Cryto! 18 December 2013
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02:16:31 <dpk> where is joepie91
02:16:43 <dpk> he can't just go disappeating like that
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02:17:30 <dpk> *-ear-
02:17:38 <dpk> hehe, disappeating
02:18:02 * dpk . o O ( Uxbridge English Dictionary potential there )
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03:51:10 <Philosoraptor> http://gyazo.com/a4b546312ae389fc4463e6056513e2af.png
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04:39:47 <joepie91> Philosoraptor: heh, what'd that be then
04:41:49 <dorotea> heh
04:42:00 <dorotea> apparently icetwy hasn't listened to @ioerror
04:42:05 <dorotea> he's been calling the nsa stasi for years
04:42:29 <dorotea> I thought he was kind of a nutcase for a bit, and then we studied the determinants of fascism in school
04:42:35 <dorotea> and I went "oh, he's right. My bad."
04:43:57 <Philosoraptor> ss from person of interest s03e11
04:44:17 <Philosoraptor> interesting that it references actual classified programs
04:45:35 <dorotea> give continuum a watch too
04:48:53 <Philosoraptor> really? They got new ep out ?
04:49:04 <Philosoraptor> nop
04:49:19 <Philosoraptor> Continuum S02E12 480p HDTV x264-mSD 2013-08-07
04:49:38 * Philosoraptor is caught up
04:49:51 <dorotea> I wouldn't know lol
04:49:56 <dorotea> I watched 3 episodes and stopped
04:50:00 <dorotea> which is pretty average for me
04:51:01 * Philosoraptor either watches the hell out of a show, or hates it
05:00:27 * joepie91 <3 Continuum
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05:18:40 <dorotea> I don't watch the hell out of anything, so watching 3 episodes is nearly an endorsement
05:18:58 <dorotea> 3 episodes is vastly longer than the 12 seconds I usually make it
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14:31:39 <Charles> .bitcoin
14:31:40 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $563.00, 1 BTC = €438.00
14:31:46 <Charles> crash
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16:05:05 <Philosoraptor> http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/mittiron.gif
16:18:04 <joepie91> crash indeed
16:18:22 <joepie91> Philosoraptor: that seems like a terrible idea
16:22:42 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03cryto-status on branch 10develop: '02Switch to pubsub for over-the-wire communication, to prevent memory leaks' (https://github.com/joepie91/cryto-status/compare/0c87ee058c...a796725057)
16:24:15 <joepie91> oh man
16:24:23 <joepie91> about to roll out backwards incompatible change
16:24:31 <joepie91> inb4 tsunami of down notifications
16:26:50 <joepie91> su -c "cd /home/monitor/cryto-status/cstatsd; ./kill-stats && git pull && ./cstatsd&" monitor
16:26:55 <joepie91> oh, the awesomeness of running software from git
16:26:56 <joepie91> :0
16:26:58 <joepie91> :) *
16:28:12 <dorotea> lol
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16:33:59 <joepie91> http://owely.com/31d2IFr
16:34:00 <joepie91> lol
16:34:44 <joepie91> k so
16:34:48 <joepie91> now to update ccollectd
16:35:29 <staticsafe> :o
16:35:35 <joepie91> whoop
16:35:42 <joepie91> should now in theory have latest version running
16:35:44 <joepie91> everywhere
16:35:49 <joepie91> and no more memleak!
16:36:00 * joepie91 kills random service on random box to test
16:36:14 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ DOWN ] Service port on host blade.cryto.net reports that Tahoe-LAFS (3456) is down!
16:36:16 <joepie91> awesome
16:37:10 <joepie91> dorotea, staticsafe, had a stupid memleak
16:37:18 <joepie91> was using pull/push instead of pub/sub
16:37:32 <joepie91> result: disconnect = massive resource usage stats pileup in RAM
16:37:46 <staticsafe> I think its time to set up your monitoring code
16:37:47 <joepie91> until it eventually spirals out of control and cstatsd is killed
16:37:50 * staticsafe starts a VM
16:38:00 <joepie91> then the processing script has nowhere to dump its shit
16:38:06 <joepie91> thus it also starts queueing
16:38:08 <joepie91> and ballooning
16:38:11 <joepie91> eventually also OOMing
16:38:11 <staticsafe> oops
16:38:13 <staticsafe> haha
16:38:14 <joepie91> and boom
16:38:17 <joepie91> everything ded
16:38:18 <joepie91> lol
16:38:20 <dorotea> yay, cascading failures
16:38:24 <joepie91> that was kind of an architecture design oversight :3
16:38:30 <joepie91> but yeah, that should be fixed now lol
16:38:34 <iceTwy> fuck
16:38:35 <joepie91> pub/sub discards messages when no listeners
16:38:36 <iceTwy> this shit
16:38:36 <staticsafe> who monitors the monitors?!
