Cryto! 10 November 2013
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01:49:10 <probably> icetwy
01:52:48 <iceTwy> probably:
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03:15:03 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
03:15:04 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $312.00, 1 BTC = €252.00
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03:56:10 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
03:56:11 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $300.10, 1 BTC = €245.10
03:56:14 <DrWhat> Nooo
03:56:22 <DrWhat> Price is going down :'(
03:56:32 <DrWhat> I want to buy somthing at $330 rate
04:04:35 <DrWhat> 0 connections to Bitcoin network :(
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04:40:22 <DrWhat> .bitcoin
04:40:23 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $270.00, 1 BTC = €222.08
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06:20:25 <MK_FG> Ah, there's the true spam
06:24:06 <DrWhat> -f wins
06:24:25 <DrWhat> they all have ident turkey
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07:09:04 <Riddler> hello
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08:14:09 <DrWhat> Im so sexy
08:14:15 <DrWhat> Woman want to sex me
08:21:54 <DrWhat> fuickdzs gbzsd\hvgzsecvt
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09:53:36 <joepie91> yay!
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09:58:24 <DrWhat> joepie91 You fixxed
09:58:57 <joepie91> yes, hub went down
09:59:31 <DrWhat> ofc it did
10:01:58 <joepie91> for some reason leaves didn't auto-reconnect when hub came back
10:02:01 <joepie91> I'll have to look into that...
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10:13:07 <DrWhat> joepie91 ever find out who was spamming
10:19:00 <joepie91> DrWhat: I've known for some time, I'm just not entirely sure what nick he has cahnged to
10:19:05 <joepie91> changed *
10:19:47 <joepie91> I don't mind -too- much tbh
10:19:51 <joepie91> it's a good chance to test my bot-fu a bit more
10:24:44 <DrWhat> I can test it for you :3
10:24:59 <DrWhat> Just say the word
10:25:22 <DrWhat> Istill have my warnet
10:25:34 <DrWhat> 4 years strong
10:25:36 <DrWhat> :)
10:25:59 <DrWhat> Ohhh all so
10:26:06 <DrWhat> if you has his ip
10:26:14 <DrWhat> we can see who times out
10:26:18 <DrWhat> :3
10:26:48 <DrWhat> ijs
11:06:51 <joepie91> DrWhat: no
11:07:02 <DrWhat> :(
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11:12:13 <DrWhat> joepie91 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmKmVvCzkw
11:28:34 <complex> why are they not making more such computer models so that pedophiles can fap to them instead
11:35:10 <complex> stupid, but i guess it sounds good to destroy the pedophiles' lives instead
11:35:18 <MK_FG> Heh, because dumb govs make it as illegal as raping real children
11:35:27 <MK_FG> (before camera)
11:36:01 <MK_FG> Here they block anime and hentai sites (4chan, even) on the basis that it's a "child porn" - nuff said :P
11:36:50 <complex> where you live
11:36:58 <MK_FG> Soviet Russia
11:37:21 <complex> are you serious they are blocking 4chan in russia?
11:37:47 <DrWhat> [11:35:18am] (&MK_FG) Heh, because dumb govs make it as illegal as raping real children
11:37:49 <DrWhat> Yeah
11:38:01 <complex> i didnt know
11:38:11 <DrWhat> 3d animated children is also alligal
11:38:28 <complex> i dont get why that should be so
11:38:46 <complex> or
11:38:55 <MK_FG> Not currently
11:39:11 <complex> russia is pretty strict towards homosexuals as well, so it kind of makes more sense then
11:39:27 <MK_FG> http://rublacklist.net/3696/
11:39:29 <complex> but gay rights should be pretty much equivalent with the rights of pedophiles
11:39:38 <MK_FG> (was in Dec 2012)
11:40:05 <MK_FG> Yeah, it's probably like US in some 80s ;)
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11:49:35 <MK_FG> First net was awash with violations of privacy, now news of anal probings popping everywhere...
11:54:54 <DrWhat> Hey joepie91
11:54:56 <DrWhat> I saw this
11:54:57 <DrWhat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqwvLlKr22s&feature=c4-overview&list=UU9LsVV4g_5e_ImaW3W8ay-g
11:55:01 <DrWhat> and it remided me of you
12:32:22 <DrWhat> .whois samara24.ru
12:32:23 <botpie91> Domain 04samara24.ru, registered on 042007-05-02T00:00:00 via 04RU-CENTER-REG-RIPN, expires on 042014-05-02T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.hsmedia.ru., ns2.ngs.ru., ns.hsmedia.ru., ns.ngs.ru., contact e-mails are 04not available
12:32:59 <DrWhat> hmmm
12:33:08 <DrWhat> Theres a botnet on that network
12:42:41 <MK_FG> Network? Looks like a portal of Samara city
12:43:04 <joepie91> .bitcoin
12:43:05 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $308.93, 1 BTC = €247.50
12:49:55 <DrWhat> Yes, but the network is backdoored
12:54:41 <joepie91> sooooo
12:54:51 <joepie91> Hyves archiving phase 1 (user discovery) has started
12:54:54 <joepie91> information here: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves
12:55:08 <joepie91> the Warrior DOES NOT YET WORK for this project due to an implementation difference
12:55:14 <joepie91> but the manual setup -does- work
12:55:17 <joepie91> it's low-bandwidth
12:59:16 <complex> DrWhat: lol that song is very catchy
13:04:37 <DrWhat> complex Ofc
13:04:40 <DrWhat> Its joepie91
13:05:20 <joepie91> that's not me D:
13:21:05 <DrWhat> it is
13:21:07 <DrWhat> ACCEPT IT
13:21:53 <MK_FG> Do you guys know some simple udp proxy with connection tracking?
13:22:52 <lysobit> Why? Are you NSA?
13:23:01 <MK_FG> Naturally
13:23:27 <MK_FG> It will give me all the traffics
13:23:42 <MK_FG> MUHAHAHAW!
13:24:10 <MK_FG> Bummer that haproxy only does tcp ;(
13:24:53 <DrWhat> Socks5
13:25:57 <MK_FG> Nah, it has to work transparently, want to put it in front of dns
13:28:18 <iceTwy> derp
13:28:36 <iceTwy> I think that the Telegraph has the worst layout
13:28:38 <iceTwy> ever
13:28:40 <iceTwy> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
13:28:41 <lysobit> Here's an idea for a special kind of UDP proxy: since UDP doesn't require SYN/ACK, have your machine send requests to the IP that you're trying to proxy to, with a forged IP header that has the IP of another server you control. When that server receives the response from the IP you originally sent the requests to, it will forward the response to your original machine
13:30:16 <lysobit> that would be a super fast UDP proxy
13:30:38 <MK_FG> Yeah, kinda possible with udp, except stuff like dig barfs if it gets dns reply from different ip than it sent request to
13:30:59 <MK_FG> Fairly sure it should be prohibited in general to prevent such poisoning
13:31:13 <MK_FG> Here's one cool idea - https://github.com/vincentbernat/udpproxy
13:31:29 <MK_FG> Uses NFQUEUE to proxy stuff right from/to netfilter
13:31:30 <lysobit> Prohibited, sure, but what is there in the actual internet infastructure to stop you from doing it?
