Cryto! 7 December 2013

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00:25:17 <skill3r> ohai
00:39:16 <dorotea> ohai
00:47:50 <tintin> ohai
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01:01:00 <DrWhat> ohai
01:02:37 <joepie91> ohai
01:03:30 * dorotea warbles
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02:04:29 <iceTwy> BTC is falling down
02:04:31 <iceTwy> FUCK YEAH
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03:52:10 <DrWhat> I just got hit by a massive DDoS attack
03:52:10 <DrWhat>
03:52:14 <DrWhat> 15gbps
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05:03:09 <Charles> .bitcoin
05:03:13 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $761.01, 1 BTC = €553.84
05:10:24 <dorotea> hot
05:10:34 <dorotea> keep droppin' honey
05:13:11 <Charles> ^yeah
05:18:33 <DrWhat> its droping becuase somone posted 10,000 btc
05:31:42 <Charles> .bitcoin
05:31:42 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $735.00, 1 BTC = €544.57
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05:35:28 <skill3r> i share a must read if you are using bitcoins
05:35:34 <skill3r>
05:50:08 <DrWhat> Ehhh
05:50:15 <DrWhat> Bitcoin doesnt intrest me anymore
05:51:08 <DrWhat> I have 18 1DrWhat address
05:51:18 <DrWhat> I have BTC waiting to be used
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06:40:49 <dorotea> I feel like I'm the only person spending time aggregating good news sites' facebook pages, to make a one-off page of "like" buttons so you get decent news in your fb feed
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12:22:27 <Charles> .bitcoin
12:22:28 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $822.04, 1 BTC = €620.00
12:22:49 <Charles> aaaaand new currency Coincoin! :D
12:22:52 <Orbit2> I wonder how much more it will drop.
12:22:59 <Orbit2> lolwut coincoin?
12:23:09 <Charles> yes coincoin xD
12:23:20 <Charles> #coincoin
12:23:25 <Orbit2> dafuq is that
12:23:56 <Charles> spare change and lurking coins currency
12:23:56 <Charles> xD
12:25:38 <Charles>
12:26:02 <Charles> Orbit2, ^ 8D im so lame
12:26:31 <Orbit2> Oh lololol
12:26:53 <Orbit2> I'll take a picture of my coincoin wallet in a sec
12:26:58 <Charles>
12:27:28 <Charles> pizzahut accepts coincoin
12:29:52 <Orbit2> Aww shit nice wow look how far technology has come, pizzahut accepting coincoin
12:32:31 <Charles> ;D
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12:45:16 <joepie91> .title
12:45:17 <botpie91> joepie91: United States dollar almost doubles in value in a single day | The Coinion
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12:55:05 <Charles> .bitcoin
12:55:06 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $750.00, 1 BTC = €560.00
12:55:46 <Orbit2> Shit.
12:55:46 <Orbit2> wow
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13:19:56 <joepie91> sven@linux-rfa7:~/projects/cryto-status/cstatsd> ./cstatsd
13:19:56 <joepie91> {'service': 'process', 'initial': True, 'msg_type': 'up', 'unit': 'guake'}
13:19:56 <joepie91> {'service': 'process', 'initial': True, 'msg_type': 'up', 'unit': 'radiotray'}
13:19:56 <joepie91> {'service': 'process', 'initial': True, 'msg_type': 'down', 'unit': 'keepassx'}
13:19:56 <joepie91> {'service': 'process', 'initial': False, 'msg_type': 'up', 'unit': 'keepassx'}
13:19:56 <joepie91> {'service': 'process', 'initial': False, 'msg_type': 'down', 'unit': 'radiotray'}
13:19:58 <joepie91> {'service': 'process', 'initial': False, 'msg_type': 'up', 'unit': 'radiotray'}
13:20:02 <joepie91> looks like this works!
13:20:30 <joepie91> :D
13:20:54 <joepie91> now I just need to write a frontend..
