Cryto! 10 February 2013

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02:20:28 <ben> gnight guys
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02:22:13 <ben> lol 93 nao also?
02:24:49 <ben> anyone openminded to tell me how to parse the value of "submit" to the site?
02:28:19 <ben> its form depends on this   <span class="button-wrapper orange"><input type="submit" name="j_idt54:register:j_idt93" value="Weiter" class="action common" />
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02:36:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> The CSS has defeated me again
02:37:00 <ben> hi wh1t3r4bb1t
02:37:19 <wh1t3r4bb1t> hi ben
02:38:22 <ben> u should search about 256 ccs rules, pretty neat, then u rumble the css instead it rumbles on you
02:38:30 <ben> *classes
02:40:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I can't get the bottom widgets to space apart with margins. Might be needing a clear-both class there.
02:40:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> food time
02:41:42 <ben> so they need to be next to each other like [a][b] ??
02:43:00 <wh1t3r4bb1t> nope they are in the right layout
02:43:10 <wh1t3r4bb1t> just needs margin on the bottom
02:44:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> .fpb-widget-c {
02:44:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> margin-bottom: 25px;
02:44:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> }
02:45:25 <wh1t3r4bb1t> it's applied but not effecting the div apparently.
02:46:15 <ben> eat a position:relative;
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02:50:53 <flyingpenis> hey fuck you all, I just rewrote my harddrive by hand
02:51:08 <flyingpenis> bout to be running only linux, baby
02:51:28 <wh1t3r4b_> oh gawd here we go
02:51:50 <wh1t3r4b_> tried position : relative
02:52:05 <flyingpenis> don't use position: relative or position: absolute, they don't mean what you think they do
02:52:12 <flyingpenis> go read the spec
02:52:15 <flyingpenis> they're... retarded.
02:52:26 <wh1t3r4b_> is applied now still no margin effecting the vertical spacing
02:52:50 <ben> yay penises =) do !important to overwrite
02:52:59 <ben> in firebug it applies
02:53:10 * wh1t3r4b_ touches the flyingpenis
02:54:38 <flyingpenis> booze and electro swing: best combination for playing musical chairs with harddrive partitions
02:54:52 <wh1t3r4b_> also applied !important
02:55:11 <wh1t3r4b_> still no spacing
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02:57:20 <ben> k undo it
02:57:36 <flyingpenis> I'm looking at the page and I see no margin
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02:57:53 * flyingpenis wonders if the code is in the wrong place
02:58:03 <ben> he changes recently so...
02:58:22 * wh1t3r4b_ knows the margin is there because I can see the css in firebug
02:58:35 <flyingpenis> where
02:58:40 <flyingpenis> gimme file and line number
02:59:01 <flyingpenis> if the css is in firebug, it ain't gonna be on the server
02:59:17 <flyingpenis> if that's where you've edited it
02:59:18 <flyingpenis> lol
02:59:22 <ben> .fpb-widget-c {
02:59:22 <ben> position: relative;
02:59:22 <ben> margin-bottom: 100px;
02:59:22 <ben> }
02:59:28 <flyingpenis> now there's margin
02:59:31 <flyingpenis> just now
02:59:38 <flyingpenis> there was no margin line when I asked
03:00:30 <wh1t3r4b_> yes there was because I haven't changed the margin line in hour
03:00:41 <wh1t3r4b_> but anyways
03:00:42 <ben> ;)
03:00:56 <wh1t3r4b_> clearing float again didn't work
03:01:03 <wh1t3r4b_> hmmm
03:01:13 <wh1t3r4b_> this is why I hate CSS
03:01:40 <flyingpenis> do you actually have any text in the box?
03:01:45 <flyingpenis> cause if you don't, there's nothing to margin
03:01:50 <wh1t3r4b_> Its like a woman. never know what it wants. must spend eternity to figure it out
03:01:51 <flyingpenis> (with a div)
03:02:15 <wh1t3r4b_> there is elements in the div
03:03:18 <wh1t3r4b_> if you select it you can see it
03:04:03 <wh1t3r4b_> just white text and also that h2 background should be colored like the others and it's alreadt applied to that class too.
