Cryto! 27 August 2013

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00:21:56 <iceTwy> oh fuck it
00:22:00 <iceTwy> switching to a German VPS
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01:04:20 <joepie91> iceTwy: hai
01:05:34 <joepie91> iceTwy: re: flokinet
01:05:55 <joepie91> has affiliate program, dead links on the site
01:06:02 <joepie91> iceland pricing seems to suggest Thor DC
01:06:04 <joepie91> I would avoid
01:06:35 <joepie91> unless you have a particular reason to use them
01:07:28 <iceTwy> hm
01:07:29 <iceTwy> well
01:07:34 <iceTwy> I've chosen Inception Hosting
01:07:42 <iceTwy> UK-based blah blah, but German VPS
01:07:59 <iceTwy> and anyway I'll just host on there
01:08:11 <joepie91> huh, didn't even realize they did germany
01:08:16 <iceTwy> yeah, they do
01:08:20 <iceTwy> and they're god damn cheap
01:08:27 <joepie91> I know :)
01:08:36 <joepie91> well
01:08:47 <joepie91> not more cheap than other low-end-VPS hosts
01:08:51 <joepie91> but still, cheap
01:08:53 <iceTwy> aye
01:09:14 <iceTwy> so I've cancelled my shared hosting subscription w/ ramhost
01:09:17 <iceTwy> since I won't use it anyway
01:09:40 * joepie91 is wondering why
01:10:08 <iceTwy> think that shared hosting + vps is better than just vps?
01:10:24 <joepie91> I'm just not quite sure what purpose you have for a VPS :P
01:11:08 <iceTwy> bleh, general stuff
01:11:16 <iceTwy> website, mail, irc, bit of storage
01:11:22 <iceTwy> and also
01:11:25 <iceTwy> because I just want one
01:11:26 <iceTwy> lol
01:11:34 <joepie91> ah :P
01:13:08 <iceTwy> and useless I'm mistaken
01:13:17 <iceTwy> you can't just put the website on shared hosting
01:13:22 <iceTwy> and use the VPS for other services
01:13:23 <iceTwy> can you?
01:14:07 <joepie91> iceTwy: with the information you've given me so far, I don't see why not?
01:14:24 <iceTwy> hmm
01:14:26 <iceTwy> nothing too special
01:14:29 <iceTwy> except CloudFlare
01:14:33 <iceTwy> would that interfere in any way?
01:14:39 <joepie91> no
01:14:47 <joepie91> you just set different DNS records
01:14:54 <joepie91> MX record for e-mail for exampl
01:14:57 <joepie91> example *
01:15:08 <joepie91> A record for website
01:15:47 <joepie91> then I don't really see the problem with using both shared and VPS
01:15:48 <joepie91> :P
01:17:17 <iceTwy> oh alright
01:17:36 <joepie91> sooo
01:17:45 <joepie91> seems ramhost now has SSD-cached KVMs ._.
01:17:55 <iceTwy> tho
01:19:10 <joepie91> then just wait for that :P
01:19:28 <joepie91> also
01:19:29 <joepie91> uh
01:19:30 <joepie91> iceTwy:
01:19:33 <joepie91> other note
01:19:44 <joepie91> I would recommend against running your own e-mail at this point in time
01:19:48 <joepie91> if it's not explicitly required
01:19:55 <iceTwy> err...
01:20:06 <joepie91> running your own e-mail infrastructure right now, is like a nightmare that never ends
01:20:07 <joepie91> lol
01:20:11 <iceTwy> lol why
01:20:47 <joepie91> because pretty much everything surrounding e-mail is a giant clunky obsolete bloated badly implemented rubbish-ridden piece of crap
01:20:53 <joepie91> right no
01:20:54 <joepie91> now *
01:20:57 <iceTwy> exactly, yes
01:21:09 <iceTwy> I'd like to know that I'm running this piece of crap, at least
01:21:15 <joepie91> that said, is underway
01:21:16 <iceTwy> and not some company that logs my data / w/e
01:21:32 <joepie91> iceTwy: that risk exists anyway
01:21:39 <iceTwy> wait
01:21:40 <iceTwy> what
01:21:47 <iceTwy> icelandic mail service
01:21:47 <iceTwy> ?
01:21:50 <joepie91> no
01:21:54 <joepie91> read the site, not the domain
01:21:55 <joepie91> :P
01:22:13 <iceTwy> hahaha :D
01:23:35 <iceTwy> their sample images are full of lolz
01:23:41 <iceTwy> kitteh images, 'fap'
01:24:01 <iceTwy> okay
01:24:04 <iceTwy> but how is it different
01:25:00 <joepie91> different from?
01:25:02 <joepie91> also,
01:25:27 <iceTwy> different from other clients
01:25:39 <iceTwy> i.e. Thunderbird or others
01:25:42 <iceTwy> Claws Mail even
01:25:55 <joepie91> uh...
01:25:56 <iceTwy> ah
01:25:57 <iceTwy> lol
01:25:59 <joepie91> read the site? :P
01:26:00 <iceTwy> web based
01:26:11 <iceTwy> I'm not really focused atm :p
01:26:28 <iceTwy> @ramhost ticket: " Your previous cancellation request is now disregarded."
01:26:31 * iceTwy wins
01:26:34 <joepie91> haha
01:26:46 <joepie91> (for the record, *if* I use a desktop e-mail client, it's Geary)
01:27:03 <joepie91>
01:27:30 <iceTwy> oh
01:27:31 <iceTwy> Vala
01:27:39 <iceTwy> well, I use Thunderbird atm
01:27:42 <iceTwy> I don't like it
01:27:42 <iceTwy> lol
01:27:51 <joepie91> I don't care about Vala, I care about having a very simple e-mail client
01:27:52 <joepie91> :)
01:27:54 <joepie91> neither do I
01:27:58 <joepie91> too bulky
01:28:34 <iceTwy> yup
01:28:38 <iceTwy> btw
01:28:45 <iceTwy> what did I want to say?
