Cryto! 23 July 2013
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03:43:28 <lady-3jane> NP: [Tinariwen - Amassakoul 'n' Ténéré] [Amassakoul] [695kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
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10:04:07 <iceTwy> Hey
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12:40:07 <joepie91> iceTwy: hai
12:40:11 <joepie91> iceTwy: http://www.musiques-incongrues.net/forum/discussion/7478/appel-a-contribution-codeurs-php-pour-une-appli-de-crowdfunding-specifique-labelsartistes/#Item_0
12:43:35 <joepie91> also, iceTwy: https://soundcloud.com/logosamphia/acoustica-ritmuendo
12:54:36 <iceTwy> hello
12:54:37 <iceTwy> sec
12:55:02 <iceTwy> ya but
12:55:07 <iceTwy> joepie91: I'm not a PHP dev ;)
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13:06:35 <joepie91> just thought it might at least be interesting to read :)
13:07:09 <mama> hi joepie91
13:07:15 <mama> any updates?
13:17:50 <joepie91> 19:02:43 <joepie91> anyway, went to answer some questions about it today, can't really give any details as of yet
13:17:51 <joepie91> :P
13:55:17 <zxcvbnm> alright chumbawumbas
13:58:23 <joepie91> ?
14:05:57 <zxcvbnm> hmm?
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15:14:06 <monod> hello guyz!
15:20:31 <iceTwy> hai monod
15:22:46 <monod> I tried to figure out how to unplug a computer from the power socket without shutting it down, like they did with joepie92's
15:26:49 <MK_FG> I'd think replace the fuse in UPS with a metal bar, plug male-male cord from it's battery into same socket group and unplug it from the original grid
15:30:13 <monod> joepie's UPS? Does he have one?
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15:35:31 <joepie91> I don't have a UPS
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15:50:44 <zxcvbnm> joepie91 has a DHL
15:50:46 <zxcvbnm> heeeeeeeeeey o!
15:52:52 * lady-3jane repeatedly slaps zxcvbnm
15:52:53 <lady-3jane> oh god no
15:52:59 <lady-3jane> no no no!
15:53:15 <lady-3jane> bad jokes :<
15:53:49 <monod> hahahahah
15:54:41 <monod> I think I've just won a verbal arm wrestling with some geek on #gentoo
15:55:08 <monod> (the hahaha is for the /me action!)
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16:10:27 <lady-3jane> NP: [Mediks - Outbreak] [Outbreak EP] [1026kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:10:47 * lady-3jane dances
16:10:50 <lady-3jane> and soon: coffee
16:10:57 <lady-3jane> CAWPHEE
16:11:15 <monod> lulzz
16:11:16 <lady-3jane> "sumatran" coffee is my favorite of the non-turkish variety
16:11:23 <lady-3jane> it's fruity :O
16:11:35 <monod> good god, switch to tea, immediately!
16:11:44 <lady-3jane> absolutely not
16:11:52 <monod> slow... tasty... ez....
16:11:57 <monod> lulz
16:12:05 <lady-3jane> :3
16:12:11 <lady-3jane> No, I very much want coffee
16:12:15 <lady-3jane> tea is no substitute
16:12:46 <lady-3jane> I love tea, but it will never be coffee to me
16:13:49 * lady-3jane squeeees and runs to get coffee
16:14:24 * monod giggles! GIGGLES! lady-3jane
16:15:24 * lady-3jane :D
16:15:42 <lady-3jane> fruity with an earthy aftertaste
16:15:43 <lady-3jane> so tasty
16:15:54 <lady-3jane> NP: [Mediks - Blown Away] [Outbreak EP] [1076kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:16:02 * lady-3jane kekekes
16:19:54 <lady-3jane> NP: [The Andrew Sisters - Rum & Coca Cola (JoJo Effect Remix)] [Betty Boop presents Electro Swing] [887kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:20:47 <lady-3jane> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crbuYBWmVF0
16:20:52 <lady-3jane> ^ son
16:20:52 <lady-3jane> g
16:21:43 <lady-3jane> lulz accents
16:22:21 <lady-3jane> mmmm, sailor boys
16:22:38 <lady-3jane> that was the nice thing about san diego
16:22:58 <lady-3jane> gaslight district was sailors on leave and the girls who wanted em
16:23:04 <lady-3jane> very pretty :>
16:27:39 * zxcvbnm packet captures packet captures
16:28:43 <lady-3jane> AWEEEE YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
16:28:52 <MK_FG> Tapping teh NSA?
