Cryto! 15 October 2013

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01:23:45 <Zoned> xmpp for a sec?
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01:32:25 <Zoned> botpie91, ask joepie91 to get on xmpp when he is around
01:32:26 <botpie91> Zoned: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around.
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01:49:14 <MK_FG> botpie91, tell joepie91 that he seem to be missing pygtksourceview bindings on or have syntax-hl disabled in gtksourceview/meld
01:49:15 <botpie91> MK_FG: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around.
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02:22:27 <cayce> no, no xmpp I'm at school doof
03:43:53 <cayce> and uh, yeah I saw that tls shit
03:44:01 <cayce> salsa as streaming cipher
03:44:23 <cayce> and is poly1305 the one djb did? MK_FG
03:44:39 <cayce> yes it is
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03:49:04 <MK_FG> chacha20, not salsa20 iirc
03:49:23 <cayce> yeah, sounds like
03:49:32 <cayce> pretty sure salsa's a derivitive of chacha
03:49:36 <MK_FG> zZzZZzZ
03:49:55 <cayce> oh, salsa's stream cipher to chacha's blocks maybe
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03:50:19 <cayce> wrong way
03:50:26 <cayce> chacha is a variant of salsa
03:50:27 <cayce> got it
03:50:28 <cayce> cool
03:50:34 <cayce> The ChaCha family of stream ciphers, also known as Snuffle 2008, is a variant of the Salsa20 family of stream ciphers. The following paper introduces ChaCha and compares it to Salsa20:
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07:31:49 <norbert79> Morning
07:32:04 <norbert79> If someone might have missed: - aaaand the reactions follow
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07:32:36 <norbert79> aaand
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07:33:06 <norbert79> I was first clueless, then I read the article and after that I wished I didn't have done it
07:38:12 <MK_FG> Reading diagonally, I don't quite get what's so scary in there
07:38:41 <MK_FG> forbes article seem to be describing trivial way to connect from pwned host to outside
07:39:15 <MK_FG> Sure, you can do it from bash, as well as some custom random /usr/bin/system-thing binary...
07:39:21 <MK_FG> What's the big deal?
07:43:03 <norbert79> exactly :)
07:43:28 <norbert79> You get the point and why this article seems so stupid
07:49:39 <MK_FG> Heh
07:51:14 <norbert79> "Look, a shell can open up connections... It's eeeeevil!"
07:55:08 <MK_FG> It seem weird that it gets some reactions at all
07:55:22 <norbert79> Mostly facepalms
07:55:24 <norbert79> :)
07:55:39 <MK_FG> Counts too ;)
07:56:08 <norbert79> Well, you can't just ignore such a high level of stupidity
07:56:12 <MK_FG> Opposite of endorsement is total lack of attention, not bunch of facepalms all around the net, I think ;)
07:56:30 <norbert79> it's like not reacting to a sporty nice boobed girl who walks without a top
07:56:42 <norbert79> it just won't work...
07:56:46 <norbert79> You MUST react
07:57:35 <MK_FG> Meh, why would you, surely there're tons of similar non-news all around
07:58:04 <MK_FG> Look at it, BS detectors go "alarm", close tab, forget in 3 2 1... ;)
07:58:21 <norbert79> because it came from the forbes... Not 'JimmiesExcitingUberCoolRainbowNews' which i would probably ignore
07:58:31 <norbert79> hehhe
07:58:35 <norbert79> Yeah, true point
07:58:56 <MK_FG> I always thought Forbes was a cesspit of really crappy rumors and idiotic opinions ;)
07:59:07 <MK_FG> Like, "bitcoin is eeeeeviiiil, whooo!!!" ;)
07:59:17 <MK_FG> "we all gonna diiiieeee!!!"
07:59:35 <MK_FG> "we don't know what the shit is happening with the kids these days, whooo!!!!"
07:59:41 <norbert79> Sure, but if it harms the name of IT Security by releasing so many stupid articles some must say : "Stop" ... I am not concerned about the IT Sec. guys, I am concerned about their bosses
07:59:45 <MK_FG> Really, really crappy ;)
08:00:03 <norbert79> You know how much pain in the ass is explaining to your boss why you will not fix this "vulnerability"?
08:00:05 <norbert79> :)
08:00:13 <MK_FG> Oh god
08:00:27 <MK_FG> If one has to do that, and it's also hard
08:00:35 <MK_FG> I'd think you should RUN! ;)
08:00:44 <MK_FG> But yeah, not always that easy
08:00:47 <norbert79> Imagine the pain and then you can understand why you cannot just walk by this article without saying a word
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08:03:38 <MK_FG> Actually I was surprised on similar note about how much attention that "rc4 in android" article got
08:03:59 <norbert79> Well, it has some importance...
08:04:13 <MK_FG> What? No!