16:38:42 <joepie91> staticsafe; working on that
16:38:44 <joepie91> watchdog stuf
16:38:45 <iceTwy> seriously
16:38:46 <joepie91> stuff *
16:38:49 <joepie91> still thinking about the exact design
16:38:52 <joepie91> iceTwy: hmm
16:38:53 <joepie91> ?
16:38:54 <iceTwy> 50 hard questions in a 3h30 final
16:39:00 <iceTwy> more than 50 actually
16:39:05 <staticsafe> iceTwy: what course?
16:39:07 <iceTwy> including a special exercise for AP students
16:39:10 <iceTwy> physics & chemistry
16:39:13 <iceTwy> are you fucking kidding me
16:39:13 <staticsafe> ouch
16:39:16 <staticsafe> have fun with that
16:39:20 <iceTwy> no
16:39:22 <iceTwy> I just got out of it
16:39:35 <iceTwy> and I'm pissed because physics/chemistry is the most important subject for me
16:39:37 <iceTwy> grade-wise
16:40:01 <iceTwy> plus I'm in the equivalent of the AP course
16:40:13 <iceTwy> so the last exercise for AP course students is always harder
16:40:16 <iceTwy> and different
16:40:23 <iceTwy> .
16:40:25 <iceTwy> ...*
16:40:54 <staticsafe> joepie91: i was about to start setting up Nagios again the other day but forgot how annoying the configuration is >_<
16:42:26 <joepie91> heh
16:42:39 <joepie91> staticsafe: all existing things seem either ancient, clunky, unpleasant or incomplete to me
16:42:46 <joepie91> or resource-heavy
16:42:51 <joepie91> so I figured this would be a nice thing to write myself
16:43:02 <joepie91> (that is, assuming I don't leave stupid memleaks)
16:43:06 <joepie91> (... >.>)
16:43:43 <Philosoraptor> http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/robot-handjobs-are-the-future-and-the-future-is-coming/5283e961fe34444eb70002bd?cn=tbla]
16:43:46 <Philosoraptor> http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/robot-handjobs-are-the-future-and-the-future-is-coming/5283e961fe34444eb70002bd?cn=tbla
16:45:02 <joepie91> anyway, staticsafe, if you have any questions, feel free to ask
16:45:07 <joepie91> also, you will need libzmq-dev
16:45:21 <joepie91> on slaves and masters
16:45:31 * staticsafe nods
16:45:40 <staticsafe> im setting up some local VMs for it
16:46:38 <joepie91> staticsafe: hmm, did I include an example nodefile for ccollectd?
16:46:59 <joepie91> config.yaml.example?
16:47:10 <staticsafe> yes it is in the develop branch
16:47:41 <joepie91> okay :)
16:48:25 <joepie91> <E>Congratulations on joining the botnet of which we call reality.
16:51:43 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ WARNING ] Service heartbeat on host monitoring.cryto.net reports that a blip occurred for grapefruit.cryto.net!
16:51:43 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ WARNING ] Service heartbeat on host monitoring.cryto.net reports that a blip occurred for grapefruit.cryto.net!
16:51:43 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ DOWN ] Service heartbeat on host monitoring.cryto.net reports that grapefruit.cryto.net is down!
16:51:43 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ UP ] Service heartbeat on host monitoring.cryto.net reports that grapefruit.cryto.net is now back up. It was down for 17 seconds.
16:51:43 <joepie91> <StatusBot> [ WARNING ] Service heartbeat on host monitoring.cryto.net reports that a blip occurred for grapefruit.cryto.net!
16:51:45 * joepie91 sighs
16:52:14 <joepie91> don't think I've seen a day where my urpad wasn't blipping
16:52:50 <joepie91> staticsafe: suggest artist
16:54:43 <staticsafe> joepie91: artist?
16:55:16 <joepie91> staticsafe: suggest an artist for musics :P
16:55:20 <joepie91> electronic musics
16:55:36 <staticsafe> joepie91: Squarepusher
16:56:52 <joepie91> staticsafe: hmm.
