Cryto! 29 November 2013
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00:55:49 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 15 commit(s) to 03InsertNums on branch 10rewrite: '02Added contributors to README', '02Fixed Oleg Geiers Twitter name', '02Updated Package name in README', '02access to Default Hotkey', '02Added InsertNums to tools menu', '02Added @anthillape to contributors list', '02Code cleanup (and adjust name)', '02Add expression evaluation capabilitySyntax is "<start>[:<step>][~<format>][::<expr>][!]"(e.g. `0~#010x::1<
00:56:50 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 1 commit(s) to 03InsertNums on branch 10master: '02Add preview for the input panelAutomatically updates and cleans up undo stack (works on cancel too).Also fixes a regression with alpha mode.' (https://github.com/FichteFoll/InsertNums/compare/abd92e64c2...cee78aabf5)
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06:43:49 <joepie91> .tw https://twitter.com/myley__/status/406311036342382592
06:43:50 <botpie91> is there a black friday deal for college tuition or is that not a thing (@myley__)
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08:58:32 <escape> ohai
09:14:06 <joepie91> http://i.imgur.com/7OQBDnO.png
09:14:09 <joepie91> hai
09:16:01 <MK_FG> Meh, it's missing ';
09:17:28 <MK_FG> I was surprised recently when I've seen new commit (py) importing re for just re.escape...
09:17:52 <MK_FG> Then checked where that re.escape was used, and sure enough - to escape value into sql query
09:18:09 <MK_FG> And that was inside django orm code (in models.py)
09:18:34 <MK_FG> Can't imagine what went through that comitter's head at the moment :P
09:18:50 <escape> .)
09:19:15 <MK_FG> Your nickname is very apt, sir ;)
09:23:52 <escape> :>
09:32:36 <escape> maybe even that was the intention when i choose it (.
09:49:00 <joepie91> <MK_FG>Meh, it's missing ';
09:49:06 <joepie91> perhaps their SQLi protection stripped those out ;)
09:49:27 <joepie91> <MK_FG>Can't imagine what went through that comitter's head at the moment :P
09:49:36 <joepie91> you'll have a field day looking at the code behind MySQLdb
09:50:29 <MK_FG> As in pypi module or the db itself?
09:50:56 <joepie91> pypi module
09:51:07 <joepie91> you know how DB-API mandates passing on parameters separately?
09:51:20 <joepie91> well, they -are- passed on separately... until it hits the actual database code
09:51:27 <joepie91> then it's escaped and string-concatenated
09:51:39 <joepie91> MySQLdb doesn't actually do parameterized queries, it just pretends to
09:51:46 <joepie91> and escapes/concats in the background
09:51:46 <joepie91> lol
09:53:29 <MK_FG> Heh, just like that PDO crap, apparently
09:53:51 <joepie91> MK_FG: no, PDO does actual parameterization
09:53:57 <joepie91> as does mysqli_ when you use it, apparently
09:54:00 <MK_FG> Amazing to which lengths people can go to avoid doing parametrization
09:54:15 <MK_FG> Not by default iirc - it was actually raised here
09:54:32 <joepie91> hm?
09:54:38 <joepie91> pretty sure that was a different thing
09:54:43 <joepie91> re: PDO
09:54:54 <joepie91> I vaguely recall a discussion about default PDO behaviour but it wasn't about parameterization
09:55:01 <MK_FG> And sure enough - you have to pass some param for pdo to not hack around that parametrization, even though it's freaking obvious from the docs that it should...
09:56:05 <MK_FG> http://stackoverflow.com/a/60496/1646435
09:56:17 <MK_FG> "Note that when using PDO to access a MySQL database real prepared statements are not used by default. To fix this you have to disable the emulation of prepared statements. An example of creating a connection using PDO is:"
09:56:40 <MK_FG> "$dbConnection->setAttribute(PDO::ATTR_EMULATE_PREPARES, false);"
09:57:52 <joepie91> eh
09:58:04 <joepie91> MK_FG: pretty sure that relates to prepared statements
09:58:05 <joepie91> not parameterization
09:58:13 <joepie91> they're not the same thing
09:58:30 <MK_FG> Why not?
