Cryto! 29 September 2013
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04:02:32 <TKaine> anyone in?
04:02:53 <TKaine> joepie
04:03:00 <TKaine> mcbeth
04:03:11 <TKaine> BOTPIE91!
04:03:22 <TKaine> botpie91!
04:03:23 <botpie91> TKaine!
04:03:26 <TKaine> yay!
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04:13:44 <macbeth> Hai
04:14:01 <Tommykaine> welcome back
04:14:06 <macbeth> Hey, thanks
04:14:12 <Tommykaine> stupid server keeps changeing my password on me
04:14:14 <Tommykaine> sob
04:14:21 <macbeth> Have you set up your XMPP yet?
04:14:28 <macbeth> And the server isn't changing your password.
04:14:29 <Tommykaine> im trying to register...
04:14:37 <macbeth> It's either you forgetting, or a h4x0r
04:14:38 <Tommykaine> to xmpp^
04:14:56 <Tommykaine> what web server can i register with xmpp? standard is disabled
04:15:08 <macbeth> I recomend dukgo.com
04:15:20 <Tommykaine> fyi http://www.perlmonks.org/ lol
04:15:23 <macbeth> It's total anonymity, and it's easy to register
04:15:32 <macbeth> Don't give them your email though.
04:16:25 <macbeth> Is that good?
04:16:44 <macbeth> Also, on my blog there are some things that will assist you with that
04:16:59 <macbeth> macb37h.wordpress.com/contact and macb37h.wordpress.com/tools
04:17:04 <macbeth> That will probably help you a little.
04:22:39 <Tommykaine> think i got it
04:23:22 <Tommykaine> i tried adding u says not authorized
04:23:41 <macbeth> I've just added you
04:25:12 <macbeth> tommykaine, i just msged u
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10:34:02 <joepie91> it really bothers me that YAML doesn't permit tabs for indentation.
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12:24:46 <MK_FG> For config format, I thnk it's fair to not allow tabs
12:25:16 <MK_FG> Because spaces there are significant, and if you allow two kinds of these, people *will* mistake one for another
12:25:40 <MK_FG> Like, you do "cat /etc/myconfg.yaml" and will have no idea if it's tabs there or spaces
12:26:14 <MK_FG> And if you then copy-paste stuff from terminal, it will mangle tabs into random number of spaces
12:26:47 <MK_FG> So imho in this particular case, it's a good thing it explicitly doesn't allow tabs
12:42:19 <joepie91> MK_FG: except that's all software implementation error (the copypaste stuff) rather than format problem
12:42:39 <joepie91> and to quote from the FAQ
12:42:45 <joepie91> Tabs have been outlawed since they are treated differently by different editors and tools. And since indentation is so critical to proper interpretation of YAML, this issue is just too tricky to even attempt. Indeed Guido van Rossum of Python has acknowledged that allowing TABs in Python source is a headache for many people and that were he to design Python again, he would forbid them.
12:43:01 <joepie91> A. yes, indeed, they are treated differently by different editors/tools, THAT IS KIND OF THE POINT OF WHY TABS ARE MORE USEFUL
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12:43:37 <joepie91> B. I'd like to know who exactly has trouble with tabs vs spaces in practical usage, and that doesn't fall into the category of "people with broken tools"
12:43:46 <joepie91> s/that//
12:44:39 <joepie91> because every time I talk about this issue
12:44:44 <joepie91> be it in the context of Python or otherwise
12:44:50 <joepie91> all anyone can ever come up with is
12:44:55 <joepie91> "yeah well, theoretically, it could cause problems"
12:45:45 <joepie91> the very rare users that I've spoken to that had issues with tabs vs. spaces in a practical sense, were basically always users that had tools that didn't treat tabs correctly (that is, stuff like automatically replacing tabs with spaces and other behaviour no editor should ever be displaying)
12:45:51 <joepie91> and that is a tool problem, not a format problem
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13:21:08 <_{DrWhat}_> cayce: Where is my secks
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13:41:02 <crafy_d> o/
13:42:52 <norbert79> hey
13:43:32 <crafy_d> hey : )
13:44:08 <Zoned> crafy_d
13:44:10 <Zoned> SUP
13:44:25 <crafy_d> good. thank you. : )
13:44:30 <crafy_d> how about you?
13:44:44 <Zoned> pretty good :P
13:45:02 <crafy_d> nice :P
13:45:49 <crafy_d> what's new?
13:48:02 <crafy_d> i see. there isnt new thing. : )
13:49:48 <Zoned> not lots
13:50:43 <crafy_d> hmm. ok.
