Cryto! 22 February 2014
00:00:05 <iceTwy> what, ZNC?
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00:00:55 <lysobit> the max playback for ZNC is 500 afaik
00:01:12 <lysobit> which is at least what it lets me set through the web interface
00:01:27 <iceTwy> fair enough
00:10:01 <iceTwy> joepie91: so if I quit a channel while I'm logged in as my ZNC client
00:10:26 <iceTwy> it will stop logging/caring about that channel altogether?
00:10:44 <joepie91> iceTwy; if you part a channel, it will part you
00:10:47 <joepie91> if you disconnect, it will stay connected
00:10:52 <joepie91> and stay in the channel
00:10:58 <iceTwy> ah ok
00:11:10 <iceTwy> yeah I'll part from #bitcoin on freenode, no need to log that
00:12:19 <iceTwy> seriously though, znc is quite amazing
00:13:02 <iceTwy_znc> let me try stickychan
00:13:10 <iceTwy_znc> oh right, that's effective lol
00:13:54 <lysobit> stickychan is invasive imo
00:14:28 <lysobit> i think it's useful for clients which /part all channels before it disconnects
00:14:33 <lysobit> like pidgin
00:15:23 <lysobit> but otherwise makes it unnecessarily hard to part chans
00:15:53 <iceTwy_znc> lysobit: that's why I'm not setting it on all chans
00:15:56 <iceTwy_znc> just a couple of vital ones
00:16:29 <lysobit> but why? there's no need, as long as you don't trust yourself to not accidentally part the channel
00:16:47 <iceTwy> and I don't trust myself with that sort of stuff
00:16:47 <lysobit> as long as you trust* (double negative)
00:16:51 <lysobit> lol ok
00:16:52 <iceTwy> ;)
00:17:11 <iceTwy> it can just happen, y know
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00:27:41 <monod> gotta go sleep!
00:27:45 <monod> uhm
00:28:07 <monod> no tiredness(???) but 1 am :(
00:28:09 <monod> :/*
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02:04:55 <iceTwy> still there joepie91?
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05:10:26 <slap> iceTwy_znc: !!!!!!!!!!!!
05:22:00 * slap slaps joepie91 around a bit with a large fishbot
05:22:09 <slap> sup
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05:58:54 <MK_FG> iceTwy_znc, "so if I quit a channel while I'm logged in as my ZNC client" <--- there's /detach too
05:59:24 <MK_FG> So it won't shove you into channel, but will keep buffering/logging its messages
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09:57:12 <iceTwy> thanks MK_FG
10:05:07 <iceTwy> joepie91: I'm just starting to appreciate the awesomeness of ZNC :D
10:05:20 <joepie91> iceTwy: yay
10:06:20 <iceTwy> it's really great cause it enables me to have some history on ongoing discussions in a chan
10:06:30 <iceTwy> if I join right in the middle of those said discussions
10:06:43 <iceTwy> also I've configured weechat liek a boss
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10:08:39 <monod> hello everyone!
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12:04:52 <iceTwy> fucking OpenVZ, god
12:04:57 <iceTwy> filled with fucking bugs
12:12:26 <iceTwy> joepie91: ping
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12:37:56 <crytoweb366> hmn
12:37:59 <crytoweb366> hm *
12:38:19 <crytoweb366> (this is joepie91 here, but somebody reported that atheme is down and I don't want to start my entire IRC client)
12:39:43 * crytoweb366 blinks
12:40:04 <crytoweb366> right, netsplit incoming
12:40:44 <suller> good local time crytocc
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13:13:37 <iceTwy> okay.. I lol'd
13:13:43 <iceTwy> https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/21114/weirdest-way-to-produce-a-stack-overflow => 2nd answer
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13:33:52 <crytoweb366> alright
13:33:53 <crytoweb366> problem resolved
13:33:59 <crytoweb366> sorry for the chaos, guys
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14:41:22 <DrWhat> joepie91
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15:06:28 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add varnish VCL syntax highlighting plugin', '02Merge pull request #2865 from brandonwamboldt/varnish_vclAdd varnish VCL syntax highlighting plugin' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/bc4d0cfd11...f1f6467189)
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16:34:53 <Charles> .bitcoin
16:34:54 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $586.99, 1 BTC = €426.42
16:35:55 <Charles> botpie91, tell Riddler Good Day !
16:35:55 <botpie91> Charles: I'll pass that on when Riddler is around.
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17:04:30 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03CSScheme on branch 10master: '02Add ST2 compatability', '02Remove useless files that somehow slipped through' (https://github.com/FichteFoll/CSScheme/compare/eddea9a548...9c2e473944)
17:05:31 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03sublime_packages on branch 10master: '02alphabetize', '02Add CSScheme' (https://github.com/FichteFoll/sublime_packages/compare/bb3342a617...e15abdbb84)
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17:33:27 <complex> dorotea: hello
17:36:43 <dorotea> complex:) hello
17:36:44 <botpie91> dorotea: 21 Feb 21:54Z <joepie91> ask dorotea what the change is that he made to the donate button
17:39:42 <dorotea> joepie91:) did you look at the code? >_>
17:40:05 <dorotea> joepie91:) I liked the bitcoin button to the getting started page, instead of having two split link regions to the same thing
17:40:24 <dorotea> s/liked/linked
17:40:55 <joepie91> ahh, like the old one then
17:40:55 <joepie91> :p
17:41:00 <joepie91> kinda
17:41:06 <joepie91> and I didn't look at the code, no
17:41:37 <complex> is it just me or is freenode a bit fucked up atm?
17:41:41 <dorotea> :P
17:41:51 <dorotea> seems to work fine
17:42:06 <dorotea> but eh "freenode" is nebulous due to multiplicity of servers
17:42:19 <complex> right
17:42:55 <dorotea> oooh!
17:42:57 <dorotea> bot attack!
17:42:58 <dorotea> :D
17:43:02 <complex> really?
