Cryto! 14 November 2013
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00:00:57 <probably> this sucks
00:00:58 <probably> I worked hours on that
00:00:59 <probably> ;(
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00:17:11 * joepie91 points at topic
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00:22:04 <cayce> awh icetwy left
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00:24:01 <cayce> and yeah, bitcoins will continue to go up in price. It's required that they go up in "price" to be able to encapsulate all exchange to be done in bitcoins. Same thing as gold back in the day, but bitcoin is highly (if not infinitely) divisible, thus does not suffer from dollar overhang
00:24:50 <cayce> anyhow, I wish icetwy would come back so I can yell at him
00:26:10 <cayce> It's funny that tons of people hem and haw about the "original" bitcoin people having so many, but it truly does not matter
00:26:22 <cayce> not in the slightest
00:27:31 <cayce> if somebody who presently owns a large portion of available bitcoins were to, as is the "fear", dump them, the price would do exactly what it should do -- drop. And then it will do what it also always does, recover.
00:27:48 <cayce> but perhaps more importantly, it's improper to frame bitcoins as units
00:27:59 <cayce> because they're nearly? infinitely divisible
00:28:16 <cayce> they're not dollars, you don't divide them into 100 and that's it
00:28:40 <cayce> there could be 1 btc in existence, and given enough zeros in our processors we'd be able to do everything we do now
00:29:04 <cayce> happenstance there's 22m, eventually
00:29:06 <cayce> doesn't matter
00:29:13 <cayce> arbitrary number for an arbitrary unit
00:30:57 <cayce> anyway, bitcoin prices will stabilize only when they hit (to abuse the term) market saturation
00:31:29 <cayce> or, until a better technology comes along (I actually do not think that will happen)
00:35:17 <cayce> I've become convinced over the years that as an interchangeable good (ala precious metals) bitcoin has better properties than gold (for people, not necessarily for banks and other institutions)
00:36:56 <cayce> but, to recognize it as such you must be prepared to reconceptualize your economics class (you have taken one, haven't you? ;)
00:41:16 <cayce> dude joepie91, my boss has that desk. Hers has a back thing for a monitor (stand?) and on the left goes a table that straps onto it
00:41:49 <joepie91> cayce: I strongly doubt that
00:41:56 <joepie91> seeing as afaik this one is custom made :)
00:42:15 <cayce> it looks exactly like hers o.o
00:42:16 * joepie91 spies a bot connecting
00:42:20 <cayce> even the feet look the same
00:42:27 <cayce> or the legs, can't see feets
00:42:37 <cayce> bots? where?
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00:42:44 <joepie91> oh, oper connect messages
00:42:50 <cayce> :3
00:42:50 <joepie91> I see all connecting/exiting clients
00:42:53 <cayce> oh, woot
00:42:57 <joepie91> cayce: anyway, these legs were put on the desk later
00:43:00 <joepie91> they're actually from another desk
00:43:03 <cayce> ahh
00:43:10 <cayce> well it's very similar to the one my boss has
00:43:14 <joepie91> :P
00:44:07 <cayce> wtf the one guy in my area who sold bitcoins doesn't anymore
00:44:10 <cayce> I should fucking do that
00:46:22 <cayce> actually I want a btc atm
00:50:11 <cayce> I'm waiting for the step 5 years from now when you can use btc without knowing you're using btc
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02:07:49 <probably> joepie91
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02:38:16 <Douglas> botpie91, tell t0p that the arrest was a conspiracy and tell him good luck fending
02:38:17 <botpie91> Douglas: I'll pass that on when t0p is around.
02:41:06 <probably> botpie91, tell t0p that i like pizza
02:41:07 <botpie91> probably: I'll pass that on when t0p is around.
02:41:25 <probably> botpie91, tell joepie91 that i have a question for him
02:41:25 <botpie91> probably: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around.
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12:21:00 <Douglas> oh yay!
12:21:05 <Douglas> im so happy!
12:21:10 <Douglas> they fixed the connection problems
12:21:15 <Douglas> woooohooo
12:23:53 <norbert79> What connection issues?
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12:24:15 <joepie91> morning
12:24:16 <botpie91> joepie91: 02:41Z <probably> tell joepie91 that i have a question for him
12:24:17 <norbert79> Irony...
