <Matrix> i know now
13:48:10 <joepie91> right, I mass-highlighted people etc but idk if you were here then
13:48:11 <joepie91> anyway
13:48:15 <joepie91> if you want a message to not appear in logs
13:48:19 <joepie91> prefix it with [off]
13:48:32 <joepie91> and it'll be ignored by loggy
13:48:40 <joepie91> I *can* theoretically redact logs if necessary but I'd rather not
13:55:56 <Matrix> lol
13:56:03 <Matrix> cba to off it all
13:56:14 <Matrix> Not but i have experienced some unstable shit with my edis vps atm
13:56:21 <Matrix> it just shuts down and i gotta restart it too work
13:59:07 <joepie91> weird
13:59:10 <joepie91> I've noticed some network derps, but other than that...
13:59:20 <joepie91> no issues with the VPS itself
13:59:21 <joepie91> at all
13:59:28 <joepie91> sent a ticket?
14:01:27 <Matrix> joepie91: havent had time
14:01:54 <joepie91> yet you have time to talk on here
14:01:57 <joepie91> and describe the issue
14:01:57 <joepie91> :P
14:02:08 <joepie91> I could pipe #crytocc to their support ticket system?
14:02:08 <joepie91> :P
14:03:14 <Matrix> hahahaha
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14:36:41 <monod> Hello.
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15:22:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Not only does it work as desired but it logs events and errors to files in less than 90 lines of code.
15:25:07 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ETC for Phase 1 is May 1st.
15:26:03 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I am tired beyond belief.
15:27:54 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 14 hours of straight coding and debugging with a little bit of CSS restructuring in between and adding additional widget functionality.
15:28:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm fixing that wacky footer and then i'm going to hibernate for at least 8 hours.
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15:36:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Footer wackeyness fixed
15:36:40 <wh1t3r4bb1t> critique it if you will
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20:22:01 <joepie91> ohai
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22:30:22 <monod> aloa
22:42:42 <joepie91> hai
22:42:47 <joepie91> hey Ari
22:42:49 <joepie91> you have a sec
22:42:49 <joepie91> ?
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22:48:02 <Ari> Yeah
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22:56:59 <joepie91> alright
22:57:09 <joepie91> Ari: can I your shiny green button
22:57:17 <Ari> Uh
22:57:17 <joepie91> for design
22:57:19 <Ari> Can you USE it? :P
22:57:24 <Ari> dude sure
22:57:32 <joepie91> can I use, yes
22:57:34 <joepie91> typo lol
22:57:50 <joepie91> second question: ok if it's included in the code repo eventually, and falling under the same WTFPL license?
22:57:51 <Ari> 99% of stuff i post in this chan is free for anyone to use
22:57:53 <joepie91> or needs separate license?
22:57:55 <Ari> dude
22:58:01 <Ari> you can say you wrote it for all I care
22:58:06 <joepie91> I'd rather ask :P
22:58:06 <joepie91> alright
22:58:09 <joepie91> thanks lol
22:58:16 <Ari> haha
22:58:17 <Ari> okay
23:07:19 * joepie91 wonders
23:07:20 <joepie91> .license
23:07:30 * joepie91 frowns
23:07:32 <joepie91> where's botpie?
23:07:45 <joepie91> oh, Ari, you'll find this interesting probably
23:07:51 botpie91 ( has joined #crytocc
23:07:53 <joepie91> why, there it is
23:07:58 <joepie91> .license WTFPL
23:08:00 <botpie91> Do WTF You Want To Public License v2 (WTFPL-2.0): The WTFPL is almost a public domain grant.  It is super-permissive.  Basically, do whatever you want.
23:08:02 <Ari> mm?
23:08:05 <Ari> oooooooh
23:08:06 <Ari> fancy
23:08:10 <Ari> what's it written in?
23:08:11 <joepie91> .license GPL
23:08:12 <joepie91> that one breaks
23:08:15 <botpie91> GNU General Public License v2 (GPL-2): You may copy, distribute and modify the software as long as you track changes/dates of in source files and keep all modifications under GPL. You can distribute your application using a GPL library commercially, but you must also provide the source code.