09:58:45 <joepie91> prepared statements == pre-analyzed query optimization by the SQL server
09:58:54 <joepie91> especially useful if you run the same query a lot with different args
09:59:04 <joepie91> parameterized statements == query and parameters passed on separately
09:59:32 <joepie91> it's just that prepared statements require the abstraction behind parameterized statements because you can't optimize the query if it's string-concatted because you don't know what the query is and what the parameters are
09:59:41 <MK_FG> I think they are same from PDO standpoint - either it uses both or none
09:59:47 <joepie91> MK_FG: see above
09:59:49 <joepie91> it's a dependency thing
09:59:50 <MK_FG> http://php.net/manual/en/pdo.prepare.php - " PDO will emulate prepared statements/bound parameters for drivers that do not natively support them, and can also rewrite named or question mark style parameter markers to something more appropriate, if the driver supports one style but not the other. "
10:00:02 <joepie91> afaik with MySQL it doesn't do prepared statements by default, but it DOES do parameterized statements by default
10:00:18 <joepie91> (if the driver supports it)
10:00:21 <MK_FG> Should be easy to check with e.g. wireshark, actually
10:00:38 <MK_FG> But don't have php or mysql anywhere :P
10:00:44 <joepie91> will look at it later
10:00:46 <joepie91> busy with $dayjob stuff now
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11:16:35 <monod> hi there
11:16:44 <monod> loggy, pointer?
11:16:44 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-11-29#T11-16-44
11:16:50 <monod> thanks loggy
11:18:24 <monod> oh my, loggy has "ate" the %C in yesterday's logs, when I wrote colored characters
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12:28:25 <joepie91> .title http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1roulj/china_telecom_accepts_bitcoin/
12:28:26 <botpie91> joepie91: China Telecom Accepts Bitcoin. : Bitcoin
12:54:13 <lysobit> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10482816/Black-Friday-Bitcoin-users-get-hundreds-of-discounts.html
12:54:14 <botpie91> lysobit: Black Friday: Bitcoin users get hundreds of discounts - Telegraph
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13:36:35 <monod> quite afk
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13:40:25 <monod> actually
13:40:35 <monod> I think I will unplug internet
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14:16:31 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02ImageMagick now supports ST3 as well.', '02Merge pull request #2432 from Kentzo/masterImageMagick now supports ST3 as well.' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/7ac8782e7d...ed0a732393)
14:23:00 <joepie91> .tw https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/406427793853919232
14:23:01 <botpie91> Super-awesome #BlackFriday offer! Previously $0.00, now FREE! https://github.com/joepie91?tab=repositories #BuyBuyBuy #Consumerism (@joepie91)
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15:09:43 <connor> .bitcoin
15:09:44 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $1087.50, 1 BTC = €848.00
15:09:46 <connor> omg
15:09:52 <connor> I want it to come down
15:09:52 <connor> ffs
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16:04:13 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 1 commit(s) to 03InsertNums on branch 10master: '02Add stop mode (for numbers only currently)This allows to generate only to a specific number. If less numbers aregenerated than there are selections, the remaining regions are replacedwith an empty string (""). If more numbers are generated, all remainingnumbers are joined as multiline strings in the last region.A great example is `@i>100` which generates numbers from 1 to
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17:05:38 <orbit> Hey
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17:18:09 <orbit> Hey
17:32:23 <connor> .bitcoin
17:32:24 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $1094.16, 1 BTC = €847.00
17:32:32 <connor> hey ho
17:34:29 <lysobit> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf8wURH4xJ4
17:34:30 <botpie91> lysobit: Stop Looking at the Price of Bitcoin - YouTube
17:35:21 <orbit> Hey, how is everyone?
17:41:12 <joepie91> hai orbit
17:41:17 <joepie91> .welcome orbit
17:41:18 <botpie91> orbit: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off].