08:04:18 <norbert79> Explain... :)
08:04:19 <MK_FG> It's really cheap sensationalism
08:04:46 <MK_FG> Risk of BEAST attack was known since link 2002 papers
08:05:06 <MK_FG> md5 is fine with unorthodox mac-then-encrypt
08:05:12 <norbert79> sure, which only makes the choice rather being weird
08:05:18 <MK_FG> rc4 was freaking great in 2010
08:05:45 <MK_FG> tls1.1/1.2 was nowhere in sight with beast mitigations
08:05:55 <MK_FG> So they fixed "decrypt shit in 30s" thing and what, it's bad?
08:06:34 <MK_FG> And "they" probably being AGL, who probably knows TLS better than anyone else
08:06:55 <MK_FG> So it doesn't seem that unexpected at all, yet whooo conspiracy!
08:07:37 <MK_FG> Like 50% rc4 usage now is much bigger conspiracy, if anything
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10:46:21 <iceTwy> hola
10:46:31 <iceTwy> I'm wondering whether I should register or not...
10:46:42 <iceTwy> such a cool name for a pastebin, and it's free!
10:46:48 <iceTwy> available, rather
10:58:56 <joepie91> .whois
10:58:57 <botpie91> joepie91: 01:32Z <Zoned> ask joepie91 to get on xmpp when he is around
10:58:59 <botpie91> joepie91: 01:49Z <MK_FG> tell joepie91 that he seem to be missing pygtksourceview bindings on or have syntax-hl disabled in gtksourceview/meld
10:59:00 <botpie91> The domain does not seem to exist.
10:59:05 <joepie91> notbad.avi
11:02:31 <joepie91> MK_FG: I did actually have them installed, syntax highlighting was just turned off in my Meld prefs
11:02:38 <joepie91> and I was unaware of the existence of that functionality
11:02:38 <joepie91> :P
11:03:12 <joepie91>
11:03:13 <joepie91> there we go
11:04:03 <joepie91> interesting:
11:04:05 <joepie91> .title
11:04:06 <botpie91> joepie91: Jabber/XMPP Server
11:04:11 <joepie91> unhelpful title is unhelpful
11:04:19 <joepie91> "A public Jabber/XMPP server running on hyperboria and the internet."
11:04:25 <joepie91> " will federate with any hyperboria or internet jabber server. You can chat with anyone!"
11:05:42 <iceTwy> ah well joepie91
11:05:45 <iceTwy> I've registered it.
11:05:51 <iceTwy> I can't miss such a greate occasion ;)
11:06:04 <MK_FG> Wat, u on hype too?
11:06:07 <joepie91> .whois
11:06:08 <botpie91> The domain does not seem to exist.
11:06:11 <joepie91> heh
11:06:11 <MK_FG> Hypesters
11:06:15 <joepie91> MK_FG: I am not
11:06:22 <joepie91> but someone added me on XMPP
11:06:30 <joepie91> and I wondered what it was, never seen the FQDN before
11:06:30 <joepie91> :)
11:06:31 <MK_FG> Probably cayce ;)
11:06:55 <MK_FG> He did install cjdns seeing how I can't shut up about it a few days ago ;)
11:06:58 <iceTwy> great*
11:07:25 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Added bootstrap3-jade-sublime-plugin', '02Merge pull request #2143 from rs459/patch-1Added bootstrap3-jade-sublime-plugin' (
11:10:14 <iceTwy> .whois
11:10:15 <botpie91> The domain does not seem to exist.
11:10:35 <MK_FG> joepie91, Also I decided to try meld and did unthinkable evil rewriting nice py scripts you had into one ugly bash thing - behold - :P
11:10:41 <iceTwy> I can't add it on CloudFlare yet unfortunately
11:10:51 <MK_FG> (to have it as separate "git meld" command, too)
11:12:11 <joepie91> not quite sure what you're doing there
11:12:12 <joepie91> :P
11:12:16 <joepie91> also
11:12:17 <joepie91> exec 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null # meld is very noisy ;(
11:12:18 <joepie91> lol
11:12:23 <joepie91> it's GTK, of course it's noisy!
11:12:54 <MK_FG> "not quite sure what you're doing there" - that's trademark of a bash script :P
11:13:00 <joepie91> lol
11:13:01 <joepie91> true
11:13:07 <joepie91> so as far as I can tell
11:13:19 <joepie91> you're somehow trying to replace the normal git pager (less) with itself
11:13:26 <joepie91> to catch the multiple diff calls
11:13:31 <joepie91> and group them together
11:13:32 <MK_FG> might explain moar
11:13:32 <joepie91> correct?
11:13:54 <MK_FG> No no, just disabling pager so it won't run with empty input on "git diff"
11:14:04 <joepie91> then I'm confused.
