Cryto! 2 October 2013

00:00:03 <tommykaine> or snicked on
00:02:27 <cayce> got rolled more than rollers
00:05:26 <Zoned> lol
00:05:31 <Zoned> no its because they're dumbfucks
00:09:07 <tommykaine> besides that!
00:09:09 <cayce> that doesn't counter my statement
00:09:17 <cayce> lmao
00:09:57 <cayce> though I suppose if you grew up in any sort of a hood, you don't roll
00:10:12 <cayce> hmm, I wonder if there's actually any correlation there
00:17:53 <DrWhat> they where snitched on by owen
00:18:27 <Zoned> the us government is just fucking stupid
00:18:40 <DrWhat> ofc
00:18:49 <DrWhat> that why i dont live their
00:19:24 <Zoned> lmfao
00:19:31 <Zoned> i dont live in the us since they're fucking stupid also :P
00:22:02 <mama> DrWhat: owen? interesting!!
00:22:48 <mama> are you sure?
00:23:30 <DrWhat> (nod)
00:23:40 <DrWhat> ohh
00:23:46 <DrWhat> this sint skype
00:23:48 <mama> hmm?
00:23:54 * DrWhat nods
00:23:58 <DrWhat> better :)
00:24:05 <mama> oh!
00:24:19 <mama> don't nod :P
00:24:26 <mama> i need to know :P
00:24:36 * DrWhat nods
00:24:42 <mama> LOL
00:25:36 <mama> ok, when you stop noding, tell me what do you think DrWhat haha!
00:26:04 <DrWhat> i think i need food
00:26:08 <mama> or better: what do you know about "this owen affair"
00:26:51 * mama is preparing pizza, cake and orange juice for DrWhat ;)
00:27:23 <DrWhat> Just pizza pl0x
00:27:30 <mama> ok :)
00:27:34 <DrWhat> not keen on sweets and juice
00:27:40 <DrWhat> replace the juice with coffee
00:27:49 <mama> wow me too haha
00:28:57 <mama> why you said "owen" while i spent this day thinking to him?!! strange coincidence :s
00:30:33 <Zoned> lol
00:30:51 <DrWhat> I know more about the worlds dealings some people will cry
00:31:16 <DrWhat> the things i have seen make it hard for me to smile.
00:31:21 <mama> I am already criying
00:32:14 <mama> but i refuse do allow depression to invade me
00:33:32 <mama> one day or another we will know all these hidden things, we have only to resist until that day
00:33:51 <DrWhat> resisit what
00:34:10 <DrWhat> all day i been working
00:34:25 <DrWhat> Why you thing i get involed with a lawyer
00:34:25 <mama> I believe that only by staying what we are, we are resisting
00:34:32 <DrWhat> why am i reversing so many types of packets
00:34:51 <mama> i would know and help if i can
00:35:02 <DrWhat> you wouldnt
00:35:12 <DrWhat> as joepie knows
00:35:14 <DrWhat> I work alone
00:35:17 <mama> i would do anything that help us to resist
00:35:25 <DrWhat> Walking this path forever
00:35:48 <mama> working alone is the best thing you can do
00:35:49 <DrWhat> Leave people behide the whether
00:35:55 <DrWhat> Just another day in my life
00:36:03 <mama> one anon can be a LEGION by himself
00:36:20 <DrWhat> who said anything about anon
00:36:29 <DrWhat> I have my own name
00:36:31 <mama> me :P
00:36:34 <DrWhat> DrWhatNoName
00:36:39 <mama> LOL
00:38:13 <mama> good night, i hope we can talk tomorrow
00:40:04 <DrWhat> We will not
00:40:06 <DrWhat> Ill be gone
00:40:31 <DrWhat> mama, wheres my fucking pizza
00:40:43 <mama> i need just to say something: the big difference between an activist and a secret agent is that an activist tends to spread knowledge while agent tends to keep it for himself and maybe sell it
00:40:58 <mama> I SENT YOUR PIZZA!!!!
00:41:29 <DrWhat> whats knowlage got to do about it
00:41:47 <mama> just saying :P
00:41:51 <DrWhat> and activist follows the heard
00:41:55 <DrWhat> i do not
00:41:57 <DrWhat> Simple
00:42:02 <DrWhat> I have the same goals
00:42:08 <DrWhat> i just go about them diffrently
00:42:10 <mama> knoledge, info, anything of this kind
00:42:17 <DrWhat> and in the shadow of averyone else
00:42:53 <mama> this is anon :P
00:43:01 <DrWhat> This is cryto
00:43:03 <DrWhat> !topic
00:43:08 <DrWhat> !topic #crytocc
00:43:14 <DrWhat> Stupid bot
00:43:16 <mama> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
00:43:18 <DrWhat> i beat you
00:43:27 <mama> hey joe is dead, no?
00:43:34 <DrWhat> Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama
00:43:37 <mama> hahahhahhaha, we can talk anon :P
00:43:43 <mama> hahahhaahahahahahahahahahah
00:43:47 <DrWhat> No we cant
00:43:53 <DrWhat> I will sell the infomation
00:43:53 <mama> ok
00:43:58 <DrWhat> becuse unlike anon
00:44:07 <DrWhat> Everyone loggs here
00:44:16 <DrWhat> loggy, pointer?
00:44:16 <loggy>
00:44:17 <mama> i know
00:44:28 <mama> and i don't care :P
00:44:43 <DrWhat> i love loggy
00:45:18 <mama> good night am gonna logging my dreams ;)
00:45:42 <mama> so you can "read" them tomorrow :)
00:45:43 <DrWhat> Thought your ment to be depressed?
00:45:57 <mama> NAH
00:52:26 <DrWhat> Oh shit
00:52:30 <DrWhat> i just noticed
00:52:32 <DrWhat> NO RYAN
00:59:13 <Zoned> LOL FUCK.