13:31:44 <joepie91> okay, this is actually really cool: https://bitcoinaverage.com/#EUR
13:31:50 <MK_FG> Not by opening ad-hoc udp sockets for every flow
13:32:13 <iceTwy> joepie91: doesn't bitcoincharts do that already
13:32:34 <joepie91> iceTwy: bitcoincharts has a much messier overview, and is proprietary
13:32:37 <joepie91> afaik this is open-source
13:32:41 <iceTwy> oh, nice
13:32:46 <joepie91> http://www.coindesk.com/shopify-integrates-bitcoin-payments/
13:33:07 <iceTwy> but huh
13:33:13 <iceTwy> no bitstamp/BTC china on bitcoinaverage?
13:33:15 <iceTwy> lolwat
13:33:20 <iceTwy> ah
13:33:24 <iceTwy> nevermind
13:34:52 <joepie91> the german version of thuisbezorgd.nl now also accepts BTC
13:34:57 <MK_FG> lysobit, Well, technically it'd be dns clients that prohibit that, unless destination server will forge origin IP on each reply as well to look like proxy
13:35:00 <joepie91> so that's probably a few thousand restaurants added
13:35:17 <MK_FG> lysobit, (unless I got your idea wrong)
13:35:21 <iceTwy> joepie91: yay
13:35:35 <iceTwy> but Bitcoin's getting a lot of bad press from a lot of newspapers
13:35:49 <MK_FG> Heh
13:35:53 <iceTwy> all they see is crooks and thieves and criminals using BTC for unlawful purposes
13:36:02 <iceTwy> n00bs
13:36:04 <joepie91> iceTwy: that's not new
13:36:10 <iceTwy> yeah
13:36:13 <joepie91> judging from adoption, it also doesn't seem to matter much
13:36:13 <joepie91> :)
13:36:14 <iceTwy> but even as Bitcoin is growing
13:36:22 <iceTwy> the trend's still there
13:36:44 <lysobit> it shouldn't forge origin IP requsts to look like the proxy. When the proxy receives the DNS request, it will then forward it to your home machine keeping the origin IP, and your home machine will be expecting a request from the origin IP of the DNS server anyway
13:37:01 <MK_FG> There might be good incentive to make bitcoin look bad
13:37:22 <MK_FG> Like, for whole established economy
13:37:59 <complex> is there a good reason why bitcoins are getting bad press, or does it just verify that the largest newspapers are corrupted by bankers?
13:38:07 <complex> *bitcoin
13:38:20 <joepie91> complex: neither
13:38:31 <MK_FG> lysobit, A: client -> proxy, B: client -> dns, C: dns -> client
13:38:33 <joepie91> most likely explanation is the usual ignorance and/or bias
13:38:48 <joepie91> ie. "this doesn't align with what I know, so I will assume that it's bad"
13:38:52 <MK_FG> lysobit, Client rejects C because it expects reply from "proxy"
13:39:38 <MK_FG> I'd think crime, corruption and generally negative crap just sells
13:40:14 <lysobit> It's more like, A: client -> dns (with a forged IP header to make dns think client is proxy) B: dns -> proxy C: proxy -> client (with a forged IP header to make client think that proxy is dns)
13:40:39 <MK_FG> Uh, wat
13:40:42 <lysobit> The client will see this: A: client -> dns B: dns -> client
13:40:47 <MK_FG> Client doesn't know anything about dns!
13:40:57 <lysobit> Why not?
13:40:59 <MK_FG> (and it shouldn't)
13:41:09 <MK_FG> Because that's the whole point of proxy?
13:41:13 <MK_FG> Uhhh
13:41:14 <lysobit> I'm assuming this is when the client wants to make a DNS request
13:41:19 <lysobit> through the proxy
13:41:24 <MK_FG> I probably should've called it "reverse proxy" from the start
13:41:35 <MK_FG> Because that's the correct thing
13:41:39 <lysobit> hmm
13:42:13 <lysobit> So the proxy server connects to the client? :P
13:42:22 <MK_FG> Thing nginx
13:42:28 <MK_FG> *Think
13:42:36 <MK_FG> Everyone connects to nginx
13:42:41 <MK_FG> nginx connects to backend
13:42:47 <lysobit> well yeah, then that's what I'm talking about too
13:42:50 <MK_FG> backend gives response, nginx serves it
13:43:07 <lysobit> in this case, nginx = server, backend = dns (as an example)
13:43:10 <lysobit> nginx = proxy*
13:43:11 <MK_FG> Then "A: client -> dns" is wrong, client knows only about proxy
13:43:26 <lysobit> Why does the proxy need to make a DNS request?
13:43:47 <MK_FG> Because it's udp proxy for DNS server!
13:44:02 <MK_FG> It's client that makes the request, actually ;)
13:44:35 <lysobit> yes, so the client wants to do "client -> dns" with the proxy in the middle, no?
13:44:46 <lysobit> unless the proxy itself is a DNS server?
13:45:23 <MK_FG> Yep, I have several - N - IPs which should proxy to M dns servers (well, 2 different ones)
13:45:38 <MK_FG> Clients know only about these N IPs
13:45:49 <lysobit> hmm
13:46:03 <MK_FG> And I don't want to put dns or forwarder on each one, as it's mostly all on one machine
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13:46:56 <MK_FG> Sucks that netfilter isn't clever enough to do ipv4<->ipv6
13:48:01 <MK_FG> Or dunno, maybe I should use iptables and split-horizon in dns daemon after all...
13:48:25 <MK_FG> (just have two of them on local ad-hoc ips and weird forwarding rules)
13:52:49 <MK_FG> Also, I wonder why netfilter can forward from real ip to ::1 loopback for ipv6 but not for 127.0.0.0/8 on ipv4 (martians!)
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13:53:23 <MK_FG> Like, just adding 1.2.3.4 on lo and forwarding there is fine, but 127 - "nope, go away" ;)
13:54:19 <lysobit> maybe 127.0.0.0/8 is hardcoded into the kernel networking module
13:54:54 <MK_FG> Apparently so, found also references to it on notfilter lists like http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2004-August/055074.html
13:55:02 <MK_FG> *netfilter
13:55:28 <lysobit> You can't send packets from non 127/8 addresses to 127/8. The kernel
13:55:29 <lysobit> filters them out and drops them as it considers them "martians".
