Cryto! 13 October 2013
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01:22:40 <DrWhat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjB_oVeq8Lo
01:22:41 <DrWhat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjB_oVeq8Lo
01:22:41 <DrWhat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjB_oVeq8Lo
01:22:41 <DrWhat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjB_oVeq8Lo
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01:38:23 <IFailStuff> WHERE ARE YOU
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05:33:38 <macbeth> Hello
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07:15:39 <GHOSTnew> hi all o/
07:16:09 <macbeth> ohai
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12:50:50 <Zoned> hai
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13:31:51 <botpie91> 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Update s.json -- fixing repo path for SelectorPut the wrong path in repo path under releases. Fixing that now.', '02Merge pull request #2141 from tomdickin/masterUpdate s.json -- fixing repo path for Selector' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/b3c9a8c992...9342b23ffb)
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13:55:15 <iceTwy> .gh start
13:55:20 <iceTwy> .github
13:55:21 <iceTwy> .gh
13:55:23 <iceTwy> .gh help
13:55:26 <iceTwy> derp
14:00:07 <Zoned> lol
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14:05:06 <joepie91> iceTwy!
14:05:08 <joepie91> XMPP!
14:05:09 <joepie91> !!!!!
14:06:28 <iceTwy> yes
14:06:30 <iceTwy> yes
14:06:32 <iceTwy> sec
14:07:01 <joepie91> :P
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14:14:28 <iuyiuy> yes hello
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14:17:16 <DrWhat> Dwaan
14:17:22 <Dwaan> DrWhat
14:17:38 <DrWhat> Dwaan
14:17:48 <Dwaan> DrWhat
14:17:56 <DrWhat> Dwaan
14:18:38 <Dwaan> DrWhat
14:18:49 <DrWhat> Dwaan
14:19:19 <Dwaan> what do you want m8
14:20:22 <DrWhat> Your D
14:20:37 <Dwaan> anytime bb
14:20:38 <DrWhat> I hear your an expert in the 1 inch department
14:21:10 <Dwaan> yes
14:21:42 <DrWhat> sweet
14:22:09 <DrWhat> Ok, come here, Ill sharpen my knife, And i can finaly round off to an even number (12)
14:22:38 <Dwaan> lol
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14:23:30 <DrWhat> mama
14:23:35 <DrWhat> :D
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14:24:00 <DrWhat> I see tow is backonline then
14:24:08 <Dwaan> joepie91
14:24:13 <DrWhat> joepie91
14:24:20 <DrWhat> Fix your damn internernet
14:24:29 <DrWhat> Im sorry :)
14:24:34 <DrWhat> I know your story :)
14:24:44 * DrWhat pets joepie91
14:24:51 * DrWhat slaps Dwaan around a bit with a large Anac ø nÐa
14:24:59 <mama> what DrWhat ?
14:25:13 <DrWhat> Im still here
14:25:55 <Dwaan> lol
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14:29:20 <joepie91> fuck my ISP
14:29:21 <joepie91> fuck it so much
14:29:21 <joepie91> asdasdfggasdf
14:29:25 <Dwaan> joepie91
14:29:30 <Dwaan> maybe
14:29:31 <joepie91> Dwaan: hai.
14:29:35 <Dwaan> stop dumpster diving
14:29:39 <Dwaan> get a house and real internet
14:29:40 <Dwaan> ???
14:29:42 <Dwaan> profit
14:29:58 <joepie91> Dwaan, you might be in the wrong channel if you just want to mess around
14:30:22 <joepie91> and how the fuck do I set openvpn keepalive in networkmanager
14:30:23 <joepie91> asdfasdfasdfasdf
14:30:24 <Dwaan> oh god
14:30:39 <Dwaan> i make a simple statement
14:30:49 <Dwaan> YOU MIGHT BE IN THE WRONG CHANNEL
14:30:51 <Dwaan> its the truth but
14:30:54 <Dwaan> i am here to chat
14:31:05 <Dwaan> also im p sure you can just put 'keepalive' in the openvpn.conf
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14:31:35 <joepie91> Dwaan: I strongly suspect that networkmanager overrides any default config
14:32:06 <Dwaan> true
14:32:19 <Dwaan> why not just connect to the vpn from the terminal then
14:33:00 <joepie91> because then probably other shit in networkmanager breaks
14:33:08 <Dwaan> lol
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14:46:32 <joepie91> great
14:46:32 <joepie91> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/280160
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15:27:16 <joepie91> well
15:27:20 <joepie91> now we wait for reconnect
15:27:24 <joepie91> and then we know how well the patch works
15:29:48 <DrWhat> joepie91 I mite disapear again soon
15:31:29 <joepie91> DrWhat: how so?
