Cryto! 31 December 2013

00:05:15 * joepie91 wonders what's going on with that
00:05:15 <joepie91> also
00:05:19 <joepie91> .title https://github.com/fog/fog/issues/2525
00:05:21 <botpie91> joepie91: Digital Ocean API is not told to scrub (securely delete) VM on destroy · Issue #2525 · fog/fog · GitHub
00:05:22 <joepie91> worth a read
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00:26:38 <zxcvbnm> .bitcoin
00:26:40 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $733.00, 1 BTC = €577.00
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00:32:56 <pzuraq> anyone work with node? What's the best promises lib?
00:33:47 <joepie91> pzuraq: friend of mine does
00:33:50 <joepie91> but he doesn't appaer to be here now
00:34:02 <joepie91> if you have until tomorrow I can probably get hold of him :P
00:34:22 <pzuraq> yep, got plenty of time
00:34:27 <pzuraq> gunna start with Q for now
00:47:31 <joepie91> :)
01:11:50 <joepie91> pzuraq: node guy inbound
01:11:54 <joepie91> in t minus something
01:11:59 <pzuraq> sweet
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01:12:40 <iceTwy> joepie91 what's your sleep schedule nowadays?
01:12:55 <c0y> I was summoned ( cc joepie91 )
01:12:58 <joepie91> um
01:12:59 <joepie91> undefined
01:13:05 <joepie91> c0y: hai, meet pzuraq
01:13:09 <c0y> EverythingThatWorks(TM)
01:13:16 <c0y> ( @ iceTwy )
01:13:17 <joepie91> pzuraq, meet c0y
01:13:23 <joepie91> :P
01:13:24 * c0y waves hello
01:13:28 <pzuraq> hi c0y
01:13:28 <iceTwy> c0y, ohai
01:14:12 <c0y> I believe I was called in for a discussion with a perfectionist that happens to be addicted to the simplicity of js on the server side? ;-)
01:14:41 <c0y> That being me, as I realize I didn't formulate that 100% as I wanted
01:14:41 * joepie91 throws up in a corner
01:14:41 <pzuraq> c0y: indeed
01:14:43 <joepie91> :P
01:14:47 <pzuraq> I love JS everywhere
01:15:05 <pzuraq> but yeah
01:15:10 <c0y> If you love hacking, whether it's code or hardware, you'll love JS
01:15:13 <c0y> no way around it
01:15:17 <pzuraq> c0y: Do you use promises?
01:15:22 * joepie91 renames to #nodejs-commercial
01:15:25 <c0y> Now and then
01:15:32 <pzuraq> lol
01:15:36 <pzuraq> .then
01:15:48 <pzuraq> but yeah, what's the best library?
01:15:54 <joepie91> now && .then()
01:16:00 <c0y> A very difficult question
01:16:09 <pzuraq> joepie91: Your just jelly of async :p
01:16:22 <c0y> Python has hacker async!
01:16:29 <joepie91> pzuraq: given that I do a lot of evented I/O...
01:16:32 <joepie91> :p[
01:16:34 <joepie91> :P *
01:16:42 <joepie91> and am actually messing with Tornado now
01:17:06 <pzuraq> that's a python server correct?
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01:17:22 <joepie91> pzuraq: uh, sort-of-yes
01:17:27 <joepie91> it's.. well
01:17:42 <pzuraq> c0y: I was not aware
01:17:45 <joepie91> a web framework, HTTP daemon, evented/async i/o library, and general-purpose toolbelt for web stuff
01:17:48 <joepie91> a bit of everything really
01:17:57 <joepie91> but just the right amount of "a bit" to be useful but not bloated
01:18:06 <joepie91> (yes, Twisted, looking at you)
01:18:40 <c0y> pzuraq: anyway, you were debating whether to use Q or PromisedIO?
01:19:01 <iceTwy> uhoh
01:19:02 <iceTwy> interesting
01:19:11 <iceTwy> a developer.. who was a model for Victoria's Secret
01:19:20 <iceTwy> meet Lyndsey Scott
01:19:22 <iceTwy> http://stackoverflow.com/users/2274694/lyndsey-scott
01:19:38 <pzuraq> Q or an alternative, haven't heard of any yet. Or just stick with async.
01:19:49 <pzuraq> I heard Async was cool
01:19:56 <pzuraq> but I like promises
01:20:15 <c0y> Q is rather elegant, nobody can deny that
01:21:38 <pzuraq> indeed
01:21:43 <pzuraq> tis why I like it
01:21:43 <c0y> I don't think Q and Async can be compared though
01:22:09 <pzuraq> well, Async is less elegant but it makes dealing with normal callbacks a bit easier
01:22:38 <c0y> Exactly, that is why you shouldn't make it more complicated to make it look a bit fancier :-P
01:23:23 <pzuraq> so you'd say use Async and do normal callbacks instead of Q?
01:23:38 <c0y> In most cases, yes
01:25:16 <pzuraq> when would you use promises instead?
01:26:16 <c0y> When you think they're fancy in your opinion and help you develop code faster :-P
01:27:02 <c0y> I like it pure usually, I mean, why create 2 functions when you need 1? Such a waste :-)
01:27:16 <c0y> But I do have to say they look nicer
01:27:23 <c0y> But for me effeciency goes above everything
01:27:48 <pzuraq> so far I've just been mapping p to Q.nfcall
01:28:01 <pzuraq> then I do p(fn, args).then(...)
01:28:03 <pzuraq> but
01:28:08 <pzuraq> I agree on efficiency
01:29:52 <pzuraq> c0y: Ok, so I have a situation that I've solved with Q, how would I do this in Async
01:30:05 <c0y> You simply don't :-)
01:30:08 <c0y> Don't break what works
01:30:39 <c0y> If you could do it in Q, but have to actually think hard how you would do it in aysnc, then why do it?!
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01:31:05 <pzuraq> well I've never used async, that's why I'm asking you about this one
01:31:26 <pzuraq> I make an async call, and conditionally make another one
01:31:36 <pzuraq> so maybe 1, maybe 2 calls
01:32:03 <c0y> Can you solve your problem with Q?
01:32:16 <pzuraq> they execute in parallel, then when both are done (or just the one) I call a callback
01:32:29 <pzuraq> yeah, I use an array of promises then do Q.all
01:33:06 <c0y> well, there's async.parallel([array])
01:33:45 <c0y> But honestly, it's not about this OR that. You can use both!
01:33:55 <pzuraq> true
01:34:09 <pzuraq> the performance hit is the only thing that worries me about promises
01:34:16 <c0y> Unless you get paid by the hour you really don
01:34:26 <c0y> *'t want to streamline something that works just fine already
01:35:01 <pzuraq> well, we need our site to scale, and since we just started building it we are making choices
01:38:01 <c0y> I see.
01:38:43 <c0y> I have to go now, but I wish you good luck with finding the right solution :-)
01:38:56 <c0y> ( cc pzuraq )
01:39:12 <pzuraq> good luck to you too c0y
01:39:19 <pzuraq> thanks for the advice :)
01:39:30 <c0y> No problem, glad it was of use!
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07:58:32 <zxcvbnm> .bitcoin
07:58:32 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $719.50, 1 BTC = €577.59
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13:55:15 <iceTwy> catalyst drivers = no thanks
13:55:17 <iceTwy> god
13:55:18 <iceTwy> such a fucking mess
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18:20:32 <joepie91> mm
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19:55:55 <joepie91> .title http://safeandsavvy.f-secure.com/2013/11/27/yes-you-do-have-something-to-hide/
19:55:56 <botpie91> joepie91: Yes, you do have something to hide | Safe and Savvy
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