Cryto! 22 November 2013

00:24:14 <DrWhat> I didnt buy at anything
00:24:19 <DrWhat> All mine are generated
00:24:24 <DrWhat> i kinda want to exchange
00:24:28 <DrWhat> or buy stuff with my BTC
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01:30:27 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
01:30:28 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $719.99, 1 BTC = €557.00
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01:53:39 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
01:53:40 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $720.00, 1 BTC = €555.00
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02:39:18 <joepie91> morning
02:39:20 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
02:39:20 <loggy>
02:40:20 <joepie91> oh... what?
02:40:22 <joepie91> uh *
02:40:26 <joepie91> 22:34:20 <complex> so it looks like bitcoin will be taxed from what i see
02:40:26 <joepie91> 22:35:44 <iceTwy> complex: who cares, LTC won't be
02:40:26 <joepie91> 22:36:19 <complex> yeah, thats what i was thinkig
02:40:42 <joepie91> 1. of course Bitcoin will be taxed, just like everything else is taxed regardless of whether it's government-mandated currency or not
02:40:55 <joepie91> 2. how would that be any different for LTC?
02:41:09 <joepie91> and I just noticed that neither of the two conversation participants are actually here right now so I guess I'll have to repeat that later
02:41:31 <asdf> joepie91: OpenSUSE or Debian?
02:41:39 <cayce> yes
02:41:45 <cayce> asdf:) yes.
02:42:01 <x> asdf: <3
02:42:22 <x> joepie91: o/
02:43:25 <asdf> lel
02:43:27 <asdf> x <3
02:43:29 <joepie91> lol
02:43:35 <joepie91> asdf: desktop or server?
02:43:41 <joepie91> ohai x
02:43:43 <asdf> joepie91: server
02:43:46 <joepie91> debian
02:43:53 <x> :)
02:43:58 <asdf> x is geh
02:44:12 * x slaps asdf
02:44:14 <x> r00d
02:44:17 * asdf cries
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02:44:23 <joepie91> opensuse is nice for desktop use, but a bit unnecessarily bulky for a server :P
02:44:30 <joepie91> and the ecosystem for debian seems better wrt servers
03:00:13 <asdf> I suppose
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04:17:05 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
04:17:06 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $711.99, 1 BTC = €540.22
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04:26:23 <tommykaine> joepie
04:27:56 <tommykaine>
04:40:23 <daemon> .bitcoin
04:40:24 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $707.02, 1 BTC = €540.00
04:40:36 <tommykaine> +40
04:40:39 <daemon> joepie91, you know that price is absurdly wrong right
04:41:11 <tommykaine> 1 bitcoint was 100 like 5 months agho right?
04:41:24 <daemon> tommykaine, bit longer than that
04:41:29 <daemon> but its been declared a legal currency by the US
04:41:35 <daemon> so price has rocketed in he last few days
04:42:11 <tommykaine> yeah after govment took down silk
04:42:34 <daemon> BMR and SMP have just replaced it anyway
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04:50:08 <joepie91> daemon: hmm?
04:53:43 <daemon> .bitcoin
04:53:44 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $705.99, 1 BTC = €535.00
04:53:52 <daemon> its currently 732 :o
04:53:56 <daemon>
04:58:19 <joepie91> daemon: you do realize that you're looking at the mt gox chart?
04:58:36 <joepie91> you're basically saying "THE OUTPUT OF .bitcoin IS WRONG BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE MT GOX RATE"
04:58:38 <joepie91> which makes no sense
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04:59:30 <joepie91> I'm not trying to output the mt. gox rate, so of course it's not the same as the mt. gox rate
04:59:36 <daemon> joepie91, ok
04:59:48 <joepie91> so no, it is not "absurdly wrong"
05:00:13 <joepie91> daemon:
05:00:18 <joepie91> weighted averages
05:00:35 <joepie91> I use the 15m average
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05:00:40 <daemon> ah
05:01:00 <joepie91> which is pretty much the most reliable metric you're going to get without explicitly blacklisting certain exchanges
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05:24:29 <joepie91> shot off an email to winamp
05:24:43 <joepie91> to A. ask whether shoutcast is affected by the winamp closure
05:24:54 <joepie91> and B. suggest releasing winamp source under an open license
05:25:59 <joepie91> let's see if they respond!
05:28:05 <daemon> joepie91, just use icecast lol
05:28:22 <daemon> and winamp its self can pretty much never be released under a closed source
05:28:29 <daemon> it uses to many licensed and proprietary plugins
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05:36:08 <joepie91> daemon: we'll see
05:36:15 <joepie91> also
05:36:15 <joepie91>
05:36:22 <joepie91> interesting read
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05:37:48 <daemon> this looks interesting
05:41:10 <daemon> hmm
05:41:11 <daemon> cool
05:41:53 <joepie91> .title
05:41:54 <botpie91> joepie91: How I Stopped Eating Food : Mostly Harmless
05:41:55 <joepie91> (for the logs)
05:42:06 <joepie91> daemon: he has a bunch of follow up posts also
05:44:30 <daemon> hmm
05:44:37 <daemon> no actual ingrediant list though
05:46:28 <daemon> I might go find out exactly what the body needs and try hack a batch u my self
05:46:33 <daemon> up*
05:46:58 <daemon> ah found it
05:47:01 <daemon>
05:47:31 <joepie91> daemon: afaik the final list for all sold variants isn't published yet, but will be
05:49:11 <daemon> joepie91, you going to give it a try?
05:49:37 <joepie91> considering DIYing it
05:49:44 <joepie91> but want to do sufficient research first
05:49:50 <daemon> tel me if you do I would love to key in with you
05:49:52 <daemon> share research
05:50:55 <joepie91> daemon: I'm going to ask around and try to find a dietist or similar first
05:51:07 <daemon> joepie91, I have access to those for free
05:51:30 <daemon> even specialist ones if needed
05:51:33 <joepie91> yes, but I don't :)
05:51:42 <daemon> well yeah that was kinda the point of sharing the research ;p
05:52:42 <joepie91> daemon: I'd want to have a dietist on stand-by that can do physical examination if necessary, ie. geographically close
05:52:49 <joepie91> this is not something I'd like to do remotely
05:52:56 <joepie91> nutrition isn't a game
05:53:13 <daemon> ah
05:54:22 <daemon> I do not see it as that risky in honesty
05:54:27 <daemon> if you miss something in your diet
05:54:32 <daemon> your body will tell you, you will not just drop dead
05:54:50 <daemon> but as you wish I will tell you how it goes over this end ^_^
05:55:04 <joepie91> daemon: that's how it works with natural food, yes
05:55:08 <joepie91> this isn't natural food
05:55:22 <joepie91> you could be missing something that you'd easily pick up with anything 'real food' you eat
05:55:24 <daemon> its the component parts of natural food
05:55:28 <joepie91> yes
05:55:48 <joepie91> but who knows how your body may or may not respond to something that you pretty much -can't- lack if you eat actual food every day
05:56:11 <daemon> I imagine it will just make you crazve a food associated with that protein
05:56:14 <daemon> like meat for iron
05:56:31 <joepie91> maybe, maybe not
05:56:40 <joepie91> it's not like there's terribly many people that have dropped food altogether
05:56:42 <joepie91> :)
05:56:57 <daemon> true but it still will be an awesome experiment
05:58:19 <daemon> joepie91, I think I would use a gradual degradation approach with it
05:58:26 <daemon> start with the mixture and 75% of what I normally eat
05:58:39 <daemon> and cut it down by 5% per day
05:58:48 <joepie91> daemon: you'd have to be very careful with that
05:59:01 <joepie91> and be perfectly aware of all the nutrients in every single bit of food that you consume
05:59:04 <joepie91> to avoid over-nutrition
05:59:05 <daemon> joepie91, im type 1 diabetic my main concern here is the carbs ;)
05:59:19 <daemon> I can deal with to many of them
05:59:24 <daemon> but not enough causes big issues
05:59:31 <joepie91> I mean every nutrient...
05:59:44 <daemon> joepie91, im not so worried about that
05:59:49 <daemon> people take multivitamins everyday
05:59:55 <daemon> your body just flushs what it does not need
06:00:03 <joepie91> you would need to subtract the nutritional values of every bit of food that you eat from your daily intake
06:00:04 <joepie91> ..
06:00:04 <joepie91> daemon
06:00:09 <joepie91> that is not how that works
06:00:24 <joepie91> ever wondered why you can get supplements for some nutrients but not for others?
06:00:34 <joepie91> body can only do that with particular nutrients
06:00:48 <joepie91> some nutrients become immediately poisonous if improperly dosed
06:00:52 <daemon> oh
06:00:53 <joepie91> it's really not all that simple
06:01:04 <daemon> I suppose the key here is then isolating the ones that become poisonous
06:01:13 <daemon> and making sure any meals consume contain non of very little of them
06:01:18 <joepie91> yes, but that is what i meant when I said
06:01:18 <joepie91> <joepie91>daemon: you'd have to be very careful with that
06:01:18 <joepie91> <joepie91>and be perfectly aware of all the nutrients in every single bit of food that you consume
06:01:18 <joepie91> <joepie91>to avoid over-nutrition
06:01:26 <joepie91> you'd have to adjust your mixture every day
06:01:30 <joepie91> based on what you have planned to eat that day
06:01:37 <daemon> not really I would adjust the diet not the mixture
06:01:42 <joepie91> taking into account any nutrients that your body is not able to just flush
06:01:45 <daemon> so it did not contain the poisonous elements
06:01:50 <joepie91> uh..
