Cryto! 10 February 2014
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00:41:22 <dorotea> hmm
00:41:28 <dorotea> might be time to stop drinking coffee
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11:54:49 <monod> goor modning!
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12:02:59 <joepie91> modning :P
12:05:10 <joepie91> iceTwy: is your electrum server broken
12:12:42 <joepie91> http://blog.oleganza.com/post/76213549017/mtgox-and-malleable-transactions
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12:31:19 <monod> today an university mate of mines told me he'd like to enter the world of bitcoins :D
12:31:40 <monod> even though, he did not seem to have a clear mind about them
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12:56:30 <joepie91> http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2014/02/10/why-mtgox-is-full-of-shit/
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13:11:54 <monod> LOL, the title
13:11:57 <monod> so explicit :D
13:12:04 <joepie91> monod: actually http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xiks3/why_mt_gox_is_full_of_shit_and_why_you_should/
13:12:07 <joepie91> I gave it a longer title on reddit
13:12:23 <joepie91> but yeah, I'm tired of their crap really
13:12:31 <joepie91> they just keep screwing up
13:12:40 <joepie91> and keep blaming others for it...
13:14:20 <monod> to me, it just looks like a move for stealing BTC, simple
13:14:45 <joepie91> monod: I don't feel that mt. gox intentionally tried to run away with BTC
13:14:51 <joepie91> they just aren't taking their responsibility
13:14:55 <monod> uh
13:16:56 <monod> in the meanwhile, the article is making me wondering about who invented and wrote the bitcoins protocol and how he managed to make it secure (what preventive measures he did take)
13:17:12 <monod> iirc, it was a guy by an oriental/asiatic nickname
13:18:27 <monod> but, whoever he was, I was wondering about how could he/them write a bugless program. Maybe because what they wrote was not a program but a protocol and protocols are "easier" to define without bugs?
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13:26:17 <joepie91> monod: satoshi nakomoto
13:26:22 <joepie91> and it wasn't bugless
13:26:27 <joepie91> it was just very secure, and bugs were found early on
13:26:32 <monod> the protocol?
13:26:36 <joepie91> well
13:26:40 <joepie91> both the protocol and the base implementation
13:26:45 <joepie91> (which is now bitcoind/bitcoin-qt)
13:26:52 <monod> (good)
13:26:58 <joepie91> it has likely been peer-reviewed before release
13:27:15 <joepie91> because, as it was worded by somebody whose name I forgot, "it's missing entire classes of bugs"
13:28:03 <monod> "missing" as in "didn't watchout for them"?
13:29:01 <joepie91> no, as in "they don't exist"
13:29:08 <joepie91> entire types of bugs just didn't exist
13:29:14 <monod> haha lol
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14:52:11 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Python Imports Sorter compatibility with ST3 marked.', '02Merge pull request #2802 from vi4m/masterPython Imports Sorter compatibility with ST3 marked.' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/87d60c49d7...73040c5e61)
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16:29:20 <dorotea> amazing!
16:29:38 <dorotea> coindesk (for what it's worth) removed mtgox from their bitcoin price index
16:32:23 <dorotea> wait so mtgox found a flaw in bitcoin wallets... that's been fixed already in mainline and they're halting withdrawals so they can finally get around to fixing it too?
16:35:03 <joepie91> dorotea: not quite
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16:35:18 <joepie91> dorotea: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2014/02/10/why-mtgox-is-full-of-shit/
16:35:20 <joepie91> basically...
16:35:37 <joepie91> they 'found' something that has been known for years, and it isn't even clear whether you can call it a flaw
16:35:45 <joepie91> implemented it incorrectly in their own client/daemon
16:35:49 <joepie91> and are now blaming the protocol
16:36:02 <joepie91> in short, they're using the transaction ID for something it wasn't meant to be used for
16:36:27 <dorotea> oh lulz
16:36:29 <dorotea> I can read
16:36:30 <dorotea> lol
16:36:45 * dorotea <3 *waves you off*
16:37:06 <joepie91> dorotea: comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7211286 and http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xiks3/why_mt_gox_is_full_of_shit_and_why_you_should/
16:37:53 <dorotea> :>
16:40:22 <dorotea> wow, like, fuck hn
16:40:41 <dorotea> they downvote the shit out of people for /snark/
16:41:08 * dorotea goes back to twitter where snark is a language you can use alongside english, spanish, and arabic
16:44:53 <joepie91> dorotea: boop XMPP!
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19:36:30 <lysobit> "And you clearly didn't succeed" http://i.imgur.com/m99KvOo.jpg
19:45:03 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02add FindResultsCommitChanges', '02As discussed in IRC rename package to FindResultsApplyChanges', '02Merge pull request #2797 from titoBouzout/patch-2add FindResultsApplyChanges' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/73040c5e61...2ad91fccce)
19:48:05 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Added Flatron theme', '02Merge pull request #2798 from jbrooksuk/flatronAdded Flatron theme' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/2ad91fccce...6551b2e93b)
19:49:36 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add the MikrotikScript package.', '02Merge pull request #2803 from Kentzo/masterAdd the MikrotikScript package.' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/6551b2e93b...b02b6a2984)
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20:10:42 <joepie91> lysobit: haha
20:11:40 <iceTwy_> hm
20:11:44 <iceTwy_> quite a split there
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20:49:16 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02added plugin https://github.com/cbumgard/GitCommitMsg', '02fixed alpha ordering of package name based on travis-ci build failure', '02Merge pull request #2800 from cbumgard/masteradded plugin https://github.com/cbumgard/GitCommitMsg' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/b02b6a2984...aacf39d3b4)
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22:48:26 <dorotea> lol lysobit
22:48:47 <dorotea> failed miserably maybe? I'd go farther than just "didn't succeed" :P
22:51:25 <dorotea> fucking
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23:00:29 <lysobit> https://lh3.ggpht.com/_JlyOA9at_H0/TC3luacHvPI/AAAAAAAAEFA/-oMxAo0WB_Q/s1600/Gox.Seuss.jpg