Cryto! 19 November 2013
00:09:23 <lysobit> Riddler how 2 i hak facebok plz??
00:09:45 <Riddler> what?
00:10:04 <lysobit> What?
00:10:04 <Riddler> I don't understand what you are saying?
00:10:17 <Riddler> Why are you acting weird?
00:10:26 <lysobit> What do you mean?
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00:12:18 <Riddler> back
00:12:45 <lysobit> You have a sexy back.
00:15:15 <Riddler> Are you trolling me because joepie91 asked if I interviewed you.
00:15:22 <Riddler> Because he asked the wrong question
00:15:38 <Riddler> I told him I talked to you, not interviewed you.
00:15:58 <Riddler> I just said that you were a cool guy to talk too, and you were smart.
00:16:02 <Riddler> I thin
00:16:05 <joepie91> Riddler: channel rules
00:16:11 <joepie91> you are very close to causing drama
00:16:17 <lysobit> What are you talking about? I'm confused
00:16:30 <lysobit> joepie91 asked you if you interviewed me?
00:16:37 <Riddler> ya....
00:16:39 <lysobit> oh
00:16:44 <Riddler> that is why your trolling me right now
00:16:46 <Riddler> right?
00:16:52 <lysobit> no
00:17:04 <Riddler> ow.
00:17:18 <lysobit> If you ask anyone, I have a general habit of trolling anyone who comes in here
00:17:28 <Riddler> ow, I'm sorry
00:17:43 <lysobit> "ow"? Are you hurt? :P
00:17:54 <Riddler> lol, very funny
00:18:28 <Riddler> anyways joepie91, has Charles been on?
00:31:00 <joepie91> Riddler: I have no idea
00:31:02 <joepie91> anyway, brb
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00:52:01 <Riddler> hello
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01:31:17 <joepie91> okay
01:31:18 <joepie91> so
01:31:22 <joepie91> no more rattling CPU fan
01:31:26 <joepie91> :D
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01:44:41 <joepie91> .bitcoin
01:44:42 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $540.00, 1 BTC = €462.57
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01:56:48 <joepie91> it's interesting how bitcoin is currently the topic of discussion in basically every single place I'm in, IRC-wise
01:56:51 <joepie91> as far as I can tell
01:57:19 <lysobit> It's #1 on google trensd
01:57:22 <lysobit> trends*
01:57:29 <lysobit> so hardly surprising on IRC
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01:58:20 <joepie91> btw, connor
01:58:27 <joepie91> you asked about my downstream
01:58:29 <joepie91> let me do a speedtest
01:58:31 <joepie91> (lol late response)
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01:59:45 <joepie91> connor: http://www.speedtest.net/result/3110337777.png
01:59:49 <lysobit> you're right. Mt Gox is the greatest threat to bitcoin atm
01:59:52 <joepie91> surprisingly, it looks like KPN fixed the upstream issue
02:00:02 <joepie91> getting sensible upstream speed results now
02:00:06 <joepie91> lysobit: mm?
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02:30:42 <ElectRo`> joepie91: this is normal when you reach the top of the bubbles
02:30:56 <ElectRo`> anyone and everything starts beating it to death
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04:38:55 <joepie91> http://www.glitchthegame.com/public-domain-game-art/
04:38:56 <joepie91> !
04:43:09 <joepie91> The collaborative, web-based, massively multiplayer game Glitch began its initial private testing in 2009, opened to the public in 2010, and was shut down in 2012. It was played by more than 150,000 people and was widely hailed for its original and highly creative visual style.
04:43:10 <joepie91> The entire library of art assets from the game, has been made freely available, dedicated to the public domain. Code from the game client is included to help developers work with the assets. All of it can be downloaded and used by anyone, for any purpose. (But: use it for good.)
04:43:10 <joepie91> Tiny Speck, Inc., the gameâ??s developer, has relinquished its ownership of copyright over these 10,000+ assets in the hopes that they help others in their creative endeavours and build on Glitchâ??s legacy of simple fun, creativity and an appreciation for the preposterous. Go and make beautiful things.
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05:30:27 <zxcvbnm2> herro
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05:31:13 <joepie91> this should really be part of the Python docs... http://mirnazim.org/writings/python-ecosystem-introduction/
05:34:06 <zxcvbnm> good read thus far
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05:35:17 <zxcvbnm> o rly
05:37:33 <MK_FG> Looks nice, indeed
05:37:42 <MK_FG> Except ansible/salt > fabric
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05:50:49 <zxcvbnm> do you guys use venv for dev?
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05:56:58 <zxcvbnm> cd /usr/share/nano/
05:56:58 <zxcvbnm> ls
05:57:01 <zxcvbnm> woops
05:58:17 * joepie91 claps
05:58:34 <joepie91> we are still not your terminal :)
06:02:31 <zxcvbnm> ya this ecosystem docs is great
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06:08:38 <uz3r> Hello. Anyone on?
06:08:43 <joepie91> scarily, I think I've just written a working WHOIS client in Python...
06:08:47 <joepie91> .welcome uz3r
06:08:48 <botpie91> uz3r: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off].
06:09:13 <uz3r> I'm on my iPod, so pls excuse auto correct being a bitch
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06:12:29 <zxcvbnm> night!
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06:15:07 <Cryto809> -guy
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06:43:32 <cayce> joepie91:) thanks for the link. seen it, but a good reminder
06:44:56 * joepie91 tries to remember what he linked
06:45:27 <joepie91> sleep!
06:45:28 <joepie91> night!
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06:56:50 <cayce> you're fucking telling me
06:56:51 <cayce> lol
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06:58:52 <Riddler> hello
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09:31:44 <monod> hello to my favorite hackers&coders!
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09:46:29 <monod> .bitcoin
09:46:30 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $654.00, 1 BTC = €566.71
09:46:34 <monod> ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
09:47:54 <Charles> ?