15:31:47 <DrWhat> Just mire
15:31:54 <joepie91> ?
15:31:57 <DrWhat> mte*
15:32:34 <joepie91> (unrelated, it's incredible how many idiots are speculating completely idiotic stuff on the - sourced! - slashdot post about silk road)
15:32:56 <joepie91> DrWhat: well yes, but why
15:33:13 <DrWhat> undocumented reasons
15:33:54 <joepie91> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/02/167220/silk-road-shut-down-founder-arrested-36-million-worth-of-bitcoin-seized?sdsrc=popbyskid
15:34:23 <DrWhat> is that was 27,000 Bitcoin is worth?
15:34:26 <DrWhat> 37 million
15:34:59 <DrWhat> they are wrong
15:35:03 <DrWhat> is 3.4 million
15:35:27 <joepie91> DrWhat: there are large amounts of "wrong" in that thread
15:35:42 <joepie91> I think you'd be done quicker if you were asked to point out the sensible statements
15:35:55 <DrWhat> Im not reading it
15:35:59 <DrWhat> Just off the title
15:36:00 <DrWhat> :P
15:36:54 <DrWhat> joepie91, take that url, remove 0http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/02/167220/ and remove 0sdsrc=popbyskid and you have the real title :P
15:37:08 <joepie91> ah, right
15:37:12 <DrWhat> get it
15:37:20 <joepie91> yeah, I usually ignore URL
15:37:21 <joepie91> :p
15:37:35 <DrWhat> no do you GET IT!
15:38:21 * DrWhat facepalms
15:38:24 <DrWhat> He doesnt get iot
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17:32:03 <cayce> morning joepie91 :)
17:32:29 <joepie91> cayce: morning
17:32:40 * joepie91 is stuck on a UX problem
17:32:48 <cayce> It's interesting watching this shit rage back and forth on twitter about the girl
17:32:55 <joepie91> wat?
17:33:00 <cayce> cause now it's turned into "there needs to be less alcohol at cons"
17:33:10 <cayce> and that is NOT going to happen
17:33:17 <joepie91> I've been pretty much disconnected from the rest of the interest for the past 36 hours or so
17:33:20 <joepie91> s/interest/internet/
17:33:21 <joepie91> context?
17:33:30 <cayce> my twitter feed, shared an article yesterday
17:33:41 <cayce> iceTwy and I talked about it too
17:33:46 <cayce> (in here)
17:33:47 <iceTwy> oh that
17:33:52 <iceTwy> yeah
17:33:58 <cayce> yeah, it's down to "less booze"
17:34:03 <cayce> which is SO not gonna happen
17:35:02 <cayce> booze and the talks are two equal draws to the cons... take one away...
17:35:24 <cayce> that and I think half of infosec is solidly alcoholic lol
17:35:35 <cayce> (I think half is charitable)
17:35:47 <joepie91> cayce: having trouble locating exact context
17:35:49 <joepie91> link?
17:36:37 <cayce> .tw https://twitter.com/Aranjedeath/status/389076593034809344
17:36:38 <botpie91> This is enraging. Like, fist through wall. http://b.explodie.org/167zDZG by @SaltineJustine (@Aranjedeath)
17:36:53 * joepie91 click
17:36:58 <joepie91> also, URL shorteners are evil
17:37:10 * cayce shrugs
17:37:15 * cayce grins
17:37:28 <cayce> tweetdeck does it for me :P
17:37:41 <joepie91> doesn't make it less evil...
17:37:51 <joepie91> .tw https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/389387359810113537
17:37:52 <botpie91> And THIS is why URL shorteners are a fucking awful idea; bre.ad deleting all URLs in 30 days after acquired by Yahoo. http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/yahoo-acquires-ad-service-url-shortner-bread-113101300257_1.html (@joepie91)
17:38:09 <cayce> I did paste that into #archiveteam-bs
17:38:15 <cayce> their shutdown notice
17:39:26 <joepie91> I know
17:39:29 <joepie91> was just providing context
17:39:29 <joepie91> :P
17:39:46 <cayce> I'm still not even sure what yahoo bought there
17:39:52 <cayce> I mean other than a bunch of broken links
17:40:08 <cayce> maybe that's the idea after all? buy things that break the largest number of links?