06:02:02 <joepie91> I think you're kinda misunderstanding what i mean...
06:02:18 <joepie91> there are nutrients that are essential and common in foods
06:02:24 <joepie91> but dangerous when overdosed
06:02:30 <joepie91> and/or poisonous
06:02:39 <daemon> yes
06:02:43 <joepie91> that is why you need to adjust your mixture, not your diet
06:02:44 <daemon> I understood exactly what you meant
06:12:40 <DrWhat> joepie91 Ily
06:12:44 <DrWhat> Lets have sexxies
06:31:37 <vld> can you guys take it in private
06:31:38 <vld> thanks
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06:37:08 <joepie91> ^
06:37:09 <joepie91> also
06:37:17 <joepie91> this is a perfect example of why I dislike the Python docs
06:37:18 <joepie91>
06:37:30 <joepie91> signal.signal lets you assign handlers for system interrupts
06:37:36 <joepie91> popquiz: what are the allowed values?
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08:38:03 <pzuraq> .bitcoin
08:38:04 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $708.69, 1 BTC = €540.38
08:39:33 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 19 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10feature/client-tide: '02Added python requirements to their own fileRequirements can now be installed using pip or easy_install. Therequirements file is requirements.txt in the root directory.', '02Updated readme about the new requirements location', '02Added both twilio and marrow.mailer as python packages', '02Merge pull request #1 from Novacha/feature/requirementsMove python requi
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08:40:06 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 20 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10feature/room-management: '02Merge branch 'feature/db-abstraction' into develop', '02Added python requirements to their own fileRequirements can now be installed using pip or easy_install. Therequirements file is requirements.txt in the root directory.', '02Updated readme about the new requirements location', '02Added both twilio and marrow.mailer as python packages', '02Merge pull
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08:51:13 <pzuraq> that is
08:51:17 <pzuraq> a lot of commits
08:51:33 <pzuraq> busy day i take it?
09:01:40 <joepie91> pzuraq: mm, merge
09:01:54 <joepie91> :)
09:02:13 <joepie91> anyway
09:02:20 <joepie91> I now have a development-environment-in-a-box
09:02:21 <joepie91> which is nice
09:06:23 <pzuraq> you still a PHP wizard?
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09:12:38 <Cryto213> Hi Guys how r you ?
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09:28:21 <joepie91> .welcome Cryto213
09:28:22 <botpie91> Cryto213: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off].
09:28:29 <joepie91> pzuraq: I do still use PHP, yes
09:28:35 <joepie91> starting to get increasingly familiar with Python
09:28:50 <pzuraq> good stuff :)
09:28:58 <pzuraq> I just started picking up Node
09:29:06 <pzuraq> JS is my first love
09:29:35 <pzuraq> but Python/Django are cool too
09:29:37 * joepie91 still doesn't like the clunkiness of JS
09:29:45 <pzuraq> heh
09:29:56 <joepie91> and I don't mean the inheritance model or the `this` context
09:30:00 <joepie91> I mean stuff like indexOf
09:30:15 <pzuraq> ah, that is rather annoying yes
09:30:25 <joepie91> I mean
09:30:25 <pzuraq> I typically abstract it out of my sight >.>
09:30:44 <joepie91> if("blah".indexOf("a") !== -1) { /* found */ }
09:30:48 <joepie91> wtf
09:30:55 <joepie91> why not just if("a" in "blah")
09:31:10 <joepie91> (and yes, this annoys me in PHP as well)
09:31:38 <pzuraq> I believe ES6 might support tha
09:31:39 <pzuraq> t
09:31:40 <pzuraq> not sure though
09:31:50 <pzuraq> Try Ember if you ever get a chance
09:31:55 <pzuraq> <3 Ember
09:32:41 <pzuraq> Note it's a frontend MVC
09:33:06 <pzuraq> anyways, need slee.
09:33:07 <pzuraq> p
09:33:14 <pzuraq> midterm tomorrow
09:33:15 <pzuraq> night
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10:01:34 <Cryto213> hi
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10:02:36 <Charles> ello
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10:28:53 <joepie91> .title
10:28:54 <botpie91> joepie91: Automattic Files Lawsuits Over Bogus Copyright Claims
10:29:11 <joepie91> looks like people behind are now sueing over false DMCA claims
10:29:13 <joepie91> about time!
10:29:14 <Charles> botpie91, ...
10:29:28 <Charles> yay wordpress
10:29:33 <Charles> i like wordpress :D
10:29:43 <joepie91> I'm pretty mixed-feelings about wordpress
10:30:41 <Charles> i used wordpress some time ago but deleted it when i found some weird search terms leading to my blog :/
10:31:11 * Charles is sad about deleting blog
10:36:46 <joepie91> deleting is bad
10:42:08 <Charles> but it could jeopardize my life D:
10:42:08 <Charles> lol
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11:22:30 <monod> hood morning.
11:22:51 <Charles> ohai!
11:23:02 * Charles doesn know what to say
11:23:06 <Charles> diff timezone :D
11:23:12 <monod> oh realy?
11:23:13 <monod> really*
11:23:20 <monod> here's midday
11:23:25 <monod> ftw.
11:23:27 <monod> :D
11:23:38 <Charles> haha :D
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11:42:26 <monod> Svajcer* !
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11:59:35 <iceTwy> ohai
11:59:50 <monod> welcome aboard
11:59:58 <iceTwy> on the lulz boat
12:00:01 <iceTwy> ahahaha
12:00:03 <iceTwy> yarr' a pirate
12:00:04 <monod> ehm ehm ehm
12:00:08 <monod> lulzz
12:00:16 <monod> aye aye!
12:00:53 <iceTwy> also, heh
12:00:59 <iceTwy> had some time yesterday
12:01:01 <iceTwy>
12:01:02 <iceTwy> .title
12:01:03 <botpie91> iceTwy: A simple Python script for the AUR. Based on the AUR API.
12:01:12 <monod> AUR?
12:01:14 <monod> .ohai
12:01:17 <monod> (lulz9
12:01:18 <monod> )
12:01:24 <iceTwy> yeah, Arch User Repository
12:01:28 <monod> oh
12:01:35 <monod> do you know/use arch linux?
12:01:37 <iceTwy> basically a place where Arch users can upload and maintain packages that are not in the official repo
12:01:42 <iceTwy> yeah, been using Arch for nearly 2 years
12:01:46 <monod> gooosh
12:01:53 <iceTwy> love it
12:01:54 <monod> so you can say if it's cool or not
12:01:57 <iceTwy> fuck yeah
12:02:00 <iceTwy> it rocks my mama
12:02:01 <monod> how about debian?
12:02:06 <monod> in comparison
12:02:18 <iceTwy> debian's sort of generic and tasteless
12:02:21 <iceTwy> arch is hmmmmmmmmmm
12:02:29 <monod> :)
12:02:45 <iceTwy> lots of support, customization, do-whatever-you-want philosophy
12:03:13 <monod> and is there a arch-like linux distro accepted by GNU philosophy?
12:03:18 <iceTwy> yeah
12:03:24 <monod> this is wonderful!
12:03:33 <monod> this is wonderful news*!
12:03:37 <iceTwy> Parabola GNU/Linux, a distribution based on Arch that prioritizes simple package and system management.
12:03:59 <monod> while you can also install commandline uber programs, right?
12:04:20 <monod> (I don't really know what simple package and system management means, btw)
12:04:45 <iceTwy> managing your packages with Arch is so easy
12:04:47 <iceTwy> pacman
12:04:49 <iceTwy> fapfap
12:04:54 <monod> eh but
12:05:05 <monod> I mean, I need a comparison
12:05:09 <monod> like, aptitude vs pacman
12:05:15 <monod> (correct?)
12:05:33 <monod> but I really, really, really
12:05:40 <monod> would like to learn linux
12:05:46 <monod> because that's the basic thing...
12:05:53 <monod> example:
12:06:07 <monod> I like emoticons on the terminal of Arch linux (iirc)
12:06:30 <monod> but, maybe, and I didn't know how to search, there may be a script that puts them in other linux terminals too
12:06:37 <monod> e.g., in Debian's
12:06:53 <iceTwy> oh so you're not using Linux?
12:06:56 <monod> I don't really know if Linux is all about "You need something? Google it."
12:06:56 <iceTwy> never used it?
12:07:01 <monod> hey :D
12:07:03 <iceTwy> hell yes it is
12:07:04 <monod> I use it!