03:04:20 <wh1t3r4b_> fuck css and it's lazy work ethic
03:04:22 <wh1t3r4b_> :P
03:04:27 <wh1t3r4b_> moar soup brb
03:04:31 <flyingpenis> why is widget c shown at the top and the daughter element is the third box
03:05:14 * flyingpenis fights linux
03:05:25 <ben> flyingpenis, u can always recover a formatted hdd by hand
03:05:28 <ben> again anyone openminded to tell me how to parse the value of "submit" to the site?
03:06:37 <ben> normally an type="submit with a name="xyz" and a value="whatever"
03:06:52 <ben> it doeesnt apply :(
03:07:09 <ben> maybe im drunk
03:07:14 <flyingpenis> recover by hand? why would I recover
03:07:21 <flyingpenis> implying I won't do it perfectly
03:07:40 <ben> what unix are u using atm
03:07:56 <ben> *os
03:07:57 <flyingpenis> ubuntu is what I'm fighting
03:08:17 <flyingpenis> mostly trying to make grub do my bidding
03:08:31 <ben> with password?
03:08:38 <ben> or driving your efi stuff
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03:09:02 <wh1t3r4b_> If you mean get the value of the submit just call reference it like any other form field i.e. $_POST['submit']
03:09:13 <wh1t3r4b_> or $_GET
03:09:15 <flyingpenis> password?
03:09:23 <wh1t3r4b_> however you are sending the form
03:09:24 <flyingpenis> so, neither?/
03:09:35 <ben> to secure your first 512kb of your hdd
03:09:43 <ben> ok
03:10:08 <flyingpenis> pff I have 100mb, I'm still using the windows boot partition
03:10:52 <wh1t3r4b_> the password to my terminal at work is "ifuckedyourmomandyoursisteratthesametim3"
03:11:08 <wh1t3r4b_> the 3 at the end makes it l337
03:11:23 <ben> sur3
03:11:45 <wh1t3r4b_> :P
03:12:13 <ben> cool cryto has a log up there. so i can follow the last dayz
03:13:27 <wh1t3r4b_> but it only records the stuff that is typed without the [off] prefix
03:14:01 <ben> wh1t3r4b_, u mean i should write that into a seperated php to curl the opts and it will get parsed
03:15:41 <wh1t3r4b_> ben you're confusing me... are you trying to get the form field value for submit button or are you not able to get the from to submit when you click the submit button?
03:16:19 <ben> im trying to submit in the url
03:17:01 <wh1t3r4b_> What?
03:17:11 <ben> i dont wanna violate the topic, so its just for personal education & information
03:17:56 <ben> im trying to apply it directly in the url field
03:18:20 <flyingpenis> what in the actual fuck are you trying to do because none of the words you're using go with the other words you're using
03:18:50 <wh1t3r4b_> like...
03:18:51 <wh1t3r4b_> ?
03:19:29 <ben> sorry for the confusing words, they have obvoisly the same meaning mostly , i try to learn ok
03:19:53 <ben> so try to submit, it doesnt give u an error message
03:22:29 <wh1t3r4b_> I'm rolfing right now. sorry
03:26:06 <wh1t3r4b_> Ohh so you're trying to hack Ahh well hmmm. HiveResearch can help you with that.
03:26:18 <HiveResearch> lol wut
03:27:22 <ben> nope
03:27:35 <wh1t3r4b_> Just wait for it...
03:27:38 <wh1t3r4b_> wait for it...
03:27:54 <wh1t3r4b_> BAM!
03:28:11 <wh1t3r4b_> brb
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03:30:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> If i'm not black in five minutes don't worry, I'll be all white.
03:36:24 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Still no fucking margin god dumbit
03:37:01 <twitchyliquid64> lol
03:38:42 <wh1t3r4bb1t> OMFMMOGFDSOB
03:39:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> even using inline style no work
03:39:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I kill you CSS
03:39:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I KIIIILLLLL YOUUUUUUUU!