12:24:22 <norbert79> Morning joepie91
12:25:38 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
12:25:38 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-11-14#T12-25-38
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12:48:57 <DrWhat> probably Did you get anywhere>?
13:08:23 <lysobit> joepie91, you seem to have a "Read error: operation time out" everytime I say this:
13:08:24 <lysobit> 1[01:37] <lysobit> .py exec('import time\nclass joepie91():\n def sleep(self):\n print "yawn"\n while True:\n time.sleep(8999)\njoe = joepie91(); joe.sleep();')
13:09:15 <lysobit> or maybe you're just trolling me
13:10:05 <joepie91> lysobit: lol
13:10:12 <joepie91> you just say it every time before I go to sleep
13:10:17 <joepie91> when I go to sleep, I suspend my machine
13:10:21 <joepie91> thus, read error
13:10:24 <lysobit> oh
13:10:26 <joepie91> :P
13:10:28 <lysobit> so you are trollng me
13:10:29 <lysobit> nice
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13:33:37 <DrWhat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLlAjCXzNwc
13:33:47 <joepie91> .title
13:33:48 <botpie91> joepie91: Get Lucky - (Daft Punk ft. Pharrell) - Beatbox Cover - YouTube
13:45:51 <lysobit> .bitcoin
13:45:52 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $418.01, 1 BTC = €320.00
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15:13:17 <cayce> janet yellen's talking right now, if anybody cares http://www.c-span.org/Events/Senate-Hearing-on-Federal-Reserve-Nomination/10737442622-1/
15:13:38 <cayce> (federal reserve chairman nominee)
15:13:49 <cayce> (if approved, takes office in january)
15:14:28 <MK_FG> Should we expect btc price spike? ;)
15:14:49 <cayce> dunno, when she released her speech last night (text) stocks bumped
15:15:23 <cayce> she wants to keep the cheap money door open (85bn/mo) until this shit is "fixed"
15:15:52 <MK_FG> Hm, what's "cheap money door"?
15:16:17 <cayce> federal reserve gives out ~85bn/mo at like .1% interest rate
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15:16:33 <cayce> joepie91:) you're still an asshole
15:16:36 <MK_FG> Ah
15:16:42 * cayce pees
15:16:44 <MK_FG> That's a trollbot ;)
15:16:48 <cayce> I know
15:16:50 <cayce> but he started it
15:17:00 <cayce> anyway
15:17:19 <cayce> they do two things, give out money super cheap like that as well as buying up shitty debt
15:17:48 <cayce> it sorta cleans up everybody's books, but as far as I can tell doesn't actually help much
15:18:11 <cayce> the economic infrastructure hasn't been cleaned up regulatory-wise, and so I don't see it being anything more than temp fix
15:19:06 <cayce> temp being a different timescale than other things, because in govt economic implementation lag is like 4 years
15:19:13 <cayce> that's like the minimum
15:19:29 <MK_FG> Ok, though you shouldn't probably go into such detail
15:19:37 <cayce> lol
15:19:48 <MK_FG> I don't really understand that stuff, was just wondering about the wording there ;)
15:19:59 <cayce> hehe
15:20:05 <cayce> I've taught econ before
15:20:07 <cayce> >_>
15:20:21 <cayce> it's a favorite subjet
15:20:29 <cayce> subject, or sujet lol
15:20:36 <MK_FG> You say that about every subject
15:20:45 <cayce> correct!
15:20:48 <cayce> :D
15:21:01 * cayce learns many things
15:22:27 <norbert79> Who the fuck was the twitdipshit who thought it's funny for Windows to recognize the first primary partition only for an MSDOS based Partition table?
15:22:48 <norbert79> I can't frickin properly create a hidden partition table, not even having one with two partitions...
15:23:13 <norbert79> pendrive, two partitions, first containing exe files, second partition for the hidden data
15:23:13 <MK_FG> Hm, you can't?
15:23:17 <norbert79> won't damn work
15:23:28 <norbert79> as I can't encrypt the second partition as it's not recognized by WIndows
15:23:36 <MK_FG> Doesn't win have some kind of device-mapper tool?