16:29:30 <lady-3jane> the hardware that was in the att switching center in san francisco was commercially available
16:29:41 <lady-3jane> I forget the company
16:29:43 <lady-3jane> but you can buy em
16:29:44 <lady-3jane> :>
16:30:26 <zxcvbnm> always
16:30:28 <lady-3jane> we sold em to middle eastern countries. orrrrr didn't balk when our companies wanted to
16:30:45 <lady-3jane> they're not bluecoat
16:30:50 <lady-3jane> fuck, I can't remember the company
16:30:51 <lady-3jane> whatever
16:30:51 <lady-3jane> lol
16:31:09 <lady-3jane> bluecabinet would know
16:31:18 <monod> zxcvbnm, what do you mean?
16:31:42 <MK_FG> Did bans on even real barrel-and-shell weapons ever worked?
16:32:36 <lady-3jane> not in this country
16:32:57 <lady-3jane> only automatic weapons were sufficiently banned, and everyone got to keep the ones they had
16:33:10 <MK_FG> Oh, I actually meant exports
16:33:18 <lady-3jane> oh
16:33:29 <lady-3jane> I don't know much about that
16:33:39 <lady-3jane> I figure we sell to friends who sell to enemies
16:33:43 <lady-3jane> that's usually how it works
16:34:06 <lady-3jane> for very very interesting definitions of "friends"
16:34:07 <MK_FG> Like, when one idiot is starting some war and bans export/import there, it looks like all of his haters or wannabes start selling shit to it all of sudden ;)
16:34:31 <MK_FG> Examples are all over cold war
16:34:36 <lady-3jane> when that's done it's called a foreign policy initiative :3
16:35:26 <lady-3jane> the other issue is that in countries which have more land borders than the US, it's often easy to drive trucks over the border
16:35:54 <lady-3jane> It's still pretty easy here, but we've got predator drones covering mexico's border, with plans and money for more
16:36:38 <MK_FG> My thinking was that it's kinda hard to imagine bans export/import of computers or algorithms when even military-only-produced gear never was under control, it seems
16:36:53 * lady-3jane wonders how long until authorization to shoot missiles at people coming over the border from mexico illegally
16:37:12 <lady-3jane> ha ha but that's exactly what we have
16:37:29 <lady-3jane> cuba has shit tech stuff because we got everyone to embargo them
16:37:34 <iceTwy> lol
16:37:35 <iceTwy> not long
16:37:45 <MK_FG> What? No!
16:37:59 <lady-3jane> also, as far as crypto goes, we have a huge export ban on crypto
16:38:05 <lady-3jane> nobody honors it anymore, but companies have to
16:38:08 <MK_FG> It had shit tech while Fidel was in power and basically shot everyone who tried to use tech there
16:38:15 <lady-3jane> yes
16:38:20 <lady-3jane> they're trying to make the transition right now
16:38:25 <lady-3jane> it's fascinating to watch
16:38:37 <lady-3jane> obama dropped most of that shit in 2008 or 2009
16:38:45 <lady-3jane> so they can buy tech stuff again
16:39:06 <lady-3jane> they've just turned on a fiber run to venezuela, and a backup to... I forget
16:39:15 <lady-3jane> one of the other countries with infrastructure
16:39:28 <lady-3jane> the run to venezuela is their first
16:39:36 <lady-3jane> all access previous to that was via microwave
16:39:46 <lady-3jane> or satelite
16:40:16 <MK_FG> And with a permission, at specific places where it was given
16:40:25 <MK_FG> Even for foreigners
16:40:26 <lady-3jane> hotels have it, yeah
16:40:36 <lady-3jane> and recently they've gotten quite lax with that
16:40:42 <lady-3jane> but it's outpriced for locals
16:40:44 <MK_FG> Raul's soft ;(
16:41:25 <lady-3jane> when a day of interbutts is almost half what you make a month... it's not gonna fly
16:43:02 <lady-3jane> narus!