09:49:11 <monod> wanted to show here too the money conversion
09:50:45 <Charles> mmhmm :)
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13:42:42 <complex> does anyone here (that knows assembly) recommend learning assembly for programming purposes (an opposition to "programming purposes" will in this case be to understand better how a computer works)
13:44:48 <captainobvious> depends what you want to program
13:47:33 <captainobvious> but in general on modern architectures compilers are better at low-level optimizing then humans
13:48:32 <complex> are low-level programming languages in general faster than high level languages? does this depend on what your program looks like?
13:51:23 <lblissett> yes, assembly will always beat ass on high level languages on terms of speed and size
13:51:56 <lblissett> their drawback is they are specific to cpu arch
13:52:29 <lblissett> so the result of your work will only run on the specified cpu
13:52:45 <complex> ok
13:52:48 <lblissett> and you will have do rewrite parts of code if you wish to port to a different one
13:53:31 <lblissett> high level languages were designed in such a way that gives your code portability
13:54:09 <lblissett> but this is done on the expense of you relying on the machine to figure out the proper instructions to run
13:55:26 <lblissett> what captain obvious said basically is that the software responsible for doing that is nowadays usually better than the average human
13:56:59 <lblissett> so u generally go for assembly if you need something that is specific, restrained in size or speed or out of curiosity
13:57:04 <captainobvious> it's mostly that compilers deal with pipelining rather well, which is a complete nightmare to do by hand
13:58:22 <captainobvious> in that context, the scraping cycles approach that worked well on older architectures is pretty pointless nowadays
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17:00:39 <joepie91> .
17:00:39 <joepie91> no messages, whoop
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17:11:31 <iceTwy> waaaaaait.
17:11:33 <iceTwy> wait.
17:11:40 <iceTwy> Can you withdraw $ from your MtGox account?
17:18:15 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:18:16 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $525.00, 1 BTC = €531.00
17:25:12 <iceTwy> joepie91: nah.
17:25:15 <iceTwy> the BTC price is wrong
17:25:22 <iceTwy> should be around $600 at least
17:26:37 <joepie91> HAHAHAHA
17:26:48 <joepie91> ex-CEO of the most well-known dutch theme park
17:26:56 <joepie91> who left because people disagreed with him too much
17:27:07 <complex> what
17:27:09 <joepie91> is now planning to set up a competing theme park
17:27:15 <joepie91> right next to the one he used to be CEO of
17:27:17 <complex> wasnt the bitcoin price 400 couple of days ago?
17:27:24 <joepie91> cooperating with asian and indian companies
17:27:32 <joepie91> man, this guy is a troll
17:27:33 <joepie91> lol
17:27:46 <joepie91> complex: yes
17:27:47 <complex> is the price rising still rising VERY fast?
17:27:51 <complex> fuck?
17:27:55 <joepie91> .bitcoin
17:27:56 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $559.99, 1 BTC = €526.00
17:28:00 <complex> i cant wait for a crack then?
17:28:02 <joepie91> looks a bit volatile
17:28:15 <joepie91> complex, http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/
17:30:59 <complex> my
17:31:00 <complex> fucking god
17:33:17 <lysobit> Fucking god is a sin
17:33:37 <iceTwy> lysobit: no shit
17:33:43 <joepie91> lol
17:34:07 <lysobit> No shit smells good
17:34:08 <complex> this is so fucked up. i had never in my wildest dreams thought that bitcoins would vary with 200 dollars each day
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17:35:28 <lysobit> I don't see how the price of mBTC varying by $0.2 each day wild...?
17:35:37 <joepie91> complex: the problem in that sentence is "200 dollars"
17:35:38 <lysobit> I don't see how the price of mBTC varying by $0.2 each day is wild...?*
17:35:51 <joepie91> complex: absolute numbers are meaningless here
17:35:59 <joepie91> you should be looking at relative numbers, ie. percentages
17:36:00 <complex> ok i guess
17:36:15 <joepie91> and if you do that, you'll find that this kind of fluctuation is not a new thing
17:36:17 <joepie91> it happens occasionally
17:36:57 <lysobit> I'm thinking of taking out a bitcoin to do some day-trading on Mountain Goxious for fun
17:37:12 <joepie91> lysobit: expect to lose it :)
17:37:13 <complex> lysobit: do you really have time for day-trading?
17:37:21 <lysobit> probably not
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17:37:30 <lysobit> joepie91: I probably will, but it's just for fun
17:38:08 <lysobit> joepie91: I think we can safely assume that everytime Bitcoin reaches a new high, it always goes down dramatically, and then back up. Even if it's over a small period of time
17:38:13 <complex> what is mountain goxious?