17:43:36 <dorotea> Closing Link: [ip] (Sorry, server is full - try later)
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17:44:03 * dorotea shrugs
17:44:08 <dorotea> least used irc network
17:44:20 <dorotea> I'm pretty much only there for joepie91 and #bitcoin
17:44:32 <complex> what, freenode is king
17:44:42 <dorotea> I like efnet more
17:44:44 <joepie91> I disconnected from my ZNC on freenode
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17:44:50 <joepie91> got tired of the *status PMs
17:44:52 <dorotea> If we're going for bottom of the barrel networks
17:44:54 <dorotea> lol
17:45:12 <joepie91> it's not like freenode is usable now anyway
17:45:20 <dorotea> nah
17:45:36 <dorotea> I wonder if its dying as bad as efnet
17:45:48 <dorotea> :/
17:46:09 <dorotea> probably the populations will kick back up again in a couple years
17:46:13 <dorotea> it happened a few years ago to
17:46:32 <dorotea> everyone sounded the death knell of irc and then anon ops happened and everyone was like OMG IRC WTF LOL BBQ
17:47:20 <complex> but freenode is actually the most used network rigth?
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17:47:56 <dorotea> I doubt it
17:48:24 <dorotea> idk though, "most used" isn't ever a metric I'm interested in
17:48:34 <complex> i think many people are unaware of IRC
17:48:41 <dorotea> how about "least number of assholes" or "best community"
17:48:51 <dorotea> yep
17:49:02 <dorotea> and they can stay unaware of irc
17:49:06 <joepie91> complex; afaik freenode isn't even really IRC
17:49:17 <joepie91> protocol incompatibility or w/e
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17:49:33 <dorotea> huh?
17:49:40 <dorotea> they run all the new specs
17:49:46 <dorotea> that doesn't make it incompatible >_>
17:49:54 <complex> joepie91: the dude in house of cards reminds me kind of like you :P
17:50:06 <joepie91> dorotea: there's an explanation somewhere
17:50:15 <joepie91> complex: ?
17:50:19 <joepie91> (I don't watch house of cards)
17:50:24 <dorotea> joepie91:) if you run across it, linkme :)
17:50:36 <joepie91> bah, judging from the vibrationthings, my equalizer settings don't work for all tracks...
17:50:37 <dorotea> what scares me is that they're still running seven
17:50:52 <dorotea> that's like
17:50:53 <complex> well, there is a hackerguy. maybe you should watch it, its okey.
17:50:53 <dorotea> horrifying
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17:52:47 * dorotea searches for finnegan
17:52:52 <iceTwy> so like
17:52:56 <dorotea> we're gonna get married o.o
17:52:57 <iceTwy> OpenVZ replied to my tweet
17:52:59 <iceTwy> I lol'd
17:53:00 <iceTwy> https://twitter.com/iceTwy/status/437201103013564416
17:53:05 <dorotea> embrace domesticity and such
17:53:05 <dorotea> .tw
17:53:06 <botpie91> dorotea: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id
17:53:14 <dorotea> .tw https://twitter.com/iceTwy/status/437201103013564416
17:53:14 <iceTwy> .tw https://twitter.com/iceTwy/status/437201103013564416
17:53:14 <botpie91> .@_openvz_ Never, fucking, again. Never. (@iceTwy)
17:53:16 <botpie91> .@_openvz_ Never, fucking, again. Never. (@iceTwy)
17:53:24 <dorotea> ey cabron
17:53:32 <iceTwy> and then
17:53:52 <iceTwy> .tw https://twitter.com/_openvz_/status/437277670326288384
17:53:53 <botpie91> @iceTwy in case it's not your own server, please blame your hoster, not the technology. Thanks. (@_openvz_)
17:54:03 <iceTwy> .tw https://twitter.com/iceTwy/status/437282942642311168
17:54:04 <botpie91> @_openvz_ Not blaming my hosterS (they're fine) but I'm blaming OpenVZ. Too many restrictions w/ containers b/c improper VTech. (@iceTwy)
17:54:14 <dorotea> lol
17:54:24 <dorotea> I GOT DA V-TECH, YO
17:54:30 <iceTwy> lol
17:54:37 <iceTwy> seriously I've used at least 4 hosts w/ OpenVZ
17:54:42 <dorotea> that probably only makes sense if you're from the midwest
17:54:43 <dorotea> lol
17:55:27 <iceTwy> also I lol'd as "in case it's not your own server"
17:55:39 <iceTwy> I would OBVIOUSLY go with OpenVZ if I was hosting my own VPS host node
17:55:45 <iceTwy> so I could oversell like mad
17:55:51 <iceTwy> that's what 95% hosters do
17:56:06 <iceTwy> so hosters aren't going to complain about OpenVZ >_>
17:56:13 <dorotea> yes that's the benefit to openvx
17:56:14 <dorotea> z
17:56:21 <iceTwy> yeah, but fuck OpenVZ
17:56:21 <dorotea> it's why I've only used it once
17:56:22 <dorotea> :P
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17:56:35 <dorotea> my backup dns node is openvz on ramsomething
17:56:37 <iceTwy> I'm moving my shit to KVM anyway
17:56:46 <dorotea> we only use kvm :P
17:56:52 <dorotea> soon bhyve, probably
17:56:55 <iceTwy> Xen is pretty great too
17:57:00 <dorotea> hybrid bhyve and docker
17:57:02 <iceTwy> I liked Xen
17:57:43 <dorotea> bhyve is like taking fbsd and combining it with amazing anal sex
17:57:49 <dorotea> you just can't lose
17:58:56 <dorotea> NP: [Linkin Park - When They Come For Me] [A Thousand Suns] [934kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0
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18:01:23 <iceTwy> sorry
18:01:25 <iceTwy> what dorotea
18:01:28 <iceTwy> amazing anal sex?
18:01:32 <iceTwy> oh, bhyve
18:02:54 <dorotea> :3
18:03:03 <dorotea> man, that was great
18:03:08 <dorotea> I should pastebin it
18:03:22 <iceTwy> nah
18:03:23 <iceTwy> bash.org
18:03:29 <dorotea> not mine
18:04:02 <iceTwy> really
18:04:12 <iceTwy> well it's saved forever anyway;
18:04:16 <iceTwy> loggy, pointer?