17:40:28 <joepie91> cayce: that, or talent acquisition
17:40:33 <joepie91> or however it's officially called
17:40:39 <cayce> I mean yeah, that's what bread was
17:40:41 <cayce> but still
17:40:46 <cayce> everything they buy is dead links
17:40:59 <joepie91> "hey we see that you guys have a few devs that are good at X and it's going to be hard to convince them to leave you... so we just buy your entire company"
17:41:06 <cayce> acuihire *
17:41:09 <joepie91> it's not uncommon
17:41:15 <joepie91> I guess
17:41:18 <cayce> acquihire
17:41:19 <cayce> there we go
17:41:25 <joepie91> but doesn't acquihire normally apply to lead devs/managers/etc.?
17:41:29 <joepie91> rather than rest of staff
17:41:42 <cayce> if the price is low enough probably doesn't matter
17:41:53 <cayce> get rid of the rest of the staff you don't need with nice parachutes over the next year?
17:42:22 <cayce> If it allows you to dig directly into a market or problem you think will make a bunch of money, it's nothing to do that
17:42:36 <joepie91> aware
17:43:22 <cayce> cuter side of the internet: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/10/tofu-a-twitter-account-after-ones-own-tweets.html
17:43:36 <cayce> (as a counterbalance)
17:45:24 <cayce> this article reminds me of how excited I am that google is trying to ditch "seo" people
17:45:51 <cayce> I'd paste the article but it's not that good
17:45:52 <cayce> lol
17:48:25 <joepie91> TigerText...
17:48:30 <joepie91> didn't they have a giant vuln a while ago
17:48:38 <cayce> dunno who are they
17:48:43 <cayce> I've seen that name today
17:48:49 <joepie91> from the article you linked
17:48:54 <iceTwy> btw, joepie91
17:48:56 <cayce> oh
17:49:00 <joepie91> I vaguely recognize them as being in a "something about them is crap" mental list
17:49:01 <joepie91> :P
17:49:02 <cayce> hmm
17:49:03 <iceTwy> I've just noticed you've over 3k followers on Twitter
17:49:04 <iceTwy> ;p
17:49:08 <cayce> :)
17:49:08 <joepie91> iceTwy: mm?
17:49:18 <cayce> yes yes twitter loves joepie longtime
17:49:23 <iceTwy> yeah, most def
17:49:47 <cayce> I've been slowly acquiring followers over the year, but I've never done anything important
17:49:53 <cayce> so, no rash of 'em
17:51:00 <joepie91> iceTwy: probably mostly inactive accounts that followed me as a result of the whole lulzsec misinfo thing two years (?) ago
17:51:01 <joepie91> lol
17:51:18 <iceTwy> oh
17:51:21 <iceTwy> yeah
17:51:24 <iceTwy> BUT STILL
17:51:26 <iceTwy> :p
17:51:33 <joepie91> there's a bunch of active followers indeed
17:52:17 <cayce> yap
17:52:25 <cayce> man
17:52:31 <cayce> french press coffee is so delicious
17:52:34 <cayce> awh
17:52:41 <cayce> "tweetdeck has crashed"
17:52:57 <cayce> looks like I oom'd again, linux shot like 30 tabs down
17:52:58 <cayce> lulz
17:53:02 <iceTwy> HAHAHAHAHA
17:53:04 <iceTwy> HAH
17:53:09 <iceTwy> Go to internet.bs
17:53:14 <cayce> this is why I love a non-gimp'd kernel
17:53:15 <iceTwy> Take a look at the price of .us domains
17:53:31 <cayce> ooh
17:53:34 <cayce> that's cheap enough I'd buy one
17:53:43 <iceTwy> rofl
17:54:09 <joepie91> lol
17:54:36 <iceTwy> don't count on me to ever, ever buy .us domains though
17:54:45 <iceTwy> I'd rather give out my VPS and my passwords
17:54:45 <iceTwy> and my SSH keys
17:54:57 <cayce> YAY
17:55:00 <cayce> CHATTING WITH QUINN
17:55:02 * cayce bounces
17:55:08 <iceTwy> erm
17:55:10 <iceTwy> quinn?
17:55:17 <cayce> @quinnnorton
17:55:18 <iceTwy> I have a vague feeling that
17:55:27 <cayce> favorite reporter, former girlfriend to aaronsq
17:55:31 <cayce> -q+w
17:56:05 <iceTwy> ah
17:56:26 <cayce> she's a very nice lady (though prickly at times I recall)
17:56:37 <joepie91> quinn is awesme person
17:56:40 <joepie91> awesome, even
17:56:47 <iceTwy> cayce: her? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_Norton
17:57:09 <iceTwy> OH RIGHTTTTTTTTTt
17:57:12 <iceTwy> I do remember
17:57:41 <cayce> yes her
17:57:58 <cayce> I was crying for her when aaronsw died, not him
17:59:12 <joepie91> need suggestions
17:59:12 <joepie91> http://owely.com/713OvfN
17:59:22 <joepie91> want to have some kind of way to add properties
17:59:28 <joepie91> UX-wise
17:59:30 <joepie91> how do?
