Cryto! 3 August 2014
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02:29:55 <dorotea> AH AH AH EXCITE
02:30:05 <dorotea> facebook added a "save" feature
02:30:09 <dorotea> NEWS READER: HARK
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05:04:05 <Hedg3> this you dorotea that added me to one of your lists on twitter?
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05:04:40 * Hedg3 slaps dorotea wanders off...
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05:05:35 <Hedg3> anyone else seeing this join/part flood shit or is it just my insecure connection?
05:05:52 <Hedg3> (yesh... aware)
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05:06:06 <Hedg3> ...
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05:27:17 <Hedg3> love me some passive agression
05:27:22 <Hedg3> givr'
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05:34:56 <Hedg3> LMAO
05:53:21 <dorotea> Hedg3:) wat
05:55:43 <Hedg3> LOL
05:55:55 <Hedg3> was that you ginger haired thing on twitter?
05:56:19 <Hedg3> or impersonating that ginger devil*
05:57:10 <Hedg3> dunno, but I blocked thinking it was gov troll added me to a list that I saw this ginger (you?) watching so yeah
05:57:13 <Hedg3> but HELLO.
05:57:16 <Hedg3> :)
05:57:43 <Hedg3> I need some more LSD brb
05:58:21 *** Hedg3 is now known as LunaElektra_
05:58:41 <dorotea> huh?
05:58:43 <LunaElektra_> if so, and that was you, don't do that again.
05:58:55 <dorotea> I may have added you, but you're not a news organization
05:58:59 <LunaElektra_> nm... think they*/ um busy with someone else
05:59:01 <dorotea> so it's unlikely you'd be put in a list
05:59:12 <LunaElektra_> no, I was on one
05:59:20 <LunaElektra_> that you were following if you're the ginger
05:59:29 <dorotea> I'm not a ginger, no
05:59:41 <LunaElektra_> oh I'm always some list of something
05:59:42 <dorotea> if you mean I have colored red hair, then yes that's my profile photo
05:59:47 <LunaElektra_> okay, problem solved then
05:59:53 <LunaElektra_> ?
06:00:04 <LunaElektra_> yeah, fuw off with the semantics
06:00:07 <LunaElektra_> ;)
06:00:27 <dorotea> one is derogatory, the other is not genetically redheaded or derogatory
06:00:31 <dorotea> >_>
06:00:35 <LunaElektra_> in your understanding
06:00:43 <LunaElektra_> I quite like redheads/ginger
06:00:59 <LunaElektra_> words/terms = ambigious [sic?]
06:01:06 <dorotea> I figure if I was a redhead I'd punch people if they called me a ginger
06:01:12 * dorotea shrugs
06:01:16 <LunaElektra_> LOL
06:01:31 <LunaElektra_> well then
06:01:34 <LunaElektra_> punch?\
06:01:37 <LunaElektra_> -'
06:01:40 <LunaElektra_> blah
06:01:53 <LunaElektra_> as it did follow sven
06:01:59 <dorotea> hmm, no, didn't add you to a list
06:02:01 <LunaElektra_> and responded, thought it was you
06:02:05 <LunaElektra_> I KNOW
06:02:09 <LunaElektra_> keep up~!
06:02:18 <LunaElektra_> but someone else did...
06:02:24 <LunaElektra_> and you followed the list
06:02:32 <LunaElektra_> of mostly infosec people
06:02:39 <dorotea> the only public list I have is news orgs, and iirc you didn't warrant addition to my private list of cool people
06:02:39 <dorotea> lol
06:02:43 <dorotea> probably
06:02:48 <dorotea> I'm on/follow tons of those
06:02:48 <LunaElektra_> O_O
06:02:53 <LunaElektra_> ADMIT IT!
06:02:55 <LunaElektra_> :)
06:03:15 <dorotea> I admit that I stopped maintaining a list of cool people
06:03:15 <dorotea> lol
06:03:29 <LunaElektra_> oh I was supposed offended.
06:03:36 <dorotea> my bad
06:03:38 <LunaElektra_> I admit I refuse to follow ugly dudes
06:03:40 <LunaElektra_> :)
06:03:46 <dorotea> I could say something offensive to make it better or something
06:03:47 <dorotea> lol
06:03:51 <LunaElektra_> or ones that act stupid with love games too
06:03:54 <LunaElektra_> ;)
06:04:02 <dorotea> Pretty sure I don't do that
06:04:13 <LunaElektra_> oh there's few out there that do that
06:04:18 <LunaElektra_> seriously
06:04:21 <LunaElektra_> try ewhoring
06:04:21 <dorotea> Though I suppose I'd flirt mercilessly with most people
06:04:24 <LunaElektra_> :)
06:04:33 <dorotea> cause really, there's no downside
06:05:01 <LunaElektra_> oh social engineering bullshit?
06:05:09 <LunaElektra_> I think you'd be REALLY bad at that.