00:59:16 <Zoned> GTA 5 = good
00:59:24 <Zoned> just got eaten by a shark -,-
01:02:27 <DrWhat> bf4 = great
01:02:38 <DrWhat> wind alters bullet projectory
01:03:02 <DrWhat> you can drive a tank up a sky scraper
01:03:31 <DrWhat> and you have full swimming capibility
01:11:57 <Zoned> lol nice
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02:07:43 <tommykaine> pointy pointer!
02:10:45 <cayce> delicious steak and rice burrito
02:11:17 <joepie92> STABIBLITY
02:11:22 <joepie92> wow
02:11:23 <joepie92> STABILITY*
02:12:07 <cayce> NAH NIGGA, IT'S STABIBILITY
02:12:24 <cayce> :3
02:12:25 <joepie92> no
02:12:27 <joepie92> stabiblity
02:12:37 <joepie92> much more stabble than stable!
02:12:38 * cayce stabs
02:12:42 <joepie92> D:
02:12:59 <cayce> stabibility approaching zero
02:13:00 <joepie92> also
02:13:00 <cayce> :D
02:13:14 <joepie92> finally managed to word 'proper security policy' into one tweet-sized sentence
02:13:16 <joepie92> .tw
02:13:17 <botpie91> Security: "I might be protecting myself against many threats that don't really exist, but you're vulnerable to the one that does." (@joepie91)
02:13:31 <joepie92> THAT ONLY TOOK ME FOUR YEARS
02:13:41 <cayce> welcome to real security
02:13:45 <cayce> it's not easy
02:13:45 <cayce> :D
02:19:15 <Zoned> joepie91337
02:19:20 <tommykaine> dead
02:19:26 <Zoned> "real security"
02:19:26 <Zoned> LMFAO
02:19:52 <joepie92> by the way, I assume everyone here has read this?
02:19:53 <joepie92> .title
02:19:54 <botpie91> joepie92: French National Police Switch 37,000 Desktop PCs to Linux | Wired Enterprise |
02:20:20 <tommykaine> GOOD
02:20:29 <tommykaine> no more MSF
02:22:28 <DrWhat> joepie92
02:22:44 <DrWhat> wheres joepie91
02:22:55 <cayce> YES
02:25:46 <tommykaine> im telling u i killed him
02:26:23 <joepie92> DrWhat: hmm?
02:26:34 <tommykaine> joepie SH!
02:26:41 <joepie92> oh, by the way, gendarmerie reported a lowering of total cost of ownership of 40% or so
02:26:49 <joepie92> since switching to their custom ubuntu
02:27:27 <tommykaine> linux always costs nothing to run, and nothing much to maintain heh
02:27:58 <tommykaine> now for security if they can manage that!
02:28:11 <joepie92> tommykaine: the ancient argument has always been that Linux sysadmins cost more than Windows syadmins
02:28:15 <joepie92> and while generally true
02:28:25 <joepie92> that is easily offset by MS' licensing costs
02:28:43 <joepie92> (it's also not a permanent situation, the cheaper MS admins)
02:29:13 <joepie92> it's the same reason there's so many "cisco-certified" network engineers
02:29:21 <joepie92> even in companies where absolutely no cisco anything is used
02:29:33 <tommykaine> i always thought it was the actual costs of intergrading and having to 'train' them they never switched
02:29:52 <joepie92> that's also mentioned sometimes but that's a one time cost
02:29:54 <joepie92> so not very significant in TCO
02:30:00 <tommykaine> Ill tell ya one thing if they did that everywhere there would no crazy or stupid system crashes
02:31:34 <joepie92> I need a new cheese slicer.
02:31:46 <joepie92> that, or *very* strong glue
02:31:56 <tommykaine> my company for instace they run these mini cixtrix virtual machines because the costs of real desktop is much more and no limitation for lowerend employees
02:32:02 <tommykaine> lol
02:32:04 <tommykaine> cheese slicer
02:32:55 <joepie92> tommykaine: I don't understand why anyone would -not- have a cheese slicer
02:32:58 <joepie92> they're immensely useful
02:33:01 <joepie92> and not just for cheese
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02:33:50 <tommykaine> what about a Calluses remover?
02:33:57 <tommykaine> same concept
02:34:07 <joepie92> I have one like this:
02:34:14 <joepie92> it slices pretty much anythiung
02:34:17 <joepie92> anything *
02:35:27 <tommykaine>
02:35:30 <tommykaine> MWHAHAHA
02:38:05 <joepie92> tommykaine: those things are a disaster
02:38:14 <joepie92> they're better for grating your hands than grating cheese
02:38:16 <joepie92> and they're impossible to clean
02:38:41 <tommykaine> lol not with a power sink!
02:39:41 <joepie92> tommykaine:
02:39:44 <joepie92> problem solved
02:41:41 <joepie92> tommykaine: there,
02:43:36 <tommykaine> you sure you don't want this?
02:44:32 <joepie92> oh god those things are a disaster
02:45:21 <joepie92> tommykaine; these things have been around in NL for years
02:45:26 <joepie92> er
02:45:31 <joepie92> that'd be an understatement
02:45:41 <joepie92> they've been around for longer than I've been alive
02:45:45 <tommykaine> lol
02:45:54 <joepie92> and they're the perfect way to make your hands hurt
02:46:02 <joepie92> even more than they would when just cutting shit with a knife
02:46:13 <joepie92> pieces of crap they are
02:46:26 <joepie92> I mean sure, they're useful for large amounts of food
02:46:27 <joepie92> but fuck
02:47:58 <tommykaine> there only recent for us. :P
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02:48:09 <tommykaine> hey anyone know a good tv steaming site?
02:48:11 <Zoned> ahi sexies
02:50:00 <joepie92> AH, found it
02:50:01 <joepie92> tommykaine:
02:50:11 <joepie92> useful little gadget for cutting garlic
02:50:22 <joepie92> (yes, I know it looks like a weed grinder, that's not what it is)
02:50:27 <tommykaine> lies
02:50:42 <tommykaine> you NLers lol
02:51:03 <joepie92> actually this is originally an American thing :)
02:51:19 <joepie92> we just happen to have a company producing these things on the cheap
02:51:23 <joepie92> or rather, supplying*
02:51:30 <joepie92> "on the cheap" = for less than a euro
02:51:44 <tommykaine> i was going to say US did what when?