11:14:12 <MK_FG> Basically, "git meld", as implemented by that script is a proxy to "git diff"
11:14:17 <MK_FG> Or rather wrapper around it
11:14:43 <MK_FG> Which sets itself as GIT_EXTERNAL_DIFF and runs git-diff
11:14:47 <joepie91> right
11:15:01 <joepie91> but bash :(
11:15:02 <MK_FG> Which produces bunch of files in $tmpdir with list in lock.$pid
11:15:13 <MK_FG> And then runs meld on that list just as you do
11:15:17 <joepie91> ahh
11:15:28 <joepie91> your lock timeout is 30 though?
11:15:33 <joepie91> is that 30 secs?
11:15:48 <MK_FG> Yeah, but it shouldn't really be necessary
11:15:58 <MK_FG> Only to lock out concurrent "git meld" runs
11:16:02 <joepie91> how does your script detect that git is done feeding it diff calls?
11:16:10 <MK_FG> "git diff" finishes
11:16:17 * joepie91 more confused now
11:16:19 <MK_FG> It's easier with wrapper
11:16:22 <joepie91> OH
11:16:29 <joepie91> I think I understand
11:16:33 <joepie91> heh
11:16:42 <MK_FG> Yeah, it actually runs "git diff", when that finishes - all files are collected
11:17:08 <MK_FG> (and it does some cleanup for older diffs after that, as I use memory-backed tmpfs there...)
11:17:31 <MK_FG> See, bash \o/
11:17:47 <MK_FG> You have to explain it in more lines than script is :P
11:17:55 <MK_FG> Very perl-like
11:18:02 <joepie91> hehe
11:18:09 <MK_FG> (rather *old-perl*-like)
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11:32:12 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Adding ST3 Compatible HowDoI Code Search plugin', '02correcting alphabetical order', '02Merge pull request #2152 from jlangston/masterAdding ST3 Compatible HowDoI Code Search plugin' (
11:34:43 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02added ST3 version of Open URL', '02Merge pull request #2154 from noahcoad/patch-2added ST3 version of Open URL' (
11:35:14 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02added Google Spell Check ST3 version', '02Merge pull request #2155 from noahcoad/patch-3added Google Spell Check ST3 version' (
11:35:44 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Adding powershell help repo', '02Merge pull request #2156 from sponte/masterAdding powershell help repo' (
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12:38:03 <joepie91>
12:38:04 <joepie91> "Announcement in Chinese:
12:38:04 <joepie91> Baidu Jiasule, a CloudFlare-like anti-DDOS service by Baidu (NASDAQ:BIDU), today announce that they accept bitcoin for payment. This is the first service of this kind accepts bitcoin (in the whole world, not just China).
12:38:04 <joepie91> If you don't know what is Baidu: it is the Google of China."
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12:39:21 <complex> yay
12:44:25 <norbert79> out of curiosity...
12:44:29 <norbert79> .bt
12:44:34 <norbert79> .bitcoin
12:44:35 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $135.92, 1 BTC = €109.50
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14:00:51 <HiveResearch> brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains brains
14:01:02 <norbert79> mushroom mushroom!
14:01:03 <Topiary> lol
14:05:45 <lysobit> Lopado­temacho­selacho­galeo­kranio­leipsano­drim­hypo­trimmato­silphio­parao­melito­katakechy­meno­kichl­epi­kossypho­phatto­perister­alektryon­opte­kephallio­kigklo­peleio­lagoio­siraio­baphe­tragano­pterygon
14:06:28 <Topiary> qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm
14:07:02 <norbert79> lysobit: What kind of curse spell was that?
14:08:17 <lysobit> It's a dish compounded of all kinds of dainties, fish, flesh, fowl, and sauces
14:08:25 <lysobit> It can turn your computer to a bomb
14:09:40 <norbert79> again?
14:10:26 <lysobit> .wik Lopado­temacho­selacho­galeo­kranio­leipsano­drim­hypo­trimmato­silphio­parao­melito­katakechy­meno­kichl­epi­kossypho­phatto­perister­alektryon­opte­kephallio­kigklo­peleio­lagoio­siraio­baphe­tragano­pterygon
14:10:27 <botpie91> " [...]" -­temacho­selacho­galeo­kranio­leipsano­drim­hypo­trimmato­silphio­parao­melito­katakechy­meno­kichl­epi­kossypho­phatto­perister­alektryon­opte­kephallio­kigklo­peleio­lagoio­siraio­baphe­tragano­pterygon
14:10:45 <norbert79> no way
14:10:56 <lysobit> ?
