Cryto! 20 December 2013
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01:33:35 <Philosoraptor> http://www.bithits.info/crypto.php
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02:16:40 * DrWhat ■ 7 I went out at 02:16:49
02:16:40 * DrWhat is away: Sleep zZzZ XoXoX
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05:57:36 <monod> good mooorning
06:13:06 <joepie91> ohai monod
06:13:10 <dorotea> mawnin
06:13:16 <monod> ohai joepie91 !
06:13:35 <monod> you got me in the very moment in which I soon have to go :)
06:13:43 <monod> tomorrow I'm on holydayz!
06:13:51 <monod> from* tomorrow
06:13:55 <dorotea> tomorrow I write papers!
06:14:01 <dorotea> the last two!
06:14:02 <monod> papers?
06:14:05 <monod> academic?
06:14:07 <dorotea> yes
06:14:18 <dorotea> we do papers instead of final tests
06:14:30 <dorotea> so I've written 8 papers this week
06:14:30 <monod> oooh
06:14:35 <monod> uh
06:14:36 <dorotea> in the last 4 days
06:14:38 <joepie91> monod: have fun :)
06:14:42 <dorotea> 3 days?
06:14:43 <dorotea> fuck
06:14:44 <dorotea> lol
06:14:48 <dorotea> started tuesday morning
06:14:53 <monod> sounds like a bunch of stuff! dorotea
06:14:56 <monod> ye, joepie91
06:14:57 <dorotea> yus
06:15:24 <monod> there we go
06:15:28 <monod> time for the bus
06:15:52 <monod> cya friends!
06:15:59 <dorotea> go!
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06:16:04 <dorotea> oh jeez
06:16:18 <dorotea> might be getting close to genocide in central african republic
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09:23:44 <monod> hello!
09:26:39 <monod> any suggestions for something to do during holydayz? :D I'm thinking about learning how to program in C in linux, finally, or how to getmore acquaintanced to linux OS.. But maybe this is not something you can do in 15 days :D And, regarding C, university requires us to know and program in Java, so I don't know if it's a good idea.. But it might be a good idea instead, since Java is similar to C++...
09:27:17 <monod> Maybe: how to just improve my programming skill, coming from a long period of shutdown? And the answer may be: just program.
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09:53:50 <monod> A man crafts a new web portal and establishes trust with new users, helping them to get ahead socially by sharing personal and work details, habits, and preferences. He collects all of this data, allows targeted advertising, and even goes public. It's unbelievable that he gets away with this when identity theft has become rampant and not giving out personal information is top priority. In case you did not guess, the Top Dog social engineer is Mark
09:53:52 <monod> Zuckerberg, founder and CEO of Facebook. A billion people fell for his ruse. Remember, if you don't -pay- for the product you -are- the product.
09:54:17 <monod> from: cyberheist newsletter
10:27:26 <monod> gotta go!
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12:13:15 <joepie91> https://soundcloud.com/electro/liquid-emotions-by-neftanger
12:13:19 <joepie91> ^ very nice
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13:14:00 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02add ExpandTabsOnSave', '02Merge pull request #2508 from bubenkoff/masteradd ExpandTabsOnSave plugin' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/79c913b95e...1e71301a13)
13:47:36 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03nzbspider on branch 10develop: '02Monkeypatch compatibility fix for new urrlib3 connection module (sorry!)' (https://github.com/joepie91/nzbspider/compare/41666ddabc...911470cd47)
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14:34:45 <Charles> .bitcoin
14:34:46 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $686.00, 1 BTC = €536.41
14:35:17 <Charles> eek
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15:07:34 <Philosoraptor> http://www.bithits.info/crypto.php
15:10:23 <joepie91> Philosoraptor: changed the source yet? :P
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15:45:19 <DrWhat> http://i.4cdn.org/f/src/NOT_DEFECTIVE.swf
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15:52:18 <Philosoraptor> nah been replying to emails and such
15:52:29 <Philosoraptor> apparently im popular today
15:52:53 <Philosoraptor> who does blockchain use as their source ?
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16:02:13 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 5 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add jquery mobile 1.4 snippets', '02Update j.json', '02Update j.json', '02Update j.json', '02Merge pull request #2512 from MobPro/masterAdd jquery mobile 1.4 snippets' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/1e71301a13...c83f72b917)
16:02:34 <Philosoraptor> I'm checking various exchanges
16:02:42 <Philosoraptor> I'll use the next most accurate price
16:09:14 <joepie91> Philosoraptor: blockchain ticker is weighted averages
16:09:16 <joepie91> of all exchanges
16:09:20 <joepie91> ie. weighted by transaction volume
16:09:32 <joepie91> it is basically the most accurate number you're going to get
16:09:33 <joepie91> lol
16:09:38 <Philosoraptor> interesting. does that avg exclude mtgox ?
