Cryto! 2 February 2014
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02:08:44 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Update plugin name for csscomb.js', '02Merge pull request #2725 from tonyganch/masterUpdate plugin name for csscomb.js' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/6d720a730a...781b98b4bd)
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03:09:28 <dorotea> joepie91:) the last two impediments to solution finding you list are mostly used to silence... I'd say dissenting opinions but it's much broader than that. Minorities, women, etc. Those tactics are used against any and all disadvantaged groups.
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03:50:58 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Update repository url and labels for Abstract Markup Language', '02Merge pull request #2726 from abstractmarkup/masterUpdate repository url and labels for Abstract Markup Language' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/bf85d290ea...a91c5a9262)
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06:09:14 <MK_FG> I think "there is no perfect solution" thing there is dangerously misnamed, because it's also used as argument against endless criticism of existing solutions without proposing anything
06:29:45 <dorotea> MK_FG:) ambiguity: is criticism without a solution bad?
06:29:58 <dorotea> (in the context of what you just said)
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07:26:29 <gesichtskirmes> I don't think you're gonna get an answer, dorotea
08:24:26 <joepie91> dorotea: huh?
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10:25:50 <MK_FG> dorotea, I think it usually is
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12:43:41 <sawyer> hell all
12:44:12 <sawyer> who is here,
12:44:28 <twitchyliquid64> MK_FG: critisim is good if it makes aware existing flaws
12:44:40 <sawyer> ok
12:44:41 <sawyer> kixx
12:44:43 <twitchyliquid64> but not good if it is simply used to attack the other person
12:44:50 <twitchyliquid64> hi sawyer
12:44:54 <sawyer> Hi !
12:45:23 <sawyer> is it anonymous channel?
12:45:36 <MK_FG> sawyer, Nope
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12:46:39 <MK_FG> twitchyliquid64, Sure, bug reports are useful, if that's what "criticism" is
12:48:40 <joepie91> well that was fast
12:48:40 <joepie91> lol
12:48:48 <joepie91> at least he asked
12:48:55 <joepie91> also, hai twitchyliquid64!
12:51:26 <twitchyliquid64> MK_FG: I mean in general, because most users woefully do not understand the implications of the technology they are using
12:51:31 <twitchyliquid64> hai joepie91
12:51:55 <MK_FG> I'd argue that's not "criticism" if you don't understand the thing ;)
12:52:21 <MK_FG> (or don't pretend to)
12:52:24 <twitchyliquid64> I mean that the criticism is useful as it helps those who do not understand realise an issue
12:54:43 <MK_FG> Hm, yeah, I guess it is
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14:16:12 <lysobit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7lTHRKjn_s
14:24:48 <MK_FG> Oh no, not meetings!
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17:21:41 <joepie91> step one in moving away from wordpress to self-hosted jekyll; my exporter appears to work! https://gist.github.com/joepie91/8771602
17:21:54 <joepie91> cc iceTwy
17:24:07 <lysobit> jekyll is goodde
17:24:14 <lysobit> http://musalbas.com is jekyll
17:31:28 <joepie91> lysobit: picking up the swhack dialect, I see ;)
17:46:03 <iceTwy> oh haha
17:46:10 <iceTwy> joepie91: go for Jekyll! ;)
17:47:14 <iceTwy> also
17:47:37 <iceTwy> I'm going to buy a domain w/ my personal name. I essentially need my own page
17:47:45 <iceTwy> should I go with .org, .me, .. ?
18:00:48 <joepie91> eh, idk
18:00:51 <joepie91> :P
18:00:55 <joepie91> also, iceTwy, how2staticpage
18:00:57 <joepie91> in jekyll
18:00:58 <joepie91> like
18:01:06 <joepie91> herpderpdomain.com/about
18:03:41 <joepie91> (without a .html)
18:03:51 <joepie91> do I really need to make a pile of dirs with index.md files :|
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18:22:41 <joepie91> http://sprunge.us/LjIL?py
18:22:43 <joepie91> I'm going to hell
18:22:43 <joepie91> lol
18:26:54 <lysobit> you could make a nginx rule to alias /*.html and /*
18:27:21 <joepie91> lysobit: I absolutely -despise- site-specific httpd configs
18:27:28 <joepie91> it's about as non-portable as it could possibly be
18:27:36 <joepie91> (that aside, I'm not even running nginx :P)
18:27:37 <lysobit> because jekyll is just a html compiler at the end of the day
18:27:48 <joepie91> oh god, another kid tried to point his LOIC at cryto (as C&C)
18:27:54 <joepie91> idk where they get the idea...
