Cryto! 11 September 2013

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00:55:39 <cayce> urg
00:56:01 <cayce> I made an account on the example implementation (identica replacement software) and I hate it already
00:56:22 <cayce> it has no outside integration... so I'm trying to play their little farm game and I've already lost money because I have no way to check the site
00:56:51 <cayce> It can't notify me of anything
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13:01:46 <lysobit> too lazy to take a passport-style photo
13:01:53 <lysobit> so i photoshopped myself out of an old one :)
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14:14:34 <joepie91> lysobit: I feel like I'm missing context
14:15:32 <lysobit> I needed to take a passport-style photo for an "ID card"
14:15:37 <lysobit> but I was too lazy to do so
14:15:57 <lysobit> so I photoshopped myself out of an outdoor photo, onto a white background
14:17:09 <cayce> I'm dreading getting a passport
14:17:26 <cayce> they're gonna want my birth certificate or something and my mom has the only copy
14:18:26 <lysobit> [15:11] <GSport> i have a windows xp cdrom that from an older computer i guess it will have to do
14:18:27 <lysobit> 01[15:12] <lysobit> you really haven't heard of torrents, have you?
14:18:27 <lysobit> 01[15:12] <lysobit> legal torrents, that is, for like, ubuntu :)
14:18:27 <lysobit> [15:12] <GSport> thats NSA spyware
14:18:27 <lysobit> [15:12] <GSport> i dont like ubuntu
14:18:27 <lysobit> 03[15:13] * s0urD ( has joined ##windows
14:18:27 <lysobit> 01[15:13] <lysobit> because it's NSA spyware?
14:18:27 <lysobit> [15:13] <lewellyn> everyone should run openbsd anyhow.
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14:18:30 <lysobit> [15:13] <GSport> the computer is certified for windows not ubuntu
14:18:33 <lysobit> brain = exploded
14:20:47 <norbert79> Had to laugh...
14:20:51 <norbert79> Seriously
14:20:57 <cayce> I don't even
14:21:08 <cayce> "Alright fine, debian, but still"
14:21:21 <norbert79> No, I mean: the computer is certified for Windows...
14:21:30 <norbert79> If he would have said: IS compatible with...
14:21:31 <cayce> shhh
14:21:33 <norbert79> but no...
14:21:34 <cayce> stop ruining it
14:21:36 <norbert79> CERTIFIED
14:21:37 <cayce> stahp
14:21:40 <cayce> stahp
14:22:04 <norbert79> I highly doubt I could ruin this further :o)
14:22:17 <cayce> You tried pretty fuckin hard
14:22:20 <cayce> I don't doubt it
14:23:29 <norbert79> cayce: I just wanted to find something positive, figuring out if it was a freudian slip, but analysing the data, I can say:
14:23:47 <lysobit> wow
14:23:50 <lysobit> i just realised
14:23:59 <lysobit> he looks like that girl from big band theory
14:24:03 <lysobit> amy
14:24:13 <lysobit> bang*
14:24:18 <norbert79> Meh, maybe, but the character is a bit older, than Bing Bang Theory
14:24:22 <norbert79> :)
14:24:34 <cayce> wtb big band theory
14:24:34 <norbert79> but yeah, they are looking pretty much similar
14:25:02 <cayce> why you hide links to deviantart
14:25:09 <cayce> like I don't know how to use bitly
14:25:09 <cayce> e.e
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14:25:14 <norbert79> cayce: Because I hate long URL-s
14:25:28 <norbert79> cayce: here, have the real address:
14:25:29 * cayce +'s ALL THE THINGS
14:25:41 <norbert79> satisified?
14:25:49 <cayce> never o.o
14:25:52 <lysobit>
14:26:10 <cayce> I'm stirring my coffee with a spoon made entirely of plant fiber, how can I be satisfied
14:26:21 <lysobit>
14:26:27 <cayce> yes I know that one too
14:26:33 <lysobit> it's p. cool
14:26:37 <cayce> :>
14:26:39 <cayce> yep
14:27:07 <cayce> coincidentally, I do not recommend spoons made entirely of plant fiber
14:27:16 <cayce> damn things may be environementally friendly, but they're soft
14:27:19 <cayce> that's fucking annoying
14:27:36 <cayce> also it's fixing the wrong problem e.e
14:28:47 <cayce> mmmm, new bitly graphs are sexy
14:29:22 <cayce> whaaaaaat? historical hourly breakdowns? YEEEEE
14:30:53 <joepie91> lysobit: that photoshop trick wouldn't do here
14:31:03 <joepie91> we have incredibly stringent rules for what a passport photo can and cannot look like
14:31:05 <joepie91> and/or ID card photo
14:31:24 <joepie91> the chance that a random casual picture satisfies those requirements is basically 0
14:31:42 <lysobit> then I photoshop myself to statisfy those requirements :p
14:31:54 <norbert79> joepie91: In my country photos are made locally where you ask for a passport or an ID
14:31:59 <lysobit> also, this photo seems to satisfy most requirements, straight-looking, no smile etc.
