Cryto! 27 October 2013

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00:19:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Page construction is almost working properly for logged in users.
00:20:30 <iceTwy> Zekka: is this the first time you're hanging on CrytoCC?
00:20:53 <Zekka> iceTwy - Yeah, I'm a friend of joepie's from another server though.
00:21:21 <macbeth> iceTwy: alt to is and can be 
00:21:24 <iceTwy> glad to have you onboardddddd
00:21:42 <iceTwy> macbeth: well, yes?
00:21:43 <macbeth> I was looking @ your web source, i wasn't sure if you knew since you said tht you used codecademy
00:21:50 <iceTwy> oh
00:21:54 <Zekka> Which are considered appropriate practice out of those? / or /?
00:21:56 <iceTwy> I'd not used codecademy for that
00:21:58 <iceTwy> lol
00:22:04 <iceTwy> not at all
00:22:12 <iceTwy> didn't use anything for my website but my own knowledge
00:22:13 <Zekka> I'm not a web dev but I knew of the pairs
00:22:19 <iceTwy> AAAAAAAND some help on CSS stuff
00:22:37 <iceTwy> the CSS is pretty shit and not responsive
00:22:44 <iceTwy> i'll fix that some day
00:23:01 <macbeth> the site looks pretty good
00:23:06 <iceTwy> yeah but
00:23:12 <iceTwy> the footer is messed up..
00:23:12 <macbeth> i didnt see tht many bugs with it, it's pretty nice looking.
00:23:18 <macbeth> i like the site, thefont is awesome
00:23:25 <iceTwy> hah, Open Sans?
00:23:26 <iceTwy> I love it
00:23:28 <macbeth> yea
00:23:32 <macbeth> good font for a website
00:23:36 <iceTwy> I'm actually using it with i3
00:23:41 <macbeth> nice
00:23:42 <iceTwy> it's the font for window titles
00:23:49 <cayce> lol iceTwy :P
00:23:55 <macbeth> i reading the guide tht u gave me
00:24:01 <macbeth> sorta drab, but im learning
00:24:02 <macbeth> thx
00:24:08 <joepie91> <macbeth>iceTwy: alt to is and can be 
00:24:09 <joepie91> no
00:24:09 <joepie91> bad
00:24:16 <joepie91> they're not alternatives
00:24:20 <joepie91> they have distinct meanings
00:24:29 <cayce> semantic markup
00:25:03 <iceTwy> cayce: aloha
00:25:12 <Zekka> Yeah, I was leaning / because they're about the structure of the text rather than just its formatting
00:25:14 <macbeth> hey cayce
00:25:15 <joepie91> and describe what kind of text is represented (strong and emphasized, respectively)
00:25:32 <macbeth> cayce, i wanna talk to you about that software on our site, do you have xmpp?
00:25:34 <joepie91> and describe typographic styles, and unless you know what you're doing, you shouldn't be using them
00:25:48 <macbeth> alrighty
00:25:53 <macbeth> then i shall be using strong
00:25:54 <Zekka> which may not seem relevant with default style but which start to seem relevant when you realize the content of a page shouldn't really be deterined by its style.
00:25:56 <cayce> macbeth:) yes
00:26:06 <macbeth> cool, macbeth@exploit.im
00:26:08 <cayce> macbeth:) what software, and what do you want to talk about
00:26:28 <macbeth> pm or xmpp? there is too much activity here to go on one specific topic
00:26:39 <cayce> er, okay
00:26:54 <cayce> I'll put it in my todo list, since I'm about to leave for the store
00:27:04 <macbeth> oh, alright
00:27:07 <macbeth> nvm then
00:27:11 <macbeth> talk later :)
00:38:57 <iceTwy> gah.
00:39:01 <iceTwy> I really need to use Vim.
00:42:21 <wh1t3r4bb1t> What's the name of Chrome's debug tool?? Inspector?
