Cryto! 7 March 2014

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00:26:35 <dorotea> MK_FG:) perception is reality, duh
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02:23:46 <dorotea> fucking love geopolitics
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04:38:37 <MK_FG> dorotea, Hell is after death, are you implying "perception" exists then? ;)
04:46:23 <dorotea> hey fuck you asshole inhabiting the universe of forms
04:46:26 <dorotea> MK_FG:) ^
04:48:17 <MK_FG> Well, I can get why things that virtual things people are talking about can/do be considered "existing", but with hell, and especially to "burn" there, it seem to be insufficient :P
05:08:43 <dorotea> I suppose we'd have to determine if it was endo or exothermic and such
05:09:09 <dorotea>
05:09:12 <dorotea> .title
05:09:13 <botpie91> dorotea: M.I.A. - "Bring The Noize" (Official Video) - YouTube
05:11:06 <MK_FG> Exothermic... wat? ;)
05:11:25 <dorotea> :0
05:11:35 <dorotea> also
05:11:37 <dorotea> .title
05:11:38 <botpie91> dorotea: Skrillex - First of the year [GOAT EDITION] - YouTube
05:11:48 <dorotea> :3
05:15:03 <dorotea> .title
05:15:04 <botpie91> dorotea: Lorde - Royals (US Version) - YouTube
08:28:40 <joepie91> <iceTwy>[00:42:06] MK_FG, Xeross, joepie91: if Bitcoin exchanges are going to fail like MtGox did (and for some reason, my pinky tells me they will), then everyone will get to trade BTC over-the-counter/IRL
08:28:47 <joepie91> doubtful; there appear to be some competent players
08:30:03 <joepie91> ElectRo`: the nakamoto story is just amazing, and not in a good way
08:32:37 <Xeross> joepie91: Let's call someone out that potentially has 10s of millions of USD in bitcoins, that will end well
08:32:55 <Xeross> Even worse is that newsweek is behind a paywall too, bunch of money grabbing bastards
08:35:12 <joepie91> ah, so I'm not the only one getting a paywall
08:36:35 <Xeross> joepie91: somehow I already read 5 of their articles
08:36:39 <Xeross> So now they want 10USD a month.
08:36:42 <joepie91> btw, Xeross,
08:36:45 <joepie91> yeah
08:36:48 <joepie91> it told me that as well
08:36:52 <joepie91> I _never_ read newsweek
08:36:56 <joepie91> so evidently their paywal is broken
08:37:06 <joepie91> did you also notice that it has an intentionally frustrating 5 second delay?
08:37:10 <joepie91> look at the cookie identifier lol
08:37:23 <Xeross> at least it loads again now
08:37:27 <Xeross> yesterday they gave me a blank screen
08:37:35 <joepie91> Xeross: you need to wait 5 secs
08:37:39 <joepie91> after 5 secs it meta-redirects you
08:37:40 <joepie91> to paywall
08:37:43 <Xeross> Why do I get a blank screen for 5 seconds D:
08:37:45 <Xeross> The hell
08:37:48 <joepie91> that's an intentional redirect
08:37:52 <joepie91> moment :P
08:38:09 <joepie91> Xeross:
08:38:11 <Xeross> intrusiveTimer, lol
08:38:12 <joepie91> if you needed any more reason to hate them..
08:38:21 <joepie91> so yeah :P
08:39:05 <Xeross> Lol
08:39:15 <Xeross> the noscript tag, has a meta redirect
08:39:17 <Xeross> that only takes 1 second
08:39:19 <Xeross> instead of 5
08:39:36 <joepie91> Xeross: there are two redirects.
08:39:43 <joepie91> one is 1 sec
08:39:44 <joepie91> the other is 5 secs
08:39:49 <joepie91> they redirect to different URLs
08:39:54 <joepie91> I have nfi wtf they're trying to do
08:39:57 <joepie91> but it's clearly not working
08:39:58 <joepie91> lol
08:40:06 <joepie91> they need some competent webdevs...
08:40:15 <Xeross> Well the noscript one wants the (piano) D.
08:40:21 <Xeross> The regular one doesn't want the D
08:40:23 <joepie91> hehe
08:40:31 <joepie91> the "piano" thing made me wonder
08:41:04 <joepie91> lol
08:41:06 <joepie91> Xeross:
08:41:32 <joepie91> Xeross: I hope this guy sues the living shit out of newsweek
08:44:14 <Xeross> joepie91: He'll probably just want it to go away, though if a lawyer offers their services for free
08:44:21 <Xeross> That might make it interesting
08:44:48 <joepie91> Xeross: now I'm absolutely not an expert at legal stuff in the US, but from my point of view this seems like virtually a freebie for a pro bono lawyer
08:45:13 <joepie91> (also,
08:46:23 <Xeross> I really don't think the fall off Empty Gox and various others is a bad thing.