18:28:04 <joepie91> - box.cryto.net: Forbidding Q-lined nick LOIC_PCVABA from [xx.xx.xx.xx].
18:28:14 <joepie91> lysobit: I am aware
18:29:10 <lysobit> so the answer is the same way you'd do it in a non-jekyll html static site
18:33:11 <joepie91> :(
18:33:20 <joepie91> I was hoping for some kind of macro
18:33:22 <joepie91> like for _posts
18:33:25 <joepie91> except without a date
18:33:26 <joepie91> :/
18:35:05 <lysobit> I thought _posts still generates pages with .html at the end of it?
18:35:42 <lysobit> unless you mean a macro to move all .md files to /*/index.html
18:38:08 <lysobit> have a look at http://jekyllrb.com/docs/permalinks/
18:38:24 <lysobit> "permalink: pretty" might be what you're looking for
18:48:38 <botpie91> 04musalbas made 1 commit(s) to 03musalbas.com on branch 10master: '02added 404, also grammar fix' (https://github.com/musalbas/musalbas.com/compare/9860f0c7e7...c12f0e54c7)
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19:16:05 <joepie91> iceTwy: aaaaand we're live! http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/
19:16:17 <joepie91> <lysobit>I thought _posts still generates pages with .html at the end of it?
19:16:17 <joepie91> no
19:16:31 <joepie91> it generates subfolders with an index.html in each
19:17:18 <lysobit> 20<lysobit>30 have a look at http://jekyllrb.com/docs/permalinks/
19:17:18 <lysobit> 20<lysobit>30 "permalink: pretty" might be what you're looking for
19:20:04 <joepie91> lysobit: not quite
19:20:19 <joepie91> anyway, it works like this I guess :P
19:34:51 <iceTwy> joepie91: Perfect ;)
19:35:04 <joepie91> also
19:35:04 <joepie91> http://christianheilmann.com/2014/02/02/why-just-use-adblock-should-never-be-a-professional-answer/
19:35:05 <Cypher> oh snap you finally pitch the ole dirty wordpress and running your own legit blogger haha nice!
19:35:14 <joepie91> I can't believe this crap is still around
19:35:21 <iceTwy> oh btw joepie91, reading this http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2013/12/17/the-security-trainwreck-that-is-zpanel/
19:35:32 <joepie91> it's not like all the assumptions / presumptions / claims in that article haven't been disproven about every year for the past 20 years or so
19:35:36 <iceTwy> have you heard of what happened with Kloxo?
19:35:42 <joepie91> iceTwy: yes, of course
19:35:48 <joepie91> but Kloxo was already known to be shit
19:35:55 <iceTwy> haha, I laughed
19:35:56 <joepie91> ticking timebomb, really
19:35:59 <iceTwy> pretty hard actually
19:36:28 <iceTwy> who the fuck is http://christianheilmann.com/
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19:37:58 <joepie91> I have no idea
19:38:13 <joepie91> the only thing I can say with certainty is that he seems to be in the same delusional state that pretty much everybody in the marketing industry seems to be in
19:38:20 <joepie91> "OMG WITHOUT US THE INTERNET WOULDN'T EXIST"
19:38:30 <joepie91> ah yes, I'm sure that's why the fucking internet existed BEFORE YOU FUCKING DID
19:38:31 <joepie91> fucking idiots
19:43:14 <Xeross> lysobit: There's probably not a lot of effort involved in creating a generator for Jekyll that makes that /about/ stuff possible
19:43:58 <lysobit> Xeross: joepie91:*
19:44:39 <Xeross> Ahso
19:44:43 <joepie91> Xeross: I don't speak Ruby
19:45:31 <Xeross> Ah splendid train internet
19:45:31 <Xeross> I should really use my VPN in this situation :|
19:45:33 <lysobit> it's basically python, but hipster
19:47:00 <Cypher> joepie91: was cloaknet ever completed for python?
19:47:22 <joepie91> Cypher: huh?
19:47:30 <Cypher> cloaknet irc
19:47:52 <Cypher> you posted about it on twitter ages ago lol
19:48:53 <Cypher> it was about a year ago to be exact.
19:49:58 <Cypher> i have a copy here of version 0.2 it was downloaded feb 10th it says on here. i think it was a beta.