03:40:09 <ben> css loves you, it colores your blackheaded hair
03:51:53 <ben> im off - gbais@all
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04:06:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> fuck stray ']'s
04:06:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> actually stray }s
04:07:18 <wh1t3r4bb1t> they be fuxin up duh codez mang
04:08:40 <wh1t3r4bb1t> but the margin still not working
04:49:12 <flyingpenis> alright. killed my OS and resurrected it
04:49:22 <flyingpenis> now I'm removing the fucking encryption on my homedir
04:49:27 <flyingpenis> fuck that shit E.E
04:51:01 <flyingpenis> when you do encrypted homedir, the apps that do that process impose 256 char filename limits (ooooh just like windows! fancy! and just the reason I left!)
04:51:26 <flyingpenis> so imma rm that shit so I can get the full ext4 experience
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06:27:28 <lady-3jane> alright
06:27:30 <lady-3jane> we're gold
06:27:45 <lady-3jane> linux works again, no windows on my drive, and encrypted fs has been blown away
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07:05:46 <MK_FG> flyingpenis, Maybe use dm-crypt instead of ecryptfs?
07:06:15 <MK_FG> Plus, I bet there are alternatives to ecryptfs w/o name obfuscation part that results in that liit
07:06:19 <MK_FG> *limit
07:09:05 <lady-3jane> well yeah, if you crypt the whole drive there isn't that issue, but I don't give a fuck about it
07:09:16 <lady-3jane> I'm only interested in local encryption if it's convenient
07:10:16 <MK_FG> lvm + dm-crypt?
07:10:32 <lady-3jane> Pretty sure I can't drop that over my currently running OS
07:10:37 <MK_FG> I don't like having whole drive crypted either
07:11:39 <lady-3jane> urg
07:11:51 <lady-3jane> late on a saturday, ISP is shit :(
07:12:10 <MK_FG> "can't" here is probably "don't want to", because it's fairly easy to fo with any distro and won't harm other os'es on your hdd
07:12:28 <MK_FG> And there's also loopback for an easy way out
07:12:48 <MK_FG> (I mean, loopback devices)
07:13:48 <lady-3jane> It's easy to lvm+dm_crypt the currently running OS?
07:14:01 <lady-3jane> really now, tell me how that works
07:16:21 <MK_FG> Enable lvm in your distro's initrd (probably there by default, just needs some flag), boot sysresccd, shrink current fs, create lvm+dm-crypt on the rest of the space, move stuff there, remove old fs and span lvm there, boot
07:17:05 <lady-3jane> I just did that to remove windows from my drive
07:17:12 <MK_FG> EncFS seem to be eCryptFS alternative w/o filename obfuscation
07:17:14 <lady-3jane> except I didn't use lvm
07:17:20 <MK_FG>
07:36:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I just learned that FF is fucking retarded when it comes to displaying buttons
07:36:36 <wh1t3r4bb1t> no line-height control
07:36:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> what kind of doucebag coded that int o the browser
07:37:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ALL other browsers are legit wiith line height on buttons
07:38:10 <wh1t3r4bb1t> But Faggot Fox had to go and fuck it up for everyone
07:39:01 <flyingpenis> I see you're finally experiencing web design's true power
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07:50:46 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Well, I'm considering just eliminating buttons altogether and using spans or divs but then I have ti use jquery to submit all my forms. I think that's probably where it's gonna end up though.
07:51:01 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Buttons are so 1999
07:51:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Im on that 3000 shit now bwahahahahah mwahahahaha haaaa haa ha hehe ahhh fuckit
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07:58:52 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Panclocks
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08:00:34 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Do your worst...
08:04:44 <flyingpenis> mmm, linux with disk space is so much less rickety
08:05:39 <wh1t3r4bb1t> stop lying
08:10:12 <anonnews265> who is princess??
08:12:35 <anonnews265> just sayin
08:12:54 <anonnews265> if she is important..ill shut up
08:13:01 <anonnews265> or he
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15:32:08 <`> YAN makes me cut myself
15:32:13 *** ` is now known as ryan
15:32:20 <ryan> I reckon everybody responsible should be deaded
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15:52:19 <joepie91> what'd they do this time :/
15:52:51 <ryan> same thing they do all the time
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16:21:14 <joepie91> hypervm really has no reason to exist..