15:23:37 <norbert79> so I can't select it either
15:23:46 <norbert79> checked, it says: An error occured
15:23:51 <MK_FG> I.e. just map blockN-blockM of devX as devY
15:23:53 <norbert79> when checking for the second partition
15:23:59 <norbert79> Windows
15:24:02 <norbert79> not Linux
15:24:11 <MK_FG> Surely there's gotta be tools
15:24:30 <norbert79> I try using Truecrypt forcreating a pendrive for having two partitions
15:24:38 <norbert79> 1.) truecrypt exe
15:24:43 <norbert79> 2.) hidden data
15:24:53 <MK_FG> Though I guess if the point is to have that thing recognizable everywhere without tools, that might be bad...
15:25:07 <norbert79> 2.) this section while still having a proper entry as primary partition AAAND formatted well Windows won't attach any letters to it
15:25:21 <norbert79> so I could create a proper encrypted volume
15:25:26 <norbert79> no, it refuses
15:26:46 <norbert79> fuck this, I will just encrypt the whole device... grmbl
15:27:51 <MK_FG> Yeah, I'd think if your pendrive have one clear partition with fishy goop and no frag, containing just one truecrypt.exe, it's not much of a question if there's a hidden partition there :P
15:28:17 <norbert79> well, sure, but still, good luck decrypting :)
15:28:25 <norbert79> also, it's a helper for me, as I will not give out that pendrive :)
15:28:29 <MK_FG> Though I thought truecrypt only created these on encrypted partitions
15:28:47 <norbert79> it can do a container, normal volume encryption, and hidden partition
15:29:36 <MK_FG> But if hidden thing is on top of e,g, fat32...
15:30:00 <MK_FG> ...then its blocks can easily be overwritten, I guess
15:32:07 <norbert79> it's a bit more compilacated, than that... Anyway I can't really do with MSDOS partition tables using Pendrives in Windows...
15:46:23 <MK_FG> Windows is complicated
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16:36:29 <cayce> agh fuck
16:36:54 <cayce> firefox is dropping spdy/2 for 27, and there's no public work being done on spdy3 in nginx
16:36:54 <cayce> e.e
16:38:41 <cayce> woops
16:38:47 <cayce> it got backed out and will hit ff28
16:38:48 <cayce> hahaha
16:39:00 <cayce> "based on some vendor discussions with both servers and chrome, I want to delay this by a six week cycle to give folks a slightly longer chance to update server side support."
16:39:05 <cayce> aka nginx
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16:42:08 <MK_FG> Sounds weird
16:42:22 <MK_FG> Like, why'd you care, if it can be negotiated
16:42:33 <MK_FG> (about server side)
16:43:31 <MK_FG> When server side hits the fan, it should also be better if oldish versions would have support in place already, even if just for testing
16:45:14 <joepie91> <cayce>joepie91:) you're still an asshole
16:45:14 <joepie91> :D
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16:46:03 <cayce> MK_FG:) it's not, they're completely dropping support for spdy2. they will only support 3.0 and 3.1 when this hits release
16:46:40 <MK_FG> Hmmph
16:46:51 <cayce> MK_FG:) also, that isn't unfortunately how spdy tends to work, it's usually just one or perhaps two versions impl server side
16:47:03 <MK_FG> Guess it's freaking great no one use that crap yet
16:47:09 <cayce> mostly they're trying to push towards spdy/4, but that isn't golded yet
16:47:29 <cayce> that and any work done for spdy/4 sets them up for http/2.0
16:47:38 <cayce> because they're almost the same
16:47:45 <cayce> (spdy/4 is the basis for http/2)
16:48:59 <MK_FG> Or dunno, is "upgrade your httpds, internet or your crap won't work anymore" really better than the crap we have with old-as-hell tls?