08:46:41 <joepie91> Xeross: empty gox? def not a bad thing
08:46:47 <joepie91> if anything, it should've happened 2 years ago
08:46:54 <joepie91> less people would've been hurt in the process
08:46:55 <Xeross> joepie91: If anything people should've bailed years ago
08:47:20 <joepie91> yes, but as we can see that didn't happen :P
08:47:23 <joepie91> or well
08:47:23 <joepie91> not enough
08:47:30 <Xeross> Mhm
08:48:27 <Xeross> Though with these exchanges getting hacked left and right, Empty Gox possibly being an elaborate scam, etc. I'm expecting the exchange landscape to drastically improve.
08:48:40 <Xeross> The suicides of various exchange founders is kind of worrying though
08:49:58 <joepie91> Xeross: wait, suicides? what?
08:50:30 <Xeross> joepie91: 2 so far
08:50:36 <Xeross> 1 in singapore, well a suspected suicide
08:50:39 <joepie91> Xeross: links?
08:51:01 <Xeross> joepie91:
08:51:08 <Xeross> joepie91: first thought was Karpeles, because also 28yo
08:51:41 <joepie91> wtf, how'd I miss that
08:52:28 <joepie91> Xeross; and the second?
08:53:06 <Xeross> joepie91: I'm trying to find it, thought there was 2, but might just be the same one being reported a gazillion times
08:54:17 <Xeross> I guess it was just one
08:55:18 <MK_FG> +1 for paywall, ff says I haven't visited newsweek too
08:57:10 <Xeross> joepie91: So keep it at 1 for now.
08:57:14 <MK_FG> I'm 28, good thing I didn't found any btc exchange :P
08:57:51 <Xeross> But likely unrelated to the exchange, which seems more like an exchange for IMVU/Second Life <-> real word currencies
08:57:53 <Xeross> world*
08:57:57 <Xeross> Happens to accept bitcoin
08:57:58 <joepie91> MK_FG: you're not in Singapore though
08:58:07 <joepie91> Xeross: right
08:58:13 <joepie91> Xeross; that's what Virwox is though
08:58:18 <joepie91> linden exchange
08:58:22 <joepie91> but they were one of the first to get into BTC
08:58:33 <MK_FG> I suspect suicide rates might spike in general for people approaching 30s
08:58:57 <MK_FG> There's that "I didn't accomplish anything useful!" crisis 27-30 iirc
08:59:31 <Xeross> After reading the article on Falkvinge's website with regards to Magic the Takening Online Exchange, pretty convinced Karpeles can afford a luxury life now >_>
08:59:55 <joepie91> MK_FG: midlife crisis? except an early one
09:00:07 <MK_FG> Dunno if same thing
09:00:21 <MK_FG> I thought midlife was 40s?
09:00:48 <Xeross> Yeah
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09:04:34 <joepie91> MK_FG: hence "except an early one" :)
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09:10:50 <MK_FG> Googling gives mixed results, says that "We’ve all heard of the mid-life crisis which is a different beast to the 30 crisis", but somewhere it says what you say - same thing, just early
09:12:51 <joepie91> MK_FG: half-defined phenomenon, I suppose
09:12:58 <joepie91> give it a year or two, and the internet will reach a conclusive definition
09:12:59 <joepie91> ;)
09:14:32 <MK_FG> Yep, someone will write it to wikipedia THUS MAKING IT SO
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09:38:34 <multihate> Hi anons
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09:40:08 <joepie91> multihate: wrong channel.
09:43:03 <Xeross> joepie91:
09:43:05 <Xeross> THat's a lot of coins
09:47:06 <multihate> no anons here I c
09:47:16 <multihate> hi joepie
09:50:00 <multihate> macbeth has been around lately?
