Cryto! 15 September 2013
00:42:57 <iceTwy> effective communication:
00:42:58 <iceTwy> http://www.businessinsider.com/red-hat-ceo-cussing-at-employees-2013-9
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12:18:26 <iceTwy> lol this is crazy
12:18:34 <iceTwy> RootNerds answered a support ticket at 4:30AM
12:18:46 <iceTwy> (German time, so that'd be the same timezone as mine)
12:18:51 * iceTwy approves
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14:58:14 <joepie92> <iceTwy>effective communication:
14:58:14 <joepie92> <iceTwy>http://www.businessinsider.com/red-hat-ceo-cussing-at-employees-2013-9
14:58:17 <joepie92> this doesn't surprise me
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16:07:55 <iceTwy> joepie92: heh
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16:16:15 <joepie92> iceTwy: xmpp!
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20:04:04 <iceTwy> joepie92: are you ever going to change SSL certs
20:04:13 <iceTwy> for IRC servers on *.cryto.net?
20:04:21 <joepie92> iceTwy: maaaaybe.
20:04:26 <iceTwy> Valid since Aug 9 11:06:23 2011 GMT to Aug 8 11:06:23 2012 GMT
20:04:28 <joepie92> also, hai, this is me: http://i.imgur.com/YUJYEBQ.jpg
20:04:29 <iceTwy> LET ALONE THE FACT THAT...
20:04:34 <joepie92> huh, what?
20:04:35 <iceTwy> Public key algorithm: rsaEncryption (1024 bits)
20:04:36 <joepie92> expired?
20:04:42 <iceTwy> haless.cryto.net is expired
20:04:43 <iceTwy> lol
20:04:44 <joepie92> hum
20:04:49 <joepie92> will fix some time soon
20:04:49 <joepie92> lol
20:05:09 <iceTwy> that long hair
20:05:10 <iceTwy> makes you look
20:05:12 <iceTwy> like Assange
20:05:18 <iceTwy> I'll never stop saying it
20:05:18 <iceTwy> lol
20:06:26 <joepie92> :|
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20:17:00 <MK_FG> Wat, there are irc clients that check ssl certs!?
20:18:08 <iceTwy> yes?
20:18:12 <iceTwy> HexChat?
20:18:20 <iceTwy> MK_FG: ^
20:18:50 <MK_FG> Clearly it goes against best practices
20:19:00 <MK_FG> Or rather "industry standard"
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20:22:05 <iceTwy> Well, no
20:22:21 <iceTwy> Maybe it does, but what's the utility of SSL certs if they can't be validated
20:22:32 <iceTwy> purpose*
20:23:09 <MK_FG> Sense of security while allowing for lawful apprehension of terrorists, of course
20:31:03 <joepie92> iceTwy: encryption.
20:32:13 <iceTwy> yeah
20:32:33 <iceTwy> but encryption is pretty much useless if the identity of a party isn't validated
20:32:41 <iceTwy> it's exactly the same problem there is w/ PGP
20:33:08 <joepie92> iceTwy: it's a problem with anything
20:33:11 <joepie92> pretty much
20:33:11 <MK_FG> Only useless if you're targetted
20:33:12 <iceTwy> yes
20:33:14 <iceTwy> including SSL
20:33:16 <joepie92> honestly, validation hardly helps
20:33:26 <joepie92> if at all
20:33:37 <iceTwy> hmm
20:33:40 <MK_FG> Otherwise go decrypt old traffic dumps out there, gl
20:33:57 <joepie92> the parties that are capable of MITMing you but not accessing your RAM on your machine, already have the ability to sign arbitrary validated certificates anyway
20:33:59 <joepie92> basically
20:34:01 <MK_FG> Plus, if it's good tls, might even have dh there :P
20:34:10 <joepie92> it just kind of doesn't really help
20:34:10 <joepie92> :P
20:34:42 <MK_FG> Unless you're paranoid enough to have some pinning and act on it
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21:24:18 <lysobit> mIRC checks certs validity
21:24:29 <lysobit> MIRC IS BEST CLIENT
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22:03:56 <Zoned> LOL
22:03:59 <Zoned> mIRC I'm done.