13:55:30 <lysobit> best line
13:55:31 <MK_FG> Just kinda weird that doesn't apply to neither lo nor ipv6 lo
13:56:00 <MK_FG> You never seen martians in dmesg before? ;)
13:56:06 <lysobit> nope
13:56:10 <MK_FG> It's a real kernel meme
13:56:43 <MK_FG> For packets with unroutable source, kernel says something like "received martian packet: ..." :P
13:56:47 <MK_FG> There
13:57:05 <MK_FG> *There's also some sysctl knob to disable "martian" msgs iirc
13:57:24 <lysobit> if you get a packet from an unroutable source... I can't imagine a case where that wouldn't be considered an attack
13:59:33 <MK_FG> There was legit situation when I've seen these on one local site firewall, but can't seem to recall how it was resolved
14:00:04 <MK_FG> I guess weird mistake in SNAT can also easily create these
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14:37:49 <iceTwy> my fucking god
14:37:52 <iceTwy> what am I fucking reading
14:37:54 <iceTwy> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/10/google-facebook-big-brother-reforms-data
14:37:56 <iceTwy> .title
14:37:57 <botpie91> iceTwy: Google and Facebook may be our best defenders against Big Brother | Technology | The Observer
14:38:01 <iceTwy> are you even remotely SERIOUS?
14:39:17 <probably> icetwy, xmpp
14:43:51 <joepie91> ...
14:44:13 <joepie91> iceTwy: another person to class under "idiot who still believes that asking nicely or making political agreements is going to change anything"
14:44:17 <joepie91> (learned helplessness yay!)
14:51:52 <complex> iceTwy: propaganda
15:04:09 <vld> .bitcoin
15:04:10 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $293.31, 1 BTC = €231.10
15:04:14 <vld> time to sell?
15:15:26 <probably> ah fuck
15:15:29 <probably> it went down that much -,---
15:15:46 <probably> good thing I spent a very little amount yesterday (~$1000)
15:15:53 <probably> still got like $300 let :D
15:15:55 <iceTwy> hmm
15:19:09 <probably> vld, did you really audit fethur or w/e its called
15:19:27 <vld> probably: who's asking?
15:19:37 <probably> probably just a 404 error..
15:19:54 <probably> think; you'll realise whom i am.
15:20:09 <vld> :)
15:20:32 <probably> check ur querys vld
15:22:31 <joepie91> vld: why are you not on XMPP
15:22:32 <joepie91> :P
15:23:26 <probably> the real question is why doesn't vld talk to me on xmpp
15:26:17 <lysobit> joepie91, AnonNews doesn't seem to display correctly in my browser
15:26:18 <lysobit> http://i.imgur.com/a7JUdPa.png
15:26:41 <vld> lol
15:26:42 * joepie91 throws a chair at lysobit
15:27:55 <joepie91> wait a moment
15:27:57 <joepie91> lysobit
15:28:01 <joepie91> is that a real screenshot?
15:28:04 <lysobit> yes
15:28:07 <lysobit> I just installed Netscape 6
15:28:15 <joepie91> ... Netscape 6 supports border-radius?
15:28:29 * joepie91 blinks a few times
15:28:39 <lysobit> apparantly
15:28:42 <lysobit> it's from 2002
15:29:12 <joepie91> lysobit; tbh, I'm surprised that anonnews looks anywhere near decent at all in Netscape 6
15:29:12 <joepie91> lol
15:30:08 <DrWhat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLgTVKZxRcA
15:30:10 <DrWhat> good watch
15:30:43 <lysobit> joepie91: well, it does a better job than Twitter http://i.imgur.com/zjLC86Y.png
15:31:16 <joepie91> lolol
15:31:43 <lysobit> ..and I just typed youtube.com and Netscape crashed
15:38:49 <lysobit> I'm not sure how this site is being hosted on Google, with all the gigs of .exe files and PHP and such
15:38:54 <lysobit> .dig www.oldapps.com
15:39:03 <lysobit> .lookup www.oldapps.com
15:39:04 <botpie91> DNS records for www.oldapps.com:
15:39:04 <botpie91> CNAME : pagespeed.googlehosted.com.
15:40:49 <lysobit> though the actual .exes are hosted elsewhere, so could be just using google app engine I guess
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15:44:45 <lysobit> .title http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/14/ms_firefox/
15:44:46 <botpie91> lysobit: Microsoft unleashes improved Firefox • The Register
15:49:07 <joepie91> lysobit: https://web.archive.org/web/20061121200704/http://www.msfirefox.com/microsoft-firefox/index.html
15:49:40 <lysobit> ha yeah, I remember when it was online many years ago
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16:08:30 <probably> icetwy
16:08:34 <probably> fix ur xmpp
16:17:46 <lysobit> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uBNCN6v_gk
16:17:47 <botpie91> lysobit: Cooking with Intel - A Demonstration on CPU Heat - YouTube
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17:25:54 <joepie91> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/h0chx/need_more_enterprise_introducing_jsonx_an_ibm/
17:27:52 <joepie91> MK_FG: http://minsvyaz.ru/common/upload/Proekt_prikaza_o_pravilakh_ot_29.03.13.pdf
17:28:00 <joepie91> what does p. 79 describe?
17:30:36 <MK_FG> Lemme check
17:32:41 <MK_FG> A list of services which should capture and provide data to some control center ("ПУ", presumably described above) according to Section 3 above in case of ongoing investigation
17:34:33 <MK_FG> Roughly, original has things like "... according to specified control parameters" which need context to interpret properly, I guess
17:34:57 <joepie91> MK_FG: someone else interpreted this as "Russian PRISM" - would that be accurate?
17:36:18 <MK_FG> I'm not 100% sure what PRISM involves *exactly* - if interpreted loosely, I guess it's "access to users' metadata without a warrant"...
17:36:59 <joepie91> MK_FG: 'PRISM' in general interpretation is seen as "non-targeted collection of data and metadata in mass"
17:37:06 <joepie91> (without a warrant of course)
17:37:21 <joepie91> would you say this is PRISM-like mass collection, or just warrantless targeted collection?
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17:39:05 <MK_FG> This seem to be one of the SORM iterations and trying to confirm that it doesn't have any "has oversight" clause
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17:39:16 <joepie91> SORM?
17:39:45 <joepie91> .welcome crytocc002
17:39:46 <botpie91> crytocc002: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off].
17:40:11 <MK_FG> Yeah, can't find any
17:40:33 <MK_FG> SORM is literal acronym for "средства ОРМ"
17:40:53 <MK_FG> Which is what the whole system described there is called
17:40:53 <complex> i dont understand how PRISM is supposed to work really
17:40:58 <MK_FG> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM
17:41:30 <MK_FG> So yeah, it seem to be identical to rough interpretation of PRISM above
17:41:35 <complex> are they supposed to manually check everyone that writes "dangerous" words?
17:41:55 <joepie91> complex: there is likely a high degree of automated correlation
17:41:57 <MK_FG> Requires all services to provide direct access with no oversight or specifying targets of investigation
17:42:49 <MK_FG> "all services" - ISPs with hardware described at the beginning there
17:42:52 <complex> joepie91: if i was supposed to plan a terrorist operation, i would definitely encrypt everything i said over the chat
17:43:32 <complex> it doesnt even have to be a strong encryption
17:44:31 <complex> but maybe im wrong and they are detecting for spam/encrypted messages over facebook
17:44:39 <joepie91> complex: yes, that's kind of the point of encryption... but how do you know your encryption isn't broken?