16:49:32 <MK_FG> Nah, availability over security \o/
16:49:33 <cayce> I like the idea of slowly moving towards better
16:49:40 <cayce> well it doesn't matter, in the end
16:49:50 <cayce> if it doesn't do spdy/2, it just negotiates tls like anything else
16:50:25 <MK_FG> Ah, right, tls is still a lingua-france fallback
16:50:27 <MK_FG> *franca
16:51:01 <cayce> yep
16:51:16 <cayce> I mean spdy is all negotiated by NPN for now
16:51:19 <cayce> and ALPN shortly
16:51:26 <cayce> (since npn is deprecated)
16:52:39 <MK_FG> And both are still tls extensions
16:52:50 <cayce> yep
16:52:59 <cayce> that's why I love all this new shit
16:53:07 <cayce> it all falls back perfectly in the case of "doesn't support"
16:53:28 <MK_FG> Haha, yeah, all the way back to some broken SSL
16:53:34 <MK_FG> :P
16:55:00 <MK_FG> Also, in the grand scheme of things, aren't all these fallbacks essentially fossilize all the broken crap below, like tcp/ip, ssl, tls, ...
16:55:17 <MK_FG> So we never can have nice things!
16:56:12 <cayce> meh
16:56:39 <cayce> that's kind of a perfect solution versus worse is better argument
16:57:11 <cayce> it's also why none of this will be used for years
16:57:27 <cayce> spdy is a pretty perfect solution... and look at the adoption rates
16:57:47 <cayce> I suspect http2, as amazing as it is, will be similar
16:58:03 <cayce> and it's like, the same shit with ipv6
16:58:08 <MK_FG> Screw them all when we can have cjdns
16:58:12 <cayce> everything supports it these days, and nobody uses it
16:58:26 <MK_FG> And ccnx
16:58:33 <cayce> well yeah
16:58:44 <cayce> I need to review that shit with grundy
16:58:52 <MK_FG> :P
16:58:55 <cayce> cjd told me to call him on it when he's being an idiot
16:59:10 <MK_FG> Meh
16:59:16 <MK_FG> I liked grundy
16:59:26 <MK_FG> cjd is one mean bastard
16:59:34 <cayce> well, it's a badge of honor more than anything
16:59:44 <cayce> to give someone the specific duty of calling you on your bullshit
16:59:54 <cayce> I take shit like that seriously
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17:00:30 <cayce> I suspect cjd will be an ass occasionally. He's implementing his idea and there are a bunch of idiots trying to tell him how to do it
17:00:37 <cayce> I suspect that's a tenuous relationship
17:01:04 <MK_FG> Sure, occasional snap can certainly be forgiven
17:01:05 <cayce> backseat driver problem
17:01:12 <cayce> lol
17:01:38 * joepie91 just got back from ergotherapist
17:02:06 <MK_FG> ergo...
17:02:15 <joepie91> MK_FG: mm?
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17:02:27 * MK_FG looks it up in wiktionary
17:02:36 <cayce> ergo is latin and not associated with a profession for me
17:02:46 <joepie91> err, it's called "ergotherapeut" here
17:02:48 <cayce> I can only suspect ergonomic
17:02:55 <joepie91> seeing as "therapeut" translates to "therapist" in English
17:03:02 <joepie91> and several others recognized the word ergotherapist
17:03:02 <cayce> yes but what do they do
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17:03:07 <joepie91> I assume it is at least vaguely correct
17:03:15 <cayce> I've literally never heard it before
17:03:18 <joepie91> .w ergotherapist
17:03:19 <botpie91> Couldn't get any definitions for ergotherapist.
17:03:21 <cayce> ^
17:03:22 <joepie91> helpful, botpie
17:03:24 <joepie91> .w ergotherapy
17:03:25 <botpie91> Couldn't get any definitions for ergotherapy.
17:03:27 <joepie91> really?
17:03:29 <joepie91> .wik ergotherapy
17:03:30 <cayce> nope
17:03:30 <botpie91> "Occupational therapy, often called OT, is the use of treatments to develop, recover, or maintain the daily living and work skills of people with a physical, mental or developmental condition." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotherapy
17:03:43 <joepie91> well that's not very helpful either
17:03:46 <cayce> occupational therapist, I've heard of that
17:03:47 <MK_FG> Says "occupational therapy", yeah
17:03:49 <joepie91> cayce: going there for RSI basically
17:03:53 <cayce> yeah
17:04:05 <joepie91> something stuck in my neck / upper back, as I thought
17:04:11 <cayce> ahh
17:04:12 <MK_FG> Can one fellow really cover all occupations like that?