19:50:10 <Cypher> if that helps ring a bell lol
19:50:16 <Cypher> j/c
19:54:56 <joepie91> Cypher: I tweet a lot of things
19:55:04 <joepie91> I don't keep track of all things
19:55:04 <joepie91> :P
19:55:24 <Cypher> ah do u care if i post the link in this channel to refresh your memory if u seen the page i'm sure u would remember
19:55:45 <Cypher> thats just my guess that you have a vivid memory lol
19:56:09 <Cypher> i think the project is dead anyways i just looked it up now.
19:56:12 <Cypher> :/
20:00:08 <joepie91> Cypher: googled it already
20:00:10 <joepie91> I recall what it is
20:00:18 <joepie91> though it doesn't seem like something that would need frequent updates
20:00:25 <joepie91> IRC isn't exactly a... fast-developing protocol
20:00:26 <joepie91> lol
20:00:49 <Cypher> ah cool cool you find the simon page?
20:01:12 <Cypher> thats the one u posted i believe i remember the page outline.
20:01:24 <Cypher> i'll pm u the link lol
20:02:26 <Cypher> from reading that the page does not appear to be changed at all still in beta version was just wondering if u knew anything of the project if it was moved somewhere else as the project page is 404'ed now
20:02:53 <Cypher> meh looks like it was abandoned to me.
20:05:05 <joepie91> ya, that's what I found
20:05:09 <joepie91> wait, 404d?
20:05:18 <joepie91> oh
20:05:22 <joepie91> that's just the original place I guess
20:05:27 <joepie91> they seem to have just moved it
20:07:02 <Cypher> ah i'll have to search more i guess unless u know the new home. just was curious if u still knew of it or played with it any.
20:11:05 <joepie91> Cypher: well... wouldn't that URL you gave be the new home
20:11:05 <joepie91> lol
20:12:17 <Cypher> lol no that was the one i went to last year. but i get what u mean they moved the site there way before i went there your saying makes sense just seems odd it was posted as beta and hasn't been changed since also i remember the original site mirror working a year ago i think.
20:12:48 <Cypher> must of been abandoned i can't find anything else on it.
20:15:17 <Cypher> lol I found this https://mobile.twitter.com/joepie91/status/300722214272126976?p=v
20:18:19 <dorotea> cool, I just got someone's surveillance system working
20:18:21 <dorotea> lulz
20:18:40 <Cypher> you installed it yourself?
20:18:47 <dorotea> no, I fixed it
20:18:55 <dorotea> could have though, they're not hard
20:18:58 <Cypher> ah cp that
20:19:11 <Cypher> fun stuff heh
20:19:23 <Cypher> does it have nv cams? :P
20:19:26 <dorotea> I've just never drilled holes in a building, so that might be funny the first few times
20:19:29 <dorotea> but meh
20:19:31 <dorotea> nv?
20:19:37 <Cypher> night vision
20:19:42 <dorotea> no
20:19:54 <dorotea> just a standard business security camera system
20:19:58 <joepie91> dorotea!
20:19:59 <dorotea> box that records on hd
20:20:01 <dorotea> etc
20:20:01 <joepie91> have you seen my new blog!
20:20:05 <dorotea> yes
20:20:15 <dorotea> I clicked it, didn't look yet
20:20:17 <joepie91> :|
20:20:24 <joepie91> less talking more looking! :P
20:20:27 <Cypher> i think its nice
20:20:28 * dorotea laughs
20:20:35 <dorotea> but will it mail me when you post one?
20:20:39 * dorotea laughs
20:20:58 <dorotea> but yeah
20:21:06 <dorotea> last thing is to get the remote view thing set up
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20:21:15 <dorotea> reduce all the security so he can access remotely
20:21:15 <dorotea> lulz
20:21:17 <Cypher> only thing its missing is a comment section
20:21:30 <dorotea> no
20:21:33 <dorotea> fuck comments sections
20:21:58 <dorotea> no comment system in existence has good moderation tools
20:22:05 <Cypher> lol
20:22:09 <Cypher> well I'm sure joepie could fix all that
20:22:25 <dorotea> if he did, he could get quite a bit of money for it
20:22:30 <Cypher> ikr
20:22:40 <dorotea> that's why everyone keeps switching between disqus and livefyre and facebook comments
20:23:34 <dorotea> lol load web comments only if their browser supports push
20:23:44 <dorotea> push over websockets
20:23:45 <dorotea> <3
20:24:03 <joepie91> <dorotea>but will it mail me when you post one?