06:05:12 <dorotea> worst case scenario I go to SF and have somebody to spend a night with... that's such a horrendous outcome and all
06:05:17 <dorotea> nah
06:05:28 <dorotea> I'm pretty honest, even when SE
06:05:34 <LunaElektra_> well you think that prolly cuz yer a dude
06:05:36 <LunaElektra_> brb
06:05:38 <dorotea> bad liar lol
06:05:51 <dorotea> idk what my gender has to do with it
06:06:05 <dorotea> I'm just a shitty liar *shrugs*
06:06:35 <LunaElektra_> no, that's the HFA :P
06:07:07 <LunaElektra_> shame to give out other pplz profile pics
06:07:08 <LunaElektra_> ;)
06:07:15 <LunaElektra_> or profiles etc
06:07:39 <LunaElektra_> right then
06:07:45 <LunaElektra_> onto next thing on agenda
06:07:49 * LunaElektra_ looks down list
06:07:52 <LunaElektra_> >:)
06:08:06 <LunaElektra_> nope, not on it...
06:08:28 <LunaElektra_> and I still fucking hate facebook
06:08:37 <dorotea> lol
06:08:55 <dorotea> I'm excited they're turning into a giant news distributor
06:09:12 <dorotea> I suppose I should be horrified/scared about the power that grants them, but it doesn't seem to matter anymore
06:10:37 <LunaElektra_> yeah weird eh?
06:11:01 <dorotea> yeah
06:11:05 <LunaElektra_> I dunno. I went back after years gone... and I bumped to my old life*
06:11:08 <dorotea> I mean, that's what I'm pissed about
06:11:09 <dorotea> lol
06:11:12 <LunaElektra_> er into
06:11:12 <dorotea> that it doesn't matter
06:11:24 <LunaElektra_> yep
06:11:27 <LunaElektra_> I hear you
06:11:35 <LunaElektra_> I posted the Facebook study on there
06:11:46 <LunaElektra_> one person looked at it... LMAO
06:11:49 <dorotea> lmao
06:11:55 <dorotea> so much interest
06:11:55 <dorotea> lol
06:12:09 <LunaElektra_> then info about the app listening in on their stand alone chat app
06:12:15 <LunaElektra_> = NOTHING.
06:12:23 <dorotea> haha
06:12:29 <LunaElektra_> ppl are like! oh but I use it?!
06:12:40 <dorotea> yeah and soon google now will be on everything, and shortly thereafter the mic will run all the time
06:12:41 <LunaElektra_> really, so do they! they can hear you, farting!
06:12:43 <LunaElektra_> etc. shit
06:12:49 <LunaElektra_> LOL
06:13:01 <dorotea> I like google now, but it's gonna get forced on everyone... and that's not good
06:13:07 <dorotea> `google now`
06:13:08 * LunaElektra_ quickly unistalls camera and mic O_O
06:13:14 <dorotea> haha
06:13:15 <dorotea> better
06:13:16 <LunaElektra_> I care less about them hearing me
06:13:25 <LunaElektra_> I just tape up my motherfucking cameras
06:13:26 <dorotea> google.com can listen and do `google now`
06:13:33 <LunaElektra_> spooky lil nsa toads O_O
06:13:42 <dorotea> idk go to google.com and say "OK Google" and see if shit happens
06:13:43 <dorotea> lol
06:13:52 <LunaElektra_> what if adapting shit is set on windows?
06:13:58 <LunaElektra_> o_O
06:13:59 * dorotea dunno
06:14:04 <dorotea> I run linux, no clue
06:14:05 <dorotea> lol
06:14:06 <LunaElektra_> oh well
06:14:19 <LunaElektra_> yes, I was supposed to get that going as an OS
06:14:26 <LunaElektra_> for a progam I'm doing
06:14:36 <LunaElektra_> whoops beer*
06:14:39 <LunaElektra_> program :)
06:14:47 <dorotea> for a beer you're doing
06:14:47 <dorotea> lol
06:14:48 <LunaElektra_> but it looks SCARY.
06:14:52 <LunaElektra_> LMAO
06:14:54 <LunaElektra_> SHH!
06:15:02 <LunaElektra_> the nsa are listening o_O
06:15:04 <LunaElektra_> :P
06:15:16 <LunaElektra_> asshole.
06:15:18 <dorotea> if you end up, for some fucking reason, in SF, hollar, I'll help you get it running and teach ya etc
06:15:19 <LunaElektra_> no.
06:15:20 <LunaElektra_> code crap
06:15:28 <LunaElektra_> what's sf?
06:15:31 <LunaElektra_> san fran?
06:15:32 <dorotea> san francisco
06:15:38 <dorotea> I don't live there, but it's close enough
06:15:39 <LunaElektra_> oh no, near to
06:15:43 <LunaElektra_> LOL
06:15:59 <dorotea> 4h of travel on public transit
06:16:02 <dorotea> not bad imo
06:16:03 <LunaElektra_> commute shit or telecommite
06:16:09 <LunaElektra_> whoa!
06:16:11 <LunaElektra_> seriously?
06:16:15 <LunaElektra_> some commute
06:16:15 <dorotea> yeah
06:16:19 <dorotea> nah haha
06:16:25 <dorotea> I sleep in the city when I go up
06:16:26 <LunaElektra_> telecomite! LOL
06:16:30 <dorotea> got like 3 or 4 places
06:16:36 <LunaElektra_> liar
06:16:42 <dorotea> not even a little
06:16:42 <LunaElektra_> on peoples couches
06:16:45 <dorotea> yep
06:16:52 <LunaElektra_> or some random millaionar'osadjf
06:17:00 <LunaElektra_> I gave up on that word
06:17:00 <dorotea> someday, not this day
06:17:01 <dorotea> lol
06:17:01 <LunaElektra_> :)
06:17:12 <LunaElektra_> ohhh
06:17:22 <LunaElektra_> like so the weird happy hacker dude?