02:54:36 <joepie92> this is kind of amusing:
02:54:42 <joepie92> "Anonymous Ads is an advertising network that doesn't collect personal data"
02:54:57 <joepie92> slightly higher up in the page:
02:54:58 <joepie92> "impressions/day from 447K unique IP"
02:55:03 <joepie92> IPs*
02:55:08 <joepie92> okay.avi
02:57:52 <tommykaine> hey joe you know a tv steaming site?
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02:58:23 <joepie92> tommykaine: doubt any TV streaming sites exist
02:58:27 <joepie92> any good ones that is
02:58:35 <tommykaine> ahhh
02:59:24 <joepie92> tommykaine: just use to find stuff :P or torrents
03:01:11 <joepie92> wat
03:01:12 <joepie92>
03:04:37 <tommykaine> i dont get it? ^
03:06:21 <tommykaine> nvm main site said nothing, mainly for EFF
03:06:22 <joepie92> tommykaine: same idea as the humble bundle, except exclusively with Bitcoins, and the actual revenue paid out to the developers is in BTC also
03:06:26 <joepie92> instead of converting to USD
03:08:09 <tommykaine> figured that out i downlaoded the press release and said everything there lol
03:10:29 <tommykaine> RE time for me!
03:18:43 <cayce> wppt
03:21:04 <joepie92> work time for me
03:27:33 <cayce> NP: [Shiny Toy Guns - Le Disko] [We Are Pilots v3.0] [1056kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane
03:31:39 <cayce>
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03:38:08 <joepie92> .title
03:38:10 <botpie91> joepie92: Ayhan SİCİMOGLU - Istanbul Pas Costantinople - YouTube
03:38:11 <joepie92> tommykaine: not impressed
03:38:20 <joepie92> it links to an article on "security"
03:38:29 <joepie92> that A. uses the term "PC" when they mean "Windows"
03:38:53 <joepie92> and B. primarily recommends installing an antivirus, which is EXACTLY the ONE thing that's NOT going to save your ass when an ad network gets infected
03:39:09 <joepie92> because those are almost always drive-by's that AVs don't protect against yet
03:40:11 <cayce> nom nom nom
03:40:16 <cayce> my video is song
03:40:21 <cayce> cute french cover of old song
03:40:56 <cayce> not as cute as but meh
03:55:00 <x> :)
03:55:20 <cayce> :)
03:55:50 <tommykaine> Joepie92 i did not really read it just heading and few paragrpahs :P
04:08:46 <joepie92> godfuckingdamnit.
04:08:46 <joepie92>
04:10:27 <joepie92> cayce:
04:10:35 <joepie92> also
04:10:37 <joepie92> .title
04:10:38 <botpie91> joepie92: 'Revenge porn' outlawed in California | World news |
04:12:10 <tommykaine>
04:12:11 <tommykaine> every day
04:16:19 <cayce> awesome
04:16:23 <cayce> let's see how badly they worded it
04:16:53 <cayce> hahaha fuck yeah
04:16:57 <cayce> photographing fonts
04:16:58 <cayce> <
04:16:59 <cayce> <3
04:20:50 <MK_FG> Heh, ff soundcloud downloader plugin doesn't work, and if you look into dev console, there's "You like to look under the hood? Why not help us build the engine?" error :P
04:21:16 <cayce> fuck yeah
04:21:24 <cayce> <3 sc
04:21:33 <cayce> and, hmm
04:21:37 <cayce> not sure about that law
04:21:48 <joepie92> <cayce>let's see how badly they worded it
04:21:50 <joepie92> I don't know
04:21:50 <MK_FG> TEH LAW!
04:21:57 <joepie92> on first read it actually seems like a sane implementation
04:22:04 <joepie92> that doesn't have much misinterpretation/abuse potential
04:22:05 <cayce> it has obvious horrible free speech creep implications, but I'm not bothered by what they're trying to address
04:22:07 <joepie92> or at least, not as much as normally
04:22:17 <joepie92> when this kind of thing is introduced
04:22:23 <cayce> yeah
04:22:25 <joepie92> if anything, I'd rate it as "comparatively okay"
04:22:26 <cayce> we're okay at that
04:22:40 <cayce> we fuck stuff up sometimes, but CA laws tend to be reasonably worded
04:22:56 <cayce> the issue is usually when it's not it's like the gun laws around here
04:23:19 <cayce> which are basically "you thought you could own a gun? you were WRONG"
04:23:44 <joepie92> tommykaine: it is frustrating when people ask me what I do and I respond with "open-source developer"
04:23:59 <joepie92> and people either have a metaphorical question mark appearing above their heads
04:24:24 <joepie92> or they just ignore the "open-source" bit entirely and start asking me questions about my involvement in software that is not at all related to open-source
04:24:37 <joepie92> thankfully more and more people have started to understand what "open-source" means, recently
04:24:45 <cayce> add more words to change the focus
04:25:17 <joepie92> so things get a bit easier
04:25:21 <cayce> "I develop open-source software" versus "I'm an open source software developer"
04:25:34 <joepie92> cayce: both give the same result pretty much
04:25:36 <cayce> least precedence first
04:25:47 <cayce> but I can't grammar a way to put open source last
04:25:57 <joepie92> I'm a developer working on open-source
04:25:59 <joepie92> done
04:26:07 <cayce> open-source what
04:26:08 <joepie92> you can omit the 'software' bit at the end
04:26:09 <cayce> >_> :D
04:26:18 <joepie92> if people understand what open-source means
04:26:21 <cayce> you can, but if you do anybody honestly asking that question won't know
04:26:22 <joepie92> they will always assume 'software'
04:26:39 <joepie92> if they don't understand what open-source means, then the conversation is mostly pointless to start with
04:26:43 <joepie92> so nothing lost
04:27:06 <joepie92> (because really, try explaining the idea/motivation behind open-source in a minute in smalltalk without ending up in a furious discussion... it's HARD)
04:27:10 <cayce> I usually respond college student, but that paints me pretty badly too
04:27:16 <joepie92> heh
04:27:19 <joepie92> I have no such cop-outs :)
04:27:31 <cayce> well, professional college student
04:27:37 <cayce> which actually means something else
04:27:38 <cayce> lol
04:27:43 <joepie92> a.. what?