16:43:11 <lady-3jane> narus hardware! that's what they used in att switching room.
16:43:29 <lady-3jane> http://bluecabinet.info/wiki/Blue_cabinet/Narus
16:50:32 * zxcvbnm muhahahahaha
16:50:41 <MK_FG> And I'm Spartacus
16:50:46 <MK_FG> Well met!
16:50:49 <zxcvbnm> Indeed
16:51:00 <zxcvbnm> You're like the 10th Spartacus I've met ..
16:51:20 <MK_FG> They're more common than Napoleons these days, it seems
16:51:32 <zxcvbnm> classic
16:51:59 <MK_FG> What to print on a t-shirt?
16:52:14 <MK_FG> Need a new one and thinking to print something on it...
17:00:34 <joepie91> MK_FG: I got raided by the FBI, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
17:00:48 <MK_FG> o_O
17:00:56 <joepie91> :D
17:00:58 <MK_FG> They gave you an FBI t-shirt!?
17:00:59 <joepie91> perfect print
17:01:01 <joepie91> no
17:01:02 <joepie91> lol
17:01:05 <joepie91> I was just suggesting a print
17:01:06 <MK_FG> Oh
17:01:09 <joepie91> you don't recognize the meme?
17:01:21 <MK_FG> Heh, no, apparently
17:01:26 <joepie91> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AndAllIGotWasThisLousyTShirt
17:01:39 <MK_FG> Good idea
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17:04:59 <MK_FG> Should probably translate that to arabic, except for FSB acronym...
17:05:23 <MK_FG> Local skinheads might beat the shit out of me for it though ;)
17:07:59 <lady-3jane> beat them back?
17:08:01 <lady-3jane> :D
17:08:15 <lady-3jane> just keep a pipewrench on you, you'll be fine
17:08:15 <lady-3jane> lol
17:15:42 <MK_FG> Might be possible, but quite difficult
17:16:09 <MK_FG> Way too much hassle ;)
17:22:16 * zxcvbnm disclaimer: pipe wrench might be harder to wield than anticipated
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17:34:19 <lady-3jane> oh man
17:34:20 <lady-3jane> http://www.dronestagr.am/
17:34:33 <lady-3jane> It's exactly what it sounds like
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17:55:44 <monod> *goosh* wow
17:57:57 <monod> I'm realizing that river metaphor has an interpretation in informatics as well as that in life
17:58:17 <monod> whenever you fill something you can imagine it as a river flowing actually.
17:58:35 <monod> so just hdd's interpretation U_U and other storages as well
18:05:09 <lady-3jane> yes
18:05:27 <lady-3jane> "Data flows." was a favorite
18:06:46 <lady-3jane> keeping iftop running is a fascinating venture
18:12:14 <monod> Data flows? and - iftop?
18:12:53 <monod> oooooh
18:13:07 <monod> like top, but for netbutt usage!
18:15:55 <zxcvbnm> net butt baaaby
18:16:50 <monod> I wonder WHY the AMD Athlon XP 2000+ has 34 bit for physical addresses
18:17:18 <monod> maybe 32 bits for memory, 2 for paging, so... 4 pages xD
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18:45:30 <iceTwy> ping
18:48:52 <zxcvbnm> pong
18:49:01 <zxcvbnm> the latency!!
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19:49:20 <monod> "can nobody save us? will anyone try?"
19:51:49 <iceTwy> god
19:51:50 <iceTwy> Russia
19:51:50 <iceTwy> http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-from-russia-everyone-needs-to-see
19:59:34 <zxcvbnm> Russia will save us
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20:48:06 <monod> lagtest
20:48:12 <monod> the heck?..