17:41:19 <joepie91> etc etc
17:41:21 <joepie91> :P
17:41:55 <joepie91> lysobit: haha
17:42:02 <orbit> Hey joepie
17:42:14 <orbit> I've always wanted to join this IRC finally decided to.
17:42:27 <orbit> .buffer 4
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17:51:39 <MrPinky> hi
17:52:31 <orbit> Hai
17:53:22 <MrPinky> whats goin on?
17:53:35 <orbit> Not much, you?
17:53:54 <MrPinky> just doing some bugfixing for work
17:54:01 <orbit> Ahh nice
17:54:04 <joepie91> ohai
17:54:08 <MrPinky> other then that nothin much
17:54:34 <orbit> joepie may Iask what langyage is botpie coded in?
17:54:43 <orbit> *language
17:54:48 <joepie91> Python; it's a modified phenny
17:54:54 <joepie91> http://github.com/joepie91/phenny
17:54:57 <joepie91> has a bunch of custom modules
17:55:11 <joepie91> also, orbit, out of curiosity; do I know you from elsewhere? :P
17:55:15 <orbit> Ahh nice, I've always wanted to write my own irc bot and I kno wa little python but a friend suggested I use perl.
17:55:16 <orbit> Nope :)
17:55:31 <orbit> I randomly googled your username one day out of boredom and found cryto.net
17:55:37 <orbit> Sounded like a place I'd like to visit.
17:55:44 <orbit> I'm not a great coder but meh I'm learning :P
17:56:25 <joepie91> ahhh
17:56:36 <joepie91> what languages do you use?
17:56:40 <joepie91> language(s) *
17:57:08 <orbit> Yeah. :) Nice to meet you by the way, PHP, Perl and Python, I started learning C but I didn't really get past the basics, had a lot going on not much time to learn to code
17:57:15 <MrPinky> hi joepie91
17:57:22 <joepie91> I see
17:57:42 <joepie91> orbit, you may find this a useful reference; https://github.com/ziadoz/awesome-php
17:57:59 <orbit> hecking it now.
17:58:06 <joepie91> and for Python, I'd recommend looking at "Learn Python the Hard Way", depending on how far along in learning it you are
17:58:25 <joepie91> I don't really speak Perl, but the currently-absent daemon does :P
17:58:32 <orbit> Fuck that's an awesome library
17:58:46 <orbit> Ahh fair enough , do you prefer ptyhon over perl?
17:59:05 <joepie91> yes :)
17:59:10 <joepie91> the Perl syntax and I are not friends
17:59:10 <joepie91> heh
17:59:19 <orbit> Sorry for my mis-spellings by the way, I'm on a svps and it's lagging like a bitch with my scottish internet.
17:59:23 <orbit> Ah fair enough.
17:59:56 <MrPinky> its lagging cause scottish drin to much
17:59:59 <MrPinky> drink
18:00:02 <MrPinky> :)
18:00:04 <orbit> lol true.
18:00:07 <orbit> :P
18:02:03 <joepie91> I think you might be the first scottish person we've had here
18:02:07 <joepie91> not entirely sure though
18:02:28 <orbit> lool I'm so proud :')
18:02:31 <orbit> lel
18:03:51 <lysobit> now I will read everything you type in a Scottish accent
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18:04:54 <lysobit> eBay Inc. (Nasdaq: EBAY) is considering accepting virtual currency Bitcion. Speaking on CNBC, Head of eBay Marketplaces, Chris Payne, said eBay was looking into it.7
18:04:54 <orbit> lel
18:09:39 <joepie91> lysobit: heh, really?
18:10:02 <MrPinky> joepie91
18:10:12 <MrPinky> you got an jabber server within cryto.net?
18:10:30 <MrPinky> or just irc?