16:10:02 <Philosoraptor> seems like it might
16:11:44 <joepie91> Philosoraptor: I don't think it does
16:11:49 <joepie91> it just uses all data I think
16:11:53 <joepie91> but again, weighted by transaction volume
16:11:59 <joepie91> so it'll compensate for the withdrawal issues
16:12:07 <joepie91> because that kills transaction volume
16:18:54 <Philosoraptor> I dunno, I dont think the mtgox price is necessarily not valid or false
16:19:01 <DrWhat> joepie91, To you, i bequeth...
16:19:08 <DrWhat> a boot to the head
16:19:16 * DrWhat throws a boot to joepie91's head
16:19:34 <Philosoraptor> so to exclude it purposely to keep your stated price low ... well thats not cool
16:20:12 <DrWhat> You shouldnt excluded mtgox
16:20:49 <DrWhat> racist
16:23:47 <joepie91> Philosoraptor: it -is- not valid
16:24:11 <joepie91> the exchange rate is supposed to represent what people are willing to give/take for a BTC
16:24:24 <joepie91> that is not what happens on mt gox
16:24:39 <joepie91> because there it is biased by the difficulty of getting govt currencies back out
16:24:48 <joepie91> thus it is 'contaminated' data
16:26:58 <Philosoraptor> ... pretty sure you can withdraw from MtGox just fine
16:27:06 <Philosoraptor> otherwise there would be a firestorm about it
16:27:19 <Philosoraptor> and the price of btc would plummet
16:34:08 <joepie91> ....
16:34:19 <joepie91> Philosoraptor: that firestorm you speak of has been ongoing for the past few months
16:34:28 <joepie91> and "the price of btc would plummet" is bullshit
16:34:32 <joepie91> there are more exchanges than just mt. gox...
16:39:06 <joepie91> ... sorry, what?
16:39:11 <joepie91> "We don't stand in the way of bitcoin's development, but we need a declaration from its users whether they expect any regulations to be introduced or rather prefer the government to stand aside", he continued.
16:39:18 <joepie91> (says Polish govt.)
16:42:32 <Philosoraptor> I dont namefag when I'm using BitCoins so I dont have first hand knowledge
16:42:33 <dorotea> dude
16:42:37 <dorotea> joepie91:) fuck yeah!
16:42:47 <dorotea> joepie91:) same parliament that showed up in guy fawks masks, fuck yeah
16:43:12 <dorotea> joepie91:) "we want you to tell us what the appropriate way to regulate this is, if at all"
16:43:31 <Philosoraptor> Pretty sure BitCoin users as a large majority would rather the Govt sticks to its dying fiat $
16:43:47 <joepie91> dorotea: I'm kinda confused as to how there is a government that's doing kinda sensible things
16:43:57 <joepie91> as far as we know anyway
16:43:59 <Philosoraptor> easy, Its not a western government
16:44:09 <joepie91> ... that doesn't really mean much
16:44:15 <Philosoraptor> non-western governments do sensible things all the time
16:44:19 <joepie91> like?
16:44:28 <joepie91> and this example doesn't count
16:44:38 <Philosoraptor> Iceland arresting its bankers
16:45:01 <Philosoraptor> off the top of my head not sure about others
16:45:13 <dorotea> iceland reforming its entire government based on a constitution written by the citizenry and not the former mp's, after arresting their bankers
16:45:23 <Philosoraptor> but the general impression I get is that UK, Canada, US and Israel stand alone on many issues
16:45:32 <joepie91> Philosoraptor: you could argue that Iceland is a Western countrty
16:45:35 <joepie91> country *
16:45:50 <joepie91> including culturally
16:45:51 <dorotea> nepal is in the process of transitioning from a monarchy to a constitutional democracy
16:46:02 <joepie91> dorotea: that doesn't mean much
16:46:10 <dorotea> no, like the people asked for it
16:46:11 <joepie91> in this context
16:46:13 <dorotea> so the king is doing it
16:46:33 <dorotea> they're close to a final copy of the new constitution after some 5 or so years
16:46:43 <dorotea> he's been touring it around the country asking for feedback
16:46:52 <joepie91> dorotea: and that monarchic government will then basically remove itself
16:46:57 <dorotea> yes
16:47:08 <joepie91> which is nice but also kinda defeats the point of "sensible government"
16:47:09 <joepie91> heh
16:47:12 <dorotea> he's leading the transition, of course, but he steps down when the new people are elected
16:47:32 <dorotea> oh yeah because monarchy is sensible
16:48:39 <joepie91> dorotea: no, what I mean is that the person making the sensible decision will no longer be the person making decisions
16:48:45 <joepie91> so the sensibility removes itself in that sense
16:48:59 * dorotea giggles at the liberal use of 'sense
16:50:46 * joepie91 ba dum tishes
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17:26:50 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02corrected the plugin name', '02added previous_names field', '02Merge pull request #2501 from lysisius/mastercorrected the plugin name' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/c83f72b917...e884be5655)
17:29:35 <dorotea> oh thank god medium is taking off https://medium.com/matter/d15b5801b79e
17:30:02 <dorotea> medium + matter + new redesign = gold
17:37:00 <joepie91> dorotea: want to see more awesome?