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21:00:29 <AnonO_o> hai
21:02:38 <monod> hello!
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21:09:34 <AnonO_o> joe still alive?
21:09:50 <monod> I think he's busy as usual
21:28:16 <joepie91> AnonO_o: I'm still physically alive, yes
21:29:02 <maddux> joepie91: :3
21:29:26 <maddux> did tflow talk to you about some coding stuff? gpg related?
21:29:29 <joepie91> maddux: hai
21:29:32 <joepie91> not yet
21:29:47 <maddux> hm k, he was interested in some project you suggested a while ago
21:30:02 <maddux> use PKI instead of web passwords
21:30:16 <joepie91> oh, that'd be the concept at the bottom of http://cryto.net/~joepie91
21:30:17 <joepie91> I think
21:30:35 <maddux> yeah he probably has seen it. he'll prolly hit you up at some point
21:31:16 <lady-3jane> haha fuck yeah!
21:31:23 <AnonO_o> is there any follow up on what happened joe, or are you still in limbo while they get their heads out of their collective asses?
21:31:32 <lady-3jane> spdy indicator now has a logo for spdy draft 2!
21:31:58 <lady-3jane> YEAH
21:31:59 <joepie91> AnonO_o: I'd say that's a somewhat apt description
21:32:03 <lady-3jane> and it has a logo for QUIC
21:32:15 * lady-3jane excite
21:32:20 <joepie91> I didn't seem to have the information they needed
21:32:46 <lady-3jane> does that mean you'll get your shit back shortly?
21:33:25 <joepie91> there's no ETA on that yet
21:34:24 * lady-3jane nods
21:34:33 <maddux> ETA is probably something like "hahahaha, you're funny!"
21:34:36 <lady-3jane> "I hope so"
21:35:16 <AnonO_o> fuxdafedz
21:35:30 <AnonO_o> so it was just harassment... "we're watching you buddy"
21:35:45 <monod> lulz
21:35:48 <lady-3jane> that doesn't seem like a sane conclusion
21:35:54 <monod> do they wasted time?
21:36:18 <monod> sorry, I forgot I can't argue now
21:36:26 <monod> (bedtime)
21:36:44 <AnonO_o> sane?
21:36:49 <lady-3jane> yes
21:36:55 <joepie91> AnonO_o: no, it wasn't harrassment I think
21:37:00 <joepie91> I think they genuinely believed I had information
21:37:09 <lady-3jane> they wouldn't have been so nice if it was harrassment
21:38:00 <AnonO_o> we'll see the state of the equipment on return.
21:38:18 <monod> oh well, consider this: they also have information on people in contact with joepie91
21:38:34 <AnonO_o> ermahgawd
21:38:47 <AnonO_o> joe, you didn't tell them about us in Paris?!
21:38:59 * lady-3jane laughs
21:39:00 <maddux> OMG WHAT!?
21:39:05 <maddux> they know to whom joe talked?
21:39:09 <maddux> THIS IS THE END!!!
21:39:21 <AnonO_o> this...is... sparta!
21:39:46 <AnonO_o> of course, everything is a conspiracy to them
21:39:54 <monod> 1) I was serious, those are side informations 2) ok, it's bedtime here, but....
21:39:55 <AnonO_o> conspiring to commit a conspiracy
21:40:27 <maddux> this is one of the most annoying things about anon
21:40:36 <maddux> almost everything is a conspiracy theory
21:40:57 <maddux> even if there is a myriad of facts contradicting it
21:41:02 <maddux> but facts are overrated...
21:41:27 <maddux> not only anon, many "normal" folks are infected too
21:41:32 <maddux> twitter is a breeding ground
21:41:42 <lady-3jane> It
21:41:47 <lady-3jane> It's not anon, it's people
21:41:59 <lady-3jane> that's how people make judgements with imperfect or lacking information
21:42:03 <AnonO_o> solient green?