17:59:36 <joepie91> modal popup is bad
17:59:46 <joepie91> not really enough space inside window
17:59:58 <joepie91> popping up another window would make the relationship between the two windows non-obvious
18:00:00 <cayce> oh, that's just what I was going to say
18:00:17 <joepie91> side note: form must not only contain name and value
18:00:20 <joepie91> but also source and reliability
18:00:25 <joepie91> and optionally 'property type'
18:00:31 <cayce> I know nothing about ux so I'd put an add property button right next to the properties and then expand the window to fit an edit thing
18:00:43 <joepie91> expand to where?
18:00:48 <joepie91> like, in what direction
18:00:52 <cayce> down
18:00:57 <cayce> (if needed
18:00:58 <cayce> )
18:01:10 <cayce> I dunno how big your property editor needs
18:01:13 <cayce> lol, grammar
18:01:17 <joepie91> lol
18:01:24 <joepie91> four or five fields per entry
18:01:34 <joepie91> just allow adding one entry at a time?
18:01:37 <joepie91> and clear out form fields for reuse?
18:02:33 <cayce> If you fit a small "don't clear boxes when adding" checkbox, it could be used repeatedly
18:02:44 <joepie91> how do you mean?
18:02:49 <cayce> ditto on actual mass adding though
18:02:59 <cayce> like you've got your fields filled, and you're about to submit
18:03:04 <cayce> "ad"
18:03:07 <cayce> add even
18:03:23 <cayce> but that normally would destroy the fields and remove them from the window
18:03:39 <cayce> (and show the new property )
18:03:45 <joepie91> ah, so "remove form from view" vs "clear out form"
18:03:51 <joepie91> ?
18:03:52 <cayce> but if there's a box right there to not clear the boxes and destroy the entries
18:03:59 <cayce> kinda yeah
18:04:09 <cayce> I'm suggesting not even clearing the form, but yours sounds more logical
18:05:03 <joepie91> cayce: thanks, your ideas were quite helpful :P
18:05:06 <joepie91> I think I know how to go about this
18:05:40 <cayce> yeah even if I'm wrong, it lets you think about it
18:05:46 <cayce> I dunno shit about ux but I can spew words
18:05:47 <cayce> :D
18:06:04 <cayce> design isn't something I've studied yet
18:06:07 <cayce> gimme 10 years tho
18:06:26 <joepie91> words!
18:06:27 <joepie91> :P
18:06:42 <joepie91> and well, I haven't really studied UX/design either
18:06:51 <joepie91> I just apply psychology plus seeing people using shit in practice
18:06:58 <joepie91> plus self-analysis
18:07:01 <cayce> yeah
18:07:05 <joepie91> as in, "okay what about this annoyed me?"
18:07:14 <cayce> I'd try to find really good examples before "shit used in practice"
18:07:21 <cayce> because most stuff in practice is exactly that, shit
18:08:52 <cayce> ugh man
18:09:06 <cayce> web is unusable without adblock, noscript, and requestpolicy
18:09:09 <cayce> this is so bad
18:09:18 <joepie91> ads? those still exist? :P
18:09:20 <cayce> and I still didn't like ff with all that shit, but the web worked reasonable
18:09:29 <cayce> I don't ordinarily use ad blockers
18:09:35 <cayce> never have
18:09:43 <joepie91> but yeah, I avoid "X and Y do this" because X and Y usually don't have the foggiest what they're doing either
18:09:51 <cayce> it used to be the overhead of adblockers was higher than the ads being blocked
18:09:56 <cayce> that has now reversed I think
18:10:02 <joepie91> heh
18:10:24 <cayce> joepie91:) at some point when my boss gets some up to date pro level shit out there, I'll link you so you can look
18:10:37 <cayce> to say she's good is an understatement
18:11:13 <cayce> (she's close, actually. couple jobs right now iirc)
18:11:39 <joepie91> I see
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18:14:08 <cayce> man, so much money http://mattermark.com/
18:14:14 <cayce> $499/month per seat
18:14:22 <cayce> and that's the cheapest plan!
18:14:41 <joepie91> cayce: haven't even gotten past the yellow line and I already hate that
18:14:48 <cayce> hahaha
18:14:50 <cayce> yep
18:15:17 * joepie91 nope.avi's out
18:16:00 <cayce> also this is interesting: https://about.twitter.com/alerts/participating-organizations
18:16:10 <cayce> twitter... alerts?