16:56:55 <joepie91> too monotonous
16:57:02 <joepie91> I like what is apparently called "complextro"
16:57:08 <joepie91> think pegboard nerds, savant, etc.
16:57:14 <staticsafe> hm
16:57:35 <staticsafe> joepie91: foxiepaws can help further
16:57:44 <joepie91> I would expect so, yes :)
16:58:11 <joepie91> will ask him later
16:58:35 <joepie91> foxiepaws is usually pretty verbose - which is helpful, but right now it's late and my brain is only taking in limited amounts of information
16:58:39 <joepie91> :P
16:58:45 <staticsafe> :)
16:58:49 <joepie91> so probably better to ask tomorrow when I'm more awake
16:58:57 <joepie91> and I can actually absorb and respond to what's being said to me...
16:59:46 <joepie91> okay
16:59:50 * joepie91 makes todo list for cryto-status
17:00:01 <joepie91> ... wait I already have one
17:01:30 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03cryto-status on branch 10develop: '02Update todo' (https://github.com/joepie91/cryto-status/compare/a796725057...d6b0fc2ad4)
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17:09:55 <dorotea> iceTwy:) :D
17:10:06 <dorotea> iceTwy:) don't rage, I'm writing 8 papers this week
17:10:26 <dorotea> which reminds me to get started
17:10:32 <dorotea> hehe
17:10:53 <iceTwy> lol
17:10:56 <iceTwy> well still
17:11:01 <iceTwy> this was a final
17:11:27 <iceTwy> but our teacher always puts up endless exercises
17:12:47 <dorotea> yay
17:12:55 <dorotea> yelling at online places for doing pagination
17:13:20 <dorotea> I didn't even know they did pagination, I've been reading the site for months now and never noticed the page numbers
17:13:30 * dorotea assails via mail
17:13:31 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02List Stylesheet Vars is compatible with ST3', '02Merge pull request #2497 from MaciekBaron/masterList Stylesheet Vars is compatible with ST3' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/f6ca1dde9e...b6e9583c0d)
17:15:06 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03cryto-status on branch 10develop: '02Spec out components' (https://github.com/joepie91/cryto-status/compare/d6b0fc2ad4...59ac723188)
17:15:09 <joepie91> staticsafe: ^
17:15:55 <joepie91> ah, githubs awesome tab handling in action there
17:16:00 * joepie91 sighs
17:16:07 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03cryto-status on branch 10develop: '02Update todo' (https://github.com/joepie91/cryto-status/compare/59ac723188...7efb3b3dd2)
17:18:14 <dorotea> wat
17:18:27 <dorotea> joepie91:) what is your shit with let?
17:18:58 <joepie91> dorotea: hmm?
17:19:24 <dorotea> I got posts in my mail because you moved them from let
17:19:38 * dorotea gets mail when you blog
17:19:55 <joepie91> ahh
17:20:00 <joepie91> oh, you're one of the two subscribers
17:20:01 <joepie91> ol
17:20:02 <joepie91> loo *
17:20:03 <joepie91> lol *
17:20:06 <dorotea> yus
17:20:08 <dorotea> :>
17:20:09 <joepie91> anyway, owners of LET are colocrossing
17:20:18 <dorotea> wat
17:20:20 <joepie91> and they are sly fuckers with scummy business practices
17:20:24 <dorotea> like, actual colocrossing?
17:20:25 <joepie91> yes
17:20:28 <dorotea> :O
17:20:36 <dorotea> yeah fuck them
17:20:38 <dorotea> lol
17:20:40 <joepie91> who have turned LET from a community into a billboard for their fucking datacenter
17:20:53 <dorotea> and it's not even a good datacenter
17:20:53 <joepie91> and are doing shady shit and lying at every turn
17:20:53 <dorotea> lol
17:20:55 <joepie91> well not lying really
17:21:02 <joepie91> just "not mentioning things strategically"
17:21:13 <dorotea> "lying by omission" is the phrase
17:21:15 <joepie91> ie. the form of lying that isn't called lying
17:21:16 <joepie91> yes
17:21:22 <joepie91> one of the ways to phrase it
17:21:28 <joepie91> anyway
17:21:31 <joepie91> that's their primary game
17:21:34 <dorotea> :/
17:21:39 <joepie91> now it seems they've also been involved in a fun identity fraud case
17:21:50 <dorotea> wow! much excite!