09:51:19 <joepie91> multihate: haven't particularly noticed him being around
09:51:25 <joepie91> but I've not been on IRC a lot lately
09:51:38 <joepie91> Xeross: ya
09:54:09 <multihate> he made some strange moves before he disappeared
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16:34:43 <jwa> herro
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16:38:57 <joepie91> ohai jwa
16:39:05 <jwa> i'm doing crypto stuff
16:39:09 <jwa> fun times
16:39:14 <joepie91> also, wtf, paypal limited my account again, "to check if somebody else might've had access to your account"
16:39:21 <joepie91> and asking me to add a creditcard _again_
16:39:27 <jwa> lmao
16:39:32 <joepie91> I don't know what makes them think that I have a creditcard now, when I didn't the last time this happened
16:39:39 <joepie91> and ofc customer service closed like 40 mins ago
16:40:32 <joepie91> actually, 1 hour and 10 mins ago
16:42:56 <jwa> hahaha. I had a good time with amazon's customer support last **sunday**
16:43:04 <jwa> also joepie91
16:43:29 <joepie91> jwa: paypal NL customer service is good, but their site is shite, and the opening hours are meh
16:43:34 <joepie91> and will look later
16:43:34 <joepie91> busy nao
16:43:44 <joepie91> just got distracted by paypal email popup
16:44:08 <jwa> still much to do but trying to get some sort of zero knowledge thing going without using js crypto :P
17:26:12 <dorotea> oh god, fighting with @onekade on twitter
17:26:28 <dorotea> it's too early for this shit
17:26:30 <dorotea> lmfao
17:29:27 <jwa> dorotea: who is that, dude looks weird
17:30:56 <dorotea> he's uh
17:31:06 <dorotea> I think he works for the ACLU or something
17:31:10 <dorotea> or the NAACP
17:31:13 <dorotea> one of those two
17:31:14 <dorotea> sec
17:31:56 <dorotea> aclu indeed
17:32:27 <dorotea> Kade Crockford is the name
17:32:32 * dorotea always forgets
17:32:44 <dorotea>
17:32:51 <dorotea> but ye
17:33:01 <jwa> heh
17:33:11 <jwa> aw yiss, redshift time
17:33:37 <dorotea> like many other people I think s/he gets caught in the current-problems frame too much
17:34:02 <dorotea> which makes it harder to recognize what is a fundamentally new problem and what is an old problem with a new veneer
17:38:45 <dorotea> wow. woooooow. The Independent is blocking me from accessing their HOMEPAGE
17:38:55 <dorotea> trying to upsell/paywall
17:38:58 <dorotea> what in the hell
17:39:12 * dorotea removes them from all news sources
17:39:38 <jwa> it's the new era of POPUP;DR
17:40:07 <dorotea> I curate news lists and shit, so paywalls like that are an instaban
17:40:17 <jwa> oh yeah
17:40:19 <jwa> nice
17:40:23 <dorotea> they're directly counter to an informed society
17:40:27 <jwa> even forbes is doing this shit
17:40:29 <dorotea> I'd be fine if they JUST CHARGED
17:40:45 <dorotea> no homepage or nothing, just a charge form and whatever
17:40:52 <dorotea> nsfwcorp did that, and it was awesome
17:40:57 <jwa> wat
17:41:06 * jwa isn't up to speed
17:41:07 <dorotea> they unlocked articles for like 24 hours so you could be teased by the reporting
17:41:09 <dorotea> it was beautiful
17:41:34 <dorotea> pando bought them and they're all open now
17:41:37 <dorotea> which is awesome
17:42:03 <dorotea> that's also why pando has been in the "news" more, because the guy who ran nsfwcorp is an asshole and isn't afraid to be such
17:42:22 <dorotea> anyway
17:42:45 <dorotea> jwa:) sorry, I like track news industry shits because bad changes have a significant detrimental effect on people being able to be informed
17:42:56 <dorotea> :P
17:43:06 <jwa> nothing wrong with that
17:43:48 <dorotea> It's mostly a fascination with seeing the new-digital publications succeed
17:43:58 <jwa> you also happen to know something about crypto?
17:44:09 <dorotea> depends on what area
17:44:29 <dorotea> generally no, but I'm quite familiar with crypto in tls (by necessity)
17:44:49 <jwa> yeah no, i'm fiddling with some sort of zero knowledge site
17:44:56 <dorotea> neat
17:44:57 <jwa> at least trying to
17:45:25 <dorotea> heh
17:45:37 <dorotea> just using an identifier for logins or what
17:45:46 <jwa> now I need to switch from pure asymmetric encryption to generating a random key to use with symmetric encryption to circumvent the size limitations you run into with RSA
17:45:56 <jwa> nah
17:46:10 <dorotea> my favorite is shit inside hyperboria, because your IP is based on your pubkey, so you can use the IP for basic authentication
17:46:33 <jwa> ..dafuq
17:46:36 <dorotea> yeah
17:46:38 <jwa> that doesn;t sound good
17:46:40 <dorotea> it's fucking awesome
17:46:48 <dorotea> it is, it's a basic property of the system
17:47:05 <dorotea> every data you send is encrypted to the recipient too
17:47:08 <jwa> I don't get it
17:47:14 <dorotea> public key crypto for data over the wire
17:47:49 <jwa> hmm
17:47:51 <dorotea> it's an experiment, but hey
17:47:53 <jwa> i see
17:48:01 <dorotea> can't know if it works well until somebody tries it
17:48:02 <jwa> reinventing the internets
17:48:04 <dorotea> seems to work well
17:48:15 <jwa> yeah the thing with humans is
17:48:17 <dorotea> scaling is the thing being figured out right now
17:48:24 <jwa> they all think the same way
17:48:31 <dorotea> not really
17:48:40 <jwa> "well im not trying this because nobody else is using it"
17:48:45 <jwa> this ^^^
17:48:49 <jwa> I hate it
17:48:50 <dorotea> oh
17:48:52 <jwa> so much
17:48:53 <dorotea> that's just
17:48:55 <dorotea> yeah no
17:48:56 <dorotea> fuck that
17:48:56 <dorotea> lol
17:49:04 <jwa> if everyone thinks exactly that way how the fuck do they think will ever change anything
17:49:17 <jwa> ofc we here are different <3 :P
17:49:46 <jwa> I like how they immediately show my an archlinux installation guide
17:49:50 <joepie91> my personal favourite is "why would I not try to make a buck off it? how does it being unethical matter? everybody does this shit"
17:50:08 <dorotea> herd mentality of ethics what
17:50:14 <joepie91> dorotea: daily basis.