13:48:58 <iceTwy> joepie91: woet ist dis
14:10:46 <joepie91> iceTwy: writing monitoring stuff
14:10:55 <joepie91> getting tired of things going down without me noticing
14:11:00 <joepie91> also, yay, just implemented a zeromq timer
14:12:26 <iceTwy> joepie91: erm
14:12:31 <iceTwy> there was this good thing
14:12:33 <iceTwy> monit
14:12:35 <iceTwy> isn't it
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14:27:50 <joepie91> iceTwy: everything I've looked at it is either a pain to set up, maintain, install deps for, or extend
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15:56:36 <joepie91> the import statement in this script is starting to look scary, heh
15:56:37 <joepie91> import zmq, msgpack, yaml, zmqtimer, binascii, nacl, sys
15:56:44 <connor> .bitcoin
15:56:44 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $735.00, 1 BTC = €571.00
15:56:47 <connor> yay
15:56:50 <joepie91> it's not far from being just random charactrs
15:56:51 <joepie91> characters *
15:57:14 <connor> oh this is why :/
15:58:19 <joepie91> it's always so cute to read stuff like this
15:58:20 <joepie91> "It's a bubble", he said, going on to question the financial value people had pinned on bitcoins.
15:58:21 <joepie91> "You have to really stretch your imagination to infer what the intrinsic value of Bitcoin is," he said. "I haven't been able to do it. Maybe somebody else can."
15:58:34 <joepie91> translation: "I'm calling it a bubble because I don't really understand it"
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16:11:38 <dorotea> well and that's gonna be fueled by this price drop
16:12:01 <dorotea> which is probably just some of china pulling out
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16:12:21 <dorotea> or people pulling out because of the official ban in china
16:12:30 <dorotea> kind of "oh, nevermind"
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16:15:34 <connor> I hope it doesn't suddenly go back up
16:22:00 <dorotea> if good news comes out it will
16:23:54 <joepie91> dorotea: uh, official banks ban *
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16:27:45 <skill3r> i have doubts about bitcoin and its true purpose
16:28:13 <skill3r> a few days ago i read an article in an argentine working on bitcoin directly in the project and raises some points
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16:29:37 <skill3r> what is purpose of bitcoin and how to someone could create bitcoin un win  some economically
16:30:02 <dorotea> joepie91:) I suspect the people putting their money into bitcoin in china were the 500k millionaires they've got, aka their upper middle class. In that case, official bank ban for them == ban in china
16:30:20 <skill3r> i used to want to pay everything with it but now i don't know
16:30:30 <joepie91> dorotea: the banks are banned from working with them, exchanges are not
16:30:35 <joepie91> I don't really see a problem with it?
16:30:41 <joepie91> skill3r: I'm not sure what your question is
16:31:17 <skill3r> be safe to invest in bitcoins?
16:31:40 <joepie91> skill3r: first of all, are you wondering about Bitcoin as a transactional currency, or as an investment?
16:31:42 <dorotea> "safe" "invest" are opposite terms
16:31:44 <joepie91> because they are two entirely different things
16:32:34 <zest> tss, you should buy the whole bussines to be safe as much as possible
16:32:35 <skill3r> as an investment and as currency
16:33:06 <joepie91> as an investment, it's the same as any other investment - there's a risk attached, that's -why- it's an investment
16:33:08 <skill3r> a year ago cost 130 dollars now the price is in heaven
16:33:14 <zest> currency not an asset, they not produce money this is can't be investments
16:33:17 <zest> only speculation
16:33:18 <joepie91> as a currency, ask what you're wondering about
16:33:31 <dorotea> the whole point of an investment is that you accept risk over doing nothing with the money -- you get paid for taking on that risk for a time period (ideally), the risk that you lose money or that it evaporates entirely.
16:33:35 <joepie91> zest: speculation is a form of investing
16:33:37 <skill3r> is clear that the risk
16:34:03 <zest> joepie91: speculation and investments two different matters
16:34:09 <skill3r> i share something
16:34:15 <skill3r>
16:35:05 * dorotea thinks speculation is just betting
16:35:19 <joepie91> skill3r: okay, so forget about investment for a bit
16:35:28 <joepie91> let's talk just about bitcoin as a transactional currency
16:35:32 <joepie91> what are you wondering/unsure about?