12:07:16 <iceTwy> Arch is all about googling lol
12:07:25 <iceTwy> then the first result will often be "Arch Wiki
12:07:27 <monod> I have it on my computer for almost 5 years now
12:07:27 <iceTwy> "
12:07:29 <iceTwy> :p
12:07:31 <monod> windows is only for gamingù
12:07:33 <iceTwy> ah, good ;P
12:07:33 <monod> gaming*
12:07:51 <monod> yet if so things are
12:08:47 <monod> for me it is like not knowing linux
12:09:05 <monod> I mean, I can't walk by myself in anything if I always need internet
12:09:07 <monod> and I mean:
12:09:14 <monod> of course certain things are internet-only
12:09:24 <IR601> porn
12:09:29 <monod> but computer-management itself is not, at least I can do it without internet on windows
12:09:52 <monod> IR601, not if you're in a relationship :P
12:09:58 <monod> gotta go afk!!! :((
12:10:03 <monod> back in boh minutes
12:10:06 <IR601> im in one of those
12:10:09 <IR601> sux
12:10:10 <joepie91> ohai iceTwy
12:10:27 <joepie91> <joepie91>22:34:20 <complex> so it looks like bitcoin will be taxed from what i see
12:10:27 <joepie91> <joepie91>22:35:44 <iceTwy> complex: who cares, LTC won't be
12:10:27 <joepie91> <joepie91>22:36:19 <complex> yeah, thats what i was thinkig
12:10:27 <joepie91> <joepie91>1. of course Bitcoin will be taxed, just like everything else is taxed regardless of whether it's government-mandated currency or not
12:10:27 <joepie91> <joepie91>2. how would that be any different for LTC?
12:10:27 <joepie91> <joepie91>and I just noticed that neither of the two conversation participants are actually here right now so I guess I'll have to repeat that later
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12:13:38 <iceTwy> joepie91: don't have time to discuss atm but
12:13:44 <iceTwy> litecoin is a different currency than BTC
12:14:17 <Charles> ltc ftw
12:14:24 <iceTwy> so, LTC will only be taxed after Bitcoin, if it ever is
12:16:03 <monod> when they will become a "hot topic"?
12:16:24 <lysobit> The only difference between Litcoin and Bitcoin is that the mining algorithm is different and blockchains are generated every 2.5 minutes rather than 10, so sure, "LTC is a different currency"
12:16:27 <lysobit> Litecoin*
12:16:28 <monod> until someone will call them "online currency" and tax it altogether maybe :uhm:
12:16:56 <lysobit> Litecoin provides no actual innovation or new features over Bitcoin, so I don't think it will ever be a hot topic
12:16:57 <monod> lysobit, he referred to the concept, not to the mechanics, I think :D
12:17:14 <monod> "hot topic" as "main online currency"
12:17:28 <Charles> faster regeneration lysobit
12:17:35 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10develop: '02Make sure pip output is handled correctly', '02Merge branch 'feature/vagrant' into develop' (
12:17:35 <Charles> oh yeah
12:17:39 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10feature/client-tide: '02Make sure pip output is handled correctly', '02Merge branch 'feature/vagrant' into feature/client-tide' (
12:17:40 <Charles> sry just read
12:17:42 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10feature/vagrant: '02Make sure pip output is handled correctly' (
12:17:46 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10feature/room-management: '02Make sure pip output is handled correctly', '02Merge branch 'feature/vagrant' into feature/room-management' (
12:18:03 <joepie91> iceTwy: what?
12:18:04 <lysobit> Charles, which only benefits the early adaptors. It seems to me that the only reason why someone would prefer Litecoin to Bitcoin is if they are an earlier adaptor.
12:18:07 <monod> what is the purpose of this botpie feature?
12:18:20 <joepie91> iceTwy: you do understand that "Bitcoins" will not be taxed, but "cryptocurrency" or "virtual currency" will be?
12:18:26 <monod> know when someone works on github?
12:18:39 <joepie91> not sure what makes you think that Litecoin would somehow not fall under new taxation regulations
12:18:58 <joepie91> <Charles>faster regeneration lysobit
12:19:00 <lysobit> I welcome tax regulations on Bitcoins, actually
12:19:03 <joepie91> this isn't actually a feature
12:19:20 <joepie91> other than "whoo more granularity in confirmations" but the practical use of that is basically 0
12:19:52 <lysobit> In a typical retail IRL usecase, confirmation time is irrelevant
12:20:09 <Charles> soz
12:20:25 <Charles> just came back and my brain is over worked from happiness :D
12:20:29 <Charles> yayay
12:20:35 <joepie91> "The Litecoin blockchain differs from Bitcoin in that it generates blocks every 2.5 minutes on average (four times Bitcoin's rate). This means that merchants who accept transactions only 1 block deep get that confirmation quicker. However, it should be noted that more blocks are required to achieve the same amount of confirmation strength as Bitcoin (6 blocks of litecoin are not equivalent to 6 blocks of bitcoin).
12:20:36 <joepie91> Unfortunately, this increases the number of hashes that are wasted in mining since miners will be working from the non-best block more of the time."
12:20:44 <lysobit> Since not many people are going to do a double spend attack to get a free packet of crisps, it would probably be more time consuming to do the double spend attack
12:21:01 <joepie91> tl;dr that faster confirmation time isn't ACTUALLY faster confirmation time, just higher granularity
12:21:12 <lysobit> then would be the benefit of a free packet of crisps
12:21:13 <monod> anyways, joepie91, it seems to me that regulations come to things that do not already have been regulated and that may cause "excess of freedom of use", don't you think so?
12:21:24 <joepie91> monod: I'm not sure what you mean
12:21:28 <monod> ok xD
12:21:33 <monod> I will re-elaborate
12:21:35 <joepie91> also, yes, the purpose of the botpie github feature is to announce what people are working on
12:21:36 <joepie91> :)
12:21:42 <monod> ohhh ok
12:21:43 <monod> thanks
12:21:47 <lysobit> Which people? :P
12:21:48 <monod> now I see
12:22:00 <monod> signed up in botpie's list
12:22:05 <monod> friendlist lol
12:22:12 <joepie91> <botpie91>Now watching GitHub for users joepie91, iceTwy, FichteFoll, cam1337, codetalkdev, shiny.
12:22:17 <joepie91> still needs per-channel user list
12:22:19 <joepie91> haven't had time for it yet
12:23:41 <Charles> botpie91 should become an intelligent bot
12:23:41 <Charles> yeah
12:24:00 <monod> even less time for it :D
12:25:32 <monod> botpie may become developable when a documentation of it may appear
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12:25:55 <monod> ping
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12:26:15 <monod> uh oh
12:27:11 <Charles> lolwut
12:27:22 <monod> sad ping issues
12:28:07 <joepie91> .tw
12:28:08 <botpie91> Looks like I'll be attending #DISH13 as Sous-Chef with Jason Scott (@textfiles)! (@joepie91)
12:28:18 <Charles> ._.
12:29:26 <monod> DISH13?
12:29:40 <monod> sous-chef??? :D
12:29:47 <Charles> dish?lmao
12:29:49 <joepie91>
12:29:57 <joepie91> yes, they seem pretty happy with the puns :)
12:31:24 <Charles> Thot it was some cooking show
12:31:34 * Charles is very very very amused
12:31:45 <monod> lol Charles
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12:38:28 * Charles is not sure where joepie91 is
12:38:38 <joepie91> Charles: ?
12:38:55 <Charles> r u on the site man?
12:39:05 <monod> not atm I think
12:39:08 <joepie91> not yet
12:39:15 <monod> oops, not yet* I meant
12:40:52 * Charles is gg to see joepie91's face
12:41:02 <Charles> just joking :P
12:41:38 <joepie91> you could just ask, you know :P
12:41:39 <joepie91>
12:42:43 * Charles is extremely amused
12:42:43 <Charles> HAHAHAHA
12:42:49 <Charles> HAHHAHAHA
12:43:04 * Charles doesnt know whther thats u
12:43:08 <Charles> ur hair grew
12:44:34 <monod> oh, of course you could have asked me as well! I always have a link in the bookmarks with joepie busy at home!
12:44:41 <monod> joepie91, Charles ^
12:44:44 <monod> (lol)
12:44:48 <monod> (lol lol)
12:44:57 <joepie91> Charles: yes, that is really me
12:45:03 <joepie91> and what do you mean 'hair grew'
12:45:04 <joepie91> :P
12:45:21 <joepie91> monod: lol wat
12:45:24 <monod> haha
12:45:35 <Charles> u look very different
12:45:40 <Charles> very very
12:46:43 <joepie91> Charles: from what?
12:47:04 <Charles> from photos on the net of u
12:47:40 <monod> you have to check out mine too
12:47:53 <monod> it is of a very rare facture
12:47:59 <Charles> ur acne is gone it seems
12:48:04 <Charles> and ur hair is horrible
12:48:15 <monod> omg!
12:48:45 <monod> (nevermind what I'm saying, back to "work")
12:50:11 <joepie91> Charles: you do realizes that any of the pictures used by media and such are easily... 5 years old?
12:50:13 <joepie91> if not more
12:50:34 <Charles> but but
12:50:39 <Charles> five yrs and..?
12:50:44 <Charles> that much change?
12:50:57 <joepie91> and the only real issues I have with my hair right now are that it's A. faaaar too thin but that's probably due to stress and B. a bit impractical, it's often in the way
12:51:03 <joepie91> Charles: much change...?
12:51:28 <joepie91> I really haven't changed all that much
12:51:28 <joepie91> :P
12:52:19 <Charles> is it normal for people in the netherlands to jeep their hair long
12:52:25 <Charles> keep
12:52:55 <monod> (jeep xD)
12:52:57 <joepie91> er, idk? I don't think it's any more or less normal than anywhere else?
12:53:07 <monod> exactly XD
12:53:13 <monod> country-independent
12:53:33 <joepie91> only place I can think of where it seems more common is scandinavian countries...
12:53:36 <Charles> uh no here in my country its either a- u r unkempt b-homeless -ancient old man
12:53:40 <Charles> xD
12:53:41 <monod> I noticed the change in topic though, "PUBLICALLY " vs. "PUBLICLY"
12:53:42 <Charles> haha
12:53:58 <joepie91> Charles: what a cultured place... :|
12:54:53 <monod> can someone help me understanding this English statement? "Reality takes a back seat to wishes and desires."