17:38:22 <complex> google says nothing
17:38:46 <joepie91> lol
17:38:47 <lysobit> complex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ku1A5Ox8U
17:38:49 <joepie91> complex: he means mt gox
17:39:19 <joepie91> <lysobit>joepie91: I think we can safely assume that everytime Bitcoin reaches a new high, it always goes down dramatically, and then back up. Even if it's over a small period of time
17:39:20 <joepie91> well yes
17:39:25 <joepie91> that's basically what happens
17:39:25 <joepie91> :P
17:39:29 <lysobit> well exactly
17:39:49 <lysobit> so there's a good chance of turning 1 bitcoin to 2
17:39:51 <lysobit> when that happens
17:40:19 <lysobit> China is inexperienced when it comes to Bitcoin bubbles, they're still naive
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17:44:50 <joepie91> lysobit: eh, you say that
17:44:57 <joepie91> but I wouldn't be so sure about that
17:45:03 <joepie91> it's been ongoing in China for some time now
17:45:06 <joepie91> just not reported on much
17:45:19 <complex> lysobit: you didnt answer me on pm before i left
17:45:31 <lysobit> I didn't get any PM
17:45:56 <complex> why
17:46:14 <lysobit> joepie91: are you aware how much BTC China has grown since Baidu? It overtook Mt. Gox. Still a lot of new adaptors
17:46:28 <lysobit> complex: I didn't receive any PMs
17:46:47 <joepie91> lysobit: I am well aware; but that's most likely not the large investors
17:47:12 <complex> whatever. you said silk road did only have a minor affect the bicoin-currency on twitter
17:47:35 <complex> which i find hard to believe
17:50:23 <lysobit> What I mean that the Silk Road shutdown did not have much of an effect on the value
17:50:26 <lysobit> is that*
17:51:14 <lysobit> I suspect that in the early days though, Bitcoin would be not what it is today without the black market
17:52:14 <complex> 1.5% of the total bitcoins in the world were seized by FBI
17:53:14 <lysobit> It doesn't make much of a difference if those Bitcoins were just being hoarded anyway. They're still being hoarded, just by a different owner
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17:53:56 <lysobit> it probably raises the value of BTC in the long term, though
17:54:04 <crafy_d> o/
17:54:17 <beowulf> I can't remember the site I found but I saw a chinese site with over 5 million BTC O_o just think how how much that's worth now!
17:56:00 <complex> approximately 3.5 billion dollars
17:57:03 <lysobit> 5 million BTC? I doubt it. That's almost half of all the Bitcoins in existance today
17:57:27 <beowulf> let me see if i can find it again
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18:00:56 <Riddler> hello
18:03:39 <complex> but
18:03:59 <complex> so bitcoins has increased 100% the last two days approximately?
18:04:16 <complex> i consider that much
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18:06:20 <complex> ok, 50%
18:06:23 <complex> something over that
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18:08:35 <complex> is mtgox often ddosed? and is mtgox the most usual way of selling/buying bitcoins?
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18:11:35 <complex> is mtgox often ddosed? and is mtgox the most usual way of selling/buying bitcoins?
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18:29:21 <iceTwy> Does anyone have an OKPay account?
18:41:52 <lysobit> .title http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-megastore-ready-holiday-shoppers-160900181.html
18:41:54 <botpie91> lysobit: Bitcoin MegaStore is Ready for Holiday Shoppers - Yahoo Finance
18:41:57 <lysobit> BitcoinShop.US Offers Over 100,000 Items Across 400 Categories for Holiday Shoppers
18:42:57 <lysobit> BitcoinShop.US
18:42:59 <lysobit> oops
18:43:04 <lysobit> https://www.bitcoinshop.us/grocery-gourmet-food/candy/melville-candy-lollipops-happy-face-1-3-ounce-lollipops-pack-of-24.html
18:43:06 <lysobit> Candies!
18:45:11 <lysobit> Yeah, I'm not spending $46 on 3 lollipops...
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18:48:21 <monod> http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
18:48:23 <monod> so cool!
18:49:19 <lysobit> Learning Python the hard way is somewhat easy
18:49:37 <monod> that's what he says in the ebook. :)
18:52:03 <iceTwy> monod: long time no see!
18:52:04 <iceTwy> what's up?
18:52:47 <monod> hey iceTwy! :) I came back some days ago and I also highlighted you once XD
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19:01:49 <monod> ping
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19:14:41 <vld> joepie91: bitstamp is ok?
19:28:13 <joepie91> vld: I have not heard anything about them not being okay
19:28:20 <joepie91> I personally use bitonic but that's NL-only
19:28:31 <joepie91> hey, monod
19:28:33 <joepie91> still there?
19:28:59 <joepie91> lysobit: bitcoinshop.us is just another one of those resellers
19:29:05 <joepie91> not really very interesting
19:29:07 <joepie91> there've been a few
19:29:12 <joepie91> and they've all died a quiet death pretty quickly
19:30:01 <joepie91> monod; http://mirnazim.org/writings/python-ecosystem-introduction/
19:32:22 <joepie91> lysobit, others; http://gitter.im/
19:32:32 <joepie91> .title
19:32:33 <botpie91> joepie91: Gitter - Chat, for GitHub
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19:45:40 <joepie91> TIL: YaST, the control panel / configuration / package management thing for openSUSE, is currently written in its own custom language
19:45:55 <joepie91> and is now ported to Ruby
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20:04:43 <monod> hey there joepie! (not highlighting cuz you're busy I imagine!)
20:04:56 <monod> thanks for the link, I just read it on the logs ;)
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20:06:09 <monod> gitter.im is HUGE!!!
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20:06:30 <monod> a "social network" (kind of) among the github userbase!!
20:06:34 <monod> isn't it??
20:18:12 <monod> joepie, that python ecosystem intro is intended for people who know python, he says.. So I have to learn it "the hard way" before that.. :)
20:21:21 <MK_FG> gitter.im looks like a missing github feature
20:21:43 <MK_FG> Something like "PRs, Issues, Chat" :P
20:22:27 <monod> PRs?
20:23:23 <MK_FG> Pull Requests
20:23:37 <monod> oh ok
20:23:49 <iceTwy> monod: absolutely
20:24:05 <monod> the python thing?
20:24:10 <monod> iceTwy, ^
20:24:49 <MK_FG> Also yay I've got a replacement laptop fan and fixed the thing at last
20:26:27 <monod> yay! :)
20:28:49 <monod> guys, while I was sucked in by the blackhole, I went in contact with Steam and one of those MOBA games.. does this cause infection/need some medications in your opinion? :)
20:28:55 <monod> (joking)
20:29:01 <monod> (or, jokingly)
20:29:19 <MK_FG> LoL? DOTA2?