17:50:20 <dorotea> serious?
17:50:22 <dorotea> that sucks
17:50:23 <joepie91> yes
17:50:26 <joepie91> serious
17:50:33 <joepie91> you'd be amazed how many people reason like this
17:50:37 <joepie91> once you query them about it
17:50:50 <dorotea> hmm
17:50:51 <joepie91> it's just not something that people usually go around blurting out to random people
17:50:53 <dorotea> icky
17:51:09 <jwa> my sub-apprentice always steals from our snack box
17:51:30 <joepie91> jwa: how has he not lost his status of sub-apprentice yet
17:51:41 <dorotea> I've been thinking recently that I'll probably want some sort of evangelism job, but only if I can find one that's actually in the public interests
17:51:46 <jwa> i'm not his supervisor, just a year above him
17:51:51 <dorotea> like it'd be badass if somebody paid me to get everyone on tls
17:52:00 <jwa> he thinks it's totally okay because it's only a few bucks every time
17:52:20 <jwa> guess what the honest old man who runs the snack box has repeatedly reported more than 200 bucks every month
17:52:24 <dorotea> pay me to build a knowledgebase for deploying tls and shit
17:52:26 <dorotea> that'd be sexy
17:52:26 * joepie91 mumbles something about awful DRM on DVDs
17:52:34 <joepie91> dorotea: ARccOS is the devil
17:52:42 <dorotea> ew
17:52:44 <dorotea> what is that
17:52:52 <jwa> my site doesn't respond to ssl
17:53:07 <joepie91> dorotea: DVD DRM
17:53:08 <joepie91> from Sony
17:53:08 <dorotea> I only remember uh CSS
17:53:13 <joepie91> so it works about as well as you'd expect
17:53:17 <dorotea> haha
17:53:34 <dorotea> jwa:) make it work perfectly via ssl, even if you only use a self-signed cert
17:53:35 <joepie91> it's a fucking pain in the ass to make images, and you need proprietary Windows-only software to do so
17:53:44 <joepie91> but it doesn't prevent copying physically
17:53:53 <joepie91> it also doesn't play correctly in all DVD players
17:53:56 <joepie91> let alone media players
17:54:04 <joepie91> and was eventually given up because of those problems
17:54:06 <jwa> dorotea: only responds to tls
17:54:07 <dorotea> what :|
17:54:17 <joepie91> and it seems to be the standard DRM on all of the ex-rentals on my DVD stack
17:54:20 <joepie91>
17:54:26 <joepie91> this is really annoying
17:54:35 <joepie91> even ddrescue can't make anything sensible out of it...
17:54:48 <dorotea> jwa:) is that a work site or something? my personal site responds to both, but it's a 301 and a hsts when you get there
17:54:52 <joepie91> dorotea: basically, intentional sector corruption, counting on DVD players skipping over it
17:55:08 <joepie91> of course, any sector-based imaging application will roll over and die
17:55:11 <jwa> dorotea: my personal site
17:55:12 <dorotea> weird
17:55:18 <dorotea> ugly drm is ugly
17:55:24 <joepie91> yes, it's fucking awful
17:55:27 <joepie91> :|
17:55:47 * joepie91 cancels and puts in other DVD
17:56:00 <jwa> stupid hypemachine, every song is louder than the previous one wtf
17:56:08 <jwa> joepie91: oy you wanted to have a look at my fiddling? :P
17:56:14 <joepie91> ?
17:56:18 <jwa>
17:56:24 <dorotea> in his voluminous free time
17:56:25 <joepie91> later :P
17:56:27 * dorotea grins
17:56:28 <jwa> :(
17:56:30 <joepie91> where "later" is "probably on sunday or something"
17:56:34 <jwa> dorotea: you don't like my hsts?
17:56:38 <joepie91> because that's the soonest moment I don't have anything planned :P
17:56:45 <dorotea> jwa:) do I not? where did I say that
17:57:02 <jwa> your line sounded a bit weird/concerned heh
17:57:12 <joepie91> yay, water-damaged DVD!
17:57:16 <jwa> “but it's a 301 and a hsts when you get there”
17:57:28 <joepie91> let's see what happens
17:57:37 <dorotea> excellent! csp++
17:57:43 <dorotea> jwa:) no
17:57:46 <jwa> wait
17:57:49 <jwa> sorry
17:57:51 <jwa> my bad I got that confused
17:57:53 <dorotea> :)
17:57:56 <dorotea> s'cool!