14:11:23 <norbert79> I KNEW IT... "All sorts of good cheer;
14:11:24 <norbert79> Limpets, oysters, salt fish,
14:11:24 <norbert79> And a skate too a dish,
14:11:31 <norbert79> We had to learn that
14:11:39 <norbert79> now it seems familiar
14:13:05 <lysobit> .g 卐
14:13:06 <botpie91> lysobit:
14:13:44 <lysobit> .g 卐卐卐
14:13:45 <botpie91> lysobit:
14:13:46 <norbert79> .g weebl
14:13:47 <botpie91> norbert79:
14:13:52 <norbert79> nice
14:14:00 <lysobit> .wik 卐
14:14:01 <botpie91> "The swastika (卐) (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with four arms bent at 90 degrees." -卐
14:14:25 <lysobit> .g स्वस्ति
14:14:26 <botpie91> lysobit:
14:14:34 <lysobit> .wik स्वस्ति
14:14:35 <botpie91> "In Indian religions mantra (Devanagari मन्त्र) is a Sanskrit term for a sound, syllable, word, or group of words (usually starting with word ॐ (Aum, Om), which is itself the most famous mantra) that is considered capable of 'creating transformation' (cf. [...]" -
14:14:48 <lysobit> .wik मन्त्र
14:14:49 <botpie91> "In Indian religions mantra (Devanagari मन्त्र) is a Sanskrit term for a sound, syllable, word, or group of words (usually starting with word ॐ (Aum, Om), which is itself the most famous mantra) that is considered capable of 'creating transformation' (cf. [...]" -
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15:25:11 <norbert79> joepie91: - I like the guy, I like his style, you might be interested in the article. I was reading his articles on IBM in the past...
15:26:09 <norbert79> Hope you will find it interesting
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15:43:13 <joepie91> norbert79: I've read it before, he's more clueful than most but still goes wrong on quite a few aspects
15:43:21 <joepie91> "Because it consistently costs more than a dollar to mine a dollar's worth of Bitcoins" for example
15:43:23 <joepie91> is incorrect
15:43:49 <joepie91> "but whatâ??s to keep me from owning 90+ Bitcoin mining accounts and gaming the system? "
15:43:55 <joepie91> there's no such thing as a "Bitcoin mining account"
15:44:08 <joepie91> "Admittedly itâ??s not that easy: In practical terms Iâ??d need a majority of the worldâ??s mining nodes to make that scam stick"
15:44:17 <joepie91> is also incorrect; it's about calculation power, not amount of nodes
15:44:36 <joepie91> (that misperception is repeated throughout the paragraph)
15:45:20 <joepie91> his doom scenario of a large amount of mining power from one single entity ignores the overall growth of mining power on the network, as well as the fact that such an increase will be immediately obvious
15:45:24 <joepie91> and easily detectable
15:45:28 <joepie91> (and, thus, mitigatable)
15:45:46 <joepie91> "Bitcoin, as the first crypto-currency, is the one that will be tested in court."
15:46:33 <joepie91> this has actually been proven incorrect already; in basically all court cases and government statements, it was 'cryptocurrencies' that it focused around, even if the original intention was for it to be about Bitcoin
15:46:43 <joepie91> "Iâ??d assign the tactical advantage to Litecoins, which are cheaper than Bitcoins"
15:47:09 <joepie91> this is also nonsense; Litecoins are not inherently 'cheaper than Bitcoins', they just happen to have a lower exchange rate now because there's less demand for it
15:47:19 <joepie91> and they do not provide any long-term benefits over Bitcoins
15:48:08 <joepie91> as for entire point 4), that's just ridiculous reasoning altogether
15:48:27 <joepie91> it has been proven time and time again that these "government meddling decisions" do not actually benefit anyone outside a select group of people
15:48:39 <joepie91> so it's basically already determined that absence of government meddling is a good thing
15:48:58 <joepie91> (reminder: effectively all problems with traditional banking were initially *caused* by government in some capacity)
15:49:26 <joepie91> their half-assed attempts at "solving" the problems they caused themselves, does not magically make government meddling a good thing
15:49:36 <joepie91> at best, it shows some degree of attempting self-correction
15:49:43 <joepie91> at worst, it's a thin cover to make people not get too mad about it
15:49:50 <joepie91> EOF, cc norbert79
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15:51:40 <joepie91> iceTwy:
15:51:42 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
15:51:42 <loggy>
15:51:47 <joepie91> also hai
15:54:32 <joepie91> .title
15:54:33 <botpie91> joepie91: RATS! Your guide to protecting yourself against snitches, informers, informants, agents provocateurs, narcs, finks, and similar vermin
16:14:07 <iceTwy> hola
16:14:17 <iceTwy> joepie91: so I've bought
16:14:36 <joepie91> :)
16:14:37 <iceTwy> can I route the traffic to the AAAA record through CloudFlare?
16:14:46 <iceTwy> is running on a VPS, still
16:14:58 <joepie91> I'm... not entirely sure what you mean with "route the traffic to the AAAA record"
16:15:04 <iceTwy> I mean
16:15:05 <joepie91> it's quite ambiguous :P
16:15:27 <iceTwy> on the AAAA record, there's an option to enable traffic acceleration with CloudFlare.
16:15:58 <iceTwy> now is hosted on a VPS - will it resolve with CloudFlare?
16:16:15 <joepie91> on what AAAA record? resolve how?