12:55:12 <monod> I need to read it with other words, kinda
12:55:54 <monod> is it like "Reality throws wishes and desires away, in the background"?
12:55:55 <Charles> wishes and dreams drive reality
12:55:57 <joepie91> monod: wishes and desires get precedence (ie. more importance) over reality in peoples minds
12:56:07 <monod> oh god
12:56:08 <Charles> no
12:56:09 <monod> now I see.
12:56:12 <joepie91> yes
12:56:13 <Charles> lol
12:56:26 <monod> wishes and desires stand before reality
12:56:37 <joepie91> yes
12:56:40 <monod> kthx
12:56:43 <monod> _D
12:56:45 <Charles> :/
12:56:52 <joepie91> Charles;
12:56:53 <Charles> i saw it differently
12:56:58 <Charles> haha
12:57:51 <joepie91> Charles: I double-checked it because of your disagreement and it really does mean precedence
12:57:51 <joepie91> :p
12:58:08 <Charles> bloody hell lol
12:58:11 <Charles> lmao
12:58:30 <joepie91> I'm not infallible, but I tend to be a walking dictionary :|
12:58:42 <monod> add hairy*
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12:58:51 <monod> ping ping ping!
12:59:03 <monod> joking btw
12:59:12 <joepie91> can be problematic also, sometimes I don't immediately realize that $other_person is probably not going to know a word I'm using
12:59:18 <joepie91> and I have to correct/clarify straight away :P
12:59:40 <monod> I see
13:07:28 <Charles> as long as u hv the skills, u have access to anyones secrets
13:07:39 <monod> no.
13:07:42 * Charles is liking this quote at the moment
13:07:44 <monod> still joking
13:08:13 <monod> depends on what you consider secret Charles
13:09:06 <Charles> monod, idk..its a quote from a show :D
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13:26:38 <monod> baaaack again
13:27:21 <monod> .tell monod Hey mate! I esteem you!
13:27:26 <monod> argh
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14:22:15 <joepie91> wrong syntax, monod :P
14:22:21 <joepie91> botpie91, tell monod that this is how it works
14:22:22 <botpie91> joepie91: I'll pass that on when monod is around.
14:25:35 <Charles> give botpie91 some artificial intelligence
14:25:39 <Charles> s:D
14:39:53 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02added sublimeBookmarks package', '02changed branch', '02Merge pull request #2400 from bollu/masteradd a better Bookmark system for sublimeText' (
14:40:22 <Charles> ohohoh
14:40:26 <Charles> youll find us
14:40:31 <Charles> chasing the sun
14:40:36 <Charles> :D
14:45:04 <connor> .bitcoin
14:45:05 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $759.88, 1 BTC = €556.41
14:45:11 <connor> wtf
14:45:59 <Charles> hHaha
14:46:03 <Charles> haahaha
14:51:02 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02add Kellys Color Scheme', '02add color scheme label', '02Merge pull request #2401 from maxhoffmann/masteradd Kellys Color Scheme' (
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15:14:58 <Charles> is it too late to watch the DrWho series
15:15:03 * Charles is wondering
15:15:41 * Charles is wondering whether to spend time watching some old shows and catching up to the new one
15:19:14 <joepie91> Charles: no, just start with season 1 ep 1
15:19:16 <joepie91> :)
15:19:32 <joepie91> trust me, you'll watch them in no time
15:19:57 * Charles is gg to invest some time in watching "drwho"
15:20:23 <cayce> lol
15:20:24 <Charles> it must be good if it has so many good reviews
15:20:28 <Charles> and been running for so long
15:20:34 <Charles> :P
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15:33:49 <joepie91> Charles: it's def good
15:34:11 <Charles> what do u think about it?
15:36:56 <joepie91> <joepie91>Charles: it's def good
15:37:30 <Charles> hmm very helpful answer :P
15:45:09 <joepie91> I don't want to spoil anything :P
15:45:10 <joepie91> just go watch it!
15:47:28 <monod> guysguys
15:47:28 <botpie91> monod: 14:22Z <joepie91> tell monod that this is how it works
15:47:33 <monod> oh lol
15:47:41 <monod> thanks botpie/joepie :D
15:47:47 <Charles> hai monod !
15:47:52 <monod> botpie91, tell monod he's so cute
15:47:53 <botpie91> You can tell yourself that.
15:47:56 <monod> hahaha
15:48:04 <monod> I guess you're right, botpie91.
15:48:06 <monod> Hi Charles !
15:48:17 <Charles> what were u gg to say
15:48:30 <monod> oh, you're right XD
15:49:12 <monod> I think I've finally understood why BTCs are a fraud
15:49:20 <monod> PERHAPS.
15:49:21 <joepie91> ?
15:49:32 <monod> I'll tell you what I got
15:50:02 <lysobit> BTCs are fraud because it is very easy to copy bits across the internet.
15:50:09 <Charles> yay! btc nomoar. ltcftw
15:50:13 * cayce giggles
15:50:16 <lysobit> Therefore Satoshi needs to implement DRM to prevent this, thus creating a monopoly.
15:50:36 <joepie91> lysobit, repeating trolls is bad practice
15:50:52 <joepie91> never run a troll more than once
15:50:56 <cayce> NP: [Ewan Dobson - Time 2] [Ewan Dobson II] [683kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
15:51:24 <lysobit> joepie91, you're right, an abstraction for troll needs to be made, just as repeating code is a bad idea.
15:52:08 <cayce> I think you need a troll factory that produces troll interfaces
15:52:48 <Charles> lysobit, u were once the troll and still are one :D
15:53:43 <joepie91> lysobit: how about a UUID for each troll that can then be backreferenced by mentioning the UUID itself later on
15:54:20 <cayce> and a factory to make uuids
15:54:22 <monod> hahahahaha
15:54:29 <monod> X°D
15:54:30 * joepie91 is still waiting for monod to explain what he wanted to say about BTC
15:54:36 <monod> (me knows.
15:54:41 * monod knows.
15:54:42 <cayce> needs more subimplementations of interfaces
15:54:56 * monod has been hooked by his bro.
15:55:07 * cayce tries to bring the best of java to trolling
15:55:17 * Charles does not know whats gg on
15:55:59 * monod will highlight when messages.
15:57:11 * monod is back! joepie91 Charles cayce lysobit and.... botpie91 ! :D
15:57:14 <cayce> charles should stop overloading the gg operator
15:57:18 * joepie91 is a little confused
15:57:19 <monod> HAHAHA
15:57:22 <joepie91> and lol
15:57:33 <monod> gusygusy
15:57:34 * Charles cayce idk whats gg on
15:57:35 <monod> oops
15:57:37 <monod> anyways
15:57:42 <monod> is bitcoin a currency? :P
15:57:43 <cayce> stahp
15:57:55 <Charles> but here a pic of rabbit with a pancake
15:57:55 <Charles> on its head
15:57:59 * Charles finds link
15:58:01 <cayce> it's also futures
15:58:07 * Charles gives up
15:58:08 <cayce> because reasons
15:58:13 <monod> cayce has the highest merging value between programming and real life grammar
15:58:43 <monod> anyways, I think the key/fraud is in that question
15:58:59 <monod> that's the core of all that I was thinking. cc joepie91
15:59:06 * cayce for (i=1; i<PIE; i++){ printf("lol");}
15:59:17 <Charles> wtfff. so what about this btc thing
15:59:19 <joepie91> .wik currency
15:59:20 <botpie91> "A currency (from Middle English curraunt, meaning in circulation) in the most specific use of the word refers to money in any form when in actual use or circulation, as a medium of exchange, especially circulating paper money." -
15:59:21 <Charles> DIE BTC DIE
15:59:27 <joepie91> yup, BTC is a currency
15:59:40 <monod> let's see what you bring us....
15:59:43 <cayce> I'm just going to keep doing btc outreach since I failed to buy any myself
15:59:49 <Charles> .wik tea
15:59:50 <botpie91> "Tea is an aromatic beverage commonly prepared by pouring hot or boiling water over cured leaves of the tea plant, Camellia sinensis." -
15:59:59 <cayce> mmm, camellia
16:00:03 * cayce giggles
16:00:09 <cayce> joepie knows
16:00:26 * Charles doesn get the inside joke
16:00:28 <joepie91> also, Charles, slight lesson; you usually only announce a weird picture when you already have the URL in your clipboard :)
16:00:43 <joepie91> rabbits with pancakes are suddenly a lot less interesting if no .jpg follows
16:00:56 <Charles> joepie91, well, on 4chan we just say it lol
16:01:23 <monod> joepie91, I think you've been frauded by a dissociation between the definition of currency and of money
16:01:25 <monod> :)
16:01:30 <joepie91> monod: what?
16:01:37 <cayce> this isn't 4chan
16:01:38 <monod> that definition is wrong! :D
16:01:49 <joepie91> monod: how is that definition "wrong"?
16:01:55 <cayce> .wik money
16:01:56 <botpie91> "Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country." -
16:02:13 <monod> thanks cayce, reading this too :uhm:
16:02:14 <Charles> cayce, ...