20:29:45 <monod> ehm ehm.. why is that list so short?? xD anyway, yes, DotA 2 :P
20:30:02 <MK_FG> I also don't want to let go of my tabletop machine now and go back to laptop because I can play Shadowrun and AoE2 here
20:30:21 <iceTwy> monod: oh
20:30:25 <monod> YOU DON'T ALWAYS CODE THEN!!
20:30:27 <iceTwy> I meant, MK_FG
20:30:29 <MK_FG> Dunno how sane it'd be to sync configs between the two...
20:30:29 <monod> (MK_ ^)
20:30:43 <monod> lulz iceTwy
20:31:34 <monod> just the other day I was planning a mod (actually a scenario) for AoE2 to make it work like DotA 2 xDD
20:31:51 <monod> s/I was planning/I had the idea of/
20:32:37 <MK_FG> Heh, yeah, that HD thing is like the awesomest thing - doesn't break anything, just makes it work and ups map sizes and population limits if necessary
20:33:22 <monod> hang on a minute - are you talking about the resolution thing?
20:33:33 <monod> or, oops
20:33:51 <monod> I had heard just a few news about AoE2 mods
20:33:57 <monod> have*
20:33:58 <MK_FG> There was AoE2 expansion released some week ago
20:34:06 <monod> expansion?? O_O
20:34:12 * monod googles.
20:34:16 <MK_FG> AoE2 HD: The Forgotten Ones or somthing like that
20:34:26 <monod> haha
20:34:40 <MK_FG> Which is like 13 years since last AoE2 expansion
20:34:53 <MK_FG> And must be 15y since AoE2 itself came out :P
20:34:54 <monod> that's haha x 2
20:35:03 <monod> and that's haha x 15
20:35:06 <monod> wow.
20:35:25 <monod> and my brother is almost yawning at me for the new!!!
20:35:30 <monod> he already knew it xDD
20:36:09 <MK_FG> It's cool, though I'm only playing with AIs because pirated
20:36:29 <monod> know what you mean.
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20:37:23 <MK_FG> Actually I think I played pirated AoE2 over MSN or something like that (official lobby/ladder there) with pirated version back then
20:37:27 <MK_FG> Totally worked
20:37:47 <MK_FG> (derp for x2 "pirated" there)
20:38:31 <MK_FG> And I also just regged on Steam like yesterday
20:38:37 <joepie91> MK_FG: moment
20:38:56 <monod> I tried and read the license agreement before registering up
20:39:02 <monod> signing* up
20:39:03 <joepie91> MK_FG: http://www.voobly.com/
20:39:12 <monod> I know that name!
20:39:18 <joepie91> these guys have a gamespy-like multiplayer network
20:39:19 <monod> VOip?
20:39:26 <monod> ohh
20:39:27 <joepie91> and patches for AoE games and such
20:39:34 <joepie91> so that you can play them online, multiplayer, with matchmaking
20:39:39 <MK_FG> Heh, nah
20:39:41 <joepie91> even on newer windows versions and such
20:39:47 <joepie91> I actually used it, it works really really well
20:39:51 <joepie91> even with pirated versions :)
20:39:54 <MK_FG> I think they removed simple LAN/TCPIP option there
20:39:56 <joepie91> it happily patches those too
20:40:07 <MK_FG> There's only multiplayer lobby now
20:40:15 <joepie91> MK_FG; in voobly?
20:40:19 <MK_FG> (which doesn't work)
20:40:23 <monod> I think in AoE2HD
20:40:24 <MK_FG> In AoE2 HD thing
20:40:27 <joepie91> when I used it, it just replaced the microsoft network thingie and left the rest alone
20:40:28 <joepie91> AoE2HD?
20:40:33 <joepie91> that is a thing?
20:40:55 <MK_FG> But yeah, guess you can play Conquerors - same thing, though not with pop limit 500 and Extra Giant maps :P
20:41:01 <MK_FG> joepie91, AWESOMELY YES!
20:41:04 <monod> http://store.steampowered.com/app/221380/
20:41:18 <monod> extra giant maps? XD
20:41:30 <monod> oh, guys, I have a picture-joke for ya
20:41:33 <MK_FG> And it also has new map types, interesting randomization stuff and such...
20:41:34 <monod> (coming)
20:41:44 <joepie91> MK_FG: mmye, voobly just works with old AoE2
20:41:47 <joepie91> and AoE1
20:41:51 <joepie91> the original games
20:41:52 <joepie91> :)
20:41:58 <joepie91> and a bunch of other games
20:42:21 <MK_FG> Oh, and also it finally haz "Attack Move"
20:42:26 <monod> also because the multiplayer feature seems to have changed a little in HD
20:42:32 <monod> attack move?
20:42:40 <monod> It sounds familiar
20:42:43 <monod> but...
20:42:56 <MK_FG> joepie91, Looks great indeed, Conquerors isn't that far off
20:43:10 <MK_FG> Don't think AoE2 had it, even with Conqs
20:43:37 <MK_FG> There was Patrol though, kinda same thing, I guess
20:43:53 <monod> yet what Attack move basically is?
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20:44:15 <MK_FG> Order mil unit to move and attack everything it encounters on the way
20:44:28 <MK_FG> (every enemy, that is)
20:44:36 <monod> (lol :D)
20:44:55 <monod> wasn't it alraedy possible by putting them in "offensive mode" and letting them go away?
20:44:59 <MK_FG> Damn useful thing to avoid babysitting these
20:45:31 <monod> so they keep going forward instead of getting lost around in the map?
20:45:33 <MK_FG> Iirc you could let them "move", but they didn't stop to attack stuff, even if that was hurting them
20:45:49 <monod> you're right
20:45:57 <MK_FG> I think I used Patrol command for that instead of Move
20:46:01 <monod> and they also would follow the enemy units until death occurred.