16:16:26 <joepie91> how does it being on a VPS matter or change anything?
16:16:29 <joepie91> what was the previous situation?
16:16:30 <joepie91> etc.
16:16:35 <joepie91> be as verbose as you can be
16:18:09 <iceTwy> well, iirc, when I enabled CloudFlare acceleration on
16:18:20 <iceTwy> didn't resolve to the correct address
16:18:22 <iceTwy> so
16:18:28 <iceTwy> eventually, I couldn't even SSH into
16:18:39 <iceTwy> however when I disabled CloudFlare acceleration, it worked
16:18:45 <iceTwy> so this is rather odd
16:19:06 <iceTwy> now I don't have a spare IPv4 IP for my VPS
16:19:23 <iceTwy> so I'll add an AAAA record with an IPv6 address instead of an A record with an IPv4 address
16:19:55 <joepie91> iceTwy: that clarifies what you mean
16:19:58 <joepie91> it's not "odd"
16:20:03 <joepie91> Cloudflare is a HTTP proxy
16:20:20 <joepie91> when you enable the acceleration stuff, all HTTP(S) traffic gets routed through their servers
16:20:23 <joepie91> other protocols do not
16:20:34 <joepie91> that is why you normally have a direct-connect entry
16:20:39 <joepie91> that has acceleration turned off
16:20:45 <joepie91> and points directly to the actual server
16:21:06 <joepie91> so just add some kind of entry pointing directly at your VPS, and enable acceleration for the main DNS entry and you should be fine
16:21:19 <iceTwy> oh okay
16:21:29 <iceTwy> so I can effectively speed up the VPS
16:21:48 <iceTwy> and then add a "direct" subdomain that won't go through CloudFlare
16:22:01 <iceTwy> and through the direct subdomain I should be able to log into SSH?
16:22:07 <iceTwy> log into my VPS with SSH*
16:43:03 <joepie91> iceTwy: yes
16:43:41 <iceTwy> cool
16:44:04 <iceTwy> joepie91: I'm hesitating between SHA-1 and SHA-2 hashes for SSL/TLS on
16:46:10 <iceTwy> fuck it, I'll go with SHA2 for the fun of it
16:54:28 <joepie91> SHA2
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17:56:12 <iceTwy> joepie91:
17:56:16 <iceTwy> .title
17:56:20 <botpie91> iceTwy: icebin - encrypted pastebin
17:56:33 <iceTwy> :D:D
17:59:45 <joepie91> yay
18:00:35 <complex> how does that work? they are published but they are encrypted?
18:00:57 <IR601> nice domain ^_^
18:03:42 <joepie91> complex: clientside encryption
18:03:55 <joepie91> key is in the URL as the fragment (part after the #) so it's never sent to the server
18:05:04 <complex> oh, cool
18:05:16 <iceTwy> IR601: yeah haha
18:05:22 <iceTwy> I couldn't believe that domain was free
18:07:04 <IR601> win!
18:08:37 <joepie91> loggy, pointer?
18:08:37 <loggy>
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18:46:50 <vld> loggy, bj?
18:48:29 <zxcvbnm> loggy, just a quick handy plz?
18:49:10 <vld> loggy, come on
18:50:30 <vld> logggggyyyyyyyy
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18:56:25 <zxcvbnm> loggy so selfish
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19:05:03 <iceTwy> this is so weird
19:05:11 <iceTwy> ip6tables-restore fails every time
19:05:16 <iceTwy> no matter the configuration
19:05:24 <iceTwy> (used 2 supposedly valid example configurations, none worked)
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19:18:55 <pzuraq> heyo
19:21:54 <iceTwy> lol
19:22:02 <iceTwy> trying to send a ticket on RootNerds' support website:
19:22:39 <iceTwy> cc joepie91 ^
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19:23:24 <joepie91> ha
19:23:28 <joepie91> that's not supposed to happen :P
19:23:29 <joepie91> moment
19:23:42 <joepie91> also what desktop environment is that
19:24:16 <iceTwy> i3
19:24:22 <joepie91> wat
19:24:22 <iceTwy> it's not a DE
19:24:25 <iceTwy> it's a WM
19:25:26 <iceTwy> joepie91:
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19:29:25 <norbert79> joepie91: Read you, reviewed all, thanks for comments!
19:30:21 <joepie91> yw
19:30:27 <joepie91> :)
19:30:29 <joepie91> also hai pzuraq!
19:30:39 <pzuraq> hai joepie91 :3
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19:32:03 <norbert79> that's closed for now... Had too many IM's running
19:32:03 <iceTwy> btw joepie91
19:32:18 <iceTwy> I can't connect to with CloudFlare acceleration enabled
19:32:25 <iceTwy> which is extremely weird.
19:32:40 <iceTwy> .whois
19:32:42 <botpie91> The domain does not seem to exist.