14:32:03 <norbert79> joepie91: They don't accept anything else
14:32:04 <cayce> I'd just submit a photo of the word "DICKS" scrawled across the picture in comic sans
14:32:16 <lysobit> lol
14:32:44 <cayce> yeah man, post office does passport photos
14:32:48 <norbert79> joepie91: So if you have the task of making a passport right the next day after some huge ass party, and you look wasted, you will look wasted on your ID/passport too :)
14:33:49 <joepie91> norbert79: the same here, but using automated photo boots
14:33:55 <joepie91> and looking wasted will probably get your photo rejected
14:34:02 <norbert79> hah
14:34:03 <joepie91> also
14:34:13 <norbert79> They don't care, well, not much around here
14:34:14 <joepie91> we just had an impromptu test of the smoke detectors
14:34:16 <joepie91> ...they work...
14:34:19 * joepie91 takes hands off ears
14:34:24 <norbert79> Haha
14:34:26 <norbert79> I feel with you
14:34:31 <joepie91> housemate cooked some food, and it appears to have burned
14:34:33 <joepie91> and window wasn't opened
14:34:35 <joepie91> so.. yeah
14:34:41 <joepie91> but they're clearly sensitive enough lol
14:35:00 <joepie91> man, my ears still ring a bit
14:35:14 <joepie91> oh well, better than no smoke detectors
14:35:17 <norbert79> Agree
14:35:20 <joepie91> (which we had a few months ago..)
14:35:23 <joepie91> (and a fire..)
14:35:26 <norbert79> fff
14:35:29 <norbert79> Damage?
14:35:33 <joepie91> damage was one couch
14:35:37 <joepie91> the couch that was on fire
14:35:37 <norbert79> heh, lucky
14:35:42 <joepie91> somehow fire dept managed to put it out
14:35:45 <norbert79> could have been worse
14:35:46 <joepie91> with zero damage to other stuff
14:35:50 <joepie91> no water damage or anything
14:35:52 <norbert79> aye, well done
14:35:53 <joepie91> no idea how they did it
14:35:56 <joepie91> but skills
14:36:01 <norbert79> yeah, special equipment for light fires
14:36:06 <norbert79> they spray the water
14:36:06 <joepie91> I guess
14:36:18 <norbert79> My father used to be a firefighter for 31 years
14:36:19 <joepie91> either way, it was a very unpleasant fire
14:36:24 <joepie91> due to 0smoke
14:36:25 <joepie91> smoke *
14:36:35 <joepie91> it was all foam and plastic, that couch
14:36:37 <joepie91> stuff like that
14:36:45 <joepie91> so one housemate had some serious breathing problems for a day or two
14:36:57 <joepie91> but not bad enough to warrant hospital (according to ambulance)
14:37:06 <joepie91> norbert79: aha
14:38:34 <cayce> this may be the first house I've been in where we didn't disable the fire alarms
14:38:35 <cayce> haha
14:38:50 <joepie91> lol
14:38:57 <cayce> but I think it's cause we don't have any
14:38:58 <joepie91> cayce: seriously, keep them turned on
14:39:02 <joepie91> ... oh
14:39:04 <cayce> um
14:39:15 <cayce> yeah, no
14:39:21 <cayce> there's uh tons of smoke in the house, often
14:39:50 <cayce> fire alarms assume you don't have smoke very often
14:39:52 <cayce> false assumption
14:39:53 <cayce> :/
14:40:09 <joepie91> hang them in places where intentional smoke doesn't come
14:40:09 <cayce> now a carbon monoxide detector might be useful
14:40:11 <joepie91> anyway
14:40:21 <joepie91> I have to say that these smoke detectors are remarkably loud
14:40:45 <joepie91> basically at the loudness level of a usual office fire alarm system
14:40:47 <cayce> oh, there's one behind me
14:40:48 <joepie91> which is.. very loud
14:40:49 <cayce> neat
14:40:52 <cayce> I wonder if it works
14:40:59 <joepie91> and very unusual for store-bought detectors
14:40:59 <joepie91> :|
14:41:15 <joepie91> oh well
14:41:19 <joepie91> won't sleep through it anyway
14:47:32 <norbert79> Depends on the contract
14:59:04 <cayce> ever play number munchers?