01:28:47 <iceTwy> erm
01:28:58 <iceTwy> this is crazy
01:29:03 <iceTwy> my mind just deleted what I wanted to say
01:29:11 <joepie91> hahaha
01:29:17 <joepie91> "NOPENOPENOPE.avi"
01:30:44 <joepie91> so, some guy apparently thinks it's a good idea to add yet another fairytale-themed theme park in the Netherlands
01:30:45 <iceTwy> lol
01:30:49 <joepie91> it's not like we already have 3
01:31:01 <joepie91> ... in a country the size of a large city elsewhere
01:31:04 <iceTwy> tell him to stick his head out of fairies' asses
01:31:20 <joepie91> he wanted to build it in Sweden first
01:31:26 <joepie91> then the city canceled his plans out of nowhere
01:31:36 <joepie91> and he was like "yeah, I'll just build it in NL then"
01:31:36 <joepie91> derp
01:32:06 <iceTwy> lol
01:32:17 <iceTwy> anyhowq
01:32:21 <iceTwy> anyhow*
01:32:27 <iceTwy> I've been having fun lately
01:32:40 <iceTwy> read:
01:34:35 <iceTwy> holy crap
01:34:38 <iceTwy> mailpile is written in Python?
01:34:40 * iceTwy approves
01:37:23 <cayce> iceTwy:) what
01:37:41 <iceTwy>
01:37:43 <iceTwy>
01:37:53 <cayce> no
01:37:54 <cayce> what
01:37:59 <cayce> you wanted to talk to me
01:38:01 <cayce> so... what
01:38:15 <iceTwy> oh
01:38:18 <iceTwy> did I PM you on ramhost?
01:38:24 <cayce> correct
01:38:27 <iceTwy> ah
01:38:35 <iceTwy> ya I just wanted to know how you're doing
01:38:41 <cayce> :)
01:38:41 <iceTwy> so please tell meh
01:38:46 <cayce> first day of class
01:39:00 <cayce> just got back, and class let out early
01:39:08 <cayce> 9.5 hours?
01:39:12 <cayce> yeah
01:39:26 <cayce> that's my monday :D
01:39:48 <cayce> j'aime lundi :3
01:40:18 <cayce> I mean except for the part where my face is currently melting off
01:40:24 <cayce> cosmetic issue though, not life threatening
01:42:34 <cayce> and uh, I picked the right major
01:42:37 <cayce> totally fucking nailed it
01:45:59 <iceTwy> haha
01:46:01 <iceTwy> glad you did
01:46:09 <iceTwy> hey
01:46:20 <iceTwy> why does github sustain so many DDoS attacks
01:51:45 <cayce> akamai hosts them
01:51:59 <cayce> or do you actually mean how
01:52:02 <cayce> sorry why
01:52:05 * cayce can't speak yet
01:54:49 <iceTwy> why
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02:04:37 <joepie91> :P
02:07:53 <joepie91> food time!
02:08:15 <iceTwy> NOMS
02:08:16 <iceTwy> at 4AM?
02:08:30 <cayce> holy fucking shit is it ever food time
02:08:52 <cayce> brought the rest of breakfast to school today
02:09:02 <joepie91> iceTwy: I woke up an hour ago
02:09:14 <joepie91> I'm back to 5pm bedtime
02:09:14 <joepie91> :)
02:09:18 <joepie91> well
02:09:21 <joepie91> it was 6pm yesterday
02:09:22 <joepie91> but yeah
02:09:22 <cayce> I left at 9am, finished first class at noon, ate the rest of breakfast... and then had class 4-6 (normally 7)
02:09:37 <iceTwy> heh
02:09:43 <iceTwy> btw:
02:09:50 <iceTwy> the guy hasn't posted in 2 months
02:09:56 <cayce> I mean fuck, I was doing hail-satans to stay cognisant
02:10:03 <iceTwy> say what
02:10:17 <iceTwy> btw
02:10:30 <cayce> my major teacher is amazing too
02:10:35 <iceTwy> how is 9h30 tiring?
02:10:36 <cayce> she's such a fucking nerd it's great
02:10:42 <iceTwy> I mean, we normally spend 8h at school here
02:10:44 <iceTwy> up to 9h
02:10:56 <iceTwy> but that's like our regular schedule
02:11:03 <cayce> us highschool is never more than 8am-330pm
02:11:10 <cayce> college is even lighter
02:11:45 <cayce> first day of school and not enough food and you're wondering why it's tiring? really though?
02:11:47 <cayce> derp
02:14:01 <iceTwy> ah
02:14:02 <iceTwy> sorry
02:14:04 <iceTwy> not enough food
02:14:09 <iceTwy> hadn't seen that
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03:07:46 <cayce> I have a pretty strong feeling I'm not gonna be around irc much
03:07:50 <cayce> and by much I mean if at all
03:07:51 <cayce> >_>
03:07:54 <cayce> <_<
03:09:53 <cayce> I have class at 8am tomorrow
03:09:57 <cayce> <_<
03:09:58 <cayce> >_>
03:12:47 <joepie91> cayce: mm?
03:13:05 <cayce> I won't be here
03:13:49 <cayce> class 9-7 (easy) mondays, tuesdays/thursdays it's 7-4...