16:36:33 <zest> dorotea: true
16:37:22 <zest> joepie91: this currency should become more transparent and have less dirty deals like silk road
16:37:31 <skill3r> i fear a day bitcoin worthless
16:37:34 <zest> thats the way
16:37:43 <joepie91> ( )
16:37:45 <zest> right way
16:37:55 <joepie91> skill3r: why would bitcoins become worthless?
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16:38:03 <joepie91> zest: what you just said makes absolutely no sense
16:38:42 <skill3r> by the mystery that surrounds
16:38:44 <zest> joepie91: this my answer on your question if asked me
16:38:44 <joepie91> Bitcoin is as transparent as a currency could possibly be - everything is public, the source code, the transactions, everything - and Bitcoin itself has absolutely nothing to do with Silk Road
16:38:52 <joepie91> skill3r: what mystery?
16:39:38 <zest> joepie91: I know, but tell this guys who reads wall street journal
16:39:55 <joepie91> zest: I don't really see how it's relevant what the WSJ says?
16:40:22 <zest> joepie91: what we are talking about ?
16:40:31 <dorotea> zest:) the same guy who does illegal things as part of his day job, managing the zeta cartel's money in nyc
16:40:33 <skill3r> read this to understand me better
16:40:33 <skill3r>
16:40:34 <joepie91> that's what I'm wondering about
16:41:15 <dorotea> zest:) wanting a currency to be "cleaner" is a bullshit thing to ask. People use currency to exchange for goods, whatever they are.
16:41:31 <joepie91> skill3r: what about it?
16:41:49 <joepie91> I mean, the post gives pretty much no context
16:41:54 <joepie91> I have no idea what the problem is supposed to be
16:42:24 <skill3r> i just doubt is all
16:42:29 <joepie91> skill3r: doubt what?
16:42:33 <dorotea> ^
16:42:38 <joepie91> I still have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
16:42:45 <joepie91> you should really be more clear
16:42:54 * dorotea note that doubt is not a logical critique, but a "feeling"
16:43:19 <joepie91> I don't mind discussing Bitcoin or even just answering questions, but I don't really have time for an endless back-and-forth where I have absolutely no idea what the discussion topic even is
16:43:31 <zest> ))
16:43:33 <skill3r> forget it then i'll explain more time :/
16:43:35 <joepie91> if every other line I type is a question trying to figure out what you mean, that's probably not a good sign
16:44:20 <joepie91> skill3r: just try to get a proper explanation together, because all I see is somebody analyzing the early days of Bitcoin mining, and you saying you're "doubting" Bitcoin for a reason that completely escapes me
16:45:10 <zest> I didn't know about bitcoins transparency, just read news. WSJ  guys can destroy any currency
16:45:15 <skill3r> reason is that you do not know the story that shows this guy on your blog without knowing the subject can not talk it
16:45:56 <joepie91> zest: no, they really can't
16:46:04 <joepie91> skill3r: right, so explain it properly
16:46:20 <zest>
16:46:24 <skill3r> a quick summary says that the bitcoin price rose to as one day it will no longer cost what it costs today
16:46:25 <zest> thats really nice )
16:47:33 <zest> joepie91: might be you are couze not everyone even understand what actually bitcoin is. not a shirt of papper, but cryptographic key, that is mindblowing
16:47:53 <zest> * you are/you are right
16:48:43 <zest> shirt/piece ))
16:48:53 <zest> sorry for my eng I'm hurry up sometimes
16:48:59 <skill3r> and talks on various factors such as i think bitcoins not use a normal pc and towards mining that before public know it
16:49:37 <skill3r> and speech if the first block of bitcoins is not encrypted like the others has a special encryption
16:50:21 <skill3r> the first block was encrypted to 42 bits and which are known today are 32
16:50:41 <zest> NFC + bitcoins
16:50:49 <zest> thats the future guys in my view
16:51:52 <skill3r> and that the most powerful computer you would have used a normal person would have taken an  2 weeks and satoshi took 5 days
16:52:40 <skill3r> nfs + btc  +1
16:52:49 <skill3r> nfc*
16:54:40 <skill3r> satoshi think to finish almost a million bitcoins existed before mining
16:54:58 <skill3r> not yet used
17:07:50 <joepie91> would you look at that:
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17:40:04 <monod> joepie91, incoming PM!