18:10:36 <lysobit> apparantly [citation needed]
18:10:49 <joepie91> lysobit: apparently *
18:10:50 <lysobit> http://www.streetinsider.com/Management+Comments/eBay+Inc.+%28EBAY%29+Considering+Accepting+Bitcion/8934241.html
18:10:57 <joepie91> MrPinky: just IRC
18:11:03 <MrPinky> k
18:11:03 <joepie91> there's plenty of nice and stable XMPP servers
18:11:07 <joepie91> neko.im, dukgo.com...
18:11:19 <orbit> neko.im ftw
18:11:23 <joepie91> exploit.im, is-a-furry.org (no really)
18:11:39 <MrPinky> i know those but i believe in trusted connections
18:11:42 <orbit> I used to have an is-a-furry.org xmpp they also have a public chatroom
18:11:51 <joepie91> MrPinky: don't trust a provider, use OTR :)
18:12:05 <MrPinky> :)
18:12:16 <MrPinky> never trust anyone ..
18:15:51 <orbit> cryto should make a shell account system some time
18:16:38 <MrPinky> we are just talkin about that lol
18:16:58 <orbit> ahh nice
18:21:27 <orbit> joepie91: just checking, I saw in the wiki you allow bots,is this still the case?
18:21:40 <orbit> as long asthey are not anoying
18:22:48 <joepie91> orbit: depends
18:22:53 <joepie91> network-wide, sure
18:23:07 <joepie91> in this channel, only if there's no collision with existing bot commands (in particular botpie)
18:23:07 <orbit> In this chan?
18:23:13 <orbit> Ahh okay
18:23:14 <joepie91> botpie already does a lot
18:23:15 <joepie91> :p
18:23:15 <orbit> Got you.
18:23:34 <orbit> What exactly does it do ? :)
18:24:02 <joepie91> http://xeny.net/Phenny%20commands
18:24:16 <joepie91> plus .bitcoin, .whois, .lookup, and a few others I probably forgot
18:24:34 <joepie91> eg
18:24:37 <joepie91> .whois cryto.net
18:24:38 <botpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.he.net, ns2.he.net, ns3.he.net, ns4.he.net, ns5.he.net, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com
18:24:41 <orbit> Shit.
18:24:46 <orbit> Wow
18:25:11 <joepie91> (that uses pythonwhois, a WHOIS parsing library I wrote)
18:25:32 <orbit> I figured as much, I follow you on github xD
18:25:53 <MrPinky> brb
18:25:55 <joepie91> ahh :P
18:26:02 <orbit> ye :)
18:26:11 <orbit> Sure MrPinky
18:26:28 <orbit> is cryto quite active?
18:33:58 <joepie91> orbit: it depends
18:34:08 <joepie91> there are periods with a lot of conversation here
18:34:20 <orbit> Fair enough.
18:34:21 <joepie91> but so far actual development [of code] has sadly been limited
18:34:29 <joepie91> in part that's my fault for not fixing infra soon enough :P
18:34:37 <orbit> I much prefer quiet chans than messages ever 2 seconds lol
18:34:45 <orbit> infra?
18:35:15 <joepie91> infrastructure
18:35:24 <joepie91> things like the tahoe-lafs grid are still not fully operational
18:35:32 <orbit> Ah fair enough, once I get good at python I'll code some stuff under the cryto nam eif you want
18:35:34 <orbit> ahh I see
18:35:38 <joepie91> or rather...
18:35:44 <joepie91> the API for it isn't operational yet
18:35:46 <joepie91> the grid itself is running
18:35:50 <joepie91> and, great :)
18:35:51 <orbit> Ah I see
18:36:19 <orbit> Sorry to ask I saw a mention of it on the wiki but what is tahoe-lafs
18:36:27 <orbit> all I know is that it's an application you can install on debian lol
18:36:49 <MrPinky> https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs
18:36:54 <joepie91> http://tahoe-lafs.org'/ gives a good introduction
18:37:00 <joepie91> err, minus the '
18:37:06 <joepie91> it's one of those few projects that actually explain their project well :P
18:37:06 <orbit> ty guys :)
18:37:18 <orbit> Ahh nice that's always hlpful
18:37:25 <joepie91> see also https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/browser/trunk/docs/about.rst
18:37:33 <orbit> Oki
18:37:45 <orbit> Aww shit
18:37:47 <orbit> that's cool
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18:45:48 <orbit> joepie91 do you know a lot about servers?