18:16:12 <cayce> >_>
18:16:22 <cayce> problem is they're all too broad
18:16:27 <cayce> I don't want alerts for texas
18:17:09 <cayce> and blm? why do they have alerts
18:17:19 <cayce> "man in socal is shooting at idiots again"
18:17:24 <cayce> "please keep clear"
18:17:41 <cayce> but really <3 blm
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18:23:21 <cayce> not sure how I feel about emergency alerts from the dept homeland security
18:24:33 <cayce> haha win
18:24:46 <cayce> twitter has a symbol on tweets not in my language which it can automatically translate
18:24:48 <cayce> epoch
18:27:26 * cayce sits and follows 150 twitters
18:32:55 <iceTwy> cayce: you should never have shown me your NP script
18:33:15 <cayce> oh?
18:33:16 <cayce> why
18:33:16 <cayce> :D
18:33:33 <cayce> NP: [Coeur De Pirate - Comme Des Enfants] [Coeur De Pirate] [830kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
18:33:51 <iceTwy> well
18:34:07 <iceTwy> because I've made one for HexChat
18:34:18 <iceTwy> and I'm nearly done writing this one for WeeChat
18:34:24 <iceTwy> (it already works, I'm adding all the extra stuff)
18:34:28 <iceTwy> NP: Of Reality - Eclipse by TesseracT - from Altered State (Instrumental) (2013)
18:34:28 <cayce> :>
18:34:37 <iceTwy> at least you gave me a nice idea
18:34:38 <cayce> I use mine in hexchat now
18:34:41 <cayce> dropped right in
18:34:41 <iceTwy> heh
18:34:47 <iceTwy> https://github.com/iceTwy/hexchat
18:34:51 <iceTwy> erm
18:34:55 <iceTwy> https://github.com/iceTwy/xchat-deadbeef
18:35:17 <iceTwy> one day I'll rewrite it and use hook_process's
18:35:18 <cayce> n.n
18:35:20 <iceTwy> instead of subprocess
18:35:56 <iceTwy> the modules for the WeeChat NP script include nothing else than WeeChat's own module
18:36:04 <iceTwy> (i.e. import weechat, and that's it)
18:38:27 <iceTwy> lol
18:38:29 <iceTwy> erm
18:40:00 <cayce> I keep thinking weechat is chinese
18:40:12 <iceTwy> "SHING SHONG WEEEE CHAT TOGEDAR"
18:40:26 <iceTwy> well, no. as a matter of fact, WeeChat is French
18:40:35 <iceTwy> FlashCode, the main dev/founder, is French
18:40:40 <cayce> hmm
18:40:53 <iceTwy> so I'm glad I'm using WeeChat, too
18:40:55 <iceTwy> ;p
18:45:22 <cayce> this is still so good http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/derbycon3/2202-the-cavalry-is-us-protecting-the-public-good-and-our-profession-josh-corman
18:45:28 <cayce> (1hr video)
18:47:46 <cayce> fuck http://qz.com/134630/cyclone-phailin-is-set-to-become-the-strongest-india-has-ever-seen/
18:47:59 <cayce> (yesterday india had evacuated 500k people)
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19:01:39 <cayce> well it's nice that the average size of fonts have increased on the web in the last few years
19:01:54 <cayce> doesn't excuse bullshit like this, where less than 1/3 of my screen is actually the article, though
19:01:58 <cayce> http://www.businessinsider.com/coinx-bitcoin-exchange-2013-10
19:02:00 <cayce> .title
19:02:02 <botpie91> cayce: CoinX Bitcoin Exchange - Business Insider
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19:08:48 <AnonO_o> hai
19:09:01 <GHOSTnew> Anyone know how to communicate Thread in ruby?
19:11:29 <Zoned> gotta setup ANOTHER irc server
19:12:43 <cayce> yay?
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19:14:46 <Zoned> i suppose
19:14:55 <Zoned> i cant believe this server costed me $72
19:14:57 <Zoned> in romania
19:16:02 <cayce> expensive for romania?
19:18:28 <Zoned> yea
19:22:34 <cayce> joepie91:) am I wrong in thinking purecss's responsive menu isn't any different than mine? http://purecss.io/menus/#horizontal-menu vs https://explodie.org/
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19:22:52 <cayce> in fact I think mine performs just a hair better
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19:23:12 <cayce> loggy, pointer?
19:23:12 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-10-13#T19-23-12
19:23:17 <cayce> joepie91:) ^ :)
19:24:56 <cayce> I need to make my buttons a hair more robust at small sizes, but they collapse just how they should
19:29:53 <joepie91> cayce: idk
19:30:01 <joepie91> I'd imagine the Pure one is full of browser-quirk-support
19:30:33 <cayce> I don't need that since mostly IE users can't even access my site due to lack of cipher support
19:31:03 <cayce> (new IE can, but I'm not worried about them. New IE displays reasonably.)