17:22:03 <joepie91> I'm honestly not sure how colocrossing doesn'tt have a file with every government agency in the US yet
17:22:04 <joepie91> but okay
17:22:14 <dorotea> also I met a guy who owns 10m dogecoin
17:22:26 <joepie91> I have 80m joepiecoin
17:22:31 <dorotea> :P
17:22:43 <dorotea> OH MAN
17:22:48 <dorotea> MOTHERBOARD BLOGGED ABOUT DOGECOIN
17:22:50 <dorotea> HAHAHAHAHAHA
17:23:00 <dorotea> (motherboard is a vice subsite)
17:23:10 <joepie91> dorotea: http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/17282/ugvps-offline-my-server-offline-more-than-5-days/p1
17:23:18 <joepie91> around 2/3rd the page it gets interesting
17:23:24 <joepie91> http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/407823/#Comment_407823
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17:24:06 <joepie91> tleo == guy that worked for colocrossing and chicagovps (who are supposedly "independent companies" - sure...)
17:24:30 <joepie91> and it gets more interesting when it turns out that UGVPS' paypal account is in name of Chris Fabozzi
17:24:34 <joepie91> the owner of ChicagoVPS
17:24:38 <joepie91> and not Crystal Dale
17:24:42 <joepie91> who was presented as the owner of UGVPS
17:24:51 <Rhymnosorous> trippy
17:24:55 <joepie91> and whose identity appears to have been stolen by Thomas leonard
17:24:59 <joepie91> who just HAPPENS to be a friend of Chris Fabozzi
17:25:02 * joepie91 sighs
17:25:17 <joepie91> of course this is all a coincidence/lie/whatever the fuck the excuse of the day is
17:25:33 <joepie91> and nobody is guilty of anything
17:25:49 <joepie91> so yeah, dorotea, that's a primer on why you should avoid colocrossing like the plague
17:26:44 <dorotea> that's some shit
17:27:07 <joepie91> dorotea; that's actually only the tip of the iceberg
17:27:29 <joepie91> because apparently jon biloh - who owns colocrossing - has a father who is ALSO named jon biloh
17:27:42 <dorotea> er
17:27:43 <joepie91> and supposedly there's quite some shit in his name
17:27:53 <dorotea> is the father dead?
17:27:56 <dorotea> lol
17:27:57 <joepie91> of course everybody else is none the wiser because everything says "jon biloh"
17:27:58 <joepie91> no
17:28:19 <dorotea> agh
17:28:26 <joepie91> anyway, this isn't even touching on the amount of companies that appear to be shell companies of colocrossing
17:28:29 <dorotea> why is an infrastructure provider being run by a crime family
17:28:29 <joepie91> but are denied to be such
17:28:29 <dorotea> lol
17:28:35 <joepie91> yeah, nfi
17:28:42 <joepie91> most of LET is at colocrossing now
17:28:44 <joepie91> not even kidding
17:28:46 <dorotea> I mean, do this shit with drugs or something
17:28:52 <dorotea> but not interbutts
17:28:57 <joepie91> I think like half of the LET-advertising providers now host at colocrossing
17:29:05 <dorotea> that smells foul
17:29:09 <joepie91> oh, and there are (entirely unproven) claims of DDoS extortion from colocrossing also
17:29:20 <dorotea> yeah
17:29:21 <joepie91> DDoSing hosts, then offering "protection against attacks" on their own network
17:29:24 <dorotea> if the glove fits
17:29:25 <joepie91> but those are unproven as of yet
17:29:29 <joepie91> though it seems in line with the rest
17:29:37 <joepie91> and explains quite a few events
17:29:38 <joepie91> also
17:29:41 <joepie91> <dorotea>that smells foul
17:29:57 <joepie91> it's colocrossing basically co-opting the largest low end VPS community
17:30:07 <joepie91> to work as a covert advertisment for them
17:30:23 <joepie91> hell, jon calls it an "asset", a "property", and a "business decision"
17:30:25 <joepie91> that should tell you enough
17:30:33 <joepie91> anyway
17:30:34 <dorotea> oh, that's right
17:30:37 <dorotea> when was that purchase
17:30:48 <dorotea> cause it got bought or transferred or whatever
17:30:49 <joepie91> there is DEFINITELY conflict of interest there, not to mention possibly antitrust violations
17:30:50 <joepie91> err
17:30:50 <dorotea> I remember that shit
17:30:53 <joepie91> that depends on when you ask
17:30:56 <joepie91> not who you ask, when you ask
17:31:00 <dorotea> wat
17:31:03 <joepie91> since CC seems to change their story every week
17:31:19 <joepie91> but most reliable information points at 'about a year ago'
17:31:19 <dorotea> so, conservative assumption: from the start
17:31:33 <joepie91> of course they only admitted it in the past few months
17:31:41 <joepie91> while keeping up the facade of a different owner before that
17:31:48 <dorotea> hmm
17:32:01 <dorotea> It's silly because they're literally burning their name when they could win by being amazing
17:32:14 <joepie91> or #WINNING as chris fabozzi would spam at you
17:32:15 <joepie91> :p
17:32:20 <dorotea> lol
17:32:22 <joepie91> dorotea: you know what the most interesting bit is?