16:02:20 <cayce> not bad, doesn't include "state backed"
16:02:22 <cayce> sexy
16:02:28 <Charles> .wik hitler
16:02:29 <botpie91> "Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ( listen); 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the Nazi Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP); National Socialist German Workers Party)." -
16:02:45 <monod> joepie91, because that definition is more resembling that of a synonim of money
16:02:52 <monod> I mean, this:
16:03:10 <cayce> so currency is formal
16:03:14 <cayce> that's the difference
16:03:36 <monod> uhm
16:03:40 <cayce> money is whatever can be generally accepted, whereas a currency is formalized in some way. they can of course be the same thing (and often are)
16:03:42 <monod> I'm getting mad at grammar right now
16:03:55 <Charles> monod, noooo
16:03:59 <Charles> :(
16:04:11 <cayce> monod work at it :)
16:04:13 <monod> I'll show you what is making me not understanding quite well, that makes me unreliable source of words
16:04:17 <monod> cayce,   :D
16:04:21 <joepie91> work on it * ?
16:04:26 <monod> hahahha
16:04:33 <cayce> no, work at it. you can also work on it
16:04:50 * joepie91 wanders off to Google
16:05:05 <cayce>
16:05:17 <Charles> no stop stop no moar grammah nazis :(
16:05:19 <joepie91> lots of bible stuffs
16:05:20 <cayce> it's older english lol
16:05:28 <cayce> sorry, I do that
16:05:29 <joepie91> .gc "work on it" "work at it"
16:05:31 <botpie91> "work on it" "work at it": 27,300 / ?
16:05:38 <joepie91> OH THANKS HELPFUL
16:05:38 <cayce> :P
16:05:41 <joepie91> .gc "work on it", "work at it"
16:05:42 <botpie91> "work on it", "work at it": 27,300 / ?
16:05:44 <cayce> it luffs you
16:05:44 <joepie91> wat
16:05:47 <monod> I'll start from this "A currency ([...]) in the most specific use of the word refers to money in any form when in actual use or circulation, as a medium of exchange, especially circulating paper money." I don't know where to make a pause in the reading, the following will explain
16:05:50 <joepie91> .gc "work on it" | "work at it"
16:05:52 <botpie91> "work on it" | "work at it": 1,200,000 / ?
16:05:55 <joepie91> fuck it
16:06:01 <monod> (lulz)
16:06:07 <Charles> whut is thaaat
16:06:28 <monod> Charles, prepare pop-corns, seat back and watch :)
16:06:39 <cayce> work at - to exert effort in order to do, make, or perform something; "the child worked at the multiplication table until she had it down cold"
16:06:40 <Charles> monod, good idea :)
16:06:41 <monod> should I read that like this? :
16:06:41 <cayce> >_>
16:07:11 <monod> A currency ([...]) in the most specific use of the word refers to money". | "in any form when in actual use or circulation, as a medium of exchange, especially circulating paper money."
16:07:14 <monod> or like this:
16:07:19 <cayce> joepie91:) it's more idiomatic speech I'm famous for >_>
16:07:42 <cayce> (in)famous
16:08:07 <monod> "A currency ([...]) in the most specific use of the word refers to money in any form". | "when in actual use or circulation, as a medium of exchange, especially circulating paper money."
16:08:15 <monod> joepie91, cc ^ x2
16:08:23 <cayce> neither?
16:08:32 <monod> that's my ******* problem.
16:08:34 <cayce> they put no comma in the first bit, don't split it
16:08:46 <monod> ok, I'll try reading it that way this time
16:09:03 <cayce> a currency, in the most specific use of the word, refers to money in any form when it actual use or circulation
16:09:03 <cayce> better?
16:09:10 <cayce> it's what they mean
16:09:25 <monod> so, cayce, what I get is this: "A currency ([...]) in the most specific use of the wordas a medium of exchange as a medium of exchange"
16:09:28 <cayce> as a medium of exchange
16:09:35 <cayce> especially circulating paper money
16:09:36 <joepie91> a currency, in the most specific use of the word, refers to [money in any form when in actual use or circulation]
16:10:01 <cayce> and "especially" in this case is an old use of the word where it means more like "for example"
16:10:13 <cayce> or "more specifically"
16:10:38 <joepie91> (but not "exclusively")
16:10:51 <cayce> correct
16:10:58 <cayce> it means to narrow the scope, but not exclusively so
16:11:09 <Charles> monod, my popcorn ran out. so what is going on?
16:11:56 <cayce> NP: [Parov Stelar - Libella Swing] [Coco] [928kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:12:06 <monod> Charles, I can't tell you because I'll should walk through my bad English to tell you that :) just re-read the conversation if you have less grammar problems than me :D
16:12:13 <monod> I* should
16:12:30 <Charles> monod, so u r having engrish problems?
16:12:37 <monod> exactly.
16:12:39 <cayce> haha I'll come visit you someday monod
16:12:43 <cayce> we'll work on english
16:12:46 <monod> YES
16:12:50 <monod> home's free for you
16:12:54 <monod> I'll sleep in the hoven
16:12:56 <monod> I promise
16:12:57 <cayce> and sit in coffee shop, watch pretty girls
16:13:01 <monod> hahahah
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16:13:05 <monod> and giggle.
16:13:07 <cayce> yes
16:13:08 <monod> lots of that.
16:13:09 <cayce> :)
16:13:18 <monod> anyways, this is what I finally come up with:
16:13:24 <Charles> ._.
16:13:29 <Charles> cayce: and sit in coffee shop, watch pretty girls
16:13:30 <monod> a currency refers to money in any form it circulates in
16:13:46 <monod> in any form it is*
16:13:47 <cayce> Charles:) yes I know, I should have used a semicolon there. Sorry.
16:14:09 * Charles was referring to the meaning
16:14:15 <monod> hahaha
16:14:32 * Charles charles is good at english but dgaf about it online
16:15:05 <cayce> well if you have problems understandings lots of what I say, you have more work at english to do
16:15:11 <cayce> my english is unfortunately very idiomatic
16:15:39 <cayce> kind of like how we say certain code is very "pythonic"
16:15:44 <monod> "a currency, in the most specific use of the word, _refers to money_, in any form, when it's actually used or it's circulating"
16:15:47 <cayce> they only say that because they don't know what idiomatic means
16:15:47 <cayce> lol
16:15:59 <monod> "a currency, in the most specific use of the word, _refers to money_, in any form, when it's actually used or it's circulating" cayce, joepie91
16:16:06 <cayce> yes
16:16:11 <monod> alright
16:16:12 <Charles> no i dont understand the meaning. i understand what ur saying but i dont get the point :P
16:16:38 <monod> if both of you agree, I could say I've understood that definition now
16:17:01 <cayce> Charles:) I know where monod lives and will visit someday, and we will work on english together :) Nothing complicated about it.
16:17:01 <monod> (and I can go on with what I was talking about, the problem with that definition)
16:17:17 <cayce> NP: [Parov Stelar - Matilda] [Coco] [915kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
16:17:17 <monod> cayce, he means the last part
16:17:24 <monod> "why coffee??? why girls???"
16:17:27 <monod> (I think)
16:17:28 <cayce> oh
16:17:32 <cayce> haha
16:17:33 <Charles> hahahahha
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16:17:34 <monod> that's a secret tho.
16:17:38 <cayce> "the national culture"
16:17:53 <cayce> "when in rome, do as the romans do"
16:17:58 <monod> ooooh
16:18:02 <monod> misjudgements! :P
16:18:03 <Charles> ._.
16:18:07 <cayce> jajaja
16:18:18 <Charles> thats the most reatarded thing ever it makes u look fake
16:18:34 <Charles> i hate that phrase
16:18:35 <cayce> no, it makes me look mexican, mijo
16:18:43 <monod> mira el dito
16:18:49 <Charles> *retarded
16:19:04 <monod> anyways the problem is that currency is not only about money!
16:19:05 <Charles> i shant correct my own eng aye?
16:19:12 <monod> anyways the problem is that currency is not only about money! cayce, joepie91, lysobit, Charles
16:19:36 <cayce> "Money is any object or record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given socio-economic context or country."
16:19:37 <Charles> currency is the form and type of money you are using . end of story.
16:19:46 <cayce> object or record generally accepted as payment
16:19:50 <cayce> can be seashells
16:20:25 <monod> have you ever wondered on why 1$ = 1.3€ and not viceversa? or just not 1$ = 9182379123871298312798€ ? :D
16:20:29 <cayce> they refer (somewhat erroneously) to nation-specific money here, but whatever
16:21:00 <cayce> well but they're floating currencies, so if the dollar deflated massively it could happen
16:21:06 <monod> WHAT it is that keeps non-virtual money at their exchange rate, with some ups and downs
16:21:07 <cayce> or if the euro inflated massively, same
16:21:24 <monod> exact, I think
16:21:25 <monod> but
16:21:46 <cayce> monod:) "forex" traders. people trade between the currencies, like exchanging between dollars and euros
16:22:03 * Charles finds the wanted's new song stupid
16:22:04 <monod> if theoretically should not happen, because there is a theorical limit for how many dollars/euros must be in circulation
16:22:15 <monod> it*
16:22:23 <cayce> monod:) yes, and currently those "limits" are controlled by central banks
16:22:26 <monod> (I'll remember that forex definition cayce)
16:22:30 <cayce> (in the examples of USD and euro)
16:22:58 <cayce> so they control the exchange rate by buying up USD (take it out of the market) or selling more
16:23:06 <cayce> this is what central banks job is
16:23:27 <monod> that limit, if I guess correctly, is set by the "dollar standard", right? which then brings us to banks, the place where "dollars happen" (are printed)
16:23:37 <cayce> (on a macro scale. micro-scale forex traders do the work)
16:23:51 <cayce> I don't know the term dollar standard
16:24:03 <monod> and "gold standard" ?