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16:27:32 <evilworks> alright i'm intrigued
16:27:37 <joepie91> ?
16:27:38 <evilworks> who's running @youranonnews
16:27:49 <joepie91> several people are
16:27:56 <evilworks>
16:27:58 <evilworks> look at this shit
16:28:05 <evilworks> he has almost a million followers
16:28:12 <evilworks> acts as an official anon tw acc
16:28:24 <evilworks> and tweets fake inflamatory bullshit such as this
16:28:32 <joepie91> that looks very fake
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16:30:46 <evilworks> that looks wrong
16:30:48 <evilworks> in multiple ways
16:31:11 <evilworks> i unfollowed that acc a while ago for stupid bullshit
16:31:18 <evilworks> didnt know itll reach the point of retarded
16:32:48 <joepie91> ("but we're just reporting news!")
16:35:37 <lady-3jane> I unfollowed YAN literally years ago because of their stupid antigovernment fearmongering
16:35:44 <lady-3jane> they were no better than those they purport to fight
16:36:17 <lady-3jane> the signal to noise ratio on that account is deplorable
16:37:41 <lady-3jane> It's fascinating... one of the few reporters who does good work on Anon will not use them as a source, and when they do there's a fucking paragraph of "unsourced, we don't know who it is, and they don't represent any particular groups etc etc etc"
16:39:21 <AnonForecast> o.o
16:39:51 <AnonForecast> guys, please read to see how TheAnonMessage was compromized
16:40:16 <AnonForecast> ALL large anon accts get targeted. it would be illogical to assume these complaints are coincedence
16:40:46 <joepie91> sigh
16:40:50 <joepie91> conspiracy elsewhere please
16:40:59 <AnonForecast> youre kidding joe?
16:41:03 <joepie91> no, I'm not
16:41:07 <joepie91> this is extremely likely to derail this channel
16:41:10 <joepie91> entirely
16:41:31 <lady-3jane> I... wow, I yelled at him for doing that earlier, so he called me a fed
16:41:36 <lady-3jane> lmfao
16:41:36 <joepie91> I'm willing to be okay with Anonymous-related discussion, up to a point
16:41:47 <joepie91> conspiracy theories are beyond that point
16:41:53 <joepie91> no matter how legitimate you may believe they are
16:42:06 <joepie91> for the simple reason that that doesn't belong here and derails the channel for other users
16:42:16 <AnonForecast> ok fine but there is a difference between a moonshot conspiracy and common sense corollation between power and failure
16:42:28 <joepie91> AnonForecast: and every single conspiracy theorist says it's the latter
16:42:36 <joepie91> which is EXACTLY why I want to keep this out of here
16:42:45 <AnonForecast> k
16:44:02 <lady-3jane> :O
16:44:07 <lady-3jane> IT'S MORNING AGAIN
16:44:14 <AnonForecast> you didnt sleep?
16:44:14 <lady-3jane> COFFEE WITH BACON AND EGGS TIME
16:44:17 <joepie91> lady-3jane: lol
16:44:20 <joepie91> that sounds so good
16:44:21 <joepie91> :9
16:44:23 <joepie91> :( *
16:44:32 <lady-3jane> It's my standard breakfast
16:44:37 <joepie91> btw lady-3jane, pm
16:44:39 <lady-3jane> sure
16:46:13 <AnonForecast> and lady-3jane, i was trolling you just to get under your skin because i didnt know or like you yet :) dont expect much more social engineering
16:46:50 <lady-3jane> lmao alright
16:47:10 <MK_FG> He's still a fed though
16:48:23 * lady-3jane laughs
16:48:24 <AnonForecast> nah
16:48:36 <lady-3jane> LOL FEDZ
16:48:43 <AnonForecast> well if he his, hes a very unproductive fed ;p
16:48:45 <MK_FG> Trust me, I'm a fed, I know
16:48:47 <lady-3jane> In yer base, stealin yer ops
16:48:47 <AnonForecast> counter-productive*
16:49:20 <AnonForecast> thats how you test feds. put them to work, make them productive. if theyre really fed they will disappear instead of be productive to the operation
17:06:50 <ryan> evilworks im about to
17:06:57 <ryan> get names etc on everyone affiliated
17:07:00 <ryan> and then SSNs
17:07:23 <ryan> I reckon they're stupid enough that they have earned themselves a good spot in HTP-5
17:07:45 <lady-3jane> You're in the wrong channel, I think.