19:32:47 <iceTwy> .whois
19:32:48 <botpie91> Domain, registered on 042013-06-19T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP, expires on 04unknown, nameservers are,, contact e-mails are,,
19:33:00 <iceTwy> .whois
19:33:01 <botpie91> The domain does not seem to exist.
19:34:34 <joepie91> it's cached
19:34:40 <joepie91>
19:34:42 <joepie91> also
19:34:46 <joepie91> .lookup
19:34:47 <botpie91> DNS records for
19:34:48 <botpie91> A:,
19:34:54 <complex> took this a couple of day ago when it was heavy fog:
19:35:13 <joepie91> iceTwy: not really sure what you mean with "connect to"
19:35:14 <joepie91> what protocol?
19:35:16 <complex> though the mobilecamera is very shitty, it still looks awesome
19:35:32 <iceTwy> joepie91: I simply can't access anymore
19:35:39 <joepie91> complex: that's a pretty nice picture
19:35:42 <joepie91> iceTwy: that doesn't answer my question
19:35:47 <joepie91> what protocol are you trying to use?
19:35:50 <iceTwy> HTTP
19:36:12 <joepie91> and you are certain that the records in the cloudflare panel are set correctly?
19:36:16 <iceTwy> yup
19:36:34 <iceTwy> is set as an A record
19:36:43 <joepie91> to what?
19:36:48 <iceTwy> to my VPS' IP
19:37:29 <Zoned> icetwy, xmpp?
19:38:07 <iceTwy> Zoned: yeah
19:38:11 <joepie91> iceTwy: have you set up a HTTPS-only setup on your VPS?
19:39:02 <iceTwy> nope. it's HTTP + HTTPS
19:39:10 <iceTwy> all HTTP requests are directed to HTTPS thanks to Nginx
19:39:21 <joepie91> iceTwy: then there's your problem
19:39:36 <iceTwy> why/how would that be a problem?
19:39:43 <joepie91> because cloudflare only offers SSL on their paid plan
19:39:51 <iceTwy> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
19:40:07 <joepie91> [of] have you tried resubmitting the ticket yet?
19:41:27 <Zoned> iceTwy, get on xmpp? I can't see you.
19:42:01 <iceTwy> Zoned: yeah, give DNS some time to update
19:42:06 <Zoned> xD k
19:43:48 <iceTwy> joepie91: then damn. I need a good CDN/DNS
19:55:53 <joepie91> cayce:
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21:56:15 <zxcvbnm> grr
21:56:28 <zxcvbnm> why don't python libraries work when i want them to
22:06:55 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: what libs?
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22:19:28 <zxcvbnm> joepie91: dpkt
22:19:46 <zxcvbnm> i think its user error. surprise surprise. but it doesn't specify how it reads pcap files
22:20:01 <zxcvbnm> and its trying to pull in binary data and parse out IP addresses out of that, which it obviously isn't going to be successful in doing
22:20:15 <zxcvbnm> I think it must be expecting some generic tcpdump pcap file
22:22:57 <zxcvbnm> example output:
22:24:27 <zxcvbnm> whereas this is what it *should* look like:
22:25:32 * joepie91 is not familiar with dpkt
22:25:59 <zxcvbnm> ya -- I went into the library code to see if I could figure out whats going on
22:26:09 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: format mismatch perhaps?
22:26:14 <zxcvbnm> yes, thats what I think
22:26:21 <joepie91> format version mismatch, specifically
22:26:26 <joepie91> might be a missing flag somewhere
22:26:31 <zxcvbnm> oh
22:26:44 <zxcvbnm> I think it is the way the file is written
22:26:55 <zxcvbnm> since i'm using wireshark, and I think dpkt is expecting something more simple like tcpdump
22:27:11 <joepie91> I don't think wireshark outputs standard pcap?
22:27:13 <joepie91> but I might be wrong
22:27:21 <zxcvbnm> I don't think it does either ( based on my output )
22:27:33 <zxcvbnm> fortunately i have network miner, so I can try that
22:28:52 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: could just do a quick tcpdump?
22:28:54 <joepie91> to see if that works
22:29:24 * zxcvbnm doesn't think Windows comes w/ tcpdump, natively
22:34:48 <zxcvbnm> o shit
22:34:49 <zxcvbnm> got it
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22:35:12 <zxcvbnm> I don't know what the settings are in Wireshark
22:35:16 <zxcvbnm> but on Network Miner
22:35:26 <zxcvbnm> you can either set it to "WinPcap" followed by your interface name
22:35:31 <zxcvbnm> or "Socket" followed by your interface
22:35:37 <zxcvbnm> I was using socket, and that was no bueno.
22:35:54 <zxcvbnm> So, for Windows, dpkt expects it in the format of "WinPcap" apparently
22:37:45 <zxcvbnm> Ok and in Wireshark, you need to go to capture options and uncheck "pcap-ng"
22:37:55 <zxcvbnm> this is just sort of self-documentation.