06:17:29 <dorotea> sure why not
06:17:32 <dorotea> cept not a hacker
06:17:33 <LunaElektra_> LOL
06:17:40 <LunaElektra_> great
06:17:42 <LunaElektra_> NSA!
06:17:42 <dorotea> I can't self-identify as that, that violates being a hacker
06:17:43 <dorotea> :P
06:17:54 <LunaElektra_> as a hacker?
06:17:58 <dorotea> correct
06:18:10 <dorotea> that's a socially ascribed term
06:18:19 <LunaElektra_> oh so I hafta to identidfy as a hacker to be not known as one
06:18:25 * LunaElektra_ scribbles this down
06:18:27 <LunaElektra_> :P
06:18:31 <dorotea> lol
06:18:49 <LunaElektra_> or you're paid*
06:19:02 <dorotea> paid for what
06:19:06 <dorotea> I do everything for free
06:19:09 <LunaElektra_> not hacking*
06:19:17 <LunaElektra_> LOL
06:19:22 <dorotea> oh sure I'd love to get paid not to hack
06:19:27 <LunaElektra_> oh! porn
06:19:28 <LunaElektra_> :)
06:19:33 <dorotea> I'll just keep doing what I'm doing, and take money for doing it
06:19:35 <dorotea> most excellent
06:19:40 <LunaElektra_> LOL
06:19:45 <LunaElektra_> why not hack?
06:19:57 <LunaElektra_> and not get paid?
06:20:01 <dorotea> I'm uninterested in dealing with the law
06:20:12 * LunaElektra_ looks into heine bottleneck
06:20:25 <LunaElektra_> so you are!
06:20:31 <LunaElektra_> opposite land
06:20:49 <LunaElektra_> i don't think anyone is (not opposite land)
06:21:07 <dorotea> aye
06:21:11 <LunaElektra_> they're as creepy/sociopathic as the worst politico bandits
06:21:15 <dorotea> I wouldn't care if it were 20 years ago
06:21:35 <LunaElektra_> 20!
06:21:45 <dorotea> but the legal climate now has fully shifted prosecutorial incentives away from discretion being a good idea
06:21:46 <LunaElektra_> my gawd... thought you were in your 20's
06:21:54 <dorotea> I am :)
06:21:59 <LunaElektra_> LOL
06:22:09 <LunaElektra_> yeah... I would suck at that.
06:22:27 <LunaElektra_> dunno...
06:22:36 <dorotea> I'm young of course, but I try also to be useful with history. I'm not there yet, but working on it
06:22:36 <LunaElektra_> hear about the weirdo in ottawa
06:22:38 <LunaElektra_> WOW.
06:22:41 <LunaElektra_> just nuts.
06:22:51 <LunaElektra_> 12 years of harassment on people
06:22:56 <LunaElektra_> mind blown*
06:22:56 <dorotea> no idea
06:23:10 <LunaElektra_> look up Robert Campbell cyberstalking
06:23:14 <LunaElektra_> it's just nuts
06:23:24 <dorotea> I'mma go hang out with my roommates, I don't really care about people
06:23:25 <dorotea> lol
06:23:29 <dorotea> night :)
06:23:30 <LunaElektra_> overabundance of nuts
06:23:41 <LunaElektra_> 48 charges criminal harassment
06:23:58 <LunaElektra_> it just goes on, up about 200 charges to count now
06:24:01 <LunaElektra_> with pub. ban
06:24:11 <LunaElektra_> whacky.
06:24:33 <LunaElektra_> who devotes that much time to hate/and destruction online, someone pretty twisted and awful
06:25:02 <LunaElektra_> he was difficult because I guess he was using Tor with like messed up Pdigin/AnonTwi I dunno
06:25:05 <LunaElektra_> just whacky shit
06:25:18 <LunaElektra_> hiding his tracks carefully
06:25:27 <LunaElektra_> poor people affected :(
06:25:59 <LunaElektra_> 12 years of it... O_O
06:26:12 <LunaElektra_> Yes, it's HFA :P
06:28:39 <LunaElektra_> wow he's a bag full of giggles, ain't he...
06:28:48 <LunaElektra_> KEEP ME OFF YER FECKING LISTS... :)
06:43:35 <LunaElektra_> jerk...
06:58:22 <LunaElektra_> NITE! strange silent hacker people... :)
06:58:31 <LunaElektra_> with weird HFA
06:58:37 <LunaElektra_> but loved dearly*
06:58:39 <LunaElektra_> .)
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09:32:58 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $584.45, 1 BTC = €435.20
09:33:53 <Charles> is macbeth still active on anonnews channel??
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13:54:51 <guest1974> hoi
14:22:08 <guest1974> joepie are you dutch?
14:49:03 <guest1974> I guess
14:49:15 <guest1974> things would make more sense then
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14:56:40 <joepie91_> ...?
