Cryto! 24 November 2013
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01:09:38 <iceTwy> MK_FG: much Russia
01:09:39 <iceTwy> very great
01:09:41 <iceTwy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJXfHpojHo
01:09:43 <iceTwy> .title
01:09:44 <botpie91> iceTwy: Lepsky JoyCaster - YouTube
01:10:06 <iceTwy> seriously though, what's up with Russian guitarists
01:10:14 <iceTwy> Feodor Dosumov, Sergey Golovin, Andrey Korolev
01:15:06 <nox> o.o
01:15:09 <nox> .bitcoin
01:15:10 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $829.51, 1 BTC = €610.20
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02:42:56 <asdf> .bitcoin
02:42:57 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $798.86, 1 BTC = €591.00
02:43:01 <asdf> they dropped by $30
02:43:03 <asdf> wow
02:48:56 <daemon> asdf,
02:48:57 <daemon> http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd
02:49:13 <daemon> just remove the mtgox bit for a general one
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03:16:10 <asdf> .bitcoin
03:16:11 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $799.00, 1 BTC = €576.80
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05:18:44 <Charles> yay ripple
05:18:49 <Charles> btc no moar
05:18:54 <Charles> just jk
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05:49:02 <Charles> .bitcoin
05:49:03 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $773.50, 1 BTC = €574.49
05:54:28 <MK_FG> Wow, new chromium ships with suid-root binary, in case you didn't think google was creepy as fuck before \o/
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06:34:36 <joepie91> MK_FG: it has done so for quite some time
06:34:54 <MK_FG> Yeah, I don't run it often
06:34:54 <joepie91> at least 2+ years
06:35:15 <MK_FG> Wat, fairly sure it didn't
06:35:15 <joepie91> friend of mine who does a lot of selinux stuff pointed this out to me before :)
06:35:22 <joepie91> it certainly did
06:35:43 <joepie91> I think his words were something along the lines of "security nightmare"
06:35:45 <MK_FG> Then it couldn't have ran on my system under apparmor profile I have
06:35:50 <MK_FG> Yet it did
06:36:03 <joepie91> idk, perhaps it has a fallback of some sort
06:36:06 <joepie91> had *
06:36:29 <joepie91> what the
06:36:43 <joepie91> http://owely.com/69peQh
06:36:52 <joepie91> I did not know this!
06:37:56 <MK_FG> Checked 2013-10-30 backup with 28.0.1500.11 - no chromium-sandbox suid binary there!
06:38:35 <MK_FG> Hmm, "Messages"?
06:40:33 <MK_FG> Totally agree with "security nightmare" btw
06:41:13 <MK_FG> If you're one of chrome team and think "hey, I know our code, it's secure, no bugs or backdoors there, safe to run as root!", guess it's fine
06:41:57 <MK_FG> They also set cap_sys_admin and cap_dac_override in a sandbox ns there, which is like woot-insta-root ffs...
06:42:37 * MK_FG now has -1 browser on this machine
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06:56:17 <Charles> .bitcoin
06:56:18 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $799.00, 1 BTC = €596.00
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08:38:01 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Improved normalization' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/e8b7742387...05d148fa7f)
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11:42:13 <joepie91> iceTwy! XMPP!
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11:44:47 <iceTwy> joepie91: yessir
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11:58:33 <padl0ck> Anyone awake?
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12:36:54 * joepie91 sighs
12:38:55 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 3 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Rename keys and get rid of null filling', '02Consistency!', '02Update testing data' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/05d148fa7f...c7775c51d4)
12:45:34 <connor> .bitcoin
12:45:34 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $789.40, 1 BTC = €597.00
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13:38:25 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03zippydoc on branch 10master: '02Support for bulletpoint lists and 1.1 release' (https://github.com/joepie91/zippydoc/compare/242f4b9331...fc3f2c3e3c)
13:40:20 <joepie91> whee
13:40:23 <joepie91> :D
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14:54:25 <joepie91> BOOM
14:54:33 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 20 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10master: '02Remove jwhois dependency, separate retrieval and parsing logic, implement registrant parsing for several registries, fix some other regexes, add test data', '02Fix eNom e-mail address parsing', '02jprs.jp support', '02Add x.it test case', '02Fix eNom and GoDaddy regex.... again', '02Remove surrounding whitespace in registrant data', '02Do not allow whitespace
14:54:36 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 3 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Update setup script', '02Bunch of fixes', '02Add documentation' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/c7775c51d4...d8c59429dd)
14:56:22 <joepie91> http://cryto.net/pythonwhois/ :D:D:D:D
14:57:18 <MK_FG> What do you use whois for?