04:28:03 <cayce> in the US you can work and go to college at the same time
04:28:15 <cayce> If you're not working, you take more units
04:28:20 <cayce> hence professional college student
04:28:24 <cayce> only thing you do is school
04:28:42 <cayce> I'm taking 16 units right now, the cap is 17
04:28:53 <joepie92> I see
04:28:54 <cayce> I'm only actually required to take 12
04:29:11 <cayce> (truly 6, but federal financial aid depends on "full time" status, which is 12 units)
04:29:39 <cayce> so, professional college student
04:29:40 <cayce> :)
04:41:03 <tommykaine> lol I understand what open source is
04:41:50 <tommykaine> i just say what im thinking :P
04:44:20 <tommykaine> anyway nap time later!
04:50:27 <joepie92> OVH: "Short for "On Vous Héberge" (English: We Host You) is a global hosting company. Known for their dedicated server line, Kimsufi."
04:50:34 <joepie92> I did not know that OVH was an acronym.
04:52:42 <cayce> hahahaha
04:52:44 <cayce> that's a funny word
04:52:52 <cayce> héberge
04:52:53 <cayce> hmm
04:54:48 <joepie92> pretty sure it literally means "accomodate"
04:54:56 <joepie92> as in letting someone live at your place
04:55:10 <joepie92> French do strange stuff with internet terms
04:55:26 <joepie92> they also translated Download as Télécharger or however you accentuate it
04:55:40 <joepie92> which literally means "loading remotely" or rather "loading from far away"
04:56:05 <cayce> yeah
04:56:08 <joepie92> it's like they tried to translate every internet term into oldlanguage
04:56:09 <cayce> I think of telecharger as like
04:56:18 <cayce> to shoot electricity at
04:56:18 <cayce> lol
04:56:18 <joepie92> like, into a familiar concept
04:56:23 <joepie92> lol
04:56:40 <cayce> not altogether wrong, but totally missing the paradigm shift
04:56:41 <cayce> lol
04:56:48 <joepie92> haha
04:57:08 <joepie92> "well, it isn't really _wrong_ what you're doing... it's just... sub-optimal./"
04:57:39 <joepie92> oh, by the way, cayce
04:57:43 <joepie92> you were interested in btsync yes?
04:57:49 <joepie92> bittorrent sync stuff
04:57:56 <joepie92> (or is my memory deceiving me?)
04:58:00 <joepie92> like, the concept/tech behind it
04:58:14 <joepie92> because
04:58:23 * joepie92 is cleaning out his tabs and shooting off URLs to relevant persons
04:58:29 <cayce> yes
04:58:38 <cayce> I use it on my shit
04:59:01 <cayce> oooh
04:59:04 <cayce> hot
04:59:17 <joepie92> note that it's still in design phase
04:59:19 <joepie92> protocol spec phase, primarily
04:59:23 <joepie92> but that's the most important thing :)
04:59:37 <joepie92> also, cayce, mind trying something out?
04:59:37 <joepie92>
05:02:41 <cayce> :3
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06:52:32 <Macbeth> hello
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07:08:13 <joepie92> ohai Macbeth
07:15:01 <Macbeth> Hey joe
07:15:19 <Macbeth> Whut's goain oawn?
07:15:28 <joepie92> not much
07:15:36 <Macbeth> What's with the name?
07:15:47 <joepie92> oh, just connection
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07:15:54 <Macbeth> Oh, got it
07:15:57 <joepie91> had some issues with VPN over UDP
07:16:04 <joepie91> running it over TCP strangely seems to solve it
07:16:05 <joepie91> for unclear reasons
07:16:13 <Macbeth> Just makes me nervous. I always think that ppl are impersonating you.
07:16:15 <joepie91> either way my connection is actually stable now
07:16:17 <joepie91> heh
07:16:27 <joepie91> Macbeth: if in doubt, ask me to verify
07:16:34 <joepie91> and I'll prove access to one of my servers
07:16:34 <joepie91> :p
07:16:38 <joepie91> or similar mechanisms
07:16:39 <Macbeth> lulz
07:16:41 <joepie91> a tweet, whatever
07:16:59 <Macbeth> Yeah, no need.
07:17:35 <joepie91> no really - when in doubt, do ask for that
07:17:44 <Macbeth> Well, alright thanks.
07:17:46 <joepie91> people have tried to impersonate me before
07:17:47 <joepie91> so yeah :P
07:17:57 <Macbeth> I will if I'm talking about sensitive things, like the server,
07:18:12 <Macbeth> Which reminds me, are we going to host a pow-wow on the radio thing any time soon?
07:19:36 <joepie91> er, I really have to take care of a million other things before that :P
07:19:54 <Macbeth> Yeah, I'm not rushing you or anything, just curious :)
07:20:03 <Macbeth> Have you ever heard of dropplets?
07:25:11 <joepie91> Macbeth: that very strongly depends on what context it is
07:39:59 <Macbeth> It's a blogging platform
08:03:27 <joepie91> Macbeth: link?
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08:11:47 <joepie91> what.
08:11:49 <joepie91> NIST closed.