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18:39:13 <dorotea> sup iceTwy :>
18:40:37 <iceTwy> dorotea: annoyed
18:40:42 <iceTwy> I'm trying to setup Arch on my new laptop
18:40:47 <joepie91_> ohai iceTwy
18:40:48 <joepie91_> lol
18:40:51 <dorotea> lol
18:40:52 <iceTwy> I'm almost there, but of course systemd has to fuck up
18:40:56 <iceTwy> ..
18:40:57 * joepie91_ slow clap
18:41:03 <dorotea> do they ship a recent build of it?
18:41:07 <iceTwy> yes
18:41:07 <dorotea> like 213 or so
18:41:10 <iceTwy> the newestr
18:41:11 <joepie91_> "naaaah, Arch works fine, never had problems with it"
18:41:12 <joepie91_> :P
18:41:14 <iceTwy> newest*
18:41:14 <iceTwy> 215
18:41:17 <dorotea> (fucking debian ships 208)
18:41:26 * dorotea wants 213
18:41:33 <iceTwy> joepie91_: well on my desktop PCs no, but er, I have this bug
18:41:39 <iceTwy> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73942
18:41:41 <joepie91_> lol
18:41:42 <joepie91_> btw, iceTwy: Yahoo has actual customer support!
18:41:44 <iceTwy> which is NOT an Arch bug, joepie91_ ;)
18:41:53 <joepie91_> :P
18:42:01 <iceTwy> stupid systemd tho
18:42:04 <iceTwy> anyhow, Yahoo?
18:42:13 <dorotea> ye
18:42:16 <dorotea> yahoo
18:42:28 <joepie91_> yes
18:42:31 <dorotea> (finally, speaking in this channel!)
18:42:53 <joepie91_> iceTwy: ended up on a "pick your help topic" page, expected an FAQ maze like with Twitter, instead clicked "my topic is not in the list" on the second screen
18:42:56 <joepie91_> and got a contact form
18:43:00 <joepie91_> with a support response 2 hours later
18:43:17 <joepie91_> so eh, as far as large internet companies go, that's amazingly excellent
18:43:19 <joepie91_> lol
18:43:20 * dorotea tells reuters to hurry up
18:43:36 <iceTwy> eh
18:43:40 <iceTwy> you might have been lucky joepie91_ :P
18:44:01 <joepie91_> iceTwy: idk, compared to others (Google, Twitter, ...) it's amazing that they even *have* a contact form
18:44:05 <joepie91_> I mean, have you ever tried to contact Twitter or Google
18:44:07 <joepie91_> lol
18:44:09 <iceTwy> no
18:44:12 <iceTwy> lol
18:44:14 <iceTwy> actually yes for Google
18:44:16 <joepie91_> might as well write it on a post-it and throw it into the ocean
18:44:18 <iceTwy> they answered quickly enough
18:44:23 <joepie91_> iceTwy: how?
18:44:31 <joepie91_> because I've never been able to find contact details
18:44:32 <iceTwy> can't remember
18:44:33 <joepie91_> for Google
18:44:37 <iceTwy> it was something related to youtube
18:44:42 <joepie91_> and there's mostly non-response on the forums
18:44:48 <joepie91_> and their bugtrackers are basically a black hole
18:44:55 <iceTwy> oh yeah, the forums are a joke
18:45:37 <joepie91_> iceTwy: I think I filed a bug on the chromium bugtracker about breaking CSS mis-calculations
18:45:38 <joepie91_> like 2 years ago
18:45:42 <joepie91_> never got a response
18:45:55 <joepie91_> just none
18:46:24 <dorotea> It's fine, I reported a dmcrypt bug 3 years ago and it still hasn't been fixed
18:47:17 <joepie91_> dorotea: ironically, the bug I reported has been fixed
18:47:23 <joepie91_> but not through the bug report
18:47:33 <iceTwy> I fucking hate systemd
18:47:38 <iceTwy> grrr
18:47:39 <joepie91_> because hey, if you replace /the entire goddamn renderer/, chances are that your CSS rendering bugs go away
18:47:40 <joepie91_> lol
18:47:40 <iceTwy> sysv worked fucking fine
18:47:51 <dorotea> lulz
18:48:01 <dorotea> worked fine is not a very high bar
18:48:18 <iceTwy> well this is simple
18:48:23 * dorotea is excited about systemd, because replacing 40 year old systems can be good
18:48:29 <iceTwy> you can't even enter your fucking password for your encrypted partitions
18:48:35 <iceTwy> BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LET YOU
18:48:41 * dorotea shrugs
18:49:12 <dorotea> I don't encrypt anything for reasons like that -- the tools aren't, contrary to the people who write them, ready for use
18:49:25 <iceTwy> but that's fucking basic coding
18:49:32 <dorotea> correct
18:49:36 <dorotea> do you see why I don't use them?
18:49:37 <dorotea> :P
18:49:38 <iceTwy> :<
18:49:38 <joepie91_> btw
18:49:41 <joepie91_> dorotea: iceTwy: http://owely.com/817WIns
18:49:46 <joepie91_> I have a feeling this is going to end in tears
18:50:07 <dorotea> that's awesome
18:50:42 <dorotea> I'm happy he's being the one who takes all the shit for writing crypto in js
18:50:46 <joepie91_> the main issue being that he doesn't have a particularly good track record at "hey, you can do this in javascript!"