14:59:09 <cayce> twist:
14:59:44 <joepie91>!/api
15:00:15 <cayce> that was very slow to load
15:01:26 <cayce> I dunno why, but my favorite thing about python was always being able to do import Ti.Database.DB as DB
15:01:34 <cayce> so I can just DB.method everything
15:02:04 <cayce> Every time I use one of those methods I flail my arms around and yell "IT'S MAGIC"
15:03:55 <joepie91> cayce: which, if I understand Tides shared scope implementation
15:03:58 <joepie91> is basically what you can do
15:05:17 <joepie91> also, cayce
15:05:22 <joepie91> javascript allows that anyway
15:05:31 <joepie91> var DB = Ti.Database.DB
15:06:12 <cayce> yeah
15:06:16 <cayce> but I can't read javascript
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15:08:31 <joepie91> cayce: javascript is really really easy to read
15:08:42 <joepie91> the basic syntax is about as simple as it gets
15:09:30 <joepie91> C-style blocks (ie. { } ), always use ; at the end of a statement (even though it's not required), basic conditionals and loops like in C (afaik), foreach(x in collection) where x is the key and not the value
15:09:36 <joepie91> var blah = blah; defines a variable in current scope
15:09:42 <joepie91> and everything is an object - including functions
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15:09:50 <joepie91> that's pretty much all you need to know to read JS
15:09:51 <joepie91> :p
15:10:06 <joepie91> syntax-wise
15:10:24 <joepie91> also JS has prototypical inheritance but you don't need to know nor understand that until you start doing more complex stuff
15:11:07 <MK_FG> And then you look at some $('-magic-').watever({stuf stuff stuuuffff}).moar_magic(function() { function() { function() {.... and go "WTF!? IT WAS SO SIMPLE!!!!" :P
15:13:00 <joepie91> MK_FG: that's jQuery, not Javascript
15:13:10 <joepie91> jQuery has more or less invented its own syntax
15:13:12 <joepie91> which is fine
15:13:16 <joepie91> but not standard javascript :P
15:13:50 <joepie91> and understanding jquery basically means that you know what callbacks are, know what "chaining" is, and understand that everything jQuery is done from $ (or the jQuery object, as $ is just an alias)
15:14:04 <MK_FG> Standard js also has dom and it's own magical apis used in all teh codes
15:14:21 <MK_FG> Which is why it's not ecmascript, I think
15:14:28 <joepie91> ("chaining" being returning the operated-on object in the operating function so that you can literally chain methods on the output of other methods, all operating on the same object in a row)
15:14:45 <joepie91> MK_FG: while that's correct, that's only really relevant for writing JS
15:14:51 <joepie91> when reading JS, you can pretty much guess what stuff does
15:14:59 <joepie91> hence only focusing on syntax above
15:16:03 <zxcvbnm> morning chumps and chumpettes
15:16:19 <MK_FG> *and chump-aliens
15:16:24 <zxcvbnm> ^
15:16:27 <zxcvbnm> sry
15:16:30 <zxcvbnm> :)
15:16:35 <joepie91> ohai :)
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15:21:26 * cayce grumbles about being unable to find schoolwork
15:24:28 <zxcvbnm> did anyone else read the white paper on GPU keyboard buffer interception ?
15:24:33 <cayce> downside: can't find the h/w to turn in
15:24:37 <cayce> upside: room is clean
15:44:00 <cayce> time for expert level bullshit
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17:55:23 <joepie91>
17:56:51 <cayce> heh
18:41:22 <lysobit> wtf is a web scientist?
18:41:33 <lysobit> you can put 'scientist' in front everything these days
18:46:17 <cayce> dunno
18:46:35 <cayce> I know what a data scientist is, but that's because hmason made sure everyone knew what her job was
18:46:52 <MK_FG> In ye olde days we studied real sciences, like flat earth as cener of the universe as god created it
18:48:03 <lysobit>
18:48:40 <lysobit> actually I wish it is acceptable for programmers to be called computer scientist
18:48:52 <lysobit> s
18:49:11 <MK_FG> Nah, it implies thinking
18:49:14 <lysobit> but they're engineers really
18:49:41 <lysobit> hm you're right, programming doesn't really involve thinking
18:50:22 <cayce> ^
18:50:26 <MK_FG> It's a (not so-) well-kept secret of teh craft
18:50:29 <cayce> I was gonna be a computer scientist
18:50:33 <lysobit> though I don't think academic Computer Science is really science, it's more engineering
18:50:37 <cayce> and then I realized it's just algorithm design and analysis
18:50:43 <cayce> and fuck that, I'd rather be a systems analyst
18:51:16 <MK_FG> Hmm
18:52:35 <MK_FG> Is "analyst" really a thing in computer/net-related stuff?
18:52:47 <cayce> that's what we were doing in compsci
18:52:58 <cayce> systems analyst doesn't necessarily have anything to do with computers
18:53:19 <lysobit> MK_FG: I'm totally copying your blog title for my blog.
18:53:26 <MK_FG> That sounds fishy...
18:53:35 <cayce> analysing gridlocked companies and implementing more efficient process is an example of systems analysis
18:53:53 <cayce> well, usually you recommend changes and they ignore them
18:53:54 <cayce> lol
18:53:57 <MK_FG> Like "<whatever> analyst that doesn't have to do anything with <whatever>"...
18:54:27 <MK_FG> lysobit, How did you even find it?
18:54:32 <cayce> GOOGLE
18:54:37 <MK_FG> ...and maybe more importantly, WHY!?!?
18:54:47 <lysobit> MK_FG: stalking is acceptable now.