08:11:59 <Macbeth>
08:13:59 <joepie91> Macbeth: that idea already exists
08:14:01 <joepie91> and has for a long time
08:14:09 <Macbeth> I know
08:14:15 <Macbeth> I just like dropplets, as a platform
08:14:22 <joepie91>
08:18:31 <Macbeth> I know
08:18:34 <Macbeth> I just like dropplets, as a platform
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10:34:05 <crafy_d> o/
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13:25:58 <cayce> joepie91:) you know shit's fucked up when you click the X on their popover offer and it STILL takes you to the checkout page.
13:26:19 <cayce> fuckin' faggety anne
13:33:41 <cayce> ugh man forums
13:36:08 <cayce> joepie91:) if you wanna be proud of lighttpd:
13:37:17 <joepie91> cayce: where'd that happen? popover?
13:37:27 <joepie91> also, yay
13:37:39 <cayce> on their site
13:37:57 <cayce> clicked the cyberghost url
13:38:08 <joepie91> oh
13:38:08 <joepie91> haha
13:38:14 <joepie91> cyberghost is fucky
13:38:16 <joepie91> in many many ways
13:38:16 <cayce> I think it's not technically a popover, but I don't know what to call it
13:38:21 <joepie91> modal
13:38:26 <cayce> oh, okay
13:38:33 <GHOSTnew> cyberghost vpn = shit
13:38:35 <joepie91> but really, screw cyberghost
13:38:41 <cayce> I hate them as much as I hate popovers
13:38:49 <joepie91> GHOSTnew: well aware
13:38:50 <cayce> such a horrible ui pattern
13:38:55 <joepie91> there's a reason they have such a bad re
13:38:57 <joepie91> rep *
13:39:07 <joepie91> actually, there are many reasons :|
13:39:39 <cayce> anyway :)
13:39:52 <cayce> want to falcon punch modals off internet
13:40:02 <cayce> along with popups, popovers, popunders
13:40:12 <cayce> just cause you do it in fucking jquery doesn't make it okay
13:40:38 <joepie91> lol
13:40:44 <cayce> it reminds me of soundcloud's new auth system
13:40:48 <joepie91> modals can be okay
13:40:50 <joepie91> emphasis on 'can'
13:40:52 <cayce> which has made me almost stop using sc
13:40:54 <joepie91> usually they're not
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13:41:43 <joepie91> cayce: I like how Xenforo does stuff
13:41:48 <joepie91> and how buyincoins used to do stuff
13:41:51 <joepie91> slide-out page headers
13:41:54 <joepie91> for login etc.
13:42:11 <joepie91> doesn't take over your browser/page, doesn't waste screen space
13:42:24 <cayce> neat
13:42:38 <cayce> I liked old-version bootstrap putting the login/pass in the menubar
13:42:59 <cayce> might still, dunno
13:47:35 <cayce> wow, this is offensive:
13:50:32 <cayce> hahaha
13:50:40 <cayce> it's cute to see people try to corner the market from LEB
13:59:00 <cayce> .tw
13:59:01 <botpie91> People already traveling down a road should not concern themselves with people who tell them that the road doesn't exist. (@intentionally)
13:59:29 <vld> .tw .tw
13:59:30 <botpie91> vld: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id
14:00:24 <vld> .ghstart
14:00:25 <vld> !
14:00:27 <vld> no?
14:00:41 <vld> .startgh
14:00:43 <botpie91> KeyError: 'repository' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/", line 48, in parse_github_feed)
14:01:03 <vld> botpie91, tell joepie91 to fix you.
14:01:04 <botpie91> vld: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around.
14:02:31 <joepie91> what in the hell
14:02:32 <botpie91> joepie91: 14:01Z <vld> tell joepie91 to fix you.
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14:17:48 <cayce> awsome
14:17:53 <cayce> owned fucking everything
14:17:54 <cayce>
14:20:31 <vld> hasn't krebson died already
14:22:54 <cayce> brian krebs? no
14:23:12 <vld> the site
14:23:13 <cayce> awh tom clancy died
14:23:26 <cayce> vld:) who are you talking about
14:26:25 <joepie91> .startgh
14:26:27 <botpie91> KeyError: 'repository' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/", line 48, in parse_github_feed)
14:26:29 <joepie91> what the fuck
14:28:19 <MK_FG> ;(
14:28:59 <MK_FG> Clancy was better part of simple books than crap like 50sg or twilight
14:30:18 <joepie91> wth
14:30:21 <cayce> I loved the netops series
14:30:23 <joepie91> vld:
14:30:25 <joepie91> these failed
14:30:35 <joepie91> the last one is especially odd
14:30:39 <joepie91> that should have a repository entry?!
14:31:13 <vld> haxed
14:31:28 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny on branch 10master: '02Fix bug in GitHub module' (
14:31:30 <botpie91> 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny on branch 10master: '02Fix bug in GitHub module' (
14:31:59 <joepie91> .reload
14:32:03 <joepie91> ok fuck it
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14:32:16 <joepie91> .startgh
14:32:18 <botpie91> Now watching GitHub for users joepie91, iceTwy, FichteFoll, cam1337, codetalkdev, shiny.
14:32:20 <joepie91> there
14:32:20 <joepie91> fixed
14:32:42 <joepie91> botpie91, ask iceTwy why he changed from zerobin to 0bin
14:32:43 <botpie91> joepie91: I'll pass that on when iceTwy is around.
14:33:49 <MK_FG> 0bin is aes-256 (not) :P
14:34:01 <joepie91> MK_FG: mm? elaborate..
14:34:31 <MK_FG> Just a long-running joke about all pastebins that came after
14:34:52 <joepie91> I actually think 0bin was before sebsauvage
14:34:53 <MK_FG> They all claim to be aes-256, and 0bin even says that in the top header, right?