18:50:48 <dorotea> it has to be done and nobody wants to
18:50:57 <joepie91_> oh, sure
18:51:11 <joepie91_> but that doesn't take away that this probably *will* end in tears
18:51:13 <iceTwy> hm
18:51:14 <iceTwy> very interesting.
18:51:20 <dorotea> we can't write good crypto/js implementations until someone stands up and makes all the mistakes
18:51:23 <iceTwy> this how systemd works.
18:51:35 <iceTwy> 1: asks you to enter your / partition password (normal), works fine.
18:51:45 <joepie91_> honestly, JS isn't the best language for crypto
18:51:48 <joepie91_> (but neither is C)
18:52:07 <iceTwy> 2: asks you to enter your /home partition pw. then prints "A start job is running...", which repeats itself, so it doesn't let you input your PW.
18:52:19 <dorotea> the thing I'm looking at is this: js runs on everything. Soon, literally anything. If we want crypto on everything, crypto must run in js or be easily stapled into it
18:52:29 <iceTwy> 3: because of the lack of a password for /home, it redirects you to an emergency shell.
18:52:45 <iceTwy> Quits emergency shell automatically, repeat from #2 3 times.
18:52:55 <dorotea> best that crypto is built-in idiotproof functions with a small list of supported, tested ciphers
18:52:57 <iceTwy> Then finally lets you access an emergency shell, login as root
18:53:02 <joepie91_> iceTwy: "THAT'S NOT HOW YOU USE STDOUT, YOU MORON"
18:53:06 <iceTwy> AND THEN it finally fucking lets you write your /home password
18:53:09 <dorotea> none of this tls shit where there are 150 ciphers
18:53:12 <iceTwy> joepie91_: haha pretty much
18:54:05 <dorotea> this is so hot https://www.npmjs.org/package/p2pdht
18:54:25 <joepie91_> oh
18:54:27 <joepie91_> dorotea
18:54:32 <joepie91_> did I link you the peabody thing
18:54:36 <dorotea> yeap
18:54:47 <joepie91_> iceTwy: you might also like it actually
18:54:49 <joepie91_> https://www.npmjs.org/package/peabody
18:55:02 <joepie91_> a time machine proxy, basically
18:55:58 <iceTwy> I'll check that later, I'm a bit busy haha
18:57:42 <iceTwy> and obviously there are 366 people on #systemd but nobody answers
18:57:52 <iceTwy> grats systemd, you are the failure of all software
18:58:17 <joepie91_> lol
18:58:19 <joepie91_> also
18:58:19 <joepie91_> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/opinion/sunday/evgeny-morozov-facebooks-gateway-drug.html
18:58:22 <joepie91_> cc dorotea
18:58:54 <dorotea> iceTwy:) it's sunday, you dunce
18:59:03 <dorotea> nobody is online sundays
18:59:09 <iceTwy> I am
18:59:09 <iceTwy> you are
18:59:12 <iceTwy> joepie is
18:59:16 <iceTwy> uwotm8
18:59:21 <dorotea> we're nought of the 7 billion people on earth
19:00:03 <dorotea> also woot, going back to SF probably tuesday
19:00:33 <dorotea> joepie91_:) I'll read that in a bit, gotta work through the other tabs
19:00:40 <dorotea> sunday reads, after all
19:01:20 <dorotea> AH AH AH
19:01:29 <dorotea> .tw https://twitter.com/fak3r/status/492885150745632768
19:01:30 <botpie91> Blown away by the Streisand (http://bit.ly/1pmGjvN) project's capabilities. I now have an instance in Amsterdamn; tor, ssh, ssl + @ansible (@fak3r)
19:01:59 <iceTwy> seriously
19:02:00 <iceTwy> for once
19:02:05 <joepie91_> .tw https://twitter.com/kaepora/status/496006227059822592
19:02:06 <botpie91> “@FredericJacobs: Can we call Facebook's "http://Internet.org" digital colonialism? It sure looks like it. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/opinion/sunday/evgeny-morozov-facebooks-gateway-drug.html” (@kaepora)
19:02:07 <iceTwy> ubuntu > arch
19:02:15 * iceTwy sighs
19:02:21 <dorotea> yeah, that's what internet.org is
19:02:37 <dorotea> making fb the "internet" to the 3.5b people
19:02:54 <dorotea> I trust google more in this than fb
19:03:12 <dorotea> google will take data, but it doesn't appear to be captive-audience'ing people
19:03:15 <joepie91_> I trust neither
19:03:28 <joepie91_> they just do it differently
19:03:29 <dorotea> I give google all my data, I have to
19:03:36 <joepie91_> Google uses honey; Facebook mixes honey with vinegar
19:04:04 * iceTwy is frustrated
19:04:14 <dorotea> I'm just preparing for the dystopic future where I have to pick a side in the corporate drone wars
19:04:16 <iceTwy> FUCK
19:04:18 <iceTwy> :<
19:05:05 <dorotea> iceTwy:) at this point I just tell people to put the ubuntu LTS on their shit and focus on other problems
19:05:19 <iceTwy> but arch
19:05:22 <iceTwy> hng
19:05:29 <dorotea> I don't like arch, so I've got nothing for ya
19:05:30 <dorotea> lol
19:05:34 <iceTwy> and I don't want all of ubuntu's crap
19:05:40 <iceTwy> debian's old
19:05:41 <iceTwy> fedora also uses systemd