17:32:29 <joepie91> their network used to be awesome
17:32:37 <joepie91> like, genuinely impressive
17:32:39 <dorotea> yeah
17:32:46 <dorotea> I remember when they were good
17:32:51 <joepie91> and then they figured "lol easy money from these suckers", apparently
17:32:53 <dorotea> cc was on everybody's short list
17:32:58 <joepie91> all ethics went out of the window
17:33:01 <joepie91> and this crap happened
17:33:12 <dorotea> greeeeeeed
17:33:14 <joepie91> as far as I can tell, that is how things progressed
17:33:15 <joepie91> yup
17:33:16 <dorotea> :|
17:33:23 <dorotea> and sad pandas
17:33:55 <joepie91> (slightly related, oh sweet google SEO in IRC logs)
17:34:04 <dorotea> dorp
17:34:06 <dorotea> :>
17:34:15 <joepie91> buuuut yeah
17:34:20 <dorotea> you didn't write html links, should be fine
17:34:21 <dorotea> lol
17:34:43 <dorotea> man
17:34:49 <Rhymnosorous> http://www.torontosun.com/2013/10/25/que-boy-12-pleads-guilty-to-hacking-government-websites
17:34:54 <dorotea> it takes 2 months to get deployed by HH, and we still look better than cc
17:34:58 <joepie91> <a href="http://colocrossing.com/">scam company</a> server <a href="http://colocrossing.com/">rip-off</a> expensive <a href="http://colocrossing.com/">scam</a>
17:35:03 <dorotea> <3
17:35:06 <joepie91> :D
17:35:10 <dorotea> also
17:35:11 <dorotea> we're uh
17:35:16 <dorotea> soon to be on our second blade
17:35:36 <dorotea> each blade has 2 quad cores and 48g ram times 4 blades in each box
17:35:37 <joepie91> Rhymnosorous: very questionable story
17:35:38 <joepie91> and old
17:35:43 <joepie91> dorotea: :o
17:35:50 <joepie91> have a real connection yet? :3
17:35:54 <dorotea> yep
17:35:58 <dorotea> well
17:36:02 <dorotea> if you consider HE to be real
17:36:03 <dorotea> lol
17:36:04 <dorotea> some don;t
17:36:06 <Rhymnosorous> ya just sharing what im finding lul
17:36:06 <dorotea> :P
17:36:14 <dorotea> but ye
17:36:25 <dorotea> we're racked in hurricane electric, the new one with stable interbutts
17:36:44 <joepie91> heh
17:36:46 <joepie91> pure HE?
17:36:50 <dorotea> pretty much
17:36:56 <dorotea> I'm the only one running offsite shit
17:36:57 <dorotea> lol
17:36:57 <joepie91> Rhymnosorous: do remember the channel topic :)
17:36:59 <joepie91> dorotea: mmm
17:37:05 <dorotea> because lol failover
17:37:22 <dorotea> but yeah, once we fill this cab it'll be time for location 2
17:37:26 <dorotea> which will probably be eu
17:37:29 <joepie91> pure HE is... playing russian roulette with your connectivity :)
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17:37:38 <dorotea> works beautifully so far
17:37:47 <joepie91> yes, so does russian roulette before the bullet
17:37:47 <joepie91> :D
17:37:56 <dorotea> :D
17:38:13 <dorotea> It's pretty sweet tho
17:38:27 <dorotea> gotta get some customers for the second box heh
17:38:43 <dorotea> but most of our shit is running bare metal right now, cause fuck vps management
17:38:51 <joepie91> oh
17:38:53 <joepie91> dorotea
17:38:54 <dorotea> "you get a blade"
17:38:55 <joepie91> did you see VestaCP
17:38:58 <dorotea> nahp
17:39:10 <joepie91> http://vestacp.com/
17:39:12 <dorotea> any good?