18:54:56 <lysobit> MK_FG: people always do it to me on freenode
18:54:57 <MK_FG> Google knows my nick, what an honor \o/
18:54:59 <lysobit> so deal with it
18:55:18 <lysobit> actually I googled your full name :
18:55:19 <lysobit> :p
18:55:35 <MK_FG> Oh crap, I probably typed it somewhere on teh ircs
18:55:44 <MK_FG> There goes my privacy
18:55:46 <cayce> oh my god why is the test submit thing a file upload
18:55:55 <cayce> I can't give you an odt you faggots
18:55:56 <lysobit> nah I just /whoised you
18:55:57 <cayce> AHHHHHH
18:58:04 <cayce> okay
18:58:07 <cayce> fuckin pdf'd it
18:58:08 <cayce> e.e
19:06:49 <cayce> joepie91:) quick! what's yum's name for ssh client
19:07:12 <lysobit> openssh maybe
19:07:39 <cayce> erg
19:07:43 <cayce> I can't find the command e.e
19:08:12 <cayce> oh
19:08:14 <cayce> openssh-clients
19:08:17 <cayce> derp
19:08:53 <cayce> sorry had to get ssh working on centos quickly before I suddenly appear 300 miles away
19:09:00 <cayce> gonna set up somebody's server for em
19:10:27 <cayce> also ugh centos with selinux on enforcing
19:10:39 <cayce> this is gonna make me rage at some point
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19:36:51 <zxcvbnm> hey, does anyone know whats happening behind the scene in Python when you use "with open"
19:36:57 <zxcvbnm> i.e. why don't I have to close a file
19:40:24 <MK_FG> "with" does "try: ... finally: close()" basically
19:40:53 <zxcvbnm> i found ze answer
19:40:55 <zxcvbnm> Now, when the .with. statement is executed, Python evaluates the expression, calls the __enter__ method on the resulting value (which is called a .context guard.), and assigns whatever __enter__ returns to the variable given by as. Python will then execute the code body, and no matter what happens in that code, call the guard object.s __exit__ method.
19:41:11 <zxcvbnm> so yes, basically :D
19:41:38 <MK_FG> There's handy contextlib.contextmanager to do that literally, instead of "basically" :P
19:44:55 <joepie91> cayce: holiday?
19:45:11 <joepie91> <lysobit>you can put 'scientist' in front everything these days
19:45:12 <joepie91> behind!
19:45:38 <lysobit> scientist web?
19:45:42 <joepie91> <lysobit>hm you're right, programming doesn't really involve thinking
19:45:42 <joepie91> wat
19:45:44 * MK_FG checks behind his shoulder - nope, no scientist there
19:46:01 <lysobit> joepie91: at first I was being sarcastic, but actually I just realized it's true
19:46:36 <lysobit> joepie91: there's a difference between "programmer" and "software developer/engineer"
19:46:37 <joepie91> lysobit: no, you put "scientist" behind everything
19:46:44 <joepie91> you may have "behind" and "in front" mixed up :P
19:46:56 <iceTwy> or
19:47:03 <iceTwy> how to own Cryto & Snoonet & w/e
19:47:03 <iceTwy>
19:47:44 <cayce> joepie91:) no
19:48:02 <joepie91> lysobit: eh.
19:48:19 <joepie91> yes, there is a difference between it, but programmer definitely requires thinking
19:48:21 <joepie91> er
19:48:23 <joepie91> programming
19:48:26 <joepie91> (so does making sentences!)
19:48:38 <joepie91> iceTwy: that's hardly "owning $network"
19:48:46 <cayce> joepie91:) a lady is speaking north of here, so I'm couch surfing afterwards because I can't be back in time for class
19:48:47 <iceTwy> well okay
19:48:48 <iceTwy> but
19:48:48 <iceTwy> ;p
19:48:53 <joepie91> that's "owning $user on $network who doesn't understand that you shouldn't be discussing private stuff on IRC in the first place"
19:49:05 <joepie91> cayce: aha
19:49:20 <cayce> :3
19:49:30 <cayce> might go to a party thursday night? dunno
19:49:32 <lysobit> joepie91: you should consider someone calling you a "programmer" an insult
19:49:33 <cayce> suddenly: EVERYWHERE
19:49:41 <iceTwy> lol cayce
19:49:48 <joepie91> lysobit: not really, no
19:49:54 <iceTwy> I went to the gym again today
19:50:00 <cayce> going to berkely, staying in oakland, partying in SF
19:50:01 <iceTwy> fuck, wish I could go there every day of the week
19:50:05 <cayce> this sounds like my kind of 48 hours
19:50:06 <lysobit> trying to find a good article I read that explains this well.
19:51:34 <MK_FG> lysobit, Even if programming is subset of some grander "software whatever", it doesn't have to be an insult, and probably isn't meant as such by most people who use the word
19:52:36 <lysobit> MK_FG: true
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19:59:14 <lysobit> anyway, I can't find the article
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20:02:01 <lysobit> but anyway to me "programmer" implies a sheep who writes code, often a cog in a corporation, executing orders from their superiors. but software development is more than that, it's about solving problems and innovation
20:03:06 <MK_FG> Don't these "cogs" do the same thing? Developing, inventing and fixing some in-house solutions for problems set before them?
20:03:40 <MK_FG> Like, "we need a system in place to monitor all workers"
20:03:42 <joepie91> lysobit: cogs still think
20:03:54 <joepie91> non-thinking people that enter stuff on a keyboard as instructed is what we could call "typists"
20:03:55 <joepie91> ;)
20:04:17 <MK_FG> I call it "finereader"
20:04:50 <lysobit> joepie91: sometimes as much thinking as someone manufacturing shoes in a sweatshop
20:05:22 <joepie91> lysobit: not really, they just work according to a template
20:06:08 <lysobit> joepie91: consider, for example your job is to convert photoshop templates to HTML and CSS
20:06:18 <lysobit> that's pretty damn menial
20:06:22 <MK_FG> Maybe the difference is that they do less looking for problems, more solving
20:07:19 <joepie91> lysobit: that... isn't exactly programming
20:07:30 <joepie91> programming involves logic
20:07:38 <joepie91> HTML and CSS are not logic languages
20:08:19 <lysobit> joepie91: okay, including some JS to make the UI nicer, and some PHP to add a comment box and a search box
20:08:35 <joepie91> that would be very limited programming, and does indeed require thinking
20:08:37 <lysobit> it's still quite menial
20:10:45 <lysobit> everything requires "thinking"; let's not argue over the definition of thinking, but I suppose what I mean is programming can imply a menial, repetitive, uncreative task
20:13:15 <MK_FG> "creative" meaning "doesn't know how to implement the solution in enough detail from the start"?