19:31:28 <cayce> I'm looking at side-by-side functionality, not backwards compat
19:31:48 <cayce> though I also don't need multilayer menus or whatever like theirs does
19:31:59 <cayce> though it might be a nice exercise to steal their code and remove all the bullshit
19:35:32 <cayce> .tw https://twitter.com/Aranjedeath/status/389474429194862592
19:35:32 <botpie91> How much of the market are you willing to throw under the bus so you don't have to deal with old browser issues? #webdev #webdesign #code (@Aranjedeath)
19:40:02 <MK_FG> I'm fairly sure webkit fanbois and corp backers will make sure you won't have to deal with that in the near future ;)
19:40:59 <cayce> well even hsl, which is something few have heard about, only throws 15% of the market under the bus to use
19:41:17 <cayce> that seems like a high number, but not really
19:41:25 <cayce> since it's basically IE<=8
19:41:49 <MK_FG> I'd think it just doesn't target "office drones" market ;)
19:41:59 <MK_FG> That's where ie6 lurks
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19:43:10 <MK_FG> Heh, it'd actually make sense to build nsfw site deliberately ie6-incompatible
19:43:15 <cayce> well I wish office drones would at least run ie8
19:43:26 <cayce> hahaha yeah
19:43:28 <MK_FG> Not up to them ;)
19:43:32 <cayce> I know :|
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19:53:41 <cayce> I love when people write "basic responsive menus for mobile" which require you to hover a mouse to activate the menu
19:53:58 <cayce> yes, because "hover" is a great design pattern for mobile
19:54:00 <cayce> fucking idiots
19:54:06 <joepie91> but but... hover!
19:54:12 <MK_FG> Even desktop users haet hover
19:54:28 <joepie91> cayce: you know what has to die?
19:54:37 <joepie91> hover menus that have a delay between hover and display
19:54:42 <joepie91> YES WORDPRESS, LOOKING AT YOU
19:55:29 <joepie91> that wordpress.com top bar has to die
19:55:32 <joepie91> seriously
19:55:33 <cayce> hahaha
19:56:01 <joepie91> it has a delay that's *just* long enough to subconsciously decide "okay this is not going to show me a menu, *click*"
19:56:04 <joepie91> repeatedly
19:56:08 * joepie91 flips tables
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20:23:25 <AnonO_o> it knows which menu item you wanted to select... the first one. always
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21:23:23 <joepie91> MK_FG: is your tahoe node still running?
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21:25:20 <Raging> Hey Joepie91
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21:28:57 <iceTwy> tell me
21:28:59 <iceTwy> does this work
21:29:06 <iceTwy> or does it return random color codes
21:29:07 * iceTwy NP: F05Cemetery GatesF00 by F05PanteraF00 - from F09Cowboys From HellF00 (1990)
21:29:28 <iceTwy> cc joepie91 ^
21:29:31 <cayce> I see boxes
21:29:39 <iceTwy> hmm?
21:29:50 <cayce> boxes not colors
21:29:53 <iceTwy> yeah
21:29:59 <iceTwy> it shouldn't return colors, nor boxes
21:30:05 <iceTwy> that's a WeeChat bug then
21:30:07 <cayce> but the colors are indicated
21:30:09 <iceTwy> yeah
21:30:14 <cayce> box F05
21:30:20 <cayce> box F00
21:30:21 <cayce> etc
21:30:25 <iceTwy> what about
21:30:26 <iceTwy> sec
21:30:33 <cayce> just like ctrl+k in mirc
21:30:39 <cayce> except hexchat understands those
21:30:48 <iceTwy> NP: F05Cemetery GatesF00 by F05PanteraF00 - from F09Cowboys From HellF00 (1990)
21:30:50 <iceTwy> here
21:30:52 <iceTwy> do you see em?
21:32:07 <iceTwy> cayce: ^
21:32:41 <cayce> no, still boxes
21:32:46 <iceTwy> wtf
21:32:48 <iceTwy> seriously
21:32:49 <cayce> 7hi
21:32:56 <cayce> it's a different code
21:33:01 <iceTwy> no but
21:33:08 <iceTwy> it's /not/ supposed to send color codes at all
21:33:12 <cayce> your boxes say 0019 in them, mine say 0003
21:33:24 <iceTwy> yeah
21:35:32 <joepie91> iceTwy: http://owely.com/413Hgja
21:35:37 <joepie91> Raging: hai
21:36:00 <iceTwy> aye, I see, thanks
21:36:17 <iceTwy> one of the main weechat devs is also telling me it's not supposed to return color codes
21:36:19 <iceTwy> so yeah
21:38:16 <MK_FG> joepie91, It should be running, yeah
21:38:20 <iceTwy> .org domains are so fucking expensive
21:38:22 <iceTwy> it's outrageous
21:38:28 <joepie91> MK_FG: could you restart it? :P
21:38:31 <joepie91> iceTwy: huh?