18:47:17 <joepie91> orbit: very little about hardware, but enough about server management to not have stuff crash and burn
18:47:17 <joepie91> :P
18:47:29 <joepie91> (which is a decent amount, but definitely not an expert)
18:47:32 <orbit> That's actually what my question was about
18:47:37 <orbit> I just got my first VPS
18:47:50 <orbit> and could I ask, what steps should I take to secure it?
18:48:09 <IR601> https://projak.sx/secure/
18:48:10 <IR601> :)
18:48:15 <orbit> I was going to disable ssh password access and use it with keys only and run a rotkit checker and keep shit up to date
18:48:17 <orbit> Ahh! Thank you!
18:48:52 <MrPinky> also switch the default ssh port to something more higher like 2022
18:48:56 <orbit> Yeah iptables as well
18:49:03 <orbit> yeah I was thinking about that
18:49:05 <orbit> but
18:49:07 <orbit> I thought
18:49:15 <orbit> that since I was using jey auth I wouldn't need to change it
18:49:22 <orbit> but your probably right :)
18:51:18 <orbit> Thanks for the help guys :) I'm loving this server already
18:53:43 <joepie91> SSH port changing is kinda pointless
18:53:47 <joepie91> for securityt
18:53:50 <joepie91> security *
18:54:11 <joepie91> and it will break stuff that relies on SSH being on 22
18:54:13 <orbit> Ahh okay noted, is it still worth changing though?
18:54:17 <orbit> Ahh
18:54:17 <joepie91> (or make its use much more complicated)
18:54:18 <orbit> Got you.
18:54:23 <joepie91> not really unless you're on a REALLY low-spec box
18:54:26 <joepie91> and the CPU usage is a problem
18:54:37 <orbit> I got a 128MB and 1 GB one
18:54:46 <joepie91> RAM isn't important, CPU is :)
18:54:53 <orbit> Ahh
18:54:57 <joepie91> anyway, justt disable password auth system-wide and use SSH keypairs and you'll be fine with that
18:54:58 <orbit> Let me check
18:55:02 <orbit> Okay :)
18:55:04 <orbit> Thanks
18:55:15 <joepie91> depending on your paranoia you may also want to run an IDS
18:55:37 <orbit> My paranoia level is very high so yeah good idea
18:57:14 <orbit> Is there any IDS's you recomend?
18:59:56 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03InsertNums on branch 10master: '02Add stop expr to alpha mode (and reduce dupe code)Example: `a@p=='u'` or `d@_==10`', '02Change i in env to the actual i (there's still _)' (https://github.com/FichteFoll/InsertNums/compare/016fb4dbf1...a4eb9b2a1f)
19:00:36 <joepie91> orbit: no idea
19:00:36 <joepie91> :)
19:00:46 <orbit> Fair enough xD Thanks for all your help though
19:00:50 <joepie91> I would also not recommend running an IDS on the 128MB VPS
19:00:54 <joepie91> they tend to use quite a fair bit of resources
19:01:04 <joepie91> it'd likely make your 128MB commit suicide :P
19:01:06 <orbit> Noyted
19:01:10 <orbit> *Noted
19:01:17 <orbit> by the way I got the 1GB one for 20$ a year
19:01:17 <joepie91> IDS isn't very useful if it takes down your VPS
19:01:23 <orbit> if you want the offer I can send you it
19:01:25 <joepie91> I mean, sure, it technically protects it from compromise
19:01:25 <joepie91> but yeah
19:01:30 <orbit> Fair enough
19:01:38 <joepie91> orbit: I'm guessing it is in Buffalo?
19:01:39 <orbit> I only really use that for irc anywas
19:01:45 <orbit> London :)
19:01:48 <joepie91> wha
19:01:53 <joepie91> where'd you get that from
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19:40:16 <joepie91> pathetic: http://yoyogames.com/tech_blog/33
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19:59:44 <joepie91> hai iceTwy!