17:46:13 <MK_FG> complex, I think these systems are supposed to be mostly used retroactively and within ongoing investigation
17:46:35 <MK_FG> I.e. when person X is suspect, data and logs on his activities get checked
17:46:38 <complex> i agree
17:47:11 <MK_FG> Who might become such "person of interest", we'll never know ;)
17:47:22 <MK_FG> Could be some agents' love interest
17:47:29 <MK_FG> ...apparently :P
17:47:54 <MK_FG> But I guess they might have some automated tools as well
17:47:58 <complex> given what you are saying is true, NSA isnt protecting us against 'amateur terrorism' such as the boston bombing at all
17:48:40 <joepie91> complex: NSA isn't protecting us against any of the things they claim to be protecting us against at all, as far as I can tell
17:48:44 <joepie91> also, complex, let me give you some perspective
17:48:45 <MK_FG> Before one of the latest Putin re-elections, I worked full-time at a large local portal (largest regional site in .ru, actually)...
17:49:04 <joepie91> if I haven't linked this before...
17:49:04 <joepie91> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f86VKjFSMJE
17:49:07 <complex> NSA can probably keep track of some islamic terrorists
17:49:07 <joepie91> cc complex
17:49:08 <joepie91> watch that
17:49:24 <complex> who is that guy?
17:49:35 <MK_FG> ...and FSB asked us to collect and provide all geoip data on who checks some specified sections of site and for every comment right before/until elections
17:49:42 <joepie91> complex: on the video?
17:49:56 <joepie91> Palantir guy
17:50:11 <MK_FG> I think they used that for broad stats data on where to push for more PR
17:50:31 <complex> k
17:50:41 <MK_FG> So I guess same broad stats gov gets from SORM as well
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18:09:13 <systempoison> hey
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18:10:17 <DrWhat> I WANT A MARARY
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18:21:15 <joepie91> DrWhat: a what?
18:21:54 <probably> oh
18:21:57 <probably> mediahint disappered
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18:45:02 <joepie91> http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves
18:45:05 <joepie91> phase 1 has started!
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19:16:58 <complex> joepie91: i guess a paranoid guy would pass through all the counter intelligence shit that is out there
19:17:10 <complex> the examples he took was a bit obvious
19:17:51 <joepie91> complex: ?
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19:19:51 <joepie91> .welcome fadfaf
19:19:52 <botpie91> fadfaf: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off].
19:20:14 <fadfaf> Thanks. though I read the topic :)
19:22:06 <joepie91> alright :)
19:22:52 <joepie91> curious how you manage on managing all those channels, though :P
19:22:54 <joepie91> er
19:22:56 <joepie91> how you plan, even
19:22:59 <joepie91> words are hard
19:23:45 <fadfaf> I am planning on turning all those channels into serious discussion channels.
19:23:56 <fadfaf> Don't worry.
19:24:13 <fadfaf> And I use netcat as an IRC client so that the channels aren't too overwhelming.
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19:28:59 <Zekka> How does netcat make them less overwhelming? Other than having them all in the same stream of output, which would be unhelpful if they ever became trafficked.
19:29:26 <fadfaf> So that I can see ALL the IRC channels at the same time
19:29:55 <Zekka> Oh, so it actually is just because they would all dump their output to the same place.
19:30:12 <fadfaf> Yes.
19:30:23 <Zekka> I guess that's a valid reason but it seems like one that would break down if you started getting users and having an organized system of dispatch actually became a priority.
19:31:49 <fadfaf> That's okay. I've been a professional IRC chatter since '88, I can handle up to 40 chats per minute.
19:32:28 <fadfaf> It was my job once. I used to work for the NSA to monitor IRCs.
19:33:31 <fadfaf> They give you advanced visual training to help you handle the maximum amout of circlejerk and penis jokes per minute.
19:33:39 <fadfaf> amount*
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19:37:07 <sardo_> ciao qualcuno a trip
19:37:16 <probably> joepie91 how is phase 1 goign?
19:37:27 <joepie91> it's... going
19:37:34 <joepie91> http://tracker.archiveteam.org/hyves-uname/#show-all
19:37:56 <sardo_> italiani?
19:38:47 <Zekka> sardo_ - Not me, maybe someone else.
19:39:01 <probably> hmm
19:39:04 <probably> joepie91, need help?
19:39:12 <lysobit> probably
19:39:24 <joepie91> probably: of course, see wiki page
19:39:25 <joepie91> :P
19:40:01 <probably> link
19:40:18 <lysobit> catching up to 10th place!
19:40:36 <Zekka> This what you were looking for? http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves
19:40:49 <lysobit> archiveteam warrior needs to have xp
19:40:57 <probably> Are you blocking ips like the torrent one joepie91?
19:41:10 <lysobit> each kb downloaded should give you xp, where you can buy weapons to battle other archivers
19:41:24 <probably> lysobit lmfao
19:41:25 <probably> genius
19:41:29 <joepie91> probably: how do you mean
19:41:35 <joepie91> lysobit; that is actually a pretty damn good idea
19:42:00 <probably> joepie91: I forget which torrent place that was being shutdown
19:42:00 <probably> and you guys were archiving it, they kept blocking ips
19:42:05 <probably> and they blocking ips on hyves
19:42:08 <joepie91> isohunt
19:42:09 <probably> ?
19:42:11 <joepie91> oh
19:42:12 <joepie91> well
19:42:14 <joepie91> in theory, yes
19:42:17 <joepie91> but the blocks last less than a minute
19:42:25 <complex> why arent some guys here setting up a private tracker btw+
19:42:35 <joepie91> that said, running at >2 concurency is pointless
19:42:42 <joepie91> the block time is relative to how much too fast you're going
19:42:51 <joepie91> so if you run more threads you just end up being blocked for more of the time
19:42:51 <probably> hm
19:42:52 <joepie91> lol
19:43:03 <probably> because I got a few servers here, unmetered 1gbit port speeds
19:43:10 <probably> so I might just save them for phase 2
19:43:49 <joepie91> oh, they don't permaban
19:43:54 <joepie91> but that would be useful for phase 2, yes
19:44:06 <probably> got 4 brand new servers :)
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19:44:21 <probably> each unmetered gbit port speed, 1tb drives on 3 of them, then 250gb ssd on the other one
19:45:45 <probably> joepie91, when will phase 2 start
19:47:17 <joepie91> probably: unclear
19:47:24 <probably> mmk
19:47:29 <probably> well whenever it does, lmk
19:47:30 <joepie91> waiting for code testing and permanent storage space
19:47:32 <joepie91> I will :)
19:47:34 <joepie91> thanks
19:49:11 <lysobit> probably, you should run tor relay nodes on them
19:49:58 <lysobit> apparantly tor nodes stress the server out somewhat
19:49:59 <lysobit> Nov 05 12:00:01.000 [warn] Your computer is too slow to handle this many circuit creation requests! Please consider using the MaxAdvertisedBandwidth config option or ch
19:50:09 <probably> lol
19:50:15 <probably> lysobit, I might
19:50:39 <probably> but last time I did host one in germany I had a unpleast notice
19:51:11 <lysobit> if you want to avoid unpleasant notices, disable exits, run a relay node only
19:51:28 <probably> meh, just might setup a free tor site hosting service on some of them
19:52:00 <lysobit> or if you are feeling ambitious, get a *.gov hostname from afraid.org, rDNS it to your server's IP, and watch what kind of DMCA and abuse reports you're going to get from ISPs
19:52:23 <lysobit> My Tor relay (I'm too pussy to run it as an exit right now):
19:52:24 <lysobit> .lookup 95.130.11.81
19:52:31 <probably> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
19:52:37 <probably> such trolls
19:52:40 <botpie91> IP: 95.130.11.81 (NSA-SURVEILLANCE.vggtramites.gov.ar)
19:52:41 <botpie91> Location: , , France (FR)
19:52:41 <botpie91> ISP: Digicube sas
19:52:42 <botpie91> Organization: Hosting Customers (AS196689 Digicube sas)
19:52:43 <botpie91> Coordinates: latitude 48.86, longitude 2.35
19:53:18 <probably> lysobit, such troll
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19:55:40 <NSA> Intercepted.