17:04:13 <joepie91> far too tense
17:04:19 <cayce> lmao
17:04:25 <cayce> they try ;)
17:04:25 <joepie91> result: sensitive / pressured arms
17:04:30 <joepie91> and wrist likely also a result of that
17:04:36 <cayce> hmm
17:04:42 <MK_FG> I mean, surely one person can have RSI, other STD, other a bunch of bricks falling on his head...
17:04:44 <cayce> so you've got a foreign body in there?
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17:04:57 <joepie91> MK_FG: actually I intentionally picked a 'clinic' that has multiple specialized therapists
17:05:04 <joepie91> cayce: ?
17:05:31 <cayce> "something stuck in my neck"
17:05:34 <cayce> == object
17:05:36 <joepie91> cayce: no
17:05:41 <joepie91> I just find it hard to describe
17:05:42 <joepie91> in English
17:05:46 <joepie91> my medical English is suck
17:05:50 <cayce> ahh
17:06:19 <MK_FG> I've undergone manual therapy for the back as a child
17:07:15 <MK_FG> That was intense, back cracking as the guy basically breaks it
17:07:26 <cayce> yap
17:07:47 <cayce> my doctors were freaked out for years due to a bend in my spine
17:08:09 <cayce> turns out it's probably from when I was little and my doctors manually "opened" my ribcage
17:08:21 <cayce> cause it was going to be too small for my guts later in life (it still sort of is)
17:08:47 <cayce> I'mma look really funny if I ever gain weight
17:08:51 <cayce> lol
17:08:56 <MK_FG> Ugh
17:09:15 <MK_FG> I thought you had some computer-induced back issues ;)
17:09:44 <MK_FG> Guess pretty much everyone exposed to that first-gen crappy hardware as a child has
17:09:57 <cayce> no o.o
17:10:02 <cayce> I had no first gen crappy hardware
17:10:03 <cayce> lol
17:10:13 <cayce> I started on a p3 :D
17:19:33 <DrWhat> cayce lets fuck
17:19:42 * DrWhat strips down to a butt
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17:20:04 <cayce> why do you insist on being offensive
17:20:09 <cayce> go the fuck away, dude
17:20:58 <DrWhat> Because I am who I make my self with no disrigard for the population of hgihest teir
17:21:18 <MK_FG> Heh
17:21:21 <DrWhat> I made that up
17:21:29 <DrWhat> I made sense in my head
17:21:41 <DrWhat> Now that i read it back im like
17:21:46 <DrWhat> WHAT WAS I THINKING!
17:25:47 <DrWhat> https://vine.co/v/hTDbK0v2KDx
17:25:50 <DrWhat> .title
17:25:51 <botpie91> DrWhat: Kyle Newsome's post on Vine
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17:37:25 <DrWhat> Sue?
17:37:26 <DrWhat> Girl?
17:37:29 <DrWhat> Like?
17:37:35 <DrWhat> With a vagina and such
17:37:53 <joepie91> DrWhat: stop doing that, seriously
17:37:58 <DrWhat> ^_^
17:38:02 <joepie91> no, I'm serious
17:38:02 <iceTwy> DrWhat: what joepie91 said
17:38:06 <iceTwy> it isn't even remotely funny
17:43:12 <Zekka> Obama, Internet, Ham Radio...!
17:43:16 <Zekka> oops
17:43:20 <Zekka> I have no iea how that happened
17:43:31 <Zekka> I mean literally, that isn't even on any of the webpages I'm reading
17:43:36 <Zekka> apparently it was in my clipboard
17:43:51 <Zekka> Was just going to say I have class, I'll be back sometime later
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17:50:15 <joepie91> haha what
18:03:51 <cayce> agh I have fucked up my pasta three times now
18:03:52 <cayce> e.e
18:08:41 <iceTwy> cayce: lrn2pasta
18:08:55 <cayce> I have
18:09:03 <cayce> I just keep forgetting it's on the stove
18:09:03 <iceTwy> dude it's not hard
18:09:05 <iceTwy> cook them al dente
18:09:11 <iceTwy> then put on a timer
18:09:12 <cayce> that requires watching them
18:09:13 <iceTwy> :p
18:09:18 <cayce> no o.o
18:09:18 <iceTwy> oh you lazy boy
18:09:21 <iceTwy> 11 minutes of your time
18:09:23 <cayce> haet timer
18:09:26 <cayce> more like 8
18:09:29 <cayce> >_>
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18:09:32 <iceTwy> depends on the kind of pasta
18:09:38 <cayce> 8 minutes I could spend doing other things
18:09:48 * cayce hates having to feed himself
18:10:42 <iceTwy> cayce: 8 minutes that will produce edible food
18:11:03 <iceTwy> food, without which you won't be productive if you don't eat it
18:11:11 <cayce> :/
18:11:14 <iceTwy> so spending time to cook is actually making you productive
18:11:25 <iceTwy> in a way
18:11:38 <iceTwy> cayce: plus I'd much rather feed myself than rely on prepared meals
18:11:38 <cayce> doesn't mean I resent having to do it any less
18:11:39 <cayce> >_>
18:11:44 <iceTwy> aw
18:11:46 <cayce> No, I just don't eat
18:11:50 <cayce> I won't eat that bullshit
18:12:00 <iceTwy> what bullshit? prepared meals?