14:34:55 <joepie91> but regardless
14:34:58 <joepie91> I don't get the joke :P
14:34:58 <joepie91> yes
14:35:04 <joepie91> both sebsauvage and 0bin do
14:35:09 <MK_FG> But they all use sjcl lib
14:35:23 <MK_FG> WHich doesn't have aes-256, just simple aes, 128bit ;)
14:35:29 <joepie91> haha what
14:35:47 <MK_FG> And they use plain aes, all I've seen, yet repeat that aes-256 thing ;)
14:35:53 <joepie91> "SJCL is secure. It uses the industry-standard AES algorithm at 128, 192 or 256 bits; the SHA256 hash function; the HMAC authentication code; the PBKDF2 password strengthener; and the CCM and OCB authenticated-encryption modes. "
14:35:59 <joepie91> ?
14:36:11 <joepie91>
14:36:52 <MK_FG>
14:37:09 <MK_FG> And not even that, actually
14:37:28 <MK_FG> They use this -
14:37:34 <joepie91> so, if SJCL doesn't do AES 256, why does the frontpage say it does?
14:39:08 <MK_FG> No, it actually seem to allow aes-256 now, apparently
14:39:29 <MK_FG> When I've looked before, I don't recall seeing 8-word keys there
14:39:37 <MK_FG> Or anything but 4-word
14:39:42 <MK_FG> Which is 32*4=128
14:39:48 <joepie91> updates, updates, updates!
14:39:50 <joepie91> :P
14:40:45 <MK_FG>
14:41:06 <MK_FG> So anyway, here's how 0bin does it, and that's def. 128
14:41:15 <joepie91> ow.
14:41:39 <MK_FG> And sebsauvage uses just .encrypt() too, and everything
14:42:00 <joepie91> why?!
14:42:35 <MK_FG> It's a cool thing, actually - does pbkdf2 from password and aes-ccm under the hood
14:42:54 <MK_FG> Easy to use, no need to know about all these underneath
14:43:11 <MK_FG> But I think it was just copy-pasted from whatever initial zerobin implementation ;)
14:43:34 <MK_FG> Which I thought was sebsauvage, given that it seem to be most widely-used for some reason
14:44:23 <joepie91> probably because lolhackernews
14:44:35 <MK_FG> <-- also same .encrypt() with default ks:128 and cipher:aes
14:45:18 <MK_FG> Yet - AES-256 :P
14:46:29 <MK_FG> It probably says something significant about how crypto is used in practice...
14:46:39 <joepie91> MK_FG: perhaps create a github issue?
14:46:45 <MK_FG> I did for 0bin
14:47:00 <joepie91> result?
14:47:27 <MK_FG> Acked, but lazy to do PR for all docs and dev seem busy enough
14:51:53 <joepie91> :|
14:52:10 <MK_FG> Yeah, I'm a part of the problem
14:52:43 <MK_FG> But it looks like a cool thing to follow: "aes-256-claim all the things!" ;)
14:53:21 <MK_FG> "copy-paste crypto, no need to think or look if it actually just does base64!" :P
15:00:26 <Xeross> joepie91: Got any feedback on Twitter with regards to that back-up provider?
15:00:49 <joepie91> Xeross: nope :|
15:01:00 <joepie91> oh, MK_FG, perhaps you can cast your opinion on them
15:01:20 <joepie91> .tw
15:01:21 <botpie91> Anyone have experience with backup service? Open-source client, claim high security, but strange/unpleasant TOS. (@joepie91)
15:01:25 <joepie91> also cc zxcvbnm
15:01:35 <Xeross> joepie91: they do look interesting IMO
15:01:48 <joepie91> Xeross: yes, but their TOS make me iffy
15:01:59 <MK_FG> Haven't heard of that one before, I think
15:02:01 <joepie91> it doesn't seem to fit into their supposed attitude towards things
15:02:17 <Xeross> joepie91: contact them and ask them to clarify and possibly amend their TOS?
15:02:34 <MK_FG> <-- where's my github link!?
15:03:20 <MK_FG> Just tarball dumps is technically open-source
15:03:30 <MK_FG> But it's not what I'd call that
15:03:44 <joepie91> git clone$pkg.git ||
15:03:47 <joepie91> from their git installer
15:03:51 <joepie91> sec
15:04:02 <joepie91>         CT_PKGS="clens clog assl xmlsd shrink exude cyphertite"
15:04:02 <joepie91>         for pkg in $CT_PKGS; do
15:04:07 <joepie91> so, those repos
15:04:57 <MK_FG> Oh yeah, they have links in indeed
15:05:02 * joepie91 blinks
15:05:06 <joepie91> they develop on master branch?
15:05:27 <joepie91>
15:05:41 <joepie91> also
15:08:00 <MK_FG> Yeah, it's just their site that gives bad impression
15:08:38 <MK_FG> In code comments they cound from 0 :P
15:08:48 <joepie91> MK_FG: hmm
15:08:49 <joepie91> ?
15:08:58 <MK_FG> "* unlocking:" "* 0. get rounds" "* 1. take the passphrase key and decrypt the mask key" ... :P
15:09:21 <MK_FG> And it's all step-by-step lists in code comments, it seems
15:09:39 <joepie91> haha
15:11:28 <MK_FG> "ct_passphrase_decrypt(uint8_t *key, size_t keylen, uint8_t *src," "return (ct_crypto_crypt(EVP_aes_256_ecb(), key, keylen, NULL, 0, src," <----- ECB!? WTF!?!?
15:12:17 <joepie91> isn't that the one where it's far too easy to detect patterns?
15:13:01 <MK_FG> Yeah
15:13:28 <MK_FG> I've even seen a t-shirt dedicated to its crappiness somewhere on twitter
15:13:55 <MK_FG>
15:14:38 <joepie91> MK_FG: hehe
15:15:23 <DrWhat> Anfter noon peeps
15:15:47 <MK_FG> They seem to use xts in other places though
15:16:25 <joepie91>
15:16:52 <joepie91> file an issue!
15:18:20 <MK_FG> "scalable solution"?
15:18:36 <MK_FG> What does that even mean for centralized upload service?