19:55:46 <probably> shit
19:55:49 <probably> run everybody
19:56:24 <probably> faxdeeensa
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20:02:29 <joepie91> lysobit: it hasn't complained on my TOR nodes yet...
20:02:57 <probably> joepie91,
20:06:43 <probably> cc joepie91
20:09:50 <joepie91> latter
20:16:05 <DrWhat> cyberbunker
20:16:21 <probably> DrWhat why you say that?
20:16:30 <DrWhat> Im having fun
20:16:38 <DrWhat> DONT SPOIL IT FOR ME!
20:16:40 <probably> lol
20:16:43 <DrWhat> OR I WILL BE MAD
20:17:38 <probably> lolol
20:17:47 <probably> cyberbunker isn't cheap
20:30:58 <joepie91> this is kinda cute: http://owely.com/8dSafc
20:32:16 <probably> lmfao
20:32:42 <probably> brb joepie91, imma send someone an email saying "this is malware" and give them a malformed exe
20:32:44 <probably> see if they run it
20:32:45 <probably> jkjk
20:33:04 <joepie91> lol
20:33:14 <probably> holy shit this IP block lol
20:33:25 * joepie91 warns about topic
20:33:32 <probably> Serbia -> NL -> NL -> Russia -> Bulgaria -> UK -> NL -> Russia
20:33:33 <probably> lol
20:34:15 <probably> o and Saudia Arabia apperently
20:38:38 <IR601> uk unlucky
20:38:50 <probably> Lmao
20:39:00 <probably> the irony the subnet I'm on, the /29 is listed on spamhaus.
20:39:05 <probably> oh great, time to get a new /29
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21:12:14 <iceTwy> gentlemeeeeeeeen
21:12:20 <iceTwy> https://btc.iceb.in
21:12:24 <iceTwy> .title
21:12:26 <botpie91> iceTwy: Coinpunk
21:20:16 <joepie91> nononononono
21:20:19 <joepie91> webwallets bad
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21:21:17 <iceTwy> joepie91: I know
21:21:28 <iceTwy> I know they're useless because Bitcoin wallets are really portable already
21:21:37 <joepie91> not talking about useless
21:21:39 <joepie91> talking about insecure
21:21:39 <iceTwy> BUT I WANTED TO SET UP A COINPUNK WALLET
21:21:39 <joepie91> lol
21:21:43 <iceTwy> ikr
21:21:48 <iceTwy> every webwallet site gets hacked
21:21:49 <iceTwy> :D
21:21:54 <iceTwy> inputs.io, 4.1K btc
21:21:56 <iceTwy> lala
21:22:04 <iceTwy> joepie91: I'm not going to use my own webwallet service lol
21:22:07 <iceTwy> don't even think about it
21:22:11 <iceTwy> Electrum <3
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21:28:53 <joepie91> iceTwy: then why run one! :P
21:31:52 <probably> icetwy your onion addr is down
21:31:53 <probably> fix it
21:33:38 <iceTwy> probably: there
21:33:41 <iceTwy> probably: fixed
21:33:47 <iceTwy> joepie91: for the fun of DIY hosting :)
21:34:10 <probably> lol k
21:34:57 <joepie91> meh :P
21:35:29 <probably> why is skype suppport always down
21:36:23 <Anonymous922> Because Skype sucks.
21:36:32 <probably> that but
21:36:35 <probably> lol
21:37:22 <cayce> >free service
21:37:31 <cayce> >expects good support
21:37:33 <cayce> wat
21:37:48 <probably> lolololol
21:38:41 <joepie91> cayce: Skype isn't free
21:38:45 <joepie91> in more than one interpretation
21:38:49 <cayce> joepie91:) yes it is
21:39:10 <joepie91> the base service is monetarily free and that's it
21:39:16 <cayce> correct
21:39:21 <cayce> this is the service most use
21:39:29 <cayce> that makes it free
21:39:35 <joepie91> no..
21:39:38 <joepie91> it's MONETARILY free
21:39:47 <cayce> that's what free means
21:39:48 <joepie91> not "free"
21:39:51 <joepie91> it does not
21:40:06 <cayce> this is why we have free as in beer, free as in freedom, and other such statements
21:40:08 <cayce> free is cost related
21:40:24 <joepie91> cayce: if I offer you "hey you can have my computer, but I want your games console in return"
21:40:28 <joepie91> then it isn't free, is it?
21:41:53 <probably> no, thats a trade joepie91
21:42:01 <cayce> you're assigning value to the goods
21:42:10 <joepie91> probably: exactly
21:42:25 <cayce> I haven't traded anything for skype
21:42:29 <joepie91> ..
21:42:33 <joepie91> sigh
21:42:36 <joepie91> let's try a more obvious example
21:42:39 <cayce> (nor have the millions of others who merely use it for skype to skype calls)
21:42:40 <joepie91> cayce: is Facebook free?
21:42:47 <cayce> completely
21:42:51 <joepie91> no, it isn't
21:42:56 <joepie91> you're trading your information
21:43:01 <joepie91> for their service
21:43:01 <cayce> I don't pay a monthly fee for it
21:43:11 <joepie91> cayce: hence it is monetarily free, not free altogether
21:43:26 <cayce> correct, it is not free as in freedom
21:43:27 <joepie91> there is absolutely no way you can fail to understand my point at this point
21:43:41 <cayce> And yet I'm going to refuse to, because it's a stupid point
21:43:44 <joepie91> cayce: Facebook is just as free as that computer I offered to you
21:43:53 <cayce> It's the same bullshit gnu goes on about
21:44:07 <joepie91> cayce: no, not at all
21:44:16 <joepie91> the story with GNU is about something completely different
21:44:17 * staticsafe facepalms
21:44:21 <joepie91> I am talking about value-free
21:44:23 <joepie91> not freedom-free
21:44:48 <joepie91> cayce: I get the idea that at this point you are just willfully ignoring my point because you don't want to backtrack on your earlier statements
21:45:08 <cayce> Uninterested in debating too, I'm just bored and caffeine addled
21:45:12 <joepie91> that is not something I'm used to you doing
21:45:49 <cayce> Yeah, I'm grouchy. Went to a party last night.