17:10:07 <ryan> not at all
17:56:53 <AnonForecast> OpBlackout killed HTP
17:56:56 <AnonForecast> faggot
17:57:19 <AnonForecast> OpSec has full HTP dox. if you were real HTP you would know that.
17:57:43 <joepie91>
17:57:50 <joepie91> oh jesus christ
17:58:09 <joepie91> AnonForecast: you seem to be quite actively trying to cause shitstorms today
17:58:13 <joepie91> could you do that somewhere else
17:58:25 <joepie91> it's starting to get very annoying
17:58:34 <joepie91> this is the *second* time I have to warn you
18:00:23 <lady-3jane> also who the fuck calls themselves opsec... that's a damn business position
18:00:29 <lady-3jane> lmfao
18:00:44 <joepie91> lady-3jane: don't throw fuel on the fire
18:01:00 <lady-3jane> I'm not :(
18:01:07 * lady-3jane pouts
18:01:21 <joepie91> you are, because this will probably elicit some kind of rant that turns into an argument that turns into namecalling that turns into a lot of drama
18:01:29 <joepie91> which is the exact thing I am trying to keep out of here
18:01:39 <joepie91> see topic
18:02:31 <lady-3jane> NP: [Kurtis Blow - The Breaks] [FABRICLIVE.33] [969kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:02:51 * lady-3jane pouts in the corner while listening to situationally appropriate music
18:03:25 <AnonForecast> i stopped.
18:04:07 <lady-3jane> NP: [Yes - Owner Of A Lonely Heart] [FABRICLIVE.33] [852kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:04:30 <joepie91> good
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19:45:53 <lady-3jane> some of the experimental features in chrome are awesome
19:46:12 * lady-3jane turns shit on
19:50:08 <AnonForecast> like?
19:53:20 <lady-3jane> compositing in a separate thread, some of the UI modifications (like the action bar and script badges), and a new scoring system for predictive omnibox autocompletion
19:59:10 <joepie91> so, uh
19:59:14 <joepie91> I just realized something
19:59:19 <joepie91> I renewed the cryto domain today
19:59:40 <joepie91> this means that in 4 days, it will be the third anniversary of the domain!
19:59:41 <joepie91> :p
19:59:46 <joepie91> (the domain, not cryto itself)
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20:06:11 <joepie91> okay, two year anniversary of cryto itself coming up
20:06:13 <joepie91> next month
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20:33:29 <AnonForecast> congrats joe
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21:36:15 <wh1t3r4bb1t> sweet!
21:40:51 <lady-3jane> wh1t3r4bb1t:) are you in #bitcoin?
21:41:46 <lady-3jane> similar nick being used there, minus the leet modifications :>
21:46:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I am now
21:46:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> The thing about this client is that I cant see anyone else that's connected through hubs
21:47:18 <wh1t3r4bb1t> only people connected on the cryto server show up in the sidebar
21:47:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> :(
21:47:50 <wh1t3r4bb1t> How are you today lady-3jane?
21:48:18 <wh1t3r4bb1t> And how are you joepie91? you seem in a better mood.
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21:54:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I'm coding the slide up footer for the BTCM site and I was under the impression that the jquery "slideUp" function moved elements up, but it seems to be moving them down?wtf?
21:54:59 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I am currently having a constructive discussion
21:55:03 <joepie91> with someone
21:55:10 <joepie91> :)
21:55:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> NP, someone else knows jquery I would imagine.
21:56:52 <joepie91> I mean as in
21:56:53 <joepie91> good mood
21:57:29 <joepie91> also, wh1t3r4bb1t
21:57:34 <joepie91> read the docs
21:57:36 <joepie91> :p
21:57:42 <joepie91> The .slideUp() method animates the height of the matched elements. This causes lower parts of the page to slide up, appearing to conceal the items.