17:39:21 <joepie91> a contender reveals himself!
17:39:36 <dorotea> they have xkcd comics on the homepage
17:39:37 <dorotea> I approve
17:39:41 <joepie91> haha
17:39:46 <dorotea> but does zxcvbnm approve
17:39:47 <dorotea> lol
17:39:50 <joepie91> seems built in a hacker spirit
17:39:54 <joepie91> that's usually a good sig
17:39:55 <joepie91> sign *
17:39:59 <dorotea> or any of the other wonderful asshats we have in here
17:40:00 <dorotea> lol
17:40:03 <joepie91> paging zxcvbnm and pzuraq
17:40:13 <joepie91> also vld and lysobit while we're at it
17:40:16 <dorotea> I'll take "yeah, it's not bad"
17:40:24 <joepie91> dorotea: compare it to cPanel
17:40:24 <dorotea> that's my bar
17:40:26 <joepie91> suddenly, it's magic
17:40:28 <joepie91> :P
17:40:34 <dorotea> I don't want to, I use cpanel
17:40:48 <dorotea> it makes me remember how unhappy I am with that state of affairs
17:41:15 <joepie91> hehe
17:41:25 <dorotea> OH GOD
17:41:25 <dorotea> WHY
17:41:27 <joepie91> also, dorotea: PM
17:41:33 <dorotea> OH GOD
17:41:34 <dorotea> WHY
17:41:40 <joepie91> oh jesus fuck
17:41:42 <joepie91> XMPP
17:41:43 <dorotea> WHY DO THEY HAVE YOU RUNNING SCRIPTS FROM THE INTERNET
17:41:44 <dorotea> WHY
17:41:45 <dorotea> WHY
17:41:45 <dorotea> WHY
17:41:56 * dorotea shoots face
17:42:01 <joepie91> dorotea: XMPP please
17:42:09 <joepie91> also, not any worse than running a tar.gz from the internet
17:42:10 <joepie91> er
17:42:12 <joepie91> contents in a tar.gz
17:42:15 <dorotea> :|
17:42:20 <dorotea> but it isn't even ssl
17:42:23 <dorotea> like
17:42:29 <dorotea> NO INTEGRITY
17:42:39 <dorotea> ha
17:42:43 <dorotea> gmail died, excellent
17:42:59 <dorotea> I changed my password for the first time in 5 years, so now none of my chats work
17:47:19 <joepie91> lol
17:52:01 <joepie91> .title http://poppopret.org/2013/12/18/reverse-engineering-a-furby/
17:52:02 <botpie91> joepie91: Reverse Engineering a Furby | Michael Coppola's Blog
18:05:35 <joepie91> time to sleep
18:05:36 <joepie91> night all
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18:17:20 <iceTwy> maaaaaaaybe I should learn Ruby
18:18:04 <dorotea> iceTwy:) everyone will give you shit for that, but it was my very first language
18:18:11 <dorotea> it's a joy to program in
18:18:25 <dorotea> it doesn't scale and it's very idiosyncratic, but jeez is it gorgeous
18:18:50 <dorotea> well written ruby look like a famous art piece, man
18:26:52 <iceTwy> yup
18:27:01 <iceTwy> languages like Python and Ruby are nice
18:35:42 <dorotea> hahaha
18:35:51 <dorotea> I don't speak german, but I can if you like! Ow!
18:35:52 <dorotea> NP: [Lady GaGa - Scheiße] [Born This Way] [1037kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6
18:36:05 * dorotea giggles
18:37:41 <iceTwy> erm
18:37:48 <iceTwy> r/bitcoin has the suicide prevention hotline pinned to the top as BTC drops $500 in value http://i.imgur.com/h9TXUbY.png
18:39:18 <dorotea> good
18:39:29 <dorotea> that's actually the correct response
18:39:52 <iceTwy> well that makes me smirk
18:39:55 <dorotea> when your net worth halves in 24 hours...