20:24:04 <joepie91> eventually
20:24:04 <Cypher> how man cams does this system have and it does a split screen system right to view i'm guessing how many cams on screen at once 4 or 6.
20:24:11 <joepie91> but will require duct tape
20:24:12 <joepie91> probably
20:24:24 <joepie91> anyway, dorotea, I do intend on adding comments eventually, but no hosted crap like Disqus
20:24:30 <joepie91> and I've been brainstorming about novel spam fighting approaches
20:24:31 <joepie91> :)
20:24:53 <Cypher> good stuff.
20:26:15 <dorotea> :>
20:26:27 <dorotea> 4 cams, but I think it can do 6
20:26:40 <Cypher> joepie91: i've noticed at the bottom of your blog u have your 3 fav mediums lol would be crypto / github / twitter the first link takes me to a unresolved page should it do that?
20:26:42 <dorotea> he's putting more in too
20:27:04 <dorotea> it's cause https link to http domain
20:27:07 <dorotea> joepie91:) fix link <3
20:27:07 <joepie91> Cypher: it shouldn't, moment
20:27:11 <Cypher> oh cool technology is fun to play with heh
20:27:24 <joepie91> yup, I fucked that up
20:27:25 <dorotea> yes
20:27:26 * joepie91 ./deploy
20:27:31 * dorotea grins
20:27:35 <joepie91> there we go
20:27:37 <joepie91> should be fixed now
20:27:40 <dorotea> excellent!
20:27:41 <dorotea> fixt
20:27:50 <Cypher> fixed
20:27:56 <joepie91> http://sprunge.us/JHIb?sh
20:27:57 <dorotea> I see you've done away with all css
20:27:58 <Cypher> bravo
20:28:15 <joepie91> dorotea; wat?
20:28:15 <dorotea> I can tell because it's sexy as fuck
20:28:24 <dorotea> view-source:http://cryto.net/~joepie91/
20:28:38 <dorotea> my default fonts are sexy, thus your page is sexy
20:29:06 <joepie91> oh
20:29:06 <joepie91> lol
20:29:12 <joepie91> my ~joepie91 has always been CSS-less
20:29:15 <joepie91> except for a max-width here and there
20:29:33 <Cypher> joepie91: i'm humored by the redacted lines u put in there lol
20:30:15 <joepie91> Cypher: ?
20:30:28 <Cypher> the <s> </s>
20:30:29 <Cypher> strikeout
20:30:39 <dorotea> yes, he's satan
20:30:44 <dorotea> using inline css
20:30:54 <joepie91> oh
20:30:55 <joepie91> heh
20:31:00 <joepie91> dorotea: that's not CSS
20:31:02 <joepie91> :D
20:31:02 * dorotea grins
20:31:04 <Cypher> lol
20:31:06 <dorotea> yes it is
20:31:12 <joepie91> and <del> would actually be the right way but I'm lazy
20:31:14 <dorotea> you're defining style in the structure
20:31:14 <joepie91> dorotea: no it's not
20:31:15 <dorotea> unacceptable
20:31:17 <joepie91> it's inline styling
20:31:20 <joepie91> not inline CSS
20:31:25 <joepie91> no CSS involved, just presentational HTML tags
20:31:25 <joepie91> :P
20:31:41 <dorotea> s, strike, del {
20:31:41 <dorotea> text-decoration: line-through;
20:31:41 <dorotea> }
20:31:43 <dorotea> really now
20:31:45 <Cypher> ah strike out tags are changed to <del> </del> now?
20:31:55 <Cypher> i remember it being <s> and </s>
20:32:06 <dorotea> user agent stylesheet > your face
20:32:15 <Cypher> intresting lol
20:32:31 <dorotea> even if you want to think it's inline style, it's still ua css
20:32:31 <dorotea> lol
20:32:46 <dorotea> because dicks
20:32:52 <Cypher> my user agent is set to random lol
20:32:53 <dorotea> oh!
20:32:58 <dorotea> I got csp running joepie91
20:33:11 <dorotea> such sexy sexy 200 fucking character headers lol
20:33:23 <dorotea> check my headers lol
20:33:52 <joepie91> csp?