21:42:06 <maddux> if you'd ask on twitter who many think that hastings was killed by the Govt, you'd probably have about 90% say yes
21:42:18 <maddux> evidence? ahh.. nah, but it's SKETCHY!
21:42:20 <maddux> DONT YOU SEE IT
21:42:24 <maddux> ITS OBVIOUS!
21:42:35 * AnonO_o passes out tin foil
21:42:50 <lady-3jane> yes, and I'd say the same thing. but I know zero facts about the case, other than he drove fast and flipped his car
21:43:04 <lady-3jane> and there was a fire or some shit
21:43:07 <maddux> well, there are certain weird circumstances, that is true
21:43:36 <maddux> but.. as always with conspiracy theories, i could make up 5000+ other theories on how he was killed that are completely different
21:43:44 <maddux> but as plausible or even more so
21:43:46 <lady-3jane> it's possible it was nothing, just a bad series of events. Also could be gov. Also could be a corp if he was getting onto somebody's shit
21:44:00 * lady-3jane shrugs
21:44:02 <maddux> yes, indeed
21:44:05 <iceTwy> right lemme get this correct
21:44:14 <maddux> there are not enough facts to prove anything
21:44:16 <iceTwy> if I do not sign a message when I encrypt it with PGP
21:44:20 <iceTwy> GPG, rather
21:44:32 <maddux> go on?
21:44:39 <iceTwy> there is no way one can know the email that's on the key I used to sign
21:44:51 <iceTwy> and/or the identity given when the key was generated
21:44:58 <iceTwy> unless it's an email obviously
21:45:14 <maddux> uhm not quite sure if i understood you correctly
21:45:27 <lady-3jane> he's talking about encrypting a bit of data, not an email
21:45:35 <maddux> you do not sign an email, but merely encrypzt it and send it to someone?
21:45:42 <iceTwy> no
21:45:44 <maddux> you would not be using any of your keys to do that
21:45:46 <iceTwy> you encrypt a file, let's say
21:45:49 <maddux> yes
21:45:51 <iceTwy> well obviously..
21:45:52 <maddux> to whom?
21:45:56 <iceTwy> to a random person
21:45:58 <maddux> you need to encrypt it to a key
21:46:03 <iceTwy> ikr
21:46:05 <maddux> yes, okay some random persons key.
21:46:09 <lady-3jane> if they have a gpg key, you can encrypt it to their key
21:46:11 <maddux> so you use HIS public key to encrypt
21:46:17 <iceTwy> then your identity/email never appears whatsoever
21:46:19 <iceTwy> I'm aware maddux
21:46:20 <lady-3jane> only they can decrypt it
21:46:21 <lady-3jane> yes
21:46:22 <iceTwy> I use GPG myself
21:46:23 <maddux> he would not know whose encrypted it
21:46:28 <iceTwy> good then
21:46:46 <lady-3jane> I'm not sure how you'd get the data to the person without them knowing who you were, but I leave that to you
21:46:53 <iceTwy> well
21:46:58 <iceTwy> this is an article for mah blog
21:46:59 <maddux> use a trandom email?
21:47:01 <maddux> random*
21:47:08 <maddux> throwaway rather
21:47:12 <iceTwy> ye
21:47:18 <iceTwy> throwaway email + throwaway GPG key
21:47:20 <iceTwy> yeaaaaaaaah
21:47:23 <iceTwy> that's anonymity.
21:47:23 <lady-3jane> no
21:47:27 <lady-3jane> well, sure
21:47:34 <lady-3jane> but you don't need the gpg key for this scenario
21:47:35 <lady-3jane> lol
21:47:39 <iceTwy> yeah
21:47:39 <iceTwy> lol
21:47:46 <maddux> you don't need a key at all to encrypt
21:47:52 <maddux> well you need a recipient key
21:48:00 <lady-3jane> pubkey or shared secret
21:48:00 <maddux> but you don't need any of your keys to do that
21:48:40 <maddux> you use your secret key only to sign messages (then it's obviously tied to your key) or to decrypt a message/file that was encrypted to your key
21:50:26 <lady-3jane> oh fucking shit, those little boxes on tweets are emoji?