22:40:17 <zxcvbnm> and i'm out. peace
22:55:12 <joepie91> zxcvbnm: ttyl :)
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23:09:29 <Macbeth> Hai
23:09:38 <Zoned> ohai
23:12:11 <Macbeth> What's up
23:12:12 <Macbeth> ?
23:12:15 <Zoned> nothing
23:12:17 <Zoned> u?
23:12:24 <Macbeth> Banning some ppl in #opnewblood
23:12:26 <Macbeth> That's about it
23:12:41 <MK_FG> "I don't think wireshark outputs standard pcap" - it uses libpcap to dump stuff in pcap format (and I think that's default), so should be "standard" by all means
23:13:07 <Macbeth> Banning is an ordeal. I don't like typing out "<name>.users.cryto" everytime.
23:13:37 <Macbeth> And usually I ban ppl for having so much leet in their names, because it's hard to type if they are doing something annoying and need to be kicked or banned, so there's another thing.
23:14:19 <Macbeth> Then I have to /kick them, because /ban doesn't get them out, so I don't know if they can some back.
23:21:36 <Macbeth> Learning advanced CSS
23:30:16 <cayce> yeah, wireshark's pcap implementation is I think literally the defacto standard
23:33:04 * cayce sighs
23:33:08 <cayce> I wanna punch something
23:33:20 <cayce> I had only two pads for my glasses, and one fell off today
23:33:39 <cayce> I ordered new sets already, but I'm going to be continually pissed until they arrive
23:33:56 <MK_FG> I think libpcap is tcpdump spin-off though
23:33:59 <cayce> good thing I have no other tests this week so I can't sit down and just write "FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU" for 4 pages
23:34:18 <MK_FG> (or nmap?...)
23:34:21 <cayce> yeah, well iirc wireshark was ethercap was tcpdump or something
23:34:30 <MK_FG> No, tcpdump
23:34:37 <MK_FG> (not nmap)
23:34:42 <cayce> yes yes
23:34:47 <cayce> nothing to do with nmap
23:34:52 <MK_FG> etherel, btw
23:34:58 <MK_FG> *ethereal
23:35:01 <cayce> oh that was the name
23:35:05 <cayce> fuck yeah ethsomething
23:35:06 <cayce> lol
23:35:12 <MK_FG> There's separate thing "ettercap"
23:35:21 <Macbeth> "<cayce> good thing I have no other tests this week so I can't sit down and just write "FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU" for 4 pages" lulz
23:35:21 <cayce> oh o.o :P
23:35:56 <cayce> Macbeth:) yeah dude I hate this shit. the glasses are balanced on ONE PAD
23:35:58 <cayce> ONE FUCKING PAD
23:36:01 <cayce> WHY
23:36:05 <MK_FG> Also, was it really associated with tcpdump though...
23:36:15 * cayce doesn't think so >_>
23:36:22 <cayce> in spirit? :D
23:36:26 <Macbeth> cayce: You should just get contacts
23:36:31 <cayce> Macbeth:) no
23:36:51 <Macbeth> You like how you look in glasses, or you don't like the idea of having something in your eye?
23:37:06 <cayce> both
23:37:11 <cayce> also they dry out
23:37:12 <Macbeth> I would be too scared to put something in my eye, honestly
23:37:15 <cayce> and I ride miles every day
23:37:32 <cayce> they take maintenance too, and I'm not willing to maintain them
23:37:37 <Macbeth> Ever think of leser eye surgery?
23:37:44 <cayce> when I'm rich yes
23:37:50 <Macbeth> Ha!!
23:37:59 <Macbeth> (Ha is my obnixous laugh)
23:38:10 <cayce> or have 3grand to drop on "fixing" a body part that if they fuck up even the littlest bit I'm blind
23:38:10 <Macbeth> (Normal laugh is probably lol, or ha ha ha)
23:38:24 <Macbeth> I agree...
23:38:24 <cayce> which is to say no
23:38:29 <cayce> I will not get laser eye surgery
23:38:36 <Macbeth> I got what you mean
23:38:39 <cayce> I will wear glasses, and it will be wonderful
23:38:46 <cayce> someday, I will get new glasses
23:38:50 <Macbeth> My aunt got it, her eyes are 20/15
23:38:55 <Macbeth> That's better then 20/20
23:39:01 * cayce shrugs
23:39:11 <Macbeth> I havn't been to a checkup in like, 5 years
23:39:12 <cayce> I have enough problems processing information now, I don't need MORE
23:39:15 <Macbeth> I probably should go
23:39:22 <Macbeth> lulz
23:39:35 <cayce> it's what tires me in social situations
23:39:36 <cayce> :/
23:41:07 <Macbeth> If anyone knows of a way to view the source of a website remotely, that would be awesome
23:42:51 <cayce> wget?