15:21:23 <DrWhat> what is this go language
15:21:41 <DrWhat> looks like a bad scripting language
15:23:35 <MK_FG> "... cyphertite(1), the client that provides a privacy-driven encrypted remote archive." :P
15:25:25 <MK_FG> "upload_crypto_secrets = 1"
15:26:01 <MK_FG> Can't think why ecb would be so bad as to leak such a short string though
15:26:15 <MK_FG> But I kinda worry about these fellows
15:28:35 <MK_FG> They do pbkdf2 to get key for aes-256-ecb though, with 256000 rounds
15:28:38 <joepie91> MK_FG: what would your judgment be so far?
15:28:52 <MK_FG> I wonder why they replicate LUKS
15:29:20 <MK_FG> Like, you can take libcryptsetup, which is widely-verified, has stable format and all that
15:29:21 <joepie91> isn't LUKS for encrypted filesystems, rather than encrypted files?
15:29:32 <joepie91> (plus, LUKS won't work on Windows and such will it?)
15:29:55 <MK_FG> Hm, yeah, that's a good point about windows, maybe it won't build there
15:30:48 <MK_FG> But not only fs, libcryptsetup allows to just do luks encryption and later key management for whatever data
15:31:33 <MK_FG> Why they even provide a service then?
15:31:59 <MK_FG> I mean, you take their crypto thing and you get encrypted data out of it
15:32:15 <MK_FG> Why not just upload it to whatever dropbox, skydrive, google drive afetrwards?
15:32:35 <joepie91> provide a service to make monies? :)
15:32:37 <joepie91> also,
15:33:11 <MK_FG> The thing seem to keep db cache there for what to upload, doesn't query remote for dedup afaict
15:33:46 <MK_FG> But didn't see anything to get data out of it and not uploaded, of course
15:33:53 <MK_FG> Which yeah, makes sense for monies
15:34:05 <MK_FG> But meh
15:34:34 <MK_FG> Do some rsync/mksquashfs, then crypt it and upload in one script
15:34:57 <MK_FG> Done, same backup solution, known dedup, compression and whatever properties
15:35:07 <MK_FG> And you can use much cheaper upstream clouds
15:35:11 <MK_FG> Like, even free ones
15:35:24 <MK_FG> And no that sketchy ecb thing
15:36:37 <MK_FG> (guess I could've worded last line better, don't see much wrong with what they do there, just weird why do that if we have much wider-used things with lots more features and such)
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15:48:16 <MK_FG> Actually, it all probably makes sense for windows or people who don't care about writing bash ;)
15:49:29 <joepie91>
15:49:30 <joepie91> .title
15:49:31 <botpie91> joepie91: FBI seizes underground drug market Silk Road, owner indicted in New York | The Verge
15:52:39 <DrWhat> hmmm
15:52:40 <Macbeth> What free webhosts do you al think are the best?
15:52:43 <MK_FG> Is going after masked citizens that do distribution even makes sense?
15:52:46 <Macbeth> * all
15:52:52 <DrWhat> Huehuehuehue
15:52:57 <Macbeth> Sucks
15:53:03 <DrWhat> Huehuehuehuehue
15:53:14 <Macbeth> heh haw heh haw heh haw heh haw heh haw
15:53:15 <DrWhat> the best free webhost
15:53:17 <DrWhat> is your self
15:53:23 <DrWhat> install xampp
15:53:27 <joepie91> Macbeth: none
15:53:28 <joepie91> and no
15:53:30 <DrWhat> and your the best free webhost ever
15:53:32 <joepie91> xampp is a fucking terrible idea
15:53:34 <joepie91> for public serving pages
15:53:39 <joepie91> xampp was designed for dev machinse
15:53:41 <joepie91> machines *
15:53:54 <DrWhat> Well i dont know he requirements
15:54:05 <joepie91> he asks for a webhost, obviously that doesn't mean local dev
15:54:22 <DrWhat> :3
15:54:40 <DrWhat> Its a dev channel :3
15:54:46 <DrWhat> dev host
15:54:50 <DrWhat> wait
15:54:53 <DrWhat> thats it
15:54:56 <DrWhat> devhost
15:55:01 <DrWhat> i saw them some where
15:55:14 <DrWhat> they provide free webhosting for dev's
15:55:20 <Macbeth> I can't run a server off of my PC
15:55:21 <DrWhat> something like 100mb space and shit
15:55:26 <Macbeth> It would crash with 2 users joining...
15:56:46 <MK_FG> Large clouds like aws seem to provide free vps'es for long periods, like a year
15:57:13 <MK_FG> Google appengine I think doesn't even have a time limit
16:02:20 <joepie91> Macbeth: don't host from home
16:02:24 <joepie91> Macbeth: what do you need it for?
16:02:27 <Macbeth> Naturally, ha ha
16:02:41 <Macbeth> Just some webdesign that I've been doing lately with Js and HTML
16:02:45 <Macbeth> Retro
16:03:22 <Macbeth> It bother's be when setting up FTP accounts, makes you set up a directory, and you can't just set it up to go right to the website.
16:10:57 <Zoned> my god
16:11:00 <Zoned> this company takes forever
16:11:18 <Macbeth> What? Cryto?
16:11:36 <MK_FG> Cryto Enterprises Inc.
16:11:54 <MK_FG> (secret rulers of the world, you know)
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16:12:35 <Macbeth> And some of the best private programmers BD
16:14:19 <Zoned> when a support ticket has been only for 5+ days with no replies
16:14:36 <Macbeth> You could have come to the IRC...
16:16:06 <Macbeth> Be back in a few. I'm reststarting so I can rename some files that aren't letting me
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16:29:17 <Macbeth> I'm gonna go with GetSimple CMS
16:29:49 <Macbeth> Tried wordpress but it was huge, and the webserver was sorta complaining, also it is so widely used, I wanted to do something mre light weight
16:31:12 <joepie91> Macbeth: what's "also it is so widely used" doing in that sentence?