20:33:58 <dorotea> content security policy
20:34:05 <dorotea> most obnoxious thing ever to get working
20:34:19 <dorotea> it's the client-side header-enforced solution to xss/csrf
20:34:52 <dorotea> doesn't matter if the fbi can inject js into my page, it won't run
20:35:00 <dorotea> :D
20:35:00 <joepie91> lol
20:35:09 <joepie91> dorotea: until the FBI backdoors chrome and firefox, ofc
20:35:13 <dorotea> well yeah
20:35:20 <dorotea> but I expect google to protect their brand
20:35:20 <joepie91> :P
20:35:48 <dorotea> what I wonder though is about how secure chrome's update mechanism is
20:36:04 <dorotea> cause that's an easily targeted thing, and it's really subtle to get it right
20:36:24 <dorotea> not that there's any point, I have all the logging and spying turned on
20:36:48 <dorotea> so if they can get google to hand it all over, whatever
20:37:39 <Cypher> you mean in your browser?
20:37:42 <dorotea> I stole the uh bootstrap buttons too
20:37:43 <dorotea> yes
20:37:50 <Cypher> turn that crap off lol
20:37:56 <dorotea> why
20:38:06 <Cypher> i trimmed mine the best i could. idk i just like privacy.
20:38:20 <dorotea> privacy isn't a highly valued thing to me
20:38:46 <Cypher> it is in this day an age. they use it as a tool.
20:38:46 <dorotea> information control is, but that's different in a subtle way
20:38:58 <Cypher> there is no privacy. lol.
20:38:59 <dorotea> you're generalizing over me, don't do that
20:39:04 <Cypher> big brother is already here.
20:39:22 <dorotea> Yes I know, I fork over all my info to him because it makes my life easier
20:40:26 <Cypher> i guess I'm just paranoid :)
20:40:48 <dorotea> no, you just value privacy more than convenience
20:41:02 <dorotea> it's a completely fair thing lol
20:41:09 <dorotea> My values are just different than you :P
20:42:23 <Cypher> Tru. :D we all have are own vice's don't we. lol
20:43:39 <dorotea> lol
20:59:34 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03wpcom-to-jekyll on branch 10master: '02Add README' (https://github.com/joepie91/wpcom-to-jekyll/compare/7659b22139...d32a22f3ae)
20:59:40 <joepie91> thar we go
20:59:49 <joepie91> https://github.com/joepie91/wpcom-to-jekyll
20:59:51 <joepie91> cc iceTwy
20:59:56 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02add Numix theme', '02remove unnecessary fileds, fix indentation', '02Merge pull request #2732 from alperenelhan/masteradd Numix theme' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/a91c5a9262...c4cfdcf99e)
21:00:34 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03wpcom-to-jekyll on branch 10master: '02Oops' (https://github.com/joepie91/wpcom-to-jekyll/compare/d32a22f3ae...4a982f5e40)
21:01:05 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03wpcom-to-jekyll on branch 10master: '02Another oops' (https://github.com/joepie91/wpcom-to-jekyll/compare/4a982f5e40...69d74cb0aa)
21:01:07 <dorotea> you know what bothers me
21:01:16 <dorotea> my school requires a wordpress site for graduation
21:01:29 <joepie91> dorotea: :|
21:01:35 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03wpcom-to-jekyll on branch 10master: '02Add dependency list' (https://github.com/joepie91/wpcom-to-jekyll/compare/69d74cb0aa...bd4246a72e)
21:01:49 <dorotea> I mean the requirement makes sense, but I was like "can I write it myself?"
21:02:00 <dorotea> it's a portfolio, which I have ZERO issue with
21:02:02 <dorotea> but why require wordpress?
21:02:04 <dorotea> :|
21:02:33 <dorotea> I may rewrite it by hand later
21:02:36 <dorotea> just to pee on them
21:02:55 <dorotea> sorry guys, but if you want my portfolio to continue to exist it has to be maintainable
21:03:00 <dorotea> wordpress is not maintainable
21:03:08 <joepie91> haha
21:03:27 <dorotea> If I put my portfolio under my domain, it'll be there 10 years from now
21:03:39 <dorotea> if I put it on wordpress? I'll rm it as soon as I graduate
21:03:54 <dorotea> (and rewrite it by hand, put it on my site)
21:04:45 <dorotea> the statement "I work for a design firm" didn't seem to work on them
21:04:46 <dorotea> I was sad
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21:13:08 <Cryto663> hola
21:13:11 <Cryto663> hey
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21:22:25 <joepie91> lol
21:22:25 <joepie91> http://owely.com/79AYaj
21:22:28 <joepie91> spot the odd one out
21:22:30 <joepie91> cc dorotea
21:27:53 <joepie91> dorotea: it has email subscriptions now
21:27:53 <joepie91> :3
21:28:54 <dorotea> lmao
21:29:08 <dorotea> :>
21:30:43 <joepie91> dorotea: also has RSS feed link now
21:30:46 <joepie91> :D
21:45:16 <joepie91> http://joepie91.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/bye-wordpress/
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21:50:29 <dorotea> excellent!