18:04:16 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-22#T18-04-16
18:04:21 <iceTwy> ^
18:04:24 <dorotea> I know
18:04:36 <dorotea> in another hour it'll be in google
18:04:36 <dorotea> :P
18:04:57 <iceTwy> :P
18:05:26 <iceTwy> oh
18:05:32 <iceTwy> was there a DDoS on freenode
18:05:40 <iceTwy> everyone went wtf according to my znc playback
18:07:25 <dorotea> https://iceb.in/paste/Pifjh9yg#nJg/eR6nntCVctABwIiruQ71b3KrvK+8jtJFVLwG2dI=
18:08:01 <iceTwy> so wait
18:08:14 <iceTwy> are you telling me freenode isn't even under CloudFlare or some sort of DDoS mitigation service
18:08:17 * iceTwy facepalms
18:08:20 <dorotea> nope
18:08:26 * iceTwy facepalms^2
18:08:27 <dorotea> most old 'net services aren't
18:08:31 <dorotea> why would they be?
18:08:46 <dorotea> yes yes let's just hand over complete routing control to our shit to some upstart third party
18:08:49 <dorotea> because that's smart
18:09:08 <iceTwy> because they clearly need DDoS mitigation, that's why
18:09:09 <iceTwy> lol
18:09:14 <dorotea> nah
18:09:19 <dorotea> you just wait
18:09:24 <dorotea> same shit you used to do
18:10:25 <iceTwy> oh my god lol
18:10:25 <dorotea> we have flatrate mbit/s on our servers, so we don't even null our addresses
18:10:27 <dorotea> we just wait
18:10:28 <iceTwy> amazing paste
18:10:32 <joepie91> uh
18:10:36 <joepie91> uh uh uh
18:10:37 <joepie91> iceTwy
18:10:41 <iceTwy> joepie91:
18:10:41 <joepie91> 1. cloudflare is a HTTP proxy
18:10:43 <joepie91> not a ddos mitigation service
18:10:49 <iceTwy> wat, really
18:10:50 <joepie91> so forget about IRC
18:10:51 <dorotea> yes
18:10:53 <joepie91> ... yes...
18:10:59 * iceTwy facepalms self
18:11:01 <joepie91> and 2. cloudflare is by no means the best ddos mitigation available
18:11:08 <iceTwy> yeah, I'm aware
18:11:11 <dorotea> it's a bunch of modified nginx instances spread across the world doing reverse caching
18:11:18 <joepie91> if you're serious about mitigation, you go with something like prolexic
18:11:20 <dorotea> that's it
18:11:21 <joepie91> but it'll also cost you serious
18:11:27 <dorotea> ^
18:11:32 <dorotea> prolexic is /the/ shit
18:11:33 <joepie91> ddos mitigation is expensive
18:11:35 <joepie91> as a general rule of thumb
18:11:45 <dorotea> but you will pay several limbs per month for that shit
18:11:48 <iceTwy> yup
18:11:49 <joepie91> haha
18:11:53 <complex> is it difficult to make a basic ddos-program?
18:11:59 <dorotea> yes
18:12:04 <complex> you kidding?
18:12:18 <dorotea> so, most of that shit is easy to stop these days
18:12:20 <joepie91> complex: no such thing as a "ddos program", and this is not the kind of channel to ask for instructions for that ;)
18:12:31 <iceTwy> holy fuck
18:12:40 <iceTwy> Prolexic has 1.8Tbps bandwidth available?!
18:12:45 <dorotea> yeah
18:12:47 <joepie91> and if you don't understand why "ddos program" doesn't exist, you don't know enough about the topic to even -think- about doing it
18:12:54 <dorotea> biggest ddos to date was 800gbit, so they're fine
18:13:09 <iceTwy> though NTP servers owners need to fix their shit really
18:13:12 <dorotea> that fucked up europe's routing
18:13:17 <dorotea> iceTwy:) whatever
18:13:25 <dorotea> iceTwy:) we said the same thing for 15 years about dns
18:13:30 <complex> joepie91: eh, should i differ between script and program?
18:13:31 <iceTwy> yeah
18:13:49 <joepie91> iceTwy: it's worth pointing out that MONLIST was a fucking retarded idea
18:13:59 <dorotea> iceTwy:) now that dns is finally locked down just a hair, there's a new thing to exploit :P
18:14:01 <joepie91> complex: that's not what I was refering to, and you failed the competency test :)
18:14:22 <complex> yeah, im not qualified enough :(
18:14:31 <dorotea> there will always be some new thing to exploit, heh
18:14:35 <dorotea> such is the nature of our system
18:14:57 <complex> joepie91: you are very good to disqualify other people, i like that about you
18:15:26 <dorotea> he is no gatekeeper, just a reasonably accurate recommendation engine
18:15:26 <dorotea> :P
18:15:35 <joepie91> complex: not sure if sarcasm or not :P
18:15:44 <joepie91> dorotea: hehe
18:15:46 * dorotea grins
18:15:58 <joepie91> complex: anyway, read into what "DDoS" is
18:16:01 <joepie91> what it means
18:16:11 <iceTwy> my my my
18:16:13 <joepie91> it will eventually occur to you why a "DDoS program" is not a thing
18:16:16 <iceTwy> Prolexic have merged with Akamai lol
18:16:19 <dorotea> yep
18:16:20 <joepie91> iceTwy; huh?
18:16:25 <joepie91> usrs?
18:16:29 <dorotea> ye
18:16:33 * joepie91 blinks
18:16:34 <joepie91> oh dear
18:16:43 <dorotea> today
18:16:51 <dorotea> (yesterday)
18:16:57 <joepie91> .g akamai prolexic
18:16:58 <botpie91> joepie91: http://www.akamai.com/html/about/press/releases/2013/press_120213.html
18:17:00 <dorotea> hot
18:17:11 <dorotea> 370m?
18:17:13 <dorotea> that's fucking all?
18:17:32 <dorotea> some asshole just paid 16b for a chat service and all they get is 370m?