03:13:57 <joepie91> ah
03:13:58 <joepie91> sucks
03:14:14 <cayce> and uh, I have to do work and shit too
03:14:15 <cayce> soooooo
03:14:15 <cayce> lol
03:14:47 <cayce> It doesn't really suck, it's going to be amazing
03:14:53 <cayce> It's just I won't be around irc
03:14:56 <cayce> :|
03:17:03 <joepie91> ah
03:17:03 <joepie91> :P
03:17:04 <joepie91> also, lolwat
03:17:08 <joepie91> I just got an autoresponse from Marketo
03:17:14 <joepie91> "thank you for contacting our abuse team"
03:17:19 <joepie91> uh... yeah, that was half a year ago
03:17:20 <joepie91> :P
03:17:44 <joepie91> I mean, I'd gotten a response pretty much instantly then (from a human)
03:17:49 <joepie91> just the autoresponder seems to be behind by a few months
03:21:13 * MK_FG narrowly missed iceTwy to suggest link
03:23:36 <cayce> :P
03:58:25 <joepie91> MK_FG: mmm, noted
03:59:01 <cayce> damn, xorg is the biggest piece of shit
03:59:10 <cayce> I forgot to turn off swap and now my computer locks up at random
03:59:15 <cayce> really neat feature
03:59:17 <cayce> :|
03:59:42 <cayce> not even sure it's xorg though, it's just one of the procs using cpu
04:01:53 <cayce> there we go
04:02:09 <cayce> it tells me I have 1.4g ram used, but puts 550m into swap
04:02:13 <cayce> dumbest fucking kernel
04:02:52 <cayce> especially since my vm.swappiness = 0
04:04:12 <cayce> and not even my buffer or cache + active add up to max
04:04:31 <cayce> so, it SHOULDN'T be swapping at all
04:29:27 * cayce rages on down to electric avenue
04:45:16 <ElectRo`> iirc its suppose to avoid swapping out memory for as long as possible
04:46:19 <cayce> if it did that I would be forever indebted
04:46:23 <cayce> but it doesn't
04:46:38 <cayce> I have to disable swap to get that behavior e.e
04:50:56 <ElectRo`> overcommit_memory and overcommint_ratio look interesting
04:51:48 <ElectRo`>
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04:52:42 <cayce> ElectRo`:) thanks, I'll have a look at some future time
04:53:04 <cayce> I commented out my vmem dirty and dirty ratio so we'll see what that does on next reboot
04:53:10 <cayce> but I doubt it'll help
04:53:23 <cayce> (cause the numbers ubuntu ships with are soooooo fucking high)
04:53:47 <cayce> I wonder though, cause I'm running a vanilla kernel now
04:53:50 <cayce> built the bitch myself
04:53:52 <cayce> hmm
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07:33:55 <Patchwork> Nein.
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07:52:03 <joepie91> .tell ilikeapricot test
07:52:09 <joepie91> why does .tell not work?
07:52:10 <joepie91> .help
07:52:16 * joepie91 frowns
07:53:16 <joepie91> .ping
07:53:17 <botpie91> Ping failed. Are you sure you specified a valid hostname or IP?
07:53:25 <joepie91> .list
07:54:04 <joepie91> hmm
07:54:10 <joepie91> botpie91 tell ilikeapricot test
07:54:19 <joepie91> ... or not
07:54:22 <ilikeapricot> botpie91: doesnt want to
07:54:53 <ilikeapricot> wouldnt u have to restart him to make new code works?
07:55:25 <joepie91> botpie91, tell ilikeapricot that derp
07:55:26 <botpie91> joepie91: I'll pass that on when ilikeapricot is around.
07:55:31 <joepie91> ah there we go
07:55:34 <joepie91> say something, ilikeapricot
07:56:00 <ilikeapricot> botpie91: tell joepie91 i am around
07:56:01 <botpie91> ilikeapricot: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around.
07:56:02 <botpie91> ilikeapricot: 07:55Z <joepie91> tell ilikeapricot that derp
07:56:12 <joepie91> lol
07:56:13 <botpie91> joepie91: 07:56Z <ilikeapricot> tell joepie91 i am around
07:56:16 <joepie91> but you get the idea
07:56:23 <joepie91> hm, wonder if this will work
07:56:29 <joepie91> botpie91, join #anonnews
07:56:36 <joepie91> oh well, was worth a try
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07:57:20 * joepie91 twiddles thumbs
07:57:24 <joepie91> there we go
07:58:38 <joepie91> <PeppR>yep, are there any happy win8 users here BTW?
07:58:39 <joepie91> <rm>no
07:58:39 <joepie91> <rm>may have better luck in BDSM interest channels
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08:03:12 <Patchwork[1]> joepie91
08:03:20 <Patchwork[1]> Can I possibly get a hand here?
08:03:46 * joepie91 gives Patchwork[1] Doctor Who's old cut off hand
08:03:56 <joepie91> that sufficient?
08:04:00 <joepie91> :P
08:04:19 <Patchwork[1]> Lul.
08:04:36 <Patchwork[1]>
08:04:50 <joepie91> oh dear
08:04:55 <joepie91> from the URL, that looks like latex stuff
08:05:03 <joepie91> oh
08:05:04 <joepie91> it's not!
08:05:16 <Patchwork[1]> It's not, not at all.
08:06:28 <Patchwork[1]> This is just an offshoot of that thing daemon was working on.
08:06:37 <Patchwork[1]> I wanted to make it better.
08:06:43 <joepie91> this looks very interesting
08:06:54 <joepie91> cc cayce and lysobit probably
08:07:03 <joepie91> also norbert79 perhaps
08:07:08 <joepie91> suspect you might find the above interesting
08:08:29 <Patchwork[1]> I was thinking that you might be able to incorporate positive and negative sentences into the mix?
08:10:07 <norbert79> let me see
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08:10:40 <joepie91> Patchwork[1]: positive and negative is easy
08:10:46 <joepie91> there's a bunch of wordlists for both going around
08:10:50 <norbert79> Nice
08:10:53 <joepie91> count frequency of positive and negative words
08:10:55 <joepie91> and you're basically done
08:20:35 <joepie91> botpie91, tell iceTwy that he should have a look at (thanks to MK_FG for that one)
08:20:36 <botpie91> joepie91: I'll pass that on when iceTwy is around.