23:08:15 <joepie91> python
23:08:17 <joepie91> it's a phenny bot
23:08:24 <joepie91> oh, doesn't break anymore apparently
23:08:27 <joepie91> anyway, I just wrote a phenny module
23:08:30 <joepie91> that searches on tl;dr legal
23:08:36 <joepie91> and extracts info :)
23:08:39 <Ari> awesome! :3
23:08:41 <joepie91> .license sleepycat
23:08:42 <botpie91> Sleepycat License (Sleepycat): This open source license used for the Berkeley DB databases is rather strict because it requires you to provide a way to obtain accompanying software to the DB software as well as the original source code for the DB software.
23:08:50 <joepie91> it knows most
23:08:57 <joepie91> it barfs on CC licenses though
23:09:01 <joepie91> .license CC ND
23:09:04 <botpie91> Creative Commons Attribution NoDerivs (CC-ND): The no derivatives creative commons license is straightforward; you can take a work released under this license and re-distribute it but you can’t change it. You must give credit to the original author of the work, state their name and the title of the original work, and include the attribution logo, found on their website  <a href="">here</a>. Doesn’t a
23:09:12 <Ari> awwww
23:09:12 <joepie91> .license CC no derivatives
23:09:15 <botpie91> Sorry, could not find any licenses for that search term.
23:09:17 <joepie91> ^
23:09:28 <joepie91> .license Creative Commons SA
23:09:29 <botpie91> Sorry, could not find any licenses for that search term.
23:09:31 <Ari> .license CC no derivitives
23:09:33 <botpie91> Sorry, could not find any licenses for that search term.
23:09:34 <Ari> aw
23:09:35 <joepie91> see
23:09:36 <joepie91> :P
23:09:40 <joepie91> their search needs some work, haha
23:09:42 <Ari> oh man, i'm converting old code with var_name to new code with varName
23:09:48 <joepie91> that sounds automatable
23:09:58 <Ari> eh
23:10:01 <Ari> not worth the trouble
23:10:03 <Ari> it's not much code
23:10:25 <joepie91> s/_([a-z])/upper($1)/
23:10:27 <joepie91> pretty much
23:10:34 <joepie91> (pseudoregex)
23:10:42 <Ari> yeah but
23:10:44 <Ari> it's only like 200 LOC
23:10:50 <Ari> and there's a hell of a lot of exceptions
23:10:55 <joepie91> lol
23:11:00 <joepie91> fair enough
23:13:20 <Ari> woah
23:13:25 <Ari> my keyboard died for a sec there
23:13:25 <Ari> weird
23:13:55 <joepie91> 2013, basic microswitch-like technology still unreliable
23:14:05 <joepie91> very technologically advanced we are
23:14:05 <joepie91> :p
23:14:47 * lady-3jane chuckles
23:15:43 <lady-3jane> I... there's a lady.
23:15:48 <lady-3jane> and she likes me :>
23:16:27 <lady-3jane> her pacing is funny though
23:17:19 * lady-3jane grumbles
23:17:23 <Ari> lady-3jane, I presume this is funny to you because she's a lady as well?
23:17:28 <Ari> I can never be sure with usernames >_.
23:17:31 <Ari> >_>, even
23:17:42 <Ari> Hey joepie91, implement sed support in botpie91 :P
23:18:16 <lady-3jane> I can be a lady sometimes
23:18:21 <lady-3jane> But no, I'm male
23:18:46 <lady-3jane> I'm not overly tied to my gender and have quite a bit of fun being female online :P
23:19:06 <Ari> Oh, gotcha.
23:19:15 <Ari> that was my suspicion
23:19:31 * lady-3jane smiles
23:19:55 <lady-3jane> There was an irc net back in the day who, for a solid 6 months, wasn't sure what gender I was.
23:21:43 <lady-3jane> AGH WHY IS MY PHONE LAGGING
23:21:49 <lady-3jane> MUST BE GOVERNMENT INTERCEPT
23:22:05 * lady-3jane dies of laughter
23:22:59 <lady-3jane> NP: [Ugly Duckling - Dumb it Down] [Taste the Secret] [910kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
23:23:37 <lady-3jane> nah fuck that
23:23:37 <lady-3jane> NP: [Dual Core - All The Things] [All The Things] [891kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
23:23:44 <lady-3jane> also, I love dualcore
23:24:50 <lady-3jane> aaahahahaha
23:24:55 <lady-3jane> "call me later :) "
23:25:00 <lady-3jane> :3:3;3;3