20:14:15 <lysobit> it depends on what you mean by "solution"
20:14:28 <lysobit> but necessarily, you can know how to implement a search box and its still uncreative
20:14:48 <MK_FG> I was thinking of the resulting code that will be deployed/shipped
20:15:17 <MK_FG> So yeah, most webdev folks know basically everything needed step-by-step after getting the task
20:15:27 <MK_FG> ...given enough repetitive xp
20:15:36 * cayce flees
20:15:43 <MK_FG> Which I think should qualify as "uncreative"
20:16:36 <MK_FG> Same can probably be said about any repetitive tasks in programming?
20:16:52 <MK_FG> ...or "software development" :P
20:17:49 <lysobit> not necessarily, take anonnews for example, it's a web dev project, but it's still "creative" because it's a conceptual solution to a problem thought of by joepie
20:18:37 <MK_FG> Yeah, there was no clear task, problem had to be found, not a solution ;)
20:20:52 <lysobit> yeah, "no clear task" is perhaps the key thing. software development is also about thinking of concepts to solve problems, those concepts are then implemented by programming
20:22:43 <cayce> I see a lot of people creating delineations where there aren't necessarily any
20:22:46 * cayce actually runs
20:23:01 <MK_FG> ^ that :P
20:23:30 <MK_FG> But maybe different words for these activities indeed are useful
20:23:33 <lysobit> then perhaps it's more of my idea of what it should be
20:23:38 <lysobit> rather than what it actually is
20:23:55 <MK_FG> Note though that probably almost-everyone is switching between the two all the time
20:24:00 <lysobit> yeah
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20:28:31 <MK_FG> Um, ebay adding bitcoins O_O
20:29:02 <lysobit> haha
20:29:03 <lysobit> nice one
20:29:06 <lysobit> nice joke
20:29:20 <MK_FG>
20:29:27 <MK_FG> Not in "instead of paypal" sense though
20:29:50 <MK_FG> But apparently they removed the section as soon as ppl noticed ;)
20:30:18 <lysobit> bitcoins through paypal?
20:30:29 <joepie91> lysobit: the paypal CEO has expressed interest in BTC
20:30:30 <joepie91> iirc
20:30:53 <joepie91>
20:31:32 <lysobit> seems counterproductive since bitcoin is supposed to eliminate middlemen
20:31:53 <cayce> paypal has brand awareness and wishes to reduce chargeback risk
20:32:10 * cayce waits on ride
20:33:02 <lysobit> I have about 30BTC that I can't access :(
20:33:32 <lysobit> half of it is on a bitcoin exchange site that I forgot the pass to, from 2 years ago
20:33:48 <MK_FG> Optional mediation might be nice, esp. in case of shipped stuff
20:33:55 <lysobit> and the other half is on AES encrypted on a gmail account that I forgot the pass to and I can't recover, also from 2 years ago
20:34:20 <cayce> you're pretty good at losing 3 grand
20:34:26 <lysobit> thx
20:34:42 <cayce> If I ever get 3k, I'll give it to you if I want it creatively lost
20:34:56 <lysobit> <3
20:35:12 <cayce> <3
20:35:17 <lysobit> at the time it was worth about $300
20:35:20 <lysobit> or less
20:37:14 <lysobit> joepie91: actually I think you may know this guy, Amir Taaki aka genjix
20:37:21 <joepie91> I do, yes
20:37:30 <joepie91> well
20:37:34 <lysobit> where does he lurk?
20:37:35 <joepie91> haven't talked to him for a while
20:37:36 <joepie91> but do know him
20:37:40 <joepie91> well, nowhere right now, I get the idea
20:37:40 <cayce> for varying definition of "know" heh
20:37:43 <lysobit> he has by bitcoins
20:37:49 <lysobit> my*
20:37:58 <joepie91> ?
20:38:03 <lysobit> he owns britcoin
20:38:12 <lysobit> aka intersango
20:38:15 <joepie91> oh
20:38:23 <joepie91> can't you just contact intersango support
20:38:23 <joepie91> :p
20:38:47 <lysobit> possibly
20:39:34 <lysobit> he's on freenode
20:39:40 <lysobit> everyone is on freenode
20:39:47 <joepie91> oh lol
20:39:48 <joepie91> yes
20:40:37 <lysobit> now if only I can remember my old gmail pass
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20:47:25 <joepie91> why is there a fucking ash tray in the kitchen
20:47:31 <joepie91> why are there dishes in the fucking sink
20:47:35 <joepie91> how can people cook in a kitchen like this
20:47:36 <joepie91> really
20:47:47 <Amnesthesia> joepie91: maybe they do like i do
20:47:55 <Amnesthesia> and clean the whole kitchen prior to cooking, then clean it again when done
20:48:06 <Amnesthesia> and then somebody else comes and fucks things up and makes it dirty, and then i have to repeat it next time i cook
20:48:10 <Amnesthesia> :3
20:48:27 <joepie91> that said, my mistake: freezing in two kilograms of meat in one bag is a bad idea
20:48:29 <joepie91> especially when it's loose meat
20:48:33 <joepie91> ie. becomes one giant blob of derp
20:48:40 <Amnesthesia> yes :(
20:48:42 <joepie91> Amnesthesia: same here
20:48:44 <joepie91> re: kitchen
20:48:52 <joepie91> also, I should really start cooking for multiple days
20:48:55 <joepie91> and vacuumpacking the result
20:49:00 <Amnesthesia> Dont you?