14:57:27 <MK_FG> (I mean, the data)
14:58:05 <MK_FG> Can't seem to think of much use for it except automated abuse reports maybe or cybersquatting
15:00:06 <MK_FG> Hmm, maybe also as an ad-hoc geoip...
15:06:28 <joepie91> MK_FG: research, in my case ;)
15:06:39 <joepie91> it'll be used for an openNG infoserver module
15:06:47 <joepie91> ie. automated data retrieval and processing
15:06:48 <vld> .whois google.com
15:06:49 <botpie91> Domain 04google.com, registered on 041997-09-15T00:00:00 via 04MARKMONITOR INC., expires on 042020-09-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.GOOGLE.COM, NS2.GOOGLE.COM, NS3.GOOGLE.COM, NS4.GOOGLE.COM, ns1.google.com, ns2.google.com, ns4.google.com, ns3.google.com, contact e-mails are 04compliance@markmonitor.com, contact-admin@google.com, dns-admin@google.com
15:06:54 <joepie91> vld: still using old one
15:06:57 <vld> looks identical
15:07:00 <vld> won't update
15:07:08 <MK_FG> Oh, right, someone does that :P
15:07:16 <joepie91> vld: the botpie module hasn't been updated for new version yet, derp
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15:39:36 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Update s.json', '02Update s.json', '02Merge pull request #2368 from sublimebrasil/masterUpdate s.json' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/4004d1ea48...91fdc1037c)
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16:03:37 <joepie91> .whois cryto.net
16:03:39 <testpie91> Exception: The whois() method has been replaced by a different method (with a different API), since pythonwhois 2.0. Either install the older pythonwhois 1.2.3, or change your code to use the new API. (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pythonwhois/__init__.py", line 8, in whois)
16:03:41 <botpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com
16:03:45 <joepie91> oh, lol
16:03:46 <joepie91> oops
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16:04:52 <joepie91> .whois cryto.net
16:04:52 <testpie91> TypeError: get_whois() got an unexpected keyword argument 'normalized' (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/ipinfo.py", line 170, in whois_host)
16:04:53 <botpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com
16:04:56 <joepie91> :|
16:06:17 <joepie91> oh dear.
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16:08:13 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Fix for missing 'normalized' keyword argument in get_whois' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/d8c59429dd...910e74ab2b)
16:08:17 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10master: '02Fix for missing 'normalized' keyword argument in get_whois', '02Merge branch 'develop'' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/f0f2d5b52b...47d486f33e)
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16:10:11 <joepie91> .whois cryto.net
16:10:12 <testpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04not available, contact e-mails are 04['jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com']
16:10:12 <botpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com
16:10:16 <joepie91> whoop whoop
16:10:19 <joepie91> er
16:10:22 <joepie91> oh
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16:10:38 <joepie91> perhaps I should, like, follow my own upgrade instructions
16:10:38 <joepie91> and stuff
16:10:39 <joepie91> :P
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16:10:58 <joepie91> .whois cryto.net
16:10:58 <botpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com
16:10:59 <testpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.he.net, ns2.he.net, ns3.he.net, ns4.he.net, ns5.he.net, contact e-mails are 04['jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com']
16:11:05 <joepie91> mm..
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16:11:32 <joepie91> .whois cryto.net
16:11:33 <testpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.he.net, ns2.he.net, ns3.he.net, ns4.he.net, ns5.he.net, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com
16:11:33 <botpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com
16:11:37 <joepie91> whee
16:11:44 <joepie91> .whois gdns.re
16:11:45 <testpie91> Domain 04gdns.re, registered on 042012-06-12T00:00:00 by 04Ano Nymous via 04Internet.bs Corp, expires on 04unknown, nameservers are 04c.gdns.re, a.gdns.re, b.gdns.re, d.gdns.re, contact e-mails are 04info@internet.bs, anonymous@nowhere.xx.fr, afnicroleobject@internet.bs
16:11:45 <botpie91> Domain 04gdns.re, registered on 042012-06-12T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP, expires on 04unknown, nameservers are 04c.gdns.re, a.gdns.re, b.gdns.re, d.gdns.re, contact e-mails are 04info@internet.bs, anonymous@nowhere.xx.fr, AfnicRoleObject@internet.bs
16:12:00 <joepie91> yay
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16:12:49 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny on branch 10master: '02Fixed to use newest pythonwhois (2.x)' (https://github.com/joepie91/phenny/compare/4d34ea670a...c2e142616c)
16:21:01 <asdf> .whois google.com
16:21:02 <botpie91> Domain 04google.com, registered on 041997-09-15T00:00:00 via 04MARKMONITOR INC., expires on 042020-09-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.GOOGLE.COM, NS2.GOOGLE.COM, NS3.GOOGLE.COM, NS4.GOOGLE.COM, ns1.google.com, ns2.google.com, ns4.google.com, ns3.google.com, contact e-mails are 04compliance@markmonitor.com, contact-admin@google.com, dns-admin@google.com
16:40:02 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10master: '02Fix OrderedDict PyPi package support for 2.6' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/47d486f33e...3426714ffe)
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16:49:36 <joepie91> .whois cryto.net
16:49:37 <botpie91> Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.he.net, ns2.he.net, ns3.he.net, ns4.he.net, ns5.he.net, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com
16:53:40 <asdf> i wonder.....