17:44:37 <monod> by the way
17:44:41 <monod> I can tell you guys too.
17:44:54 <monod> uhm
17:44:58 <monod> a bit flooding-like
17:45:00 <monod> I'm sorry
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17:50:28 <dorotea> :<
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18:41:53 <DrWhat> joepie91
18:41:55 <DrWhat> Hi
18:42:01 <DrWhat> BTC droped to $500
18:42:02 <DrWhat> WOW
18:42:43 <DrWhat> joepie91 Love me
18:42:57 <DrWhat> I got hit by 15gbps last night :(
18:42:59 <DrWhat> Im hurting
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18:51:37 <joepie91> DrWhat: why would you do that
18:51:54 <DrWhat> I did nothing :(
18:51:58 <DrWhat> I promis
18:52:13 <DrWhat>
19:04:17 <Orbit2> Hai
19:04:47 <Orbit2> drWhat how are you measuring that DDoS attack?
19:05:43 <DrWhat> VPN can take 100Gbps
19:05:55 <DrWhat> Or well
19:05:59 <DrWhat> the switch port can
19:06:13 <DrWhat> that splits it up into 10 10gbps lines
19:06:20 <Orbit2> Ahh nice, what tool is it?
19:06:30 <DrWhat> Capsa
19:06:35 <Orbit2> ah nice okay ty
19:06:39 <Orbit2> also what vpn?
19:07:06 <DrWhat> Setup VPN
19:07:11 <DrWhat> Dedicated serve
19:07:12 <DrWhat> Dedicated server
19:07:15 <DrWhat> colocation
19:08:00 <Orbit2> Ahh fair enough
19:08:15 <Orbit2> I can't find caspa btw do you have a linK? Sorry :c
19:12:38 <DrWhat>
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19:29:00 <Orbit2> tyvm DrWhat
19:29:16 <Orbit2> Shiet did you pay for this?
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19:36:18 <DrWhat> yeah
19:50:58 <Orbit2> Ah damn nice
20:06:39 <complex> heh, just read about one dude picking up a wife with kids. they had a really nasty facebookchat and suddenly one day he gets a call from an unknown telephone. he doesnt answer and he gets textmessage right after that says its the wife's husband. "he assumes that he doesnt want to chitchat so he didnt return his call lmao
20:07:28 <complex> well, the funny part gets vanished with all my grammarmistakes, so whatever
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20:20:31 <joepie91> HA
20:20:34 <joepie91> so
20:20:35 <joepie91> who's awake?
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20:21:19 <complex> im asleep
20:21:21 <StatusBot> 0,4 [ DOWN ]  Service 2process on host 7localhost reports that 6keepassx is down!
20:21:25 <joepie91> ^
20:21:30 <joepie91> now let me start keepassx
20:21:37 <StatusBot> 0,3 [ UP ]  Service 2process on host 7localhost reports that 6keepassx is now back up. It was down for 15 seconds.
20:21:40 <joepie91> :)
20:21:53 * joepie91 closes it again
20:21:58 <StatusBot> 0,4 [ DOWN ]  Service 2process on host 7localhost reports that 6keepassx is down!
20:22:02 <complex> i am suspicious towards softwares such as keepass
20:22:08 <complex> is it opensource?
20:22:12 <joepie91> it can also monitor ports and basically anything you write custom code for
20:22:14 <joepie91> complex: yes
20:22:21 <joepie91> but keepassx wasn't the point
20:22:26 <joepie91> it's just something I happen to have running here
20:22:26 <joepie91> lol
20:22:30 <joepie91> and I made a test case for it
20:22:31 <dorotea> joepie91:) nigga I'm herrrr
20:23:00 <StatusBot> 0,3 [ UP ]  Service 2process on host 7localhost reports that 6keepassx is now back up. It was down for 1 minutes, 1 seconds.