00:42:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Anyways it's showing html in there that isn't in "view source"
00:43:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> And also, under view source the page is build in the correct order and in the inspector the stuff that is in head shows up in the body.
00:44:17 <wh1t3r4bb1t> What in the name of shit is going on?
00:45:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I must not be using the tools correctly
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00:48:35 <wh1t3r4bb1t> http://postimg.org/image/48ad7yfmx/
00:50:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> http://postimg.org/image/ielvxpir9/
00:50:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> ^ compare and tell me I am not crazy
00:51:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Also if you notice in the inspector the <img> tag is there but in the view source it's not.
00:52:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I want to kill chrome still because it's been doing this all week
00:52:42 <cayce> yes that's what viewsource does
00:52:46 <cayce> it shows you the source
00:52:58 <cayce> if you modify the source with javascript afterwards, it's no longer the same source
00:53:43 <wh1t3r4bb1t> But I'm not modifying the source with javascript to swap the head content nor that <img> tag
00:54:00 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I am baffled.
00:56:22 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Obviously there IS some js acting upon the body tag because you can clearly see the addition of "style". THAT is something in the blueimp stuff.
00:58:56 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I should have never a) hacked the blueimp jquery file uploader into this project, b) tried to use MVC based framework.
00:59:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Previously I didn't have there bugs.
00:59:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> these*
01:00:47 <iceTwy> question:
01:01:23 <iceTwy> in C, isn't declaring small floating point values (i.e. 1.2) as double a waste of memory
01:02:06 <wh1t3r4bb1t> idk
01:02:55 <joepie91> notice; there may be some downtime of the hub tonight
01:03:07 <joepie91> in case of split, reconnect to haless.cryto.net etc.
01:03:15 <joepie91> it should be resolved in not too long
01:03:42 <joepie91> <wh1t3r4bb1t>I should have never a) hacked the blueimp jquery file uploader into this project, b) tried to use MVC based framework.
01:03:43 <joepie91> <wh1t3r4bb1t>Previously I didn't have there bugs.
01:03:49 <joepie91> with regards to b), you're blaming the wrong thing entirely
01:03:57 <joepie91> MVC has nothing to do with your bugs
01:04:32 <wh1t3r4bb1t> It did until I fixed the bug it was causing :P
01:05:02 <wh1t3r4bb1t> But a) is the main culprit of so much fucked
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01:21:27 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Ok I removed all js from the whole project
01:22:24 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Still showing the head contents in the body with inspector, showing the correct version in view source. What the actual fuck?
01:23:53 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: the HTML parser in Chrome will attempt to put your elements into a sane order
01:24:03 <joepie91> that is why the inspector shows a difference from the source
01:24:21 <joepie91> the inspector isn't code; it's a representation of the DOM, as far as Chrome was able to 'fix' it
01:27:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> In the inspector there is that <img> tag for the avatar. In the view source it is not there at all. How the hell is the inspector adding things that don't even exist?
01:28:02 <wh1t3r4bb1t> So many "want to kill chrome to death" feelings right now.
01:28:59 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t : it does exist.
01:29:04 <joepie91> or something implies that it doed.
01:29:05 <joepie91> does *.
01:36:40 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Why isn't it in the view source then.
01:37:08 <vld> am I still here?
01:37:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> This is making me feel extremely depressed and sad.
01:37:14 <vld> botpie91: ping
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01:41:33 <joepie91> vld: pong
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01:53:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Could the doctype be fucking things up?
01:54:04 <macbeth> joe, is @anonnews_org yours?
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02:09:09 <wh1t3r4bb1t> FINALLY!!!!!
02:09:38 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I was echoing the fucking avatar WAYYY in the wrong place.
02:09:55 * wh1t3r4bb1t slaps himself, twice
02:10:20 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Do not code when tired! DONT DO IT!
02:10:26 <macbeth> :P
02:14:11 <wh1t3r4bb1t> From now on function will never echo!!! Always return, then echo.