21:57:50 <joepie91> if the element is at the bottom of the page
21:57:53 <joepie91> the page height changes
21:57:59 <joepie91> and as such it appears to slide up
21:58:04 <joepie91> because the browser respects the page boundaries
21:58:12 <joepie91> and updates the scroll position of the entire page
21:58:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I was just reading that lol
21:58:21 <joepie91> err, appears to slide down *
21:58:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ok well I want to use animate then
21:59:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> basically I need to change the "bottom: 0px;" property to be line 200px or something then change it back
21:59:29 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I will try animate
21:59:36 * joepie91 is not sure what you're trying to do
21:59:40 <joepie91> can you describe it visually?
22:02:11 <joepie91> also, wh1t3r4bb1t, a few suggestions:
22:02:19 <joepie91> the "1st, 2nd, 3rd step" headers seem a bit cheesy
22:02:23 <joepie91> I recommend leaving the first step one intact
22:02:35 <joepie91> and changing the other two to a more descriptive title about what the step entails
22:03:16 <joepie91> as for the menu bar - make the hover happen on the <a>, not on the <li> - the hover-able part does not correctly indicate the clickable part now
22:03:38 <joepie91> and I'd increase the left padding on the search box a bit
22:03:41 <joepie91> other than that, I like it :)
22:04:01 <joepie91> (also, if you have a PNG version of the logo, use that instead)
22:07:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 1. The logo IS png.
22:08:02 <joepie91> wat
22:08:03 <joepie91> sec
22:08:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 2. There is no padding on the search box it's text-indent
22:08:14 <joepie91> oh wow
22:08:17 <joepie91> I thought I saw artifacts
22:08:25 <joepie91> weeeeird
22:08:34 <joepie91> and, okay
22:08:40 <joepie91> then increase text-indent? :P
22:08:41 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 3. I need to make the whole li clickable
22:08:44 <joepie91> no
22:08:52 <joepie91> you need to make the <a> fill the li
22:08:55 <joepie91> or get rid of the <li> altogether
22:08:55 <joepie91> :p
22:09:10 <joepie91> "making the whole li clickable" is a terrible idea
22:09:14 <joepie91> <li> does not have a href element
22:09:15 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I need to fill the li
22:09:21 <joepie91> and it's madness to require JS to have a functional menu
22:09:23 <joepie91> er
22:09:27 <joepie91> href parameter*
22:09:32 <joepie91> yes
22:09:51 <joepie91> just give the <a> the block etc style that <li> now has
22:10:08 <wh1t3r4bb1t> but all the subtile things will happen in time. I'm currently working on the jquery footer animation
22:11:03 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Functional menu JS? What are you talking about?
22:11:19 <joepie91> if you want to make the li clickable, you have exactly one option
22:11:22 <joepie91> and that's a javascript click event
22:11:32 <joepie91> that would make it require JS to use the menu properly
22:11:40 <joepie91> that's what I mean :P
22:11:57 <joepie91> which is why I suggested filling the li instead
22:15:12 <ryan> solution
22:15:16 <ryan> to all of your troubles
22:15:22 <ryan> don't touch web development ever
22:17:28 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I already told you I am going to fill the li with the a tag
22:18:04 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: I know, I am just explaining why I suggested that lol
22:18:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I need some toast for this jelly in here though.
22:18:25 <joepie91> ryan: webdev is generally one big mess
22:18:33 <joepie91> :/
22:18:41 * wh1t3r4bb1t gets some toast
22:18:52 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Damn this is good jelly
22:18:58 <joepie91> honestly, things like CSS... who *designed* that crap
22:19:10 <joepie91> it's so machine-focused that they forgot to make it usable for humans
22:20:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Well the thing about CSS is not the CSS but the herp derp browser developers that fuck shit up.
22:21:03 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: try to vertically center an element with unknown width and height, and say again that CSS is not a problem
22:21:03 <joepie91> :P
22:21:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 1. There is absolutely no reason EVER for a browser to add CSS period.
22:21:23 <joepie91> without using hacks like using a 1 cell table
22:22:15 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 2. The browser should ALWAYS process the CSS as described.
22:22:51 <wh1t3r4bb1t> 3. ALL browsers should use the SAME standard when processing CSS.