20:23:09 <dorotea> hmm
20:23:30 <StatusBot> 0,4 [ DOWN ]  Service 2process on host 7localhost reports that 6radiotray is down!
20:23:35 * joepie91 twiddles thumbs
20:23:51 <StatusBot> 0,3 [ UP ]  Service 2process on host 7localhost reports that 6radiotray is now back up. It was down for 20 seconds.
20:24:20 <joepie91> so yeah
20:24:28 <joepie91> that thing will be monitoring cryto services
20:24:34 <joepie91> :)
20:25:20 <complex> hm
20:25:36 <complex> for christmas im wishing to solve the discrete log problem, for which i can break RSA
20:29:40 <Orbit2> loool
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20:54:30 <DrWhat> what
20:54:33 <DrWhat> the
20:54:33 <DrWhat> fuck
20:55:33 <Orbit2> ?
20:55:34 <joepie91> DrWhat: ?
20:55:50 <DrWhat> I love you joepie91
20:55:52 <DrWhat> :)
20:56:02 <DrWhat> Can i haz a tug
20:56:08 <Orbit2> everybody loves joepie91
20:57:58 * joepie91 hugs DrWhat
20:58:11 <DrWhat> :)
20:58:30 <DrWhat> Sends winky face insted of smily face
20:58:32 <DrWhat> ....
20:58:38 <DrWhat> GETS LAID!!!!
20:59:49 <Orbit2> lel
21:01:30 <joepie91> DrWhat: did you just sum up social contact over IRC
21:01:31 <joepie91> :P
21:01:59 <DrWhat> :D
21:02:06 <DrWhat>
21:02:17 <DrWhat> people who ddos me
21:02:23 <DrWhat> get they game publicly hacked
21:03:28 <dorotea> mmk, lovely
21:03:30 <joepie91> the channel rules, DrWhat
21:03:44 <DrWhat> Oh yeah
21:04:04 <dorotea> has facebook page of news sources
21:04:06 <dorotea> excellent
21:18:11 <pzuraq> joepie91: What's the best way to write XML and post it to a url using php?
21:19:39 <dorotea> he's going to say use json instead, but php has an xml extension
21:19:42 <Orbit2> DrWhat how did you know it wa them?
21:20:13 <DrWhat> I did an invetegation
21:20:20 <pzuraq> I don't have the option, posting to craigslist api
21:20:36 <joepie91> pzuraq: built in XML extension in PHP along with cURL, probably
21:20:42 <Orbit2> May I ask what the investigation consisted of? Just curious
21:20:50 <pzuraq> mmk
21:54:28 <pzuraq> joepie91: Best way to do html templating?
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22:05:18 <joepie91> pzuraq: that depends on what you mean with "HTML templating"
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22:06:28 <dorotea> mustache!
22:06:41 <joepie91> mustache?
22:06:42 <pzuraq> well, if I have some PHP vars on a page and I want to embed the values into the html is one thing. Maybe things like each loops and conditionals
22:06:49 <pzuraq> mustache is awesome :)
22:07:03 <joepie91> pzuraq: right, then just use any templater... Twig is apparently popular
22:07:05 <pzuraq> handlebars too
22:07:06 <joepie91> and well-supported
22:07:15 <joepie91>
22:07:32 <pzuraq> ooh wonderful :)
22:19:02 <Orbit2> Heading off now guys, Have a great night
22:20:24 <DrWhat> Guys anyone hear about that 16 year old boy thats been arrested asking the police where his mom was and he is hungry...
22:20:51 <DrWhat> Apparently He has down syndrom and he is spanding the night in a police cell
22:31:18 <staticsafe> o_o
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22:44:01 <DrWhat>
23:08:01 <joepie91> mmm
23:08:02 <joepie91>
23:08:06 <joepie91> I think I need to tweak it a bit more
23:08:06 <joepie91> :)
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23:12:23 <dorotea> haha
23:12:24 <dorotea> yes
23:12:37 <dorotea> perhaps only check once per second
23:12:38 <dorotea> lol
23:13:57 <DrWhat> lol
23:14:01 <DrWhat> writen in python?