23:43:10 <cayce> and uh
23:43:11 <cayce> cat
23:44:06 <joepie91> curl!
23:44:29 <Macbeth> I'm trying to get into a webpage that has a username and password req before it will load
23:44:38 <Macbeth> I can't view the source, because it won't load for me
23:44:41 <cayce> I don't understand
23:44:58 <joepie91> <MK_FG>There's separate thing "ettercap"
23:45:00 <joepie91> ethercap?
23:45:02 <cayce> is it a browser prompt or in-page
23:45:11 <Macbeth> I want to view a webpage that gives a popup that asks for a username and password before loading
23:45:15 <cayce> if it's a browser prompt that's an http header and there's no source to view
23:45:18 <joepie91> cayce, did you catch my xmppoke link?
23:45:20 <Macbeth> I know
23:45:28 <cayce> joepie91:) yes haven't looked yet
23:45:57 <MK_FG> joepie91,
23:45:57 <cayce> Macbeth:) again, no source to view if it's a browser thing. It will not give you the page until you auth.
23:46:06 <MK_FG> ...or
23:46:13 <joepie91> MK_FG: ah
23:46:17 <MK_FG> I think it's clearly D&D reference ;)
23:46:18 <cayce> NEW CHROME YES
23:46:31 * cayce installs and turns on simplecache
23:46:47 <cayce>
23:46:52 <cayce> SO HOT (also simple lulz)
23:47:05 <Macbeth> FUCK CHROME NO
23:47:10 <cayce> Proposed is a new backend for the disk cache, conforming to the interface in Disk Cache. The new backend is purposefully very simple, using one file per cache entry, plus an index file. This backend will be useful as a testing baseline, as well as dealing with IO bottlenecks impairing mobile browsing performance on some platforms.
23:47:18 <Macbeth> pft
23:47:24 <cayce> so excite
23:47:26 <Macbeth> pft
23:47:34 <Macbeth> Don't use Google Products
23:47:41 <Macbeth> First, their customer service is shit
23:47:41 <cayce> I do, I use them all
23:47:43 <Macbeth> First, their customer service is shit
23:47:51 <cayce> I don't want their customer service, it's free
23:47:54 <Macbeth> Second, I don't like their tracking
23:47:56 <cayce> I am the product
23:47:58 <cayce> bite me
23:48:04 <Macbeth> I don't like the tracking
23:48:09 <cayce> I do
23:48:10 * joepie91 sighs
23:48:29 <cayce> It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that at the end of the day, at least an algorithm gives a shit about me
23:48:41 <Macbeth> It doesn't
23:48:45 <Macbeth> Mozilla
23:48:49 <cayce> (and 4.7bn other people)
23:48:53 <cayce> makes a shitty browser, yes!
23:49:02 <joepie91> Macbeth: it's silly to loudly complain about that one company named Google and have a trigger reflex of "EW NO GOOGLE" when most likely 99% of the companies involved in your daily browsing try to do the exact same thing - tracking you
23:49:15 <cayce> tell them to implement >tls1.0 and they will be a markedly less shitty browser!
23:49:31 <joepie91> Macbeth: you're running win7
23:49:46 <joepie91> have you considered that Microsoft is also trying to collect as much data as possible on you?
23:49:48 <cayce> more like microspy spyos
23:50:04 * cayce giggles at how absolutely trashy that was
23:50:40 <cayce> NP: [Alexandra Stan - Mr. Saxobeat] [Saxobeats] [1141kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
23:51:45 <MK_FG> Kinect is teh new Big Brutha
23:51:53 <cayce> dude have you seen the xbox1?
23:52:02 <cayce> it has a high def mic and real hd camera
23:52:15 <cayce> it's like combination of ultra creepy and AMAZING IN-HOME A/V GEAR
23:52:38 <MK_FG> Nah, you can just put a cardboard over it if that creeps you out
23:52:47 <cayce> well yeah
23:52:53 <cayce> but the mic always listens for XBOX ON
23:52:55 <cayce> :>
23:53:01 <cayce> or whatever the trigger is
23:53:04 <MK_FG> Gum then
23:53:05 <cayce> which is both awesome and creepy
23:53:06 <cayce> lol
23:53:24 <cayce> I'm waiting for the old hacking tools to come back around again
23:53:42 <cayce> so I say "HOUSE ON" and my house says "welcome to your virtual command interface"
23:53:58 <MK_FG> SKYNET, ARISE!!!
23:54:17 <cayce> I don't want a properly interactive one yet, I want a good week of my house greeting me when I walk in the door
23:54:19 <cayce> until I tire of it
23:55:01 <cayce> wait skynet
23:55:02 <cayce> sec
23:55:17 <cayce> yeah there it is
23:55:18 <cayce> MK_FG:)
23:55:51 <MK_FG> Heh
23:56:06 <MK_FG> Kinda acronym for "Skype Network" too
23:58:27 <cayce> :>