20:46:15 <MK_FG> But it had that bad thing where they return :P
20:46:22 <joepie91> MK_FG: half of units defensive, half of units 'patrol'/'guard' to the other half or whatever it was called
20:46:24 <monod> (but if you kept them in Def Mode, they would come back after they've traveled X distance)
20:46:25 <joepie91> was my usual tactic
20:46:40 <joepie91> then send defensive units to other side of the map
20:46:47 <monod> haha
20:46:52 <joepie91> but that was more of a scouting setup really
20:46:57 <monod> ultra-sofisticated-auto-babysitting there :)
20:47:01 <joepie91> :)
20:47:12 <joepie91> I really loved age of mythology
20:47:18 <MK_FG> Yeah, and still should make half useless if attacked on the way, I guess
20:47:21 <joepie91> probably one of the best RTS games I've ever played
20:47:26 <joepie91> MK_FG; but that's fine
20:47:36 <joepie91> guarding group keeps enemy busy
20:47:41 <joepie91> rest walks on unhindered
20:47:56 <joepie91> eventually guarding group rejoins them
20:47:56 <monod> I hated AoMythology because of the poor graphics of ours at that time :)
20:47:57 <joepie91> theoretically
20:48:08 <joepie91> so yeah, guarding group should be fast units
20:48:13 <joepie91> defensive group the slow ones
20:48:19 <joepie91> monod: poor...graphics?
20:48:22 <MK_FG> If even half's enough to wipe out the enemies, sure, I guess
20:48:25 <joepie91> I found the graphics amazing for that time
20:48:38 <MK_FG> I think he means weak graphics card
20:48:41 <joepie91> oh
20:48:41 <joepie91> lol
20:48:47 <monod> joepie91, sorry! I mean the video card of our pc of that time
20:48:51 <joepie91> right :P
20:48:52 <monod> exactly, MK_FG .
20:49:01 <joepie91> monod, do you like RPG games?
20:49:11 <monod> joepie91, oh, it kinda depends :)
20:49:21 <monod> I have not much experience in them.
20:49:29 <joepie91> I might have a recommendation for you :)
20:49:31 <MK_FG> Some call Diablo RPG
20:49:45 <MK_FG> Some insist on BG or something :P
20:50:21 <monod> hasn't Diablo some kind of similar mechanics of LoL and DotA? (just distractedly heard)
20:50:24 <monod> joepie91, I'm all ears.
20:50:26 <joepie91> monod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GApwbUTvF2I
20:50:28 <MK_FG> Also yeah, BG2:EE should be a recommendation!
20:50:39 <joepie91> monod: it's an RTS/RPG hybrid
20:50:40 <monod> ow god
20:50:49 <monod> YOU DON'T CODE ALL THE TIME EITHER!!!! :D
20:50:55 <joepie91> :P
20:51:02 <joepie91> I still prefer spellforce 1 over 2 though
20:51:02 <monod> (jokingjoking)
20:51:06 <joepie91> gameplay-wise
20:51:24 <monod> wow, never heard this one before. Going to take a look at the videoù
20:51:27 <monod> video*
20:52:01 <monod> "This is a video of relatively UNKNOWN games" xDDD
20:52:05 <monod> He's honest.
20:52:08 <MK_FG> I think I played SF1 and 2 back in a day
20:52:10 <monod> anyway, nice lookings so far
20:52:22 <joepie91> monod: it was produced as a budget bin game, which is very obvious from the mediocre voice-acting... but gameplay is excellent
20:52:36 <joepie91> probably the best RTS/RPG combination I've ever seen, really
20:52:40 <MK_FG> Graphics is also nice
20:52:44 <joepie91> and graphics were good for the time
20:52:44 <joepie91> :)
20:53:02 <joepie91> was a bit disappointed at spellforce 2 sys requirements though, it ran fairly heavy
20:53:08 <joepie91> spellforce 1 runs on your fridge, pretty much
20:53:20 <monod> HAHAHA
20:53:28 * monod just plugs it in.
20:53:32 <monod> *BOOM*
20:53:37 <joepie91> let me dig up the sysrqs
20:53:40 <MK_FG> Can't seem to recall any other rts/rpg - rpg's tend to have more of a tactical strategy mixed in
20:53:40 <joepie91> sysreqs *
20:54:04 <joepie91> MINIMUM PC REQUIREMENTS
20:54:05 <joepie91> Windows 98/ME/2000/XP
20:54:05 <joepie91> Pentium III 1GHz Processor
20:54:05 <joepie91> 256MB RAM
20:54:05 <joepie91> 16X CD-ROM Drive
20:54:05 <joepie91> 32MB DirectX compatible Video Card
20:54:05 <joepie91> DirectX compatible Sound Card
20:54:05 <joepie91> DirectX 9.0a
20:54:05 <joepie91> Mouse, Keyboard
20:54:09 <joepie91> (spellforce 1)
20:54:09 <joepie91> lol
20:54:19 <monod> :)))
20:54:29 <monod> What a budget bin game is btw?
20:54:50 <joepie91> monod: "budget bin" is the basket/bin/shelf at some electronics/games/media stores with games for 5 euro
20:54:56 <joepie91> often produced on a low budget
20:55:04 <joepie91> sometimes a bit cheaper or more expensive
20:55:13 <monod> oooh got it
20:55:17 <joepie91> but they're often games with a release price of 20 euro or so, that quickly falls down
20:55:25 <MK_FG> Actually, wait, can MOBAs be considered RTS/RPG? :P
20:55:28 <joepie91> JoWood is a well-known budget bin games publisher in Europe
20:55:29 <joepie91> was *
20:55:34 <joepie91> they've merged into something else now
20:55:43 <joepie91> (and ofc spellforce was published by jowood)
20:55:49 <monod> MK_FG, MOBAs are also known as ARTS :)
20:55:55 <monod> Action Real Time Strategy :)
20:56:04 <MK_FG> Waaat
20:56:05 <joepie91> but yeah, monod, make sure to watch the entire video :P
20:56:07 <joepie91> it gives a very good idea
20:56:13 <monod> and then you can maybe add RPG if you add the champion/hero concept
20:56:24 <monod> joepie91, properly watching it right now :)
20:56:24 <MK_FG> Action RTS is like non-vector Battlezones!