17:58:06 <jwa> I configured nginx to only use tls, not ssl
17:58:06 <dorotea> charity++
17:58:29 <dorotea> sts for a year looks like
17:58:36 <jwa> the csp was a bitch to get working with google fonts heh
17:58:41 <dorotea> heh
17:58:49 <dorotea> I left mine psuedo-open
17:58:54 <jwa> dorotea: it gets me the '+' on my A+ on qualys ssl test :P
17:58:58 <dorotea> default-src https:;
17:59:18 <jwa> lmao. I guess that's what HSTS would be there for
17:59:28 <jwa> I also enabled HSTS on our recently launched startup page
17:59:32 <dorotea> which is funny, because that allows twitter widgets and most other shit to work fine
17:59:32 <jwa> because I can
17:59:39 <dorotea> but facebook like buttons cannot operate that way
17:59:48 <jwa> dorotea: I hardly have anything like that on my site, hehehe
17:59:49 <dorotea> you have to enable unsafe-eval for facebook like buttons to load
17:59:53 <dorotea> it's HILARIOUS
17:59:58 <jwa> well don't then
18:00:01 <jwa> fuck fb
18:00:02 <dorotea> I don't :D
18:00:15 <dorotea> if their code can't work in such an already-permissive environment, fuckem
18:00:16 <dorotea> lol
18:00:17 <jwa> not literally mind you
18:00:29 <jwa> anyway
18:00:52 <joepie91> dorotea,
18:00:56 <joepie91> new
18:00:59 <joepie91> though still work in progress
18:01:05 <joepie91> until I figure out how the fuck to get around arccos
18:01:09 <jwa> need to find a proper way to save an asymmetric encrypted key in the same content as the aes content it secures
18:01:22 <dorotea> so ugly joepie91 :(
18:01:28 <joepie91> dorotea: wat
18:01:47 <dorotea> the code is pretty, but what it does is ugly
18:01:59 <joepie91> code isn't really pretty, just readable
18:02:01 <joepie91> and what it does is...
18:02:04 <joepie91> well, ugly in some places
18:02:06 <joepie91> not so much in others
18:02:07 <joepie91> lol
18:02:11 <dorotea> :P
18:02:17 <joepie91> the cdrdao bit is basically just a reconstruction in Python of what Brasero does
18:02:25 <joepie91> (I actually looked at Brasero source for that)
18:02:46 * dorotea giggles
18:02:52 <joepie91> also, TIL: Audio-DVD is a real, existing thing
18:03:02 <dorotea> really :D
18:03:04 <joepie91> I don't have any of those to test with, though
18:03:06 <joepie91> yup, really
18:03:11 <jwa> why..
18:03:12 <joepie91> wikipedia has a bit about it
18:03:19 <joepie91> has an AUDIO_TS folder but not VIDEO_TS
18:03:21 <jwa> next up: Audio-Blurays?
18:03:25 * dorotea nods
18:03:25 <joepie91> (which is exactly how detects it)
18:03:46 <dorotea> hmm
18:03:49 <joepie91> jwa: I would not be surprised
18:03:49 <joepie91> lol
18:03:53 <dorotea> maybe this weekend I will build my analytics receptacle
18:03:58 <joepie91> oooooo
18:04:02 <joepie91> getting real, genuine read errors
18:04:04 <joepie91> on a DVD
18:04:06 * dorotea pew pew
18:04:08 <joepie91> the water damage DVD
18:04:13 <dorotea> mm
18:04:25 <jwa> put some skin lotion on it
18:04:25 <joepie91> still not a bad result though:
18:04:29 <jwa> heard it works wonders
18:04:31 <joepie91> jwa: wat
18:04:43 <dorotea> different kind of damage
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18:05:02 <dorotea> hmm
18:05:06 * joepie91 will just wait for his Monoprice disc repair thingie to arrive, although doubtful if it handles water damage
18:05:10 <dorotea> I also need to rewrite google's analytics snippet
18:05:14 <dorotea> so I can read their code
18:05:53 <dorotea> lol everyone minifies code and I'm making it bigger so I can read it in production
18:05:54 <dorotea> lulz
18:06:10 <joepie91> dorotea: lol'd:
18:06:24 <dorotea> YEAH
18:06:26 <dorotea> IT'S EXTREME
18:07:34 <dorotea> wow, yeah
18:07:36 <dorotea> extreme indeed
18:07:55 <dorotea> I love the "well, you've got nothing more to lose" type solutions
18:08:02 <joepie91> haha
18:08:10 <joepie91> dorotea: I have a few fairly extreme repair methodologies
18:08:20 <joepie91> one of them involves whiteboard marker and stickers..
18:08:27 <dorotea> :3
18:08:36 <joepie91> (for fixing foil damage)
18:08:46 * dorotea nods
18:09:21 <dorotea> hmm
18:09:30 <dorotea> do I really have to load the bold version of a google font? :|
18:09:45 <dorotea> apparently the font I'm using is such that the browser can't bold it correctly
18:10:03 <dorotea> hmm
18:10:08 <dorotea> works on linux but not mac
18:10:10 <dorotea> fascinating
18:10:22 <joepie91> THAT'S BECAUSE WINDOWS SU- oh, wait, you said mac?