18:17:32 <joepie91> "Akamai will host a conference call to discuss the acquisition of Prolexic today, December 2, 2013, at 8:45 a.m. Eastern time. The call may include forward-looking financial guidance from management. The call can be accessed through 1-800-706-7749 (or 1-617-614-3474 for international calls) using conference ID No. 19279933. "
18:17:35 <dorotea> what is this shit
18:17:43 <joepie91> isn't that basically asking for /b/ to invade your conference room
18:17:48 <joepie91> given that prolexic used to host scientology
18:17:52 <joepie91> (and perhaps still does)
18:18:16 <dorotea> Later in a conference call to discuss the acquisition, Leighton noted that there are other companies out there providing similar services, such as Verisign and NeuStar, but Akamai’s belief is that “Prolexic can do this better.”
18:18:16 <dorotea> “Some carriers provide their own pipe [for secure access,]” he continued, noting other competitors in this space, “but it’s better to have a single solution that can work across different carriers and ideally before the traffic ever gets to the carrier.”
18:18:30 <dorotea> yeah, the church has deep pockets
18:18:34 <dorotea> that's why\
18:19:04 <dorotea> Prolexic, which has been around since 2003, had received nearly $52 million in venture funding, with backers including Kennet Partners, Camden Partners, Intel Capital, Trident Capital and Medina Capital. It counts among its existing clients “10 of the world’s largest banks and the leading companies in e-Commerce, SaaS, payment processing, travel/hospitality, gaming and other at-risk industries,” so the deal is not only bringing more tech
18:19:04 <dorotea> nical expertise to Akamai, but deeper, existing inroads into a particular enterprise client base.
18:19:07 <dorotea> that's fucking
18:19:11 <dorotea> a 6x payoff?
18:19:15 <dorotea> wat
18:19:38 <joepie91> makes you wonder what part of the story isn't being told
18:19:41 <dorotea> yeah
18:19:46 <joepie91> and how big that part is
18:19:48 <dorotea> I'm not gonna lie, that number is fucking LOW
18:19:50 <complex> joepie91: LOIC isnt a program?
18:19:57 <complex> seems like a program to me
18:19:59 <joepie91> complex: it's not a "DDoS program".
18:20:10 <joepie91> I've already given you a hint on where to start learning :)
18:20:17 <dorotea> like, prolexic does great work for that little amount of money and that MUCH vc funding
18:20:28 <dorotea> I wonder if they fucked up the starting financials, back in the day
18:20:35 <joepie91> dorotea: $52m is actually almost nothing funding-wise
18:20:36 <dorotea> and so the vc's just run the business now
18:20:37 <joepie91> for an org like prolexic
18:20:43 <dorotea> so, look at the ratio
18:20:49 <dorotea> that's the important part
18:20:58 <joepie91> yes, the ratio is insane, but I'm surprised that they ran a show on that funding -at all-
18:21:03 <dorotea> 52m to 370m
18:21:09 <joepie91> if anything, that seems to show that at least they started out with sane financials
18:21:13 <dorotea> that's like 6x? 7x?
18:21:18 <dorotea> that's a very low multiplier
18:21:35 <dorotea> most people are looking for 20
18:21:59 <joepie91> dorotea: wonder what HN would say of that
18:22:50 <dorotea> yeah idk
18:22:57 <dorotea> maybe they had a thread on it?
18:23:01 * dorotea hopes so
18:23:10 <dorotea> one of the few times I'd actually like to have any idea what HN thinks
18:23:10 <dorotea> haha
18:24:02 <monod> Akamai also means “smart” in the Hawaiian language! and it is pronounced like "ACME"
18:24:03 <monod> lulz
18:24:07 <monod> back to studying!
18:24:29 <dorotea> :>
18:24:54 <dorotea> so cloudflare has as much funding as prolexic did
18:25:27 <joepie91> <dorotea>one of the few times I'd actually like to have any idea what HN thinks
18:25:27 <dorotea> wow
18:25:29 <joepie91> hehe
18:25:30 <dorotea> joepie91:) not a fucking drop
18:25:33 <dorotea> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6833949
18:25:34 <joepie91> my unspoken thought
18:25:47 <joepie91> dorotea: wow
18:25:54 <joepie91> so there's finally a topic that IS relevant to the demographic on HN
18:25:59 <joepie91> and they don't respond?
18:26:01 <joepie91> wtf HN, wtf
18:26:02 <dorotea> a dud
18:26:08 <dorotea> yep
18:26:18 <dorotea> lemme see
18:26:20 <dorotea> there's 7 posts
18:26:32 <dorotea> well, 3
18:26:35 <dorotea> 7 ctrl+f's
18:26:44 <dorotea> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6833617 2 pnts,
18:26:50 <dorotea> 1 pnt https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6833128
18:26:54 <dorotea> nothing, man
18:28:31 <joepie91> YOU HAD ONE JOB, HN, ONE JOB
18:28:53 <dorotea> failed it
18:29:00 <dorotea> and google has terrible coverage of HN
18:29:09 <dorotea> fortunately others archive
18:29:21 * joepie91 returns to dicking around with PHP code
18:29:26 <dorotea> https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/all&q=akamai+prolexic
18:29:37 <dorotea> and http://hnflood.com/bytime/2013/12/2/
18:29:41 <dorotea> two excellent pages
18:30:02 <joepie91> dorotea: it's kinda interesting how HN is basically just a data storage API, with a shitty pseudo-frontend to not make it look entirely ridiculous
18:30:07 <joepie91> lol
18:30:39 <dorotea> yeah
18:30:54 <dorotea> I'm envious of the people who have big db's of hn posts and such
18:31:12 <dorotea> It's a great source of sentiment analysis for a very particular demographic
18:34:34 <dorotea> man that apple ssl bug is bad
18:34:40 <dorotea> mitm? YES
18:35:38 <joepie91> dorotea: you want to know the best part?
18:36:20 <dorotea> probably
18:36:26 <joepie91> dorotea: who do you think has been accused of exaggerating/nitpicking/whatevering for the past 2 years, whenever he told somebody to "always use brackets, even for single statements, because you'll fuck it up later"?