17:37:20 <joepie91> https://decorrespondent.nl/10/waarom-we-iedereen-gratis-geld-moeten-geven/384450-0b1c02bd
17:37:27 <dorotea> cannot dutch
17:37:30 <joepie91> doesn't matter
17:37:33 <joepie91> look at design/layout
17:37:38 <joepie91> note also the external references in the sideline
17:37:40 <dorotea> oh
17:37:54 <joepie91> and the inline comments
17:37:57 <dorotea> good
17:38:02 <joepie91> (the arrows)
17:38:13 <dorotea> Sites are moving towards that layout, which I am quite happy with
17:38:24 <dorotea> big images, inline comments, references and such
17:38:34 <joepie91> and uncluttered layout
17:38:36 <dorotea> with visual hierarchies enforced by logical structure and not arbitrary code
17:38:38 <joepie91> and more importantly
17:38:41 <joepie91> no goddamn ad slots everywhere
17:38:45 <dorotea> yeah
17:38:49 <joepie91> that is probably the single biggest readability killer
17:38:50 <dorotea> I'll /pay/ for that
17:38:51 <joepie91> in existence
17:38:51 <joepie91> ad slots
17:38:55 <joepie91> even if there are no ads shown
17:39:03 <dorotea> yeah
17:39:05 <joepie91> dorotea: that's actually the model that decorrespondent uses
17:39:11 <dorotea> extra shit on the sides, distracting from reading
17:39:12 <joepie91> 5 euro a month subscription
17:39:14 <joepie91> independent journalism
17:39:15 <dorotea> nice!
17:39:16 <joepie91> no ads
17:39:21 <joepie91> long articles like the one I linked
17:39:22 <joepie91> and best of all
17:39:23 <joepie91> shareable
17:39:29 <dorotea> my favorite was matter, which is who wrote the article I linked
17:39:38 <joepie91> you can share individual articles with others
17:39:43 <joepie91> even if they don't have a subscription
17:39:50 <joepie91> they can still read those shared articles
17:39:50 <dorotea> they were 1/mo so I subscribed for a year
17:40:01 <dorotea> I'm not too poor for 1/mo
17:40:06 <joepie91> lol
17:40:11 <joepie91> do they let you share articles?
17:40:20 <dorotea> they do now, they didn't
17:40:24 <dorotea> they were full paywall
17:40:31 <dorotea> now medium owns them
17:40:41 <dorotea> (bought or combined, Iunno)
17:40:55 <joepie91> heh
17:41:02 <joepie91> there should indeed be more outlets like this :)
17:41:06 <dorotea> but you could always download the article in like 5 formats (epub et all) and audio
17:41:08 <joepie91> with proper research and stuff
17:41:09 <joepie91> ah
17:41:23 <dorotea> yus
17:41:43 <dorotea> there needs to be a generic css for that
17:41:55 <dorotea> clean single column with sideshit only for references
17:42:02 <dorotea> and like 4 image slots
17:42:18 <dorotea> big huge, like the cover images on medium, and then wide/med/small for in-line images
17:42:42 <joepie91> mm
17:42:44 * joepie91 puts on todo
17:42:46 <dorotea> probably exists
17:43:01 <dorotea> but like, a generic one with self-documenting codes would be loverly
17:43:20 <dorotea> It's almost break so I could start on it, heh
17:43:30 <dorotea> but I need to finish my papers
17:43:32 <dorotea> e.e
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17:44:22 <joepie91> I should sleep
17:44:25 <joepie91> dorotea: night!
17:44:41 <dorotea> joepie91:) night!
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17:58:55 <DrWhat> Who the fuck is X?
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19:10:38 <DrWhat> Where did joepie go
19:15:34 <dorotea> to sleep
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19:38:17 <dorotea> awh, going to campus on the last day of term for dead tree sources
19:38:32 <dorotea> first hand accounts of a place during a time period e.e
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20:48:44 <mama> .bitcoin
20:48:44 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $618.19, 1 BTC = €469.90
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20:49:26 <macbeth> does anyone know of a bot tht can spam post submissions to wordpress?
20:59:04 <Philosoraptor> not off hand
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23:24:35 <iceTwy> eh, I'd forgotten
23:24:38 <iceTwy> no SASL on Cryto? :(
23:31:48 <Philosoraptor> LoraxLive now! http://radio.rootd.it:8000/listen
23:54:04 <onions> icewtwy