Cryto! 1 March 2014
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00:25:28 <dorotea> joepie91:) huh, did you know they actually update purecss?
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02:25:08 <dorotea> joepie91:) what is your license for your css on your blog? wtfpl?
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04:22:06 <dorotea> It's fun to go back through my old projects to see what I've written
04:22:16 <dorotea> fucking webcode man
04:23:16 <dorotea> my main project was to have a base style that I could layer functionality onto, by adding another css
04:23:28 <dorotea> two years later, and some refinement, it's built into my main css
04:26:33 <dorotea> idk lol, I fixed purecss's responsive grid system
04:34:18 <MK_FG> How do you test responsive stuff btw?
04:35:03 <MK_FG> Didn't look into it myself, but might need to soon due to needing to test custom NetworkManager webui for mobiles
04:35:07 <dorotea> ...with a browser?
04:35:47 <MK_FG> Hmm
04:36:40 <dorotea> ff has great tools for it
04:37:21 <MK_FG> I thought there's more tricky simulation needed to accurately model proper device screens, but indeed, maybe not...
04:38:19 <MK_FG> Oh, it has the thing in F12 too
04:38:24 <MK_FG> Neat
04:38:53 <dorotea> probably, but if you're building it in a web view a browser is mostly sufficient
04:39:03 <dorotea> (sorry on phone)\
04:39:20 <MK_FG> I wonder if one can simulate touchscreen (and its limitations) there somehow too...
04:40:00 <MK_FG> Hm, yeah, finger button does that ;)
04:40:07 <MK_FG> NOW I KNOW HOW \o/
04:40:23 <MK_FG> dorotea, Thanks for pointing at ff!
04:42:43 <dorotea> there we go
04:42:51 <dorotea> MK_FG:) !yes!
04:42:56 <dorotea> ff has amazing responsive utils
04:43:10 <dorotea> and the pullapart view (looks like a 3d block) is great as well
04:44:00 <dorotea> probably can't do good touchscreen simulation (as in, touch /interface/) without some device or another, but any asshole with a smartphone and 5 minutes can be your guinea pig for that
04:44:40 <dorotea> also google pagespeed insights does basic ux testing for mobile devices (checking that buttons aren't too small, for example) if you run it through that
04:45:02 <dorotea> I pretty much do most of my code writing halfway between sublimetext and chrome/ff devtools :)
04:45:11 <dorotea> MK_FG:) ^
04:45:31 <MK_FG> Thanks for teh tips
04:45:35 <dorotea> :)
04:47:07 <dorotea> also chrome's frame is quite thin, so you can drag the window around to see if breakpoints are in bad places
04:48:19 <dorotea> if I can get ff to respond... :|
04:48:23 * dorotea shoots
04:48:42 <dorotea> oh
04:49:23 <dorotea> MK_FG:) if you ctrl+shift+i in firefox, the inspector goes by what you select. so you keycombo and then click where you want as it outlines elements under your mouse
04:49:25 <dorotea> very nifty
04:49:42 <dorotea> it updates the outline based on hover
04:50:27 <MK_FG> Hmm, shouldn't it be Ctrl+Shift+C?
04:50:39 <dorotea> no, I for inspect
04:50:39 <MK_FG> That seem to be "pick a thing" hotkey I use
04:50:58 <dorotea> I've never used a ctrl+shift+c hotkey
04:51:42 <dorotea> ctrl+shift+{r,t,u,i}
04:52:01 <dorotea> though sometimes r and/or u don't work depending on browser
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04:52:53 <MK_FG> Hmm, "I" seem to be just toggling the thing, might happen to open "inspect" tab, but if you press it after "K" (console), then it acts just like F12
04:53:23 <dorotea> yes
04:53:30 <MK_FG> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts-perform-firefox-tasks-quickly#w_tools seem to list it as F12 alternative
04:53:50 <dorotea> yes, but when it opens you can hover your mouse to select elements
04:54:34 <dorotea> it's just neat
04:54:34 <dorotea> lol
04:54:37 <MK_FG> Well, no, that's what "C" does, not "I"!
04:54:50 <dorotea> not for me
04:54:54 <MK_FG> Weird
04:54:55 <dorotea> C does nothing for me
04:55:00 <dorotea> unbound combo
04:55:05 <MK_FG> Ctrl+Shift+C?
04:55:11 <dorotea> correct
04:55:19 <MK_FG> Even weirder!
04:55:41 <dorotea> ctrl+shift+r is my most used, cache cleared refresh
04:55:43 <MK_FG> Though I have pre-29 ff, maybe too old :P
04:55:51 <dorotea> I'm on esr
04:55:54 <dorotea> debian lol
04:55:58 <MK_FG> Oh
04:56:11 <dorotea> (had to revert, unstable was... unstable heh)
04:56:13 <MK_FG> Yeah, I think these keys worked differently in ye olde days
04:56:34 <MK_FG> Stale Debian is like time capsule :P
04:56:50 <dorotea> turns out running hybrid testing/unstable/ubuntu latest is difficult
04:57:04 <dorotea> :3
04:57:28 <MK_FG> Heh, as a debian non-user I think I've found that out on some prod servers one day ;)
04:57:46 <MK_FG> ABI dep hell ;(
04:57:47 <dorotea> :3
04:58:16 <MK_FG> +1 for ff unstable btw, 29 aurora just flat-out hangs on start for me (probably addons, but wtf...)