18:12:02 <cayce> yes
18:12:16 <cayce> those things are fucking horrible in the us
18:12:18 <cayce> and far more expensive
18:12:50 <iceTwy> yeah ikr. they're extremely expensive here too
18:13:01 <iceTwy> 5 to 7€ for a single prepared meal
18:13:27 <cayce> they're cheaper than that here, but still way more expensive than making food
18:13:36 <cayce> I think pasta is the most expensive food I eat
18:13:49 <cayce> around 1$ per meal?
18:13:57 <iceTwy> hm
18:14:16 <cayce> I dunno how steak works out though, that might be more expensive
18:14:27 <cayce> but it's also more meals (usually I try for 2, even though that's a terrible idea)
18:14:49 <cayce> but that's because I can't actually carry enough food to campus
18:14:54 <cayce> not enough room in my bag
18:15:02 <cayce> I already take 1-2lbs per day
18:15:21 <cayce> and I'm usually out of food by the time I leave, which is bad
18:15:45 <cayce> out of good being "haven't eaten in 3 hours" which means my energy level is nonexistent
18:15:55 <cayce> and I'm supposed to ride 4.5 miles home
18:16:06 <cayce> s/good/food/
18:16:19 * cayce complains
18:17:46 <joepie91> cayce
18:17:51 <joepie91> use my approach
18:17:59 <joepie91> cook for a few days, store food in fridge
18:18:06 <joepie91> then heat using freezer bag in pan of boiling water
18:18:16 <joepie91> takes less time for same productivity and good food!
18:18:24 <cayce> I can't cook enough food that far ahead, and there isn't enough fridge space to keep it if I could
18:18:32 <joepie91> ah :(
18:18:34 <cayce> also a problem, I don't eat at home
18:18:47 <cayce> must be eaten on campus, where I am for 8-14 hours per day (on an average day)
18:19:03 <cayce> they have no facilities for such, they want us to buy their expensive as shit food
18:19:23 <cayce> and yeah, I cook rice ahead of time
18:19:27 <cayce> vegetables too
18:19:38 <cayce> and steak on sunday nights
18:19:51 <cayce> (cook 4-5lbs for the week)
18:20:12 <cayce> I want a cheaper alternative, but I haven't worked one out yet
18:20:42 <cayce> the problem is the volume of food I have to bring more than anything
18:20:58 <cayce> people all bring nice little things of delicious food... that would last me 2 hours
18:21:35 <cayce> I mean, it's a major logistics problem lol
18:24:04 <MK_FG> Logistics? Surely transporting daily ration is easy
18:24:57 <cayce> transporting enough is not
18:25:04 <MK_FG> Your stormach can't hold more than few kilos!
18:25:23 <MK_FG> And I guess you don't eat like 5 times in 8-14h
18:25:25 <cayce> I already take a bucket that is 8 inches to a side and 4 inches deep
18:25:36 <cayce> I eat almost a full meal every 3 hours
18:25:37 <cayce> so, yes
18:25:38 <cayce> I do
18:26:00 <cayce> :|
18:27:07 <MK_FG> Hmph, maybe you should do something about that parasites in your intstines
18:27:32 <cayce> the only way to decrease how much food I need is to stop biking to school
18:28:07 <cayce> which would mean my transport time would increase from 25minutes each way to an hour+ each way
18:29:12 <MK_FG> Which can be nice, if you have stuff to read
18:29:23 <MK_FG> (like, daily load of feeds)
18:29:40 <MK_FG> Or you can get more energy-efficient food
18:29:45 <cayce> I don't have a way to look at feeds
18:29:50 <MK_FG> Like plutonium
18:29:51 <cayce> on the bus, I assume
18:30:15 <MK_FG> Sure you do, just get a e-ink reader!