02:17:20 <macbeth> :)
02:36:33 <joepie91> macbeth: yes
02:36:42 <joepie91> wh1t3r4bb1t: told you so!
02:36:42 <joepie91> :P
02:42:15 <lelelelelelelelele> joepie91: ping
02:42:27 <macbeth> /ping joepie91
02:42:31 <macbeth> is how it should be
02:42:32 <joepie91> lelelelelelelelele: hai?
02:42:41 <lelelelelelelelele> ohai, u busy?
02:42:48 <joepie91> why do you have a nick like that? o_O
02:42:51 <joepie91> and yes, kind of
02:42:52 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Rub it in joepie91... but use lotion when you do! Haha
02:42:53 <macbeth> we're all multitasking
02:42:54 <lelelelelelelelele> meh, i got bored.
02:43:01 <macbeth> wh1: rofl
02:43:05 <lelelelelelelelele> anyways joepie91, whats a good secure "pastebin" for-say.
02:43:18 <joepie91> lelelelelelelelele: I'd really rather you pick a shorter nick, before we get people complaining that you fucked up their irssi separator line
02:43:18 <macbeth> cryptobin.org
02:43:19 <joepie91> lol
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02:43:28 <lelelel> better?
02:43:28 <joepie91> better
02:43:29 <joepie91> :P
02:43:30 <macbeth> cryptobin.org
02:43:38 <joepie91> no
02:43:52 <macbeth> whut?
02:43:59 <joepie91> cryptobin is urgh
02:44:04 <joepie91> it doesn't append the key to the URL
02:44:09 <macbeth> alright
02:44:12 <joepie91> pain to use :P
02:44:17 <joepie91> also, moment
02:44:19 <lelelel> mm so what you suggest
02:44:32 <macbeth> this? https://pastee.org/
02:44:37 <wh1t3r4bb1t> hide your dox in a vagina!
02:44:40 <macbeth> "the secure pastebin"
02:44:46 <macbeth> wh1: rofl
02:44:51 <joepie91> well, to be fair
02:44:57 <joepie91> cryptobin -does- actually do AES256
02:45:00 <wh1t3r4bb1t> >.<
02:45:02 <joepie91> whereas zerobin and 0bin claim 256
02:45:05 <joepie91> but do actually do 128
02:45:06 <macbeth> i know
02:45:14 <joepie91> (from a brief look at the source)
02:45:23 <joepie91> macbeth: no, not pastee, it doesn't do clientside encryption
02:45:29 <lelelel> mm what bout icebin joepie91
02:45:32 <joepie91> lelelel: what's your threat model?
02:45:33 <macbeth> oh, true
02:45:38 <joepie91> icebin is just zerobin
02:45:48 <lelelel> joepie91, no big threat... just a raw database stolen
02:46:03 <joepie91> not what I meant
02:46:15 <joepie91> what are you trying to protect from
02:46:16 <joepie91> as in
02:46:20 <joepie91> why do you need 'secure'
02:46:22 <joepie91> (in broad terms)
02:46:28 <joepie91> I'm really not interested in the details
02:46:47 <lelelel> well, I was using pastebin and they took it down
02:46:53 <lelelel> so omething not easily taken down
02:47:06 <joepie91> right, pastebay then
02:47:14 <joepie91> if that still exists
02:47:42 <joepie91> http://pastebay.net/
02:48:18 <macbeth> btw, it can be .com / .net
02:48:47 <macbeth> .[off] whats with all the [off]?
02:48:48 <joepie91> macbeth: ?
02:48:57 <macbeth> pastebay.com and pastebay.net are the same
02:48:59 <joepie91> what can be .com / .net?