20:49:12 <Amnesthesia> What's the thing with Holland and selling veggie stuff in portion packs btw? so annoying
20:49:27 <Amnesthesia> All canned stuff seem tiny too :( Had a really hard time finding kidney beans, especially in large cans
20:50:04 <Amnesthesia> I always cook for 4-5 days ahead and just make massive amounts of everything. Instead of having stuff uncooked in the fridge, might as well have it cooked and ready in the fridge :G
20:50:35 <joepie91> I normally cook for one day
20:50:38 <joepie91> freeze in what I find
20:50:49 <joepie91> and yes, everything is portion-based around here
20:50:50 <joepie91> pretty much
20:50:59 <joepie91> though proper vegetables are sold whole
20:51:21 <Amnesthesia> yeah but, portion based makes it more expensive too :/
20:51:29 <joepie91> meh
20:51:31 <joepie91> hardly
20:51:33 <joepie91> food is just expensive here
20:51:37 <Amnesthesia> ah
20:51:37 <joepie91> no matter the portion
20:51:47 <joepie91> you can get larger portions at some supermarkets
20:51:47 <Amnesthesia> I usually just buy 300-500g canned beans :G
20:51:50 <joepie91> not much price diff
20:51:57 <Amnesthesia> What are the supermarkets called?
20:52:02 <joepie91> the particular ones?
20:52:02 <Amnesthesia> Cause I just find different sizes of AH
20:52:05 <joepie91> lol AH
20:52:07 <joepie91> AH is terrible
20:52:09 <Amnesthesia> Yes
20:52:10 <Amnesthesia> It is
20:52:11 <joepie91> it's everywhere but it's terrible
20:52:19 <Amnesthesia> What's better? :o
20:52:25 <joepie91> Jan/Dirk/Bas (same store, different names) carry largerp ackages
20:52:30 <Amnesthesia> Ooh
20:52:32 <joepie91> so do Lidl and Aldi often
20:52:41 <Amnesthesia> Oh there's lidl? Damnit, should've known that
20:52:45 <joepie91> there's also the real bulk stores, Makro and Sligro, but you need a registered company or organization to get access to that
20:52:45 <joepie91> yes
20:52:48 <joepie91> Lidls are everywhere here
20:53:12 <joepie91> Jumbo also sells larger portions for some stuff
20:55:42 <Amnesthesia> Oh neat; friend of mine has been living in Haarlem for well over a year now
20:55:58 <Amnesthesia> and still shops at AH for food all the time; but it's just really expensive and not a lot of options tbh :x
20:58:11 <Amnesthesia> joepie91:
20:59:25 <joepie91> Amnesthesia: tell him to go to Lidl
20:59:29 <joepie91> I'm sure there's one there
20:59:39 <joepie91> nearly all of the Lidl food is magnitudes better than that of AH
21:00:03 <joepie91> only regular supermarkets I can think of that have better (fresh) food than Lidl are Spar and Jumbo
21:00:07 <joepie91> but both are expensive
21:00:10 <joepie91> more expensive than AH
21:00:17 <joepie91> (for fresh foods)
21:05:14 <joepie91> Your score is 1200!
21:05:16 <joepie91> @ Amnesthesia
21:05:44 <Amnesthesia> Yeah I'm just arguing with him atm because he wants advice for healthy foodz and he's a fake-vegan :p
21:06:46 <joepie91> sigh
21:06:48 <joepie91> okay
21:06:49 <joepie91> Amnesthesia
21:06:50 <Amnesthesia> Is Lidl really that much better than AH?
21:06:58 <joepie91> tell him to look at the ingredients list at the Lidl
21:06:59 <Amnesthesia> Lidl is considered bad quality around here I think
21:07:01 <joepie91> and at the AH
21:07:02 <joepie91> for the foods he eats
21:07:12 <joepie91> he'll find that AH crap is absolutely *stuffed* with artificial everything
21:07:14 <joepie91> and Lidl food is not
21:07:30 <joepie91> and yes, Lidl really is that much better
21:07:47 <joepie91> also, re fake-vegan
21:07:54 <joepie91> they sell vegan stuff at Lidl also afaik
21:08:13 <joepie91> if he's all about fairtrade, they sell that too
21:08:17 <joepie91> or organic, they carry that too
21:08:25 <joepie91> I think I've covered just about every possible excuse now
21:08:26 <joepie91> lol
21:09:39 <Amnesthesia> joepie91:
21:09:42 <Amnesthesia> He insists on wanting lots of protein, but not eating anything that contains it. I tried to suggest alternatives to meat, like eggs etc; but he insists he doesnt eat it. But he eats pancakes (and other stuff people puts eggs into, and admits he's being a hypocrit about it)
21:09:59 <Amnesthesia> He can eat things with eggs IN IT, but he refuses to eat eggs because he doesnt eat eggs.