18:30:21 <cayce> >buy
18:30:23 <cayce> no
18:30:30 <MK_FG> They should be cheaper than food anyway
18:30:35 <MK_FG> And second-had almost free
18:30:36 <cayce> not really
18:30:44 <cayce> maybe second hand, but not new
18:30:54 <cayce> I only pay 30/week for food right now
18:30:59 <cayce> which is about as high as I'm willing to go
18:31:04 <MK_FG> They cost like $50 new here
18:31:14 <MK_FG> And $15 used
18:31:22 <cayce> hmm, not bad
18:31:30 <cayce> I don't actually want one, but that's a decent price
18:31:40 <MK_FG> I'd send you mine, but shipping would probably be more expensive
18:31:42 <cayce> more interested in food with more calories >_>
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19:20:43 <cayce> hmm... taking a bus into the sketchy town nearby at 3am and waiting 1hr there... sounds like a great idea
19:20:45 <cayce> >_>
19:24:23 <complex> let me guess, that part is the "immigrant"-part
19:24:36 <complex> of the town
19:25:07 <cayce> yeah, it is
19:25:11 <cayce> well, not part
19:25:15 <cayce> it's the immigrant town
19:25:22 <cayce> lotta shootings over there, heh
19:25:43 <cayce> few over here, too, but less
19:27:42 <cayce> hmm, I think the bus only runs saturday mornings e.e
19:27:55 <cayce> I guess I'll have to take the silly once per day bus e.e
19:28:09 <complex> i have realized i will just risk being called a racist if i start debating about it, so instead i am sarcastic about it
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19:28:52 <cayce> lol, I figured you were going to call me a racist
19:28:54 * cayce shrugs
19:29:33 <complex> i dont think i mind the debate either, but i dont like how people that are against immigration are portrayed as being plane stupid
19:29:56 <complex> i dont called you racist
19:31:58 <cayce> that's a pretty big topic though
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19:36:28 <MK_FG> #FirstWorldProblems
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19:38:28 <cayce> lol
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20:36:31 <iceTwy> so
20:36:38 <iceTwy> just finished watching a documentary on the darknet
20:36:47 <iceTwy> that aired on France 2's Envoye Spécial
20:36:49 <iceTwy> envoyé*
20:37:16 <iceTwy> which is basically an investigative journalism weekly show, that airs a couple of documentaries at a time
20:37:42 <iceTwy> I couldn't believe the amount of flaws in their documentary
20:37:45 <iceTwy> Like
20:37:46 <iceTwy> just.. wow.
20:38:30 <iceTwy> cc joepie91
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20:45:12 <joepie91> ofc
20:45:28 <joepie91> iceTwy: it's news nowadays when a documentary *isn't* massively inaccurate
20:45:55 <iceTwy> joepie91: well
20:46:00 <iceTwy> the second part wasn't THAT inaccurate
20:46:19 <iceTwy> it finally explained that the Darknet was also used as a legitimate tool
20:46:24 <iceTwy> for bypassing censorship and so forth
20:46:36 <iceTwy> they talked about cryptoanarchism too
20:46:42 <iceTwy> which, y know, is pretty good
20:47:03 <iceTwy> but that second part came after the first one where they went like, "Tor = drugs + CP"
20:47:17 <iceTwy> and Bitcoin = virtual money to buy drugs
20:51:20 <complex> joepie91: not english speaking?
20:52:12 <joepie91> complex: wha?
21:07:50 <complex> the documentary
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22:22:56 <probably> joepie91
22:22:59 <probably> did u get my message?
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23:08:12 <probably> .bitcoin
23:08:13 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $417.75, 1 BTC = €317.00
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23:29:52 <complex> lysobit: you havent tried to make a pseudorandom numbergenerator yourself?
23:55:23 <probably> -,- stupid internet