21:45:53 <iceTwy> AH
21:46:24 <iceTwy> Ah.
21:50:01 <cayce> too much people e.e *shakes fist*
21:50:26 <cayce> got to see my best friend, though (which is why I went)
21:59:14 <cayce> man, I can't imagine how people use the internet on phones
21:59:19 <cayce> it's so shitty
21:59:52 <staticsafe> orly
22:00:08 <cayce> I'm browsing on wifi and it's still really bad
22:00:22 <cayce> I dunno maybe the phone is slow
22:00:36 <cayce> but it's kinda just clunky to use the web
22:03:30 <cayce> on the positive side, new phones with the latest 4g coverage are actually faster than wifi if the network isn't too loaded
22:03:45 <cayce> less latency and faster load times, on average
22:03:48 <cayce> which is damn impressive
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22:09:52 <iceTwy> seriously though
22:10:18 <iceTwy> why do people complain about SSL/TLS when they can't even apply proper security measures on their end?
22:10:20 <iceTwy> https://www.trustworthyinternet.org/ssl-pulse/
22:11:39 <wifi184_> hi
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22:16:54 <staticsafe> cayce: yep my nexus 5 absolutely flies on LTE
22:18:26 <cayce> staticsafe:) ahh :) Yeah I have a... Kyocera Hydro? somebody gave it to me. it's decent and runs android 4.0, but still
22:18:54 <cayce> iceTwy:) I see a 60% A-rate there, which gives me hope.
22:19:41 <iceTwy> cayce: look at the rest
22:21:16 <cayce> iceTwy:) yes, nearly all of them are improving, albeit slowly
22:22:44 <cayce> interesting thing my mom told me when I spoke to her: "nobody cares about snowden or privacy. most of the people the interviewed for the news said they didn't care (because the nsa was doing their job or had a very good reason), or said they thought the nsa shouldn't spy on us citizens but still figured they had a good reason (as long as it's for terrorists)"
22:23:50 <cayce> which, if generally true (as I suspect it is), means @ioerror's complaints about fascism in america are not crazy but correct
22:24:23 <cayce> because statism is a less extreme form of fascism, and statism is exactly what my mom is describing
22:25:37 <cayce> I also love seeing this line: "This server provides robust Forward Secrecy support."
22:25:40 <iceTwy> you could think of it like that cayce I guess
22:26:22 <cayce> (as far as I know, internet explorer cannot access my site without changing registry settings, heh)
22:28:18 <cayce> iceTwy:) I'm not outright classifying either of those observations as bad
22:29:15 <cayce> oh, that's cool
22:29:39 <cayce> first time some shitty fucking website prompted me to install their mobile app and the app was actually better than the browser version
22:29:47 <cayce> except WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT BE THE CASE, YOU PIECE OF SHIT
22:31:27 <iceTwy> LOL
22:32:09 <cayce> maybe sometime in the next 5 years I'll have a data plan for this phone
22:32:28 <cayce> although really I want something S3 or newer (and top-shelf)
22:32:49 <cayce> s3 and iphone5 was first nonbeta generation imo
22:33:06 <cayce> so now I have 2 years before shit-tier phones are as good as s3
22:33:31 <cayce> we can all start the countdown to me getting a real phone
22:33:32 <cayce> :D
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22:36:45 <iceTwy> yeah cayce
22:36:50 <iceTwy> I'm getting a new phone at Christmas
22:37:03 <iceTwy> mine is a Galaxy S2 and, basically, I'd signed up for a 2 year subscription
22:37:08 <cayce> ye
22:37:12 <iceTwy> that included the plan itself and the phone
22:37:23 <cayce> I won't take less than an s3 if I'm to use it often
22:37:24 <iceTwy> prob gotta get me something cool
22:37:27 <iceTwy> yeah exactly
22:37:31 <iceTwy> Galaxy's are sooooooo good
22:37:41 <cayce> I don't even mean that
22:37:57 <cayce> I'm looking at the meta-structure of android, smartphones as a thing, and of course ios/iphones
22:38:14 <cayce> we've been beta testing them on people for what, 7 years now?
22:38:26 <iceTwy> 'beta' testing them?
22:38:29 <cayce> yes
22:38:40 <cayce> putting a product out before it's polished
22:38:41 <iceTwy> do you mean that Android & iOS were not mature enough to be put into prod at such a wide scale
22:38:42 <iceTwy> ?
22:38:48 <iceTwy> aaah well
22:39:02 <cayce> well, old versions of ios and android both looked like shit and to me were generally unusable
22:39:15 <cayce> with android 4.x that changed, and with ios 5 or 6ish as well
22:39:31 <cayce> the s3 was the first phone that, hardware-wise, didn't seem to suck
22:39:36 <cayce> same for iphone 5
22:39:54 <cayce> (and if I'm being inclusive, the new nokia windows phones)
22:40:26 <cayce> so I'm tagging "top-shelf" phones as finally out of beta
22:41:33 <iceTwy> cayce: CyanogenMod all the way lol
22:41:50 <iceTwy> I have 4.0.3 installed
22:41:52 <cayce> I don't recognise mods for the purpose of this determination
22:42:01 <cayce> because they don't matter for the vast majority of users
22:42:05 <iceTwy> 4.3*
22:42:11 <cayce> I have 4.0.4
22:42:14 <cayce> .3? dunno
22:42:17 <cayce> something 4.0
22:42:18 <cayce> :D
22:42:18 <iceTwy> iunno
22:42:20 <iceTwy> yeah
22:42:29 <cayce> it's kind of terrible, but tolerable
22:42:35 <cayce> and really 4.3 seems pretty golden
22:42:43 <cayce> optimizations and the UI feels nice
22:43:56 <cayce> so what I await is a phone like the s3 being a bottom-barrel phone
22:44:06 <cayce> which will be a couple of years yet
22:46:05 <iceTwy> but huh
22:46:09 <iceTwy> the S3 is old already
22:46:11 <iceTwy> lol
22:46:12 <iceTwy> S4 dood
22:46:50 <cayce> and I hear rumors of an s5
22:47:13 <cayce> either way, s4 is not acceptable because it's the current-gen
22:47:18 <joepie91> cayce: potentially person inbound that could use your expertise with SSL/TLS
22:47:18 <cayce> that makes it expensive
22:47:24 <cayce> kk
22:47:27 <cayce> nginx?
22:47:31 <joepie91> idk
22:47:39 <joepie91> he should be joining here soon (I hope)
22:47:40 <joepie91> :p
22:47:41 <cayce> or dTLS perhaps (for nonhttp)
22:47:44 <cayce> kk :)
22:47:52 * cayce feels better
22:48:09 <iceTwy> nginx?
22:48:22 * cayce reads articles on bitcoins by people who don't understand how it works, but still see fundamental value in it
22:48:23 <iceTwy> deploying SSL on nginx is so easy
22:48:23 <cayce> yes?