18:10:33 <dorotea> yeah, I don't have windows
18:10:38 <dorotea> has a mac and a linux
18:10:42 <jwa> dorotea: browsers never bold correctly it's hideous 99% of the time
18:10:46 <dorotea> I know
18:10:58 <dorotea> but I just needed the bold effect, it's not in a title
18:11:02 <dorotea> doesn't have to look pristine
18:11:17 <jwa> well then load the bold version?
18:11:27 <joepie91> inb4 size argument
18:11:30 <dorotea> another 45ms load time? hell no, we won't go
18:12:42 <dorotea> dude the reason I want to build my own analytics product is because the ones that exist are slow
18:12:49 * dorotea grins
18:13:12 <dorotea> also apparently my tabs were using a webfont that wasn't linked in my stylesheets
18:13:13 <dorotea> made me lol
18:13:18 * dorotea rm'd that shit
18:14:20 <dorotea> hmm
18:14:26 <dorotea> sans-serif for tabs and menus?
18:14:28 <dorotea> I THINK YES
18:14:58 <dorotea> also, I'm that asshole who doesn't have a development version of their css anymore, I just edit the minified one
18:15:05 <joepie91>
18:15:16 <joepie91> I like how Microsoft makes fun of their own errors/notifications
18:15:17 <joepie91> lol
18:15:56 <joepie91> funnier: "The event is not an immediate, direct result of users' current interaction with Microsoft(r) Windows(r) or your application."
18:16:09 <dorotea> :3
18:16:13 <joepie91> (elsewhere in these docs, they state that you shouldn't unnecessarily use (c) (tm) and other formal marks)
18:16:31 <dorotea> oh yeah that's right
18:16:35 <dorotea> I have to fix my menu buttons
18:16:48 <dorotea> I discovered a small bug with them that nobody will ever notice
18:16:51 <dorotea> but it's going to bug the shit out of me
18:17:10 <joepie91>
18:17:13 <joepie91> .title
18:17:14 <botpie91> joepie91: How the Military Uses Twitter Sock Puppets to Control Debate and Suppress Dissent — Medium
18:17:22 <dorotea> excellent
18:17:40 <joepie91> only took them three years to report on barrett's thing!
18:17:43 <dorotea> I'll have to read that later, except that I read all of barret's shit about it
18:17:45 <dorotea> hahahaha
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18:20:03 <dorotea> OH WAIT I DON'T HAVE TO CLEAR MY TABS
18:20:06 <dorotea> I CAN JUST LAUNCH A NEW WINDOW
18:20:07 <dorotea> AMAZING
18:20:17 <dorotea> fucking browsers how do they work
18:20:23 <joepie91> today in #crytocc: dorotea discovers multi-window operating systems
18:20:28 <joepie91> :D
18:20:32 <dorotea> :D
18:20:42 <dorotea> I really don't use computers that way, haha
18:20:50 <dorotea> all fullscreen all the time
18:21:15 <dorotea> that's why i3wm was so sexy
18:21:36 <dorotea> I pretty much had it pin everything fullscreen and each thing was autorouted to its own workspace on launch
18:21:47 <dorotea> so sexy
18:22:22 <dorotea> hmm
18:22:27 <dorotea> IT'S A SINGLE PIXEL PROBLEM
18:22:29 <dorotea> WHY DO I CARE
18:23:40 <joepie91> !!!!!!
18:23:41 <joepie91>
18:23:42 <joepie91> how did I miss this
18:24:25 <dorotea> idk
18:24:44 <dorotea> the defense submitted that paper and the prosecutor dropped it <24h later
18:25:12 <dorotea> so now he's down to being charged with the actually problematic shit he may have done
18:25:13 <dorotea> :)
18:25:25 <dorotea> (threatening officers and such, always a bad idea)
18:25:55 <joepie91> I still think it's ridiculous that "threatening an officer" is somehow treated differently from "threatening anybody else"
18:26:18 <dorotea> it isn't
18:26:26 <dorotea> you're not allowed to threaten other people either
18:26:49 <dorotea> but of course the state will always prosecute, whereas other people probably won't
18:27:14 <dorotea> we've got a fetish for cops in this here nation
18:27:16 <dorotea> idk why
18:27:58 <dorotea> obama put somebody up for a position recently and the senate shot the nomination down because the person had, in their private capacity as a lawyer, defended someone who shot a cop
18:28:49 <dorotea> that is something that isn't supposed to happen if we keep to our system's base assumptions
18:29:10 <dorotea> which is that everyone is presumed innocent. but we don't presume that anymore
18:31:43 <dorotea> oh holy fuck
18:31:45 <dorotea> that's cool
18:32:01 <dorotea> so I've got code commented out in my css file, and chrome puts it into devtools anyway. disabled by default.
18:32:04 <dorotea> that's so fucking sweet.
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18:44:24 <dorotea> NP: [Bon Jovi - Bad Medicine] [Cross Road] [290kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.1
18:44:35 <dorotea> nice.