16:24:12 <cayce> in the US, dollars are printed by the US treasury when ordered to by the federal reserve
16:24:21 <monod> right, I think.
16:24:39 <cayce> we stopped doing "gold standard" (which was called "dollar convertibility") in the 1970s
16:24:54 <monod> exact
16:24:56 <cayce> (meaning dollars were convertible to gold "convertibility")
16:25:03 <monod> it became "dollar standard"
16:25:08 <cayce> ahh, okay
16:25:15 <monod> this should mean HUGE things to you
16:25:17 <cayce> I haven't heard that term, but I'll allow it
16:25:18 <cayce> lol
16:25:28 <cayce> it's called a floating currency
16:25:30 <monod> "no more gold as the standard. Now take a look at dollars instead."
16:25:40 <cayce> yea, floating currency
16:25:52 <monod> the "problem" with that (ok with floating currency now) is
16:25:58 <cayce> floating exchange rate, haha thank you google
16:26:02 <monod> you can't create/print gold, but you can do it with dollards
16:26:04 <monod> dollars*
16:26:09 <cayce> yep
16:26:15 <monod> but
16:26:17 <monod> this means
16:26:33 <monod> dollars are now what gold was before. Who has more dollars/gold, is richer
16:26:34 * cayce woo friday economics
16:26:35 <monod> wealther.
16:26:46 <monod> wealthier* maybe
16:26:50 <monod> dunno now :(
16:26:54 <joepie91> <monod>WHAT it is that keeps non-virtual money at their exchange rate, with some ups and downs
16:26:57 <joepie91> size
16:27:07 <cayce> well before it was a pegged exchange rate, so 1oz of gold was always a certain number of dollars
16:27:12 <cayce> always
16:27:28 <joepie91> monod; when you compare the exchange rates... you need to realize that the USD/EUR market is much much MUCH bigger
16:27:34 <joepie91> so it's much harder to make a dent in it
16:27:47 <joepie91> which is what keeps the exchange rates kinda stable
16:27:48 <joepie91> except not really
16:27:54 <joepie91> but enough to make people not freak out
16:28:03 <cayce> yeah they float by nickels or so each day
16:28:19 <EmptyRedData> Nickels a day?
16:28:34 <monod> the point is that a real currency had a background/was backed by... gold. _Actual_ wealth
16:28:40 <joepie91> cayce; let's just say that there's a group of people on a large dutch forum that purchase stuff from US and Asian shops at planned moments for optimum exchange rate
16:28:42 <monod> and I have more on this:
16:28:44 <joepie91> shaving off a significant part of the cost
16:28:53 <cayce> yes EmptyRedData. a noisy day is like +/- 2.5c
16:28:56 <joepie91> it fluctuates enough to actually have people do that kind of thing
16:29:09 <cayce> between dutch yes
16:29:13 <joepie91> monod: that sounds like a "no true scotsman" fallacy
16:29:16 <cayce> my friend does the same thing with danish crowns
16:29:22 <joepie91> cayce: NL uses the Euro.
16:29:26 <monod> joepie91, don't know that thing :/
16:29:31 <cayce> ahh
16:29:31 <joepie91> monod: one moment
16:29:37 <monod> jep.
16:29:37 <joepie91> actually let me just explain it
16:29:43 <monod> alright
16:29:50 <joepie91> you redefine "a true X" to not include something, to try and defeat an argument
16:29:56 <joepie91> it's a form of "moving the goalposts"
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16:30:18 <joepie91> you try to argue that Bitcoin or USD or whatever "is not a real currency" by changing the definition of "currency"
16:30:26 <joepie91> which is invalid
16:30:29 <monod> ok
16:30:36 <cayce> note that the definition we had earlier did not include "backed by gold"
16:30:48 <cayce> :)
16:30:52 <monod> cayce, joepie91: that's the fallacy! imho
16:31:05 <cayce> I think you mean "that's the problem"
16:31:10 <cayce> from your perspective
16:31:10 <monod> because currency need to be backed by gold, or better, by wealth
16:31:19 <monod> yesyes
16:31:20 <cayce> what is wealth
16:31:25 <cayce> what does this word mean
16:31:43 <monod> yes, I know this word does not represent a thing.
16:31:45 <joepie91> monod: anything that is used for the exchange of value, is thus automatically "backed by wealth"
16:31:53 <Charles> .wik fallacy
16:31:54 <botpie91> "A fallacy is an argument that uses poor reasoning." -
16:31:57 <cayce> bitcoin has 5bn wealths
16:31:58 <monod> oops
16:31:58 <joepie91> which proves the wikipedia definition correct
16:32:00 <cayce> 8 now?
16:32:03 <cayce> haha
16:32:06 <joepie91> and proves Bitcoin and USD as both being currencies
16:32:15 <monod> oops was for .wik fallacy
16:32:35 <joepie91> I do have to say that the wikipedia definition for "fallacy" is a little weak
16:32:38 <joepie91> :P
16:32:39 <Charles> i hate the word fallacy
16:32:40 <cayce> yeah lol
16:32:49 <joepie91> or a little "poor", in their words
16:32:49 <monod> I mean guys...
16:32:52 <joepie91> hehe
16:32:55 <cayce> :3
16:32:59 <cayce> hue hue hue
16:33:05 <Charles> i fking hate it. there were some snobs overusing it
16:33:13 <monod> what set the initial BTC/EUR and BTC/USD exchange rate?
16:33:20 <cayce> maybe you should take a logic course charles
16:33:34 <cayce> monod:) initial, when?
16:33:44 <monod> when first appeared (in 2009?)
16:33:49 <monod> (raely don't know)
16:33:52 <monod> (really*)
16:33:56 <Charles> cayce, logic ? i think thats what we all hv to take
16:34:28 <cayce> they're both floating exchange rate currencies, so it's like btc: whatever people would pay for it. it's complex, but sort of based on how much is in circulation, how much usd euro people want, etc
16:34:30 <joepie91> monod: right, to understand this, you need to understand that "the BTC/EUR exchange rate" doesn't actually -exist-
16:34:36 <joepie91> it's an abstract concept
16:34:40 <joepie91> it is not set
16:34:57 <Charles> if we didnt trust in this paper..hmmmm what wld happen?
16:34:58 <monod> wait
16:35:01 <cayce> which is why it changes every second
16:35:02 <joepie91> in the case of most bitcoin exchanges, I believe it is calculated by the last match price, ie. the last price that a buy and sell order could be matched at
16:35:14 <joepie91> combined with averaging for display and graphing purposes
16:35:15 <cayce> joepie91:) correct
16:35:33 <joepie91> monod: let me show you a useful resource
16:35:40 <cayce> I can explain purchasing in exchanges, but it's orthogonal to this discussion
16:35:46 <monod> it seems to me that it is like this: "hey guys, I'm the inventor of BTC, a new _currency_! I have 100 BTC and I'd like to spread these, would you buy some of them from me for 1¢ each? Pleeeease? :)"
16:35:52 <joepie91> no
16:35:56 <joepie91> that is absolutely not how it works
16:35:58 <monod> ok
16:35:59 <joepie91> monod, have a look at
16:36:16 <Charles> monod, it is. we believe in this.
16:36:17 <joepie91> the "buying" and "selling" columns together are called the "order book"
16:36:28 <Charles> without any belief in any currency,its dead
16:36:43 <joepie91> every time somebody says "I want to buy/sell X BTC for X USD/EUR/etc." it's added to the order book
16:36:57 <cayce> wow btc's spread is tight right now
16:36:58 <monod> oh god
16:37:02 <cayce> jesus
16:37:03 <monod> so it's set each time???
16:37:04 <joepie91> as soon as a match is found, ie. a buy order and a sell order with the same price, or a better one
16:37:04 <joepie91> it is matched
16:37:06 <joepie91> and processed
16:37:15 <joepie91> and the "exchange rate" is whatever price that happened at
16:37:32 <cayce> ^
16:37:39 <joepie91> this is how the rate is directly set by the people exchanging
16:37:42 <joepie91> it is not set by a central party
16:37:54 <monod> wait a minute
16:37:57 <joepie91> the "exchange rate" is just an abstract concept that represents what people are willing to pay/take for a BTC
16:38:10 <joepie91> on what price people can agree, basically
16:38:15 <monod> can I deciding the exchange rate though?
16:38:19 <monod> then* not though
16:38:21 <cayce> set by the market of people, not by a central authority
16:38:30 <joepie91> monod: no, everybody together decide the rate
16:38:32 <joepie91> well
16:38:35 <joepie91> actually that's not entirely true
16:38:39 <cayce> if you put out a buy order that is too low it will never be matched
16:38:42 <joepie91> you can decide what you want to pay/get for a BTC
16:38:55 <joepie91> if that matches up with somebody else, then briefly your price will become the exchange rate
16:38:59 <joepie91> but yes, what cayce said
16:39:01 <monod> "<cayce> if you put out a buy order that is too low it will never be matched" because no one would be so mad to accept it?