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22:15:32 <iceTwy> what do ya mean Zoned
22:15:40 <Zoned> oh nothing
22:15:47 <Zoned> I can't believe people use mirc.
22:15:49 <Zoned> that's all
22:16:03 <iceTwy> eh :/
22:16:09 <iceTwy> it's just the most popular IRC client
22:16:11 <iceTwy> I mean
22:16:15 <iceTwy> with all the background it's got
22:16:21 <Zoned> I challenge that statement.
22:16:23 <iceTwy> reconnecting
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22:18:44 <iceTwy> err
22:18:52 <iceTwy> takes too long to connect on Cryto :/
22:18:56 <iceTwy> anyhow Zoned
22:19:05 <Zoned> lel
22:19:06 <iceTwy> yeah, you can very well change this statement
22:19:10 <iceTwy> but you get my point
22:19:16 <Zoned> and I'd just like to challenge the statement on most popular.
22:19:23 <iceTwy> mIRC is known to be, sorta, /the/ IRC client
22:19:26 <iceTwy> because yeah
22:19:34 <Zoned> I'd like to see hard documented facts that more then 50% of the WHOLE WORDS population uses it.
22:19:41 <Zoned> Once you do that I will accept the statement.
22:19:59 <iceTwy> no, but
22:20:01 <iceTwy> like
22:20:04 <iceTwy> back in the years
22:20:31 <MK_FG> It doesn't take 50% at the same time to be most popular if there are >2 of them
22:20:47 <Zoned> Still, where is the proof?
22:21:00 <MK_FG> I've seen more xChat users than mIRCs
22:21:17 <Zoned> I use xChat
22:21:52 <Zoned> joepie91 not hard lel
22:22:00 <Zoned> joepie92 not hard lel
22:22:01 <Zoned> *
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22:22:29 <MK_FG> They don't make them like 91 anymore...
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22:24:53 <iceTwy> loggy, pointer?
22:24:53 <loggy> http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-09-15#T22-24-53
22:25:19 <iceTwy> joepie92: this is weird.
22:25:33 <iceTwy> either CrytoCC is the first network I'm connected to when HexChat is launched
22:25:38 <iceTwy> or it's the latest
22:25:43 <iceTwy> erm
22:25:45 <iceTwy> last
22:25:47 <joepie92> heh
22:25:51 <joepie92> also, iceTwy, xmpp! :P
22:29:48 <Zoned> lel sec
22:29:49 <Zoned> msg me
22:30:06 <iceTwy> sec
22:30:07 <iceTwy> being a retard
22:30:20 <Zoned> lol
23:14:32 <lysobit> [23:15:50] <Zoned> I can't believe people use mirc.
23:14:32 <lysobit> [23:15:52] <Zoned> that's all
23:14:43 <lysobit> say what you will, but honestly it's the best client
23:15:06 <lysobit> if I ever need to IRC on Linux, then I'll run mIRC under Wine :)
23:15:41 <lysobit> I can't stand XChat, HexChat, *Chat
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23:16:30 <lysobit> plus XChat is insecure, a while back I accidentally managed to make half the channel quit by pasting some random string of unicode chars
23:18:47 <lysobit> mIRC is the only interface that I can stand that's manageable with many channels open. All of the other IRC interfaces I've tried, are quite frankly, aweful, so I gave up and went back to mIRC
23:23:55 <lysobit> btw Zoned, XChat hasn't been updated for 3 years and is unmaintained, it would probably be a good idea to use HexChat, which is an updated fork
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23:27:33 <lysobit> (actually looking at the new HexChat interface, it looks fairly nice and more customizable)
23:49:54 <Zoned> nice