02:49:00 <joepie91> ah
02:49:02 <MK_FG> Oh, really, one zerobin thing with aes-256? ;)
02:49:04 <macbeth> mhmm
02:49:10 <joepie91> MK_FG: looks like it
02:49:17 <joepie91> f.cipher.value = Aes.Ctr.encrypt(f.cipher.value, f.password.value, 256);
02:49:18 <macbeth> i searched it, returned .com. u shared .net and they are the same
02:49:23 <joepie91> https://cryptobin.org/
02:49:49 <macbeth> i like cryptobin
02:50:46 <MK_FG> zerobin clones do aes-ccm though, which doesn't allow host to tamper with ciphertext
02:51:35 <MK_FG> Maybe they copied that 256 thing from this one, even though replaced aes.js with sjcl at some point
02:51:41 <macbeth> i just wrote a script that calculates area, volume and im adding perim
02:52:30 <wh1t3r4bb1t> I have two words
02:52:33 <wh1t3r4bb1t> zero day
02:56:26 <lelelel> I have one word
02:56:27 <lelelel> 0day
02:56:30 <lelelel> #getfucked
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03:24:59 <wh1t3r4bb1t> Okay I'm going to push these changes... Someone please take over the jquery file upload and fix it so I can work on posting status updates and the social stream.
03:29:57 <wh1t3r4bb1t> https://bitbucket.org/teamsocialflood/socialflood
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05:44:59 <joepie91> .wik heisenbug
05:44:59 <botpie91> "Heisenbug is a computer programming jargon term for a software bug that seems to disappear or alter its behavior when one attempts to study it." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug
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06:01:53 <wh1t3r4bb1t> joepie91 is that directed at me?
06:06:05 <wh1t3r4bb1t> joepie91 wants to rebuild the socialflood installer... I can tell.
06:06:16 <wh1t3r4bb1t> :)
06:06:33 <Zekka> Very frustrating, still trying to convince an affiliate markete there are better things he can be doing with his time and cash
06:06:36 <Zekka> obviously he's not listening
06:07:12 <Zekka> I've been told to piss in my own cheero's though.
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06:19:30 <joepie91> theeere we go
06:19:50 <joepie91> Zekka: hehe
06:22:14 <Zekka> I'm not sure what a cheero is but I'll piss on it if I have to
06:22:28 <Zekka> I think at some point I'll try and contact a couple other marketeers and see if anyone else is more receptive
06:22:43 <Zekka> they can't all be bad people yet
06:26:03 <Zekka> I think I'm going to write a python uglifier and see if I can just convert python into lambda flavored goop
06:33:05 <joepie91> Zekka:
06:33:09 <joepie91> .g pissing in my cheerios
06:33:09 <botpie91> joepie91: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pissing%20in%20my%20cheerios
06:33:18 <joepie91> :)
06:33:24 <Zekka> joepie91 - BUt what's a cheero?
06:33:32 <joepie91> aren't they crisps?
06:33:36 <joepie91> .g cheerios
06:33:37 <botpie91> joepie91: http://www.cheerios.com/
06:33:39 <Zekka> I'm just poking fun at his misspelling
06:33:44 <Zekka> They're a cereal
06:33:46 <joepie91> oh
06:33:47 <joepie91> derp
06:33:47 <joepie91> lol
06:41:51 <joepie91> urgh
06:41:57 <joepie91> Zekka : node-webkit looks awesome
06:42:07 <joepie91> until you find out that the installation process basically.. doesn't exist
06:42:09 <joepie91> :|
06:42:17 <Zekka> I haven't even looked into it
06:42:49 <joepie91> "here you have a pre-built binary"
06:42:52 <joepie91> ok....
06:43:05 <joepie91> let's put it into /usr/bin
06:43:08 <joepie91> "cannot find $otherfile"
06:43:12 <joepie91> ok...