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14:27:14 <DrWhat> 3:26p| (@DrWhat) !rehash
14:27:14 <DrWhat> 3:26p| (DrBot) You are not authorized to use this command. It requires a user level of 1000000. Your current user level is 1000000.
14:27:18 <DrWhat> >.>
14:29:05 <crafy_d> !rehash
14:29:08 <crafy_d> : )
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14:31:02 <DrWhat> 3:30p| (DrBot) You are not authorized to use this command. It requires a user level of 100. Your current user level is 100.
14:31:08 <DrWhat> Seems borken
14:32:08 <joepie91> <_{DrWhat}_>cayce: Where is my secks
14:32:10 <joepie91> probably not with cayce
14:32:14 <joepie91> :P
14:32:37 <DrWhat> joepie91
14:32:43 <DrWhat> WHY MY BOTNOT WORKING
14:32:47 <DrWhat> lol
14:33:30 <DrWhat> Oh wait
14:33:32 <DrWhat> ofc
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14:35:07 <DrWhat> Yay
14:35:15 <DrWhat> wut
14:36:31 <DrWhat> joepie91
14:36:37 * DrWhat waves
14:43:19 <DrWhat> YuuHoo
14:43:23 <DrWhat> joepie91
14:43:32 * DrWhat pokes joepie91 butt
14:43:54 <DrWhat> joepie91 wana see somthing cool
14:44:03 <DrWhat> Join #drwhat
14:44:08 <DrWhat> Ill show you in a bit
14:44:12 <DrWhat> after i done it
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15:38:21 <cayce> lol joepie91, I'm continually pissed off by things that use spaces instead of tabs
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15:44:56 <joepie91> cayce: honestly, I can kind of live with using spaces instead of tabs in existing files
15:45:03 <joepie91> I have an editor that can nicely abstract all of that away
15:45:05 <joepie91> to make it tolerable
15:45:16 <joepie91> the problem is *parsers* needlessly enforcing spaces
15:46:04 * cayce nods
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15:54:02 <Zoned> le jar
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17:15:31 <crafy_d> o/
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17:47:21 <iceTwy> this is extremely odd
17:47:49 <iceTwy> even though I'm clearing Chromium's cache, my website page isn't updated properly
17:48:16 <iceTwy> modifying a CSS propriety will still result in having the same value for that propriety, even with the cache cleared
17:50:39 <iceTwy> most likely not related to Chromium anyway
17:54:00 <DrWhat> I need more dopamien
18:00:54 <Tommykaine> 0.o
18:12:26 <DrWhat> Is means coffee
18:21:37 <MK_FG> joepie91, Tabs vs spaces are constant pain for me in practice, actually
18:21:54 <MK_FG> You can write it off as "person with broken tools", naturally
18:22:20 <MK_FG> But fuck that, I'd rather people decide to consistently use one or the other for same format
18:22:41 <MK_FG> And given that they can't, let developers of format decide for them
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18:26:11 <MK_FG> And hmms, you can probably generalize "the problem is *parsers* needlessly enforcing spaces" as "parsers enforcing consistency"
18:26:23 <MK_FG> Which is what they do, yes
18:27:00 <MK_FG> Or at least ought to do, and sometimes fail badly to, in some less strict cases like perl
18:27:36 <MK_FG> And if you parse shit 10 different ways, at least have decency to call it 10 different formats
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18:34:51 <DrWhat> MK_FG sAME
18:35:04 <DrWhat> Yml is dependant on spaces
18:35:07 <DrWhat> Yml is dependant on space indents
18:35:18 <DrWhat> but my editor is default to use tab indents
18:35:26 <DrWhat> So... Its oftent breaks
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18:46:10 <MK_FG> Not really same, emacs seem to treat both just fine
18:46:31 <MK_FG> But yep, +1 example of person with that broken tools
18:47:01 <MK_FG> And I guess it people with non-broken ones should be fine with both, so shouldn't be upset about "spaces only" policy ;)
18:47:08 <MK_FG> s/it //
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19:15:15 <cayce> I'm so excited that Inconsolata is actually being expanded upon
19:15:48 <cayce> the original was made, then dz with proper vertical quotes, and now there are versions with Hellenic script and Cyrillic lettering
19:19:43 <MK_FG> Font making process sounds mysterious, do they continuously test letters on people or something?
19:20:14 <MK_FG> I mean, how do you make good font? Surely not just by drawing whatever came into mind...
19:24:21 <cayce> depends on the typographers approach :P
19:24:43 <cayce> the proliferation of shitty fonts in recent years actually confirms that some people do indeed "draw whatever comes to mind" :P
19:33:13 <MK_FG> Which fonts do you consider good, as an obvious font geek, btw? ;)
19:34:05 <MK_FG> I seem to have strange attraction to B&H Luxi Sans, but other Luxi fonts are kinda crap...