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10:02:43 <iceTwy> lol, joepie91
10:02:44 <botpie91> iceTwy: 08:20Z <joepie91> tell iceTwy that he should have a look at (thanks to MK_FG for that one)
10:02:57 <joepie91> hmm?
10:03:15 <iceTwy> sweet o.o
10:03:18 <iceTwy> Yeah, the Solus
10:03:24 <iceTwy> Yeah, the SolusVM control panel has blacklisted my ass lol
10:03:36 <iceTwy> too many login attempts w/ an invalid user/pass combination
10:03:40 <joepie91> lol
10:03:42 <joepie91> good job
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10:03:47 <iceTwy> when I was actually trying to connect with the /good/ credentials
10:03:55 <FtpIt_Radi> hello
10:04:00 <iceTwy> so, er
10:04:05 <iceTwy> nice job @ InceptionHosting? :p
10:04:07 <iceTwy> hey FtpIt_Radi
10:04:13 <FtpIt_Radi> whats up :D
10:05:04 <iceTwy> heh, trying to get my new VPS running
10:05:25 <iceTwy> aaah
10:05:27 <iceTwy> actually, joepie91
10:05:34 <iceTwy> this was due to the pass being over 30 chars long
10:05:38 <iceTwy> lol
10:05:54 <FtpIt_Radi> i am installing OpenVZ on my Inception Xen
10:05:58 <FtpIt_Radi> but need a control panel
10:06:39 <FtpIt_Radi> so I wonder has joepie finished CVM
10:07:59 <FtpIt_Radi> joepie91?
10:12:48 <joepie91> FtpIt_Radi: ohai
10:12:53 <joepie91> I have not
10:12:54 <joepie91> I'm stuck
10:12:59 <joepie91> I still don't have access to my stuff
10:13:05 <joepie91> because raid and everything
10:13:17 <FtpIt_Radi> oh sorry to hear that
10:13:23 <joepie91> I am considering just getting all testing servers reinstalled and recreating whatever info I'm missing
10:13:34 <joepie91> because it seems like it's going to take a while for my hardware to be returned (or any data on it)
10:14:01 <FtpIt_Radi> what would you recommend me to use for now, as I instaled a pvpops kernel:
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10:17:18 <FtpIt_Radi> from what I understands its a special kernel
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10:18:42 <iceTwy> now the root pass ain't working
10:18:44 * iceTwy clap
10:18:45 <iceTwy> s
10:19:42 <FtpIt_Radi> you can change it via SolusVM
10:19:43 <FtpIt_Radi> :D
10:19:50 <joepie91> FtpIt_Radi: I have no idea tbh
10:19:51 <iceTwy> I don't want to lol
10:19:57 <joepie91> I only have an openvz environment in a KVM VPS
10:20:03 <joepie91> and that pretty much works as it says on the tin
10:20:07 <joepie91> "just like a dedi"
10:20:12 <FtpIt_Radi> with a KVM, its just like a dedi
10:20:17 <FtpIt_Radi> but on a Xen PV, its customised
10:20:17 <FtpIt_Radi> :D
10:20:34 <FtpIt_Radi> i tried to install OVZ web panel, but it failed with Ruby
10:21:49 <joepie91> oh, PV
10:21:53 <joepie91> why would you run openvz on xen PV
10:22:45 <FtpIt_Radi> just for fun :)
10:23:13 <FtpIt_Radi> but I would prefer with a panel, because I will be creating IPv6-only VPS
10:24:15 <joepie91> right
10:24:20 <joepie91> yeah, I can't be of much help yet then
10:28:05 <FtpIt_Radi> installing HyperVM now :D
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10:31:34 <joepie91> iceTwy: still there?
10:32:11 <iceTwy> yes
10:32:17 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91!
10:32:18 <twitchyl1quid64> hi
10:32:24 <iceTwy> seriously wtf is this
10:32:26 <joepie91> twitchyl1quid64!
10:32:27 <iceTwy> can't connect w/ root
10:32:30 <joepie91> it has been a while!
10:32:32 <joepie91> iceTwy: XMPP?
10:32:32 <iceTwy> can't connect w/ the username they gave me
10:32:36 <iceTwy> yeah
10:32:46 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91: fix your round robin aswell :p
10:32:53 <joepie91> twitchyl1quid64: yes yes yes
10:32:57 <joepie91> but really, it's been a while!
10:33:01 <twitchyl1quid64> yeah
10:33:05 <twitchyl1quid64> ive been busy
10:33:08 <twitchyl1quid64> got a full time job
10:33:09 <twitchyl1quid64> AND uni
10:33:15 <twitchyl1quid64> AND another girlfriend
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10:33:49 <twitchyl1quid64> AND I have been working on a few projects here and there
10:34:04 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91: btw webRTC is AWESOME
10:34:30 <joepie91> :)
10:34:35 <joepie91> still have to look into webRTC
10:35:15 <joepie91> btw
10:35:17 <joepie91> twitchyl1quid64
10:35:21 <joepie91> do you use XMPP?
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10:35:29 <twitchyl1quid64> no
10:35:30 <twitchyl1quid64> why?
10:35:38 <joepie91> because I'd ask you to add me :P
10:35:46 <twitchyl1quid64> ahh k haha
10:36:20 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91: did you want to hear about some of my latest projects?
10:36:34 <joepie91> yes
10:40:22 <FtpIt_Radi> HyperVM detected it as a Xen node
10:40:23 <FtpIt_Radi> :D
10:40:28 <FtpIt_Radi> rather than OVZ
10:40:46 <joepie91> and it was correct
10:40:46 <joepie91> :)
10:40:55 <FtpIt_Radi> ?
10:41:06 <FtpIt_Radi> I installed it with the intention to create OVZ vps-es
10:41:17 <joepie91> yes
10:41:18 <twitchyl1quid64> I really like virtualbox, because its so easy to deply and use
10:41:23 <joepie91> but it is correct in saying "this is xen!"