20:03:00 <iceTwy> hai joepie91
20:03:07 <iceTwy> joepie91: any good VPS offer to recommend?
20:03:11 <iceTwy> it's Black Friday after all
20:03:17 * joepie91 sighs
20:03:21 <joepie91> iceTwy: fuck black friday :C
20:03:42 <iceTwy> why? I love consumerism
20:03:52 * joepie91 raises eyebrow
20:03:54 <iceTwy> especially when consumerism includes humans fighting like cows over something in a mall
20:04:06 <iceTwy> i.e. #walmartfights
20:05:38 <joepie91> bleh
20:05:41 <orbit> ice
20:05:42 <joepie91> also, iceTwy, we downloaded Hyves
20:05:51 <iceTwy> that
20:05:51 <orbit> you can get a 1GB VPS for 20$ a month
20:05:52 <iceTwy> http://imgur.com/gallery/sF3OZgB
20:05:52 <joepie91> Dutch social network that's shutting down
20:05:55 <joepie91> we downloaded it :D
20:06:00 <iceTwy> orbit: that's way too fucking much for a VPS
20:06:03 <iceTwy> joepie91: congrats :D
20:06:06 <orbit> NOO
20:06:08 <orbit> wait
20:06:10 <orbit> sorry
20:06:12 <orbit> 20$ a year
20:06:14 <orbit> I got confused
20:06:23 <joepie91> iceTwy: we actually have like two days left
20:06:27 <joepie91> and we've run out of shit to archive
20:06:32 <joepie91> lol
20:06:38 <iceTwy> joepie91: hahaha
20:06:48 <iceTwy> orbit: atm I have no need for another VPS
20:06:49 <iceTwy> but I WANT A VPS
20:06:50 <joepie91> well not entirely true
20:06:51 <iceTwy> lol
20:06:53 <joepie91> there's a few other things
20:06:58 <joepie91> but no grabbing code for that yet
20:07:02 <joepie91> awaiting response from chfoo for that
20:07:18 <iceTwy> hmkay. so you've got a couple of days left right?
20:08:14 <joepie91> two
20:08:33 <orbit> l0l icetwy I could prolly give you a shell account
20:08:35 <orbit> on one of mine
20:08:43 <orbit> Not 100% sure but I think I could
20:08:50 <orbit> I don't use my smaller one tbh
20:10:25 <iceTwy> eh
20:11:34 <orbit> Best I can do :c sorry
20:12:16 <joepie91> iceTwy; XMPP?
20:13:33 <iceTwy> joepie91: yeah
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21:15:27 <joepie91> right
21:15:37 <joepie91> backup job running time for me to sleep and see tomorrow how it went
21:15:37 <joepie91> :p
21:15:44 <joepie91> comma after 'running'
21:16:44 <monod> oh, good night joepie!
21:16:55 <monod> so unusual for you to go to bed at this time
21:17:01 <monod> of* you
21:17:21 <monod> I'm going to afk now
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21:17:48 <joepie91> :P
21:17:49 <joepie91> goodnight!
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21:28:46 <zeniage> hey
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21:52:36 <iceTwy> hey there zeniage
21:52:45 <iceTwy> I sort of like this quote; "All great truths begin as blasphemies. - George Bernard Shaw"
21:53:00 <iceTwy> but to be honest, all great bullshit begins as blasphemy too
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22:16:50 <orbit> Heading off now guys
22:16:51 <orbit> NIght
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22:40:03 <monod> lol iceTwy
22:40:06 <monod> just read that
22:40:16 <iceTwy> monod: read wot
22:40:31 <monod> "All great truths begin as blasphemies. - George Bernard Shaw"
22:40:36 <monod> <iceTwy> but to be honest, all great bullshit begins as blasphemy too
22:41:11 <iceTwy> mwhahaha
22:45:28 <monod> g'night all!
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23:11:47 <spun> ciao rega
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