19:34:38 <MK_FG> DejaVu Sans Mono for monospace non-pixel
19:34:55 <MK_FG> Tried ubuntu and google fonts, none seem to be better so far
19:34:59 <norbert79_xchat> DOSEGA for the win :) And Lucida Console for non-pixel...
19:35:11 <norbert79_xchat> but I have my own collection
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19:35:44 <norbert79_xchat> ANd LibreOffice comes with some nice fonts
19:37:39 <MK_FG> Hm, can't recall using Lucida for long, gotta try
19:37:49 <norbert79_xchat> It's an okay font
19:38:02 <norbert79_xchat> reminds me a bit of Verdana/Tahoma
19:38:06 <cayce> my standards are: Inconsolata for programming/monospace, Liberation Serif for serif, and Liberation Sans for sans
19:38:10 <norbert79_xchat> but it's for monospace
19:38:11 <cayce> they're all absolutely gorgeous
19:38:24 <norbert79_xchat> Well, I prefer a Windows like look
19:38:30 <norbert79_xchat> so I use Tahoma at 8pt
19:38:35 <MK_FG> Oh, Liberation Sans is actually quite good
19:38:54 <cayce> man the hinting on this inconsolata-ghc is funky as hell
19:39:04 <cayce> this font isn't supposed to be hinted, but they did
19:39:05 <cayce> damn
19:39:13 <norbert79_xchat> Hinting depends on your settings.. :)
19:39:16 <MK_FG> I considered it as a replecement for luxi sans, but decided that they're both fine ;)
19:39:17 <norbert79_xchat> So YMMV
19:39:20 <cayce> no
19:39:55 <cayce> you have to have hinting turned on, but if the person who made the font didn't hint the font all your OS can do is antialias it
19:40:14 <cayce> which looks very very different than a hinted font
19:40:18 <cayce> inconsolata is not a hinted font
19:40:28 <cayce> but this derivitive has been hinted and it's really fucking with my head
19:40:29 <cayce> lol
19:40:44 <cayce> looks gorgeous, but it's jarring
19:40:44 <cayce> lol
19:40:59 <cayce> j90djs0aj0sdja Oo IilLdDbB
19:41:05 <cayce> so sexy, jeez
19:41:09 <norbert79_xchat> Well, meh, looks simple to me... But it has some nice touch...
19:41:14 <norbert79_xchat> let's give it a shot
19:41:24 <cayce> https://github.com/vansanblch/Inconsolata-LGC
19:41:32 <cayce> that one has ttf's
19:41:43 <norbert79_xchat> I am fine with OTF too
19:41:47 <norbert79_xchat> Not from Windows
19:41:47 <cayce> inconsolata-dz, that's very much the original with a slight modification
19:41:53 <cayce> I am not either
19:42:13 <cayce> -dz has vertical quotes
19:42:16 <cayce> which is wonderful
19:42:33 <cayce> yeah okay I'm already in love with this
19:42:35 <cayce> jesus
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19:44:55 <norbert79_xchat> meh, the font looks bad on Xchat2
19:45:20 <norbert79_xchat> Too small
19:45:28 <cayce> well since your OS renders and not the app
19:45:37 <cayce> choose a more appropriate size then
19:45:44 <norbert79_xchat> nope, 8pt is my size
19:45:47 <norbert79_xchat> no exceptions :)
19:45:55 <cayce> I'm on Inconsolata-LGC 11pt
19:46:01 <norbert79_xchat> too much for me
19:46:07 <cayce> then quit bitching
19:46:28 <norbert79_xchat> You are the one going jerky about one font, not me... I gave it a try, didn't work... :)
19:47:19 <cayce> worked perfectly, you just didn't like it
19:47:35 <cayce> you bitch to us about self-imposed arbitrary constraints
19:47:42 <cayce> and expect me to have sympathy?
19:47:42 <cayce> no
19:47:49 <norbert79_xchat> Get a life... :)
19:47:52 <norbert79_xchat> Seriously
19:47:54 <cayce> never!
19:48:14 <cayce> oooh that exclamation mark is weird
19:49:25 <norbert79_xchat> FixedsysExcelsior 3.01 is nice too
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20:34:29 <ElectRo`> holy lag batman
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20:37:30 <ElectRo`> .ping
20:37:30 <botpie91> Ping failed. Are you sure you specified a valid hostname or IP?