22:48:30 <cayce> yes
22:48:36 <cayce> but cipher lists are not
22:48:38 <iceTwy> though it's all about getting the ciphers right
22:48:39 <iceTwy> yup
22:48:41 <iceTwy> imo
22:48:49 <cayce> the defaults aren't bad, actually
22:48:51 <cayce> but also not great
22:48:55 <iceTwy> https://hynek.me/articles/hardening-your-web-servers-ssl-ciphers/
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22:48:58 <iceTwy> that, is good.
22:49:11 <cayce> 1.5.x is "HIGH !anon" or so
22:49:15 <probably> mun
22:49:19 <probably> where have I heard that before...
22:49:32 <Mun> i am on LET / vpsboard a lot
22:49:46 <cayce> iceTwy:) I can't use that, as it suggests disabling tls1.0
22:49:59 <cayce> oh, compression
22:49:59 <cayce> nevermind
22:50:06 <cayce> doesn't matter, that's disabled in nginx anyway
22:50:36 <Mun> cayce can you suggest a good https encryption that can't be muched up by the US government or others
22:50:54 <iceTwy> cayce: what? no
22:50:57 <iceTwy> suggests, but doesn't do it
22:51:08 <cayce> "disable TLS 1.0 compression (CRIME),"
22:51:14 <iceTwy> ^
22:51:19 <joepie91> .welcome Mun
22:51:20 <botpie91> Mun: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off].
22:51:23 <joepie91> etc.
22:51:49 <iceTwy> Mun: I'd think the NSA could break SSL pretty easily
22:52:02 <iceTwy> but anyway. what's your httpd Mun?
22:52:08 <Mun> they shouldn't be able to is the thing (or at least in a 100 years)
22:52:19 <Mun> nginx
22:52:23 <cayce> Mun:) yeah. I don't know what your threat model is, but a conservative approach is ssl2,3 disabled, and prefering RSA keysigning with aes encryption
22:52:38 <cayce> assuming you're weirded out by "elliptic curve" stuff
22:52:41 <iceTwy> yup
22:52:51 <iceTwy> Mun: tbh a bit of Googling turned this up: https://hynek.me/articles/hardening-your-web-servers-ssl-ciphers/
22:52:59 <cayce> put aes-gcm first, and then aes-cbc modes
22:53:08 <iceTwy> honestly I've disabled SSL3 because fuck SSL3
22:53:14 <iceTwy> but yeah
22:53:15 <cayce> gcm is known good, cbc is too, but it has problems that are mostly mitigated in the clients these days
22:53:29 <iceTwy> not that much that gcm is known to be good
22:53:34 <iceTwy> it's that it isn't used a lot
22:53:38 <cayce> (aes-gcm, aes-cbc)
22:53:42 <iceTwy> and thus has no known vulnerabilities yet
22:54:14 <cayce> the other thing to consider is how good the cipher support of your client base is
22:54:34 <Mun> alright thanks
22:54:39 <cayce> if you're not making money or something, excluding people probably isn't an issue... but if you are you want to consider that
22:54:47 <iceTwy> ^
22:54:52 <iceTwy> some people still use IE...
22:54:54 <iceTwy> IE...
22:54:56 * iceTwy sad
22:55:01 <cayce> for example, my site cannot be accessed in IE
22:55:04 <cayce> but it's a personal site
22:55:11 <cayce> so I shrug
22:55:22 <cayce> that shit would NOT fly if it was a cart that I relied on for my income
22:55:33 <iceTwy> yup
22:55:49 <cayce> anyway, if you have further questions, feel free to ask
22:55:52 <iceTwy> but I do refuse to serve content to any user that does not even care or know about their browser flaws
22:56:04 <iceTwy> 10yo kid or 80yo grandma, idgaf
22:56:08 <cayce> if you have config lines you want us to take a look at, paste em in here if it's just a line or two, but pastebin them if not
22:56:50 <cayce> iceTwy:) this is why I support completely silent autoupdate and browsers supporting these new ciphers and things in sane and intelligent ways
22:57:02 <joepie91> cc Mun ^
22:57:12 <cayce> It's not the best choice for everyone, I admit, but the people who know better can make changes themselves
22:57:15 <iceTwy> cayce: yeah
22:57:26 <iceTwy> TLS1.2 has been rolled out in Chrome
22:57:32 <cayce> 1.1 is soon in firefox
22:57:36 <cayce> (finally!)
22:57:40 <iceTwy> it's in OS X 10.9's Safari also
22:57:45 <cayce> yeah
22:57:51 <cayce> safari has done it for years
22:57:56 <iceTwy> uh
22:58:13 <iceTwy> but Apple were, and tbh mostly still are, the only ones suffering from BEAST
22:58:37 <iceTwy> they say they mitigated BEAST by supporting TLS1.2, but a lot of sites do not use TLS1.2
22:58:48 * cayce squints
22:58:58 <cayce> the support grid I saw for safari had 5.0 running tls1.2
22:59:07 <cayce> funky
22:59:30 <cayce> yeah apple fought n/1-n record splitting
22:59:32 <cayce> I dunno why
22:59:47 <iceTwy> weird yeah
22:59:57 <iceTwy> OH WAIT
23:00:09 <iceTwy> visionary Steve Jobs wasn't here to punch on Safari devs
23:00:13 <cayce> ohhhhh
23:00:20 <cayce> ios5 did tls1.2
23:00:21 <cayce> I see
23:00:22 * iceTwy grins
23:00:26 <iceTwy> really? nice
23:00:30 <cayce> yeah
23:00:33 <cayce> that's where I'm confusing it
23:00:35 <cayce> heh
23:01:40 <cayce> hehe such heavy ciphers
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23:01:46 <cayce> TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (0x9e) DH 1024 bits (p: 128, g: 1, Ys: 128) FS 128
23:01:46 <cayce> TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_128_CBC_SHA (0x45) DH 1024 bits (p: 128, g: 1, Ys: 127) FS 128
23:01:46 <cayce> TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (0x33) DH 1024 bits (p: 128, g: 1, Ys: 128) FS 128
23:02:16 <cayce> dhe rsa aes, and most people hit camellia or aes-cbc
23:03:30 <cayce> hmm what
23:03:37 <cayce> article claims tls1.2 support for firefox 26
23:03:43 <cayce> where did this support magically appear from
23:04:30 <cayce> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861266
23:04:33 <cayce> wow, it exists
23:05:35 <iceTwy> one annoying thing with firefox is that, despite its pretty good position/stance around open source philosophy, it's always behind...
23:05:37 <cayce> also, this is important
23:05:39 <cayce> Additionally, our counterparts at Google raninto compatibility issues when they enabled TLS 1.2. The addition of the TLS 1.2 cipher suites caused their client hello message to become larger than 256 bytes, and some servers choke on client hellos larger (or equal?) than 256 bytes. Apparently these servers will simply not respond. Reportedly, https://wellsfargo.com is one such server. So, additional compatibility testing will need to be done.
23:05:55 <iceTwy> o.o?