21:38:36 <cayce> 15.50
21:38:37 <MK_FG> joepie91, Apparently it's connected now ;)
21:38:42 <iceTwy> joepie91: internet.bs
21:38:57 <joepie91> iceTwy: that's a pretty normal price for a domain nowadays?
21:39:01 <iceTwy> hell no
21:39:07 <cayce> 9.20 is cheap
21:39:08 <joepie91> yes
21:39:10 <joepie91> ICANN raised fees
21:39:11 <joepie91> like hell
21:39:17 <joepie91> cayce: that's reseller price
21:39:20 <cayce> they raise them 7% every year
21:39:21 <iceTwy> well. bad bad ICANN :/
21:39:21 <joepie91> one-off price is 10.30
21:39:22 <cayce> cause they can
21:39:32 <iceTwy> 7% every year?!?
21:39:35 <cayce> it's in their contract that they can, so they do
21:39:35 <cayce> yes
21:39:37 <iceTwy> wtf is the ICANN on about
21:39:40 <cayce> money
21:39:42 <cayce> duh
21:39:51 <iceTwy> .onion forevaaaaaaa
21:39:51 <cayce> why do you think there are so many gtlds?
21:39:53 <iceTwy> /me q
21:39:58 <MK_FG> cayce, Didn't you hear? There's an ongoing domain shortage!
21:40:05 <cayce> lol
21:40:12 <MK_FG> There, totally justified!
21:40:16 <joepie91> lol
21:40:28 <cayce> at 200k per gtld, no
21:40:28 <cayce> plus the fees
21:40:30 <cayce> ugh
21:41:00 <cayce> anyway, 9.20's good. I pay 15.50
21:41:39 <MK_FG> In just last week I've seen two new dns alternatives, hopefully these will be useful
21:41:56 <cayce> dns alternatives?
21:42:08 <cayce> agh fuck, new icann pricing to 16.05 per year
21:42:17 <cayce> I really should buckle down and buy it for more than 1 year at a time
21:42:48 <MK_FG> Yeah, djdns got somewhat working I think and there's rainflydns from cjd of cjdns
21:43:02 <cayce> dunno what those are
21:43:19 <cayce> cept cjdns is some darknet bullshit that required quagga to get into
21:43:21 <cayce> I think
21:43:31 <MK_FG> Heheh, nope
21:43:54 <MK_FG> But nevermind them, both still have some way to go
21:44:22 <cayce> that isn't the one where you had to set up and maintain a bgp peering?
21:44:35 <MK_FG> Nope
21:44:39 <cayce> (and vpn terminator)
21:44:43 <cayce> hmm
21:45:08 <MK_FG> Nah, you just do cjdroute --genconf >conf && cjdroute <conf
21:45:46 <MK_FG> Well, also need to enable eth-peering or add any udp peer there, if you want actual network
21:45:57 <MK_FG> (and not just isolated node)
21:45:58 <cayce> ahhh dn42
21:46:02 <cayce> https://dn42.net/Home
21:46:07 <cayce> that's what I was thinking of
21:46:38 <MK_FG> Yeah, I think I've seen that one
21:47:20 <MK_FG> Kinda same idea, but a mess due to bgp, vpns and such, plus building same kind of net on top
21:47:30 <MK_FG> cjdns offers moar \o/
21:47:31 <cayce> yeah
21:47:34 <cayce> ahh
21:47:50 <cayce> does cjdns poke holes in my router if needed?