22:23:49 <joepie91> I agree with 2. and 3.
22:23:51 <joepie91> but not with 1.
22:24:00 <wh1t3r4bb1t> But you know how Johnny likes to be different than Jack. Fucking ingrate browser devs. One thing I hate.
22:24:02 <joepie91> oh wait
22:24:10 <joepie91> or do you mean add CSS to an individual document by itself?
22:24:21 <joepie91> or adding support for new CSS thingies that are not defined in spec?
22:24:27 * joepie91 is unsure how to parse 1.
22:24:28 <lady-3jane> I'm doing well, wh1t3r4bb1t :)
22:25:04 <wh1t3r4bb1t> No there is no reason for the browser to ever add any CSS anywhere ever. Period. It's job it to interpred code not add it.
22:25:25 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: so you mean the former? modifying documents on the fly?
22:25:31 <wh1t3r4bb1t> If the developer leaves something out that's on them. It's not the browsers job to fix the developers CSS.
22:25:35 <joepie91> if so, then I agree with that, with the exception of extensions
22:25:38 <lady-3jane> perhaps he means the defaults that are on every element
22:25:49 <lady-3jane> you can see them greyed in chrome
22:26:18 <wh1t3r4bb1t> YES lady-3jane
22:26:25 <joepie91> problem: standards commissions take fucking forever to decide on shit
22:26:35 <joepie91> for example, the blue outline around a selected input element
22:26:42 <joepie91> this was introduced by... chrome, I think?
22:26:46 <joepie91> and slowly taken over by other browsers
22:27:03 <joepie91> had it been submitted to a standards commission, we probably still wouldn't have that outline
22:27:07 <joepie91> today
22:27:44 <wh1t3r4bb1t> It should have never existed. If I want the something I will do it myself in CSS I don't need it to be there automatically.
22:28:13 <lady-3jane> It would be neat to have a post-implementation way to create standards quickly, such that if all major browser vendors are already doing something, and all in the same way, it can just be automatically approved.
22:28:42 <lady-3jane> that way you don't have pseudo-undocumented functionality
22:28:53 <lady-3jane> or, less of it
22:28:54 <lady-3jane> haha
22:29:14 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Then if I want it removed it's just one more thing I have to do and most of those browser defaults have !important and can't be overridden. Anyways that's my rant. Fuck browser devs with broken glass. :P
22:29:49 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: actually, you should be able to override all browser styles by default
22:29:55 <joepie91> <wh1t3r4bb1t>It should have never existed. If I want the something I will do it myself in CSS I don't need it to be there automatically.
22:29:59 <joepie91> as for that, that is unreasonable
22:30:01 <lady-3jane> ironically all browser resets are targeted at that problem
22:30:20 <joepie91> you would have an undefined background color (may be white, black or gray depending on renderer or toolkit used)
22:30:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Lol try to set button line height in FF. Not going to happen ever.
22:30:32 <joepie91> that you'd have to define or you'd get inconsistent results
22:30:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Why? because they fucking stuck their dick in the mashed potatoes.
22:30:44 <joepie91> it would be impossible to make it clearer to users what form field they are filling in
22:30:45 <joepie91> etc
22:30:57 <joepie91> lady-3jane: browser resets are terrible
22:31:03 <joepie91> giant blobs of code
22:31:21 <lady-3jane> the one I use is nice
22:31:27 <joepie91> "the one I use"
22:31:30 <joepie91> there's the problem
22:31:30 <joepie91> lol
22:31:42 <joepie91> how can multiple resets even exist
22:31:46 <joepie91> to do the same thing
22:32:18 <lady-3jane>
22:32:19 <wh1t3r4bb1t> See that's why the browser should leave shit the fuck alone so we don't need vrowser resets
22:32:25 <wh1t3r4bb1t> browser*
22:32:56 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: the problem isn't predefined styles, the problem is aggressive predefined styles (!important) and inconsistent predefined styles
22:33:12 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Anyways I'm gonna go hurl midgets and finish this jquery shizzle
22:33:14 <joepie91> have one common predefined style implementation across browsers that keeps its hands off everything that doesn't serve an immediate purpose
22:33:15 <joepie91> and boom
22:33:17 <joepie91> problem solved
22:34:17 <wh1t3r4bb1t> What you said should be the law. Like Judge Dread. You cross the law, you die.