10:41:24 <twitchyl1quid64> everything from the commandline
10:41:26 <twitchyl1quid64> so easy
10:41:31 <twitchyl1quid64> although it is a little slow
10:41:34 <joepie91> also afaik hypervm can manage botth xen and openvz at the same time
10:41:35 <joepie91> so you'll be fine
10:41:49 <joepie91> twitchyl1quid64; KVM also works entirely from a commandline
10:41:51 <joepie91> as does openvz
10:41:54 <joepie91> as does Xen
10:42:03 <joepie91> all of which offer better performance than VirtualBox
10:42:04 <joepie91> :)
10:42:11 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91: but which is the 'lightest' and easiest to install?
10:42:18 <joepie91> KVM probably
10:42:25 <joepie91> well
10:42:34 <twitchyl1quid64> but that only works running the same operating system/arch?
10:42:35 <joepie91> for setting up the environment, probably KVM because a bunch of their stuff is in mainline kernel
10:42:43 <joepie91> for ease of use of the VMs, openvz
10:42:45 <joepie91> but that's not real virt
10:42:47 <joepie91> and limits you to Linux
10:42:52 <joepie91> and requires a kernel change
10:42:56 <joepie91> KVM runs anything
10:42:57 <ilikeapricot> joepie91: which VM is the best in your opinion? Also is said one opensource?
10:43:10 <joepie91> ilikeapricot: you mean 'which virtualization technology'?
10:43:17 <ilikeapricot> ya that
10:43:26 <joepie91> that depends on the situation and purpose
10:43:31 <joepie91> and all of the three above are open-source afaik
10:43:51 <ilikeapricot> elaborate on that pls
10:44:03 <joepie91> openvz is not real virtualization
10:44:10 <joepie91> it's basically glorified containers
10:44:13 <joepie91> it will *act* like a VPS
10:44:21 <joepie91> but your networking interface is simplified (by default)
10:44:27 <joepie91> iptables usage is limited in certain regards
10:44:34 <joepie91> you cannot load custom kernels or kernel modules
10:44:41 <joepie91> you cannot throttle disk I/O properly per VM
10:44:50 <joepie91> you cannot add IP ranges to your network interface
10:44:50 <joepie91> etc
10:44:59 <joepie91> there's a bunch of limitations basically
10:45:10 <joepie91> and security-wise, openvz is a bit more likely to be vuln to something
10:45:18 <joepie91> as in, host node escalation
10:45:21 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91: what would you recomend which is 1)easy to install 2)works for multiple archs 3)can run entirely on commandline
10:45:28 <joepie91> but in practice that doesn't really happen often
10:45:33 <twitchyl1quid64> Use case: building software for different distros/arches
10:45:35 <joepie91> twitchyl1quid64: KVM
10:45:39 <joepie91> definitely KVM
10:45:45 <joepie91> perhaps combined with libvirt
10:45:47 <joepie91> if you want to automate
10:45:50 <twitchyl1quid64> will KVM run arm on an x86?
10:46:12 <joepie91> not sure
10:46:55 <joepie91> also
10:47:04 <joepie91> twitchyl1quid64: have you considered just using the opensuse build service?
10:47:59 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91: my policy is torely on external parties as much
10:48:09 <twitchyl1quid64> also its more learning to make myself
10:48:41 <joepie91>
10:48:46 <joepie91> is open-source :)
10:52:33 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91: does KVM contain qemu?
10:54:41 <twitchyl1quid64> I dont think it supports doing arm on x86 or anything funky like that
10:55:46 <joepie91> it's based on qemu, yes
10:59:09 <joepie91> wtf my thumbnailer is broken
10:59:10 <joepie91>
10:59:18 <joepie91> that is in no way, shape, or form an acceptable thumbnail
10:59:19 <joepie91> :|
10:59:29 <joepie91> wtf.
10:59:52 <iceTwy> right
10:59:53 <iceTwy> FINALLY
10:59:55 <iceTwy> got to log in
10:59:59 <iceTwy> wtf is this shit
11:00:13 <iceTwy> ssh doesn't handle 32 chars random passes?
11:00:14 <joepie91> iceTwy: sounds like either a bug or lolurdoingitwrong
11:00:19 <joepie91> oh lol
11:00:26 <joepie91> yeah uh
11:00:30 <joepie91> that might actually be a solusvm bug
11:00:37 <iceTwy> dude
11:00:41 <joepie91> solusvm is known to be really bad at long passwords and passwords with special characters
11:00:44 <iceTwy> if you've got a god damn root pass
11:00:53 <iceTwy> with upper/min letters & symbols & numbers
11:00:54 <joepie91> iceTwy: please send your hatemail to solusvm
11:00:55 <joepie91> not to me
11:00:59 <joepie91> er
11:01:00 <joepie91> soluslabs
11:01:02 <iceTwy> yeah lol
11:01:11 <joepie91> they don't understand even the first thing about security
11:01:13 <iceTwy> so what am I to do.. insecure pass?
11:01:20 <joepie91> insecure pass, then SSH in
11:01:21 <twitchyl1quid64> perhaps just plain qemu can do the job xD
11:01:22 <joepie91> change it from SSH
11:01:25 <iceTwy> yeah
11:01:29 <joepie91> disable password auth
11:01:33 <joepie91> and never login without a keypair again
11:02:55 <iceTwy> yay
11:02:56 <iceTwy> it works
11:03:07 <iceTwy> k
11:03:25 <iceTwy> it's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config I assume?