18:39:57 <iceTwy> but indeed it is
18:40:26 <dorotea> man
18:40:31 <dorotea> dogecoin is my favorite thing ever
18:40:44 <dorotea> fucking memes + money = #winning
18:40:52 <iceTwy> ahem
18:40:59 <iceTwy> you fuck doges then
18:41:01 <iceTwy> wow
18:41:06 <iceTwy> much disrespect
18:41:10 <iceTwy> shibe not happy
18:41:12 <iceTwy> very sad
18:41:15 <dorotea> so shibe. much hotness. many fucks. wow
18:41:18 <iceTwy> lol
18:42:24 * dorotea jizzes all over twitter
18:42:39 <dorotea> this is cool
18:42:58 <dorotea> twitter's going to turn into a realtime semiotics bridge and facebook is going to become the world's biggest news service
18:43:09 <dorotea> within a year
18:43:21 <dorotea> so excite
18:43:23 <iceTwy> well fuck me then
18:43:44 <dorotea> nobody's talking about it, though
18:43:55 <dorotea> too much short term view lol
18:44:13 <dorotea> anyway
18:44:24 <dorotea> facebook just hired an automated intelligence professor
18:44:32 <dorotea> to run their AI division
18:44:45 <iceTwy> o.o
18:44:51 <dorotea> and they've been slowly creeping out news pages
18:44:58 <dorotea> I've been waiting literally years for this
18:45:11 <dorotea> facebook in like 2009 or 2010 said they wanted to be a news distributor
18:45:16 <dorotea> maybe 2008?
18:45:20 <dorotea> shit was it that long ago
18:45:20 <dorotea> fuck
18:45:21 <dorotea> anyway
18:45:29 <dorotea> it's finally coming to fruition
18:46:17 <dorotea> they're gonna dick with the recommendation engines and shit, but that same tech is what distributes news to users
18:46:23 <dorotea> that's a thing already
18:46:32 <dorotea> and if it becomes good? they'll be the news homepage of 1.1b users
18:46:38 <dorotea> and they've got like 500m dau
18:47:20 <dorotea> twitter is partnering with media companies for realtime semiotics as well as featurephone providers in global south nations
18:47:43 <dorotea> so in the next two years, twitter will be on half the phones sold in the global south
18:47:50 <dorotea> perhaps more
18:48:25 <dorotea> they've only got 53m users in the US, their biggest market, and 17x million elsewhere
18:48:50 <dorotea> biggest market like "they get the most money from here"
18:49:08 <dorotea> but also, non-us markets increased from 17% to 25% revenues in the last year as well
18:49:20 <dorotea> share of total, which has increased sharply as well
18:49:28 <dorotea> it's like... they're going to do this
18:49:39 <dorotea> sounds like they're also opening the APIs back up a hair
18:51:07 <staticsafe> orly
18:51:23 <dorotea> yeah
18:51:38 <dorotea> it's necessary for this rollout into the global south
18:51:56 <dorotea> they have to give up some control over how twitter is presented to be present on feature phones
18:52:08 <dorotea> that's why they locked down the APIs in the first place
18:52:16 <dorotea> control over how the streams are presented
18:52:56 <dorotea> anyway
18:53:00 <dorotea> I'm betting on twitter, long run
18:53:12 <dorotea> facebook too, though not for the "social networking" aspects of facebook
18:53:41 <dorotea> it doesn't actually matter what facebook does, they have 1.1b users
18:54:36 <dorotea> the thing they need to do, and this AI prof will help them do it, is figure out how to learn from all the data they've got, and then apply it directly back into users lives by increasing convenience
18:54:41 <dorotea> that will "sell" really well
18:55:43 <dorotea> google is ahead of them on that front, though
18:55:53 <dorotea> because that's what google has turned into
18:56:00 <dorotea> machine learning to make things more convenient
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18:59:00 <DrWhat> Im on Win8 now :/
18:59:39 <dorotea> are you using it on a touch screen device?
18:59:50 <Philosoraptor> http://rt.com/news/greenwald-eu-parliament-testimony-424/
18:59:58 <dorotea> If you're not, you're going to have a bad time
19:00:24 <dorotea> hahaha fucking ggreenwald
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19:00:58 <DrWhat> woops, well that happened
19:01:03 <dorotea> G-G-G-GODLIKE
19:01:36 * DrWhat 14U15sin14g 14G15od-IR14C 14e15vo.147 14S15crip14t 14C15ode14d 14B1514y 14I15l-Kane14. 14G1514o 14G15e14t 14I1514t 14F15ro14m 14w15ww.godirc.t14k
19:01:40 <DrWhat> FUCKKKS
19:01:55 <DrWhat> Oòókey well this is gon
19:01:58 <zxcvbnm> does it work if i do it too
19:02:00 <zxcvbnm> G-G-G-GODLIKE
19:02:03 <zxcvbnm> awww
19:02:30 <dorotea> :<
19:02:31 <zxcvbnm> the god irc. is that like the god account from the movie Hackers ?