18:44:38 <dorotea> nice nice nice
18:47:54 <dorotea> heh, bugs
18:47:55 <joepie91> brief power outage
18:48:03 <dorotea> :<
18:48:07 <joepie91> housemate to blame
18:48:08 <joepie91> :p
18:48:11 <dorotea> haha
18:48:12 <joepie91> lamp shorted out
18:48:22 <joepie91> everything went out in stages, really weird
18:48:34 <joepie91> I realized "oh fuck power going out" before my shit even actually went out
18:48:35 <joepie91> :p
18:49:00 <dorotea> EXCELLENT
18:49:05 <joepie91> guess I'm used to everything going down at once
18:49:05 <dorotea> hacks layered upon hacks!
18:49:13 <joepie91> (had frequent outages in another place where I lived)
18:49:16 <dorotea> css#winning
18:49:27 <joepie91> (due to... well, total lack of internal wiring, really, so the entire house was on a single group / extension block)
18:49:33 <dorotea> oh dear
18:49:37 <dorotea> I remember that
18:49:38 <dorotea> haha
18:49:45 <joepie91> or well the internal wiring was there
18:49:53 <joepie91> but I could've had a very long BBQ, had I tried to use that
18:49:56 <joepie91> :P
18:50:08 <joepie91> giant fire hazard
18:50:29 <joepie91> you know it's bad when layered power strips and extension cords on a single group, are less fire-hazardous than the internal wiring
18:51:17 <dorotea> that's pretty bad
18:51:34 * joepie91 restarts dev environment
18:51:54 <dorotea> so excellent. my css now does every single experimental page I ever wrote
18:52:47 <dorotea> except the one that was written entirely in bootstrap
18:53:24 <joepie91> bootstrap: screwing compability, one element at a time
18:53:27 <joepie91> :D
18:54:33 <dorotea> yeah basically
18:54:57 <dorotea> it's my "if you want a completely self-contained framework and you're happy to use only their system for code" recommendation
18:55:24 <dorotea> I ripped their buttons tho, cause I like em
18:55:29 <dorotea> :3
18:56:46 <joepie91> suddenly, there was light
18:57:07 <joepie91> broken lamp replaced
18:57:27 <joepie91> .tr :nl :en lampfitting
18:57:28 <botpie91> joepie91: "lamp socket" (nl to en,
18:57:34 <joepie91> right
18:57:37 <joepie91> I had one of those laying around
18:57:38 <joepie91> :D
18:58:17 <dorotea> yeah
18:58:38 <dorotea> that term makes sense in english haha
19:01:58 <dorotea> hmmhmm
19:02:20 * dorotea slowly closes dwolla account and moves to btc for donations (not that anyone has /ever/ donated)
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20:15:08 <jwa> oy, wut just happened
20:22:19 <dorotea> maybe if you gave some detail... >_>
20:33:01 <lysobit>
20:40:13 <dorotea> hahaha so many tulips
20:57:40 <jwa> uh oh
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21:12:49 <jwa1> uh oh?
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21:14:02 <dorotea> you keep saying that and I wonder why
21:14:13 <dorotea> internet is internet, is sometimes unstable
21:14:13 <dorotea> >_>
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21:14:35 <jwa> right
21:14:50 * jwa hates his isp
21:15:32 <dorotea> I tolerate the instability of mine because they provide native ipv6
21:18:02 <jwa> i doubt mine even knows what that is
21:29:14 <jwa> so
21:29:16 <jwa> joepie91:
21:31:13 <joepie91> jwa: hm?
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21:31:42 <jwa> is just so happens that something encrypted with PKCS1_OAEP always has the same size depending on the publickey right?
21:31:52 <joepie91> no idea, I am not a crypto expert :P
21:31:55 <jwa> darn
21:32:03 * jwa doesn't want to shoot himself in the foot
21:32:05 <joepie91> still have to learn more about it
21:32:07 <joepie91> but can't find the time
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21:38:04 <dorotea> MK_FG:)
21:38:09 <dorotea> .title
21:38:12 <botpie91> dorotea: The markets are punishing Russia more swiftly than diplomats ever could – Quartz
21:38:31 <monod> everyone trying to show whose's the biggest penis
21:39:29 <dorotea> benefits of multipolarity: nobody tops the list
21:40:06 <dorotea> I should go reread my paper I wrote on 2030
21:40:16 <dorotea> I can't remember if I thought russia would be a power
21:40:38 <dorotea> iirc it was us, eu, india, china
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21:45:34 <dorotea> probably brazil tbh
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21:55:28 <dorotea> I always forget isn't reachable. is though
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22:04:07 <jwa> sweet it worked
22:04:20 <jwa> dorotea: it's a common scheme among .gov sites
22:04:23 <jwa> even nasa does it
22:06:56 <dorotea> huh
22:08:27 <dorotea> NP: [AC/DC - Problem Child] [Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheep (Austrailia LP)] [264kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.1
22:09:06 <jwa> generating a 8192bit key takes 7 seconds with pycrypto
22:09:09 <jwa> wee
22:10:35 <dorotea> haha. 46% of my followers where twtrland can identify their location are in washingtondc or newyork
22:10:38 <dorotea> fucking lulz
22:10:58 <dorotea> fucking east coasters
22:11:07 <jwa> hory shit time flies
22:12:50 * dorotea spins
22:13:18 <jwa>
22:13:24 <jwa> this wasn't so hard
22:23:02 <dorotea> I was in class yesterday and I was asked for an answer to a question, and I said "hold on I wrote it down" and the teacher goes "yeah, and you've probably got 5 sites open too just for the one topic... and probably twitter too"
22:23:10 <dorotea> "What, you haven't met my wife?"