16:39:05 <joepie91> yes
16:39:08 <cayce> yes
16:39:11 <monod> yes
16:39:12 <monod> hahaha
16:39:14 <cayce> :3
16:39:16 <monod> reading*
16:39:23 <joepie91> monod: tthis is also why mt. gox dies every time the exchange rate drops like mad
16:39:24 <monod> (chat-threesome!)
16:39:31 <Charles> like me wanting at 300 :(
16:39:34 <cayce> flurry of trades
16:39:34 <joepie91> the price drops and drops and drops
16:39:40 <monod> uhm
16:39:44 <joepie91> and thousands of far-too-low offers suddenly get matched
16:39:48 <cayce> ^
16:39:50 <joepie91> because they're not too low anymore
16:39:53 <cayce> lags out their trading "engine"
16:39:56 <joepie91> those offers might've been there for weeks or months
16:40:03 <joepie91> and there are so many matches that their entire system falls ovr
16:40:04 <joepie91> over *
16:40:04 <cayce> matching all those people's orders
16:40:07 <joepie91> (because mt. gox is shit and crap)
16:40:24 <cayce> it's gotten much better since they put the new shit in
16:40:27 <cayce> still lags out though
16:40:30 <joepie91> and of course those offers accelerate the drop...
16:40:31 <Charles> do not diss mt gox. i repeat
16:40:38 <cayce> not for 5 minutes anymore, just seconds
16:40:44 <joepie91> cayce: at least we don't have multi-hour lags anymore lol
16:40:50 <joepie91> biggest I've seen recently was 26 minutes
16:41:10 <joepie91> Charles: mt. gox is a piece of shit and is run by incompetent fools
16:41:15 <joepie91> in many aspects
16:41:54 <cayce> it's notable that no other exchanges have those issues
16:41:57 <joepie91> did you know that there were several SQLi's in mt. gox in the past that were never published?
16:42:03 <joepie91> and that weren't taken seriously straight away?
16:42:15 <monod> ok, so it's a non-stop exchange between money and goods that set the price of things, and it is the currently most accepted exchange rate between currencies that sets it?
16:42:16 <joepie91> and if I am not mistaken, a CSRF vuln was "not a priority"
16:42:24 <cayce> joepie91:) do you know which exchange has the highest volume of trades these days?
16:42:30 <Charles> yeah the "rise and fall of mt gox"
16:42:35 <joepie91> (never mind that the de facto textbook example for a CSRF vuln is a bank/exchange...)
16:42:44 <joepie91> monod: basically
16:42:53 <joepie91> if I understand you correctly
16:43:08 <joepie91> whatever people are most happy to pay/get is what is the exchange rate
16:43:09 <cayce> I'll go with that
16:43:16 <joepie91> same for goods, kinda
16:43:22 <joepie91> though it's a bit more complicated there
16:43:31 <joepie91> also, cayce, wasn't the biggest exchange now btc china?
16:43:43 <cayce> yeah
16:43:48 <cayce> I mean other than them >_>
16:43:56 <joepie91> bitstamp is also pretty big
16:43:57 <joepie91> :p
16:44:03 <cayce> did they come back? (btc china)
16:44:07 <joepie91> come back?
16:44:13 <cayce> they went away I thought
16:44:16 <joepie91> wut?
16:44:18 <joepie91> did I miss something?
16:44:32 <cayce> dunno? I saw a flurry of articles saying they had gone away
16:44:38 <joepie91> oh
16:44:39 <joepie91> idk
16:44:40 <joepie91> also unrelatedly
16:44:42 <cayce> maybe they just went down and incompetent reporting
16:44:47 <joepie91> you can go to space using BTC
16:44:52 <joepie91> Virgin Galactic apparently accepts BTC
16:44:52 <joepie91> lol
16:44:57 <cayce> elon accepts it?
16:44:58 <cayce> oh
16:44:58 <monod> is it like me shouting in the web: "Hey, who wants my BTC? Or who wants to give me his/hers? I'll sell/buy at 1BTC/1€" and if someone "matches" my offerings, I'm selling/buying at that exchange rate? (but what "matching" is?)
16:44:59 <cayce> hahaha
16:45:03 <joepie91> cayce:
16:45:04 <Charles> haha
16:45:12 <joepie91> monod: yes, exactly
16:45:28 <Charles> joepie91, u goin?
16:45:30 <cayce> monod:) yep. matching is matching. we do it via software so there's less yelling
16:45:35 <monod> alright, then I only need to know what "matching" means.. Someone that brings the transaction?
16:45:46 <joepie91> cayce: suddenly that "TO THE MOOOON" meme isn't so stupid anymore
16:45:47 <joepie91> heh
16:45:53 <cayce> .wik match
16:45:54 <botpie91> "A match is a tool for starting a fire." -
16:45:57 <cayce> .wik matching
16:45:57 <joepie91> LOL
16:45:57 <botpie91> "Matching, Essex, England Matching Green" -
16:45:58 <monod> lol
16:46:00 <cayce> fucking
16:46:00 <joepie91> hahaha
16:46:01 <monod> wait
16:46:01 <cayce> SHIT
16:46:02 <monod> I know it
16:46:03 * joepie91 claps
16:46:04 <monod> I know it
16:46:04 <monod> I know it
16:46:05 <monod> :D
16:46:08 <cayce> okay
16:46:20 <cayce> matching has no funny definitions here
16:46:20 <cayce> lol
16:46:21 <monod> matching:  a == a
16:46:38 <monod> but
16:46:39 <cayce> joepie91:) oh god, oh god
16:46:49 <joepie91> monod: "matching" in the context of an exchange means that there are two parties - a buying and a selling party - that agree on the same price
16:46:59 <monod> yesyes
16:47:03 <monod> I was thinking the same
16:47:05 <monod> sorry XD
16:47:08 <joepie91> in the case of mt. gox, that is automatically determined
16:47:17 <joepie91> in the case of localbitcoins, you find somebody who has a price you agree with
16:47:17 <cayce> dude fuck yeah, btc china has an english site
16:47:24 <monod> because of it being centralised?
16:47:40 <cayce> monod:) "it"?
16:47:43 <monod> mt.go
16:47:44 <monod> x
16:48:00 <cayce> oh, the price agreement is done in software on an exchange
16:48:09 <cayce> it's done in person on localbitcoins :)
16:48:13 <monod> wait
16:48:13 <cayce> (kinda)
16:48:36 <joepie91> ^
16:48:39 <monod> what stops us from exchanging BTCs and EURs at a different exchange rate?
16:48:46 <cayce> nothing?
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16:48:52 <joepie91> !!
16:48:53 <joepie91> cayce:
16:48:54 <cayce> if you and I agree, and have cash, we can do it
16:49:00 <joepie91> Speaking at an economic forum on Wednesday, Yi Gang, the deputy governor of the Peopleâ??s Bank of China and director of the State Administration of Foreign Exchange, said that it would be impossible for Chinaâ??s central bank to recognize the Bitcoin as a legitimate financial instrument in the near future. But, Mr. Yi added, people are free to participate in the Bitcoin market and he would personally adopt a long-term perspective on the c
16:49:05 <monod> then why the hell the exchange rate has raise?
16:49:15 <cayce> fucking
16:49:21 <cayce> joepie91:) jizz, everywhere
16:49:32 <cayce> joepie91:) tentative move against the US, I suspect
16:49:47 <cayce> monod:) because people won't take it for lower
16:50:01 <monod> but isn't it stupid?
16:50:10 <monod> or is it so because they are earn from this?
16:50:10 <cayce> why would I accept a btc for 300 when I can accept it for 750?
16:50:14 <monod> from this rase, I mean
16:50:32 <Charles> sayonara!
16:50:33 <monod> ok then, but there is still something else I have a question about
16:50:37 <monod> bye Charles !
16:50:40 <cayce> :)
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16:50:55 <cayce> lemme find my china news site
16:50:56 <monod> aren't BTC registered on that "block-chain" thing
16:51:00 <cayce> see if they have anything on this
16:51:10 <cayce> yes
16:51:13 <cayce> monod:) yes
16:51:14 <monod> earning*
16:51:16 <monod> ok
16:51:20 <cayce> earning what
16:51:22 <cayce> no
16:51:23 <monod> hahaha
16:51:29 <monod> earning was before
16:51:31 <cayce> transactions are registered on the blockchain
16:51:33 <cayce> oh, okay
16:51:34 <monod> lines and lines before
16:51:38 <cayce> haha okay
16:51:59 <monod> then:
16:52:23 <monod> I remember those block chains to be the "True holders" regarding bitcoins
16:52:39 <monod> as they are the only official registry where transactions are registered
16:52:42 <monod> and accepted
16:52:47 <cayce> sure
16:52:59 <cayce> they are the official source on which hash owns which btc
16:53:01 <cayce> correct
16:53:12 <monod> ok
16:53:29 <monod> but if someone could modify that source, suddenly all the wallets on internet would have been changed
16:53:43 <cayce> but they can't
16:53:44 <monod> so 1) what kind of security can protect that register?
16:53:54 <monod> 2) who has this register?
16:53:58 <cayce> each block is signed and agreed upon by the whole network
16:54:06 <cayce> every person with a full client has a copy of all transactions ever
16:54:07 <monod> and the whole network has it?
16:54:20 <monod> ok
16:54:27 <cayce> that's why it's like 5 gigs
16:54:28 <joepie91> monod: the security for that is the mining
16:54:28 <cayce> lol
16:54:52 <monod> joepie91, because it would prevent someone evil to forge new transactions quickly?