21:50:39 <lady-3jane> I didn't even know that was a thing
21:50:42 <joepie91> lady-3jane: international character sets!
21:51:15 <lady-3jane> it seems like emoji is its own thing though
21:51:45 <lady-3jane> or are emoticons actually just built into utf8 now
21:53:23 <lady-3jane> oh wow
21:53:27 <lady-3jane> some of it is actually in utf8
21:53:39 <lady-3jane> Although originally only available in Japan, some emoji character sets have been incorporated into Unicode, allowing them to be used elsewhere as well. As a result, some phones such as Windows Phone 7 line and the iPhone allow access to the symbols without requiring a Japanese operator.
21:54:09 <lady-3jane> that is going to piss me off at a later date
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22:04:34 <monod> hey
22:04:35 <monod> got to go
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22:05:31 <joepie91> time to sleep
22:05:32 <joepie91> night all
22:06:03 <AnonO_o> nite joe
22:07:40 <iceTwy> night
22:16:22 <MK_FG> iceTwy, Are you initiated into PFS and Deniability ritual with gpg?
22:16:31 <iceTwy> No
22:16:38 <iceTwy> I'm feeling curious tho?
22:17:19 <iceTwy> MK_FG: ^
22:18:01 <MK_FG> Well, idea is that in the first gpg-crypted mail to some person you *always*, send *only* ad-hoc generated gpg key and say "send me your ad-hoc key in reply pls"
22:18:29 <MK_FG> After that exchange, you use thse keys for a few mails, then repeat the dance, generating new keys
22:18:40 <MK_FG> And publish these old keys on some pastebin
22:18:59 <MK_FG> Hence, forward secrecy and deniability
22:19:01 <MK_FG> \o/
22:19:54 <MK_FG> "forward secrecy" - if one of long-term "identity" key broken later, it's kinda useless, as it's only used for "send me ur key!" msgs
22:20:35 <MK_FG> "deniability" - all ad-hoc keys are public, so no one can later prove that only you were able to generate message X - everyone could've done that, they're public!
22:21:16 <MK_FG> (just thought it's somewhat related to topic above)
22:22:31 <iceTwy> haha
22:22:33 <iceTwy> this is genius
22:23:15 <iceTwy> either way
22:23:17 <iceTwy> first part posted
22:23:17 <iceTwy> http://blog.icetwy.re/
22:23:27 <iceTwy> I'd love some feedback
22:29:01 <AnonO_o> use the xkcd password suggestion thing
22:29:24 <iceTwy> link?
22:29:48 <AnonO_o> never have your pgp password in a manager
22:29:58 <iceTwy> huh
22:30:05 <iceTwy> => why?
22:30:19 <AnonO_o> http://xkcd.com/936/
22:30:29 <AnonO_o> they break the password manager, they got your pgp password
22:31:39 <iceTwy> what do you mean by break
22:32:47 <iceTwy> AnonO_o: ^
22:32:58 <iceTwy> if you're talking about LE, you're compelled to give them your pass anyway lol
22:33:00 <AnonO_o> you might add a thing about uploading your pub key to say pgpkeys.mit.edu so others can find you
22:33:08 <iceTwy> true
22:33:10 <iceTwy> good suggestion
22:33:18 <AnonO_o> yeh, LE
22:33:44 <AnonO_o> and you don't need to be compelled to expose ALL of your passwords
22:33:53 <AnonO_o> so you don't want to give them gold without working for it
22:34:26 <AnonO_o> also, verify fingerprint is good topic and how to do it
22:34:40 <iceTwy> this only covers the basics tho
22:34:45 <iceTwy> not advanced stuff
22:34:47 <AnonO_o> especially in like a journalist/source method
22:34:56 <AnonO_o> but I like your writing style.
22:36:18 <iceTwy> thanks a lot!