20:56:30 <joepie91> :)
20:56:48 <monod> non-vector what? oh.. I think you mean.. something impossible?
20:56:49 <monod> :D
20:57:10 <MK_FG> Nah, there was just the original 3D Battlezone game...
20:57:24 <MK_FG> Which had vector graphics, not polygons with textures
20:57:37 <MK_FG> Played it on some 8Hz machine
20:57:38 <monod> oh sorry then, I thought there was irony somewhere
20:57:56 <monod> (and I'm not very good at english like you guys, yet O_O)
20:57:58 <MK_FG> (M missing there)
20:58:04 <monod> and lol!
20:58:06 <monod> ah
20:58:09 <monod> xDD
20:58:11 <monod> MHz?
20:58:22 <MK_FG> I think so
20:58:39 <MK_FG> 286 I had was like 12MHz, and that thing was before that
20:58:51 <MK_FG> POISK, russian IBM PC knock-off :P
20:59:25 <MK_FG> Anyways, there were two awesome Action + RTS Battlezone games of 2000s
20:59:25 <monod> what?!
20:59:50 <joepie91> also, monod, Spellforce 2 has a pretty cool intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awy3fo2iIPs
21:00:28 <lysobit> EFnet thinks wire is a bot
21:00:29 <lysobit> [20:59:47] -efnet.xs4all.nl- *** Banned lovely spamming and harassing botnet (2013/11/19 20.59)
21:00:41 <joepie91> lolwat
21:01:05 <lysobit> wire is G-lined
21:01:33 <joepie91> that's a little strange
21:01:51 <joepie91> wait, no it isn't
21:01:55 <joepie91> botpie91 is still connected to efnet
21:02:28 <lysobit> might be to do with my nick or something then
21:03:02 <joepie91> probably
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21:03:53 <monod> had to download YT videos because Gnash is so buggy (or Flash contents are purposedly buggy for Gnash users.. -.-)
21:04:04 <joepie91> 199.241.31.225 was not found active in the database.
21:04:04 <joepie91> Bans set on specific IRC servers are outside our control, so please contact the server/network staff directly for immediate ban removal.
21:04:13 <joepie91> (efnet RBL)
21:04:30 <lysobit> IPv6
21:04:34 <monod> rbl?
21:04:46 <joepie91> oh, hum
21:04:57 <lysobit> connecting to efnet with IPv4 is asking for ddos
21:04:59 <joepie91> monod: blacklist
21:05:02 <lysobit> :P
21:05:07 <monod> oh ok
21:05:26 <lysobit> but yeah, 2604:180::3079:82af was not found active in the database.
21:05:26 <lysobit> Bans set on specific IRC servers are outside our control, so please contact the server/network staff directly for immediate ban removal.
21:07:03 <joepie91> :P
21:09:17 <monod> that's a scary intro!
21:09:35 <monod> and it has very nice lookings
21:09:54 <monod> only thing is that, to me, it does not look like an RTS intro XD
21:11:30 <monod> and here's the joke I was talking about: 1) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Blessed_Virgin_Mary.jpg 2) http://webtrax.hu/myfacewhen/faces/lineart-memes/mother-of-god.jpg
21:11:44 <monod> hahaha
21:14:34 <MK_FG> voobly haz like 1.5k AoE2 players online... wat!?
21:16:49 <joepie91> MK_FG: there's a pretty active player community
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21:17:01 <joepie91> :)
21:17:27 <monod> haha
21:17:32 <monod> anyway, what's BG?
21:17:41 <MK_FG> Baldur's Gate
21:17:41 <monod> Google said "Baldur's Gate"
21:17:43 <monod> oh ok
21:17:57 <MK_FG> That and PST and Arcanum
21:18:03 <MK_FG> Bestest RPGs!
21:18:06 <monod> :D
21:19:06 <MK_FG> Ugh, also Fallout
21:19:24 <monod> you guys are so informed
21:19:25 <MK_FG> Lots of bestest rpgs back then ;)
21:19:49 <monod> I recall a very simple RPG called Castle of the Winds
21:19:58 <monod> I had a demo when I was younger
21:20:27 <MK_FG> Don't think I played that one
21:20:44 <MK_FG> Anyways, sleep time
21:20:47 <monod> but since we did not have very much access to computer early in years, I think I have missed some of these little experiences
21:20:55 <monod> definitely!
21:20:58 <monod> Good night MK!
21:21:31 <MK_FG> Heh, seeing how all these games suddenly get revived, I'd say you don't have to miss anything \o/
21:21:54 <monod> I think I got what you mean
21:22:38 <MK_FG> Also kickstarted good-olde ones so far seem to kick ass (me linking new Shadowrun and there's Wasteland 2 incoming from CRPG dream-team devs)
21:22:38 <monod> the only thing I would forcedly miss is to play them at a younger age, with different mindsets and similar stuff :)
21:22:52 <monod> DREAM-TEAM xD
21:23:05 <monod> CRPG?
21:23:09 <monod> what's the C=
21:23:11 <monod> ?*
21:23:35 <MK_FG> Look it up, it's like writer of PST, designer of the original Fallouts, Avalone on support roles, ...