21:48:07 <cayce> cause I cba, but it's got upnp (aka satan)
21:48:49 <MK_FG> Don't think so, but you don't really need incoming udp port, just peer to someone who has one open/forwarded
21:49:20 <cayce> and do I need ipv6 net support
21:49:24 <MK_FG> There might be some generic upnp wrapper thingie though, never had to use it myself
21:49:28 <cayce> I mean linux does it ofc, but my isp not so much
21:49:54 <MK_FG> No, it uses private fc00:/8 ipv6 range for its addresses
21:50:08 <MK_FG> Need support in kernel, but not from isps an such
21:50:40 <cayce> oh shit, it's actively tested on illumos
21:50:44 <cayce> win
21:50:54 <MK_FG> Hahah
21:51:08 <MK_FG> Probably someone keeps buildbot there
21:51:45 <cayce> a friend is about to fill a rack or two with openindiana boxes
21:52:01 <cayce> gonna make some huge nas or some shit
21:54:07 <MK_FG> zfs zfs zfs
21:54:50 <MK_FG> Seen some people comment on it being useful on linux these days
21:55:23 <MK_FG> With less kernel panics and all ;)
21:56:03 <iceTwy> I do want to try a fancy filesystem on one HDD, some day
21:56:50 <MK_FG> You can probably be safe with btrfs these days
21:57:16 <MK_FG> It's been years since it was raw, probably don't have visible bugs at this point
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21:57:47 <MK_FG> (if you're not using some old debian, of course)
21:58:43 <cayce> yeah
21:58:51 <cayce> btrfs is mostly okay on modern kernels
21:59:06 <cayce> at this point they're crushing really rare edge cases and optimizing some things
21:59:08 <iceTwy> I've heard it's pretty great yup
21:59:33 <cayce> so it's "probably safe" if you're using it in a boring way eg:drop-in for ext4
21:59:46 <cayce> but really, zfs
22:00:14 <cayce> I want to dick with illumos stuff because of the awe its nfs inspires in neckbeards
22:00:46 <cayce> MK_FG:) how do I get a damn peer
22:01:08 <cayce> oh efnet
22:01:09 <cayce> agh
22:01:16 <MK_FG> Heheh
22:01:47 <cayce> I mean I love efnet
22:01:54 <cayce> but really guys, efnet?
22:01:54 <joepie91> MK_FG: thank you
22:01:59 <joepie91> re: restart
22:02:05 <joepie91> Connected to 13 of 13 known storage servers
22:02:05 <joepie91> whoop
22:02:08 <MK_FG> I didn't actually restart it ;)
22:02:16 <MK_FG> It just connected all by itself
22:02:17 <joepie91> ah
22:02:17 <cayce> :>
22:02:22 <joepie91> yeah, I guess so :P
22:02:24 <cayce> oh
22:02:24 <MK_FG> By the time I wrote that...
22:02:43 <cayce> joepie91:) sometime soon I'll ask for introducer info because we're gonna have a big rack of free servers
22:02:56 <cayce> does tahoe do auto-rebalance of files yet?
22:02:58 <cayce> or is that still client side
22:03:30 <cayce> (free power, and a hand-laid fiber connection at bulk pricing for b/w... bankrolled by somebody not me)
22:03:41 * cayce grins
22:04:35 <cayce> I've been collecting a list of services that needs to run on it: tahoe, bitcoin full node, unbound. seems like a good start
22:05:02 <cayce> big old nfs array too, probably some hundred tb
22:05:18 <cayce> should be sexy
22:08:03 <MK_FG> Don't think tahoe rebalances by itself yet
22:08:16 <MK_FG> But I'm a bit behind on news there
22:09:30 <MK_FG> Also, wrt efnet - hypeirc.net is the thing there, efnet is just public stuff
22:09:40 <MK_FG> Don't think people actively give peers there anymore
22:10:20 <MK_FG> As net grew enough already, node map and such stuffs were taken down to preserve community and not let it follow the tor/i2p wrt cp and such stuff
22:24:44 <joepie91> cayce: pretty sure it's still client-sided
22:24:45 <joepie91> :P
22:25:03 <joepie91> also, cayce: owncloud!
22:25:21 <cayce> ugh
22:25:31 <cayce> hopefully it'll be automatic soon
22:25:40 <cayce> oh, that's a good idea
22:29:17 <joepie91> whoop
22:29:18 <joepie91> https://paste.icetwy.re/paste/4aSdQ+UV#a4PRFXspRbvYigt85pxK4lOVTUMo4mEGMd8yHeMUWSs=
22:29:27 <joepie91> basic inotify with proper move detection
22:29:34 <joepie91> inotify loop *
22:30:12 <iceTwy> hmm
22:30:40 <joepie91> inotify by default doesn't have a "this file moved from A to B" event
22:30:40 <joepie91> :P
22:31:03 <iceTwy> heh well
22:31:06 <iceTwy> look at what I did
22:31:17 <iceTwy> https://paste.icetwy.re/paste/e2NV4Bdy#aVRR89PN3E7BzpUrV45GSARd53kyz8LlNfKRBgSrEN4=
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22:31:44 <MK_FG> There's fanotify these days to not need hundreds of open fd's for each dir for inotify recursively
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23:12:44 <cayce> http://imgur.com/gallery/WXTBO genuinely entertaining comics about skyrim
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