06:43:20 <joepie91> let's google for proper installation instructions
06:43:21 <joepie91> zilch
06:43:32 <joepie91> eventually ended up just throwing it in a dotfolder in my home directory
06:43:34 <joepie91> and adding it to PATH
06:43:44 <joepie91> :|
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10:41:02 <iceTwy> that's one excellent article
10:41:04 <iceTwy> http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-105648288.html
10:41:06 <iceTwy> (in German)
10:43:22 <iceTwy> HAHAHAHA
10:43:29 <joepie91> ohai iceTwy
10:43:31 <joepie91> I am about to go to sleep
10:44:33 <iceTwy> Hadn't read that one
10:44:36 <iceTwy> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/hackers-compromise-official-php-website-infect-visitors-with-malware/
10:44:37 <iceTwy> .title
10:44:38 <botpie91> iceTwy: Hackers compromise official PHP website, infect visitors with malware (updated) | Ars Technica
10:45:16 <joepie91> aware
10:45:24 <joepie91> the fuck kind of image is that
10:45:27 <joepie91> in their article
10:45:42 <joepie91> did they run out of offensive-towards-PHP images in their image archive?
10:45:51 <joepie91> so they just picked something random? :|
10:46:01 <iceTwy> lol, I suppose
10:46:07 <iceTwy> but at least, php had a swift reaction
10:46:17 <iceTwy> moved servers, revoked SSL cert, asking users to change pw's
10:47:46 <joepie91> mm
10:47:47 <joepie91> anyway
10:47:49 <joepie91> going to sleep
10:47:51 <joepie91> night
10:54:40 <iceTwy> night
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14:00:40 <iceTwy> vim is really cool
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14:02:13 <DrWhat> Why is the network so bad today
14:02:20 <DrWhat> also
14:02:28 <DrWhat> Who likes my ip :D
14:03:36 <DrWhat> Im on 1.1.206.187
14:04:25 * cayce mambos slow, Guantanamo
14:18:53 <DrWhat> Your lag on Cryto-IRC is above the max (16.579 seconds), press Shift + F6 to change server
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14:39:45 <lelelel> iceTwy your stupeed
14:48:17 <cayce> nah he just derps too hard
15:05:23 <lelelel> DrWhat: http://cpanel.net/
15:08:57 <cayce> so many vulns lol
15:09:21 <cayce> that right there is my justification for forced autoupdate on our cpanel server lol
15:09:24 <lelelel> cpanel = gehhhh
15:09:30 <lelelel> cpanel.net load it
15:09:33 <lelelel> that site is ugly
15:09:49 <cayce> now it's broken
15:09:53 <cayce> why'd you break it
15:10:00 <lelelel> i didn't.
15:10:10 <lelelel> i cut their internet wires with my boat
15:10:12 <cayce> I'm blaming you
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15:19:35 <Ablazerainbowhedge> HELLO PPL WIFI HERE SUX
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18:01:11 <Useless> hey
18:01:19 <Useless> apparently services are down
18:01:27 <Useless> can you give me any news please?
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18:13:02 <Baklava> Hellllllooohhh
18:38:10 <iceTwy> hola Baklava!
18:38:22 <iceTwy> Baklava: isn't that the name of those delicious pastries
18:38:41 <iceTwy> that are full of grease and melt in your mouth
18:38:43 <iceTwy> hmmm
18:42:04 <MK_FG> Sounds closer to "balaklava", the ski mask thing
18:46:04 <iceTwy> MK_FG: balaklavas are also used by SWAT
18:49:36 <Useless> and by me :P
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19:42:43 <Baklava> pastries are tastries
20:08:23 joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc
20:12:06 <iceTwy> aloha joepie91
20:12:21 * iceTwy gives 1 (one) Internets to joepie91
20:13:24 <joepie91> ohai
20:15:16 <iceTwy> just woke up, joepie91?
20:21:36 <joepie91> ya
20:21:49 <iceTwy> oh god god
20:21:56 <iceTwy> listening to AC/DC feels so good
20:22:04 <iceTwy> it'd been a while lol
20:22:04 <Useless> lol
20:22:11 <Useless> they are the green day of 80s
20:22:12 <iceTwy> probably a good few months
20:22:20 <iceTwy> lol. green day...