21:50:33 <dorotea> I don't use rss!
21:50:43 <joepie91> dorotea: but you use email!
21:51:18 <dorotea> I do!
21:51:25 * dorotea signs up
21:51:37 <dorotea> I actually put all my feeds into digg's reader
21:51:45 <dorotea> it's a nice interface, but it means I have yet another thing to look at
21:52:24 <joepie91> :p
21:53:37 <dorotea> wow
21:53:41 <dorotea> that's something I hadn't thought of
21:53:53 <dorotea> so, facebook autoplays videos when you scroll over them now (for a couple months now)
21:54:04 <joepie91> lol
21:54:07 <dorotea> which seemed potentially annoying, but nothing bad (they're muted by default)
21:54:24 <joepie91> in the meantime, ibtimes: "LOL U TOUCHED THE VIDEO HERE'S SOUND HAHA"
21:54:34 <dorotea> unless, as I have just been told, someone posts a video of a puppy being tortured.
21:54:46 <dorotea> and it autoplays.
21:55:00 <dorotea> and there's no way to disable autoplay because facebook thinks it's a feature
21:55:02 <dorotea> eeeeeeeeesh
21:56:59 <dorotea> (my mother is now no longer using facebook until the video autoplay thing has a toggle
21:57:00 <dorotea> )
21:57:40 <joepie91> dorotea: hehe
21:57:45 <joepie91> let's hope it never gets a toggle
21:57:48 <joepie91> and many people follow her example
21:58:05 <dorotea> yeah, but it's her source for socializing
21:58:14 <joepie91> so move that :D
21:58:22 <dorotea> she can't
21:58:25 <dorotea> she doesn't have that choice
21:58:40 <dorotea> that's the problem here, there isn't a choice
21:58:41 <joepie91> dorotea: nobody has that choice alone, that's kind of the whole scam behind crap like facebook
21:59:18 <dorotea> none of her friends are on other social networks (I'm the reason she has a twitter, heh). She's got a big bunch of email lists she's on, but that doesn't make up for chat and things
21:59:44 <dorotea> (even if fbchat is a giant piece of shit, it's everyone's giant piece of shit)
22:01:32 <joepie91> <joepie91>dorotea: nobody has that choice alone, that's kind of the whole scam behind crap like facebook
22:01:38 <joepie91> what you just said would be exactly what I meant
22:02:05 <joepie91> and it's exactly why people shouldn't be using facebook
22:02:55 * dorotea nods
22:03:08 <dorotea> what are our alternatives
22:03:21 <dorotea> not for tech people, for the general population
22:03:41 <dorotea> I can accurately make privacy/security/whatever tradeoffs, they can't
22:03:45 <dorotea> they just go where everyone else is
22:03:49 <dorotea> (and I don't blame them for that)
22:04:48 <dorotea> all the privacy centric social networks have been flops, except to show that the technology is in fact capable of doing it
22:06:18 * dorotea points at a new blog post topic
22:06:30 * dorotea grins
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22:22:11 <monod> good evening
22:27:00 <joepie91> monod: evening
22:27:03 <joepie91> monod: about to sleep, but
22:27:13 <joepie91> http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2014/02/02/bye-wordpress.html
22:27:45 <joepie91> now, goodnight :P
22:48:49 <monod> goodnight joepie91 !
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23:20:14 <monod> gottttta go
23:20:17 <monod> night!
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23:22:04 <dorotea> hahaha antivaxers on my facebook
23:22:11 <dorotea> telling me what I said was rude
23:22:24 <dorotea> well I'm sorry, you're the one choosing to kill people around you
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23:51:25 <iceTwy> oh my god
23:51:30 <iceTwy> this gave me the CHILLS
23:51:31 <iceTwy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYw4meRWGd4
23:51:33 <iceTwy> .title
23:51:34 <botpie91> iceTwy: GoPro: Red Bull Stratos - The Full Story - YouTube