16:46:12 <MK_FG> Macbeth, If you go for a blog, try one of these static site generation things
16:47:24 <MK_FG> And come to think of it, you can actually host that on github for free
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17:04:07 <DrWhat>
17:04:08 <DrWhat> +2
17:09:30 <DrWhat> i need more coffee
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18:15:34 <DrWhat> <pre><?php $f='n';$u='o';$n='i';/* o*/$c='t';$t='c';/* d */$i='n';$o='u';/* :) */$n='f';$nl='function';
18:15:34 <DrWhat> $null[15]= ('0'==null);
18:15:34 <DrWhat> echo((0)?" function null() ":'null()');
18:15:34 <DrWhat> $f= "". /* { */"\n\t".''.
18:15:34 <DrWhat> '/* Not a' /* Not a function */ .' '.$n;/**/
18:15:34 <DrWhat> $zero=1;/* } while(1){}*/
18:15:34 <DrWhat> $ns="\x27 ".PHP_EOL;/*
18:15:36 <DrWhat> */$notafunction="\n".'}';$x=2;while($x){$x--;$f=str_replace(" ","",$f);}$f="\n{".$f;echo $f.'';/**/;
18:15:37 <DrWhat> $x670='notafuncti0n';$printf=$x670;if($null[15]){echo"";}echo $$x670.$notafunction;/* opsftw - Tux. */?>
18:15:40 <DrWhat> lol
18:39:34 <norbert79_xchat> ... lol
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18:41:47 <crafy_d> o/
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18:43:36 <anonacryto> is this the channel for questions?
18:45:31 <anonacryto> is anyone actively on here even?
18:47:05 <norbert79_xchat> Yes, we are around, just quiet
18:47:23 <anonacryto> oh ok, could I possibly ask you a question?
18:47:32 <anonacryto> or a few
18:48:05 <norbert79_xchat> Just ask, anyone with answers will reply for sure
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18:49:05 <anonacryto> what exactly is an introducer NODE furl?
18:49:46 <anonacryto> or a  Furl
18:55:21 <anonacryto> nobody?
18:55:23 <DrWhat> furl?
18:55:52 <anonacryto> concerning tahoe-lafs
18:56:01 <DrWhat> Furl (from File Uniform Resource Locators) was a free social bookmarking website that allowed members to store searchable copies of webpages and share them
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19:04:07 <ElectRo`> silkroad got raided
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19:04:24 <Macbeth> Yeah
19:04:27 <Macbeth> Thanks guys
19:04:33 <Macbeth> I'm using
19:10:30 <norbert79_xchat> heh, I wouldn't have know the answer to that
19:10:42 <Macbeth> What?
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19:11:19 <norbert79_xchat> nvm Macbeth
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19:20:23 <ElectRo`> .bitcoin
19:20:24 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $114.10, 1 BTC = €91.01
19:20:55 <Macbeth> botpie91 is so useful
19:23:01 <ElectRo`> riding the wave down
19:37:01 <Zoned> dafq
19:37:14 <Zoned> sent me  text message...
19:37:19 <Zoned> im totally mindfucked
19:38:01 <Zoned> It appears to be a mastercard scam, time to have fun with this.
19:38:15 <Macbeth> I always go
19:38:16 <Macbeth> * do
19:41:58 <Zoned> # which it wants me to call is a VoIP phone in Orange Park, FL
19:42:12 <Zoned> well, time to call bomb them
19:42:19 * Macbeth is away:
19:42:41 * Zoned hates away messages: they suck
19:44:36 * Macbeth doesn't care all that much
19:45:49 * Zoned implys you care a bit.
19:53:04 * Macbeth is still not that effected
19:53:17 <ElectRo`> .bitcoin
19:53:18 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $112.94, 1 BTC = €92.83
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19:54:15 <iceTwy> cayce: so like, went to the gym
19:54:16 <botpie91> iceTwy: 14:32Z <joepie91> ask iceTwy why he changed from zerobin to 0bin
19:54:26 <iceTwy> ah
19:54:28 <iceTwy> for the fun of it
19:57:13 <vld> .bitcoin
19:57:14 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $112.94, 1 BTC = €92.83
19:57:31 <iceTwy> $112?
19:57:53 <ElectRo`> gox is on the rebound
19:57:56 <iceTwy> aye, 24h avg is $125
19:58:07 <iceTwy> best bid's currently at $127
20:07:55 <DrWhat> joepie gone to bed
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20:19:01 <Zoned> silky!
20:19:02 <Zoned> no!!!
20:21:40 <Zoned>
20:21:41 <Zoned> -,-
20:25:57 <MK_FG> DrWhat, Actually, it's foolscap url in tahoe context
20:26:42 <MK_FG> Which is something like pb://<tls-cert-hash>@<ip/hostname>:<port>/<Object-path>
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21:23:18 <vld> .btc
21:23:21 <vld> .bitcoin
21:23:22 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $111.51, 1 BTC = €93.40
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22:11:07 <Zoned> my irc server is finally working again
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23:08:48 <Macbeth> Hello
23:08:54 <Zoned> hai
23:08:59 <Macbeth> Hey Zoned
23:09:09 <Zoned> sup
23:09:22 <Macbeth> Naught too much.
23:09:28 <Macbeth> I'm doing some HTML
23:09:38 <Macbeth> I havn't in a while, and it's sorta fun
23:10:19 <Zoned> lol nice
23:10:35 <Macbeth> Ha ha thanks
23:10:39 <Macbeth> What languages do you know?
23:10:43 <Macbeth> (programming)
23:23:13 <Zoned> a lot
23:23:14 <Zoned> why?
23:24:45 <Macbeth> Just wondering.
23:24:47 <Macbeth> And c00l
23:25:02 <Zoned> a know a shitton of programming languages lmfao
23:25:04 <Macbeth> 1|_|1s
23:25:09 <Macbeth> ha ha ha
23:26:43 <Zoned> anyone got a ss of sr seized?
23:26:47 <Zoned> 2 lazy to open it
23:30:28 * Macbeth is away:
23:31:15 <Zoned> lol
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