04:58:18 <dorotea> It was actually fine until I updated the kernel before nvidia was ready to ship a compatible configure script
04:58:31 <dorotea> yeah
04:58:56 <dorotea> I've had very longstanding issues with ff's stability (that had improved as of late, tbh), and I only have 4 addons
04:59:04 <MK_FG> Actually it's addons 100%, I think it started fine with clean profile
04:59:25 <dorotea> abp, pdfjs, spdy indicator and twitter address bar search
04:59:44 <dorotea> and that last addon is the one thing that's missing from chrome
04:59:55 <MK_FG> You're missing out on lots of great stuff then! ;)
05:00:00 <dorotea> why in gods name can't I type @handleOnTwitter and get their page? :|
05:00:00 <MK_FG> Addons are awesum
05:00:10 <dorotea> I usually hate them
05:00:14 <dorotea> they noticeably slow down the browser
05:00:41 <dorotea> or they inject requests into the page, which is equally obnoxious
05:01:09 <MK_FG> But still awesum
05:01:35 <dorotea> I'm more interested in speed than any other feature
05:01:55 <dorotea> I use chrome with I think zero addons
05:02:24 <dorotea> I think I *just* added the bitly extension to try it out
05:02:48 <dorotea> otherwise, I have spdy indicator (haha) and pagespeed insights (superfluous)
05:03:33 <dorotea> I only actually have abp in firefox because if I don't it crashes
05:03:43 <MK_FG> I wonder if I'm not interested in speed because it's kinda always-crap for me anyways
05:03:45 <dorotea> apparently I'm over the average for cookies and history
05:04:01 <dorotea> ahh
05:04:10 <dorotea> what's slow? hardware or internet?
05:04:10 <MK_FG> Due to not being USSAian, so just ping to most web stuff is 200-250ms
05:04:17 <dorotea> ahh
05:04:25 <dorotea> so you use tor every day! :D
05:04:29 * dorotea giggles
05:04:49 <MK_FG> So once you grow up and get used to slowness, you just don't care anymoar :P
05:04:55 <dorotea> (that was my experience with tor. very high latency, excellent throughput)
05:05:02 * dorotea nods
05:05:23 <dorotea> I push everyone to run spdy or quic because it suits my need for speed
05:05:23 <dorotea> :3
05:05:32 <dorotea> also why I fight people who use jquery for everything
05:05:43 <dorotea> or put 7 ad networks and 22 tracking scripts
05:06:01 <dorotea> I'm thinking of people in .ru or anyone who qualifies as afnic
05:06:11 <MK_FG> You're flat-out evil person if you push people to use DOM apis ;)
05:06:30 <MK_FG> Like, a Bond villain
05:06:31 <dorotea> dude I ran into implementation quirks before I even had working javascript
05:06:37 <dorotea> I know their pain
05:06:38 <MK_FG> With white cat and all
05:07:06 <dorotea> You can't even use the timing api in firefox because it's so assbackwards implemented
05:07:31 <dorotea> chrome of course is easy as fuck and by noncomment has refused to change to ff/IE's way of doing it
05:07:32 <dorotea> lol
05:08:11 <dorotea> (because seriously why would you not represent it as an object? I can just stringify and SHIP DAT SHIT)
05:13:34 <dorotea> or like t1 = performance.timing.whatever; and start my calculations
05:13:45 <dorotea> shit fucking simple
05:16:37 <MK_FG> Moar jQuery wrappers then
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05:26:43 <dorotea> lol
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12:17:14 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add CSS3_Syntax', '02Update c.jsonAdd CSS3_Syntax to the correct location (alphabetical order).', '02Merge pull request #2887 from y0ssar1an/masterAdd CSS3_Syntax again' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/24d4ee30dd...bfd8eef05d)
12:35:58 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03CSScheme on branch 10master: '02Add "foreground" to allowed style list values', '02Prepare v0.2.1 release' (https://github.com/FichteFoll/CSScheme/compare/fd3588a8f9...b6a023aef0)
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14:34:35 <monod> hi
14:35:33 <monod> I'd really like to know that AnonnewsGuest better
14:35:50 <monod> nvm.
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17:19:11 <botpie91> 04musalbas made 1 commit(s) to 03jPhone on branch 10master: '02m' (https://github.com/musalbas/jPhone/compare/8fb077f016...57b7c42684)
17:23:42 <botpie91> 04musalbas made 0 commit(s) to 03jPhone on branch 10master: (https://github.com/musalbas/jPhone/compare/57b7c42684...fc93f9644f)
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21:34:22 <Silence105_> hello?
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21:42:36 <dorotea> YES HELLO!
21:42:51 <dorotea> Perhaps you should wait more than 44 seconds
22:56:19 <pzuraq> yo
23:08:49 <dorotea> yes hello pzuraq
23:37:01 <pzuraq> how's life dorotea?
23:38:46 <pzuraq> Anyone ever use Elementary OS?
23:38:50 <pzuraq> I wanna try it
23:40:27 <dorotea> pzuraq:) pretty good :)
23:40:43 <dorotea> I finally ate, so I'm doing better haha
23:49:21 <pzuraq> nice, Imma eat carnitas later
23:49:35 <pzuraq> dude have you seen Elementary OS?