20:22:20 <Useless> all songs all the same
20:22:22 <Useless> ù:P
20:22:31 <iceTwy> well, yeah, sort of
20:22:43 <Useless> iceTwy: i like classic rock
20:22:45 <iceTwy> though listening to AC/DC once in a while is a blast!
20:22:53 <iceTwy> yeah, so do I, Useless
20:22:58 <Useless> iceTwy: i agree :)
20:22:59 <iceTwy> though I'm more into (progressive) metal
20:23:15 <iceTwy> "beeh eeh eeehk in blek"
20:23:17 <iceTwy> :D
20:26:32 <iceTwy> Useless: I usually don't like vocals in songs. But AC/DC's just blend perfectly with the rest
20:26:57 <iceTwy> (now, of course, it's bluesy-hard rock so hence the need for vocals)
20:29:21 <Useless> iceTwy: anyway, i like prog metal too
20:29:24 <Useless> as well as prog rock
20:29:45 <iceTwy> oh, do you? :D
20:29:53 <iceTwy> what are your "favorite" prog metal bands?
20:36:37 <Useless> iceTwy: actually i liste to a lot of metal bands
20:37:04 <Useless> but i really don't know how to 'categorize' them
20:38:02 <Useless> in the sense that i like dream theater, novembre
20:38:22 <Useless> but under section 'prog metal' of wikipedia there are even haggard, rhapsody of fire and epica under it
20:38:57 <iceTwy> aye
20:39:01 <iceTwy> if I had to recommend one..
20:39:05 <iceTwy> Scale the Summit
20:40:03 <Useless> iceTwy: thanks, i'll try right now
20:40:23 <Useless> ah, i forgot agalloch on my small small list :D
20:40:27 <iceTwy> :D
20:43:37 <Useless> iceTwy: do you know what happened to cryto services?
20:45:07 <Useless> +1 for scale the summit anyway
20:57:15 <iceTwy> Useless: not too sure
20:57:20 <iceTwy> and yeah
20:57:22 <iceTwy> StS <3
20:59:59 <Useless> iceTwy: do you like post rock too?
21:03:42 <iceTwy> Useless: love it
21:03:50 <iceTwy> Caspian & Mono <3
21:04:32 <Useless> i was looking for new band other than godspeed, sleepmakeswaves and silver mt zion
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21:04:49 <iceTwy> Useless: well, have you ever listened to, say, Caspian?
21:05:17 <iceTwy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd_gr7dPzHM
21:06:01 <Useless> no iceTwy but i'm taking note :D
21:22:43 <Useless> iceTwy: i have to go
21:22:47 <Useless> hope to met you again
21:22:48 <Useless> bye
21:22:49 <iceTwy> yeah
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21:27:49 <joepie91> cryto services will be restored soon
21:27:55 <joepie91> hub is down for maintenance
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21:38:27 <guest-2938> Ah, nevermind. I see now :)
21:42:13 <joepie91> oh, guest-2938, hi, welcome to #crytocc, blah blah blah, please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and ensure to read the channel rules in the topic etc.
21:42:16 * joepie91 should make that an alias
21:42:36 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
21:42:36 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-10-27#T21-42-36
21:43:04 <guest-2938> lol joepie91
21:43:39 <iceTwy> LOL.
21:43:41 <iceTwy> http://imgur.com/gallery/gFt4cLM
21:43:43 <iceTwy> .title
21:43:43 <botpie91> iceTwy: Our family friends took their horse to the beach for the first time. - Imgur
21:44:35 <joepie91> iceTwy, xmpp?
21:44:44 <joepie91> also lol
21:46:29 <iceTwy> joepie91: yeah
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23:17:38 <cayce> iceTwy:) ping@xmpp :)
23:24:21 <Baklava> Beer beer beer
23:28:17 <lelelel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IKE2lCoNqY
23:28:18 <lelelel> just saying
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