22:37:32 <AnonO_o> did you add the mit thing, or did I miss reading it the first time?
22:37:40 <AnonO_o> if you're trolling me.. lol.
22:37:48 <iceTwy> I added it
22:37:49 <iceTwy> o.o
22:38:01 <AnonO_o> ++
22:38:05 <iceTwy> unless I didn't save it? ;o
22:38:10 <iceTwy> it's there
22:38:11 <iceTwy> yay
22:38:39 <iceTwy> But yeah
22:38:51 <iceTwy> Basically, I assume that GPG on CLI was the most annoying part of the article to deal with
22:38:53 <iceTwy> as in,
22:38:55 <iceTwy> the longest
22:39:00 <iceTwy> the next one up is GPG on GUI
22:39:03 <AnonO_o> you want easy to use, talk about thunderbird and the opengpg plugin thing or .. claws? in umm.. tails
22:39:05 <iceTwy> and I've picked GPG4usb on Linux
22:39:11 <iceTwy> Yup
22:39:12 <iceTwy> I will
22:39:26 <iceTwy> >GPG on GUI includes some email clients with GPG apps
22:39:31 <AnonO_o> initial keygen is always such a pain
22:39:32 <iceTwy> will include*
22:39:37 <iceTwy> eh ikr
22:39:39 <iceTwy> takes too long
22:39:40 <AnonO_o> and no one -ever- saves their .gnupg dir elsewhere
22:39:48 <AnonO_o> then wipes their drive and can't get their emails
22:40:03 <iceTwy> :p
22:40:11 <iceTwy> let's say that
22:40:14 <iceTwy> saving it is a bit risky
22:40:19 <AnonO_o> "print out your private key and public keys and store them safely"
22:40:26 <iceTwy> no
22:40:31 <AnonO_o> truecrypt?
22:40:32 <iceTwy> that defeats the whole purpose of GPG imo
22:40:38 <iceTwy> and TrueCrypt is 100% BS
22:40:43 <iceTwy> well, no, but
22:40:51 <iceTwy> not as if it was the ultimate solution out there
22:41:17 <AnonO_o> having a printed out version in your mom's safety deposit box is good :)
22:41:27 * iceTwy grins
22:41:57 <AnonO_o> but yes, guarding the private key is ... paramount. same with .ssh/
22:42:30 <AnonO_o> I bookmarked something a while back about being able to send people encrypted mail with your ssh keys
22:42:54 <AnonO_o> people were using.. lol.. finger.
22:44:31 <iceTwy> but think of it really
22:44:32 <iceTwy> some burglar gets into your house
22:44:32 <iceTwy> SOMEHOW manages to get your passphrase
22:44:32 <iceTwy> and your private key which would be on paper
22:44:32 <iceTwy> and boom
22:45:05 <AnonO_o> yes.. physical access always trumps
22:45:10 <AnonO_o> triumps
22:45:15 <AnonO_o> aklsdfj
22:45:36 <AnonO_o> $2 hammer will get any password.
22:47:12 <iceTwy> :p
22:48:39 <iceTwy> rofl, AnonO_o
22:48:40 <iceTwy> xkcd..