23:15:29 <connor> .bitcoin
23:15:30 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $702.00, 1 BTC = €511.00
23:15:35 <connor> woah
23:15:41 <complex> is mtgox lagging?
23:20:59 <joepie91> 100.0 > 80 False
23:21:00 <joepie91> 33.3 > 80 False
23:21:00 <joepie91> 100.0 > 80 False
23:21:00 <joepie91> 18.2 > 80 False
23:21:00 <joepie91> whaaaa
23:21:10 <joepie91> dorotea: nah, it's just the output that's botched
23:21:14 <joepie91> but uh
23:21:17 <joepie91> why is the above the case
23:21:19 <joepie91> that's clearly wrong
23:21:19 <joepie91> lol
23:21:25 <joepie91> oh
23:21:25 <joepie91> derp
23:21:37 <joepie91> casting!
23:21:39 <dorotea> are you not casting
23:21:42 <dorotea> hahaha yep
23:21:45 <dorotea> I ran into that as well
23:22:06 <dorotea> I made sure to trim all extra chars off the number and then cast to int
23:22:12 <dorotea> which surprisingly worked
23:22:15 <dorotea> I was not expecting it to
23:22:16 <dorotea> lol
23:23:43 <joepie91>
23:23:45 <joepie91> that looks better
23:25:59 <lysobit> joepie91: mtgox fucked up yesterday
23:26:12 <lysobit>
23:26:39 <lysobit> ooops
23:26:42 <lysobit> wrong person
23:26:43 <lysobit> I mean complex
23:26:46 <joepie91> it's mt. gox, I'm not sure what you expected :P
23:26:49 <joepie91> and, right
23:26:55 <complex> fkdsjf
23:26:58 <complex> didnt mean mtgox
23:26:59 <lysobit> nu
23:27:00 <complex> clarkmoody
23:27:24 <DrWhat> whats this dat graph
23:27:25 <DrWhat> REPPEAT
23:27:35 <complex> now it seems to work thugh
23:27:41 <lysobit> [23:23:55] <lysobit> ;; market sell 10000
23:27:42 <lysobit> [23:23:56] <gribble> A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 6071873.8943 USD and would take the last price down to 551.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 607.1874 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 203.1956 seconds
23:27:42 <lysobit> [23:24:05] <lysobit> ;; market buy 10000
23:27:42 <lysobit> [23:24:06] <gribble> A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 8616432.9649 USD and would take the last price up to 1024.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 861.6433 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 213.4530 seconds
23:27:57 <lysobit> No resistance against the price going up; this crash wasn't caused by mass-selling but lack of buying
23:27:57 <complex> or, dunno, it lagged at 696-680 for some minutes
23:28:02 <joepie91> there, the duration is correct now:
23:28:06 <lysobit> unlike previous 2 crashes
23:29:39 <complex> so you would consider this a crash?
23:30:01 <complex> wont take many days before its up on 1100 again
23:30:01 <lysobit> "correction" is probably more accurate since it wasn't caused by panic selling
23:30:47 <lysobit> also, the current buy wall is incredibly thin
23:31:59 <lysobit> sell*
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23:40:12 <dorotea> so do the walls work counter-intuitively?
23:40:36 <lysobit> dunno
23:40:40 <dorotea> because your paste indicates to me that it was incredibly easy to take the price down, and incredibly hard to take the price up
23:42:43 <lysobit> I'm no economics expert, but I guess indicates there are more people buying than selling
23:42:46 <lysobit> guess it*
23:42:48 <lysobit>
23:42:58 <complex> economics is just psychology anyways. everyone is an expert :)
23:43:12 <complex> unless you say you arent of course :D
23:44:09 <lysobit> That graph would tend to indicate demand > supply atm
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23:45:50 <macbeth> joepie91
23:46:29 <macbeth> You around? Sorta a time sensative thingy...