11:03:26 <twitchyl1quid64> I would also like to point out that websocket is awesomesauce xD
11:04:04 <twitchyl1quid64> Project 1: making a presenter app; point a webbrowser at an address and it goes fullscreen and then you can remotely put things on the screen
11:04:08 <twitchyl1quid64> good for a projector
11:04:24 <twitchyl1quid64> Im working on intergrating a VNC client into that aswell
11:04:52 <twitchyl1quid64> xD
11:05:28 <joepie91>
11:05:31 <joepie91> yeah, thanks Reuters
11:05:39 <joepie91> not like I needed an og:description tag or anything
11:05:43 <joepie91> morons
11:06:19 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91:
11:06:24 <twitchyl1quid64> what do you think of it?
11:09:13 <joepie91> meh
11:09:36 <joepie91> so far, seems like attempt 546134124 at creating a "browser-based OS"
11:09:59 <twitchyl1quid64> I think its pretty good
11:10:00 <joepie91> would be more impressed if they used that experimental GTK-in-a-browser stuff
11:10:03 <joepie91> with an actual user account
11:10:07 <joepie91> to give you a real browser-based workspace
11:10:10 <joepie91> with normal applications
11:10:35 <joepie91> twitchyl1quid64: the problem with these things is
11:10:37 <twitchyl1quid64> I think it just needs a WYSIWYG spreadsheet and word editor and it would be good to go
11:10:37 <joepie91> what is the purpose?
11:10:43 <joepie91> what does it do that isn't already done
11:10:44 <joepie91> ?
11:10:49 <twitchyl1quid64> the purpose is to provide a remote workspace
11:10:55 <twitchyl1quid64> thats light on servers
11:10:57 <joepie91> for what situation?
11:11:24 <twitchyl1quid64> for instance, me coding on my lappy, closing it down, then coding on my deskltop
11:11:27 <twitchyl1quid64> bad example
11:11:29 <twitchyl1quid64> but still
11:11:39 <twitchyl1quid64> portability without closing things down
11:11:53 <joepie91> so why not just use an actual user account somewhere
11:11:56 <joepie91> with (web) VNC?
11:12:04 <joepie91> so that you can actually use *your* environment?
11:12:12 <joepie91> instead of custom half-finished browser implementations
11:12:22 <joepie91> that are primarily token implementations to have something to fill up the application menu with?
11:12:37 <joepie91> web-based VNC and SSH clients exist
11:12:39 <joepie91> so does the UNIX user model
11:12:51 <twitchyl1quid64> that was the original plan; make a webVNC
11:12:52 <joepie91> it's an already solved problem
11:12:54 <twitchyl1quid64> but it didnt work
11:12:56 <twitchyl1quid64> so movin along
11:12:57 <joepie91> why not?
11:13:27 <joepie91>
11:13:32 <twitchyl1quid64> I implemented an earlier RFC which none of them support :( also too many RFB encoding to make it worth my while
11:13:36 <joepie91> there, problem solved
11:14:04 <joepie91>
11:14:06 <joepie91> SSH problem solved
11:14:20 <joepie91>
11:14:22 <joepie91> GTK in browser
11:14:33 <joepie91> etc.
11:15:24 <twitchyl1quid64> is gateOne embeddable?
11:15:51 <joepie91> yes
11:16:04 <joepie91> â?ª Embeddable and Unrestricted
11:16:04 <joepie91> Unlike traditional web-based applications Gate One can be running on one server while being embedded into another--even from different domains. It can do this thanks to the power of WebSockets which don't have the cross-origin limitations of technologies such as AJAX.
11:16:08 <joepie91>
11:16:42 <joepie91> and for syncing stuff there's
11:16:59 <joepie91> and for ALL THE THINGS, as MK_FG mentioned earlier, there's
11:19:51 <twitchyl1quid64> see
11:20:01 <twitchyl1quid64> half of that stuff im in the process of building ATM
11:20:44 <joepie91> then your workload was just cut in half :P
11:21:24 <twitchyl1quid64> naahhh
11:21:48 <twitchyl1quid64> I have a stupid and unjustifiable pet hate for using things that dont fit my model of how to do things :P
11:22:13 <joepie91> lol
11:22:19 <twitchyl1quid64> But Im in the long process of writing all the software
11:22:29 <twitchyl1quid64> so you can see it all when its done :P
11:22:49 <twitchyl1quid64> im practically rewriting active directory, but simplified and UNIX stufy :P
11:22:53 <twitchyl1quid64> *style
11:23:00 <twitchyl1quid64> (dont you dare mention LDAP)
11:26:08 <twitchyl1quid64> joepie91: did you say you have had a look at webRTC?
11:26:33 <joepie91> only a brief look, didn't do anything with it yet really
11:26:58 <twitchyl1quid64> its so cool
11:27:09 <twitchyl1quid64> Especially RTCPeerConnection
11:27:14 <twitchyl1quid64> and PeerDataConnection
11:28:25 <twitchyl1quid64> IMagine how many web-driven content distribution networks are going to spring up
11:28:36 <twitchyl1quid64> it will revolutionalise the internet
11:28:58 <joepie91> mhmm
11:29:03 <joepie91> fix the firewall problem first, then we'll talk
11:29:03 <joepie91> :P
11:29:09 <twitchyl1quid64> done
11:29:12 <joepie91> or the NAT problem, rather
11:29:13 <twitchyl1quid64> heary of STUN and ICE?
11:29:23 <twitchyl1quid64> they are builtin to webRTC
11:29:29 <twitchyl1quid64> so that problem is solved :P
11:29:34 <joepie91> huh?
11:29:39 <joepie91> how does it work?
11:29:47 <twitchyl1quid64> STUN == NAT traversal
11:29:52 <twitchyl1quid64> ICE == relay server if NAT fails
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11:30:22 <joepie91> and the NAT traversal works how?