18:36:45 <dorotea> :P
18:36:48 * joepie91 points at self and undoubtedly several other people who he doesn't know who have made the same argument
18:36:59 <joepie91> "naaah that won't happen"
18:36:59 <dorotea> yeah
18:37:10 <joepie91> WELL HERE YOU HAVE YOUR FUCKING IN-THE-WILD PROOF, NOW USE BRACKETS GODDAMNIT
18:37:12 <dorotea> and the fact that unreachable code warnings aren't in -Wall
18:37:34 <dorotea> (dumb as FUCK)
18:37:37 <joepie91> dorotea: honestly, whenever I do code review, bracket-less statements are an instant reject
18:37:46 <joepie91> and I won't even look at the rest of the code
18:37:58 <dorotea> is it acceptable to single-line bracketed short code?
18:38:01 <joepie91> it's just... WHY would you do that
18:38:01 * dorotea does that
18:38:23 <joepie91> I don't care what line you put it on, as long as statements in a code block are bracketed
18:38:29 <dorotea> I used to write my C like html
18:38:32 <dorotea> my teacher loved that
18:38:37 <joepie91> if(blah) { something(); } on a single line is fine in some cases
18:38:40 <joepie91> I don't care
18:38:48 <dorotea> yeah, that's what I did
18:38:48 <joepie91> if(blah) something(); is grounds for rejection
18:39:09 <joepie91> if(blah)
18:39:10 <joepie91> something(); is grounds for rejection with an extra rant tacked on
18:39:14 <dorotea> and I comment inside the line if there are implicit arguments being omitted
18:39:29 <dorotea> /default
18:39:45 <joepie91> dorotea: my go-to argument has more or less become "if you don't like braces, go use python"
18:40:06 <dorotea> oh fuck
18:40:07 <dorotea> .title http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ukraine-protest-20140221,0,1284200.story
18:40:09 <botpie91> dorotea: Protesters seize Ukraine president's compound - chicagotribune.com
18:40:18 <dorotea> assholes
18:40:19 <dorotea> "Parliament expels Ukraine president, protesters seize his compound"
18:40:32 <dorotea> why don't they match the title to the <title>
18:40:37 <dorotea> it's better for seo anyway
18:40:37 <dorotea> :|
18:41:06 <joepie91> dorotea; as somebody else said, "now it starts."
18:41:38 <dorotea> yeah
18:41:43 <dorotea> it's fucking concerning man
18:42:01 <dorotea> half of the "opposition" as it stands are what can optimistically be called fascists
18:42:21 <dorotea> neo-nazis if you wanna be nit-picky
18:44:01 <dorotea> this truly is the best response
18:44:03 <dorotea> .tw https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/436997563343200256
18:44:04 <botpie91> Don't worry. The security update used to patch Apple's iOS SSL authentication flaw will be delivered to you securely via a SSL connection. (@csoghoian)
18:46:15 <joepie91> I rt'ed that already
18:46:16 <joepie91> :P
18:47:47 <dorotea> I know, I stole it from another channel
18:47:51 <dorotea> you might know the one
18:48:29 <joepie91> possibly
18:48:32 <joepie91> anyway, code tiem
18:51:26 <joepie91> recommended, btw: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/quick-tab/bdeifmcaonlafkglbdpbbhkeecjnkipo?hl=en
18:54:02 <dorotea> huh
18:54:04 <dorotea> not bad
18:54:09 <dorotea> does it handle multiple windows?
18:54:27 <dorotea> (and switching between them?)
18:58:21 <joepie91> dorotea: afaik it just lists all your tabs
18:58:25 <joepie91> in one list
18:58:30 <joepie91> I find it especially handy for closing tab mountains
18:58:41 <xz_> joepie91
18:58:42 <joepie91> right click -> close, and it's way faster and less error-prone than fucking about with middle click on tabs
18:58:59 <joepie91> xz_: hai?
18:59:18 <dorotea> I don't middle click tabs, I use the little x's or more commonly ctrl+w
18:59:29 <xz_> I queryed you it.
19:00:49 * dorotea goes and installs every fucking app and extension into chrome
19:01:09 * joepie91 watches in amusement as dorotea stares at a kernel panic
19:01:32 <dorotea> soon
19:01:34 <dorotea> not just yet
19:01:35 <dorotea> :D
19:02:46 <dorotea> NP: [Linkin Park - Waithing For The End] [A Thousand Suns] [977kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0
19:03:34 <complex> guys, is there a better way to print fractions in python then by a/float(b)?
19:04:03 <complex> i think it looks a bit tedious
19:04:47 <joepie91> either use float() or just prefix with 1.0 *
19:05:32 <complex> with the first one, you mean what i said, right?
19:05:38 <complex> float(19/12) = 1
19:06:14 <joepie91> yes, I mean what you said
19:06:19 <joepie91> 1.0 * is cleaner usually
19:06:24 <complex> i see
19:06:38 <dorotea> duck duck go, aka SATAN
19:06:46 * dorotea giggles
19:06:58 <xz_> 1.0 * float(19/12)
19:07:31 <dorotea> wow ddg, aranjepack's actual page isn't even on the search results
19:07:38 * dorotea facedesk
19:08:04 <dorotea> hahaha bing fail
19:15:04 <dorotea> .title http://www.akamai.com/html/about/press/releases/2014/press_0218.html
19:15:05 <botpie91> dorotea: February 18, 2014 - Akamai Completes Acquisition of Prolexic
19:21:44 <dorotea> thank god martin luther king is almost always still relevant
19:21:51 <dorotea> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1VB7FN0_AI
19:21:51 <botpie91> dorotea: Martin Luther King: "Beyond Vietnam" - YouTube
19:22:08 <dorotea> change vietnam to whatever "war on X" you're concerned about
19:22:18 <dorotea> same speech, still works
19:27:32 <complex> i want to try to make my own beer sometime
19:27:41 <complex> sounds like a cool experience to have
19:28:08 <dorotea> yes!
19:28:20 <dorotea> you can buy kits which are a very easy way to get into it
19:28:41 <dorotea> another great thing is to find a local brewery and see if they do day-with-the-head-brewer stuff
19:29:00 <dorotea> you pay a bit of money and they help you through using their fancy materials, and you get the bottles afterwards
19:32:08 <complex> wow, seriously?