20:37:49 <DrWhat> .ping 127.0.0.1
20:37:51 <botpie91> Response times: 0.025ms, 0.02ms, 0.017ms, 0.021ms
20:37:53 <botpie91> Statistics: min 0.017, avg 0.02, max 0.025, mdev 0.006, packet loss 0%
20:38:01 <DrWhat> thats not good
20:38:13 <ElectRo`> does ctcp work here
20:38:14 <DrWhat> .ping 192.168.0.2
20:38:26 <botpie91> Response times:
20:38:27 <botpie91> Ping failed. Are you sure you specified a valid hostname or IP?
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20:53:32 <DrWhat> MACBETH
20:53:39 <DrWhat> You fucker
20:54:07 <Macbeth> Can I help you with something?
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21:43:12 <Zoned> dem fgts at leb
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21:58:19 * x giggles
22:01:22 <cayce> :3
22:09:43 <DrWhat> :D
22:09:56 <DrWhat> HEARTS
22:10:55 <DrWhat> Im waiting for venice unleashed to come out
22:10:59 <DrWhat> IM BE SO HAPPY
22:12:32 <DrWhat> http://veniceunleashed.net/images/EnlistmentInforgraphic.png
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22:14:42 <DrWhat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5-W9wkwFW4
22:14:49 <DrWhat> thats one sexy loading screen
22:20:43 <Zoned> :P
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22:29:13 <MK_FG> Unlike most irc-art, hearts above seem to look better with var-width font than with mono-
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22:37:01 <Macbeth> Hai
22:37:18 <Macbeth> Anyone know an email for wordpress?
22:37:26 <Macbeth> I did support@ and didn't get a response.
22:37:41 <cayce> er?
22:37:52 <cayce> like to report a vuln or something?
22:37:55 <Macbeth> I got locked outta macb37h.wordpress.com
22:38:00 <Macbeth> I need to reset my password.
22:38:13 <cayce> probably a web thing for that
22:38:16 <Macbeth> On top of that, I got banned from twitter, so my username is locked @macb37h and I can't get it back.
22:38:28 <cayce> looks like you're batting 1000
22:38:38 <Macbeth> And they only have contats us forms on their pages for premium users, and I can't even log in
22:38:50 <Macbeth> So it's been an awesome week
22:39:00 <MK_FG> Macbeth, http://en.support.wordpress.com/contact/
22:39:25 <cayce> google gives me https://en.wordpress.com/wp-login.php?action=lostpassword
22:39:48 <Macbeth> Yeah, but I used my10minutemail so I can't reset :P
22:39:53 <MK_FG> I found it from https://en.wordpress.com/tos/ -> http://en.support.wordpress.com/
22:40:08 <cayce> then you have nobody to blame
22:40:28 <Macbeth> Yeah, I don't blame anyone, but they don't respond to emails which sort of pisses me off.
22:40:37 <MK_FG> Get +1 one-time account maybe and contact from that?
22:40:38 <Macbeth> Thanks anyway, guys :)
22:40:46 <Macbeth> good idea
22:41:13 <cayce> lol grab the same mail
22:41:22 <cayce> if you can get the same moniker again
22:41:34 <Macbeth> I don't even remember the email address
22:42:10 <MK_FG> Maybe have it in browser history?
22:42:24 <Macbeth> I use TOR
22:42:34 <Macbeth> XD
22:42:40 <Macbeth> I'm totally fucked up ha ha
22:43:10 <MK_FG> TorBrowser, I guess
22:44:52 <Macbeth> Yes
22:45:07 <MK_FG> How'd you prove them that it's your account?
22:45:28 <MK_FG> With tor ip, random mail, not knowing passowrd...
22:45:29 <Macbeth> I said that I registered w/ 10minutemail that only i would know
22:45:53 <Macbeth> i said that i would have no motive since there is no stats, except mine that i use to check my changes
22:46:01 <Macbeth> But making a new account and contacting is a good idea
22:52:24 <DrWhat> macbeth do ' or 1='1 for user and password ' and 1=0#
23:02:07 <Macbeth> What?
23:02:13 <Macbeth> Can you pls use ""?
23:02:23 * Macbeth is away: macb37h.wordpress.com
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23:37:32 <Macbeth> DrWhat Can you elaborate on that point, please?
23:38:01 <DrWhat> what point
23:38:16 <Macbeth> <DrWhat> macbeth do ' or 1='1 for user and password ' and 1=0#
23:38:22 <Macbeth> Can you format that plase?
23:38:45 <DrWhat> noob
23:38:49 <DrWhat> ^_^
23:39:19 <Macbeth> He he
23:39:28 <Macbeth> No, I just don't understand what you are saying.
23:46:47 <mikaa> Macbeth, try https://macb37h.wordpress.com/wp-login.php?action=recovery
23:46:59 <DrWhat> thats a good start
23:49:40 <Macbeth> Thanks, this looks great
23:49:51 <Macbeth> You guys are epic :3
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