21:10:54 <Amnesthesia> He's a vegetarian but he keeps wanting to move over to being a vegan, except he just cant and then thinks if he starts eating eggs (for example) he's going the wrong direction >:c I dont think he cares a lot about fairtrade etc
21:11:02 <Amnesthesia> He cares about "animal industry" etc, fuck human labour
21:11:26 <joepie91> sigh
21:11:36 <joepie91> pretty sure Lidl sells 'organic' eggs
21:11:48 <joepie91> also
21:11:51 <joepie91> what the fuck is he doing at the AH
21:11:58 <joepie91> because the AH is just about the worst possible place you could go
21:12:06 <joepie91> if you have *any* kind of special needs or demands
21:13:18 <joepie91> cat is suspiciously sitting on the corner of the fridge
21:13:21 <joepie91> staring at my pan of food
21:16:19 <joepie91> cat is not making any moves to steal my dinner
21:16:30 <joepie91> unsure whether just likes the smell or more malicious intentions
21:19:39 <Amnesthesia> joepie91: haha, what's your cats name?
21:20:17 <joepie91> Poekie
21:20:22 <joepie91> most generic cat name there is in NL
21:20:23 <joepie91> :p
21:20:27 <joepie91> technically wasn't my cat
21:20:30 <joepie91> though I guess it kind of is now
21:20:41 <joepie91> ... since I appear to be the only person on earth she trusts ...
21:20:47 <joepie91> was (ex-)bf's cat
21:20:52 <joepie91> but couldn't live at his place because other cats
21:23:35 <lysobit> < interesting idea from brokep
21:24:03 <lysobit> also, pics of you cat pls
21:24:05 <lysobit> your*
21:24:09 <lysobit> or gtfo
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21:26:30 <iceTwy> aww
21:26:33 <iceTwy> joepie91: pics!
21:29:09 <Amnesthesia> yeah
21:29:11 <Amnesthesia> I vote pics
21:29:31 <joepie91> will see if I can find one in a moment
21:30:03 <joepie91> lysobit: meh
21:30:04 <joepie91> already done
21:30:06 <joepie91> with Bitcoin
21:30:24 <lysobit> joepie91: I know about bitcointip, but not quite the same imo
21:30:40 <lysobit> joepie91: this is suggesting that upvotes = flattrs
21:30:41 <joepie91> what's the damn thing called
21:30:42 <joepie91> no
21:30:43 <joepie91> not bitcointip
21:30:47 <joepie91> an independent reddit-like site
21:30:50 <lysobit> whatever it's called
21:30:51 <joepie91> that used Bitcoin as 'upvote currency'
21:30:52 <lysobit> what?
21:30:59 <joepie91> I'm trying to find it
21:31:28 <zxcvbnm>
21:32:24 <joepie91> lysobit:
21:32:40 <joepie91> when it says "small"
21:32:48 <joepie91> that means "multiple digits behind the comma/period" small
21:33:01 <joepie91> in a time when Bitcoins were worth a few bucks at the most
21:33:02 <joepie91> :p
21:33:25 <lysobit> I'd prefer if it used the flattr model of a one-time "subscription" payment
21:33:32 <lysobit> otherwise people will be reluctant to upvote
21:33:36 <lysobit> because upvoting costs money
21:33:38 <lysobit> ...
21:33:47 <joepie91> lysobit: that was actually part of the idea
21:33:51 <joepie91> giving more weight to upvotes
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21:42:40 <lysobit> the implementation would be aweful because of downvotes
21:42:55 <lysobit> people are going to be more downvote-happy than upvote-happy
21:43:09 <lysobit> because downvotes are free
21:43:26 <lysobit> it's a negative cultural shift
21:44:00 <joepie91> pretty sure votes cost the same
21:44:03 <joepie91> no matter whether up or down
21:44:06 <lysobit> that encourages a negative, sadistic mindset
21:44:23 <lysobit> downvotes give the poster btc?
21:44:33 <joepie91> I don't think so
21:44:36 <joepie91> I can't recall the specifics
21:44:43 <joepie91> but afaik there were a few cases where the BTC went to the site as a 'tip'
21:44:46 <joepie91> this might be one of them
21:45:32 <lysobit> sounds like a sadistic business model
21:45:51 <lysobit> anyway, witcoin is a seperate system than reddit right?
21:46:45 <lysobit> (it's currently defunct)
21:46:51 <joepie91> yes
21:49:19 <joepie91> "Holy shit, flattr is still alive? I always thought it was a tremendous idea. It just makes sense."
21:49:24 * joepie91 sighs
21:49:34 <joepie91> comments like this just make me go "wut"?
21:49:35 <joepie91> er
21:49:41 <joepie91> "wut?" *
21:50:53 <lysobit> did you get any donations for anonnews yet?
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21:51:05 <joepie91> some
21:51:06 <joepie91> not many
21:51:21 <lysobit> maybe you could some sort of crowdfound project
21:51:27 <lysobit> only if YAN didn't poison those waters
21:51:58 <lysobit> imo a journalist needs to cover that
21:52:08 <lysobit> especially since the indiegogo page is deleted
21:56:25 <iceTwy> good night!