19:32:14 <complex> would be cool to attend
19:32:22 <complex> sounds like you are familiar with it
19:32:53 <dorotea> my roommate for 6 months was such a head brewer
19:42:44 <dorotea> heh
19:43:16 <complex> "next time im going to give you a bearhug, be BEAR aware! :D"
19:43:29 <complex> i came up with that myself
19:44:27 <dorotea> :P
19:46:21 <dorotea> hmm
19:46:39 <dorotea> I suspect if I actually read the bible I could probably be a pretty kickass christian
19:46:50 <complex> are you christian?
19:47:01 <dorotea> absolutely not
19:47:04 <complex> why waste time reading something that is just pure shit
19:47:11 <complex> oh wait i forgot the answer
19:47:16 <complex> you learn about culture and shit
19:47:37 <dorotea> That and you gain the heroic ability to beat religious people with their own book
19:48:02 <dorotea> I may get around to reading it someday, though
19:48:14 <complex> i dont think you should read it. it merely gives you the answer to "have you even read the bible?!?!? DUH"
19:48:36 <dorotea> I already get comments about that, something like "Wow, you really know the bible well for being someone who isn't Christian" "Yes, that's why I'm not Christian"
19:48:51 <dorotea> :P
19:49:05 <dorotea> my favorite question to ask is if they know about "jubilee"
19:49:18 <dorotea> because if they don't, they haven't even undertaken minimal effort to read their own book
19:49:18 <complex> i guess you are one of those richard dawkins-guys
19:49:24 <dorotea> nah
19:49:26 <dorotea> he's an asshole
19:49:49 <dorotea> I only go after religious people who go after me.
19:49:57 <complex> well, my buddy was upset debating with christians for a while. i think he read something from dawkins and the bible, but i think he concluded that it was a waste of time
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19:50:31 <dorotea> for him, probably
19:50:48 <dorotea> many people do not find religion to be a waste of time, though :P
19:51:36 <dorotea> and in any case, there are a few things I quite like. The concept of being a "Good Steward" is extremely Christian, but I think it's a useful concept
19:52:16 <dorotea> HAHAHA oh wikipedia
19:52:28 <dorotea> "This analogy is used several times in the Old Testament or Tanakh"
19:52:40 <dorotea> yes, because the old testament and the tanakh are TOTALLY the same thing
19:53:11 <dorotea> the tanakh isn't organized differently, written in a different language, performed differently, and doesn't have an extra 7 books or anything
19:53:11 <dorotea> nope
19:53:14 <dorotea> not at all
19:53:27 * dorotea facedesks
19:54:09 <dorotea> mmm
19:54:13 <dorotea> this week will be awesome tho
19:54:18 <dorotea> we're doing hinduism <3
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19:55:31 <dorotea> I feel like hinduism is the quintessential example of adding `... at scale` to a religion and having it still work consistently
19:56:21 <joepie91> dorotea: hinduism is web scale
19:56:27 <dorotea> yep
19:56:37 <joepie91> hackernews is not
19:56:38 <joepie91> ::D
19:56:44 <botpie91> joepie91: look at UnrealIRCD channel forwarding module!
19:56:59 <joepie91> ....
19:57:16 <joepie91> I can't tell whether I'm psychic for planning that message for a time I'm looking at my IRC client
19:57:22 <joepie91> or whether botpie is psychic for notifying me
19:57:31 <dorotea> :>
19:58:02 <dorotea> The people I really want to meet someday are the copts
19:58:15 <dorotea> oldest existent branch of christianity
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19:58:29 <dorotea> you wanna talk about esoteric shit, you can find it there
19:59:58 <complex> meh, i see now that the girl i have invited over to eat burger is just not interested
20:01:47 <complex> until now i have acted very interested, without really getting much back, but i guess i'll state that we are BUDDIES ;D instead
20:02:01 <complex> with a high five
20:02:16 <dorotea> sounds creepy
20:02:36 <complex> how can buddies sounds creepy
20:02:50 <complex> ok, but you get it wrong
20:03:41 <dorotea> you change from being "interested" to "just friends". Here, that narrative is not believed
20:04:09 <complex> like, i just want her to know that if shes not interested, then i respect that
20:04:42 <complex> like, the frame is not that i really like her, but i guess i dont like her as much as i pretend to do
20:05:29 <complex> and if she's not that much into me either, then its cool, but we can still hang out, you know
20:06:58 <dorotea> woot!
20:07:03 <dorotea> my teacher responded!
20:07:05 <dorotea> :DDDDDD
20:07:14 <complex> so you are in high school?!
20:07:18 <dorotea> no
20:07:30 <complex> then something doesnt make sense!!
20:07:57 <dorotea> why
20:08:33 <complex> because you cant be in elementary or secondary school. calling lecturers as teachers is a bit strange. unless you are not attending uni
20:08:45 <complex> so i then rather believe in the latter option
20:09:08 <dorotea> I still don't understand
20:09:23 <dorotea> your... concept of uni does not fit with the uni I am attending
20:09:33 <dorotea> we don't have lectures
20:09:41 <dorotea> or lecturers
20:09:54 <dorotea> we have professors and class participation
20:10:23 <dorotea> fuck school being a one-way road of information
20:10:48 <complex> ok, so thats the difference
20:11:11 <dorotea> professor is a symlink to teacher, imo
20:12:30 <dorotea> I won't ever take someone seriously who just lectures at you and never has any participation
20:12:47 <dorotea> If you don't learn from your students, you are not a teacher
20:13:21 <complex> i have stopped attending lecturers
20:13:23 <complex> *lectures
20:13:27 <complex> im not learning anything from it
20:13:47 <dorotea> I learn certain "facts" which are then just regurgitated onto a test
20:13:53 <dorotea> not worthwhile use of my time
20:14:26 <complex> i learn best when reading it myself. i have a very hard time memorizing things written on a blackboard or taught orally
20:14:48 * dorotea nods
20:15:01 <dorotea> I have no difficulty learning from any mode
20:15:07 <complex> mode huh
20:15:15 <dorotea> mode of learning
20:15:31 <dorotea> aural, visual, tactile, etc
20:15:33 <complex> implies you have no best way of learning?