22:23:34 <dorotea> entire class busts up
22:23:37 <dorotea> 'twas excellent
22:28:53 <jwa> oooooh
22:29:10 <jwa> I think I might end up getting a raspberry pi after all
22:32:09 <joepie91> jwa: what are you going to do with it? :P
22:32:23 <jwa>
22:32:27 <jwa> looks fun
22:32:31 <jwa> for two main reasons
22:32:51 <jwa> 1. my car only has radio and cd, not even tape so that's still better than burning so many CDs
22:32:59 <jwa> 2. overwriting NRJ Zurich
22:33:29 * dorotea grins
22:34:06 <jwa> just putting it to max power and looping rick astley on 100.9 MHz would be interesting
22:34:35 <jwa> even better
22:34:41 <jwa> in store radios
22:35:02 <jwa> but hardly any stores have that they're usually wired :(
22:36:57 <dorotea> :P
22:37:43 <dorotea> hahahaha oh fuck yeah
22:38:03 <jwa> wondering how long a normal battery pack lasts with this
22:38:16 <jwa> guess I can get a car charger for that
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22:38:20 <dorotea> I LOVE IT when people don't make their supposedly-protocol-relative widgets actually protocol relative through and through
22:38:26 <dorotea> 90% of the widget: blocked
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22:40:50 <dorotea> oh man
22:40:57 <dorotea> and they're 503'ing due to capacity issues
22:40:59 <dorotea> I LOVE IT
22:41:14 * dorotea pees on
22:41:26 <dorotea> OG facebook, pretty much
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23:13:07 <iceTwy> zomfg
23:13:09 <iceTwy> zooooooooomfg
23:13:15 <iceTwy> LaTeX is so amazing and beautiful
23:13:21 <dorotea> :P
23:13:27 <iceTwy> been messing with it for the past couple of nights
23:13:30 <dorotea> learning curve like mount everest, but yeah
23:13:35 <iceTwy> definitely yeah
23:13:43 <iceTwy> though I'm better off learning it now
23:13:55 <iceTwy> because I have enough time to do so. I won't next year
23:13:57 * dorotea consolidates social accounts they weren't aware existed
23:14:16 <dorotea> apparently I had two accounts :O
23:15:00 <iceTwy> o.o
23:15:03 <iceTwy> GIEF
23:15:15 <dorotea> hmm?
23:15:44 <dorotea> the line "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" I can never spell soldier right the first time
23:15:55 <dorotea> I always want to type souldier or soulja
23:15:56 <dorotea> haha
23:16:32 <dorotea> because, no lie, I got soul but I'm not a soulja is most appropriate
23:16:45 <iceTwy> haha
23:16:50 <dorotea> EXCELLENT
23:16:51 <dorotea> NP: [Apollo 440 - Electronic Civil Disobedience] [Dude Descending A Staircase] [258kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.1
23:16:56 <dorotea> best song
23:17:33 <dorotea>
23:17:34 <dorotea> .title
23:17:35 <botpie91> dorotea: Apollo 440 - Electronic Civil Disobedience - YouTube
23:18:00 <dorotea> this is what I listen to when I see ddos
23:18:05 <dorotea> just so you know
23:20:07 <dorotea> and this is like the saddest song I know
23:20:08 <dorotea> NP: [Sonata Arctica - Replica] [Ecliptica] [262kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.1
23:21:15 <dorotea> I think there was a cake song that was similar too
23:21:19 <dorotea> about shellshock
23:23:34 <dorotea> awh now I'm depressed
23:23:36 <dorotea> why did I do that
23:23:37 <dorotea> :|
23:23:52 <dorotea> this should help
23:23:53 <dorotea> NP: [The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Voodoo Child (Slight Return)] [Electric Ladyland] [269kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.1
23:24:12 <dorotea> I stand by the mountain, chop it down with the edge of my haaaaaand
23:25:49 <dorotea> oh man
23:25:53 <dorotea> "Vim comes with ready-made tools to format HTML, CSS, Javascript, Node.js, C++ and more. What happens when you suddenly need to pivot and create the next $19 billion phone number database messaging service? Boom. Vim supports Erlang."
23:26:19 <dorotea> phone number database is line-through'd
23:26:57 <dorotea>
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23:35:25 <dorotea> hahaha
23:35:42 <dorotea> I shouldn't be, but I am continually impressed with how quickly comment sections go downhill
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23:42:13 <dorotea> loggy, pointer?
23:42:13 <loggy>
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