19:05:48 <dorotea> haha
19:05:50 <dorotea> old one
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19:06:21 <dorotea> I use debian testing (jessie) for that reason. I want only debian's crap (which consists primarily of kde, because that's what I'm using)
19:06:23 <iceTwy> well
19:06:41 <dorotea> kde is nice, and soon kde5 might even look good
19:06:55 <iceTwy> but debian testing isn't stable from my past experiences
19:07:03 <iceTwy> twice I had jessie fail on my ass
19:07:10 <iceTwy> never happened with Arch, hence why I prefer it to debian
19:07:25 <dorotea> maybe you should add detail to that, because I've only had one problem with testing so far and it was my fault
19:07:41 <iceTwy> that was a couple years ago, I can't remember what it was about
19:07:46 <dorotea> (I full-upgrade'd when I should have safe-upgrade'd)
19:08:03 <dorotea> broke my video, had to roll back
19:08:09 <dorotea> just took a few minutes
19:08:10 <dorotea> lol
19:08:46 <dorotea> I think I have systemd now
19:09:11 <dorotea> I had to rm sysvinit's package because an update round a few days ago had conflicts with it
19:09:45 <dorotea> it may still be sysvinit, because I wouldn't put it past debian to make a smooth transition by doing that
19:10:28 <dorotea> mmm
19:10:31 <dorotea> .title https://vimeo.com/97818762
19:10:32 <botpie91> dorotea: Mai Dhai Band - "Sarak Sarak" on Vimeo
19:14:03 <dorotea> .tw https://twitter.com/voraciousbrain/status/486566194309517312
19:14:04 <botpie91> Euclitean geometry is about that special corner of the triangle. (@voraciousbrain)
19:14:08 <dorotea> .tw https://twitter.com/voraciousbrain/status/486568302681260033
19:14:09 <botpie91> *makes a math joke about pussy * MY BRAND (@voraciousbrain)
19:15:14 <dorotea> she's a favorite writer
19:15:19 <joepie91_> iceTwy: suse, suse, suse...
19:15:24 <joepie91_> :P
19:15:36 <dorotea> I do admit that you're still the only person recommending suse
19:17:05 <dorotea> I appreciate that this is a thing: http://www.buzzfeed.com/tools/email/longform
19:17:16 <dorotea> YES, BUZZFEED, EMAIL ME ONCE A WEEK WITH YOUR BEST LONGFORM
19:17:30 <joepie91_> dorotea: you used 'best' and 'buzzfeed' in the same sentence
19:17:41 <dorotea> yep
19:18:04 <dorotea> longform, not listicles
19:18:06 <dorotea> :P
19:18:33 <dorotea> They're interesting, they mix listicles with good news
19:18:36 <dorotea> it's obnoxious
19:18:43 <dorotea> I can't actually recommend them for that reason
19:18:44 <dorotea> lol
19:22:45 <dorotea> oh man
19:22:47 <dorotea> .tw https://twitter.com/painted_eel/status/425333016701857792
19:22:48 <botpie91> nothing says "you're safe here, white people" like a big ass bowl of pine cones (@painted_eel)
19:28:44 <dorotea> of course there are people in gabon who are naturally immune to ebola
19:28:46 <dorotea> of course!
19:28:47 <dorotea> http://en.ird.fr/the-media-centre/scientific-newssheets/337-possible-natural-immunity-to-ebola
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19:46:18 <guest1974> hello
19:47:37 <joepie91_> ohai
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20:01:40 <iceTwy> seriously
20:01:48 <iceTwy> I'm going to go with something more laptop friendly
20:01:53 <iceTwy> fubuntu..
20:01:58 <joepie91_> iceTwy: suse! :P
20:02:04 <iceTwy> I don't like SuSE
20:02:08 <iceTwy> :P
20:02:10 <joepie91_> boo!
20:02:19 <joepie91_> it'd work, though :P
20:02:21 <iceTwy> not "boo"
20:02:27 <dorotea> yes boo
20:02:30 <iceTwy> it's your taste, not mine
20:02:32 <iceTwy> :D
20:02:33 <dorotea> you're rejecting working options
20:02:37 <dorotea> wtf dick
20:02:38 <dorotea> lol
20:02:40 <iceTwy> you haters
20:02:43 <iceTwy> :'-
20:02:49 <joepie91_> see above
20:02:52 <dorotea> yes, and I don't like/rec suse
20:03:13 <iceTwy> arch is perfect when you get it to work
20:03:14 <iceTwy> WHEN you get it to work
20:03:19 <iceTwy> sadfeys
20:03:22 * iceTwy sadfeys much
20:03:39 <dorotea> yeah fuck that
20:03:54 <joepie91_> iceTwy: install suse - if it turns out not to work, you can bother me about it forever
20:03:56 <dorotea> I want "usually works without active intervention on my part"
20:03:57 <joepie91_> but I'm pretty sure it will
20:03:58 <joepie91_> :P
20:04:15 <joepie91_> and I'd argue that "distro I don't like" is better than "distro that doesn't work"
20:04:20 <dorotea> I'm willing to redefine what I want from the OS/system if it fits that def
20:04:26 <iceTwy> I don't mind struggling to set up a distro
20:04:33 <iceTwy> AS LONG AS it's on my side
20:04:40 <iceTwy> and there's no bug with the underlying software
20:04:45 <joepie91_> lol
20:04:50 <iceTwy> systemd..