11:30:42 <twitchyl1quid64> either UPNP, or UDP hole punching
11:30:50 <twitchyl1quid64> it only needs to work on one side
11:30:54 <twitchyl1quid64> else, ICE failback
11:32:02 <twitchyl1quid64> but I would guess that STUN would work for 95% of homes
11:32:09 <twitchyl1quid64> or maybe 90
11:32:11 <twitchyl1quid64> but still
11:32:14 <twitchyl1quid64> more than enough
11:32:28 <joepie91> sounds like old style hole punching then
11:32:52 <twitchyl1quid64> its hole punching, formalized into a spec with a failback mechanism
11:33:00 <twitchyl1quid64> even google provides STUN servers
11:33:09 <joepie91> holy shit what:
11:33:10 <joepie91>       function isMobile(){
11:33:10 <joepie91>         return (function(a){
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11:33:29 <joepie91> )){
11:33:30 <joepie91> the worst part of this? it looks like it's hand-made :|
11:33:41 <twitchyl1quid64> looks programmatically generated
11:33:55 <twitchyl1quid64> the logic is pretty straightforward
11:34:16 <joepie91> unless regex generators have quietly made a breakthrough while I wasn't looking, I doubt that
11:34:17 <joepie91> :/
11:35:20 <twitchyl1quid64> oh well
11:36:56 <joepie91> shower time
11:37:00 <joepie91> then back to xpath frustration
11:37:04 <twitchyl1quid64> have fun ;P
11:37:06 <twitchyl1quid64> xpath?
11:37:07 <joepie91> ( )
11:37:26 <joepie91> metadata fuzzing, always fun
11:37:30 <twitchyl1quid64> ewww
11:37:31 <twitchyl1quid64> PHP
11:37:38 <joepie91> now, shower :P
11:37:39 <twitchyl1quid64> didnt anyone tell you thats so last year?
11:55:36 <joepie91> back
11:55:45 <joepie91> yes, PHP, that's what AnonNews is written in
12:03:14 <joepie91>
12:03:17 <joepie91> wtf is boingboing sending me
12:03:20 <joepie91> gzipped crap?
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12:50:38 <lysobit> the http protocol supports gzipped page transfer
12:51:03 <lysobit> it's pretty common
12:51:13 <iceTwy> ^ page compression, yes
13:03:00 <joepie91> lysobit: except a slight problem
13:03:10 <joepie91> boingboing is sending gzipped stuff even if no accept-encoding header is specified
13:03:16 <joepie91> which is technically valid according to the HTTP spec
13:03:17 <joepie91> so wtf
13:03:32 <joepie91> If no Accept-Encoding field is present in a request, the server MAY assume that the client will accept any content coding. In this case, if "identity" is one of the available content-codings, then the server SHOULD use the "identity" content-coding, unless it has additional information that a different content-coding is meaningful to the client.
13:03:47 <joepie91> basically "if it doesn't tell you what encoding it understands, you can assume that it understands ALL THE THINGS"
13:03:52 <joepie91> which is just... what
13:07:24 <lysobit> it makes sense tbh
13:07:32 <lysobit> it's encoding "neutral"
13:07:45 <lysobit> and doesn't assume that any encoding is the de facto encoding
13:08:43 <lysobit> it makes more sense in the context of character encoding in web pages of other languages
13:09:54 <lysobit> plus, it forces good practice in web browsers/clients by forcing them to explicity specify the encoding
13:16:27 <MK_FG> Wait, it also says there that if "as-is" (identity) encoding is supported, server SHOULD use it
13:16:45 <MK_FG> (even MAYbe assuming that client can accept anything)
13:17:25 <MK_FG> With all the late TLS attacks, I'd expect people start disabling gzip everywhere...
13:18:10 <joepie91> lysobit: wrong and wrong
13:18:31 <joepie91> the default encoding (note that this is transfer encoding, not document encoding!) should be unaltered plain data
13:18:35 <joepie91> as for "forcing good practice"
13:18:45 <joepie91> there is a reason the practice of "be liberal in what you accept and strict in what you send" exists
13:19:18 <joepie91> leave your "but you have to do it properly!" (which is, btw, nonsense as this is not a required header afaik) to your own internal stuff, don't break production things with it
13:19:34 <joepie91> the only acceptable scenario for breaking production stuff is if you have the control and means to fix it
13:19:39 <MK_FG> I think that's what 'In this case, if "identity" is one of the available content-codings, then the server SHOULD use the "identity" content-coding' means
13:20:45 <joepie91> MK_FG: problem is, what is "one of the available content-codings"?
13:20:51 <joepie91> available in what sense?
13:20:58 <MK_FG> Supported by server software
13:21:00 <joepie91> to the client and indicated in the accept-encoding header?
13:21:01 <joepie91> to the server?
13:21:19 <joepie91> okay, so why is being able to send data unaltered not just a requirement of the HTTP spec?
13:21:34 <MK_FG> Context of that sentence is about "no header", so I guess it's what server supports, nothing else there
13:21:43 <joepie91> (also, afaik SHOULD is not the same as MUST)
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13:21:54 <joepie91> ie. strong recommendation
13:22:04 <MK_FG> Heh, dunno, maybe it's now always possible, hence yeah, SHOULD, not MUST
13:22:20 <MK_FG> E.g. if you have pre-zipped data cached on some cdm
13:22:23 <MK_FG> *cdn
13:22:28 <MK_FG> And it's a lot of work to unzip it
13:22:53 <joepie91> that's ridiculous
13:23:11 <MK_FG> Haters gonna hate :P
13:23:12 <joepie91> that makes the assumption that the receiving client supports some kind of algorithm outside the scope of the protocol specification itself
13:23:16 <joepie91> an arbitrary algorithm, at that
13:23:19 <joepie91> whatever the CDN chooses to use
13:23:28 <joepie91> and assumes that the receiving device has the capability of reading it
13:23:46 <MK_FG> Indeed, as with most stuff on the web outside of standards
13:24:04 <joepie91> and that practice has absolutely no place in the HTTP spec
13:25:01 <MK_FG> Yeah, I think MUST would've been better there
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13:27:13 <lysobit> [14:18:10] <joepie91> lysobit: wrong and wrong
13:27:13 <lysobit> [14:18:31] <joepie91> the default encoding (note that this is transfer encoding, not document encoding!) should be unaltered plain data
13:27:31 <lysobit> as I said, it makes sense in the case of foreign characters
13:27:47 <joepie91> lysobit: what?