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21:56:39 <joepie91> lysobit: indeed
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22:13:55 <lysobit> imo IRC needs a reform
22:14:11 <lysobit> the only practical way to be a long-time IRC user is by BNC
22:15:31 <lysobit> and loggies
22:22:30 <joepie91> lysobit: IRC needs a good beating
22:22:31 <joepie91> lol
22:22:43 <lysobit> why
22:23:04 <joepie91> it's a mess
22:23:12 <lysobit> true
22:26:26 <zxcvbnm> what joepie91 everything about irc is fine
22:26:38 <zxcvbnm> feds don't use it/let alone know about it
22:26:42 <joepie91> lol
22:26:46 <lysobit> feds
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22:26:54 <zxcvbnm> lol
22:26:54 <joepie91> haha
22:26:56 <lysobit> hmm
22:27:01 <lysobit> why isn't my autorejoin working
22:27:15 <joepie91> lysobit: that's there to deal with influx of annoying kids that somehow made their way over here from anonnews
22:27:20 <joepie91> it was a real problem a few months ago
22:27:27 <joepie91> having 'fed' as trigger kicked out nearly every single one of them
22:27:37 <zxcvbnm> thats funny
22:27:48 <joepie91> just leaving it in place in case it happens again
22:27:54 <joepie91> (their sentences usually start with "feds did this or that")
22:28:27 <lysobit> joepie91 is a fed
22:28:32 <lysobit> joepie91 is a feds
22:28:35 <lysobit> feds
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22:28:57 <zxcvbnm> Fedsora is the new Linux distro out of Washington, DC
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22:29:26 <zxcvbnm> hhhehh heh, see what I did there
22:29:36 <zxcvbnm> its like fedora
22:29:40 <zxcvbnm> but not :D
22:31:35 <joepie91> try fedora
22:31:36 <joepie91> :)
22:31:47 <zxcvbnm> no deal :P
22:32:21 <joepie91> fedora
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22:33:20 <zxcvbnm> Indiscriminate kicking
22:33:30 <zxcvbnm> Sounds like the opportunity for a US military strike
22:34:24 <MK_FG> Wut? ChanServ is WMD now!?
22:34:31 <zxcvbnm> ^
22:34:43 <zxcvbnm> We have multiple security councils investigating that fact
22:35:33 <MK_FG> And special secret language distinct from english to talk about it
22:35:45 <zxcvbnm> Excellent
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22:35:47 <MK_FG> So when we say "no", we actually mean "holy shit yes, indeed"
22:36:06 <zxcvbnm> Holy shit yes, indeed I am with you there MK_FG
22:37:00 <zxcvbnm> We should have global legalese day, where you're only allowed to speak in Terms of Service
22:37:22 <zxcvbnm> When I say "WE" from here on out I actually mean "YOU"
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22:38:00 <MK_FG> Someone told that they actually change official language in canada to fit in with what they want law to do :P
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22:38:21 <MK_FG> Which is kinda hilarious in it's own unrelated way
22:38:36 <MK_FG> Don't know how true, of course
22:40:07 <zxcvbnm> Yeah
22:40:23 <zxcvbnm> Last year google claimed to make their ToS "easier" to read
22:40:34 <zxcvbnm> alright I'm out for the day, asta manana
22:40:59 <MK_FG> You just made that last bit up didn't you?
22:41:09 <MK_FG> So that later you can claim whatever!
22:41:30 <joepie91> MK_FG: mmm... I recall hearing that in Canada some law was passed that made it required for any court stuff to be in regular commonly understood English/French
22:49:43 <MK_FG> Heh, probably should be more specific about "commonly understood" part
22:50:14 <MK_FG> But as I understand it, it's up to court (e.g. judge) to interpret laws anyway
22:50:40 <MK_FG> So if judge says that they read "yes" as "no", it's legit in that court...
23:11:09 <joepie91> MK_FG: the idea was that any accused should always be able to understand the entirety of their trial
23:11:10 <joepie91> iirc
23:11:25 <joepie91> ... without requiring a translator
23:15:34 <MK_FG> Heh, yeah, it'd be nice, but they still probably won't, without a translator called "lawyer"
23:21:39 <joepie91> that was the kind of translator I meant
23:21:40 <joepie91> :)
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23:27:37 <MK_FG> If it's at least understandable enough so that accused can make a decision whether they need a lawyer, which might be the case if it's in e.g. french when presented to english-speaker, a good thing indeed
23:49:06 <joepie91> honesttly
23:49:08 <joepie91> honestly *
23:49:13 <joepie91> an accused should really not need a lawyer
23:52:09 <MK_FG> In a hypothetical ideal world - sure
23:52:32 <MK_FG> In reality, if accuser has lawyer and accused don't, that seem to be a non-starter
23:53:16 <MK_FG> Because one can't possibly keep track of all the laws in spare time "just in case" with all current judicial systems, I think
23:53:49 <MK_FG> Probably even worse in countries like US, where precedents are a thing
23:53:56 <joepie91> which is exactly the problem
23:55:49 <MK_FG> Hm, I guess legal system can be vastly simplified if we go to monarchy or anarchy
23:56:15 <MK_FG> (monarchy as in absolute-)
23:56:42 <MK_FG> So that you have no rights, monarch and appointed representatives decide as they see fit