19:02:37 * dorotea hands zxcvbnm a cookie
19:02:42 <zxcvbnm> tyvm!
19:04:56 <zxcvbnm> I need a visual aid to help me understand cookies and session management
19:05:13 <zxcvbnm> I understand it mostly but I Need to drive it home
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19:05:49 <zxcvbnm> I also haven't really been able to find a best-practices for cookies/session management
19:05:56 <zxcvbnm> there seem to be a million ways to handle it.
19:06:22 <zxcvbnm> is it best to store session tokens/cookies in db w/ user?
19:06:24 <DrWhat> Auto Join On Connect Now Complete ....
19:12:57 <dorotea> I kept everything in ram because I had only one frontend box, if you have more you should probably be sharing the token around
19:13:25 <dorotea> which probably means either DB or keeping the tokens in a redis or some similar in-memory shared database
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21:09:19 <iceTwy> Offical NSA review panel's report is out
21:09:21 <iceTwy> http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2013-12-12_rg_final_report.pdf
21:09:28 <iceTwy> "LIBERTY AND SECURITY
21:09:30 <iceTwy> I N A CHANGING WORLD
21:09:32 <iceTwy> "
21:09:45 <iceTwy> 307pp
21:12:16 * dorotea saves
21:12:47 <dorotea> excellent, there's an executive summary
21:13:07 <iceTwy> "In an era increasingly dominated by technological
21:13:08 <iceTwy> advances in communications technologies, the United States must continue
21:13:10 <iceTwy> to collect signals intelligence globally in order to assure the safety of our
21:13:12 <iceTwy> citizens at home and abroad and to help protect the safety of our friends
21:13:15 <iceTwy> "
21:13:16 <iceTwy> dear report, fuck you
21:13:53 * dorotea laughs
21:14:00 <iceTwy> that
21:14:01 <iceTwy> is page
21:14:09 <dorotea> I'm on 14
21:14:14 <iceTwy> Protecting The Nation Against Threats to Our National Security.
21:14:20 <iceTwy> on page 11
21:14:24 <iceTwy> 2nd sentence
21:15:30 <dorotea> if you think we're actually going to pull the nsa's spy shit out of the rest of the world, you're kinda young and naive
21:15:43 <iceTwy> lol
21:15:48 <dorotea> I'm not kidding
21:15:49 <iceTwy> I'm fully aware that it won't just go away
21:16:01 <iceTwy> the NSA will just hide their shit better
21:16:01 <dorotea> it'll reduce
21:18:27 <dorotea> this is a legit middle ground
21:18:54 <iceTwy> well at least
21:18:58 <iceTwy> if the NSA keeps on spying
21:19:04 <iceTwy> let it stop arresting people over bullshit
21:19:07 <iceTwy> and misspoken words
21:19:07 <dorotea> "go back to using court orders, in public mostly, and private companies should be storing their own users data and not the govt"
21:19:09 <iceTwy> and opinions
21:20:43 <dorotea> yeah this isn't too bad
21:21:50 <dorotea> so far it refuses to define what national security concerns are
21:21:57 <dorotea> which also sort of leaves it at the status quo
21:25:55 <dorotea> pfff
21:26:08 <dorotea> huh
21:26:46 <dorotea> woo
21:27:05 <dorotea> recommendations: cut the legs out from under NSL's and fisc, also put a civil society advocate on fisc
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21:31:38 <iceTwy> my god
21:31:40 <iceTwy> dorotea:
21:31:42 <iceTwy> this is beautiful
21:31:44 <iceTwy> page 36
21:31:46 <iceTwy> recommendation 29
21:32:53 <iceTwy> & recommendation 4
21:34:30 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 5 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02phpmd and phpcs linters', '02fix sorting', '02fix donate url', '02fix sorting', '02Merge pull request #2499 from hd-deman/masterphpmd and phpcs linters' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/d09db44623...2659332c2b)
21:52:03 <dorotea> I'm writing a paper, I'll look at it later
21:52:15 <dorotea> applying the theory of the "banality of evil" to nsa
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23:17:56 <iceTwy> dorotea: this is a pretty good day for privacy
23:17:58 <iceTwy> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/12/one-small-step-privacy-one-giant-leap-against-surveillance
23:18:00 <iceTwy> .title
23:18:02 <botpie91> iceTwy: One Small Step for Privacy, One Giant Leap Against Surveillance | Electronic Frontier Foundation
23:18:06 <iceTwy> + offical NSA review panel report
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