21:23:47 <monod> ok
21:23:52 <MK_FG> Also guys behind original Wasteland
21:24:00 <MK_FG> CRPG = Computer RPG
21:24:04 <monod> oh ok
21:24:15 <MK_FG> (as opposed to pen-and-paper version, I guess)
21:24:28 <monod> (might be)
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21:24:50 <MK_FG> Now definitely sleep
21:24:55 <monod> :)
21:43:11 <monod> I think that to play Arcanum, creating a new character.. it's such a large process (it seems it has plenty of features to set up during the creation) that it has to immensely bring the player into the game, or better: the player has to immensely dive into the game in order to create a new character
21:43:44 <monod> and I am even not sure of what I'm saying, both because I'm almost sleeping (:D) and because it's a genre of games that I've not used to play
21:44:05 <monod> but, reading stuff on it now
21:45:33 <monod> gotta go (sleeping!)!
21:45:35 <monod> byebye
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22:01:35 <complex> assume people are aware http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3-CC/
22:01:47 <complex> but i still linked it
22:14:14 <iceTwy> Why is the US govt not cashing out its Bitcoins
22:14:35 <iceTwy> At the current rate (MtGox latest) they could cash out 26.06 million dollars
22:14:36 <lysobit> it will
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22:14:43 <iceTwy> 26
22:14:44 <iceTwy> fucking
22:14:46 <iceTwy> million dollars
22:14:57 <lysobit> FBI is planning to liquidate the seized Bitcoins iirc
22:15:04 <iceTwy> yeah well they should
22:15:12 <iceTwy> it'd take the price down to $186/BTC
22:15:25 <lysobit> And I hope they do it sooner than later before the 26 million becomes 26 billion and they control a sizable size of the economy
22:15:46 <iceTwy> they're smart though lysobit
22:16:04 <complex> america FUCK YEAH
22:16:23 <lysobit> .title http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/04/fbi-silk-road-bitcoin-seizure/
22:16:24 <botpie91> lysobit: The FBI's Plan For The Millions Worth Of Bitcoins Seized From Silk Road - Forbes
22:16:44 <lysobit> The FBI initially seized over 26,000 Bitcoins. I asked the FBI spokesperson what the plan is for those cryptocoins. “We will download the Bitcoin and store them,” she said. “We will hold them until the judicial process is over.”
22:16:44 <lysobit> Then what?
22:16:44 <lysobit> “This is kind of new to us,” she said. “We will probably just liquidate them.”
22:17:01 <iceTwy> ah, kk
22:17:11 <joepie91> <iceTwy>Why is the US govt not cashing out its Bitcoins
22:17:17 <joepie91> because they are not "its Bitcoins" yet?
22:17:29 <iceTwy> joepie91: yeah, "until the judicial process is over"
22:17:32 <joepie91> right, yeah
22:17:36 <iceTwy> yup, my mistake
22:17:51 <iceTwy> but erm, chances that DPR isn't convicted are.. lol. slim.
22:33:41 <connor> someone needs to hack the bitcoins
22:34:13 <joepie91> ...
22:34:34 <connor> why not
22:36:06 <joepie91> connor: first of all, the phrase "hack the bitcoins" is utter bullshit and leads me to believe that you don't really know what you're talking about
22:36:16 <connor> haha
22:36:29 <joepie91> second, assuming you mean stealing the bitcoins, how would you propose doing that?
22:36:47 <connor> I am simply stating, someone should hack and take over the seized bitcoins
22:37:59 <connor> I have no idea how you would technically do it, but it isn't impossible
22:38:42 * joepie91 sighs
22:38:44 <joepie91> connor
22:38:55 <joepie91> first of all, please learn how Bitcoin works
22:39:10 <joepie91> and why your phrase "hack bitcoins" is bullshit
22:39:17 <joepie91> which you are still repeating
22:39:19 <connor> are you trying to claim that bitcoins cannot be stolen?
22:39:37 <joepie91> connor: are you reading what I am saying, or are you reading what you THINK I am saying?
22:39:45 <joepie91> because that isn't even vaguely similar to what I said
22:40:11 <connor> my phrase was perfectly fine in the context of the conversation
22:40:44 <connor> "hack the bitcoins", refering to the seized bitcoins
22:41:08 <joepie91> no, it isn't.
22:41:10 <joepie91> go learn why.
22:41:17 <connor> "hack" - gaining unauthorized access to these bitcoins (in other words stealing them)
22:41:26 <joepie91> yeah, no, nice try
22:41:40 <joepie91> connor: do you even know what a 'bitcoin' is?
22:42:05 <connor> yes
22:42:23 <connor> but please explain why my phrase is incorrect
22:42:37 <joepie91> connor: so, tell me, what do you think a bitcoin is
22:42:42 <joepie91> then I'll explain to you why your phrase is incorrect
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22:45:59 <joepie91> <joepie91>connor: so, tell me, what do you think a bitcoin is
22:46:00 <joepie91> <joepie91>then I'll explain to you why your phrase is incorrect
22:46:01 <joepie91> and wb
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22:51:54 <connor> I'll leave that to you, because any answer I give will be wrong
22:52:16 <joepie91> so you don't know what a bitcoin is?
22:52:48 <connor> I do not know how to articulate what a bitcoin is.
22:53:25 <joepie91> then I suspect you don't understand what a bitcoin is at all, because it's very simple to articulate
22:53:31 <joepie91> it's a signed promise
22:54:04 <joepie91> a transaction is just a signature saying "this [part of a] bitcoin is yours now"
22:54:06 <joepie91> in its core
22:54:15 <joepie91> so, a cryptographically signed promise
22:54:22 <joepie91> how do you "hack" a promise?
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22:54:39 <connor> you gain the key(s)
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22:55:21 <lysobit> 35 hours to get a transaction with no fees confirmed .__.
22:55:59 <lysobit> which sucks because now my other transactions are bottlenecked by the unconfirmed transaction
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22:57:10 <joepie91> connor; except you can't really call that "hacking a Bitcoin"
22:57:20 <joepie91> it's "breaking into a Bitcoin -address-", emphasis on address
22:58:02 <joepie91> and you claim that "it's not impossible", and I'm sure that it's possible to send people to infiltrate all major US agencies and use malware thumbdrives to scour all their systems for the keypair
22:58:12 <joepie91> assuming they aren't offline wallets in the first place
22:58:17 <joepie91> but is that really a reasonable expectation?