16:53:43 <asdf> .whois irc.cryto.net
16:53:44 <asdf> lel
16:53:44 <botpie91> The domain 04irc.cryto.net does not seem to exist.
16:53:53 <asdf> awe. i was hoping it'd crash
16:54:18 <asdf> .whois 637279746f2e6e6574
16:54:19 <botpie91> WhoisException: No root WHOIS server found for TLD. (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pythonwhois/net.py", line 41, in get_root_server)
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16:54:39 <asdf> .whois %63%72%79%74%6f.net
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16:54:48 <asdf> LOL
16:54:51 <asdf> .whois %63%72%79%74%6f.net
16:54:52 <botpie91> WhoisException: No root WHOIS server found for TLD. (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pythonwhois/net.py", line 41, in get_root_server)
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18:19:14 <bregganfive> yeah
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18:22:35 <mikaa> fuck 0ff
18:22:41 <mikaa> cheers guys
18:23:09 <mikaa> gr33tz from china!
18:23:27 <mikaa> wh@t a fuckin place
18:23:34 <mikaa> damn namerver shizzness
18:23:41 <mikaa> *nameserver
18:23:48 <mikaa> thiz suckz
18:24:48 <mikaa> hope u r all well up
18:25:33 <mikaa> reading backlog
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18:30:44 <joepie91> ohai
18:30:49 <joepie91> and I am immediately going to sleep again :P
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18:32:34 <mikaa> hellow joepie91
18:33:52 <mikaa> going zo test tha pwhois
18:36:53 <mikaa> gn @all gmtl`rs
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20:11:47 <pzuraq> GODDAMN
20:11:57 <pzuraq> I want money now
20:12:32 <pzuraq> I need btc
20:13:04 <lysobit> No you don't
20:13:40 <pzuraq> want, need :P
20:13:52 <pzuraq> would very much like
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20:15:07 <pzuraq> I just want to got them before they go up more and I can't possibly afford them.
20:15:17 <pzuraq> Hold on to them for a few years.
20:15:24 <pzuraq> See what happens.
20:19:17 <pzuraq> lysobit: Where do you see the value of bitcoin in 5 years?
20:19:21 <pzuraq> .bitcoin
20:19:22 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $829.98, 1 BTC = €619.89
20:26:17 <connor> 829 :o
20:26:31 <connor> why is it going up and down wtf
20:26:46 <connor> I thought it would just drop
20:27:53 <complex> something happens at 1000, and then it will drop
20:28:10 <lysobit> pzuraq: minimum is that it will reach Apple's market capital and stops spreading in 2 years, $100,000 (100x value) per BTC, but if the exponential trend actually continues in 5 years (it's showing no signs of slowing down), then $1,000,000+. Disclaimer, I am biased because I own Bitcoins, but these estimates are mathematically reasonable.
20:30:43 <lysobit> It is difficult to predict if a technology will become mainstream adapted, but with stuff like this, I find it hard to believe otherwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKyqNSEwcc
20:32:06 <lysobit> It could also go to $0 :)
20:33:17 <lysobit> At this stage I don't really care. More for the all the amazing stuff that has become possible because of the decentralized/crypto technology that powers Bitcoin
20:34:09 <lysobit> http://namecoin.info/
20:40:49 <pzuraq> lysobit: I think 100,000 is very realistic, even with a pessimistic outlook
20:40:58 <pzuraq> which is why I want to buy now
20:41:40 <pzuraq> 10000% increase in value
20:43:26 <pzuraq> I will say that there's a significant possibility that another cc gains more marketshare if btc can't stabilize at some point. By that I mean maybe it grows, but not quickly enough to cause a deflationary spiral.
20:43:47 <pzuraq> even then, btc will be used as a gold standard most likely
20:44:22 <lysobit> If BTC can't stabilize, an altcoin growing will cause extra unstability in that altcoin
20:44:47 <pzuraq> ah, and the other big thing against btc is the transaction speed. It takes an hour to propogate, could be a weakness.