16:54:57 <joepie91> you need the majority of the computing power on the network to be able to push through false transactions
16:55:10 <monod> which is easier to happen with LTC then
16:55:14 <joepie91> monod: transactions are 'confirmed' in blocks (this is a pretty complex crypto topic)
16:55:31 <monod> (I recall this topic though :))
16:55:34 <joepie91> their legitimacy is ensured through computationally expensive cryptographical work
16:55:38 <joepie91> basically
16:55:48 <cayce> "because math."
16:55:51 <monod> to avoid the formation of mini-networks of false transactions
16:56:03 <monod> the birth*, "formation"
16:56:56 <multihate> 51% topic again?
16:57:23 <monod> the point I was trying to hold before was that to me BTC seemed more stocks than a currenciy
16:57:28 <monod> currency*
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16:57:35 <monod> I would have said this before
16:57:37 <multihate> next will be that quantum computing will destroy btc
16:57:46 <monod> but it was an useful conversation, for me
16:57:53 <joepie91> ah, multihate, hai
16:58:01 <multihate> hi joepie
16:58:03 <joepie91> incoming PM
16:58:05 <monod> multihate, or some new math tool
16:58:13 <cayce> :)
16:58:28 <joepie91> monod: currencies basically work like stocks, trading-wise
16:58:35 <joepie91> they;re not mutually exclusive
17:00:04 <monod> goood god, have to go and do some stuff
17:00:10 <monod> shitty shitty
17:00:12 <monod> nerdy nerdy
17:00:18 <monod> bleffy bleffy
17:00:41 <cayce> haha
17:00:49 <monod> anyway, the similarity between stocks and currencies may have trapped me in an error
17:00:52 <cayce> I leave for holiday in a few hours :)
17:00:58 <monod> oh god
17:01:01 <monod> holidays'
17:01:02 <monod> ?
17:01:08 <cayce> sure?
17:01:26 <monod> what kind of holidays slight-past-mid-november?
17:01:32 <cayce> thanksgiving
17:01:40 <monod> oh, that's why!!
17:01:47 <cayce> next thursday, officially, but we get the whole week off
17:01:48 <monod> because I don't give a ..... thank!
17:01:56 <monod> here
17:02:07 <monod> sad joke.
17:02:10 <cayce> :P
17:02:13 <monod> if noone got it
17:02:17 * cayce slaps monod with a thank
17:02:28 <monod> it hurts
17:02:31 <cayce> :<
17:02:53 <monod> gotta go
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17:03:09 <monod> how do you wish "good work!" to someone?
17:03:25 <cayce> good luck?
17:03:27 <cayce> good night?
17:03:35 <monod> "wish you a good work" ?
17:03:48 <cayce> I would say good luck
17:03:56 <cayce> like in french, bon chance
17:04:13 <monod> bon chance then!
17:04:17 <cayce> hahaha :D
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17:04:46 <joepie91> heh
17:05:23 <cayce> joepie91:) twitter
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17:05:34 <cayce> because
17:05:38 <cayce> .tw
17:05:39 <botpie91> Teen hackers infiltrate a secret military database containing designs for a new superweapon. They deface the database with ASCII genitalia. (@HardSciFiMovies)
17:05:53 <joepie91> lol
17:05:56 <EmptyRedData> lol
17:06:19 <joepie91> sooo
17:06:21 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02ST3 Compatability', '02Merge pull request #2402 from wesbos/patch-4ST3 Compatability' (
17:06:23 <joepie91> ima experiment a bit with remoteStorage
17:06:37 <cayce> yeah?
17:06:42 <cayce> wassat
17:06:45 <EmptyRedData>
17:06:52 <joepie91> ya
17:07:16 <joepie91> third-party data store for web apps
17:07:20 <joepie91> thingie
17:07:21 <joepie91> basically
17:07:22 <cayce> nifty
17:07:27 <joepie91> you either sign up with a provider or set up your own
17:07:34 <joepie91> and any application you connect to it
17:07:38 <joepie91> runs entirely off that provider as storage backend
17:07:46 <joepie91> so no data silo
17:07:49 <cayce> my favorite was some of the dropbox integrations, like
17:08:08 <cayce> specific to dropbox ofc, but if it were generalized...
17:08:14 <joepie91> still a data silo :)
17:08:14 <joepie91> yeah
17:08:23 <cayce> oh right, I deleted my dropbox
17:08:25 <cayce> haha
17:08:40 <cayce> because bittorrent sync > dropbox
17:09:18 <EmptyRedData> Ohh, I haven't heard of bittorrent sync. Looks cool
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17:10:02 <cayce> yus
17:10:25 <cayce> I sync everything with my server which eliminates problem of computers being on at the same time
17:10:42 <cayce> or, not everything, but lots
17:11:05 <cayce> it also means I can work on my website any time, because it gets uploaded every 15s
17:11:13 <cayce> I hit save and within 15s it gets pushed
17:11:15 <cayce> so sexy
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17:15:50 <cayce> I think part of holidays will be dealing with the pile of bookmarks
17:16:09 <cayce> I have like 4 different folders of unsorted bookmarks lol
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17:18:24 <joepie91> <joepie91>boo btsync
17:18:27 <joepie91> also, /me goes to sleep
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17:24:54 <cayce> lulz
17:45:23 <IR601> btsync is awesome
17:45:25 <IR601> why so boo
17:47:02 <cayce> ^
17:49:55 <IR601> i got it running on my nas it syncs my music to a server running subsonic
17:51:21 <cayce> nice!
17:51:33 <cayce> I've only found one major shortcoming with it so far
17:51:47 <IR601> whats that
17:51:59 <cayce> it doesn't keep track of port forwards,  so when I move from school to home or vice-versa I have to restart btsync
17:52:17 <cayce> otherwise it won't have access to anything
17:52:25 <IR601> ah uh
17:52:43 <IR601> still early days with it tho
17:52:46 <cayce> I posted a bug
17:52:47 <cayce> it's cool
17:53:16 <cayce> if they fix that, it'll be amazing
17:53:22 <cayce> "just works"(tm)
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17:58:32 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
17:58:33 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $762.50, 1 BTC = €559.00
18:04:25 <IR601> haha cayce it just works
18:04:34 <IR601> thats exactly what i got from it
18:04:45 <cayce> yeah
18:04:59 <cayce> I have the case where my laptop moves so it doesn't "just work" for me
18:05:08 <IR601> XD
18:05:10 <cayce> but it mostly does
18:08:20 * cayce updates database
18:08:39 <cayce> this time we're only 4 versions behind
18:08:47 <cayce> once our db was 12 updates behind
18:08:47 <cayce> haha
18:08:59 <cayce> it was like... almost 2 years
18:09:04 <cayce> because the server hadn't been rebooted
18:09:13 <cayce> and I never restarted the running copy
18:09:13 <cayce> lol
18:09:28 <cayce> took it fucking 15s to shut down the db lol
18:10:13 <cayce> hmm
18:10:29 * cayce needs to find a linux to use during hacker conference
18:10:50 <cayce> probably debian, my first love
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18:32:38 <iceTwy> cayce: OpenBSD
18:32:39 * iceTwy grins
18:32:49 <iceTwy> not a linux distro but heh
18:32:56 <cayce> dunno how wifi support is on it
18:33:06 <cayce> though tbh would probably work fine
18:33:07 <iceTwy> fine I guess
18:33:11 <cayce> since i"m just gonna install i3
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18:33:23 <cayce> fbsd10? :D
18:33:26 * cayce grins
18:34:54 <iceTwy> mwhahah
18:35:35 <cayce> maybe, actually
18:35:41 <cayce> if i3 builds on it
18:35:48 <cayce> and ff or chromium
18:36:03 * cayce rebuilds ports manually
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20:06:53 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
20:06:54 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $762.15, 1 BTC = €567.00
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20:27:44 <monod> so unholy, I know
20:27:48 <monod> connecting from webirc
20:31:14 <monod>
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20:46:12 <iceTwy> botpie91: tell botpie91 that he rocks
20:46:13 <botpie91> Hey, I'm not as stupid as Monty you know!
20:46:16 <iceTwy> :D
20:47:30 <monod> oh lol
20:49:06 <monod> *afk*
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21:02:24 <iceTwy> oh man
21:02:43 <iceTwy> python = 60 lines of code for a script based off an API
21:02:49 * iceTwy sheds a tear
21:02:51 <iceTwy> this is beautiful
21:02:52 <iceTwy> Python
21:02:54 <iceTwy> <3<3
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21:40:21 <DrWhat> ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮ ‮
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21:48:30 <DrWhat> ‮‮
21:49:05 <lysobit> stfu
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22:05:38 <DrWhat> botpie91, ‮‮
22:13:58 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
22:13:59 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $771.01, 1 BTC = €568.00
22:15:01 <asdf> Just installed Debian 7 on a new server.
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22:40:51 <iceTwy> asdf: noms, Debian 7
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23:00:54 <iceTwy> eh I'm enjoying myself
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23:18:59 <complex> anyone here thinking that bitcoin will reach 1000/btc in a couple of days?
23:19:18 <complex> me
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23:30:59 <complex> wher can i check the value for other currencies than bitcoin?
23:37:05 <iceTwy> MK_FG: what is "cjr"?
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23:39:45 <Cryto297> empty?
23:39:46 <Cryto297> ok
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