20:15:36 <complex> ok
20:15:42 <dorotea> all are best
20:15:55 <complex> sure
20:15:59 <dorotea> I'm probably slightly better at watching
20:16:26 <dorotea> I learn tactile things that way
20:16:39 <dorotea> I watch others, and then I do it as well as they do
20:18:47 <dorotea> I wish my brakes would arrive :|
20:18:58 <dorotea> I would like brakes on my bike :D
20:19:05 <dorotea> been 1.5 weeks without them lol
20:19:45 <dorotea> whiiiiich reminds me I need to study the physics of riding a bike
20:19:50 <dorotea> if we understand that yet
20:20:10 <complex> fuck physics
20:20:19 <dorotea> nah
20:20:27 <dorotea> studying models is how I learn how things work
20:21:06 <complex> well, i like to think of that as engineering/or mech.phys
20:21:11 <dorotea> so if I can manipulate a model of how to ride a bike based on changing the center of gravity, I can learn how to not lose traction on slippery surfaces
20:21:14 <complex> which is a narrow subset of physics
20:21:45 <dorotea> I've already figured out how to move the platform of stability for a bike up onto me instead of the bike
20:22:00 <dorotea> but I'm not 100% on manipulating it for the purposes of traction maintenance
20:22:43 <dorotea> but I mostly just don't understand how forces combine
20:22:50 <dorotea> hence, I need a model :)
20:23:52 <dorotea> I did it once, tho
20:23:56 <dorotea> it was super fun
20:24:12 <dorotea> I slid my bike perpendicular to the direction of momentum
20:24:35 <dorotea> I was trying to stop for a stopsign and thought it was the best way to maximize traction
20:24:38 <dorotea> I was right :D
20:35:00 <complex> hm, im in lack of a good friend irl, someone i can trust and speak to
20:35:19 <complex> but i guess that is for pussies
20:35:28 <complex> so fuck that
20:36:44 <dorotea> lol
20:36:54 <dorotea> quality > quantity
20:37:06 <complex> definitely
20:38:38 <complex> concluded with that after having one guy over to stay with me for some months just so i could establish some friendship
20:39:00 <complex> dumbest idea ever
20:40:15 <complex> or, i have probably benefitted from it in some ways, but...
20:41:30 <complex> we ended up in agressive discussions about throwing "towelpaper" or what its called in the toilet
20:42:04 <complex> and so on. its also awkward to wake up and eat in your appartment when there is a guy sleeping two metres away from you
20:46:00 <iceTwy> right
20:46:11 <iceTwy> dorotea, joepie91: if you were using it, I'm bringing down my Electrum server
20:46:59 <complex> well, next time i meet this girl, i will just act like i fucking am. i dont want to act like a pussy anymore because i like this girl
20:47:30 <complex> if she isnt comfortable with me roaring randomly in public, then it is on her
20:52:02 <joepie91> iceTwy: :(
20:55:29 <iceTwy> joepie91: can't handle the future specs requirements
20:55:43 <iceTwy> and there are way enough Electrum nodes hosted on dedi servers w/ Tor & SSL
20:56:06 <xz_> iceTwy, it's been a long time since I saw your name.
20:58:35 <iceTwy> >kill Java on VPS
20:58:47 <iceTwy> >free 250MB RAM
20:58:48 * iceTwy approves
20:58:57 <xz_> > runs java
20:59:00 <xz_> > xz_ disapproved
20:59:10 <iceTwy> yeah no
20:59:23 <iceTwy> I don't even need it actually
20:59:29 <iceTwy> so fuckjava.jpg
20:59:37 <xz_> apt-get remove java* openjdk* -y
21:00:29 <dorotea> iceTwy:) the uh light bitcoin client? no, I've never touched anything but mainline
21:03:00 <iceTwy> yes, the light bitcoin client
21:03:34 <iceTwy> the client might be light but unfortunately, all of the TX history is stored on the nodes
21:04:02 <iceTwy> and since Bitcoin TXs are booming and there have been tons in the past, bigger servers are required nowadays to run electrum-server
21:04:52 <dorotea> yep
21:07:20 <iceTwy> btw I got myself a little treat
21:07:33 <iceTwy> went to the book store, and I bought Brave New World & 1984
21:07:51 <iceTwy> I've read the latter on my PC, though it was quite displeasant
21:08:22 <iceTwy> imo nothing can replace a printed book, would it just be the comfort of reading it provides
21:09:11 <dorotea> I find no particular issue with computer presentation formats with good typography and 22pt fonts or bigger
21:10:13 <dorotea> NP: [Wszystkie Wschody Słońca - Telewizor] [Japoński Reżyser] [208kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0
21:10:55 <dorotea> or like
21:10:56 <dorotea> NP: [Queen - Fat Bottomed Girls] [Jazz] [880kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0
21:18:49 <iceTwy> where's joepie91
21:18:50 <iceTwy> JOEPIE91
21:18:52 <iceTwy> NAO
21:20:57 <joepie91> ICETWY
21:21:01 <joepie91> what's on fire
21:21:15 <joepie91> IRC services? the tahoe grid?
21:21:22 <iceTwy> ALL THE THINGS
21:21:26 <iceTwy> !!1
21:21:31 <iceTwy> no, erm
21:21:45 <iceTwy> what was that post where you reviewed all of your past and current VPS hosters
21:21:51 <iceTwy> hosts*
21:21:53 <joepie91> I didn't review them
21:21:56 <joepie91> I just listed them
21:22:17 <joepie91> iceTwy: https://vpsboard.com/topic/1022-down-to-4-vps/page-2#entry51534
21:22:18 <joepie91> this one?
21:22:26 <iceTwy> ja mein freund
21:22:31 <iceTwy> danke schön
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21:25:06 <xz_> wait
21:25:12 <xz_> joepie91, you use servercrate?
21:25:13 <xz_> lmao
21:25:26 <joepie91> xz: as a storaeg box
21:25:27 <joepie91> er
21:25:28 <joepie91> storage box *
21:25:45 <xz_> oh god, I hate servercrate
21:25:48 <xz_> with a passion...