22:34:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Lol
22:35:02 <joepie91> lady-3jane: that's hardly a reset
22:35:03 <joepie91> more a patch
22:35:09 <lady-3jane> I know :)
22:35:15 <lady-3jane> It fixes problems :>
22:35:16 <joepie91> like 90% of the code in there is browser-specific fixes
22:35:24 <joepie91> well yes, but it's not a reset
22:35:24 <joepie91> :P
22:35:41 <lady-3jane> provides for more consistent display <3
22:35:41 <joepie91> as the name implies, it's a normalization
22:36:05 <lady-3jane> I had problems with actual resets
22:36:10 <lady-3jane> they break too much stuff :/
22:36:27 <lady-3jane> like the meyers one or whatever
22:36:31 <lady-3jane> I swear most of them are based on that one
22:37:20 <lady-3jane> I should hook my code shit up to github again so I can put a pull request
22:37:28 <lady-3jane> there's a problem I run into with that one haha
22:37:38 <joepie91> kgo
22:37:44 <lady-3jane> I always have to diff them to remember what I change
22:37:50 <lady-3jane> lol
22:38:00 <lady-3jane> iirc they apply something to html that shouldn't be
22:38:04 <lady-3jane> it fucks up a bunch of stuff
22:38:04 <lady-3jane> :/
22:43:00 <joepie91>
22:44:08 <lady-3jane> yup
22:48:30 <lady-3jane> what the fuck man
22:48:42 <lady-3jane> I've got ripe oranges in February
22:48:52 * lady-3jane noms
22:49:05 <lady-3jane> that's fucked up tho
22:50:19 <joepie91> what is?
22:50:39 <lady-3jane> having oranges in February
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23:41:25 <joepie91> lol
23:42:05 <Kamonra> joepie :D
23:42:20 <joepie91> Kamonra: hai
23:42:24 <Kamonra> hai :3
23:42:29 <joepie91> long time no talk, but I'm literally about to sleep :P
23:42:29 <joepie91> oh
23:42:32 <joepie91> two things
23:42:34 <Kamonra> ?
23:42:46 <joepie91> 1. this is now a publicly logged channel, prefix a message with [off] to have it not be logged
23:42:50 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
23:42:50 <loggy>
23:42:57 <Kamonra> okiee dokiee
23:43:02 <Kamonra> thank you joepie91
23:43:07 <joepie91> 2. can you poke xnite and ask him to get online, as his tahoe server is lost
23:43:11 <joepie91> as in, literally lost
23:43:16 <joepie91> it's connected to a few leafs
23:43:18 <Kamonra> sec
23:43:20 <joepie91> but doesn't seem to have any idea where the introducer is
23:43:20 <joepie91> lol
23:43:31 <Kamonra> I'll let him know
23:43:41 <Kamonra> he wants to know how long hs it been lost
23:43:42 <Kamonra> *has
23:43:42 <joepie91> okay, ask him to PM me and I'll send him the introducer furl
23:43:47 <joepie91> since the introducer change, I'd imagine
23:43:53 <joepie91> it sorta works, most of the time
23:43:54 <Kamonra> Send it to me and I'll give it to him
23:44:05 <joepie91> but not connected to all servers
23:44:06 <joepie91> okay
23:44:07 <joepie91> actually, can you ask him to post tweet to verify
23:44:14 <joepie91> saying "oranges"
23:44:15 <joepie91> or whatever :P
23:44:15 <Kamonra> sex
23:44:17 <Kamonra> *sec
23:44:39 <Kamonra> there we go
23:44:46 <Kamonra> He's on the phone or I'd have him hop on
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23:45:37 <joepie91> alright
23:45:39 <joepie91> will PM, one sec
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23:45:43 <Kamonra> kk
23:46:13 <joepie91> alright, so, off to bed now!
23:46:16 <Kamonra> nini
23:46:23 <joepie91> night :)
23:46:27 <joepie91> (@all, too)