22:58:23 <lysobit> it's not so much hacking a Bitcoin as it is hacking the storage volume where the private key might be stored
22:58:31 <joepie91> lysobit: other transactions should not be affected by a single stuck one
22:58:32 <joepie91> in theory
22:58:46 <connor> "someone needs to hack the bitcoins" = "someone needs to gain unauthorized access to the bitcoins"
22:58:48 <connor> right?
22:58:59 <joepie91> connor: you don't "access" a bitcoin
22:59:11 <joepie91> at most, you access a bitcoin address
22:59:16 <joepie91> by compromising the keypair
22:59:17 <joepie91> somehow
22:59:28 <lysobit> joepie91: I am sending A -> B, B -> C, where B -> C does not get confirmed or propagated across the network without A -> B getting confirmed first
22:59:39 <joepie91> oh, yeah, then it can be a problem
22:59:46 <joepie91> I thought parallel transactions
22:59:47 <joepie91> not serial
22:59:47 <joepie91> :)
22:59:52 <lysobit> :p
23:00:39 <connor> if you cannot access a bitcoin, then why: "The FBI initially seized over 26,000 Bitcoins."
23:01:31 <joepie91> connor: the same way that "gaining access to a DVD player" doesn't make sense while breaking into a house, but "seizing a DVD player" does...
23:01:46 <joepie91> and I'm not sure why you think that there's some inherent relationship between "gaining access to" and "seizing"
23:01:50 <lysobit> Saying "hack a bitcoin" is like saying "hack a dollar", when you really mean "hack a bank account contain dollars" (vague anology)
23:01:59 <joepie91> pretty much
23:02:24 <lysobit> containing*
23:02:58 <joepie91> lysobit: wtf, I didn't even spot that typo
23:02:59 <joepie91> ._.
23:03:08 <lysobit> :p
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23:05:46 <connor> "a bitcoin" refers to "1 BTC" (this is a unit of a currency) - "bitcoins" refers to a multiple amount of the currency - seeing as it refers to a unit of currency, then it actually can be "used" or "accessed"
23:05:58 <lysobit> "I just think that because it's so complex it might be used for terrorism"
23:06:08 <lysobit> A Senator said that in the Bitcoin hearing today, lol
23:06:21 <lysobit> "Someone will find the transcript but it was basically after the other senators made surprisingly intelligent comments for 2-4 minutes each and when it was his turn he was like "uh...I just think that because it's so complex it might be used for terrorism..." and all the other senators were still looking at him with these looks on their faces like "BRO. WHERE ARE THE REST OF YOUR WORDS?""
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23:06:36 <connor> therefore you can access a bitcoin, in terms of currency
23:07:49 <lysobit> I think that leads to interesting questions, given that all Bitcoins aren't unique and don't have "instances" of themselves
23:08:07 <lysobit> unlike physical currency, which have "instances" of themselve and have IDs, etc
23:09:19 <lysobit> The only thing differentiates "different" Bitcoins is that transaction path they took
23:09:24 <lysobit> the transaction*
23:12:11 <iceTwy> lysobit: ah, terrorism
23:12:15 <iceTwy> the good old excuse innit
23:12:19 * iceTwy rolls his eyes
23:15:32 <lysobit> Also said: "You're talking about regulating it but I'm thinking maybe we should just leave it alone?"
23:17:49 <joepie91> <lysobit>I think that leads to interesting questions, given that all Bitcoins aren't unique and don't have "instances" of themselves
23:17:53 <joepie91> well, they kind of are
23:18:03 <joepie91> they can just be freely split up and combined
23:18:20 <joepie91> but you can uniquely identify each... what to call it
23:18:29 <joepie91> 'amount of BTC'
23:18:59 * joepie91 got a Bitcoin donation!
23:19:38 <lysobit> Congrats, now you can retire.
23:20:18 <joepie91> aw, fuck
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23:20:48 <joepie91> ^ that wasn't haless
23:20:48 <joepie91> :P
23:22:04 <lysobit> joepie91, "1984", nice touch!
23:23:57 <joepie91> lysobit: mm?
23:24:09 <lysobit> wrt Bitcoin donation
23:24:17 <joepie91> OH
23:24:18 <joepie91> hahahaha
23:24:22 <joepie91> only just realized that
23:24:40 * joepie91 looks suspiciously at lysobit
23:25:19 <lysobit> "Public Note: I'm really poor, this is the only way for me to have a living (trying it this way) because i can set any donations to my local currency.. feel free to help me on 1L1JuHzj9sWm94eR5AkVjgDeFqbfaE184d" (from the same address, he also "donated" to the FBI seized coins :P)
23:25:29 <lysobit> https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX
23:28:15 <lysobit> The public notes on that page are fascinating
23:28:47 <lysobit> There's one that says "Public Note: if anyone wants to help me out, feel free. I'm in a really dumpy situation and I'm homeless at the age of 18. My laptop is one of the few belongings i haven't sold yet. If you wanna donate, cool: 1KxRegz85KmsUKdWbxSxpo2kkC6B61i5ov"
23:29:21 <lysobit> And that address received 5 BTC a few days later
23:31:08 <joepie91> heh
23:31:11 <lysobit> Someone sent 130 bitcoins to the FBI address with "Public Note: This is considered a loan, I want it back when the government shutdown is over."
23:31:17 <joepie91> lolol
23:32:45 <complex> probably a stupid billionaire
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23:52:24 <DrWhat> the silk road is open again
23:53:54 <lysobit> joepie91: have you done a Google search on "Arturas Rosenbacher" lately?