20:04:51 * iceTwy coughs
20:05:05 * dorotea shrugs
20:08:31 <joepie91_> ha
20:08:33 <joepie91_> http://terrygoodkind.ru/books/our-work/the-third-kingdom/
20:08:41 <joepie91_> aside from "whoo creative peoples using PDFy"
20:08:53 <joepie91_> that's a pretty good bit of evidence that PDFy now works on tiny embeds as wel
20:09:36 <iceTwy> .ru
20:09:39 <iceTwy> who
20:09:43 <iceTwy> the hell
20:10:00 <joepie91_> ?
20:10:59 <joepie91_> as far as I can tell
20:11:00 <joepie91_> that is a fan translation
20:11:04 <joepie91_> to Russian
20:11:11 <joepie91_> by Russians
20:11:15 <joepie91_> so I'm not sure what is so weird about the .ru
20:11:17 <joepie91_> :p
20:14:19 <iceTwy> I'd be too ashamed to use Ubuntu
20:14:23 <iceTwy> seriously
20:14:32 <iceTwy> dorotea: are you really saying jessie works fine
20:14:38 * joepie91_ takes iceTwy's pride and puts it in the fridge
20:14:47 <iceTwy> joepie91_: :|
20:15:20 <dorotea> joepie91_:) damn, that's a teeny embed, and it totally renders
20:15:26 <joepie91_> :D
20:15:30 <iceTwy> ubuntu would make everything so simple though
20:15:32 <iceTwy> :S
20:15:37 <joepie91_> and it shows the download button *and* the fullscreen button!
20:15:41 <iceTwy> insert the disk, and you've got an awesome installation GUI
20:15:48 <iceTwy> joepie91_: does Amir use Ubuntu btw? can't remember
20:15:55 <iceTwy> iirc he does
20:16:30 <joepie91_> iceTwy: yup
20:16:32 <joepie91_> with Unity
20:16:34 <joepie91_> :(
20:16:39 <dorotea> jessie requires about as much work to maintain as I'm willing to put in. If there are package conflict resolution messages I reject and safe-upgrade until they go away
20:16:42 <iceTwy> isn't there some way to disable Unity
20:16:43 <dorotea> that's about as much work as I'll do
20:16:44 <iceTwy> and use GTK2
20:16:48 <joepie91_> also, dorotea, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2cey3n/a_new_open_source_free_password_manager_is_this/cjfwyzk?context=8 < success!
20:16:52 <joepie91_> (the thread)
20:16:59 <iceTwy> wait
20:17:00 <joepie91_> iceTwy: xubuntu is a good start
20:17:01 <iceTwy> obviously!
20:17:02 <joepie91_> lol
20:17:02 <dorotea> stop linking to reddit, I will not allow it in my browser
20:17:06 <iceTwy> I was about to say that
20:17:14 <joepie91_> insofar ubuntu is ever good
20:17:18 <joepie91_> dorotea: wat
20:17:31 <dorotea> joepie91_:) It's been banned in my browser for months, not gonna whitelist
20:17:33 <iceTwy> I'd go for LXDE simply because I've been using it for a while
20:17:38 <iceTwy> and it runs extremely well
20:18:21 <iceTwy> well, fuck it. I'm going for Lubuntu
20:18:22 <joepie91_> does it even gtk
20:20:00 <iceTwy> yes it does
20:20:40 <dorotea> the system I had set up was i3wm + gnome utils
20:20:50 <dorotea> that worked pretty well, used almost no ram
20:21:01 <dorotea> but I don't care about that anymore because I got a 30% faster pc
20:21:03 <iceTwy> guh..
20:21:07 <dorotea> kde runs fine now, so I run it
20:21:14 <iceTwy> ubuntu doesn't have regular updates, does it
20:21:23 <dorotea> regular?
20:21:27 <dorotea> (define)
20:21:32 <iceTwy> I mean
20:21:34 <iceTwy> new versions
20:21:38 <iceTwy> i.e. not security updates
20:21:43 <dorotea> yep, every 6 months
20:21:52 <iceTwy> ah hell fuck no
20:21:52 <iceTwy> jessie it is!
20:22:06 <dorotea> jessie is about to stop having updates, if that's what you're on about
20:22:20 <dorotea> once 3.16 kernel is deployed, anyway
20:22:26 <dorotea> (we're on 3.14 now)
20:22:27 <iceTwy> are you kidding me
20:22:32 <iceTwy> where'd you get that from?
20:22:45 <dorotea> they picked 3.16 for when jessie stabilizes
20:22:52 <dorotea> and 3.16 golds soon
20:23:16 <iceTwy> fff
20:23:23 <iceTwy> what about unstable :>
20:23:26 <dorotea> that's not a very convincing argument, but I'll bet money it's correct
20:23:36 <dorotea> sid is very well named
20:23:43 <iceTwy> well considering 3.15 is already out..