21:27:03 <dorotea> haha "vps enthusiast"
21:27:10 * dorotea giggles
21:28:45 <joepie91> xz_: Tahoe-LAFS is fault-redundant
21:28:59 <joepie91> er
21:29:02 <joepie91> fault-tolerant
21:29:08 <joepie91> the worst thing that can happen, is that there's a red dot in my tahoe-lafs panel
21:29:08 <joepie91> lol
21:30:51 <xz_> lol
21:31:07 <dorotea> lol
21:31:57 <iceTwy> joepie91: ze ping
21:32:09 * dorotea pings iceTwy so hard he falls out of his chair
21:32:15 <iceTwy> what's so wrong with DigitalOcean besides the fact that they send all of your --
21:32:17 <iceTwy> HEY
21:32:18 <iceTwy> !
21:32:21 * iceTwy gets back on his chair
21:32:25 <iceTwy> fok u m8
21:32:28 <iceTwy> rekt u
21:32:30 <dorotea> u wot m8
21:32:34 * iceTwy smash u in lad
21:32:39 <xz_> digitalocean closed my account...
21:32:42 <xz_> I had $300 credit.
21:32:44 * dorotea throws water on iceTwy
21:32:54 <iceTwy> okay
21:33:00 <xz_> they refused to serve me unless I uploaded a copy of my ID
21:33:05 <dorotea> wat
21:33:15 <dorotea> you must be terrorist or money launderer
21:33:15 <iceTwy> so what's so wrong with them besides the fact that they send all of your data to the NSA, CIA, FBI, DHS, Interpol
21:33:19 <joepie91> iceTwy: ze pong
21:33:26 <iceTwy> joepie91: ze see above
21:33:35 <joepie91> fraud detection probably
21:33:41 <dorotea> lemme just fix your statement
21:33:53 <dorotea> "What's so wrong with DO except that they're user hostile?"
21:34:28 <iceTwy> why/how are they user hostile
21:34:38 <dorotea> "the fact that they send all of your data to the NSA, CIA, FBI, DHS, Interpol"
21:34:41 <dorotea> your words
21:34:55 <dorotea> Anybody who does that is fundamentally user hostile
21:35:13 <iceTwy> well, either DO do that
21:35:23 <iceTwy> or they get forced into doing it, like any other US-based company
21:35:29 <iceTwy> server hosting company*
21:35:39 <iceTwy> and if it's not US-based, then the NSA just go and get it
21:35:41 <dorotea> that also goes for anyone who doesn't encrypt everything by default, and use least-possible-information systems
21:37:44 <iceTwy> lol who does that exactly
21:37:45 <iceTwy> name 1 host
21:37:48 <xz_> joepie91, got a second?
21:38:06 <dorotea> iceTwy:) perhaps now you see the scope of the problem we're faced with
21:38:20 <iceTwy> always have seen it
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21:38:59 <dorotea> well, we have a target. best get to changin' :)
21:39:43 <iceTwy> jaja
21:40:29 <dorotea> I'm still excited. Snowden docs are creating a lovely little cultural shift
21:40:59 <dorotea> we're starting to see the fruits of that, and we will continue to
21:41:45 <staticsafe> what cultural shift
21:41:57 <iceTwy> Prometeus are kinda annoying
21:42:02 <iceTwy> they've only got debian 6 images
21:42:08 <dorotea> ooooold
21:42:14 <dorotea> 7 or bust
21:42:15 <dorotea> :D
21:42:40 <joepie91> iceTwy: submit a ticket
21:42:48 <joepie91> failing that, bother Maounique
21:42:49 <joepie91> :P
21:43:09 <iceTwy> btw, where are Prometeus servers located?
21:43:13 <staticsafe> italy
21:43:22 <joepie91> italy and US afaik
21:43:33 <joepie91> though I think US might only be on their iwstack thing
21:43:34 <iceTwy> iunno about Italy tbh
21:43:48 <iceTwy> doesn't sound that great but doesn't sound too bad either
21:44:00 <joepie91> iceTwy: italy is a bit politically sketchy
21:44:14 <iceTwy> I'm aware yeah
21:44:35 <iceTwy> let's ask monod shall we
21:44:37 <iceTwy> monod: ping
21:44:52 <joepie91> iceTwy: on the other hand, prometeus guys go pretty hard on the whole freedom (of speech) thing
21:45:00 <iceTwy> orli
21:45:07 <joepie91> yeah
21:45:30 <joepie91> maounique posts most, but afaik sal agrees with him on most stuff
21:45:37 <joepie91> and posts himself occasionally
21:45:45 <joepie91> from what I've gathered, strong proponents of free speech, tor network, etc.
21:46:00 <joepie91> but I haven't looked into it -too- closely
21:46:11 <dorotea> where are the strongest data privacy laws?
21:46:21 <iceTwy> Iceland
21:46:24 <iceTwy> without a single doubt
21:47:48 <joepie91> ... in theory ...
21:47:56 <joepie91> also, is it weird that I -really- like the way soundcloud does inline comments?
21:48:04 <dorotea> :)
21:48:14 <dorotea> I didn't specify what kind of data, either
21:48:29 <dorotea> I would suspect for example that switzerland has stronger banking data privacy laws
21:49:01 <joepie91> had *
21:49:14 <dorotea> I think even now
21:49:15 <joepie91> those have apparently been on their way down for the past few years
21:49:19 <dorotea> after their agreements
21:49:34 <joepie91> luxembourg seems to be getting more popular in the banking sense
21:49:44 <joepie91> europe-wise
21:57:15 <dorotea> woop
21:57:23 <dorotea> ukraine is gonna be in the hands of the pm I bet
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22:22:18 <monod> iceTwy, here I am
22:22:21 <monod> now
22:22:24 <monod> sry :3ù
22:22:32 <monod> seriously afk before
22:23:07 <monod> oh, italian politics
22:24:05 <monod> distrustful may be a word describing it
22:25:32 <iceTwy> no
22:25:43 <iceTwy> the italian privacy policy on data retention/protection
22:25:45 <iceTwy> what is it
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