13:30:14 <lysobit> actually, my particular point doesn't stand as there is the "Accept-Encoding" header for that
13:33:16 <lysobit> err
13:33:24 <lysobit> Accept-Charset*
13:33:53 <joepie91> yes, that's why I pointed out the difference between transfer encoding and document encoding :P
13:39:36 * cayce waves
13:40:11 <cayce> hi-oh joepie91 :D
13:44:03 <joepie91> ohai
13:47:00 * cayce furiously noms
13:59:24 <joepie91>
13:59:27 <joepie91> hmm, I wonder...
13:59:28 <joepie91> .title
13:59:29 <botpie91> joepie91: BBC News - Facebook to compensate users for sharing details on ads
13:59:32 <joepie91> oh, neat
13:59:37 <joepie91> and this?
13:59:40 <joepie91>
13:59:41 <joepie91> .title
13:59:42 <botpie91> joepie91: Google
13:59:44 <joepie91> oh, huh
13:59:53 <joepie91> phenny functionality is more similar to yoleaux than I thought
14:00:50 <cayce> yolo?
14:01:05 <cayce> that's... yolo.
14:01:08 <cayce> wat
14:01:26 <MK_FG> yolo
14:01:37 <MK_FG> There is no wat :P
14:01:45 <cayce> >_>
14:01:52 * cayce sprints to school
14:02:45 <MK_FG> I wonder how bad it'd be if people now start going after such ad-compensations
14:03:06 <MK_FG> It'd be like your friends trying to ad you junk? wtf ;)
14:03:38 <MK_FG> It's like the most horrible thing imaginable in social interaction
14:03:38 <joepie91> cayce: yoleaux is a bot
14:03:39 <joepie91> :P
14:03:44 <joepie91> derivative-ish of phenny
14:03:58 <joepie91> I'm sure dpk will be able to explain the exact situation and history of yoleaux :)
14:03:59 <MK_FG> It's a damn cool nick
14:04:19 <dpk> hehe
14:04:34 <dpk> sbp, the author of phenny, decided to stop maintaining it. so i made yoleaux
14:05:19 <MK_FG> Whoa, I thought everyone always wrote irc bots from scratch
14:05:35 <dpk> well, i did
14:05:45 <MK_FG> Ah, balance restored
14:05:49 <dpk> except i made yoleaux specifically for the purpose of being a phenny clone
14:05:58 <MK_FG> Hahah
14:06:11 <MK_FG> That's awesome confirmation of that rule ;)
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15:02:41 <joepie91> MK_FG: to be fair, I do actually use phenny instead of a self-made bot :)
15:02:49 <joepie91> so the rule doesn't *always* hold up!
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15:13:59 <joepie91> grrr
15:21:41 <MK_FG> I'd say it's that "exception that proves the rule" case, as it seem to always fall off the edge of teh irc, if you're referring to loggy :P
15:22:06 <joepie91> MK_FG: no, refering to botpie91 actually
15:22:20 <joepie91> botpie91, help
15:22:21 <botpie91> joepie91: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see for more general details. My owner is joepie91.
15:22:24 <joepie91> botpie91, version
15:22:30 <joepie91> botpie91, info
15:22:31 <joepie91> .version
15:22:32 <joepie91> .info
15:22:35 <MK_FG> Ah, I have it banned locally
15:22:35 <joepie91> anything?
15:22:40 <joepie91> wat
15:22:50 <MK_FG> I'm a bot-ist
15:22:56 <MK_FG> (as in "race-ist")
15:23:28 <MK_FG> Don't generally like other people's bots grabbing precious bits of attention :)
15:23:43 <joepie91> ah
15:23:48 <MK_FG> So tend to ban them unless they spam something useful always
15:23:48 <joepie91> well, it's not abusive in here :P
15:23:58 <joepie91> .bitcoin
15:23:59 <botpie91> 1 BTC = $118.39, 1 BTC = €95.00
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16:01:08 <Cryto042> cool all on board
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16:16:35 <joepie91> hai Cryto042, I am about to sleep, but welcome to #crytocc, please read the channel topic, and please be aware that this channel is publically logged
16:17:00 <joepie91> you can prefix messages with [off] to hide them from the public logs, but this may not stop third-party logbots etc. etc.
16:17:08 <joepie91> (happy now, dpk? :P)
16:17:24 <dpk> PUBLICALLY!!
16:17:25 <dpk> yay
16:17:29 <dpk> thx, etc.
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16:19:44 <joepie91> now
16:19:46 <joepie91> time for sleeps
16:19:49 <joepie91> goodnight all
16:34:22 <Cryto042> i just woke up guys
16:34:48 <Cryto042> any real programmers here that is knoledgeable with back-track exploits
17:05:29 <Cryto042> talk to me
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19:14:04 <iceTwy> ah
19:14:09 <iceTwy> just when I wanted to talk to joepie91
19:14:11 <iceTwy> there he times out
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19:17:17 <ilikeapricot> iceTwy: his jabber is
19:17:32 <iceTwy> ikr
19:17:36 <iceTwy> but he's back
19:17:38 <iceTwy> ping joepie91
19:17:45 <ilikeapricot> hes afk
19:17:49 <iceTwy> ah
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20:23:21 <iceTwy> lol, nice, Ari
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22:34:41 <cayce> piff
23:29:32 <iceTwy> alright lol
23:33:01 <iceTwy> also
23:33:03 <iceTwy> excellent
23:33:08 <iceTwy> how2email in 3 images
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