20:23:46 <guest1974> still there and the or stuff I see
20:24:06 <joepie91_> iceTwy: you're looking for rolling updates?
20:24:07 <joepie91_> guest1974: ?
20:24:09 <dorotea> yeah, we're going from 3.14 to 3.16, as I've heard
20:24:19 <guest1974> the exercise today went ok
20:24:19 <iceTwy> joepie91_: yes I am
20:24:31 <dorotea> which goes well with the nvidia 3.40 drivers and xorg 1.16
20:24:31 <guest1974> I suppose
20:24:33 <iceTwy> tell me SuSE has rolling updates, I'll download it instantly
20:24:57 <joepie91_> opensuse tumbleweed
20:24:58 <joepie91_> :P
20:25:04 <joepie91_> http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
20:25:10 <joepie91_> The Tumbleweed project provides a rolling updates version of openSUSE containing the latest stable versions of all software instead of relying on rigid periodic release cycles. The project does this for users that want the newest, but stable software.
20:25:18 <dorotea> chrome is the only thing that needs to update (outside of security fixes) as far as I'm concerned
20:25:21 <dorotea> everything else can sit
20:25:23 <guest1974> joepie look at how many times you combine or ing in your sentences
20:25:47 <joepie91_> guest1974: what?
20:25:59 <guest1974> well
20:26:05 <iceTwy> joepie91_: I'll go for Gentoo
20:26:06 <iceTwy> HAHAHAHA.
20:26:20 * iceTwy wants to die
20:26:28 <guest1974> apparently this is the game
20:26:42 <joepie91_> guest1974: I have no clue what you're on about
20:26:45 <iceTwy> rpm is extremely weird though
20:26:58 <iceTwy> and no AUR
20:26:59 <joepie91_> iceTwy: it's a little painful to package, but works fine for installing
20:27:03 <joepie91_> software.opensuse.org
20:27:06 <joepie91_> equivalent of the AUR
20:27:11 <iceTwy> :>
20:27:12 <guest1974> me too
20:27:14 <joepie91_> just use the 1 click install
20:27:16 <joepie91_> the name is a lie
20:27:19 <joepie91_> because it takes more clicks
20:27:24 <joepie91_> but it'll autoconfigure the repo and packages etc
20:27:43 <guest1974> are you Dutch joepie?
20:27:45 <joepie91_> it's pretty much a metadata file that specifies the repos *and* packages to install
20:27:54 <joepie91_> guest1974: yes...
20:28:13 <guest1974> i live in zwolle
20:28:40 <dorotea> mmm, yeah jessie is on 3.14.13, just behind 3.14.15
20:29:04 <dorotea> but we don't even ship new kernels until at least xx.xx.3 or 4
20:32:18 <joepie91_> iceTwy: sidenote
20:32:20 <joepie91_> " If you don't know how to compile your own additional kernel modules and you don't wish to learn or keep a very close eye on what is being updated, please don't use Tumbleweed."
20:32:30 <joepie91_> so, the usual rolling release disclaimer
20:34:36 <dorotea> (reasons I don't do rolling release, except that technically jessie is rolling release. har har.)
20:34:59 <dorotea> use `testing` instead of `jessie`, $profit
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20:57:37 <iceTwy> I should just go for one big partition
20:57:38 <iceTwy> cause fuck it
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21:00:03 <joepie91_> lol
21:18:55 <dorotea> mmm, trucker eggs
21:32:08 <joepie91_> eggs
21:32:09 <joepie91_> gimme
21:32:21 <iceTwy_znc> woah holy crap
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21:32:26 <iceTwy_znc> I just got to use an USB 3.0 key
21:32:28 <iceTwy_znc> it's FAST
21:38:04 <dorotea> lol
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21:47:37 <dorotea> joepie91_:) colonialism indeed http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/opinion/sunday/evgeny-morozov-facebooks-gateway-drug.html?_r=0
21:48:00 <dorotea> It's just another example of the patronizing nature with which we treat everyone else
22:11:27 <iceTwy_znc> so I reinstalled Arch with a single encrypted partition
22:11:32 <iceTwy_znc> no more /home partition
22:11:39 <iceTwy_znc> even though I'd have liked to have it but..
22:11:42 <iceTwy_znc> well, at least, Arch works now
22:16:21 <iceTwy_znc> but obviously X doesn't
22:16:24 <iceTwy_znc> time to dig into that
22:16:28 * iceTwy_znc yawns
22:17:19 <joepie91_> lol
22:17:47 <iceTwy_znc> ah, driver issues
22:19:50 <iceTwy_znc> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
22:19:53 <iceTwy_znc> IT
22:19:56 <iceTwy_znc> WORKS
22:26:27 * joepie91_ waits 30 minutes, in anticipation of the inevitable "oh, fuck, nope, $thing is still broken"
22:26:42 <iceTwy_znc> no, because I'll be asleep in 30 mins
22:26:44 <iceTwy_znc> :)
22:26:52 * joepie91_ waits a day
22:27:17 <iceTwy_znc> yes, that
22:27:19 <iceTwy_znc> :p
22:27:23 <joepie91_> :P
22:49:19 <dorotea> AH
22:49:19 <dorotea> the pro-marijuana ad campaign leafly's running is "Just say know."
22:49:55 <dorotea> This is such excite
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