23:05:56 <iceTwy> lemme test
23:06:08 <cayce> chrome's fix is to make a smaller list for clienthello
23:06:24 <iceTwy> works but uses TLS1.0
23:06:42 <cayce> mm
23:06:48 <cayce> read that bug, it's very informative
23:06:53 <iceTwy> ugh
23:07:04 <iceTwy> TLS1.0 with RC4_128 on wellsfargo
23:07:05 <iceTwy> x)
23:07:30 <cayce> yep
23:07:32 <cayce> easymode
23:07:42 <cayce> everybody-supports-this-mode
23:07:51 <joepie91> lol
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23:08:55 <cayce> you still get authentication and verification
23:09:04 <cayce> just not actual encryption ;)
23:10:05 <cayce> In order to trim down our ClientHello size for ALPN and TLS 1.2, I removed a number of ciphersuites. DSS, ECDH, CAMELLIA, SEED and ECC+3DES suites were all removed, save for TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA in order to keep DSA compatibility.
23:10:08 <cayce> hmm
23:10:47 <cayce> that's right, it's like ecdhe-ecdsa-aes-gcm-128-sha384 or whatever
23:10:53 <cayce> that's the tls1.2 chrome does
23:13:24 <cayce> 1.2 might hit ff27
23:13:38 <cayce> target is 28, but somebody's trying to get it into 27
23:13:46 <cayce> (aurora, at present)
23:13:58 <cayce> the comment was dated today
23:13:59 * staticsafe is using Nightly builds
23:13:59 <cayce> :D
23:14:04 <joepie91> ohai pzuraq!
23:14:10 <joepie91> root@croissant:/home/archiveteam# uptime
23:14:10 <joepie91> 00:13:10 up 29 days, 1:38, 9 users, load average: 8.29, 6.48, 5.97
23:14:15 <joepie91> yeah, I don't think my box likes this...
23:14:15 <joepie91> :P
23:14:21 <pzuraq> hai joepie :)
23:14:45 <joepie91> pzuraq: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves
23:14:47 <joepie91> D:
23:14:48 <pzuraq> I know how to say your name, but I still prefer jo-py
23:14:48 <joepie91> :D *
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23:15:06 <pzuraq> (py like python)
23:15:25 <pzuraq> particularly gause when I say
23:15:43 <pzuraq> "O hai joepie" in my head it rhywes :3
23:15:48 <pzuraq> rhymes*
23:15:53 <joepie91> hehe
23:16:11 <crafy_d> o/
23:16:27 <iceTwy> mwhaha, so do I pzuraq
23:17:17 <joepie91> root@croissant:/home/archiveteam# uptime
23:17:17 <joepie91> 00:17:54 up 29 days, 1:43, 9 users, load average: 5.47, 6.31, 6.08
23:17:18 <joepie91> better
23:17:18 <joepie91> :P
23:21:47 <iceTwy> joepie91: icetwy@winter:~$ uptime
23:21:49 <iceTwy> 00:21:37 up 20 days, 22:31, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
23:22:05 <joepie91> waste of CPU lifespan!
23:22:15 <iceTwy> ah well
23:22:39 <iceTwy> this is a VPS running on a shared host joepie91
23:22:44 <iceTwy> trying to be fair here :p
23:23:00 <joepie91> :P
23:23:03 <joepie91> mine is an OVH box
23:23:10 <iceTwy> orly?
23:23:18 <iceTwy> well OVH is reliable
23:23:20 <iceTwy> hah
23:23:57 <joepie91> it is, as long as you don't cause trouble
23:24:14 <lysobit> .title http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=777_1384084283
23:24:15 <botpie91> lysobit: LiveLeak.com - Guy nails his scrotum to the ground as protest against police brutality
23:24:43 <joepie91> quite happy about the title explaining what it is
23:24:43 <joepie91> lol
23:24:46 <joepie91> so I don't have to click it
23:24:46 <iceTwy> joepie91: I guess yeah
23:25:01 <lysobit> it's really cool
23:26:38 <iceTwy> joepie91: tbh I just wish some good VPS hosts would realize that RAM is valuable
23:26:51 <iceTwy> too often their packages prioritize disk space
23:26:56 <iceTwy> but I don't give two fucks about it
23:26:59 <iceTwy> I want more RAM
23:27:26 <iceTwy> joepie91: btw Iniz is good
23:27:29 <joepie91> I want more disk space
23:27:39 <joepie91> you can cut corners on RAM by optimizing
23:27:43 <joepie91> you usually can't do that for disk
23:27:43 <iceTwy> hah I prefer RAM over disk space personally
23:27:48 <iceTwy> well that's true
23:27:55 <iceTwy> but if you've got things like bitcoind running
23:27:56 <iceTwy> urgh
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23:29:48 <cayce> heh
23:29:53 * cayce works on better cipher list
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23:34:12 <cayce> huh
23:34:13 <cayce> DH-RSA-MISTY1-SHA
23:34:26 <cayce> that's chrome's highest preferred 128bit set
23:34:45 <cayce> In cryptography, MISTY1 (or MISTY-1) is a block cipher designed in 1995 by Mitsuru Matsui and others for Mitsubishi Electric.[1][2]
23:34:45 <cayce> MISTY1 is one of the selected algorithms in the European NESSIE project, and has been recommended for Japanese government use by the CRYPTREC project.
23:35:15 <cayce> Successors Camellia, MISTY2, KASUMI
23:35:17 <cayce> interesting :)
23:35:41 <staticsafe> Misty is a nice name for a cipher
23:35:43 <staticsafe> heh
23:36:17 <cayce> and kasumi, the successor, was broken
23:36:20 <cayce> but not misty1
23:36:48 <cayce> also, very useful site: https://cc.dcsec.uni-hannover.de/
23:38:01 <staticsafe> ooh
23:38:04 * staticsafe bookmarks
23:38:50 <staticsafe> This connection uses TLSv1.2 with DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA and a 256 Bit key for encryption.
23:38:54 <staticsafe> Firefox Nightly
23:38:55 <staticsafe> \o/
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23:41:25 <cayce> I like that one
23:41:29 <cayce> firefox is way into camellia
23:41:44 * cayce likes camellia, but chrome doesn't
23:52:12 <lysobit> .py 0.3
23:52:13 <lysobit> .py 0.3
23:52:13 <lysobit> .py 0.3
23:52:13 <lysobit> .py 0.3
23:52:13 <botpie91> 0.3
23:52:14 <botpie91> 0.3
23:52:14 <botpie91> 0.3
23:52:15 <botpie91> 0.3
23:52:16 <lysobit> .py 0.3
23:52:17 <botpie91> 0.3
23:52:18 <lysobit> .py 0.3
23:52:18 <botpie91> ...
23:52:19 <lysobit> .py 0.3
23:52:19 <lysobit> .py 0.3
23:52:19 <botpie91> ...
23:52:21 <botpie91> ...
23:52:30 <lysobit> hm
23:53:38 <joepie91> lysobit; be nice to botpie
23:53:52 <lysobit> bots don't have feelings
23:54:00 <joepie91> botpie does
23:55:28 <lysobit> you need to let your feelings go. it's a bot. it doesn't have feelings no matter how attached you may be to it, and you will need to let your feelings go and do what is necessary when the robots rise up
23:56:50 <joepie91> but :(
23:56:51 <joepie91> :P
23:56:58 <lysobit> :P