22:48:41 <iceTwy> <3
22:48:42 <iceTwy> https://xkcd.com/1239/
22:49:28 <AnonO_o> I love xkcd.. especially the mouse over
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23:03:45 <lady-3jane> lol rubber hose cryptography
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23:16:27 <iceTwy> wtfoh
23:16:31 <iceTwy> nooooooo
23:16:31 <iceTwy> :<
23:16:31 <iceTwy> http://gawker.com/taylor-swift-biggest-fan-contest-canceled-after-cree-880798075?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
23:16:42 <iceTwy> can't believe they cancelled it
23:18:16 <lady-3jane> I can, they hate 4chan
23:18:17 <lady-3jane> lol
23:18:45 <lady-3jane> I'm pissed they had a voting system which they allowed to be gamed so heavily
23:18:49 <iceTwy> well my reaction was ironic
23:18:50 <iceTwy> :p
23:18:55 <iceTwy> yeah lol well
23:18:59 <iceTwy> 4chan pwned 'em
23:19:05 <lady-3jane> heavily
23:19:06 <lady-3jane> also hi
23:19:09 <iceTwy> also hi
23:19:11 <iceTwy> :D
23:19:18 <iceTwy> but I'm 'bout to go to sleep because
23:19:23 <iceTwy> I might very well receive a package at 8AM
23:19:29 <iceTwy> and I need to be up to pick it up
23:19:31 <iceTwy> :<
23:19:53 <lady-3jane> :>
23:19:59 <iceTwy> hahah
23:20:00 <iceTwy> twitter
23:20:54 <lady-3jane> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Country
23:21:09 <lady-3jane> NP: [Avenged Sevenfold - Bat Country] [City Of Evil] [997kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
23:21:43 <iceTwy> but
23:23:13 <AnonyOps> hi guys
23:23:58 <lady-3jane> NP: [Garbage - Stupid Girl] [Garbage] [1034kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
23:24:56 <iceTwy> massively lol'd
23:24:56 <iceTwy> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/hey-kids-learn-to-be-cyber-smart-from-the-nsas-youth-page/
23:25:04 <AnonyOps> Any news on Joe?
23:26:19 <iceTwy> doing okay I hear
23:26:22 <iceTwy> also
23:26:28 <iceTwy> this bitcoin trust guy from 2012
23:26:32 <iceTwy> got massively pwn'd
23:26:32 <iceTwy> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/texas-man-raised-over-4-5m-in-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-feds-allege/
23:26:50 <iceTwy> seriously, now that Ars has catched up with Bitcoin stories lately
23:26:53 <iceTwy> it's become real good
23:27:24 <lady-3jane> I think things are still looking up for bitcoin
23:28:11 <iceTwy> definitely
23:29:01 <iceTwy> anyhow
23:29:03 <iceTwy> hittin' dat bed
23:29:08 <lady-3jane> dat bed
23:29:14 <lady-3jane> uunf
23:29:15 <iceTwy> plus I got a new pillow
23:29:19 <iceTwy> I'm sleepin' like a baby
23:29:28 <lady-3jane> HOW I MAKE BABBY
23:30:07 <iceTwy> well
23:30:09 <iceTwy> alright
23:30:12 <lady-3jane> NP: [Gary Jules - Mad World] [Trading Snakeoil For Wolftickets] [607kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
23:30:14 <iceTwy> go out and have a drink at sum bar
23:30:19 <iceTwy> hit up on some nice girl
23:30:28 <iceTwy> buy her a drink, blah blah
23:30:32 <lady-3jane> nice girl at a bar? haha you're funny
23:30:38 <iceTwy> hey I'm still dreaming
23:30:39 <iceTwy> can I not?
23:30:48 <lady-3jane> I dream, just not stupid ones
23:30:53 * lady-3jane kekekes
23:30:55 * iceTwy grins
23:31:10 <lady-3jane> you know, humans melding with the earth and all that
23:31:13 <iceTwy> or am I allowed to face the harsh reality and realize there's only 16yo stupid british chav girls in bars
23:31:19 <lady-3jane> or buildings that live
23:31:31 <iceTwy> well those are cool dreams
23:31:31 <iceTwy> lol
23:31:42 <lady-3jane> yes, and I may yet see them
23:32:45 <lady-3jane> NP: [Moby - Porcelain] [Play] [893kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
23:33:54 <iceTwy> ♪ NP @ iceTwy ♪ - Megadeth - Tornado of Souls - Rust In Peace (1990) // 3277kbps
23:33:58 <iceTwy> oh
23:33:59 <iceTwy> my favorite song
23:34:37 <iceTwy> right I've really got to go to sleep
23:34:44 <iceTwy> gon be a zombie tomorrow
23:34:47 <iceTwy> bye!
23:35:43 <lady-3jane> bye! sleep well :)
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