20:44:48 <lysobit> BTC will only stabilize when it gains mass adoption
20:44:56 <lysobit> What?
20:45:08 <lysobit> Certainly not an hour
20:45:31 <lysobit> I usually see my transactions on blockchain.info in seconds
20:45:34 <pzuraq> from what a friend who was explaining it to me said, it takes an hour minimum for a block to get hashed
20:45:54 <lysobit> No. Blocks are generated every 10 minutes
20:46:13 <pzuraq> mm
20:46:23 <pzuraq> ok, so perhaps he was wrong
20:46:27 <pzuraq> that's good then
20:47:49 <lysobit> Blocks are only to confirm transactions. In many cases, such as buying a Coke from Subway, you don't need any confirmations (no one is going to spent trillions of $usd on a double spend attack for a free Coke http://coinometrics.com/bitcoin/brix )
20:48:37 <lysobit> Also, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKyqNSEwcc
20:49:51 <pzuraq> lysobit: As for altcoin being unstable, same friends argument is more based on deflationary spiral. Value can grow, but it needs to grow slow enough that people will spend rather than hoard. If that doesn't happen then an altcoin that is slightly inflationary, or simply grows less quickly, could gain marketshare.
20:49:54 <lysobit> (though actually, you don't need to have 51% to do a double spend attack)
20:50:06 <pzuraq> I'm still debating with him over this
20:50:23 <pzuraq> also, that's awesome :)
20:50:28 <pzuraq> the video
20:51:00 <lysobit> pzuraq: The market does not care if a deflationary currency is better for the economy than an inflationary currency, they won't switch to an altcoin where the value of their money is constantly going down on that base.
20:51:11 <lysobit> err, worse for the economy*
20:51:18 <lysobit> basis*
20:51:47 <lysobit> Also, if it is better for the economy or not is debatable, as with the "hoarding" debate.
20:52:15 <pzuraq> Agreed, the more I think about it the more I disagree with him
20:52:35 <pzuraq> and in any case, if that were to happen that means btc value is growing too fast
20:52:51 <pzuraq> so... buy btc :)
20:53:43 <lysobit> Many argue that a deflationary currency is actually better for the world socially, since it will force people to spend their money wisely and we won't have so many environmental problems. 80 years ago light bulbs lasted 50+ years. Now light bulb companies sell light bulb that last 5 years to force people into buying a new one every 5 years
20:54:43 <lysobit> Maybe with a deflationary currency we won't have this: http://shoroc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/e-waste.jpg
20:54:58 <lysobit> I'm no economics expert, though.
20:55:39 <pzuraq> in some sense I am okay with planned obsolescence, if only because it forces us to upgrade. If cars didn't break down, there would be many people still driving cars from the 70s. Gas guzzlers polluting a lot
20:55:48 <pzuraq> same with lightbulbs vs LEDs
20:55:50 <pzuraq> but
20:56:01 <pzuraq> at some point we reach a peak in a technology
20:56:06 <pzuraq> consider the wrench
20:56:25 <pzuraq> There is little you can do to improve it
20:56:37 <pzuraq> so when one buys a wrench, they should buy it for life
21:01:35 <pzuraq> This is a problem that capitalism can't solve, but I believe the open source economy will
21:03:34 <complex> bitcoins may improve capitalism
21:08:20 <pzuraq> completely agree with that
21:08:28 <pzuraq> a lot of things may improve it
21:21:25 <complex> i didnt think about what i was saying btw, but it sounded like a cool thing to say
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21:24:01 <pzuraq> ?
21:24:16 <pzuraq> I mean, it was
21:25:45 <iceTwy> sometimes
21:25:50 <iceTwy> I just can't understand journalists
21:25:57 <iceTwy> or, well, " " "journalists" " "
21:25:59 <iceTwy> http://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2013/nov/24/vaping-smoking-e-cigarettes
21:26:03 <iceTwy> .title
21:26:05 <botpie91> iceTwy: Is 'vaping' really the best word for smoking e-cigarettes? | Society | The Guardian
21:26:33 <iceTwy> "vaping sounds worryingly like a form of sexual assault"
21:26:37 <iceTwy> .. ?!
21:26:41 <pzuraq> lol
21:37:12 <iceTwy> magnificent quote from @_cypherpunks_: Strong cryptography is my form to let passionate proponents of collecting mania know that I give permission to perpetually fuck themselves.
21:38:35 <pzuraq> heh
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23:07:57 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $809.06, 1 BTC = €599.99
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